Battle of the baggers! Road Glide vs. Challenger
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2022
- My thoughts on the Indian Challenger vs. Harley Davidson Road Glide.
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The right bag on that Challenger is not connected on the front inside bolt and needs to be fixed. They do not move that much.
The rear pegs are not OEM, they're aftermarket.
I'll give you the plastic comments.
The Challenger does have adjustable vents, again research before video.
Firm up the suspension on the Challenger if you need to - it'd way easier than on the HD (research).
The 2into1 on the Challengers sound sick. Just saying.
Really, you don't know if it's belt driven or not. Come'on man..
The RPMs are coming up fast and "you have to shift fast" because it revs much faster (shorter stroke). Not a bad thing.
I do also agree with fit and finish being better on the HD. Hopefully Indian improves that.
Some people who like Harleys will never even consider anything else, and good for you as a Harley salesman in that respect. At least you rode one, although I think you already knew what your review was before you started. HDs are my second favorite brand and I'd love to add one to the garage, but despite the Challengers short comings in "fit and finish" it is by far the most fun, reliable and comfortable bike I've ever owned.
Both bags seem to be the same. I tried to make sure they were fully closed before yanking on them. I'm not sure if the Indian exhaust was stock or not. Indian is a nice bike I get why people like them
@@motoblend9923 Then they are both broke or need to be adjusted. They don't normally do that. That bike has likely been abused or maintained by an idiot. And BTW, did you throw dirt on it prior to your review? Damn, at least wipe it down a little.
Suspension way better in the Indian. Harley upgrade suspension at least a grand and it still won’t be as good as the Indian
I love the Road Glide!! But Dollar for dollar the Indian is better.
I call bull. Lock the bags down properly then try that. Challenger all the way! Faster , more power,
Heyo, I also have done this comparison on my channel...recently. I don't get into a big huff about which bike is better or not however, for the price IMO, the Indian Challenger hands-down is and was my choice. I think the Indian is a more complete package in what you get for your money. HD is IMO too retro and there are too many things that I would have to change right out of the box to make the bike comfortable which also makes the bike much more expensive. Since the RG shares the same frame with the SG it turns good too however, there is not a big enough difference in real-world driving to sway my choice away from the Indian. Nice presentation of your thoughts, people ride what they wanna ride and there is nothing wrong with that. Competition between the brands is good for progress.
I agree and people got upset I said the indian was more cheap feeling and plastic. I was just being honest. The bike looks cool and rides great. I'm just not a fan of the feel and fit/ finish of the bike.
@@motoblend9923 I hear ya lol, I tell my HD friends the same thing about their bikes…there is no winning🤣
You said it best Finesse💯
Personally i prefer the Harley, back in fall of 2021 I was looking for a new touring bike and thought id keep an open mind, to be fair i have owned Victory, Indian & Harley. I liked the liquid cooled engine on the Indian and i did like the low centre of gravity but thats where it ended, i found once on the bike it had that same disappointing feeling like you have when you get into a new Toyota, it just had that cheap plastic feel and pieced together with plastic, probably produced cheaper but sold for the same price.
I did look at the Chieftain but i could not get over that stupid looking dash, i fell like johnny 5 from the movie Short Circuit was looking at me while i was driving, very poor design for a dash and very plastic, just like a Toyota.
I ended up buying a 2021 Street Glide and while i know its not perfect out of the box, part of the fun of owning a Harley is the ability to personalize it anyway you want, ive replaced the seat, bars, shocks, lights, doing a stage 2 over this winter and several other things, but its personalized to me.
Lol, this is the most ridiculous and transparently biased review I’ve watched to date. When deciding to buy a bike, I looked at the RG and the Challenger. Even though the bikes weigh the same, the RG was top heavy. To say the Challenger isn’t well-balanced is way off the mark. The suspension of the Indian is much better, you can’t even try to deny that. As for torque, both bikes have a good amount. But there is a huge disparity in HP, winner being the Indian. The HP is what you need when you want to pass a vehicle on the highway while doing 70mph. On the Indian while in 6th, just twist and go. No need to start dumping gears. And the bags on my Challenger don’t move like that, don’t know what you’ve done to that bike. The Indian does have adjustable vents in the fairing and a belt drive. Come on dude. If you love HD, that’s cool. I love Road Glides too. But the Challenger is so much better than a Road Glide in nearly every way, it just comes down to personal preference.
