It has e-front curtain shutter yes - but that won’t cause any issues unless the sensor readout speed is slow - which it is not on this camera. No bokeh balls will be harmed
3:05 AF pulsing in lowlight on the A7Cii at iso 32000 vs the a7iv is surprising given how much hype the AI gets. Seems like something they should iron out with the firmware.
The a7iv is for someone who does proffesional work and the a7cii is the a7iv made compact for travel or a influencer to get great quality and all the extra AI will help someone who doesnt know much to be able to get good video with the help of Ai. I think also if you get deeper in the settings the IV got 10 bit vs 8bit on the cii which again, i think the iv is made to push the quality even more, in the first video comparison i think the iv looked more cinematic. I went for the iv and i love it. And great review.
This was a great breakdown of differences and similarities. I appreciate the quick tests to show image quality is identical (as it expected), and the detailed time stamps in the video.
Best comparison video I have seen, fantastic work! - like other commentators, I am excited to see the ZV-E1 comparison :) - I am saving up to add the A7C2 as a B cam to my ZV-E1 and general purpose hybrid/travel cam.
The AI Autofocus is way better. Totally worth selling your a7iv. On the sad note, Sony doesn’t upgrade firmware hense selling the a7iv is the best option. A7cii pared with the a6700 best of the best 😊
Great video once again, Mark! Will you do a comparison including samples between the A6700 and the A7CII? It seems that those are the models that give the most value per dollar!
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisisYou can ignore the comment I just made asking the same question since I already have my answer, but I'll leave it up for the algorithm, lol
Im just worried that the A7CII doesn't have 2 card slots. Thats my only worry. I really want all the new ai stuff and importable luts but there isn't a sony camera thats like the a7iv with that new stuff yet. Do you think it'll be safe to use the Sony A7CII at weddings and stuff with one card slot? Can you set the creators app to backup photos to your phone in real time?
you can’t really backup in real time to the creators app because it’s very slow. I’d rather get the A7iv for weddings with the two card slots, and the AI autofocus won’t come into play as much with weddings. it’s big with tracking vehicles animals, and birds. With people, the A7iv is excellent. For LUTs, you’re usually looking at an external monitor anyway and you can load LUTS into those. The A7RV actually has ai features (but not the LUT loading). A lot of people don’t care and use the one card slot because it’s rare that something goes wrong. But personally, I couldn’t take that chance.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Okay, thanks for the response! Yeah, I feel I can live without the AI stuff for now. Getting the Sony A7iv would probably be the smarter choice. Plus, I could always upgrade to the A7V once it comes out. You dah best!
Were both cameras autofocusing in the ISO examples? Near the end with the lowest light the A7CII (with its supposedly better AF) was pulsing a little but the A7IV wasn't.
Where is the A6700. I'm sure it can kick both FF camera's ass. Just kidding. But the a6700 is also one of the new kids on the block. BTW. When going aps-c mode on the A74 and CII, you are using a smaller portion of the FF sensor and that makes sense when it comes to rolling shutter. One thing I'd like Master Mark to check out and make a video on is the improvement in the sensor in the a6700 and how it is getting closer to the FF sensors in all aspects. You are right, this is exciting time, but there is one issue, $$$$. One more thing, the A74 is now badly in need of an update as the CII and a6700 outclass it in the autofocus area. That is the one area I love, the ability to follow planes, trains and automobiles, animals and insects. I can almost do without many other features in lieu of the Ai autofocus. And as many have said, no one has suffered from an SD card failure. My Nikon F2A did fine as I could load only one roll of film in the body.
Moving from APS-C to FF I am on the fence between building A7IV or A7C Il, I love compact size but bigger size is good for grip and stabilising also looks more professional. Would my best option to get A7C lI and buy a battery grip so it gets bulkier similar to A7IV and I can remove it anytime for travel ? Btw I will use prime lenses with it mostly for most bokeh
I love a big sensor and small camera. I’m enjoying ZVE1 but miss an EVF. I like A6700 but miss low light performance. I love the quality of A7IV but not the size always. A7c II seems best of all worlds. I
Hey Mark - if I shoot on an A7IV for UA-cam but want a B-Cam, does the A7C II seem like a good choice? Seems like I'd get very similar images without having to pay the extra premium for second A7 IV.
