Correction: the a7 IV doesn't have Insect/Car/Train/Airplane tracking. Just Human/Animal/Bird. Also, the "checkmark" for IBIS should've went to the A7C II.
Indeed! And those check marks (that mean absolutely nothing, really ;-) for the better IBIS, should have been given to the A7C2, not the other one - hey I noticed, all right?! ;-) PS: I’m using the original A7C as my webcam for at least 2 years now, and I got the mark 2 like within a month since its release, and I absolutely LOVE it. What a great camera! And that AF is absolutely phenomenal! Complements my A1 beautifully. Really good stuff! Love it! :-)
Seems like Sony could have added the other tracking for the A7iv in a firmware update for its loyal customers. Not a huge upgrade keeping us from updating to the next camera, but enough to show us we aren't extinct.
Back when I had my old D3100 I lost two days of shooting due to a card malfunction that rendered that card useless, fortunately i was just shooting an event i paid to see , so the photos were for my own enjoyment but since then having two card slots is my number one priority, you can give me the best of the best settings if it doesn't have an extra card slot I'm not buying it from
I owned the a7iv and swapped to the a7cii, LOVE it. I do sports/wildlife. The autofocus is noticeably superior in the a7cii over the a7iv. plus, the .5 lb difference helps me a good bit since I have a spinal fracture. I use it all the time and i love the a7cii! resolution is perfect, sensor produces gorgeous image quality that is easily croppable if you must, excellent low light performance and that autofocus makes it a huge win over the a7iv any day for me. The added dial on the front is a gamechanger too for those of us who shoot in manual, so I definitely recommend it over the original a7c and the a7iv.
All those reasons is why my A7iv is on EBay. For travel, this camera is great. Now if Sony would make some lightweight zoom lenses, like the 16-35 f4 lens. The new version is great to carry.
@amandatorres4862, I have severe back pain but I am interested of buying either the A7cii or the a6700 since both are light cameras. Re the a7cii, do you mind if I ask you which lenses do you use please? Thanks
@@popaine1 keeping things light is definitely my priority for that reason! The lenses I use are the tamron 28-75 2.8 g2, tamron 70-180 2.8 g2, and sony 100-400gm w the 1.4x tele. The GM is a little too heavy for me w/ the 1.4x tele but i dont use it often and when i do its awesome . I also had the sigma 100-400 and i loved it, that extra .5 lb makes a difference. Depends what you shoot, but i love using the 100-400 on the apsc sensor. I had the a7iv and the 100-400 gm was too heavy w that setup. The a7cii made the GM more manageable for me :) Hope you find a perfect setup for your back! Most lenses are so high quality now a days, i would totally save weight and get a third party lighter option when its available.
I went with the A7IV because: 1. Used you can get them cheaper than a A7CII (have seen them as low as $1700 in local markets in good shape) 2. I like that you can turn on a setting where the mechanical shutter stays closed to help prevent dust getting to the sensor, especially when changing lenses. This gives me a tiny piece of mind if I ever have to change a lens on a hike or something 3. The EVF is much better, especially when it’s bright outside (once again, do a lot of hikes) 4. I like the joystick for AF points on some occasions. The biggest pro for me of the A7C is the size, but honestly it’s not THAT much smaller, like if you were comparing it to say, an XT30.
Hi , wanting to address your nr.2 . I've read that there are people who say it is a very bad option because the sensor is protected by a glass film , so fairly easy to clean , but lord be hold if something where to get stuck on those shutter blades , they are slim and very fragile . Might want to consider that one ? But this resulted on my own research , I do not own a mark IV yet but probably will in a short while.
For street photography, it's the a7Cii. I sold my Leica Q3 (the stereotypical street photography camera) and went to the a7Cii in order to get interchangeable lenses with the same small size and light weight. Sony's EF 40mm f/2.5 is an incredible, tiny, high quality street photography lens that's the perfect focal length for how I like to do street photography. At the end of the day, the a7Cii, plus lens, cost half what the Leica costs and it's a much more advanced -- dare I say "better" -- camera with a more useful focal length. The a7Cii is my first Sony and it's incredibly fun to shoot with. It ALMOST tempts me to switch from Canon to Sony . . . but, no. I bought this Sony because Canon doesn't make anything like it.
@@ChristianErnestHizon No, I'm not really interested in the Zf. I see the Zf as more of a fashion statement camera. The a7Cii meets my needs perfectly. In all black, it's a very nice, low profile camera.
For street photography which of these three lenses would you pick for the A7cii and would you wait for the A7V? **Sony FE 24mm f/2.8 G 5.7 oz **Sony FE 40mm f/2.5 G 6 oz **Sony Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 9.9 oz Total 2.45 lb. And or *Sony Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 4 oz. * Sony FE 50mm f/2.5 G Lens 6 oz Sony FE 85mm f/1.8 13 oz.
I use an A7C as a back up to my dual card slot main camera. A couple of things that are important to mention are that the A7C II only has an electronic front curtain shutter. I find portraits on bright days at wide apertures to have cut off, and distracting bokeh. The A7C II also has a lower sync speed of 1/160th which I find to be a little low.
Honestly the biggest gimp of a7CII. Its a no go for anyone that uses flash.1/160th is just slow enough to cause blurring and you cant even compensate with HSS because EFCS with HSS flash causes banding.
@@depannist As with the a7C and Canon's EOS R8, the A7C II lacks a mechanical first curtain shutter, relying instead of an electronic first curtain (EFCS). This means the exposure is started electronically but finished with a mechanical shutter. In almost all situations, the results are indistinguishable from using mechanical blades to start and end the exposure. The only downside is that if you use a very bright aperture lens and shoot at very high shutter speeds, the blurred 'bokeh' in the background will be less smooth than it should be. Point light sources that should be rendered as attractive circles will have their lower edge cut off. But this only happens in very specific circumstances.
