The thing is you have to change your perception to play the Vodyani effectivly... They're not so much an empire that you build up and expand; they're more like a massive army that you upgrade and conquer with. Systems and planets aren't where you build your base, they're just where you camp your army.
After Picking up Horatio I have come to believe that people undervalue food and its effect on the game. Food is incredibly important for the vodyani. Its main use is for manpower. Almost everything the vodyani dose requires manpower in large amounts. A lack of manpower means undefended systems and weaker ships. Despite their power Arks are notoriously easy to get around. Winning a ground invasion destroys an ark, as dose retreating an ark, Influence conversion also destroys the ark and if push comes to shove you can always swarm it with 30 craver ships or anything Frigate level or higher and easily take one down. Because of the Arks many faults you need troops to fill and defend systems and fill ships to defend arks. Without that food Vodyani become highly dependent on Minor factions for their manpower. Minor factions are difficult to defend due to the attrition from constant pirate attacks and with out them your stuck wasting valuable essence on manpower. I also noticed that you appear focused on killing Zoltan. Wouldn't It be a better idea to farm essence off of him since he cant fight back? You could have grown your population and expanded to better fight the cravers. You could have also begun harvesting the empire ships for science and other resources to further boost yourself. If your having influence shortages there is an ark module that gives 10 influence that helps a lot more than it sounds. If you do get a bad start there is an ark module that gives 10 essence a turn which is better than nothing. You can also double down on food to grow your pop and force the ecologist party into power for hardship ready allowing you to exploit the whole system. From there build scouts to probe everything, markets to sell everything you find and start building up and using alms when ever you can. That should get you enough essence to get started until you find some one to leech off of. It isn't the fastest but it is better than being at a stand still.
Your comment was far more inciteful than the uploader's video. Thanks as it helped me a lot for my Vodyani playthrough as well as a couple others against them.
When i hit a really bad start, way to go is wait for first mission at turn 5 on Normal speed maps. This gives you the exact location of the 2 Pirates nearby. This if you can't find a minor or major faction by probing at turn 1-4 .. gives you a chance to attach your Lechers to the Pirate Based. You will need to use your ark to push the force back w/ the support of the scout and hero. -- Blockade -- at the pirate planet and suck em dry :D. Turn 10 you will have enough for a 2nd Pop on your Ark. Durning this time.. find a decent system w/ at least 2 planets on it and chill and build up. If you don't have a good start, your on the Defense for 1/3 part of the game until you get to build up. Every Arch.. the building you build Travel w/ you i was afraid that you have to rebuild each time. --- What your looking for is a tight Cluster of planets 3-5 planets that can fit inside a Economic Influence Ring so all your planets can get bonuses from the Juggernauts. On the topic of Horatio... yes food is king, i respect it moreso now w/ the other races a heck of alot more.
I had been struggling so much with the Vodyani, I put too much emphasis on protecting my Arks, It never occurred to me to actually weaponize it and send it barrelling towards an enemy capital, that's just dirty,devious and brilliant!
This video is pretty outdated so that many of the points are no longer valid. Ark ships are not the combat behemoths they once were as they no longer have quad mounts to start. They build up as you level them up. They still have a ton of hp, but struggle to kill even basic enemy ships, especially with the default missiles. As most early pirates have kinetics you won't be able to hurt them. They do make great siege ships given a troop upgrade but the issue with manpower still holds. Still, if you are clueless how to play Vodyanithen you can still watch this for some general pointers.
If you play with Pirate Ships are in general strong. Without i suggest to play not to aggressive and building Ships as much you can. The Key to build the Vodiany is they have to grow by themselve. Do not build People on Ark. Focus on buildings and then build ships. You have to harvest as much essence from minors civs as possible.