Hi Mark, This is Nick, from Sydney. I really enjoy your videos, and I have learned so many things from you. I jumped into photography two years ago as an amateur looking for some pro-quality work as a hobby rather than as a professional. I currently have the Sony ZV-E10 with four APS-C lenses (Sony E 11mm f/1.8, Sony E 70-350mm f/4.5-6.3 G, Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8, and Sigma 16mm f/1.4). I am thinking of upgrading to either the Sony A6700 or the Sony A7C II, so I would love to see a video comparing those two cameras. I am wondering if you could make such a video or at least give me your thoughts about it. Keep doing such a good job. 👍
I really notice the problem with a5 C ii in video low light. Obviously, no one will use the 100k iso but you can clearly see that from 32k the a7 iv has cleaner image and less of that green look that sony is trying to get rid of for years. In my experience I will rather have a cooler image cause its easy to edit rather than that green look on the skin. Nightmare in edit😂😂
Debating between a7c II or a7 IV I don’t care about cII only having one sd card slot. Which do you think would be best in the long run to grow into it (amateur skill right now) will use for photography and video
When you do the A7Cii/A7CR vs a6700 comparison, please do a solid comparison of the two viewfinders! Not just specs but also preference/usability; they look different to my eye, but nobody has covered it aside from disappointment that it's not as upgraded as hoped
Its so interesting to see how the Sony A7CII & Sony A7CR compared to cameras they are based on. IMO, I believe the A7CII is an "upgrade" compared to the Sony a7IV. For the Sony A7CR I see it as a "downgrade" from the Sony A7R5. Generally speaking of course.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis My take on the CR vs the RV, is that CR has additional features and cheaper at the cost of a limited EVF and screen and one and card slot...that is the $900 question that people needs to put in the balance based on their specific use cases , I am not a pro, and for me, the portability and additional features (i.e. able to load my LUTs in camera) and the price differential, the CR is the better option
Most probably it’s because of a different noise algorithm. The FX3 vs a7s3 has the same. On the FX3 it also results in a bit more noise, but also keeps a lot more details visible, whereas on the a7S3 the noise reduction is much more aggressive and a lot of details are lost. I guess Sony also tweaked the noise algorithm/noise reduction to be less aggressive on the a7cii compared to the a7IV
Great video! Do you think you could do a comparison video like this between the a6700 and a7Cii? I know a lot of the technology is the same, but I think there are enough differences between APSC and full frame to warrant it. Thanks!
Agreed, I'm real tempted to get an A7Cii/A7CR instead of a6700 and I like Sony's crop lens lineup better! Mark Galer reported that the a6700 sensor is the exact same as the A7CR sensor just cropped (so all other performance should be the same)
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis thanks for the response! Do you feel like you’re “missing out” with the AI autofocus not being on the A7iv? I’ve got to buy one or the other soon and it’s a tough decision, haha!
I don't really feel I'm missing out on the autofocus with what I shoot. But if I did a lot of animal and sports shooting, then I'd probably get the a7cii
Would like to see an A7Cii v ZVE1 face off, we know which way it will go for video, which way it will go for photos, but actually does one outweigh the other?
Moving from APS-C to FF I am on the fence between building A7IV or A7C Il, I love compact size but bigger size is good for grip and stabilising also looks more professional. Would my best option to get A7C lI and buy a battery grip so it gets bulkier similar to A7IV and I can remove it anytime for travel ? Btw I will use prime lenses with it mostly for most bokeh
if you don't need the 2 card slots for backup recording, I would probably do the a7cii because that new Ai chip is great for focus and you have the 4k30 streaming as well. You can always get and inexpensive cage if you want a bulkier look or the battery grip like you mentioned.
Thank you for a great comparison video. Your pluses for each model at the end was just perfect. Have been watching you lately and will now Subscribe. Also can you consider doing a comparison between the A7C II and the A6700 since they are also very similar?
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis would love to see a comparison in low light with the a7CII in crop mode! Interested in the A7CII but might occasionally throw on an aps-c zoom for travel.
Hey Mark, great video as always. I am really considering a7cII as an upgrade, anyway as I am fan of macro photography, I am curious if there is focus bracketing function in a7cII. Please can you check in the camera and let me know. (I know that a7iv does not have it, but a7rv does as well as a6700 and I hope Sony starts to put it in all their new cameras)
Idk if the A7C II has the mode dial as the A7 IV with the photo and video modes with the more options of setting custom things for different "styles" i would call it. If the A7C II has not the same dial than thats another avantage of the A7 IV in my opionon
looks like both have the same capability to save 3 photo settings, 3 video and 3 SQ , I use them always in my A7IV and it is the greatest option of these cameras
Lovely presentation and great work. I have one more question. In my country the a7c2 body cost 2950$ and the a74 only 2600$. Is it worth 350$ more ? Is the AF worth it? If you break down how much camera you getting per dollar witch one would you go for?
Love you and the channel. I notice perceptible differences in color tones shadows etc. is it possible that some settings weren’t accounted for? I’m trying to get a system to record UA-cam videos for my students and sports as well as travel and photo. Zv-e1 Fx30 A7c ii A6700 In contention. Any thoughts doc?
