What i find even crazier is that the necrons had weapons that were FAR more powerful than the celestial oray in the war in heaven but destroyed them because they were to dangerous just imagine what weapons that they made that could destroy entire galaxies or more with a single press of a button.
Thank you Wes. I have lately gotten two major life problems and your vids help with both. Major sleep issues and a love for 40k and its lore. These vids are great. Interresting and good to fall asleep to. And when I wakeup I can always finish the rest of it out of pure enjoyment. Keep it up your doing fantastic If I could make a small request(as if you don't get enough of those). When you have the time make a vid on Tyberos and the Carcharodons, or maybe just a top ten Space marine badasses. Just an idea love your vids anyways
Would be kind of cool if it was used on a known person of the 40k universe and suddenly all new/re releases of books that person/characters was in is no longer there, so truly a retcon gun!
@@jonatanpersson82 imagine if it were a really important character... commissar yarrick, or vulkan hestan, or even one of the primarchs. erasing guilliman's existence would change *everything*...
"Wow! This gun is great! Destroyed all 20 of the enemy soldiers! 15 soldiers just gone! If every soldier had one... imagine it! 10 enemy soldiers killed for every shooter. Taking out 5 soldiers like it's nothing. That guy never stood a chance. Can't wait to test it on the enemy!"
When the metric is killing a race of gods who master the concepts of life and evolution, trapping and shattering your own gods of space and time and the foot soldiers of your enemy are genetically engineered god killing orks who are masters of their psychic potential and all stand as tall as a small Titan, ya you need more than a few truly nightmarish doomsday weapons to survive let alone win
It's even funnier that the most powerful Necron weapons were all destroyed after the Necrons shattered the C'tan meaning that all the overpowered weapons they have now were not considered powerful enough to be destroyed. The Eldar superweapons too require massive amounts of psychic energy that the current Eldar simply wouldn't be possible now due to the Eldar being bound to Slaneesh.
So many powerful things out of the war in heaven survived, yet we know for a fact that this is just a tiny minority of those that were being used back then. Truly fascinating. Hard to belive, that the war in heaven still only spread over one galaxy. But I think it could easily be theorized that the waring factions were responsilble for the annihilation of the dinosaurs of our terra without even realizing it. I love this.
When Wes mentioned how devastating it would be for the Celestial Orrary to fall into the hands of any other race, I got this thought in my head of a couple orks laughing as they selected everything and hit delete.
The galaxy is ended because a couple of Orks painted purple (it makes them invisible) sneak in and blow everything up using the Orrary. The best part is they don't know what they're doing. They just saw something shiny and wandered in to play with it
honestly, if they knew what it did they'd probably destroy it cause other people using it means less killing for the orks and we can't have that, now can we?
the retcon gun sounds like the perfect weapon to use on Chaos daemons, especially on Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch. also, it should be used on Kor Phaeron, Lucius, Erebus. and it *absolutely* needs to be used on Vashtorr. vengeance for Caliban is its own reward.
One shouldn't play with ripping holes in reality. Especially with chaos. And a physical object they can walk off with. And replicate themselves. No some things should stay buried. Its not a concept that should ever exist or even be studied. Its the chaos one can cause by erasing whole threads of reality. Mankind in 40k redeveloping this would undo its own existence. Anarchy law of no laws therefore can't exist as it's self-destruction is inherently written in its creation. Paradox.
@@meshuggahshirt problem is people *remember* the 2nd and the 11th like horus, magnus, fulgrim, Rogal, even mortals like cawl and malcador, if it was the retcon gun that killed them, then there would be no 20 legions, only 18, there would be no records or memories
The Terminus Est, a warship that destroyed a Glorianna class Battleship, was supremely blessed by Nurgle, and had ten thousand years of battlefield experience had a bunch of decks blown off when facing a nova cannon. Said Nova Cannon was sitting on the prow of a regular line ship.
I know it’s not really a weapon, but the psychic scream upon the final formation of Slaanesh was almost a 100% instant extinction event for the Aeldari Empire. It was KINDA Aeldari-made… and not impossible to replicate… so would that count?
Not really because you can't weaponise it in that way. The death that slaanesh caused was like it was eating it's first meal and it wasn't unique to the eldar. A lot of powerful psychers from other races got indiscriminately hit too but the eldar were hit the hardest since they're all pretty powerful psychers.
Its a banger of a trilogy. But i feel you can only appreciate it to the fullest extent if you know the lore. The arco flaglant (i dont remember how its spelled) is never name dropped, only described, so understanding that just makes it all the more cooler.
It is one I need to get my hands on. Sadly I'm dying and dying is expensive. Why can't Black Library make a subscription service. I'd pay 15$ a month to get access to the books.
I see what you did there, starting with a weapon that can remove a person from time and ending with one that can remove a solar system from time. Well played sir.
I'm now fascinated by a theory that just hit me of the missing primarchs being hit with a Retcon/Ontological Gun, and thus causing their own legions to forget about them, which could also explain legions like the Soul Drinkers walking around thinking they're descended from other primarchs and having unrecognized gene sequences.
No, Malcador showed Guilliman a vision of the 2. He didn’t say much but he did say if they were alive during the hearsay then the Imperium would have already lost.
Lmao, what if the gun had infinite range and the projectile kept going since it was fired in the dark age, and some random primarch accidentally walked into its trajectory
As a Destiny 2 player, I am intimately familiar with ontological weapons. Also, I love watching your videos! I don't even play Warhammer, I just really like hearing about its universe and lore.
The webway tunneling device that was discovered at the end of Arks of Omen seems pretty powerful. Like powerful enough to fix the webway to Terra or obliterate it.
Thank you for including The Twice-Dead King: Reign in this video! It is an incredible 40K book, and a genuinely inspired piece of literature. It brought humanity and tragedy to the necrons that was honestly tear-jerking. If you ever wanted to do a future video about The Twice-Dead King duology or on Oltyx, I'm sure there's tons of folks who would be jazzed to hear your analysis!
Love the video man. I think I read something similar to the Retcon Ray; in a Doctor Who novel there was a gun that could erase stuff from reality and the timeline. A girl's friend got shot, and while she couldn't recall what had just happened, there was a huge sinking sadness in her about... something.