One of the things you can do to offset an awful start is to equip the first Ark with essence (not leecher) modules. If I haven't found anywhere to get essence by ~5, this is the usual plan. It's nowhere near as good as actually leeching, and costs you 10 dust and science p/t (if you replace the modules), plus the initial dust cost, but it's better than nothing. Totally agree with the overall sentiment of the video. Vodyani are just too map/start dependent. I do think playing that aggressively with your second Ark early on has the potential to seriously mess up your mid-late game due to lack of infrastructure. As a comparison, an early Craver fleet is comparably scary that early in the game (not necessarily in terms of overall ship stats, but in terms of equal potential to wipe you out) and there is an actual gain - a newly conquered colony. A few investments in system defense tech (I know you guys don't like using them so much) can stop any early invasions, or draw them out so long that it's really not worth the investment.
Still new to the game... I was clueless as to play Vodyani after 5 different starts and came over here to realize i was doing everything possibly wrong. Thx for all the help.
Good to know it's not just me when I get confused and frustrated because of people saying the Vodyani are broken while I'm getting my rear handed to me playing as them, apparently mostly because I've had an unlucky start every time.
most recent patch nerfed the vodyani skill. its 2 fids per pop on planets in system and 0.5 fids if the hero is the political leader. edit: also they changed up some laws and added some I guess, that one religious law that made it so only your starting pop grow was changed to help in essence production, toys for boys hits your industry instead of your science now, super tax act hits happiness more I think now, is -20 bigger than it was? also they added the food equivalent of the super tax act im pretty sure.
Why are leecher units stoping harvesting from time to time? e.g. you need to manually put them commanding to reharvesting afterwards manually in the next round (which is quite annoying and surprising to me) is there are ingame relevant factor which leads you to end harvesting?
ma kari I once saw why as it haapened. You technically reduce the population to zero by driving their fidsi to the negatives. You can't leech from 0 pop, and it automatically stops.
Because the population of the planet gets drained to zero. It usually doesn't happen on systems that are well developed because the pops reset faster than you can drain them, thus allowing you to pretty much leech essence indefinitely, but it happens a lot on minor faction systems.
Hey 4X Alchemist, been going over pretty much all your ES2 content recently and I have to say I'm really enjoying, especially the 1-30 guides. I'm curious though, cause I never see you prioritizing Drone Network, which I thought was a pretty solid first build in any system as it gives +industry for lower cost than the other +industry from research, as well as +food for faster pop growth, which I thought would make it pay for itself over the course of rather few turns. What's your thought process for not picking this up early?
DamnSpiders666 when this was recorded, drone networks were really bad. The xeno infrastucture is just so much better. In the best case it gives +30 industry.. Drone networks were buffed tho, so its pretty much the best thing to build at the start now
Thanks for the reply, I just recently got into the game so I haven't seen all the changes. Can we expect more ES2 content from you guys? Would love to see what you can make of The Vaulters, and/or more of you guys facing off against each other :D
Is that starting power chart at the beginning coming from somewhere official, or based on some experimentation or data mining? Or is that just your general impression of how the races' starts pan out based on experience? If it's the former would be great to have a link :D
Just a thing we put together based upon our experience with all the races so far. Nothing official, just an graphic to illustrate the point about the different races.
Love your videos. Thanks. What does it mean when my Leecher keeps absorbing all of the population on a minor civ and dropping my Essence absorption to zero? I feel like I'm missing something.
I wonder before you invaded the hostile empire, where was his fleet at all? in the whole game you only fought vs reavers, and could you please explain more about manpower mechanics pls?
@4Xalchemist whats the best strategy to use as voidyani when you start next to cravers? i'd assume its to use arks to early rush cravers and starve them out before they can expand.
On bad Starts getting your Pop first... and also making the hero a governor of the system really helps.... I don't think getting more arch's is the play sir.
Perhaps a bit boring to guarantee the same system exactly, but it wouldn't be too bad to guarantee at least 2 colonizable planets, I would think. The other thing is neighbors. Vodyani really struggle without having a convenient civilization to leech off of, and if they get gobbled up quickly by another civ or are just too far off, you might find yourself kinda drifting while other civs would have an easier time ramping up.