Dear Mark, this is the first comparison that answered for me a very important thing. The eye tracking or tracking feedback in general during clear image zoom, that the A74 does not. So, could you please answer another important thing : because the A74 does not offer active steady in 1080 Full HD 120fps. Also breathing comp. is only supported up to 60 fps. It does not breathing comp by using 1080 / 120fps. Can the A7cII handle active steady & breathing comp. up to 120fps (1080 HD) thanks❤
awesome review and comparison. I think Sony is confusing the heck out of everybody with that many bodies and not enough firmware upgrades. On top of that, there are more headaches from Canon and Nikon as all have similar bodies. I want to upgrade my camera and leaning towards the A7IV, Really like the 33mp sensor and Dual Card, but The headache is A7CII with the new tracking. Canon R6II and the new Nikon ZF is super nice with at least dual card slots. Why Sony, Why? Sony seems to always disappointing with many lacking features that can be put in. Anyway. sorry for the long comment. would it be possible to make a comparison of the R6II, Nikon Zf and A7CII?
I give you some advice. If you want to buy a7 iv, buy it. Trust me, you will not have regrets. In general, the sony cameras, especially their software is well done and robust so rarely you need an upgrade. A7 iv is a killer like some nikon and canon cameras. But if you want sony, go ahead, buy some nice samyang or sigma cheaper lenses and shoot. You will have fun. Don't think too much about the gear. A7 iv is already a great and powerful camera. I did have the sony a7 iii and oh boy, i miss that camera so much because of all the things I managed to create. I would buy the a7 iii again😅😅. So a7 iv is even better.....easy choice.
Thanks for sharing your comparison, I will definitely be keeping my A7IV. I just wish Sony would add that Custom User LUTs feature with a firmware update, I'm pretty sure it's possible!?
it just means that sometimes when lenses are wide open (ex f1.4) first curtain shutter can cause bokeh balls to be cut in half with a slow sensor. So you will be fine with this camera as it has a fast sensor
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Is there any reason why Sony would elect to use this with the A7cii instead of being able to shoot mechanical up to 1/8000 like you can on the A7iv?
Why does the low light performance seems to be so much worse on the A7Cii? Here for instance: ua-cam.com/video/khAXIXE4W5g/v-deo.html Did you use different apertures on the lens or is there really such a difference, camera wise?
when you get into extremes like that, the cameras can vary a little as they hunt for focus. But there does appear to be a less less artificial noise reduction on the a7cii. Sony has been doing that lately and allowing you to do your own noise reduction if necessary instead of baking it in like they used to
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis I see that it's always difficult to judge as a viewer with youtube compression applied. But I'd say, one is having a hard time trying to recover the details on the A7cii. Look at the structure of wooden wall at the end of the backyard or the shadow of the window frame/mullion back on the left, or the structure of your forehead - they are virtually absent on the A7cii.
4:00 call me crazy, but at least in this footage, rolling shutter on A7Cii is much better than A7iv. It is just my personal observation and opinion; not trying to pick up a debatr in here hommies😇👍🏼
I really want the a7c ii but I am in New Orleans and it gets hot and humid here and I don’t know how that’ll affect the overheating issues. I don’t shoot in long clips, but I shoot as I walk around inside and outside places.
Hey, can someone that owns the A7Cii tell me what MB size ranges the 3 Lossless Compressed sizes are when it comes to brackets? Could someone fire a quick test? Shoot 3 brackets 2 stops apart with the Lossless Compressed L, M, and S and tell me those numbers?
Mark, I watched all your videos in the last couple of days - I appreciate all the input. I get an educator's discount so I can get an A74 for $2248 (arrived yesterday). So, you are looking at like a $50 difference! I was thinking of getting two cameras and had ordered, received, returned the Sony A6700 (though I liked it, was thinking about waiting for the Sony A7Cii). Now, I can keep the A74 and pre-order the A7Cii (I had owned the A7C and thought the grip wasn't quite right and the EVF was weak - both updated in the A6700 and the A7Cii). The only lenses I own are the Sony 24mm F1.4 GM and the Sony 200-600mm G OSS (I shoot birds) so I have room for any direction. I was thinking of keeping the A74 just because of the Sony 200-600 lens, but I could get two Sony A7Cii camera (get one of each!). What do you think? What other lenses if I stay full frame (was thinking Sigma 28-70, Tamron 28-75)? Thanks!