Been using the A7Cii for a month with the FE 35mm f1.8 and the 20-70 F4 G. Its been absolutely fantastic for me. Fit, form and function. I am really happy going to this over the A7IV.
This Nikon user switched to the A7C which is half the price used, and now I own the A7CII. Just pair it with some light/small/affordable Tamron f2.8 zoom lenses and some Samyang primes. BOOM! I shoot HEIF+HLG for neutral colors. "Close enough to raw!"
Do you use it only for video or photo and video? Today I only use the D750 for photos, but I want to migrate to Sony to take photos and videos more efficiently. A7Cii or A7iv in this case?
Read out speed is one area Sony is a long way behind Canon and it would be nice if they could improve. The A7V whenever it comes out needs to do a least 20 fps to get close to some of Canons entry level cameras. Do that and give it the rear screen on the A7RV and the new body shape from the A9III and they have a winner.
I own the a7CII, A7III, & A7Cr for professional photography & by far my fav & easiest to use/work with is my a7CII! It’s literally my main camera for everything. Sometimes I’ll use the a7Cr for landscape & architecture photos, but I love my a7CII. I love when I whip this camera out ppl think it’s so “cute”, but when they see the results they always get blown away! I love all my cameras, but by far my fav is the a7CII!
For street photography which of these three lenses would you pick for the A7cii and would you wait for the A7V? **Sony FE 24mm f/2.8 G 5.7 oz **Sony FE 40mm f/2.5 G 6 oz **Sony Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 9.9 oz Total 2.45 lb. And or *Sony Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 4 oz. * Sony FE 50mm f/2.5 G Lens 6 oz Sony FE 85mm f/1.8 13 oz.
Heya! I'm looking at upgrading my A7III. Do you think the A7IV is still a good upgrade now? Or better to wait for A7V which I dunno yet when it will come out. Thanks!
Love the video mate, I shoot airshows as a hobby, and want to upgrade from my heavy/bigger Nikon D7500, I wonder if there's any particular advice on these or any other Sony alpha camera for that purpose you can advice? thanks again!!
One gripe coming from canon user and using the a7cr as my second cam. Why can you not choose what info to have displayed on the screen at the same time. Having the level and the histogram at the same time surely isn’t to much to ask. 🤔🤔. Also they do seem to be dust magnets, never had to correct so many dust spots😂. I do love the form factor of the a7cr.
My biggest issue with my ZV-E1 is the LCD screen is garbage, it's hard to judge focus and it's not bright enough outside (even set to sunny day mode). Even on the Fuji X-S20 the LCD is so much nicer. Is the LCD on the A7 IV any better?
if I want a second camera to shoot alongside a7rv - would you go with zv-e1 or this 7cii? I’m torn between both. The 7cii doesn’t sacrifice that much video?
I sold my a7iv and bought the a7cii, sold my a7siii bought the zve1. If you are looking for the 2nd camera to be more for video definitely get the zve1. More photo focused then get the a7cii.
The Sony A74 is on my radar. I have seen a Sony A74 body only mint condition for £1,900 UK pounds. The Sony A7C Mark 2 looks great. But I do like the two SD Card Slot and the EVF in the middle of the camera body. So the Sony A74 is for me
I think another important feature between both is the joy stick. The A7 IV has the joy stick so you can adjust the point without having to pull that camera away from your face. Meanwhile the A7cii is solely touch screen and you would have to pull the camera away from your face to select a new point. If you already rely on mostly using the touch screen to change your point or shoot using the screen opposed to the view finder, it might not make a difference but still a feature to consider
Not sure about the A7cii, but with the A6700 you can move the focus point with the D-pad. The center button toggles between function mode and joystick mode. Since A7cii and A6700 have very similar bodies, I'd guess it's the same.
I have an A7iv and an A6700 with the same control layout as the A7C ii. The a7iv has an 8 way joystick to move the focus point. None on the A7C ii. You have to toggle the D-pad constantly between iso etc and control of focus point. A real pain.
Also have both and I still struggle to find the joystick on the A7iv., my thumb recognizes the D-pad more easily. But I use manual with auto ISO, so I don't have to toggle much.
I want to replace my a6000 this year, and I was looking between these two, and a used a7riv. I think between these two the a7c II wins. That one has to compete with a used a7riv. Suggestion’s anyone?
Can you do a comparison between the Z30 and the ZVE-10? I’ve been shooting new york with the Z30 and the ZVE-10 seems to get consistently more praise and I’m confused as to why
If you're happy with the Z30 stick with it. Sony has better AF (twice the AF points,) lens selection (Sony 15f1.4G alone,) headphone port, non-app remote control, 1/3 longer battery life, lighter, smaller. S-log with catalyst browse software-based stabilization.
The price difference makes it possible to get the attachable grip for the A7C II and still pay about the same overall as for the A7 IV, which makes the A7C II an ideal adjustable "chameleon" suitable for anything from landscape to events to street photography. The dust protective shield is only on the A7 IV though, and the A7C II doesn't have full mechanical shutter. It really is a difficult decision because there are some serious tradeoffs in both directions.
I believe you have me pulling the trigger on the a7cii. In many years I have never had an SD card go bad. knock on wood. and for the price I feel I would be getting more punch for money.
@@spenson89 it’s inconsistent. There are times it can record more than an hour without over heating and there are times it shuts off after 40-55 mins. I film moving subjects continuously and not a static talking head.