The Planet Killer is kinda similar to a Xyston-class star destroyer in how it destroys planets, the gravitic trebuchet kinda seems like a weaponized mass relay from Mass Effect. Given the last two entries the war in heaven must been absolutely insane when it got into high-gear.
when you think about it, the gravitic trebuchet functions the same way as tyranid ftl, because gravity and space curvature are the same thing, so in theory, further exploration of this grants the necrons an alternative to webway travel via dolmen gates
Just think what the dark age of technology was like as well. When you consider the power of what is effectively an infantry rifle makes lists like this.
I would love for Games Workshop to start a new franchise called Warhammer: The Dark Age where we learn personal stories of Mankind coming out of the iron men apocalypse, and the ascendance of the Emperor. I can't imagine he spent 30,000 years on just Terra. He probably travelled the known galaxy a lot. Especially since he could act as his own Astropath.
While that sounds good I think part of the Emperor is the 'mystery' and only little bits about him we know, expand too much and it will reduce the magic
The real issue is that all the big dark age weapons kept Big E in hiding. They were so no fun that's the Orks refused to fight man. Think digi weapons but Dyson beam.
I imagine the Retcon Gun is probably reverse-engineered from Necron Chronomancy tech, at least partly. The Dark Age humans were a smart bunch, and since we never suffered the trauma of the War in Heaven like the Aeldari, we would have definitely been curious enough to try and see how Necron tech ticks.
I like the thought of the "retcon gun" being something never used and is perpetually in testing, every time an entity is shot with it they effectively no longer exist or ever have existed, making the wielders un aware of whether or not the weapon actually works
I would like to see a "at the height of their power" video about the Eldar. We always hear that after the war in heaven they won and were so powerful that the Necrons decided to take a 60 million year nap in the hopes that they would be gone by then. If the Necrons had so many powerful weapons in the war in heaven, what were the Eldar running around with that made them bow out of the fight?
Psychic powers is my guess but i agree. Necrons should be steam rolling. Also I was told the Eldar were also assailed by those warp creatures afterwards. Not exactly chaos aligned and I can't remember the name of them... One of the first ones. Mind flayers? Similar to psychneuein on Prospero. God damn it is on the tip of my tongue and going to bug me. Anyway remember before the WiH the warp wasn't nearly as chaotic and so they had to deal with that. Anyway I believe the true history is that the war devastated both races so bad they came to a truce with the agreement that the C'tan needed to go. Then the Necrons agreed to slumber for suitable life to propagate for new bodies while the Silent King went off to do uhhh... Whatever. Remember he had the protocols and destroyed them AFTER the command. I also know Necron worlds were attacked but they always cost so much lives that the Elder decided to just leave them be. Millenia passed and the true history of the truce was forgotten. Then humanity screwed it up with the HH.
Necrons decided to "nope I'm out" because they kinda won and their numbers were limited with no ability to grow, by going to sleep they avoided useless fighting since time could do the work for them
the eldar didnt win the war in heaven they caused the enslaver plague the necrons didnt retreat from the eldar, they went to sleep to await the galaxy being worth ruling again after the warp ruin the war caused the eldar where also not fighting in the war in heaven, they where just a tool for the old ones they where the godmakers psychic power to fight the soulless, gods to fight the ctan khaine is the shattered remnant of what they where made for sadly khaine doesnt mean much anymore since gw cant write for shit and spezmarins need to win the eldar where the support faction to the frontline krorks
The Eldar had their Gods (especially Khaine that fucker) he was actually pretty OP then, probably planetary level. A small percentage would be those worshipping the laughing god, the life goddess and that one builder god and etc... And like 99% worshipped Khaine. Every single Eldar that was born was bred for war and war only and who was the god of war? Khaine. Also they had the blackstone fortresses, Webway and probably massive world ending shit on their MASSIVE ships too like giant lances n shit. Either way, they also had op stuff but yeah they were losing, even with the krorks fighting with them, they were loosing. Also fucking hell but their psykers back then we're told to lift continents and crush entire mortal armies with a single flick of their dick. Back when eldar psykers didn't have slaneesh chase their balls everytime they used warp spaghetti, they were pretty op. Also a single khainite warrior back then which was said to be like the run of the mil normal foot soldier is said to be so powerful, they'd probably beat every single phoenix lord the Eldar has today, maybe have a bit of a hard time with Morgun Ra? That skull grim reaper fuckin dude but still, they we're pretty fucking op. AND TRAZYN HAS ONE LOCKED UP IN HIS BASEMENT! If that doesn't give you enough to put to scale how op both sides were, idk what will
The Eldar lost the war in heaven. Which pretty much ended when the C'tan and necrons bullied the old ones out of existence. However, with the C'tan weaker from the non stop fighting the necrons rebelled against the C'tan before they recovered. Just after they sealed the C'tan the Enslaver plague began on the galaxy and necrons noped out. Since enslavers are warp entities Necrons didn't really have a defense against them, so the silent king ordered all his people to sleep and let the time of the eldar age out and the galaxy heal. But yeah, Necrons pretty much won and chose to be free instead of finishing the less dangerous eldar and Orks off, which was probably the smart idea when you read up about full power C'tan. for example: When Aza'gorod the nightbringer fought the full blown Khaine (in his prime), he lost... but when you destroy the c'tan bodies that were made by the necrons for them, they just turn back into their huge space gas/energy forms. so he just went and got a new one, meanwhile the shattering of that c'tan body permanently injured kaela mensha khaine. So summary: C'tan OP
I believe that the Ontological Rifle is actually a meme of sorts - a sort of in-universe explanation (and thus, a sort of sly joke in our world) that talks about how certain things in the thirty-five-odd years worth of lore have been “retconned”. It’s a bit of fan service for greybeard grognards like me, I suspect. No evidence for this; it just feels like it might have been part of the idea behind such a thing. Also, the Aeonic Orb sounds quite like the C’Tan version of a packed lunch.
I'm so happy you mention Breath of the Gods in this video. I mean it was one of the most underrated weapons in the entire 40K. But I want correct a few things in your video. I mean it can manipulate the Skein itself. In other mean it can change the course of the entire timeline. It also means, it not only affect the entire galaxy but the entire Skein and all dimensions and multiverse that connected to it. Heck, even in your own video you have put it also affect the boundary infinite space itself. Many argue it was just a galactic scale like you did but the context about the Skein is the proof that could not be debunked. Yes, the Breath of The Gods in the hand of the full C'tan is might be capable to create infinite amount of universes or even destroy them.
Fun thought experiment - What happens if the Emperor gets hit with the Retcon gun? The implications to Chaos are tremendous. Or a Tyranid? They're all linked to the same consciousness, so would that eliminate the threat totally?