Robert, I have several GM lenses (including the 24 1.4) , and also have the Tamron 28-75, this lens is excellent and would be on the same level of the GM series. My favorite lenses (mostly family events and portraits) are: Sony 35 1.4, Sigma 50 1.4, Sony 135 1.8 (the best lens I've ever owned) and Sony 100-400 G (for sports). I shoot them with the A7IV, just ordered the A7CR to complete my set, they complement nicely (I think the new grip for the A7CII/CR will be a must when using large lenses), the CII with grip would be $2,350, the CR comes with the grip, so, price difference is $650, and you get better video at 4K P60 (1.1. top vs 1.5) and a ability to crop to your heart content, also, I tested extensively the A7RV. vs the A7IV and the IQ for portraits of the R sensor, in my opinion and observation, is a bit better than the A7IV
I love the A7iv so I am keeping mine as well. the a7cii or the r are great compliments. you have two great lenses. the sigma 28-70 or Tamron 28-75 are superb and you can’t go wrong there. of course there is the 24-70 GM II which is great but expensive. if you like shooting portraits, look at the 85 1.4 art from sigma. f you need wide for landscapes, the new 16-35 GM II is amazing
A74 might go for 40 minutes at 4k60 before shutting down. Then when you press record again another 20minutes then 5 minutes each time with battery door open. I just saw it happen with fashion show that was a long one. That’s why I bought the fx30 but stupidly brought the iv because I had still job a couple hours after fashion show and didn’t want to bring 2 cameras. It definitely shuts down on 4k60
a7iv is more cleaner picture glad to know that my more expensive a7iv is not fully outdated. but damn the clear image zoom,ai focus and user luts for less money makes me sigh hahaha
Does the new A7CII allow for an eyecup on the EVF? I saw that the old one did not. You had to buy a 3rd party one that slid into the hot shoe. Would like it to be like A6700 but am guessing it doesn’t allow the silicone eyecup to slide on
A7cii not support type A memory card. But All-i bit rate 600mb... which card best for cii ? I am little bit confused about a7iv or a7cii. Basically I am a wedding photographer. My need both photography and Cinematography.
Now the real question, is it worth upgrading from the A7C to the 2? That's the real question here. Or, do I go with the ZV-E1 and run both cameras for different reasons?!
So....basically you're saying A7Cii is better, since most of the A7IV advantages can be replaced (2 cards: just record on Ninja, Full size HDMI: just get adapter on cage micro to full HDMI, Joystick, extra buttons: just more clicks on A7Cii) while the advantages of A7Cii can't be replaced like Auto focus, better IBIS, updated touch screen, USB-C streaming, cheaper, lighter, etc.
the a7iv has some advantages in terms of performance with a higher mechanical shutter speed (1/8000) and a higher flash sync speed. But of course a better EVF is nice too and you can't replace two card slots with a ninja v for photos.
Missed the fact that the A7C 2 doesn’t have a true mechanical shutter. And the max flash sync speed is only 1/160.
It has e-front curtain shutter yes - but that won’t cause any issues unless the sensor readout speed is slow - which it is not on this camera. No bokeh balls will be harmed
I didn't think of the max sync speed. That's a good point. I've preordered it
1/160 isn’t bad. Not like 1/30 of zv-e1. Can just bring light down with nd filter instead of doing HSS
Does that mean you can't do HSS on cii?
@@pitushing93 apparently you can do HSS
3:05 AF pulsing in lowlight on the A7Cii at iso 32000 vs the a7iv is surprising given how much hype the AI gets. Seems like something they should iron out with the firmware.
The best Video I´ve seen so far about the a7cii and a7iv. Every info we need to know + more! 10/10🔥
I appreciate that!
The a7iv is for someone who does proffesional work and the a7cii is the a7iv made compact for travel or a influencer to get great quality and all the extra AI will help someone who doesnt know much to be able to get good video with the help of Ai. I think also if you get deeper in the settings the IV got 10 bit vs 8bit on the cii which again, i think the iv is made to push the quality even more, in the first video comparison i think the iv looked more cinematic. I went for the iv and i love it.
And great review.
The cii Record in 10-bit 4:2:2
@@AdamA-g3c oh. in another review it said it didnt
OMG! Very nice comparison. I like every video of this channel.
This was a great breakdown of differences and similarities. I appreciate the quick tests to show image quality is identical (as it expected), and the detailed time stamps in the video.
You’re the first I’ve come across that actually compared low light between the two, great stuff!
Best comparison video I have seen, fantastic work! - like other commentators, I am excited to see the ZV-E1 comparison :) - I am saving up to add the A7C2 as a B cam to my ZV-E1 and general purpose hybrid/travel cam.
The AI Autofocus is way better. Totally worth selling your a7iv. On the sad note, Sony doesn’t upgrade firmware hense selling the a7iv is the best option. A7cii pared with the a6700 best of the best 😊
You’re a photographer or a videographer?
I do mostly portrait photography with bokeh. I’m not sure if sacrificing joy stick and mechanical shutter for the AI AF is worth it.
Great video once again, Mark! Will you do a comparison including samples between the A6700 and the A7CII? It seems that those are the models that give the most value per dollar!
On the way
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisisYou can ignore the comment I just made asking the same question since I already have my answer, but I'll leave it up for the algorithm, lol
Bro please make a comparison video of a7c2 vs a6700
@Mark Bennett's Camera Crisis I been waiting months for this video!
Im just worried that the A7CII doesn't have 2 card slots. Thats my only worry. I really want all the new ai stuff and importable luts but there isn't a sony camera thats like the a7iv with that new stuff yet. Do you think it'll be safe to use the Sony A7CII at weddings and stuff with one card slot? Can you set the creators app to backup photos to your phone in real time?
you can’t really backup in real time to the creators app because it’s very slow. I’d rather get the A7iv for weddings with the two card slots, and the AI autofocus won’t come into play as much with weddings. it’s big with tracking vehicles animals, and birds. With people, the A7iv is excellent. For LUTs, you’re usually looking at an external monitor anyway and you can load LUTS into those. The A7RV actually has ai features (but not the LUT loading). A lot of people don’t care and use the one card slot because it’s rare that something goes wrong. But personally, I couldn’t take that chance.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Okay, thanks for the response! Yeah, I feel I can live without the AI stuff for now. Getting the Sony A7iv would probably be the smarter choice. Plus, I could always upgrade to the A7V once it comes out. You dah best!