I said the same thing. Torque means nothing without horsepower. Nobody has ever drove a semi and said, “whooo”! But I’ve seen people jump out a corvette with a huge smile on their face.
Yes this dude has lost his mind.....like you said it's okay to like HD! BUT don't lie about the Indian. Indian has much more lower power then HD. HD has to spend big money to get their bikes to move.
Worst comparison ever. Total fanboy and I don't own any except a crotch rocket. From what I hear you would be able to replace all the plastic pieces for far less with all the money you will save staying out of the mechanic as oppose to the the HD.
I have the INDIAN PURSUIT DARKHORSE PREMIUM and it's the best bike out there. It's definitely better then the HD. It's got great power and awesome technology.
I will take the Indian anytime 👍
Indian gear driven primary, last forever no adjustment. Harley primary, chain, needs adjustment. Three oils to change on the Harley, one on the Indian.
The bag has been abused. Just tighten the stupid screw
Everyone keeps saying that but both bags were like that, I couldn't find the screw that wouldn't make them flex like this.
@@motoblend9923 The bag wasn't fit to the brace mounts on the exhaust properly... causing the movement. Loosen both mounting fasteners, firmly press down on the bag while tightening the bolts. This will insure 4-points of contact (little to no movement) instead of 2 (like the bike in your video). The holes in the bags are slotted, allowing for adjustment depending on exhaust system. If the rear tire was ever replaced, the bags were most likely not reinstalled properly.
Tuned and exhaust challenger smokes RGs. Not even close.
Those are aftermarket Kuryakyn passenger mini boards on that Indian. They just need to be tightened down. I have those on my bike and they are solid, no movement, no rattle.
Dudes a Harley fan boy for sure he has to come up with extra stuff to say to give Harley the edge
It’s your money, get what YOU want. Have fun spending a lot more to “make it your own”.
I agree. Both are cool bikes.
The saddle bags on the challenger are not latched all the way, the covers are meant to pop off without tools to access the fuse panel and adjustable rear shock. The windshield on the challenger is awesome I can drink a water at 95mph with it adjusted right. Not mention the performance is night and day difference. Those rear pegs are aftermarket on the indian. The indian doesn't vibrate so all those pieces don't move around while riding. The indian has twice the suspension travel front and back. The indian also makes more hp and torque. You don't understand the sounds of a liquid cooled overhead cam engine. A stage 2 107 Harley is still way slower then the challenger with slip-ons.
Everyone keeps saying that, but I made sure they were both fully closed and both bags were just as flimsy. My 114 with a cam will smoke an Indian all day. Indian was a cool bike and fun to ride. I'm just being honest I don't like how cheap it feels. Other than that, cool bike.
I checked the bags myself they are flimsy he is telling the truth they were tight but the plastic on the challenger is flimsy
@@motoblend9923 You willing to put money on a race? I've got a Challenger, and I'm willing to give it a go - win or lose... would make a good video for sure. What specific mods are done to the 114ci M8?
@@motoblend9923 so stock 114 will not bet a stock 108 you have to spend about $1500 or more on cams to smoke it lol
@@motoblend9923 that’s a damn lie. A 114 with stage 2 cams only makes maybe 90hp LOL. How about racing one vs assuming.
I’m not sure if you have ever ridden a sportbike. But plastic is way more expensive than chrome. Especially those side skirts. Those panels are supposed to pop open for access to engine components. By the way, that Indian is stock with a far superior suspension. The HD has been modified and still doesn’t perform like the Indian does.
A biased video here. It’s either your choosing looks or form and function. The Indian has inverted forks, adjustable windshield, rider modes, liquid cooled overhead cam, gear primary. belt secondary opposite side drives. Only one oil to change. Superior suspension no need to spend a couple grand more for better suspension like HD. HD advantage more dealerships. All things the Indian offers are a big plus to me. But to each his own. Freedom of choice. HD finally figured out they could make more power by using a 4 valve head. Something Victory was already doing. Indian is dominating the bagger races with a smaller motor than HD is using.
Cheap plastic flimsy
Well you made that take 5 min for me. Looks like I'm buying another harley. Thanks!!!
Not fare review. You have one sided view.