I don't think you can just upgrade your ship design and get another probe anymore and they fixed the Vidyani hero skill 'Infallible Authority'. It's only +0.5 now because of you.
1:02:50 exactly. I think the difference is very interesting. I know that the new patch (as a mod for now) is changing some behaviours of the Vodyani. It is strange however, form seeing your Graph, that all the other races have a spike somewhere. The Vodyani are completely different. But i sense in this playthrough that there is more a sense of ' whatever' with the Vodyani. So maybe your mind is set up, before you actually started it up. I myself, like the Vodyani, that they struggle, or are very beneficial. It will be patched at a certain degree i am sure (as for the G2G mod, there are some major changes to the race) . This Video is a bit sloppy, in the other videos, not so many mistakes, or ' whatevers' occurred. Question: Does it really depend on the system you are getting, and if there is a minor civ in the neighbourhood? Regards, K
1 year later and instead of meticulous balancing for Vodyani, most of their faction stuff was just plain nerfed by at least 50%. Pop bonus went from 8 to 4, fleet dmg from 40% to 20%, Infallible authority absolutely nerfed to the ground thrice over.... at least the fleet speed went from 8 'only' to 6. With the game being extremely RNG, 95% games I start I either have only 1 planet, or no minor civ in reasonable range, or both. I've yet to have a good enough start to compensate a bit for all the nerfs. Hell, by turn ~50 I'm at 50% of the score of the other races even on normal difficulty with a rather good start (2 planets, t+h deposits and 2 luxuries in start system, Tor and Minor Civ 2 and 3 hyperlanes away respectively. PS: if you got to the game late, like me, most of these guides are so outdated you'll want to cry as all the convenient shortcuts for early game have been nerfed and no longer work
I could not count how many times I had to reset to get a decent 5-10 turn to match even a 10th of your first gameplay... all I got was bad Yani games with no minor civs in a connected lane fml. Great expert guide, though!
They rebalanced them and they are basically trash now. Atleast from what I have seen. The Arks are now 190~ starting attack instead of 2000~ and they take up a bit more food along with other changes.
Infallible Authority has been nerfed to the ground at some point between now and this video sadly. Seems like the Vodyani have been nerfed in general at some point.
Build science to expand your mind. Discover that thinking is for nerds. Focus your thoughts on guns and ships. Laugh at the argosy as it tries to keep up with your military occupying planets.
Personally I like the Vodyani as they are. Yes, they start out iffy, being system dependant, but there is a reason you chose to ban their use in your PvP game, the very reason they play so well in an experts hands, the FIDSI power up in late game. If you can survive long enough then you become a viable competitor, if you get caught out its game over, sucks for you. There is no need to change them whatsoever, they are the ultimate challenge race and not meant be cookie-cutter, like all the other major civs. Just look at that power curve telemetry you displayed. The rule is simple, kill them early, or face a true challenge. The ultimate for me though is a powered up Vodyani vs Craver collision! Man!! That's a pure masterpiece of conflict!! The Cravers are your balance civ once the Yani power up, but until then, the Yani are cannon fodder. Changing their boost would make the completely unplayable and useless to the game, which would suck loss of interest in future titles would be immediate.
seeing the first game next to that brutal fail was something. maybe if you have such a bad start make the hero a gov and make his shit good with the one scout and thats enough to kill pirates and get him to lvl 6ish 8 and that should have kept you from being turn 15 with nothing
I did a similar strategy versus Lumeris (They conscripted every single time), also I was attacking with 40 tanks VS ONLY their "Conscripted infantry". And it was Minor Defeat or Draw every turn. Kept pulling back the Ark to replenish man power after two attacks. I kept hero fleet to make sure his Manpower never went above 0. Basically you have to whittle them to NO population in order for them not to have conscription option. Still don't know why tanks kept losing to infantry and LESS INFANTRY at that. And come to think of it, infantry who were being forced to fight. HUGE GAME FLAW!!