I've tried both and ... I'm still stumped. The AI AF isn't groundbreaking. I guess it helps, but what matters is actually doing the focus and both cameras do that. The only difference is that A7CII seems to "jump" to the eyes of insects faster. As for train/airplane recognition ... it seems to try to hunt for cockpit but whatever. The 7 EV of IBIS makes no difference whatsoever.They both suffer from RS, visibly, I was told one could get it under control via mechanical shutter on A7 IV, no idea how. I like the EVF placement on A7IV (also better EVF).
How come reviewers don't realise that the A7c cameras are designed to fit in your pocket? The EVF on the side keeps the camera small and the top is flat. I have both cameras and always have the A7c in my pocket with a small lens where ever I go. I never miss that shot!
I also wonder, if the term "pocketable" is mostly a marketing lie? The only pocketable imaging devices are smartphones. But never system cameras plus their lenses. Not even Olympus. Not even the failed "Nikon 1" or "Pentax Q" attempts. Even for such one-inch sensor systems, "pocketable" was enough of a marketing lie, which is why they never had a chance to survive. Once you wear some kind of bag over your shoulder, then weight nuances are not important any longer. Which is actually the reason, why MFT and APS-C are getting a hard time from small full frame kits, such as an A7C* plus the growing compact/lightweight FF lenses choice.
@@frankygamaliano7058, I put it in my jacket pocket where ever I go. If it's warm and I don't have a jacket on then I have a little camera case that slides on to my belt.
Its time : we need to know, purchasing today, Sony A7 IV or Nikon Z6iii ??? For a hybrid camera that covers both stills and video well with max color accuracy (and range) with minimal rolling shutter. How important is it that Sony A7 IV can't shoot raw video, while the Z6iii can? Also, which one smells better?
I upgraded ( downgraded) from A7rii to A7C. The colors and the image quality straight out of the camera impressed me . I am sure the newer version would be even better .
image quality isn't visibly better. AF is better, startup time is marginally better. EVF is visibly better and feels better in hand (for me - the grip on the original was uncomfortably small).
Great video though, but not sure if you did it to see if anyone noticed but the A7CII in the video is actually the old A7C 🙂 EDIT: In shots where you are standing with the camera's. I Did notice some B Roll with the correct one..
Yes, we had to send a7C II back to Sony, we had the a7C as a stand-in which is just a prop piece at the end of the day. However any time we mentioned anything specific about the camera, we made sure to use b-roll of the a7C II.
Little editing error at 12:38, you said that the a7c ii has up to 7 stops of stabilization, which is 1.5 stops more than the a7 mark iv, but you gave that 1 1/2 check marks to the a7 mark iv instead of the a7c ii. 🫤
I went with the a7iv because i already have the a6700 and i wanted the bigger evf and two sd card slots. it was a hard decision because software is of course better with the newer camera, however, here in europe the a7iv is much cheaper. so, this tipped the balance.
If you want more resolution, customization, and compact A7CII. If you want a bulky retro/basic camera the ZF. Nikon has nicer JPG's. You also have to consider your lenses and budget. Native Nikon glass or even adapting e-mount glass is going to cost more.
Are you sure the A7iv has car, train etc tracking? I think that’s just for the cameras with the AI chip or was that added with a firmware update? Haven’t seen that on mine
why should somebody looking at a fuji for traveling consider a full frame camera that needs bulky full frame glass to get the most out of it? doesnt make sense Mr. Fro...
“Bulky”…..for me it’s about quality. If you want garbage quality of the Fuji, with one focal length, go for it. I could get good results with it, but for a camera that’s the same size, that I can choose what lens I want, bulky or not, I’ll take the Sony.
@@froknowsphoto wow... That was the most unprofessional answer imaginable from you. You wanna take a blind test between my former A7 III with Sigma Art Primes vs my current Fuji X-H2 With a Viltrox prime? I'd bet you won't tell them apart. But whatever... Guess it's time to move on and watch other creators that are more objective than you...
The Sony with a pancake type lens fitted is virtually the same size as something like an X100V. We're talking millimetres... hardly enough to describe it as impractical due to being 'too bulky' given the better ergonomics and better tech inside.
@@DavidGainergonomics is a subjective topic, tech is better, no question, but you pay for that. If you stack up the A7CII with a f2.8 pancake vs an X-T30 II with a small f2 prime, you get very equal looks at half the cost. If OOC HEIF'S is your cup of tea, you'd be mad not to go with Fuji, cause their processing is 2nd to none. I'm tipped off by Jared's response. Referring to Fuji as garbage quality is like stating a Strawberry Cheesecake tastes like dog shit compared to a hot brownie. They are both desserts, both are sweet, but their own flavors and consistencies. Like I mentioned above: I owned an A7III and Sigma Art Primes (my favorite was the 135mm 1.8), now rocking an X-H2 with my new favorite lens, the 75mm 1.2 (so 113mm f1.8 full frame equiv.), and even looking at 1:1 I can't tell them apart. If that's telling nothing I don't know what would...
Not really. I get great results with the Sony 40G on my A7IV. And some of the Sigma 'i' lenses are perfect as well. I was interested in an x100 but don't want to be limited to one focal length. And from trying an x-T30 i wasn't that keen on the UI.
I would get A7iv because of the better viewfinder. Even tho i would buy it for street photography. I used to use m leica for street photography and long time ago went to fuji x100. And the viewfinder was terrible compared to the large viewfinder of the leica. So not doing the dame mistake 😅
It's cheaper, lighter and has better AF, that's already a win. I can more than live with the lack of 2nd SD card slot, or the smaller EVF. Imma get the a7c ii.