Absolutely it’s one sided. You can tell it in his tone of voice. I think he was denied credit through Indian. Lol😂
@@enriqueamar1964 He is employed at a Harley dealership...
A Harley salesman and employee given the honest review lol😂
You said you like the Harley compartments better while you had to use two hands to use it
I appreciate both bikes, but this was not an honest review. It was extremely biased.
Please take the time to learn about the bikes you’re reviewing you did neither bikes any justice. Also sounds like you really like the Indian more than the Harley but you can’t say that because you sell them. And your really grasping for attention.
I definitely do not like the Indian more than the Harley. I've taken the time to ride and give thoughts on both. It's not a deep dive. Plenty of other videos have done that
Right!? He knew absolutely nothing about the Challenger. If I wanted a review like this I would have asked my grandmother for her opinion.
@@motoblend9923 look at how much you love riding the challenger way more than the Harley and you seem to be impressed with the power of the Indian 😊
"Jank"? What the hell is jank? I had to google it and read, " jank or jahnk can literally mean anything, yet means nothing on its own." Kind of sums up this video. Love how you grabbed the side cover and said "look at that, pops right out of there" when in fact, it's supposed to! LOL! Take both bikes for a ride, hitting them hard on the highway and slow speed maneuvers, then park and move the bikes side to side to feel the weight distribution and then give us your feedback. The Challenger wins hands down.
Personally, this entire video and commentary is pure jank.
I would much prefer a comparison with new bikes. When reviewing used bikes there is a larger margin to consider because some people don’t keep up with maintenance which is evident on the Indian. Both bikes are great rides. The biggest plus for me would be the water cooled engine. Indian is more rider friendly ie power windshield, code keypad on the infotainment screen, power locks, 3 different ride modes and adjustable Fox suspension from the touchscreen on the Pursuit. HD hold s big plus in the amount of dealers all over the country so if you have problems along the road. In my experience riding with friends when I had my Chieftain they HD always needed a dealer because someone always had a problem. Also you are comparing a Limited to a Challenger a more fair comparison is a Pursuit vs a Limited. My bags never did that but my RGS opened up in a big bump in TN! I have had more warranty issues with my RGS. My RGS is more nimble in the turns than my Chieftain but frame vs fork mounted fairing so not a fair comparison. So there is plastic…all bikes have that to help keep the weight down which I would think it’s also less expensive to replace if damaged. The side corner panels are plastic on both. I didn’t have to take the left bag off to adjust the shock on my Chieftain with just the side panel which was faster ands easier than my RGS. Point is there are +/- to both. Both are great bikes. One thing I have never heard from the local Indian dealer was negative comments about HD or any other brand. They encourage customers to go ride all bikes before they decide what they want!
Also, regarding the head buffeting, one is just as bad as the other! I have always gotten a lot of wind buffering without lower fairings. You also did not talk about the real time traffic and weather overlay on the Ride Command mapping system. Another point pretty much all stock exhaust sucks which is why we all upgrade that pretty quickly. When you talk about the space in the faring storage pockets a RG isn’t gonna fit anything bigger than the phone you have either I have a regular iPhone 13 and it doesn’t have much room in there. Also the doors are not a gloss black because that’s a Darkhorse they’re all in matte paint so why would they put gloss on a matte bike. You also refer to the chrome on the speakers I have a blacked out RHS and it has chrome basils around the gauges and came stock with a chrome kickstand again it’s a mute point they both come with chrome stuff on a blacked out bike!
I don't have access to both bikes brand new I work with what I have. I was being honest about both bikes. Indian looks cool and has nice power. Other than that it feels plastic and cheap. I always encourage customers to ride the other bikes and no hard feelings if they like another brand/bike better. I wasn't being negative about the bike at all I was simply giving my honest feedback. The infotainment is better, it has more power, etc. However I truly do believe the Harley is built better. No matter what you do to a liquid cooled bike it will never sound as good as an air cooled. Harley or not. I gave honest opinions on both just being real about my thoughts. Not being a hater at all.