Pikachu keep donig it maybe build a little up but stay small and dont loose your momentum, the vodyani are perfect for supermacy victory if you do your exploration well you can win about turn ~100-150 on medium galaxy size with 5 ais on nearly any difficulty.
Vodyani seems like a scaling race. the OP bonuses look like they are to make them viable late game even if they got a crappy start and let them snowball late game if they got a strong start.
This is not actually the worst start... Worst start that happend to me, was in full chaotic and random, I spawned in a dead end, with a Fallen right in front of me, no systems around to free warp to, pirates at turn 5, and only 2 accessible planets out of my 3 planets starting system.
@@stupid_tree7158 i picked the game up like a week ago. At first they were the most annoying race to me to encounter as an AI. "Who the fuck is this 'church lady' and why does she keep asking me for money wtf". After few more games and trying out all other races i have access to i was like "eh, let's give it a shot". Never have i been so confused starting a game. It was a game with my friend and few AIs and i basically spent like 20 something turns just fiddling around not knowing wtf i should do with my Ark, should i move it, should i guard the original system, should rush a lot of population etc. After watching the video i feel like at least i understand the point of the race now but im still very confused as to how "dominate" with them like you're saying. Im gonna mention that we usually play in Large Galaxy with around 6 competitors. Is it just too little players in game for vodyani to be playable? (as in, major civs are gonna be too far apart for you to prosper) I know ur comment is 9 months late but any tips will be welcome lol
I don't have the time for a two hour video, so I'm going to see if I can gather a general impression from the comment section Edit: Necromonger's, got it
P.S. I hate when content providers use their platform to get things nerfed without considering how others play the game because they don't have the skill level to overcome what they consider an unfair advantage in a title. Any civ can be beaten if you practice against them enough times, this is proven in ALL strategy titles. Unsubscribed....
Yeah this is probably one on the worse content creators I've found on the platform when it comes to arrogantly spouting out misinformation and being wrong about most of it.
Man you are really bad at this :D Also most of your advise on the matter is wrong. And as always, just because you can't play against or with something, doesn't mean it's overpowered.
Lmao. I see the Vodyani have been nerfed into the ground. Arks are only as good as a couple of beginner ships now and half the modules you start with now need research. They also fixed the hero ability. It's now 1 FIDSI per population on system and 0.5 on senate. I started a playthrough so I found this guide but I guess I'm gonna give up. An extremely boring faction.
The thing is you have to change your perception to play the Vodyani effectivly... They're not so much an empire that you build up and expand; they're more like a massive army that you upgrade and conquer with. Systems and planets aren't where you build your base, they're just where you camp your army.
After Picking up Horatio I have come to believe that people undervalue food and its effect on the game. Food is incredibly important for the vodyani. Its main use is for manpower. Almost everything the vodyani dose requires manpower in large amounts. A lack of manpower means undefended systems and weaker ships. Despite their power Arks are notoriously easy to get around. Winning a ground invasion destroys an ark, as dose retreating an ark, Influence conversion also destroys the ark and if push comes to shove you can always swarm it with 30 craver ships or anything Frigate level or higher and easily take one down. Because of the Arks many faults you need troops to fill and defend systems and fill ships to defend arks. Without that food Vodyani become highly dependent on Minor factions for their manpower. Minor factions are difficult to defend due to the attrition from constant pirate attacks and with out them your stuck wasting valuable essence on manpower.
I also noticed that you appear focused on killing Zoltan. Wouldn't It be a better idea to farm essence off of him since he cant fight back? You could have grown your population and expanded to better fight the cravers. You could have also begun harvesting the empire ships for science and other resources to further boost yourself. If your having influence shortages there is an ark module that gives 10 influence that helps a lot more than it sounds.