The A7cii only has first curtain electronic shutter like the R8 whereas the A7iv has a full mechanical shutter. That is why sync speed is different. The A7iv has redundancy until slot 1 stops working for both CF-A and SD. That happened to me today ! The camera is not 2 years old yet ! [edit : refused to work that day despite switching on and off, tried it just before bringing it to repair and been working since] Oh, and if you want to shoot sports with the A7iv, stay at 6 FPS and don't expect sharp pictures only.
At this point, no new cameras from any manufacturer should only have one card slot. It's a deal breaker. Memory cards are not 100% reliable. Redundancy is.
Here’s my options: Sony a7iii (used) approx £1100 Sony a7iv (used) approx £1800 Sony a7cii (used) approx £1800 First option leaves more room for lenses, probably only want to spend £2k, could get the a7iv/a7cii with cheaper lens (50mm 1.8) to start or a7iii with a sigma 24-70 or something, Or maybe look at apsc (a6700) So confusing lol
I am travelling through japan now. I can only buy what I can carry in a suitcase. There are tax free camera shops in japan selling the japanese versions of the A7IV & A7C2 on sale for
There are several differences that you did not mention. First, the programmable dial on top is lockable on the A7 iv and not on the A7 c ii. The number of custom buttons is half on the A7 c ii than the A7 iv. I like to use the custom buttons and it was difficult transferring to the A7 c ii. The buttons on the A 6600 are more to my liking. I wish that Sony keep the same body layout on the a 6700 and A7c ii as they did on the a 6600. That layout is better for photography than video.
Correction: the a7 IV doesn't have Insect/Car/Train/Airplane tracking. Just Human/Animal/Bird. Also, the "checkmark" for IBIS should've went to the A7C II.
Indeed!
And those check marks (that mean absolutely nothing, really ;-) for the better IBIS, should have been given to the A7C2, not the other one - hey I noticed, all right?! ;-)
PS: I’m using the original A7C as my webcam for at least 2 years now, and I got the mark 2 like within a month since its release, and I absolutely LOVE it. What a great camera! And that AF is absolutely phenomenal! Complements my A1 beautifully.
Really good stuff! Love it! :-)
I spent 20 minutes searching the Internet to make sure I didn't miss something with my a7iv 😂
Seems like Sony could have added the other tracking for the A7iv in a firmware update for its loyal customers. Not a huge upgrade keeping us from updating to the next camera, but enough to show us we aren't extinct.
@@stevestrickland446Those auto focus modes are probably dependant on the AI chip which the A7IV doesn't have.
thanks. i was wondering about the latter. i also think the a7c should have received a check, or maybe a 1/2 check, for the ai auto framing.
It's always good when Jared is still talking about your camera. 🎉
Agreed!
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You misunderstood him. Fro was bragging about his nose photos.
Back when I had my old D3100 I lost two days of shooting due to a card malfunction that rendered that card useless, fortunately i was just shooting an event i paid to see , so the photos were for my own enjoyment but since then having two card slots is my number one priority, you can give me the best of the best settings if it doesn't have an extra card slot I'm not buying it from
I owned the a7iv and swapped to the a7cii, LOVE it. I do sports/wildlife. The autofocus is noticeably superior in the a7cii over the a7iv. plus, the .5 lb difference helps me a good bit since I have a spinal fracture. I use it all the time and i love the a7cii! resolution is perfect, sensor produces gorgeous image quality that is easily croppable if you must, excellent low light performance and that autofocus makes it a huge win over the a7iv any day for me. The added dial on the front is a gamechanger too for those of us who shoot in manual, so I definitely recommend it over the original a7c and the a7iv.
All valid points. Thank you
All those reasons is why my A7iv is on EBay. For travel, this camera is great. Now if Sony would make some lightweight zoom lenses, like the 16-35 f4 lens. The new version is great to carry.
@amandatorres4862, I have severe back pain but I am interested of buying either the A7cii or the a6700 since both are light cameras. Re the a7cii, do you mind if I ask you which lenses do you use please? Thanks
@@popaine1 keeping things light is definitely my priority for that reason! The lenses I use are the tamron 28-75 2.8 g2, tamron 70-180 2.8 g2, and sony 100-400gm w the 1.4x tele. The GM is a little too heavy for me w/ the 1.4x tele but i dont use it often and when i do its awesome . I also had the sigma 100-400 and i loved it, that extra .5 lb makes a difference. Depends what you shoot, but i love using the 100-400 on the apsc sensor. I had the a7iv and the 100-400 gm was too heavy w that setup. The a7cii made the GM more manageable for me :) Hope you find a perfect setup for your back! Most lenses are so high quality now a days, i would totally save weight and get a third party lighter option when its available.
@@richbottarini86the new(ish) Sony 20-70 f4 is a great lens.
Thanks Jared. I have bought A7C II. It is amazing camere.
I went with the A7IV because:
1. Used you can get them cheaper than a A7CII (have seen them as low as $1700 in local markets in good shape)
2. I like that you can turn on a setting where the mechanical shutter stays closed to help prevent dust getting to the sensor, especially when changing lenses. This gives me a tiny piece of mind if I ever have to change a lens on a hike or something
3. The EVF is much better, especially when it’s bright outside (once again, do a lot of hikes)
4. I like the joystick for AF points on some occasions.
The biggest pro for me of the A7C is the size, but honestly it’s not THAT much smaller, like if you were comparing it to say, an XT30.
Hi , wanting to address your nr.2 . I've read that there are people who say it is a very bad option because the sensor is protected by a glass film , so fairly easy to clean , but lord be hold if something where to get stuck on those shutter blades , they are slim and very fragile . Might want to consider that one ? But this resulted on my own research , I do not own a mark IV yet but probably will in a short while.
