Ah yes, not having shielding protection makes a pilot more "dedicated." Like how in World War I pilots weren't given parachutes so they were REALLY motivated to win.
The First Order thankfully did not share the exact mindset as Tarkin when it came to their Tie Fighters. They knew their pilots were not expendable and weren't concerned about budgets. They gave their Tie Fighters shields and a hyperdrive if I recall correctly.
Specific variants did have hyperdrives, mainly the co-pilot recon Ties or the SFO type as they were more often referred to as. They were used by special ops to jump ahead of the main taskforce to scout out and to repot back to the fleet what was there. The Tie that Po and Finn stole in Episode VII was a SFO variant, but you're correct that practically all of them had shields. The bulkier rings that were against the solar panels were small compact generators that were able to generate more then enough power to give the Ties the same speed and maneuverability as the originals, but they also boosted firepower and also emitted a shield that encompassed the fighter that provided significant defensive staying power for the remainder of most engagements against lightly armed forces like pirates and that sort.
@@dajointcf4803 Ah yes, because building moon-sized planet-destroyer-equipped battlestations is _cheaper_ than shifting the bulk of fighter production throughout the Empire to a design that is more maneuverable, better armed, and more survivable than its predecessor while simultaneously overmatching all possible competition and streamlining logistics across a literal galaxy-spanning naval organization. The Empire didn't just fail because of incompetent subordinates, the Empire failed because its leadership made bad decisions based on flawed assumptions of the realities of warfare, sheer hubris, and a pathological lust for short-term power over long-term survival.
If they'd ruled through fear of force then larger warships wudve been intimidating enough..then fighters wudve been of less importance.. maybe they put cart ahead of the horse and Tarkin policy wudve worked out if the Death Star had worked out..itvwudnt have mattered about tie shields then as less opposition?
Practically speaking, Tarkin was an idiot when it came to military weapons design. He either created very capable machines that were highly expensive, or inexpensive pieces of crap that were just as lethal to the user as the enemy.
If a StarDestroyer had propper anti air cannons than it works. But we are trying here to fing logic in movie which was not really thought out back there.
If you're going to have fast expendable starfighters why not go all in and use Droid fighters? The CIS starfighter corps was the pinnacle of this philosophy. Why go to all the expense of training a human pilot just to be expendable?
The tri-fighters had a droid brain to pilot, but think were still dependent on signal from main ship..so if that was lost.. (eg TPM blockade of Naboo..) but otherwise I agree with you.. maybe droid fighters had more components so were expensive..I'm not sure..?
Because the galaxy at the time feared and hated battle ready droids. They would haven't been comfortable knowing Droid ships could turn on them if someone hacked them or worse.
@@neilmurphy966 While this may be the case(its not in any movie/tv series I know of), star destroyers are hard to destroy and since tie-fighter lack a hyper drive they also can´t operate on their own. And if the sd gets destroyed in space not near a imperial planet all of them die too. Droids have no expenisve components, thats why the cis had so many of them.
Well, first, you have to look at people the way Sith do: Not as people, but as expendable means to an end. Next, remember that Palpatine's goal was - and I do believe this is a quote here - "unlimited power." It follows, then, that when one sees literally everyone around them as expendable and one's goal is power, then one does not give a single iota of a fuck that some schmuck you'll never meet is piloting what's basically a deathtrap against whatever _actual_ fighters the people trying to stop you can find.
Even in the New Hope, we clearly saw that shields only helped a bit. The lasers of the tie fighters still did great damage. The thought of a massive firepower for a ship entraping a prey with swarms of ties worked very well.
I love the TIE fighter video game from the 90's Honestly there was something exhilarating about flying the TIE Fighter, Interceptor and Bomber and not having shields. It really kicked up the tension in missions and put your flight skills to the test. Kind of makes you feel like a badass flying a TIE Fighter or an interceptor and taking out ships with shields.
The more i learn about the empire, the more i wonder how they ruled an entire galaxy for 20 years! Smh. Thankfully for them nothing changed in the core and around it so no one really cared
It might be that because of the sheer size of the empire. It's so big that the vast majority of it probably went untouched by the empire. Plus the transition to empire was basically instead of calling him chancellor, now you call him emporer. For most worlds infact i doubt they even notice the change, so few rebelled. It also helps the empire existed in a vacuum, they had no rivals really. So even with their stupid choices it was very easy to hold power.
I mean, how do communist regimes rule over their people, despite not actually having the best military? For one, they disarm their citizenry, which would have been easy shortly after the rise of the Empire, considering people thought Palpatine was a swell guy at that time. For two, they didn't immediately use Tie fighters, and were still using Clone War tech until it was phased out. For three, PROPAGANDA. Why build a better star fighter, when you can just convince your enemies you have a better one than you actually have?