Hitting Big E with the retcon gun would pretty much doom the galaxy to chaos. He's barely holding chaos from bursting into realspace. Also, quintillions of humans would lose all hope and instantly commit suicide. As for the tyranids, I think it'd just wipe out that one single tyranid organism. They way I imagine, it'd basically be the same as you cutting off one of your fingers then shooting it with the gun. You'd just forget that you had a finger there and that's it.
I can imagine the celestial orrary was actually a mistake. I can see them accidentally plugging the machine in to creation in such a way that if they turn it off, they quite literally turn off reality itself. It can be seen as a version of their "golden throne", ie: they cannot afford to let it be destroyed.
Considering it was something that one look at it was taken and that stopped all tampering with it was stopped from ever even started while their super weapons were being dismantled without batting an eye. This is a fair assumption.
Using the trebuchet as a mode of transportation was the first thing i thought of when he mentioned it in the intro, then he revealed that a bedroom thought of the danger thing😂😂😂😂
Yo you put out quality content so consistently! Thats so dope! I always get excited when i see you dropped a new video cause i know it'll be fire. Foreal, mad respect for your work ethic
Just FYI if you had an asteroid traveling faster than the speed of light, it would be traveling backwards in time. If you warp spacetime the asteroid wont be supraluminal the bubble of spacetime its in is. If that bubbale disappeared the asteroid would keep moving through space at its original subluminal velocity. You could get the asteroid to its target faster than light but it will hit at sublight speed. Thats how it would work IRL anyways. Thought you might find that interesting.
The Celestial Orrery is the Key to the Galaxy. Hidden Tech, STCs, locations of super advanced weapons or tech from the War in Heaven Era, Humanity's or Aelder' hieghts ect. If our fun Necron Pokemon master could use it to find something he wanted, who knows how much more is hidden and guarded jealously. I would really love another story involving the Orrery but from the view of another race trying to access it.
Oh btw, another fun fact about the Speranza - this is often overlooked in favor of the Speranza’s Big Gun, but the speranza is also referred to as having “hypometric weapons” that simply unexist regions of space. …this humorously means that Humanity had two types of guns that Unexisted things (as opposed to disintegration weapons like adrathic guns) and evidently one of them wasn’t hardcore enough lol
You forgot the two best parts: that it is just one of the forgotten pieces of the Sperenza, and that it sends the bridge crew techpriests into a state of absolute horror and “WTF is that”
Idk. If the retcon gun works like I think it does, that means anyone killed by it ceases to exist throughout history. So if you killed Abadon for example, then anything he ever did, simply never happened.
I loved this weapons but there are more advanced guns in Sci-Fi literature with far more destructive power 😅😅 For example the "Dimensional Striker" in the novel series "Three Body Problems" by Cixin Liu. When the gun strikes an object, the whole area near the strikes shrinks in dimension (for example 3D collapses into 2D) and it starts to expand from there to whole universe! And that's how they start the reality as we know it! I don't want to spoil it though, it's a beautiful series and you guys should read it if you like unforgiving universes! P.S. this novel series is being adapted as animation by Billi Billi and a Netflix show!
There's no gun involved in the dimensional strike, the alien simply plucked it out of its seal and flicked it carelessly towards the solar system. It didn't strike any object as it is an already 2 dimensional object that can't interact with any of the 3 dimensional object (it passed through any 3D object and couldn't be grabbed), it simply vaporized for 71 hours before making an effect to its surrounding
Fact that the Necrons have the Orrery, makes them the strongest/deadliest faction. Literally a slap on the holograms wld wipe every race, and starve chaos and nids.
Retcon Gun when used on Tyranid Hive Ships make planets re-emerge into existence. Eventually after Retconning so many Tyranids, a new race comes into the Galaxy to do battle with everyone. A race that was once eradicated by the Tyranids.
Imagine the retcon gun being used by an assassin to kill leaders. Would it radically alter the world as said leader would never have existed? Would all their actions become instantly unmade? Would their children suddenly cease to exist? So many questions...
Hoping that the collective Ork mind is on this list. The idea that if enough orks think something is true, it becomes real is awesome. Imagine if enough orks thought the Emperor of man came back from his time on the golden throne…
id love to see a proper deep dive long form lore video into wither the grey knights and/or the inquisitors. there video’s out there but tbh you’re channel is the only wh channel i enjoy watching. your energy is always amazing
I've been meaning to tackle the inquisitors for a long time. I'm on book 6 of 8 of the Inquisitor series by Dan abenett. I want to have that finished before I tackle them. But I think I'm going to do a smaller video on comparing Puritan and radical inquisitors first.
In Cadia Stands, it’s said that Abbadon threw the Blackstone Fortress with so much force that crashing ships into it intentionally wasn’t enough to knock it off its trajectory even a little bit. When I think about it, I can’t help but wonder if the Black Legion got their hands on the that Necron Catapault tech
As a Stargate fan, I am 90% certain that the Blackstone Fortresses is just Anubis' mothership but squared and then taped together. Which means they were built by an overacting ham using stolen tech belonging to the Anquietas.
I gotta say I've never seen someone refer to the Ancients in their native language. I've had Jack saying "Nou ani Anquietas" burned into my brain for decades and it has finally paid off.
There's a great segment in "The Forever War" (book) that discusses what would happen if a space ship traveling close to the speed of light were to hit a planet. It's cool.
I think it's pretty much confirmed the Blackstone fortresses were created by the eldar (or to be more exact, by their god Vaul) during the war in heaven if I'm not wrong. Their names for the fortresses is "the talismans of vaul". Huron Blackheart's fortress had a hidden webway gate at its centre I think, and the harlequins attempted to capture and control them again. And they make use of warp cannons technologies that use warp energies to be powered, which is very much an aeldari thing as most of their most advanced ancient tech was all powered by the warp. Also, I'd like to mention the sun eater weapons used by the aeldari. They're literally machines capable of consuming stars, extinguishing them. I'm fairly certain the drukhari kabal of the dying sun (very subtle, I know) still have access to these weapons.