@@motoblend9923 you do have access there’s an Indian dealer a mile down the road. They’ll let you take it out for a long test drive and they don’t go with you on a little 3 mile route. I never said you were being negative I’m just pointing out some other positive factors being that I have owned both. Both have high points and low points and let’s not forget to point out the price points on both. I can get a fully loaded Pursuit limited for about the same as I paid for my RGS in Snake Venom. From the factory they come with full LED lights which is another thing the customer won’t have to change out when you get a bike. As far as the Challenger/Pursuit headlight I prefer the road glide. In the end it’s just personal preference. You don’t like the suspension I like having a Cadillac suspension I’m older than you things hurt after a long ride. That’s why It’s best to have many things to choose from, everyone has different, have different wants and needs and it pushes manufacturers to build better machines and not be complacent.
Tell Joe I sent you in there.
I feel 100% the Indian had to be more lax on body panels and materials due to how much is spent on performance. Inverted forks, brembo brakes, braided lines, fox rear shock, forged aluminum frame. All of that with the 124hp/124tq make is a serious monster at its price.
I'll always admire the finish on an HD, but with corners and speed being a factor, the Challenger is exactly what it's name entails. Pure performance, even if other sacrifices had to be made.
No excuse for being lax on body pannels. Feels cheap and flimsy
What year model are both of these bikes?
You're gonna pull a muscle with all that reachin... ;) You just like Harley better, thats preference mang. Nothing wrong with that. Buy what you like.
I may trade my 2019 Chieftain (Not classic) next spring for a new Street glide ST or Challenger Dark horse. I dream of buying a Street glide ST with an electric windshield, a 4" travel mono shock suspension sitting in a rigid aluminum frame and a modern engine like the Revolution Max but "Hellas" Harley beans counter engineer are stocked in the past dealing with their gigantic recall list. That's why my only option is a Challenger with its crappy fit+finish and vacuum cleaner pipe sound... Ok I push a bit 🤣
Buy a lowrider ST that's the best bike Harley makes
Different strokes for different folks. If you hold looks and quality of feel over performance, ride, technology, and handling, then get the RGS. But for them to be competitively priced to each other, one has to lack somewhere
I wouldn't say the tech, handling or ride were any better on the Indian
@@motoblend9923 Air cooled tech automatically gets points deducted.
You know what is the funny thing is? This ignorant type of people would call the plastic on thier guns "polymer" while it becomes plastic on cars, motorcycles etc. *IT'S THE SAME MATERIAL PEOPLE*
You’re a Harley fan boy! The road glide is outdated,slow & still air cooled…Dinosaur!!
Next time compare the indian pursuit to the roadglide both are touring
This clown didn't mention the adjustable windscreen....then he admit he works for Harley
I see at least 100 or more harleys before seeing one Indian , the last time I saw an Indian four of them clogging up the fast lane on my way to Tampa .They just stayed their going slow a thousand cars had to go out of their way to pass them ,not to mention they where causing a minor traffic jam. motorcycle are cool Indian guys not so much
Harley seems a lot slower.
I agree 100% . The Indian is a great bike but It just looks like a cheap plastic bike.
As far as v twin sound nothing is going to sound like a Harley its a 45 degree crank. So basically it gallups. The closest lve heard to a Harley was Kawasaki had a big twin l think it had a 48 degree crank. HD tried to sue them with no luck.
Harley Employee for sure Lol
I owned an Indian in 2016 and traded it in for a Harley. The Indian was great performance wise but the quality and fit and finish is horrible.
Indian is way more Superior machine ! Hands down . While an Indian will run at 209 degrees when the fan kicks on the HARDLY WILL ROAST TO 300 degrees torching the rider and all its engine components!
Those are 2 privately owned bikes. You can't judge a product on that lol. Maybe the owner is a dumbass and doesn't take care of it.
I do agree that HD makes higher quality bike from the aesthetic pov, but the problema i have with them is the old engine, no tech on it, absolutely disgusting suspensions, no inverted forks and lack of power compared to the Challenger.
Aesthetically I would but a RG. Mechanically I would but Challenger.
The challenger would dog walk the Harley in a race. 😂
Indians way better.
Coming from decades of Harleys, including a 2019 Softail (last), the Indian Challenger Elite I now own is so far ahead (delivered stock), comparing them isn’t even fair. The Indian handles and performs better in almost every meaningful way. Harley has the odd “maturity” lead, like turn signal off properly….that ain’t improving my ride though. This video presents a ridiculous perspective comparison. I still love Harley…and I’m about to buy another Softail (‘89, carb!!), but seriously, this lacks credibility.
And Harleys sound the way they do because they use outdated tech and pushrods.