Good old Empire. Build garbage cheap starfighters to save money they had almost unlimited amount anyway. Then waste many times more what they saved on Death Stars and Super Destroyers that don't do much and got one shotted.
Early days of the Empire: end scenes of ROTS see V-Wings flying around the destroyers.. they had similar role to Ties after them but they had shields (Complete Vehicles book).. so..it was cost/cheapness that won out? Could argue the V-Wing was a better fighter.. for sharp pitch turns for example.. 🤔
Old Tarkin kind of reminds me of Japanese ideas about the Zero fighter. Fast as hell, maneuverable and decent armament. The price? No armor. No self sealing gasoline tanks. So when you hit the bad boy it goes boom!!! Even though US Wildcat fighters weren't as fast they could take a beating leading to pilots living to see grandchildren!!
having flown a tie interceptor in several games, I know very well that a skilled pilot would have virtually no need for shields. if you're getting hit with that kind of speed and maneuverability, you're doing something wrong. the same was probably true for tie fighters at their inception but they got outclassed by new fighter design to the point of having their manouverability rating relegated to being merely moderate. edit: the tie interceptor would have some use for shields against A-wings, but A-wings basically make a very similar design trade-off to interceptors: very light shields amd high manouverability. you can take a few more hits but also deliver half as many. a fight between these two is decided by the skill of the better dogfighter, not equipment.
That and shields don't actually seem to do anything on-screen. Just look at the Episode IV trench run. They switched shields to protect their backsides and still blew up first hit.
only problem with ace polits are rare. also in large space battles its hard not get hit. you start to reach number of few hundred then battle field become saturated with baster fire. in world war 2 the American fighters could out tank the zeros. which mean they would win the first engagement in large air battle.
If the defender had more production behind it, I'd happily fly that, but as a freighter I'd probably enjoy a Kom'rk class ship, like the one Maul or the mandolorians used
Jedi interceptors... thinking on the dog fight w/ Obi-Wan and Jango in AotC, sure looked like Jango was hitting shields when targeting the interceptor just before launching his missile. So, what was happening there?
@@khadenallast4495 But... why would they change the craft? Evidently, Obi-Wan NEEDED shields in a dog-fight during peacetime, so a war starts and they remove the benefits of shields from their most valuable pilots and generals? I mean, Cannon or Legends has to address that somehow...
@@anthonychurch4142 I'm not sure, the wiki might have some mention about why they did it. If I were to take a shot in the dark, I'd venture that the craft used in Ep2 was too costly/time consuming for war-time mass production. If I were to fabricate my own reason (and given how Star Wars is it's probably entirely wrong), it would be that the Ep2 craft was more of a scout or reconnaissance craft, or possibly even more of a pleasure craft, than a fighter. Meaning that though it had shields and guns, these were more of an "in case of emergency" addition. As far as speed and maneuverability, it would be sub-par compared to a dedicated fighter.
@@khadenallast4495 The Delta-7 was a peacetime fighter design that was never intended to compete with newer and deadlier ships like the droid Tri-Fighter, as such the Eta-2 was designed to replace it by boasting superior maneuverability and being far smaller than the Delta-7 line, allowing variants to be carried en-masse on Republic warships for use as point interceptors by clone and non-Jedi pilots either alongside or in place of V-Wings depending on a given warship's fighter loadout (Which by the end of the war could include Y-Wing variants, Eta-2s, V-Wings, early TIE series craft, V-19 Torrents, Z-95s, ARC-170s, ARC-40bs, NTB-630s, and PTB-625s). In legends variants of the ETA-2 were developed with shields and heavier armor following complaints by Jedi who weren't named Anakin Skywalker and Saesee Tiin, with a triple-engined variant lacking an astromech socket being utilized by non-Jedi navy pilots and Clones.
Just learning that the TIE was based on Jedi interceptors makes so much sense. The smaller pod shaped cockpit, and everything with the sides is so similar
>spends large part of the video explaining how Tarkin wanted shield-less fighters for reasons >only mention in passing on Sienar already developing shield-less fighters on his own, with clear (and generally not bad) idea of agile space superiority starfighter
my fav star wars factions are the sith empire from the old republic, the galactic republic, and the galactic empire. I like playing the empire in star wars squadrons. Sure the tie fighter is fast and maneuverable but adding shields in star wars squadrons at least would boost the popularity of the game
QuiGon: "They have podracing on Malastare. Very fast, very dangerous. You must have Jedi reflexes if you race pods." Tarking: "OH YEAH BITCH? CHECK MY TIES"
So according to the Star Wars encyclopedia tie pilots had suits the let them survive in a vacuum for a short period. So it does not make sense in Canon that tie fighters would not have a shield even though they are destroyed by a couple of ship plasma/blaser based weapons.
I supposed nine times out of ten, if the Tie is shot down in space, its wings would be blown off before the main cockpit is. Therefor, the pilot can usually escape unharmed.