Shout-out to the tachyon arrow which is a small wrist mounted weapon used by high level necrons. Its a one shot weapon that shoots a small sliver of metal faster than the speed of light and can destroy an imperator titan in one shot
the retcon gun would cause major butterfly effect paradox type stuff if there was multiple people running around erasing people, people just at their home eating dinner forgetting their spouse existed and stuff
Honorable mention to both the fireheart and yme loc's planetary d-scythe. A D'scythe is like the killing curse in Harry Potter. It suck your soul out and banishes it into the warp. Normally, the d scythe is only used by wraithguard and the hemlock wraithfighter. However, yme loc has a Dscythe that can kill the population of an entire planet. Yme loc doesn't use this device because they are too concerned about such silly things like "ethics." The fireheart is a device now common among mist craftworlds that collapses the core of planets into dust, not only destroying life on said planet but the celestial body itself.
Damn, never heared of the breath of the gods thing. That is such a cool concept. I would also agree. It indeed does sound more destructive than the orrey.
3:28 “molecular level” would not destroy atoms or anything smaller, only seperate molecules. “Subatomic level” would be closer to being accurate but still not quite
The Nova cannon, usually mounted on battle cruisers and star ships, was also the weapon aboard the Ordinatus Armageddon [Oberon] in the Helsreach story that one-shotted a Mega-Gargant.
I like how we're getting into weapons so inconceivably powerful that our minds can barely even comprehend them. Yet when i look upon the timeline bar, we're only halfway through the video.
I honestly don't care what you talk about, your videos are always entertaining to watch and are far too indepth while not feeling like a lecture. Looking forward to the next entry
could be cool with a speculation or maybe even a debate video about the oldest things in Warhammer, like the "forget me" gun, the fortresses or the even more godly things, things we don't know where or who made it
The retcon gun is inspired by 'balefire', a channeled ability from the Wheel of Time book series that does the same thing, where the target is not only disintegrated, it completely reweaves the Pattern like as if the person or thing was never conceived at all.
Some additions to the list: - the c’tan-breaking weapons (pretty much all of them) - the ship the tyranids of hive fleet Tiamat are building - the dark age of technology f-your-reality worms (in my opinion one of the strongest weapons, just replaces a part of reality with that from another universe)
Dude shoot them across the Galaxy with that crazy trebuchet and then right as they hit the ground shoot them with the gun we can call it the "yeet and delete"
You're the fucking best Wes! Thanks for the content, been sick last few days and pretty much just laid up at home. People like you that have made it somewhat tolerable. Thank you so much!
The dark age of technology fascinates me to no end. I would love to know more in that timeline of the setting. And the Gravitic Trebuchet would probably punch a meteor sized hole so quickly that it would just seem like the giant hole punched completely through the planet was just there suddenly, and the destruction that follows would be a bit delayed but disastrously catastrophic
The idea of a scaled up retcon gun mouinted to a ship was actually explored in one oif STar Trek Voyager's best two parter episodes, the year of hell. I can only imagine what it would be like in 40k
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Day two of asking your opinion on Tyberos the red wake
He is also my favorite character in wh40k
What i find even crazier is that the necrons had weapons that were FAR more powerful than the celestial oray in the war in heaven but destroyed them because they were to dangerous just imagine what weapons that they made that could destroy entire galaxies or more with a single press of a button.
LOVED your video! I never even heard of half of these before! Still learning so much about Warhammer 40k.!
Thank you Wes. I have lately gotten two major life problems and your vids help with both. Major sleep issues and a love for 40k and its lore. These vids are great. Interresting and good to fall asleep to. And when I wakeup I can always finish the rest of it out of pure enjoyment. Keep it up your doing fantastic
If I could make a small request(as if you don't get enough of those). When you have the time make a vid on Tyberos and the Carcharodons, or maybe just a top ten Space marine badasses. Just an idea love your vids anyways
*While building the retcon gun*
"We've begun test firing the gun today!"
"Oh, and have you hit anything?"
" ....... I can't remember."
[Redacted]
Would be kind of cool if it was used on a known person of the 40k universe and suddenly all new/re releases of books that person/characters was in is no longer there, so truly a retcon gun!
@@jonatanpersson82 imagine if it were a really important character... commissar yarrick, or vulkan hestan, or even one of the primarchs. erasing guilliman's existence would change *everything*...
"Wow! This gun is great! Destroyed all 20 of the enemy soldiers! 15 soldiers just gone! If every soldier had one... imagine it! 10 enemy soldiers killed for every shooter. Taking out 5 soldiers like it's nothing. That guy never stood a chance. Can't wait to test it on the enemy!"
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Step 1: Kill Erebus
Step 2: Enjoy your new utopia with 20 uncorrupted Primarks and a fully living Emperor
Its holarious that the three most powerful weapons were all from the war in heaven really shows how truly insane the war in heaven was
Hilarious bro man
When the metric is killing a race of gods who master the concepts of life and evolution, trapping and shattering your own gods of space and time and the foot soldiers of your enemy are genetically engineered god killing orks who are masters of their psychic potential and all stand as tall as a small Titan, ya you need more than a few truly nightmarish doomsday weapons to survive let alone win
Wholesome and hilarious. Holarius.
It's even funnier that the most powerful Necron weapons were all destroyed after the Necrons shattered the C'tan meaning that all the overpowered weapons they have now were not considered powerful enough to be destroyed. The Eldar superweapons too require massive amounts of psychic energy that the current Eldar simply wouldn't be possible now due to the Eldar being bound to Slaneesh.
So many powerful things out of the war in heaven survived, yet we know for a fact that this is just a tiny minority of those that were being used back then. Truly fascinating. Hard to belive, that the war in heaven still only spread over one galaxy. But I think it could easily be theorized that the waring factions were responsilble for the annihilation of the dinosaurs of our terra without even realizing it. I love this.
When Wes mentioned how devastating it would be for the Celestial Orrary to fall into the hands of any other race, I got this thought in my head of a couple orks laughing as they selected everything and hit delete.
ctrl+a and ctrl+x
lol, would love that to be the final image for the whole of 40k
The galaxy is ended because a couple of Orks painted purple (it makes them invisible) sneak in and blow everything up using the Orrary. The best part is they don't know what they're doing. They just saw something shiny and wandered in to play with it
honestly, if they knew what it did they'd probably destroy it cause other people using it means less killing for the orks and we can't have that, now can we?
That makes sense kill all so no more fighting would be plenty of resion if they cant theyd get some weird bois or a mech boi@@kxuydhj
the retcon gun sounds like the perfect weapon to use on Chaos daemons, especially on Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch.
also, it should be used on Kor Phaeron, Lucius, Erebus. and it *absolutely* needs to be used on Vashtorr. vengeance for Caliban is its own reward.