@@zardes123 As it turns out, the A7C II has the same feature. I have an A7C II now cause someone traded me even for my A7 IV 😂
@@Kevodabomb_Media auch , really looking to buy one right now :)) hope it can be turned off ?
@@zardes123 yes it is a feature you can turn off (anti dust features)
For street photography, it's the a7Cii. I sold my Leica Q3 (the stereotypical street photography camera) and went to the a7Cii in order to get interchangeable lenses with the same small size and light weight. Sony's EF 40mm f/2.5 is an incredible, tiny, high quality street photography lens that's the perfect focal length for how I like to do street photography. At the end of the day, the a7Cii, plus lens, cost half what the Leica costs and it's a much more advanced -- dare I say "better" -- camera with a more useful focal length. The a7Cii is my first Sony and it's incredibly fun to shoot with. It ALMOST tempts me to switch from Canon to Sony . . . but, no. I bought this Sony because Canon doesn't make anything like it.
The ZF was release will you try that also? but I do admit the A7cii is very nice and compact.
@@ChristianErnestHizon No, I'm not really interested in the Zf. I see the Zf as more of a fashion statement camera. The a7Cii meets my needs perfectly. In all black, it's a very nice, low profile camera.
What are your thoughts on the A7C's viewfinder Bill?
R8 ?
For street photography which of these three lenses would you pick for the A7cii and would you wait for the A7V?
**Sony FE 24mm f/2.8 G 5.7 oz
**Sony FE 40mm f/2.5 G 6 oz
**Sony Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 9.9 oz
Total 2.45 lb.
And or
*Sony Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 4 oz.
* Sony FE 50mm f/2.5 G Lens 6 oz
Sony FE 85mm f/1.8 13 oz.
Surprised there was no mention of the full-size HDMI connector (A7IV) vs mini HDMI (A7C2). This might be important if you're shooting video.
Yeah
I use an A7C as a back up to my dual card slot main camera. A couple of things that are important to mention are that the A7C II only has an electronic front curtain shutter. I find portraits on bright days at wide apertures to have cut off, and distracting bokeh. The A7C II also has a lower sync speed of 1/160th which I find to be a little low.
Exactly, too few people speak about the missing full mechanical shutter and the problems EFSC may cause for image quality.
I only learned this “after” purchasing as nobody talked about this very important difference.
Honestly the biggest gimp of a7CII. Its a no go for anyone that uses flash.1/160th is just slow enough to cause blurring and you cant even compensate with HSS because EFCS with HSS flash causes banding.
@@depannist As with the a7C and Canon's EOS R8, the A7C II lacks a mechanical first curtain shutter, relying instead of an electronic first curtain (EFCS). This means the exposure is started electronically but finished with a mechanical shutter.
In almost all situations, the results are indistinguishable from using mechanical blades to start and end the exposure. The only downside is that if you use a very bright aperture lens and shoot at very high shutter speeds, the blurred 'bokeh' in the background will be less smooth than it should be. Point light sources that should be rendered as attractive circles will have their lower edge cut off. But this only happens in very specific circumstances.
So can I use it with flash ? Or it’s best to avoid if I want to use off camera flash ?
Its comes down to which one is better for my back while traveling.
Been using the A7Cii for a month with the FE 35mm f1.8 and the 20-70 F4 G. Its been absolutely fantastic for me. Fit, form and function. I am really happy going to this over the A7IV.
I can’t decide 24-70gm ii or 20-70g for my a7rV ;(
@@lewcehjitl3282 追求画质就是24 70gm2，2070比不了，虽然锐度够，但是颜色不好。而且2070的F4光圈在夜晚太小了，我觉得不如买28 70 2.8 或者24 50 2.8，2.8光圈应该是最低的光圈了，F4在夜晚真的是太小了。
Hey bro contrast in iv or cll for clip widding ?
@@GhasemShafaatian 这两台相机画质完全一致的。但是我现在不是很喜欢c2,没有摇杆，拍照片的时候有点麻烦，在干活的时候会有点限制。但是C2比M4轻，出去玩的时候比较方便。
This Nikon user switched to the A7C which is half the price used, and now I own the A7CII. Just pair it with some light/small/affordable Tamron f2.8 zoom lenses and some Samyang primes. BOOM! I shoot HEIF+HLG for neutral colors. "Close enough to raw!"
Do you use it only for video or photo and video? Today I only use the D750 for photos, but I want to migrate to Sony to take photos and videos more efficiently. A7Cii or A7iv in this case?
@@thetayrol I prefer the A7CII over the A7IV.
Got both, 7 IV for stills and 7C II for video. Best combo!
Bro can u help me for best select ,?
Are u have iv and c!! ?
Jared, you hit the nail on the head with information without talking in circles.
Read out speed is one area Sony is a long way behind Canon and it would be nice if they could improve. The A7V whenever it comes out needs to do a least 20 fps to get close to some of Canons entry level cameras. Do that and give it the rear screen on the A7RV and the new body shape from the A9III and they have a winner.
I own the a7CII, A7III, & A7Cr for professional photography & by far my fav & easiest to use/work with is my a7CII! It’s literally my main camera for everything. Sometimes I’ll use the a7Cr for landscape & architecture photos, but I love my a7CII. I love when I whip this camera out ppl think it’s so “cute”, but when they see the results they always get blown away! I love all my cameras, but by far my fav is the a7CII!
How about the images quality between a73 & a7cii?