I think best value camera right now is A6700 !
I tend to agree
Were both cameras autofocusing in the ISO examples? Near the end with the lowest light the A7CII (with its supposedly better AF) was pulsing a little but the A7IV wasn't.
Where is the A6700. I'm sure it can kick both FF camera's ass. Just kidding. But the a6700 is also one of the new kids on the block. BTW. When going aps-c mode on the A74 and CII, you are using a smaller portion of the FF sensor and that makes sense when it comes to rolling shutter. One thing I'd like Master Mark to check out and make a video on is the improvement in the sensor in the a6700 and how it is getting closer to the FF sensors in all aspects. You are right, this is exciting time, but there is one issue, $$$$.
One more thing, the A74 is now badly in need of an update as the CII and a6700 outclass it in the autofocus area. That is the one area I love, the ability to follow planes, trains and automobiles, animals and insects. I can almost do without many other features in lieu of the Ai autofocus. And as many have said, no one has suffered from an SD card failure. My Nikon F2A did fine as I could load only one roll of film in the body.
Moving from APS-C to FF I am on the fence between building A7IV or A7C Il, I love compact size but bigger size is good for grip and stabilising also looks more professional. Would my best option to get A7C lI and buy a battery grip so it gets bulkier similar to A7IV and I can remove it anytime for travel ? Btw I will use prime lenses with it mostly for most bokeh
You look a little like Chris Nolan lol
I love a big sensor and small camera. I’m enjoying ZVE1 but miss an EVF. I like A6700 but miss low light performance. I love the quality of A7IV but not the size always. A7c II seems best of all worlds. I
Except the EVF on the c series is very small and low quality
Hey Mark - if I shoot on an A7IV for UA-cam but want a B-Cam, does the A7C II seem like a good choice? Seems like I'd get very similar images without having to pay the extra premium for second A7 IV.
Or the zve1
Hi Mark, This is Nick, from Sydney. I really enjoy your videos, and I have learned so many things from you. I jumped into photography two years ago as an amateur looking for some pro-quality work as a hobby rather than as a professional. I currently have the Sony ZV-E10 with four APS-C lenses (Sony E 11mm f/1.8, Sony E 70-350mm f/4.5-6.3 G, Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8, and Sigma 16mm f/1.4). I am thinking of upgrading to either the Sony A6700 or the Sony A7C II, so I would love to see a video comparing those two cameras. I am wondering if you could make such a video or at least give me your thoughts about it. Keep doing such a good job. 👍
that video is on the way
@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Thanks mate! By the way, your style is amazing ;)
Great video Mark. Now do a comparison on the A7C ll vs A6700 😊
on the way
I really notice the problem with a5 C ii in video low light. Obviously, no one will use the 100k iso but you can clearly see that from 32k the a7 iv has cleaner image and less of that green look that sony is trying to get rid of for years. In my experience I will rather have a cooler image cause its easy to edit rather than that green look on the skin. Nightmare in edit😂😂
Debating between a7c II or a7 IV
I don’t care about cII only having one sd card slot.
Which do you think would be best in the long run to grow into it (amateur skill right now) will use for photography and video
if you don’t mind the one card slot, I would get the a7cii
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis thanks
When you do the A7Cii/A7CR vs a6700 comparison, please do a solid comparison of the two viewfinders! Not just specs but also preference/usability; they look different to my eye, but nobody has covered it aside from disappointment that it's not as upgraded as hoped
they are essentially the same. 2.36 million dot and the magnification is .71 (35mm equiv) on the a6700 vs .70 on the a7cii
Thanks, must just look different in pictures then!
Its so interesting to see how the Sony A7CII & Sony A7CR compared to cameras they are based on. IMO, I believe the A7CII is an "upgrade" compared to the Sony a7IV. For the Sony A7CR I see it as a "downgrade" from the Sony A7R5. Generally speaking of course.
yes, I can see that logic
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis My take on the CR vs the RV, is that CR has additional features and cheaper at the cost of a limited EVF and screen and one and card slot...that is the $900 question that people needs to put in the balance based on their specific use cases , I am not a pro, and for me, the portability and additional features (i.e. able to load my LUTs in camera) and the price differential, the CR is the better option
That is why price difference is much bigger.
I don't understand why the low light performance is worse on the C2 when its the same sensor
Most probably it’s because of a different noise algorithm.
The FX3 vs a7s3 has the same.
On the FX3 it also results in a bit more noise, but also keeps a lot more details visible, whereas on the a7S3 the noise reduction is much more aggressive and a lot of details are lost.