One shouldn't play with ripping holes in reality. Especially with chaos. And a physical object they can walk off with. And replicate themselves. No some things should stay buried. Its not a concept that should ever exist or even be studied. Its the chaos one can cause by erasing whole threads of reality. Mankind in 40k redeveloping this would undo its own existence. Anarchy law of no laws therefore can't exist as it's self-destruction is inherently written in its creation. Paradox.
One shot each was used on the II and XI Primarchs
@@meshuggahshirt problem is people *remember* the 2nd and the 11th like horus, magnus, fulgrim, Rogal, even mortals like cawl and malcador, if it was the retcon gun that killed them, then there would be no 20 legions, only 18, there would be no records or memories
Sounds like a soft counter to Necrons.....
This is bfg 9k in warhammer 40k
The blackstone forteresses where built by Piglins inside the warp to protect their gold from others.
It's core was stolen by the dreaded entity named Steve
@@Tyranid_HiveMind one of the most powerful warp entity
steve is literally Emperor of Mankind, come on
All hail the mighty Steve
@@stingray2223you know the emperors name that's not good
The Terminus Est, a warship that destroyed a Glorianna class Battleship, was supremely blessed by Nurgle, and had ten thousand years of battlefield experience had a bunch of decks blown off when facing a nova cannon.
Said Nova Cannon was sitting on the prow of a regular line ship.
I know it’s not really a weapon, but the psychic scream upon the final formation of Slaanesh was almost a 100% instant extinction event for the Aeldari Empire. It was KINDA Aeldari-made… and not impossible to replicate… so would that count?
No
No, sorry man
Nah, slaanesh is not a weapon (just like old eldari gods were no longer weapons)
Not really because you can't weaponise it in that way. The death that slaanesh caused was like it was eating it's first meal and it wasn't unique to the eldar. A lot of powerful psychers from other races got indiscriminately hit too but the eldar were hit the hardest since they're all pretty powerful psychers.
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So glad to see the Breath of the Gods on the list, seriously the forges of Mars trilogy is incredibly underrated
Its a banger of a trilogy. But i feel you can only appreciate it to the fullest extent if you know the lore. The arco flaglant (i dont remember how its spelled) is never name dropped, only described, so understanding that just makes it all the more cooler.
Do they mention the ctan or necrons in them books?
@@jacksonterrance8833 not necrons. its only assumed to be necron due to its sheer power and time manipulation ( thats mainly a necron thing)
It is one I need to get my hands on. Sadly I'm dying and dying is expensive. Why can't Black Library make a subscription service. I'd pay 15$ a month to get access to the books.
@@dianapennepacker6854 "Sadly I'm dying and dying is expensive." oof yeah, i just read in the newspaper how dying does not help pay bills.
I see what you did there, starting with a weapon that can remove a person from time and ending with one that can remove a solar system from time. Well played sir.
I'm now fascinated by a theory that just hit me of the missing primarchs being hit with a Retcon/Ontological Gun, and thus causing their own legions to forget about them, which could also explain legions like the Soul Drinkers walking around thinking they're descended from other primarchs and having unrecognized gene sequences.
Nah. If they were retconned gunned, Malcador wouldn’t have been required
No, Malcador showed Guilliman a vision of the 2. He didn’t say much but he did say if they were alive during the hearsay then the Imperium would have already lost.
Lmao, what if the gun had infinite range and the projectile kept going since it was fired in the dark age, and some random primarch accidentally walked into its trajectory
That's an OP loadout to wander around the 40K universe like a boss.
As a Destiny 2 player, I am intimately familiar with ontological weapons. Also, I love watching your videos! I don't even play Warhammer, I just really like hearing about its universe and lore.
I did come across the ones from destiny when researching this gun :) pretty cool stuff
Took the words right out of my mouth guardian
The webway tunneling device that was discovered at the end of Arks of Omen seems pretty powerful. Like powerful enough to fix the webway to Terra or obliterate it.
They will find the Khan in the webway. It will be glorious
Can i just say,i am so happy you mentioned the breath of gods. The forges of mars was an awesome trilogy
Thank you for including The Twice-Dead King: Reign in this video! It is an incredible 40K book, and a genuinely inspired piece of literature. It brought humanity and tragedy to the necrons that was honestly tear-jerking. If you ever wanted to do a future video about The Twice-Dead King duology or on Oltyx, I'm sure there's tons of folks who would be jazzed to hear your analysis!
I'd love to see an entire video on Blackstone Fortress lore.
Agreed
Love the video man. I think I read something similar to the Retcon Ray; in a Doctor Who novel there was a gun that could erase stuff from reality and the timeline. A girl's friend got shot, and while she couldn't recall what had just happened, there was a huge sinking sadness in her about... something.
Use the retcon gun against Lucius, Erebus and Kor Phaeron.
It's safeguarded by ordo GW
Now I want to know what would happen if a Chaos god or Greater Daemon was shot by this thing.
Shoot Erebus twice just to be sure
@@15DAnglo Three times to be sure. Not even double tap is enough.
For Erebus, give it to the original and have him do the shooting. Let that man reclaim his name.
The Planet Killer is kinda similar to a Xyston-class star destroyer in how it destroys planets, the gravitic trebuchet kinda seems like a weaponized mass relay from Mass Effect. Given the last two entries the war in heaven must been absolutely insane when it got into high-gear.
when you think about it, the gravitic trebuchet functions the same way as tyranid ftl, because gravity and space curvature are the same thing, so in theory, further exploration of this grants the necrons an alternative to webway travel via dolmen gates
Just think what the dark age of technology was like as well. When you consider the power of what is effectively an infantry rifle makes lists like this.
I would love for Games Workshop to start a new franchise called Warhammer: The Dark Age where we learn personal stories of Mankind coming out of the iron men apocalypse, and the ascendance of the Emperor. I can't imagine he spent 30,000 years on just Terra. He probably travelled the known galaxy a lot. Especially since he could act as his own Astropath.
While that sounds good I think part of the Emperor is the 'mystery' and only little bits about him we know, expand too much and it will reduce the magic
@@chromesucks5299 you're right, but it doesn't to be a franchise. They could've made one or two story about his past.
The real issue is that all the big dark age weapons kept Big E in hiding. They were so no fun that's the Orks refused to fight man. Think digi weapons but Dyson beam.