Now do a test on the Vietnamese-made Nightster handlebars. American made...🤣🤣🤣
My wife owns one. Would eat a scout for breakfast
@@motoblend9923 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 [inhales deeply] 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@motoblend9923 A Nightster faster than a Scout? No way in hell. Maybe faster that the Scout 60, but not the 69. My wife owns a Scout Rogue and we rode both back to back while at Sturgis this year. The Nighster is sooo much slower. The Sportster S is another story. That thing is fast AF.
@@mickcatheya nightster faster then a scout(69) 😂. I can probly get a few scout guys in his area to get that on film for him. 😂😂😂😂 This dude needs to lay off the HD fumes. The scout 69 will beat a 114 stock vs stock. Like you stated the Sportster S is different story and kind of in its own category, and ugly imo. I was pumped when I heard the leaks then the bike was released and it was a bit upsetting. So I got a Scout Bobber twenty.
@Jason P Yeah @MotoBlend knows absolutely nothing about Indian motorcycles. This "review" was a joke. As a Harley salesman you'd think he'd know something about the competition.
I rode a challenger and was underwhelmed. Ended up with a road glide limited. I do like the new persuit too.
The fairing doors that won’t stay open on the Harley without 2 hands is easier to operate? Damn bro that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Bet you think Glock is the best outta the box pistol in the world, then you spend boatloads to upgrade it… HD is Dope Indian Challenger is dope. Your review is HD fanboy trash…
P.S. just tighten the aftermarket passenger pegs, and they won’t wobble anymore…
We get it you like Harley’s ha ha, my saddlebag lid does not move at all on my challenger, but too each their own
both bags moved quite a bit
Just saying something is not right then, if they moved like that I would not have bought one lol
The bag wasn't fit to the brace mounts on the exhaust properly... causing the movement. Loosen both mounting fasteners, firmly press down on the bag while tightening the bolts. This will insure 4-points of contact (little to no movement) instead of 2 (like the bike in your video). The holes in the bags are slotted, allowing for adjustment depending on exhaust system. If the rear tire was ever replaced, the bags were most likely not reinstalled properly.
Hater doofison is 2nd to Indian Challenger as far as performance , speed and looks. HD’s are loud and slow , just like a riding lawn mower with out a muffler. Indian is a far better build. Your just pissed because Indian Challenger out runs hardly a bike doofison
I'm good on Polaris. Sounds like a lawnmower no matter what you do to motor/exhaust.
Harley junk and slow
come on , flat black vs. painted wtf.
compare the Indians with color. all parts equal on the plastic.
and all this came from a Harley salesman. lmao
It is plastic lol
Man are you clueless!!!
Good video
Thanks man! 🔥👊
The Indian will smoke that Harley through the whole range. Let’s be real. The Indian rides and performs way over the Harley. Fit and finish? Really, are you stupid? The Harley has no sculpted parts on it. It is a frame with parts plopped on it. Just look at your gauges and screen that is not ergonomic. The paint jobs on Harleys is not what it used to be. My twenty one year old Harley has far above what you can buy today.
I disagree I think the Harley has the Indian beat off the line. I don't think it rides any better than the Harley. It has a little more top end for sure but not like an insane amount. I prefer the guages and the screen on the Harleys.
@@motoblend9923 That is not what all my RG buddies say when they get on the Challenger. I have a Victory that sits right next to my XL1200S and the ride and engineering are like night and day. Polaris took the V-Twin and turned it into what a Harley should be with bore and stroke to deliver the most power. I have ridden Honda V-twins and they feel mushy but then again so do the batwing fairing Harleys compared to the sportster. Fit and finish? I never really paid much attention to it until I bought the Polaris product and sat it next to the Harley. I understand the plastic moldings that make the design flow from front to back. The matte paint against a black frame and engine with just the right amount of metallic flake in the paint that makes it still a matte finish without being shiny. I was really disappointed in the paint on new Harley's. My 22 year old paint is better than buddies 2022 SG. I did not have the heart to tell him. I can see my teeth to this day on my bike's finish.
So U like Harley’s period. I have owned 5 new Harley’s traded for Indian Challenger no regrets. Ride power no refreshing the back cylinder’s anymore my bike before the m8 I only had 7K on it and had to go through engine cost me 3k no thank you