I guess Sony also tweaked the noise algorithm/noise reduction to be less aggressive on the a7cii compared to the a7IV
very helpful, thank you
Amazing level of details. Thanks for sharing.
Is it me, or did you redo the lighting or coloring of you videos? Whatever it is, looks really good Mark, as well as just overall editing is on point.
Audio too?
yea, tweaked the lighting and audio. thanks for noticing
Great video! Do you think you could do a comparison video like this between the a6700 and a7Cii? I know a lot of the technology is the same, but I think there are enough differences between APSC and full frame to warrant it. Thanks!
On the way
Agreed, I'm real tempted to get an A7Cii/A7CR instead of a6700 and I like Sony's crop lens lineup better!
Mark Galer reported that the a6700 sensor is the exact same as the A7CR sensor just cropped (so all other performance should be the same)
Man! About $800 US more than the a6700. Hmmm... I'm not excited now but maybe the price is wrong? Maybe I'm not getting something?
FF can not be cheaper than $2k today.
That a law!
Maybe so!... ;)@@severgun
All specs aside, do you gravitate to one or the other to just pick and go shoot?
Probably the A7IV - for photos - I like the bigger EVF and for video I like the full size HDMI
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis thanks for the response! Do you feel like you’re “missing out” with the AI autofocus not being on the A7iv? I’ve got to buy one or the other soon and it’s a tough decision, haha!
I don't really feel I'm missing out on the autofocus with what I shoot. But if I did a lot of animal and sports shooting, then I'd probably get the a7cii
Would like to see an A7Cii v ZVE1 face off, we know which way it will go for video, which way it will go for photos, but actually does one outweigh the other?
on the way
Moving from APS-C to FF I am on the fence between building A7IV or A7C Il, I love compact size but bigger size is good for grip and stabilising also looks more professional. Would my best option to get A7C lI and buy a battery grip so it gets bulkier similar to A7IV and I can remove it anytime for travel ? Btw I will use prime lenses with it mostly for most bokeh
if you don't need the 2 card slots for backup recording, I would probably do the a7cii because that new Ai chip is great for focus and you have the 4k30 streaming as well. You can always get and inexpensive cage if you want a bulkier look or the battery grip like you mentioned.
Thank you for a great comparison video. Your pluses for each model at the end was just perfect. Have been watching you lately and will now Subscribe. Also can you consider doing a comparison between the A7C II and the A6700 since they are also very similar?
yes indeed - on the way
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis would love to see a comparison in low light with the a7CII in crop mode! Interested in the A7CII but might occasionally throw on an aps-c zoom for travel.
Hey Mark, great video as always. I am really considering a7cII as an upgrade, anyway as I am fan of macro photography, I am curious if there is focus bracketing function in a7cII. Please can you check in the camera and let me know. (I know that a7iv does not have it, but a7rv does as well as a6700 and I hope Sony starts to put it in all their new cameras)
They do say it has focus bracketing in the product release on Sonys website
Hey, Mark I love your videos, I wanted your opinion on better value the a7cii vs a6700?
Idk if the A7C II has the mode dial as the A7 IV with the photo and video modes with the more options of setting custom things for different "styles" i would call it. If the A7C II has not the same dial than thats another avantage of the A7 IV in my opionon
looks like both have the same capability to save 3 photo settings, 3 video and 3 SQ , I use them always in my A7IV and it is the greatest option of these cameras
Lovely presentation and great work. I have one more question. In my country the a7c2 body cost 2950$ and the a74 only 2600$. Is it worth 350$ more ? Is the AF worth it? If you break down how much camera you getting per dollar witch one would you go for?
no - I would get the a74
Love you and the channel. I notice perceptible differences in color tones shadows etc. is it possible that some settings weren’t accounted for?
I’m trying to get a system to record UA-cam videos for my students and sports as well as travel and photo.
Zv-e1
Fx30
A7c ii
A6700
In contention. Any thoughts doc?
I think the a7cii would be best for what you want,
Dear Mark, this is the first comparison that answered for me a very important thing. The eye tracking or tracking feedback in general during clear image zoom, that the A74 does not. So, could you please answer another important thing : because the A74 does not offer active steady in 1080 Full HD 120fps. Also breathing comp. is only supported up to 60 fps. It does not breathing comp by using 1080 / 120fps. Can the A7cII handle active steady & breathing comp. up to 120fps (1080 HD) thanks❤
I had to give the camera back, but as far as I know you still won’t get active stabilization in 120 or focus breathing comp
awesome review and comparison. I think Sony is confusing the heck out of everybody with that many bodies and not enough firmware upgrades. On top of that, there are more headaches from Canon and Nikon as all have similar bodies. I want to upgrade my camera and leaning towards the A7IV, Really like the 33mp sensor and Dual Card, but The headache is A7CII with the new tracking. Canon R6II and the new Nikon ZF is super nice with at least dual card slots. Why Sony, Why? Sony seems to always disappointing with many lacking features that can be put in. Anyway. sorry for the long comment. would it be possible to make a comparison of the R6II, Nikon Zf and A7CII?