@Chrome Sucks I used to think that about the Primarchs, but learning about Guilliman and El Jonson after their revivals has been thrilling.
I want a warhammer franchise set in the golden age of technology
I imagine the Retcon Gun is probably reverse-engineered from Necron Chronomancy tech, at least partly. The Dark Age humans were a smart bunch, and since we never suffered the trauma of the War in Heaven like the Aeldari, we would have definitely been curious enough to try and see how Necron tech ticks.
I like the thought of the "retcon gun" being something never used and is perpetually in testing, every time an entity is shot with it they effectively no longer exist or ever have existed, making the wielders un aware of whether or not the weapon actually works
I would like to see a "at the height of their power" video about the Eldar. We always hear that after the war in heaven they won and were so powerful that the Necrons decided to take a 60 million year nap in the hopes that they would be gone by then. If the Necrons had so many powerful weapons in the war in heaven, what were the Eldar running around with that made them bow out of the fight?
Psychic powers is my guess but i agree. Necrons should be steam rolling.
Also I was told the Eldar were also assailed by those warp creatures afterwards. Not exactly chaos aligned and I can't remember the name of them... One of the first ones. Mind flayers? Similar to psychneuein on Prospero. God damn it is on the tip of my tongue and going to bug me. Anyway remember before the WiH the warp wasn't nearly as chaotic and so they had to deal with that.
Anyway I believe the true history is that the war devastated both races so bad they came to a truce with the agreement that the C'tan needed to go. Then the Necrons agreed to slumber for suitable life to propagate for new bodies while the Silent King went off to do uhhh... Whatever. Remember he had the protocols and destroyed them AFTER the command.
I also know Necron worlds were attacked but they always cost so much lives that the Elder decided to just leave them be.
Millenia passed and the true history of the truce was forgotten.
Then humanity screwed it up with the HH.
Necrons decided to "nope I'm out" because they kinda won and their numbers were limited with no ability to grow, by going to sleep they avoided useless fighting since time could do the work for them
the eldar didnt win the war in heaven
they caused the enslaver plague
the necrons didnt retreat from the eldar, they went to sleep to await the galaxy being worth ruling again after the warp ruin the war caused
the eldar where also not fighting in the war in heaven, they where just a tool for the old ones
they where the godmakers
psychic power to fight the soulless, gods to fight the ctan
khaine is the shattered remnant of what they where made for
sadly khaine doesnt mean much anymore since gw cant write for shit and spezmarins need to win
the eldar where the support faction to the frontline krorks
The Eldar had their Gods (especially Khaine that fucker) he was actually pretty OP then, probably planetary level. A small percentage would be those worshipping the laughing god, the life goddess and that one builder god and etc... And like 99% worshipped Khaine. Every single Eldar that was born was bred for war and war only and who was the god of war? Khaine. Also they had the blackstone fortresses, Webway and probably massive world ending shit on their MASSIVE ships too like giant lances n shit. Either way, they also had op stuff but yeah they were losing, even with the krorks fighting with them, they were loosing.
Also fucking hell but their psykers back then we're told to lift continents and crush entire mortal armies with a single flick of their dick. Back when eldar psykers didn't have slaneesh chase their balls everytime they used warp spaghetti, they were pretty op. Also a single khainite warrior back then which was said to be like the run of the mil normal foot soldier is said to be so powerful, they'd probably beat every single phoenix lord the Eldar has today, maybe have a bit of a hard time with Morgun Ra? That skull grim reaper fuckin dude but still, they we're pretty fucking op. AND TRAZYN HAS ONE LOCKED UP IN HIS BASEMENT!
If that doesn't give you enough to put to scale how op both sides were, idk what will
The Eldar lost the war in heaven. Which pretty much ended when the C'tan and necrons bullied the old ones out of existence.
However, with the C'tan weaker from the non stop fighting the necrons rebelled against the C'tan before they recovered.
Just after they sealed the C'tan the Enslaver plague began on the galaxy and necrons noped out.
Since enslavers are warp entities Necrons didn't really have a defense against them, so the silent king ordered all his people to sleep and let the time of the eldar age out and the galaxy heal.
But yeah, Necrons pretty much won and chose to be free instead of finishing the less dangerous eldar and Orks off, which was probably the smart idea when you read up about full power C'tan.
for example: When Aza'gorod the nightbringer fought the full blown Khaine (in his prime), he lost... but when you destroy the c'tan bodies that were made by the necrons for them, they just turn back into their huge space gas/energy forms. so he just went and got a new one, meanwhile the shattering of that c'tan body permanently injured kaela mensha khaine.
So summary: C'tan OP
Superweapons in 40k makes the death star in star wars like a regular weapon
I believe that the Ontological Rifle is actually a meme of sorts - a sort of in-universe explanation (and thus, a sort of sly joke in our world) that talks about how certain things in the thirty-five-odd years worth of lore have been “retconned”. It’s a bit of fan service for greybeard grognards like me, I suspect.
No evidence for this; it just feels like it might have been part of the idea behind such a thing.
Also, the Aeonic Orb sounds quite like the C’Tan version of a packed lunch.
I'm so happy you mention Breath of the Gods in this video. I mean it was one of the most underrated weapons in the entire 40K.
But I want correct a few things in your video.
I mean it can manipulate the Skein itself. In other mean it can change the course of the entire timeline. It also means, it not only affect the entire galaxy but the entire Skein and all dimensions and multiverse that connected to it. Heck, even in your own video you have put it also affect the boundary infinite space itself.
Many argue it was just a galactic scale like you did but the context about the Skein is the proof that could not be debunked.
Yes, the Breath of The Gods in the hand of the full C'tan is might be capable to create infinite amount of universes or even destroy them.
Fun thought experiment - What happens if the Emperor gets hit with the Retcon gun? The implications to Chaos are tremendous. Or a Tyranid? They're all linked to the same consciousness, so would that eliminate the threat totally?
Hitting Big E with the retcon gun would pretty much doom the galaxy to chaos. He's barely holding chaos from bursting into realspace. Also, quintillions of humans would lose all hope and instantly commit suicide.
As for the tyranids, I think it'd just wipe out that one single tyranid organism. They way I imagine, it'd basically be the same as you cutting off one of your fingers then shooting it with the gun. You'd just forget that you had a finger there and that's it.
What if you hit a retcon gun with another retcon gun?