If you do get a bad start there is an ark module that gives 10 essence a turn which is better than nothing. You can also double down on food to grow your pop and force the ecologist party into power for hardship ready allowing you to exploit the whole system. From there build scouts to probe everything, markets to sell everything you find and start building up and using alms when ever you can. That should get you enough essence to get started until you find some one to leech off of. It isn't the fastest but it is better than being at a stand still.
Your comment was far more inciteful than the uploader's video. Thanks as it helped me a lot for my Vodyani playthrough as well as a couple others against them.
"What are you talking about, the importance of food?" says e.
wow! this was insightful
i really love the Horatio
When i hit a really bad start, way to go is wait for first mission at turn 5 on Normal speed maps. This gives you the exact location of the 2 Pirates nearby. This if you can't find a minor or major faction by probing at turn 1-4 .. gives you a chance to attach your Lechers to the Pirate Based. You will need to use your ark to push the force back w/ the support of the scout and hero. -- Blockade -- at the pirate planet and suck em dry :D. Turn 10 you will have enough for a 2nd Pop on your Ark. Durning this time.. find a decent system w/ at least 2 planets on it and chill and build up.
If you don't have a good start, your on the Defense for 1/3 part of the game until you get to build up. Every Arch.. the building you build Travel w/ you i was afraid that you have to rebuild each time. --- What your looking for is a tight Cluster of planets 3-5 planets that can fit inside a Economic Influence Ring so all your planets can get bonuses from the Juggernauts.
On the topic of Horatio... yes food is king, i respect it moreso now w/ the other races a heck of alot more.
I had been struggling so much with the Vodyani, I put too much emphasis on protecting my Arks, It never occurred to me to actually weaponize it and send it barrelling towards an enemy capital, that's just dirty,devious and brilliant!
you ''lacked faith''. Vodyani are about faith.
These guides are top tier.
This video is pretty outdated so that many of the points are no longer valid. Ark ships are not the combat behemoths they once were as they no longer have quad mounts to start. They build up as you level them up. They still have a ton of hp, but struggle to kill even basic enemy ships, especially with the default missiles. As most early pirates have kinetics you won't be able to hurt them. They do make great siege ships given a troop upgrade but the issue with manpower still holds. Still, if you are clueless how to play Vodyanithen you can still watch this for some general pointers.
If you play with Pirate Ships are in general strong. Without i suggest to play not to aggressive and building Ships as much you can. The Key to build the Vodiany is they have to grow by themselve. Do not build People on Ark. Focus on buildings and then build ships. You have to harvest as much essence from minors civs as possible.
One of the things you can do to offset an awful start is to equip the first Ark with essence (not leecher) modules. If I haven't found anywhere to get essence by ~5, this is the usual plan. It's nowhere near as good as actually leeching, and costs you 10 dust and science p/t (if you replace the modules), plus the initial dust cost, but it's better than nothing.
Totally agree with the overall sentiment of the video. Vodyani are just too map/start dependent. I do think playing that aggressively with your second Ark early on has the potential to seriously mess up your mid-late game due to lack of infrastructure. As a comparison, an early Craver fleet is comparably scary that early in the game (not necessarily in terms of overall ship stats, but in terms of equal potential to wipe you out) and there is an actual gain - a newly conquered colony. A few investments in system defense tech (I know you guys don't like using them so much) can stop any early invasions, or draw them out so long that it's really not worth the investment.
Would . really like to see you or your brother make a turn 1-30 on the newer dlc and features eg hacking etc
A year later and we don’t have more es2 content...kinda sad.
Still new to the game... I was clueless as to play Vodyani after 5 different starts and came over here to realize i was doing everything possibly wrong. Thx for all the help.
I opened up a new game for the first time and was like "ya maybe i should watch a guide for this race".
Thanks for doing guides for all the races.
Good to know it's not just me when I get confused and frustrated because of people saying the Vodyani are broken while I'm getting my rear handed to me playing as them, apparently mostly because I've had an unlucky start every time.