I give you some advice. If you want to buy a7 iv, buy it. Trust me, you will not have regrets. In general, the sony cameras, especially their software is well done and robust so rarely you need an upgrade. A7 iv is a killer like some nikon and canon cameras. But if you want sony, go ahead, buy some nice samyang or sigma cheaper lenses and shoot. You will have fun. Don't think too much about the gear. A7 iv is already a great and powerful camera. I did have the sony a7 iii and oh boy, i miss that camera so much because of all the things I managed to create. I would buy the a7 iii again😅😅. So a7 iv is even better.....easy choice.
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Thanks for sharing your comparison, I will definitely be keeping my A7IV. I just wish Sony would add that Custom User LUTs feature with a firmware update, I'm pretty sure it's possible!?
I’d like that too
Almost all features of 7C2 are software. Sony will never add them to older models.
Nope I dont think gonna happen, sony will make it A7V instead
@reyhanrahadian You're right, they sure will!
I’m reading that the EFS (electronic first shutter) affects the quality of bokeh. Can you test that?
it just means that sometimes when lenses are wide open (ex f1.4) first curtain shutter can cause bokeh balls to be cut in half with a slow sensor. So you will be fine with this camera as it has a fast sensor
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Is there any reason why Sony would elect to use this with the A7cii instead of being able to shoot mechanical up to 1/8000 like you can on the A7iv?
Any issues with the weight of the a7cII on a tripod with heavy lens?
all the really big lenses have collars for tripods and and A7CII is fine with everything
The silver look different from the original a7c or I'm just imagining..?
Why does the low light performance seems to be so much worse on the A7Cii? Here for instance: ua-cam.com/video/khAXIXE4W5g/v-deo.html Did you use different apertures on the lens or is there really such a difference, camera wise?
when you get into extremes like that, the cameras can vary a little as they hunt for focus. But there does appear to be a less less artificial noise reduction on the a7cii. Sony has been doing that lately and allowing you to do your own noise reduction if necessary instead of baking it in like they used to
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis I see that it's always difficult to judge as a viewer with youtube compression applied. But I'd say, one is having a hard time trying to recover the details on the A7cii. Look at the structure of wooden wall at the end of the backyard or the shadow of the window frame/mullion back on the left, or the structure of your forehead - they are virtually absent on the A7cii.
Likewise, the A7cii shows quite a bit of focus hunting in the high iso tests, whereas the other cameras, you tested it against, do not.
How does the cII compare to the 7IV with big lenses. Is the 7CII okay in handling while using a 70-200 or even 200-600?
Yeah - it's fine. Its grip is still decent and with big lenses like that, you support by holding the lens anyway.
4:00 call me crazy, but at least in this footage, rolling shutter on A7Cii is much better than A7iv.
It is just my personal observation and opinion; not trying to pick up a debatr in here hommies😇👍🏼
Can you do a comparison between the a7c2 vs a7s3?
I really want the a7c ii but I am in New Orleans and it gets hot and humid here and I don’t know how that’ll affect the overheating issues. I don’t shoot in long clips, but I shoot as I walk around inside and outside places.
you should be fine with the a7cii - especially if you don’t shoot long clips. just make sure the internal temp is set to high
Im very unsure which to be because of the efcs. Can someone help me?
Hey, can someone that owns the A7Cii tell me what MB size ranges the 3 Lossless Compressed sizes are when it comes to brackets?
Could someone fire a quick test? Shoot 3 brackets 2 stops apart with the Lossless Compressed L, M, and S and tell me those numbers?
which one do you think is more suitable for shooing video of Motorcycle movement?
Will you do A7C II vs A6700?
Yes indeed
Very useful comparison. Thanks.
Super work as usual Mark!
Mark, I watched all your videos in the last couple of days - I appreciate all the input. I get an educator's discount so I can get an A74 for $2248 (arrived yesterday). So, you are looking at like a $50 difference! I was thinking of getting two cameras and had ordered, received, returned the Sony A6700 (though I liked it, was thinking about waiting for the Sony A7Cii). Now, I can keep the A74 and pre-order the A7Cii (I had owned the A7C and thought the grip wasn't quite right and the EVF was weak - both updated in the A6700 and the A7Cii). The only lenses I own are the Sony 24mm F1.4 GM and the Sony 200-600mm G OSS (I shoot birds) so I have room for any direction. I was thinking of keeping the A74 just because of the Sony 200-600 lens, but I could get two Sony A7Cii camera (get one of each!). What do you think? What other lenses if I stay full frame (was thinking Sigma 28-70, Tamron 28-75)? Thanks!