I’ve been enjoying my A7IV a lot. I wish it had some of the autofocus stacking and 8 stops of IBIS from the 7RV but that’s really it
I got the A7cii & Sony 50mm f/1.4 GM & Sony 16-35 f/4 pz. It is such a great camera
Thank you so much Jared for the very informative comparative video! Good luck!
Please make a video on A7C Mark II vs R6 Mark II
12:48 you gave the one and a half check mark to a7iv instead of a7cii
the sony shouldve done what nikon does sometimes which is one SD card SLOT and MICRO sd card slot
For street photography which of these three lenses would you pick for the A7cii and would you wait for the A7V?
**Sony FE 24mm f/2.8 G 5.7 oz
**Sony FE 40mm f/2.5 G 6 oz
**Sony Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 9.9 oz
Total 2.45 lb.
And or
*Sony Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 4 oz.
* Sony FE 50mm f/2.5 G Lens 6 oz
Sony FE 85mm f/1.8 13 oz.
Just got the a7 iv this past weekend. Came from a Nikon d3500 so a massive upgrade. Super excited to take it everywhere with me
Heya! I'm looking at upgrading my A7III. Do you think the A7IV is still a good upgrade now? Or better to wait for A7V which I dunno yet when it will come out. Thanks!
Thank you for this detailed and interesting comparison
Such deep dive analysis and comparison. It would takes several days of work to bring out such info. Thanks a lot Jared.
Please do a comparison of the a7cll vs canon r6 mark ll
New menu and touchscreen capabilities for the cii correct? Loving my cii so far!
Love the video mate, I shoot airshows as a hobby, and want to upgrade from my heavy/bigger Nikon D7500, I wonder if there's any particular advice on these or any other Sony alpha camera for that purpose you can advice? thanks again!!
Which of them is more durable please?
One gripe coming from canon user and using the a7cr as my second cam. Why can you not choose what info to have displayed on the screen at the same time. Having the level and the histogram at the same time surely isn’t to much to ask. 🤔🤔. Also they do seem to be dust magnets, never had to correct so many dust spots😂. I do love the form factor of the a7cr.
You changed the old folded paper comparison table
But it is better now
yeah this solidifies my want of the A7CII, small but feature rich. easier for me to travel with.
Which one would you pick Fro?
My biggest issue with my ZV-E1 is the LCD screen is garbage, it's hard to judge focus and it's not bright enough outside (even set to sunny day mode). Even on the Fuji X-S20 the LCD is so much nicer. Is the LCD on the A7 IV any better?
Added the 1.5 ✅ for IBIS on the wrong camera (A7iv) in the post
Read the pinned comment
Thanks for this video! I was looking at the a7c II for a few weeks now.
if I want a second camera to shoot alongside a7rv - would you go with zv-e1 or this 7cii?
I’m torn between both. The 7cii doesn’t sacrifice that much video?
I sold my a7iv and bought the a7cii, sold my a7siii bought the zve1. If you are looking for the 2nd camera to be more for video definitely get the zve1. More photo focused then get the a7cii.
Great video!
A7C II for me
For me I like both, but if I am looking at price that would be my deciding factor since both are amazing.
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A7cii
Has someone tested IBIS of A7CII vs A7IV or A7RV?
yes - couldn't see a practical difference. Photos, video ... nothing significant.
The Sony A74 is on my radar. I have seen a Sony A74 body only mint condition for £1,900 UK pounds.
The Sony A7C Mark 2 looks great. But I do like the two SD Card Slot and the EVF in the middle of the camera body.
So the Sony A74 is for me
I think another important feature between both is the joy stick.
The A7 IV has the joy stick so you can adjust the point without having to pull that camera away from your face. Meanwhile the A7cii is solely touch screen and you would have to pull the camera away from your face to select a new point.
If you already rely on mostly using the touch screen to change your point or shoot using the screen opposed to the view finder, it might not make a difference but still a feature to consider
Not sure about the A7cii, but with the A6700 you can move the focus point with the D-pad. The center button toggles between function mode and joystick mode. Since A7cii and A6700 have very similar bodies, I'd guess it's the same.
You don’t need to move your face away from it. You can activate the d pad, you can also touch and drag on the screen with your face up to it.
@froknowsphoto oh cool, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for clarifying that, Jared
you can use the d-pad for the same thing, but granted, the joystick is much better and more precise.
Sir i need help i want to buy a7 iv but which variant is best for a7iv china/ thilad? Or is it made in japan?😊
Please do the same for the R version !
I have an A7iv and an A6700 with the same control layout as the A7C ii. The a7iv has an 8 way joystick to move the focus point. None on the A7C ii. You have to toggle the D-pad constantly between iso etc and control of focus point. A real pain.
Also have both and I still struggle to find the joystick on the A7iv., my thumb recognizes the D-pad more easily. But I use manual with auto ISO, so I don't have to toggle much.
Thought A1 has 50MP, google says 50 as well.
Also 12:49 why did A7IV got check mark instead of CII
It does. We were referring to the processor being the same, not the sensor. And we noted the checkmark mistake in the pinned comment.
I want to replace my a6000 this year, and I was looking between these two, and a used a7riv. I think between these two the a7c II wins. That one has to compete with a used a7riv. Suggestion’s anyone?
Can you do a comparison between the Z30 and the ZVE-10? I’ve been shooting new york with the Z30 and the ZVE-10 seems to get consistently more praise and I’m confused as to why
If you're happy with the Z30 stick with it.
Sony has better AF (twice the AF points,) lens selection (Sony 15f1.4G alone,) headphone port, non-app remote control, 1/3 longer battery life, lighter, smaller. S-log with catalyst browse software-based stabilization.