I can imagine the celestial orrary was actually a mistake. I can see them accidentally plugging the machine in to creation in such a way that if they turn it off, they quite literally turn off reality itself. It can be seen as a version of their "golden throne", ie: they cannot afford to let it be destroyed.
Considering it was something that one look at it was taken and that stopped all tampering with it was stopped from ever even started while their super weapons were being dismantled without batting an eye. This is a fair assumption.
I'd love to hear you talk about that one time Skaven made contact with the Eldar and just immediately shot their thingamajhig
Using the trebuchet as a mode of transportation was the first thing i thought of when he mentioned it in the intro, then he revealed that a bedroom thought of the danger thing😂😂😂😂
if one could build a network of those, who needs the warp. Just use them like mass relays.
I bet you spend like 50% of your waking time on 40k lore and I appreciate every single percent.
Honestly ya 😅 probably even more
Yo you put out quality content so consistently! Thats so dope! I always get excited when i see you dropped a new video cause i know it'll be fire. Foreal, mad respect for your work ethic
The Retcon Gun sounds SCARY AF! I LOVE this universe! Thanks for introducing it to me! 🥰
Just FYI if you had an asteroid traveling faster than the speed of light, it would be traveling backwards in time. If you warp spacetime the asteroid wont be supraluminal the bubble of spacetime its in is. If that bubbale disappeared the asteroid would keep moving through space at its original subluminal velocity. You could get the asteroid to its target faster than light but it will hit at sublight speed. Thats how it would work IRL anyways. Thought you might find that interesting.
Aight. Time for the Black Stone Fortress video. I must know ALL of it.
I agree
You are very right about not mentioning the Celestial Orrery :D Glad it made the cut. Love this thing, it's wild.
I love your videos wes! Glad you’re getting so many sponsors.you’re one of the best!
The Celestial Orrery is the Key to the Galaxy. Hidden Tech, STCs, locations of super advanced weapons or tech from the War in Heaven Era, Humanity's or Aelder' hieghts ect.
If our fun Necron Pokemon master could use it to find something he wanted, who knows how much more is hidden and guarded jealously.
I would really love another story involving the Orrery but from the view of another race trying to access it.
Oh btw, another fun fact about the Speranza - this is often overlooked in favor of the Speranza’s Big Gun, but the speranza is also referred to as having “hypometric weapons” that simply unexist regions of space.
…this humorously means that Humanity had two types of guns that Unexisted things (as opposed to disintegration weapons like adrathic guns) and evidently one of them wasn’t hardcore enough lol
You forgot the two best parts: that it is just one of the forgotten pieces of the Sperenza, and that it sends the bridge crew techpriests into a state of absolute horror and “WTF is that”
Idk. If the retcon gun works like I think it does, that means anyone killed by it ceases to exist throughout history. So if you killed Abadon for example, then anything he ever did, simply never happened.
Wes- "phospex, the 40k equivalent of..."
Me- "phosphor weapons?"
Wes- "...napalm"
It would be cool to see a video talking about weird and obscure regiments of the gard (or even a video talking briefley about all the known regiments)
I would honestly love to see you and Neil Degras Tyson discuss the physics behind the Gravitic Trebuchet.
I don't think Neil would be very interested (too much fun)
@@chipmoi agree, from all his appearances on Rogan he seems like a pretty big jerk
Now I'm curious. What would happen if the Emperor himself were shot by the retcon gun? 🤔
The universe would suffer a BSOD.
Primarchs would disappear
Love that picture of the asteroid traveling through the planet. Been my background on my phone for a few years now off and on.
I loved this weapons but there are more advanced guns in Sci-Fi literature with far more destructive power 😅😅
For example the "Dimensional Striker" in the novel series "Three Body Problems" by Cixin Liu. When the gun strikes an object, the whole area near the strikes shrinks in dimension (for example 3D collapses into 2D) and it starts to expand from there to whole universe! And that's how they start the reality as we know it! I don't want to spoil it though, it's a beautiful series and you guys should read it if you like unforgiving universes!
P.S. this novel series is being adapted as animation by Billi Billi and a Netflix show!
There's also the Tencent TV series which is the best adaption so far. It has an amazing soundtrack to boot.
@@thermalvision203 Really, Tencent has an adaptation?!?!? I must watch that! 👍👍
@@sslelgamal5206 It's far better than Netflix's adaption. I highly recommend it.
There's no gun involved in the dimensional strike, the alien simply plucked it out of its seal and flicked it carelessly towards the solar system. It didn't strike any object as it is an already 2 dimensional object that can't interact with any of the 3 dimensional object (it passed through any 3D object and couldn't be grabbed), it simply vaporized for 71 hours before making an effect to its surrounding
The title of the war in heaven is the most fitting I’ve seen for any war ever, all the weapons from it seem to be able to just absolutely insane stuff
"Retcon gun" is what Disney has been firing all over the place!
Fact that the Necrons have the Orrery, makes them the strongest/deadliest faction. Literally a slap on the holograms wld wipe every race, and starve chaos and nids.
Ah yes, what better way to start my Sunday than learning about weapons of mass destruction ❤
nothing beats learning about the grim dark of warhammer to really start any day off fr
Alright! Weshammer video first thing on Sunday! Now that’s a good start!
Retcon Gun when used on Tyranid Hive Ships make planets re-emerge into existence. Eventually after Retconning so many Tyranids, a new race comes into the Galaxy to do battle with everyone. A race that was once eradicated by the Tyranids.
Imperium: The Blackstone fortresses are symbols of humanity's might.
Abbadon: haha ninja star go spin
Imagine the retcon gun being used by an assassin to kill leaders. Would it radically alter the world as said leader would never have existed?
Would all their actions become instantly unmade?
Would their children suddenly cease to exist?
So many questions...
Hoping that the collective Ork mind is on this list. The idea that if enough orks think something is true, it becomes real is awesome. Imagine if enough orks thought the Emperor of man came back from his time on the golden throne…
Unfortunately, it only affects the Waaaagh.
That’s not how it works
Thats not really how theyr powers work.
Funny thing about a ship that used Nova Cannons, the Emperor’s flagship the Imperator Somnium had ten of them
The retcon gun is Balefire from The Wheel of time series. It erases whatever it hits from having ever existed.
i havent watech weshammer in quite a long while. glad to be back for warhammer40k content.
Who else looked into the timecodes to see which weapons he knows everything and then thought about which super weapon is Empires and Puzzles 😅
You have to solve a Puzzle and then it has the Power to destory Empires😆
ayyyy i've been excited for another upload for a bit now, happy for this!