Robert, I have several GM lenses (including the 24 1.4) , and also have the Tamron 28-75, this lens is excellent and would be on the same level of the GM series. My favorite lenses (mostly family events and portraits) are: Sony 35 1.4, Sigma 50 1.4, Sony 135 1.8 (the best lens I've ever owned) and Sony 100-400 G (for sports). I shoot them with the A7IV, just ordered the A7CR to complete my set, they complement nicely (I think the new grip for the A7CII/CR will be a must when using large lenses), the CII with grip would be $2,350, the CR comes with the grip, so, price difference is $650, and you get better video at 4K P60 (1.1. top vs 1.5) and a ability to crop to your heart content, also, I tested extensively the A7RV. vs the A7IV and the IQ for portraits of the R sensor, in my opinion and observation, is a bit better than the A7IV
I love the A7iv so I am keeping mine as well. the a7cii or the r are great compliments. you have two great lenses. the sigma 28-70 or Tamron 28-75 are superb and you can’t go wrong there. of course there is the 24-70 GM II which is great but expensive. if you like shooting portraits, look at the 85 1.4 art from sigma. f you need wide for landscapes, the new 16-35 GM II is amazing
Is there a delay after clicking? Screen going black?
A74 might go for 40 minutes at 4k60 before shutting down. Then when you press record again another 20minutes then 5 minutes each time with battery door open. I just saw it happen with fashion show that was a long one. That’s why I bought the fx30 but stupidly brought the iv because I had still job a couple hours after fashion show and didn’t want to bring 2 cameras. It definitely shuts down on 4k60
a7iv is more cleaner picture glad to know that my more expensive a7iv is not fully outdated. but damn the clear image zoom,ai focus and user luts for less money makes me sigh hahaha
Mark thank you for your excellent comparison, I will choose A7C Mark II for AI sensor.
Which one is better to get a7c 2 for 2200$ or lumix s5 2?
hi, can you use the lot for the hdmi output?? and in video mode the A7c2 cant do 1/8000??
If anyone can help... I'm trying to confirm if the A7C2 has 4K60 without any crop. Thanks in advance.
the a7c2 has a 1.5 crop in 4k60 like the 7iv
you are not a loser!
Does the new A7CII allow for an eyecup on the EVF? I saw that the old one did not. You had to buy a 3rd party one that slid into the hot shoe. Would like it to be like A6700 but am guessing it doesn’t allow the silicone eyecup to slide on
Bought an A7iv a month ago 🤡
I am keeping my a7iv. I love the a7cii - but I don’t want to part with my a7iv
I want a job in Canada i have experience of all video editing graphics design etc..
Not a big fan of the A7IV mechanical shutter sound. Is it the same in the A7C II or did they change it?
Damn A7CII color science is that good compare to A7IV
A7cii not support type A memory card. But All-i bit rate 600mb... which card best for cii ? I am little bit confused about a7iv or a7cii. Basically I am a wedding photographer. My need both photography and Cinematography.
get a Sony tough G card
I see a difference in color and sharpness which confused me since they’re the same sensor? Any insight ?
AH! I was looking at the A6700 later this fall - now wondering which would be the better investment? Still have my eye on the FX30 (I'm a video guy).
17/10/2023 II stayed with the a73 and waited for the a7v
Now the real question, is it worth upgrading from the A7C to the 2? That's the real question here. Or, do I go with the ZV-E1 and run both cameras for different reasons?!
oh - that’s tough. if you don’t plan to shoot log footage, it would be probably best to use your A7C and have the zv-e1 for 4k120 and stabilization
Guys in a dilemma a6700 or A7c ii
that is different cameras with very different price
@@severgun breaking down specs wise there not far off
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Welcome!!
Has anyone told you that you look like Christopher Nolan?
Wow i see🙌
Does a7cii have dual base iso?
not officially, but it does at 2500 like the a7iv
And you look like Christopher Nolan ❤️
Great comparision. Pl make video on a7c ii vs zf. And a7c ii vs canon counterpart you feel right as.
So....basically you're saying A7Cii is better, since most of the A7IV advantages can be replaced (2 cards: just record on Ninja, Full size HDMI: just get adapter on cage micro to full HDMI, Joystick, extra buttons: just more clicks on A7Cii) while the advantages of A7Cii can't be replaced like Auto focus, better IBIS, updated touch screen, USB-C streaming, cheaper, lighter, etc.
the a7iv has some advantages in terms of performance with a higher mechanical shutter speed (1/8000) and a higher flash sync speed. But of course a better EVF is nice too and you can't replace two card slots with a ninja v for photos.
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Will the new 16-35 gmII be the BEST VLOG lens for full frame?
Of topic a bit but I wish they’d put the AI chip in the FX30. That would be awesome
Hi Thierry
The battery for sony zv e1 does it work good?
I use my shirt cut buttons alit so the A7iv is still my number 1 but I would like to have the AI chip
ZV-E1 vs A7C II for Vlogging
That will be coming in a vid - but overall the e1 is better for that
How about an A7C II vs ZVE1 comparo too?!
Thanks for another solid video!
I just want focus bracketing on the a7iv maybe those 7 stops of ibis too its the same hardware