Love these videos! Any thought to doing "experts guide part 2" for Mid-games for each faction?
most recent patch nerfed the vodyani skill. its 2 fids per pop on planets in system and 0.5 fids if the hero is the political leader.
edit: also they changed up some laws and added some I guess, that one religious law that made it so only your starting pop grow was changed to help in essence production, toys for boys hits your industry instead of your science now, super tax act hits happiness more I think now, is -20 bigger than it was?
also they added the food equivalent of the super tax act im pretty sure.
Why are leecher units stoping harvesting from time to time? e.g. you need to manually put them commanding to reharvesting afterwards manually in the next round (which is quite annoying and surprising to me) is there are ingame relevant factor which leads you to end harvesting?
ma kari I once saw why as it haapened. You technically reduce the population to zero by driving their fidsi to the negatives. You can't leech from 0 pop, and it automatically stops.
Because the population of the planet gets drained to zero. It usually doesn't happen on systems that are well developed because the pops reset faster than you can drain them, thus allowing you to pretty much leech essence indefinitely, but it happens a lot on minor faction systems.
Hey 4X Alchemist, been going over pretty much all your ES2 content recently and I have to say I'm really enjoying, especially the 1-30 guides. I'm curious though, cause I never see you prioritizing Drone Network, which I thought was a pretty solid first build in any system as it gives +industry for lower cost than the other +industry from research, as well as +food for faster pop growth, which I thought would make it pay for itself over the course of rather few turns. What's your thought process for not picking this up early?
DamnSpiders666 when this was recorded, drone networks were really bad. The xeno infrastucture is just so much better. In the best case it gives +30 industry.. Drone networks were buffed tho, so its pretty much the best thing to build at the start now
Thanks for the reply, I just recently got into the game so I haven't seen all the changes. Can we expect more ES2 content from you guys? Would love to see what you can make of The Vaulters, and/or more of you guys facing off against each other :D
Is that starting power chart at the beginning coming from somewhere official, or based on some experimentation or data mining? Or is that just your general impression of how the races' starts pan out based on experience? If it's the former would be great to have a link :D
Just a thing we put together based upon our experience with all the races so far. Nothing official, just an graphic to illustrate the point about the different races.
What are the best victory conditions for the Vodyani?
Love your videos. Thanks.
What does it mean when my Leecher keeps absorbing all of the population on a minor civ and dropping my Essence absorption to zero? I feel like I'm missing something.
I wonder before you invaded the hostile empire, where was his fleet at all? in the whole game you only fought vs reavers, and could you please explain more about manpower mechanics pls?
@4Xalchemist whats the best strategy to use as voidyani when you start next to cravers? i'd assume its to use arks to early rush cravers and starve them out before they can expand.
Nice, this is Vodyani: Day of Independence edition :)
I'm pretty bad with the Vodyani, so I am watching this video now to try and learn.
On bad Starts getting your Pop first... and also making the hero a governor of the system really helps.... I don't think getting more arch's is the play sir.
Hey I was just wondering have they changed the slots that you have on the ark because I get different slots so I only have 1 weapon module?
Yeah, they got nerfed to offset that very broken Ark mechanic he was complaining about
Wouldn't an easy fix for this be to make sure the vodyani always start on the same exact solar system? That might do it imo
That is no fun.
Perhaps a bit boring to guarantee the same system exactly, but it wouldn't be too bad to guarantee at least 2 colonizable planets, I would think.
The other thing is neighbors. Vodyani really struggle without having a convenient civilization to leech off of, and if they get gobbled up quickly by another civ or are just too far off, you might find yourself kinda drifting while other civs would have an easier time ramping up.
Are there also other ways to increase manpower as vodyani except gaining them from the minor civs?
FOOD
I don't think you can just upgrade your ship design and get another probe anymore and they fixed the Vidyani hero skill 'Infallible Authority'. It's only +0.5 now because of you.