The price difference makes it possible to get the attachable grip for the A7C II and still pay about the same overall as for the A7 IV, which makes the A7C II an ideal adjustable "chameleon" suitable for anything from landscape to events to street photography.
The dust protective shield is only on the A7 IV though, and the A7C II doesn't have full mechanical shutter.
It really is a difficult decision because there are some serious tradeoffs in both directions.
I’m pretty sure there is no grip for the a7c II
@@froknowsphoto Ah my bad, I was sure something like that exists.
@@froknowsphoto There is a grip.
wait isnt a7cii has front dial on the grip? is this a a7c?
I believe you have me pulling the trigger on the a7cii. In many years I have never had an SD card go bad. knock on wood. and for the price I feel I would be getting more punch for money.
I have the a7IV - it has a recording limit. Shuts off after 40+mins recording 4K at either 24 or 30 fps.
Not true, I’ve recorded 1+ hour video at 4K 30 fps with no limit
@@spenson89 it’s inconsistent. There are times it can record more than an hour without over heating and there are times it shuts off after 40-55 mins.
I film moving subjects continuously and not a static talking head.
12:49 wrong camera check mark sir
Yes, read pinned comment please
@@froknowsphoto i am your subscriber since 2015
Finally i got a reply
Thank you sir.Love from India 🇮🇳
I've tried both and ... I'm still stumped. The AI AF isn't groundbreaking. I guess it helps, but what matters is actually doing the focus and both cameras do that. The only difference is that A7CII seems to "jump" to the eyes of insects faster. As for train/airplane recognition ... it seems to try to hunt for cockpit but whatever. The 7 EV of IBIS makes no difference whatsoever.They both suffer from RS, visibly, I was told one could get it under control via mechanical shutter on A7 IV, no idea how. I like the EVF placement on A7IV (also better EVF).
How come reviewers don't realise that the A7c cameras are designed to fit in your pocket? The EVF on the side keeps the camera small and the top is flat. I have both cameras and always have the A7c in my pocket with a small lens where ever I go. I never miss that shot!
Because it is not pocketable. At least for standard size of pockets. Not everyone wears jacket.
I also wonder, if the term "pocketable" is mostly a marketing lie? The only pocketable imaging devices are smartphones. But never system cameras plus their lenses. Not even Olympus. Not even the failed "Nikon 1" or "Pentax Q" attempts. Even for such one-inch sensor systems, "pocketable" was enough of a marketing lie, which is why they never had a chance to survive.
Once you wear some kind of bag over your shoulder, then weight nuances are not important any longer.
Which is actually the reason, why MFT and APS-C are getting a hard time from small full frame kits, such as an A7C* plus the growing compact/lightweight FF lenses choice.
@@frankygamaliano7058, I put it in my jacket pocket where ever I go. If it's warm and I don't have a jacket on then I have a little camera case that slides on to my belt.
@@tubularificationedone inch sensor Sony cameras are definitely pocketable. I put my RX 100 in my pocket all the time.
@@tubularificationedone inch sensor Sony cameras are definitely pocketable. I put my RX 100 in my pocket all the time.
Do you shoot RAW?
Yes.
Always
This comes at a good time for me because I am in the process of replacing my A7 II and these were the two I was looking at
Wow, what a coincidence! I'm also in the market for a new camera, and this two is in my list. replacing my a7ii. Have you decided already?
@@tesdaregioni9856 I've decided to get the A7C II, but wait for a used one under $2000
At 12:48 the 1 ½ checkmark should have been on the a7c ii and not the a7iv right?
What Sony cameras would you say are best for Sports photography?
Its time : we need to know, purchasing today, Sony A7 IV or Nikon Z6iii ??? For a hybrid camera that covers both stills and video well with max color accuracy (and range) with minimal rolling shutter. How important is it that Sony A7 IV can't shoot raw video, while the Z6iii can? Also, which one smells better?
Awesome Explanation bro. Great comparison proof that 🎉
How do they compare in portrait with bokeh
Can you compare Sony a7iv vs canon r8
we actually already compared it here: ua-cam.com/video/IwIPNzozPGk/v-deo.htmlsi=NkQ70KBq181z-xym
I upgraded ( downgraded) from A7rii to A7C. The colors and the image quality straight out of the camera impressed me . I am sure the newer version would be even better .
image quality isn't visibly better. AF is better, startup time is marginally better. EVF is visibly better and feels better in hand (for me - the grip on the original was uncomfortably small).
A7rii to a7cii is definitely an upgrade.
Great video though, but not sure if you did it to see if anyone noticed but the A7CII in the video is actually the old A7C 🙂
EDIT: In shots where you are standing with the camera's. I Did notice some B Roll with the correct one..
Yes, we had to send a7C II back to Sony, we had the a7C as a stand-in which is just a prop piece at the end of the day. However any time we mentioned anything specific about the camera, we made sure to use b-roll of the a7C II.
Little editing error at 12:38, you said that the a7c ii has up to 7 stops of stabilization, which is 1.5 stops more than the a7 mark iv, but you gave that 1 1/2 check marks to the a7 mark iv instead of the a7c ii. 🫤
I went with the a7iv because i already have the a6700 and i wanted the bigger evf and two sd card slots. it was a hard decision because software is of course better with the newer camera, however, here in europe the a7iv is much cheaper. so, this tipped the balance.
Thank You Sooo Much For The Perfect Information 😊
joystick?
Watching late ,however really helpful, tysm ❤
sony a7 c ii or Nikon Zf???
If you want more resolution, customization, and compact A7CII. If you want a bulky retro/basic camera the ZF. Nikon has nicer JPG's. You also have to consider your lenses and budget. Native Nikon glass or even adapting e-mount glass is going to cost more.