I clicked here faster than an ork coming into a fight
Grok and mork approve
id love to see a proper deep dive long form lore video into wither the grey knights and/or the inquisitors. there video’s out there but tbh you’re channel is the only wh channel i enjoy watching. your energy is always amazing
I've been meaning to tackle the inquisitors for a long time. I'm on book 6 of 8 of the Inquisitor series by Dan abenett. I want to have that finished before I tackle them. But I think I'm going to do a smaller video on comparing Puritan and radical inquisitors first.
In Cadia Stands, it’s said that Abbadon threw the Blackstone Fortress with so much force that crashing ships into it intentionally wasn’t enough to knock it off its trajectory even a little bit. When I think about it, I can’t help but wonder if the Black Legion got their hands on the that Necron Catapault tech
As a Stargate fan, I am 90% certain that the Blackstone Fortresses is just Anubis' mothership but squared and then taped together. Which means they were built by an overacting ham using stolen tech belonging to the Anquietas.
I gotta say I've never seen someone refer to the Ancients in their native language. I've had Jack saying "Nou ani Anquietas" burned into my brain for decades and it has finally paid off.
20:43
Group of Space marines???
More like an entire crussade thousends of ships and millions of souls strong
You should do a video about the "Sensei" for me it definitely will be a HUGE thing in the future lore.
As always thanks for the video, it's amazing.
There's a great segment in "The Forever War" (book) that discusses what would happen if a space ship traveling close to the speed of light were to hit a planet. It's cool.
I think it's pretty much confirmed the Blackstone fortresses were created by the eldar (or to be more exact, by their god Vaul) during the war in heaven if I'm not wrong. Their names for the fortresses is "the talismans of vaul". Huron Blackheart's fortress had a hidden webway gate at its centre I think, and the harlequins attempted to capture and control them again. And they make use of warp cannons technologies that use warp energies to be powered, which is very much an aeldari thing as most of their most advanced ancient tech was all powered by the warp.
Also, I'd like to mention the sun eater weapons used by the aeldari. They're literally machines capable of consuming stars, extinguishing them. I'm fairly certain the drukhari kabal of the dying sun (very subtle, I know) still have access to these weapons.
The retcon gun, aka balefire with 40k scale :D
Shout-out to the tachyon arrow which is a small wrist mounted weapon used by high level necrons. Its a one shot weapon that shoots a small sliver of metal faster than the speed of light and can destroy an imperator titan in one shot
27:56 Man I would've been shocked if it hadn't shown up in this video. The entire concept is just insane.
the retcon gun would cause major butterfly effect paradox type stuff if there was multiple people running around erasing people, people just at their home eating dinner forgetting their spouse existed and stuff
The Ret-Con gun just adds credence to the "You will not be missed." quote. Especially if the timeline remains relatively unaltered.
Honorable mention to both the fireheart and yme loc's planetary d-scythe. A D'scythe is like the killing curse in Harry Potter. It suck your soul out and banishes it into the warp. Normally, the d scythe is only used by wraithguard and the hemlock wraithfighter. However, yme loc has a Dscythe that can kill the population of an entire planet. Yme loc doesn't use this device because they are too concerned about such silly things like "ethics." The fireheart is a device now common among mist craftworlds that collapses the core of planets into dust, not only destroying life on said planet but the celestial body itself.
The retcon gun functions like Balefire in the Wheel of Time series. It’s insane
Bro rewatched this shit like 7 times
Id love to see a vid exploring inquisitors, how they achieve their rank and the training they go through.
Very much looking forward to that Blackstone Fortress video.
Damn, never heared of the breath of the gods thing. That is such a cool concept. I would also agree. It indeed does sound more destructive than the orrey.
3:28 “molecular level” would not destroy atoms or anything smaller, only seperate molecules. “Subatomic level” would be closer to being accurate but still not quite
Looking forward to the day we get a night lords deep dive
The Nova cannon, usually mounted on battle cruisers and star ships, was also the weapon aboard the Ordinatus Armageddon [Oberon] in the Helsreach story that one-shotted a Mega-Gargant.
Just got the image of an ork playing the orrery like a giant piano having the time of his life.
I like how we're getting into weapons so inconceivably powerful that our minds can barely even comprehend them. Yet when i look upon the timeline bar, we're only halfway through the video.
i love this lore. my adhd and dyslexia keep me from learning normaly (aka books) so i love this :D
I honestly don't care what you talk about, your videos are always entertaining to watch and are far too indepth while not feeling like a lecture.
Looking forward to the next entry
could be cool with a speculation or maybe even a debate video about the oldest things in Warhammer, like the "forget me" gun, the fortresses or the even more godly things, things we don't know where or who made it
Hey, I noticed the cool little hand open transition edit in the opening frame. That was nice
The retcon gun is inspired by 'balefire', a channeled ability from the Wheel of Time book series that does the same thing, where the target is not only disintegrated, it completely reweaves the Pattern like as if the person or thing was never conceived at all.
I don’t even know what warhammer is but this is too interesting to miss out on
The "retcon" gun would create grandfather paradoxes everytime it was used.
Some additions to the list:
- the c’tan-breaking weapons (pretty much all of them)
- the ship the tyranids of hive fleet Tiamat are building
- the dark age of technology f-your-reality worms (in my opinion one of the strongest weapons, just replaces a part of reality with that from another universe)
Dude shoot them across the Galaxy with that crazy trebuchet and then right as they hit the ground shoot them with the gun we can call it the "yeet and delete"
That, my friends, is Grimdark ❤️🔥🖤
You're the fucking best Wes! Thanks for the content, been sick last few days and pretty much just laid up at home. People like you that have made it somewhat tolerable. Thank you so much!
The dark age of technology fascinates me to no end. I would love to know more in that timeline of the setting. And the Gravitic Trebuchet would probably punch a meteor sized hole so quickly that it would just seem like the giant hole punched completely through the planet was just there suddenly, and the destruction that follows would be a bit delayed but disastrously catastrophic
The Retcon Gun & Black Hole Cannon sound like they came straight out of the Last Great Time War of the DoctorWhoniverse! xD
The idea of a scaled up retcon gun mouinted to a ship was actually explored in one oif STar Trek Voyager's best two parter episodes, the year of hell. I can only imagine what it would be like in 40k
Is it just me or would it be nice if the image at 7:10 was what custodes armor really looked like? semi inhuman bird heads