1:02:50 exactly. I think the difference is very interesting. I know that the new patch (as a mod for now) is changing some behaviours of the Vodyani. It is strange however, form seeing your Graph, that all the other races have a spike somewhere. The Vodyani are completely different. But i sense in this playthrough that there is more a sense of ' whatever' with the Vodyani. So maybe your mind is set up, before you actually started it up. I myself, like the Vodyani, that they struggle, or are very beneficial. It will be patched at a certain degree i am sure (as for the G2G mod, there are some major changes to the race) . This Video is a bit sloppy, in the other videos, not so many mistakes, or ' whatevers' occurred. Question: Does it really depend on the system you are getting, and if there is a minor civ in the neighbourhood? Regards, K
Did you make these guides as livestreams originally?
1 year later and instead of meticulous balancing for Vodyani, most of their faction stuff was just plain nerfed by at least 50%. Pop bonus went from 8 to 4, fleet dmg from 40% to 20%, Infallible authority absolutely nerfed to the ground thrice over.... at least the fleet speed went from 8 'only' to 6. With the game being extremely RNG, 95% games I start I either have only 1 planet, or no minor civ in reasonable range, or both. I've yet to have a good enough start to compensate a bit for all the nerfs. Hell, by turn ~50 I'm at 50% of the score of the other races even on normal difficulty with a rather good start (2 planets, t+h deposits and 2 luxuries in start system, Tor and Minor Civ 2 and 3 hyperlanes away respectively.
PS: if you got to the game late, like me, most of these guides are so outdated you'll want to cry as all the convenient shortcuts for early game have been nerfed and no longer work
Wow.. 41:49 You didn't even attack yet, still a bomb was dropped in my ears. Battledrums on my eardrums.
I could not count how many times I had to reset to get a decent 5-10 turn to match even a 10th of your first gameplay... all I got was bad Yani games with no minor civs in a connected lane fml. Great expert guide, though!
They rebalanced them and they are basically trash now. Atleast from what I have seen. The Arks are now 190~ starting attack instead of 2000~ and they take up a bit more food along with other changes.
how does the essance cap change? jsut started as Vodyani and it takes 800 cap ? can anyone help
Is this still accurate after all the balance patches?
So get ridiculously lucky or lose, got it.
My arcs look different, did they nerf them?
Is the zoltan a reference to FTL?
Infallible Authority has been nerfed to the ground at some point between now and this video sadly. Seems like the Vodyani have been nerfed in general at some point.
Any chance of a Vaulters expert guide?
Build science to expand your mind.
Discover that thinking is for nerds.
Focus your thoughts on guns and ships.
Laugh at the argosy as it tries to keep up with your military occupying planets.
Personally I like the Vodyani as they are. Yes, they start out iffy, being system dependant, but there is a reason you chose to ban their use in your PvP game, the very reason they play so well in an experts hands, the FIDSI power up in late game. If you can survive long enough then you become a viable competitor, if you get caught out its game over, sucks for you. There is no need to change them whatsoever, they are the ultimate challenge race and not meant be cookie-cutter, like all the other major civs. Just look at that power curve telemetry you displayed. The rule is simple, kill them early, or face a true challenge. The ultimate for me though is a powered up Vodyani vs Craver collision! Man!! That's a pure masterpiece of conflict!! The Cravers are your balance civ once the Yani power up, but until then, the Yani are cannon fodder. Changing their boost would make the completely unplayable and useless to the game, which would suck loss of interest in future titles would be immediate.
exelent video ( french viewers ) gg for a great game
No umbral choir guide. :(
seeing the first game next to that brutal fail was something. maybe if you have such a bad start make the hero a gov and make his shit good with the one scout and thats enough to kill pirates and get him to lvl 6ish 8 and that should have kept you from being turn 15 with nothing
I did a similar strategy versus Lumeris (They conscripted every single time), also I was attacking with 40 tanks VS ONLY their "Conscripted infantry". And it was Minor Defeat or Draw every turn. Kept pulling back the Ark to replenish man power after two attacks. I kept hero fleet to make sure his Manpower never went above 0. Basically you have to whittle them to NO population in order for them not to have conscription option. Still don't know why tanks kept losing to infantry and LESS INFANTRY at that. And come to think of it, infantry who were being forced to fight. HUGE GAME FLAW!!