A7C2, the ZF feels like a brick in my hands. And A7C2's sencor is one generation ahead. E mount is at a better place than Z mount right now
Is C2 is best for Real Estate Videography
I am facing exactly the same dilemma to make a decision between these 2 cameras, and I have finally made a decision to choose Sony a7IV.
The check marks are changed
Wait, did you change your editor?
New set, new lighting, new comparison template, new checkmarks! Same editors…
I think a7cii have only electrical not mechanic shutter.
Both
Are you sure the A7iv has car, train etc tracking? I think that’s just for the cameras with the AI chip or was that added with a firmware update? Haven’t seen that on mine
Ah yeah we misspoke there. Noted the correction in the above pinned comment. Thanks for pointing out!
@@stepheneckert4006 I really was like „did I miss that 2 1/2 years?“ :D
why should somebody looking at a fuji for traveling consider a full frame camera that needs bulky full frame glass to get the most out of it? doesnt make sense Mr. Fro...
“Bulky”…..for me it’s about quality. If you want garbage quality of the Fuji, with one focal length, go for it. I could get good results with it, but for a camera that’s the same size, that I can choose what lens I want, bulky or not, I’ll take the Sony.
@@froknowsphoto wow... That was the most unprofessional answer imaginable from you. You wanna take a blind test between my former A7 III with Sigma Art Primes vs my current Fuji X-H2 With a Viltrox prime? I'd bet you won't tell them apart. But whatever... Guess it's time to move on and watch other creators that are more objective than you...
The Sony with a pancake type lens fitted is virtually the same size as something like an X100V. We're talking millimetres... hardly enough to describe it as impractical due to being 'too bulky' given the better ergonomics and better tech inside.
@@DavidGainergonomics is a subjective topic, tech is better, no question, but you pay for that. If you stack up the A7CII with a f2.8 pancake vs an X-T30 II with a small f2 prime, you get very equal looks at half the cost. If OOC HEIF'S is your cup of tea, you'd be mad not to go with Fuji, cause their processing is 2nd to none. I'm tipped off by Jared's response. Referring to Fuji as garbage quality is like stating a Strawberry Cheesecake tastes like dog shit compared to a hot brownie. They are both desserts, both are sweet, but their own flavors and consistencies.
Like I mentioned above: I owned an A7III and Sigma Art Primes (my favorite was the 135mm 1.8), now rocking an X-H2 with my new favorite lens, the 75mm 1.2 (so 113mm f1.8 full frame equiv.), and even looking at 1:1 I can't tell them apart. If that's telling nothing I don't know what would...
Not really. I get great results with the Sony 40G on my A7IV. And some of the Sigma 'i' lenses are perfect as well. I was interested in an x100 but don't want to be limited to one focal length. And from trying an x-T30 i wasn't that keen on the UI.
Why did you give 1.5 checkmark to the A7 IV on stabilization? The A7 IV has 5.5 stops and the A7C II has 7 stops, that is more.
Read the pinned comment
i use an a7c2, its amazing camera.
I would get A7iv because of the better viewfinder. Even tho i would buy it for street photography. I used to use m leica for street photography and long time ago went to fuji x100. And the viewfinder was terrible compared to the large viewfinder of the leica. So not doing the dame mistake 😅
It's cheaper, lighter and has better AF, that's already a win. I can more than live with the lack of 2nd SD card slot, or the smaller EVF. Imma get the a7c ii.
The A7cii only has first curtain electronic shutter like the R8 whereas the A7iv has a full mechanical shutter. That is why sync speed is different.
The A7iv has redundancy until slot 1 stops working for both CF-A and SD. That happened to me today ! The camera is not 2 years old yet ! [edit : refused to work that day despite switching on and off, tried it just before bringing it to repair and been working since]
Oh, and if you want to shoot sports with the A7iv, stay at 6 FPS and don't expect sharp pictures only.
Just bought both of them ... Seems to be a great combination 😁
Can you see a difference in AF and IBIS between both?
Tbh i don’t think the evf is all that useful. I feel using it often does limit your possibilities with a camera.
At this point, no new cameras from any manufacturer should only have one card slot. It's a deal breaker. Memory cards are not 100% reliable. Redundancy is.
DJI should get on board with this with its drones. No reason to have only one card slot on a drone when it's a tiny *_microSD._*
Here’s my options:
Sony a7iii (used) approx £1100
Sony a7iv (used) approx £1800
Sony a7cii (used) approx £1800
First option leaves more room for lenses, probably only want to spend £2k, could get the a7iv/a7cii with cheaper lens (50mm 1.8) to start or a7iii with a sigma 24-70 or something,
Or maybe look at apsc (a6700)
So confusing lol
a7 V )
waiting for A7 V
A7IV should be note that it also can stream 4K through USB BUT it's at 15fps, not 30 which is massive for me and why i'm watching this video. :P
Sony 6700?
I am travelling through japan now. I can only buy what I can carry in a suitcase. There are tax free camera shops in japan selling the japanese versions of the A7IV & A7C2 on sale for
There are several differences that you did not mention. First, the programmable dial on top is lockable on the A7 iv and not on the A7 c ii. The number of custom buttons is half on the A7 c ii than the A7 iv. I like to use the custom buttons and it was difficult transferring to the A7 c ii. The buttons on the A 6600 are more to my liking. I wish that Sony keep the same body layout on the a 6700 and A7c ii as they did on the a 6600. That layout is better for photography than video.
A7iv wins 🏆.
Looking forward to 2026 for the A7Ciii the compact A7Vi with dual card slots