How do you think they should/could be fixed?
I believe the Vodyani are getting some changes in the next patch. On Steam you can already use the patch in work. G2G it is called i think.
>OP hero ability
>laughs in riftborn
Why did you praise the minor factions
When I did that they turned cordial and I couldn’t draw from them anyone without going to war
because once they reach 100 i you can mind control them and they give you dust and essence every turn
Okay so expert guide is : Rush militay - find closest enemy and take him out. And after that who knows...................
Pikachu keep donig it maybe build a little up but stay small and dont loose your momentum, the vodyani are perfect for supermacy victory if you do your exploration well you can win about turn ~100-150 on medium galaxy size with 5 ais on nearly any difficulty.
1:02:00 You said you never use that ability. 1 hour later you are.
Vodyani seems like a scaling race. the OP bonuses look like they are to make them viable late game even if they got a crappy start and let them snowball late game if they got a strong start.
Whatever happened to you buddy?
Admit you are lucky as hell on the first game.
I like playing more realistically. Only 1 or 2 other type 2 civilizations.
The 2nd ARK costs 1200Es
This is not actually the worst start... Worst start that happend to me, was in full chaotic and random, I spawned in a dead end, with a Fallen right in front of me, no systems around to free warp to, pirates at turn 5, and only 2 accessible planets out of my 3 planets starting system.
Honestly vodyani seem very weak lol, especially after the nerf...
I constantly dominate playing as them
@@stupid_tree7158 i picked the game up like a week ago. At first they were the most annoying race to me to encounter as an AI. "Who the fuck is this 'church lady' and why does she keep asking me for money wtf". After few more games and trying out all other races i have access to i was like "eh, let's give it a shot". Never have i been so confused starting a game. It was a game with my friend and few AIs and i basically spent like 20 something turns just fiddling around not knowing wtf i should do with my Ark, should i move it, should i guard the original system, should rush a lot of population etc. After watching the video i feel like at least i understand the point of the race now but im still very confused as to how "dominate" with them like you're saying. Im gonna mention that we usually play in Large Galaxy with around 6 competitors. Is it just too little players in game for vodyani to be playable? (as in, major civs are gonna be too far apart for you to prosper) I know ur comment is 9 months late but any tips will be welcome lol
You look like the dude from silicon valley if he could grow a beard and smoked pot
lol "guide" starting with 3 planets colonized +minor race in 2 steps. Timings are broken comparing to usual 1-2 planet w/o minor race in 5-10 turns.
I don't have the time for a two hour video, so I'm going to see if I can gather a general impression from the comment section
Edit: Necromonger's, got it
P.S. I hate when content providers use their platform to get things nerfed without considering how others play the game because they don't have the skill level to overcome what they consider an unfair advantage in a title. Any civ can be beaten if you practice against them enough times, this is proven in ALL strategy titles. Unsubscribed....
Agreed 100%
Yeah this is probably one on the worse content creators I've found on the platform when it comes to arrogantly spouting out misinformation and being wrong about most of it.
These videos aren't very helpful or insightful and are often filled with more misinformation than anything helpful
I think the game has been heavily patched in the last 4 years.
Man you are really bad at this :D Also most of your advise on the matter is wrong. And as always, just because you can't play against or with something, doesn't mean it's overpowered.
Lmao. I see the Vodyani have been nerfed into the ground. Arks are only as good as a couple of beginner ships now and half the modules you start with now need research. They also fixed the hero ability. It's now 1 FIDSI per population on system and 0.5 on senate. I started a playthrough so I found this guide but I guess I'm gonna give up. An extremely boring faction.