Do you think the lack of shields is maybe because they may have interfered with the solar ionization reactor..stopped some solar energy getting to the wings' solar arrays? (Though I know later on Vader's advanced fighter had shields...maybe was different tech..) ?
That's not even close to being the case, it's a mix of cost cutting and a matter of dehumanizing the Empire's pilots to their superiors by making them expendable. Which is idiotic given how long the average TIE pilot takes to train to an acceptable level of skill.
You would think that after the first few battles that the empire would at least equip basic shields on their starfighters. They could’ve been dirt cheap and only got enough for one hit but it’s better than nothing! Or just use a droid starfighter!
I wouldn’t say the stormtroopers were exactly expendable. I mean, yeah, they were used carelessly quite a few times but I’d say the real infantry force that was expendable was the Imperial Army, and not the Stormtrooper Corps.
They should at least keep the shields for advanced or even elite pilots at least who uses tie Fighters very often. However they choose Fighters that is going to battle is like the beginning of the self destruct sequence. That resulted in many bases and outposts destroyed and highly damaged.
They dont have shields because SW is a low-tech universe with poor industrial capacity, therefore even making a few small shield generators would stress the military budget of the great Empire.
So Tarkin wanted cheap throw away fighters. I am sure the TIE pilots were "crazy" about that idea. This is the same idea of the Japenese Zero. Later (too late) the Japanese actually developed a fighter that could go toe to toe with the latest American fighter (but, it was too little too late) and the Army and Navy fought over finite resources (thus reducing the total Japanese ability to produce equal fighters).
@@ABadassDragon yeh they had skills from the Force though to compensate.. (Colonial Vipers BG didn't have shields..and were readily damaged in fights..)
@@neilmurphy966 Yes, but they would be even more effective with shields, something they realised by the end of the war when they got the newer ships, one in the beggining of ep3. 'A knight is skilled, but he still wears armour' me, probably
Pilots and pilot training is always going to be the biggest cost, and that's the investment and resource that should be protected the most. Ships and tech are disposable, but pilots are going to take time to train, and that time can't be created out of nowhere. Otherwise, just use droid pilots.
Idk how true that is, if you look at real life, training a fighter pilot probably costs around $100,000. While even the cheapest F-35 costs 77.9 million. Saving 10% on 77.9 million =7.79 million, which is far more than the $100,000 cost to train a pilot.
You should try Empire at War out on your gaming channel. There are a lot of very good mods you’d probably enjoy like awakening of the rebellion and thrawns revenge.
That is one thing everyone forgets. Even with the shields, the laser cannons on TIEs were basically strong enough to drain X-Wing shields pretty quickly.
@@karlrovey And that was because laser cannons weren't hitting the star fighter he was in. It was a regular hand held blaster those droids were shooting at him.
If Vader was Emperor I have a feeling he would have made sure his soldiers and pilots had decent equipment and TIE pilots would have had shields to protect them. Say what you will about Vader, he did at least respect and have a sense of duty to the men and women serving under him.
I dont need to watch the video. Its simple swarm attacks, they're very effective. Play xvt or xwa you can put the theory to the test. Plus the cost reduction.
@@stargatecommand714 It's a notable element of some EU media that some TIE models are made with shields and others merely refitted with them at the cost of maneuverability and some speed, most do not feature them at all.
Almost like Palpatine had a Stalinist view on things in that regard. "Not one step backwards, comrades. After all, no shields."
Good to see u here papito. Hope ur doing well during these times
@@TY-km8hj I hope I'm doing well to, man. Thanks.
Ah yes, not having shielding protection makes a pilot more "dedicated." Like how in World War I pilots weren't given parachutes so they were REALLY motivated to win.
Don't you just love it when governments send you off to fight a war you didn't start, then they say "win or die".
The First Order thankfully did not share the exact mindset as Tarkin when it came to their Tie Fighters. They knew their pilots were not expendable and weren't concerned about budgets. They gave their Tie Fighters shields and a hyperdrive if I recall correctly.
Specific variants did have hyperdrives, mainly the co-pilot recon Ties or the SFO type as they were more often referred to as. They were used by special ops to jump ahead of the main taskforce to scout out and to repot back to the fleet what was there. The Tie that Po and Finn stole in Episode VII was a SFO variant, but you're correct that practically all of them had shields. The bulkier rings that were against the solar panels were small compact generators that were able to generate more then enough power to give the Ties the same speed and maneuverability as the originals, but they also boosted firepower and also emitted a shield that encompassed the fighter that provided significant defensive staying power for the remainder of most engagements against lightly armed forces like pirates and that sort.
Why u want no shield on da tie fighter?
Tarkin: Because the pilots r cool and rlly stronk
Palpatine: I liek dat idea
Both: yay
Grand Admiral Thrawn does not approve.
Exactly. This is why he should have been put in charge of the Navy's resources. He wouldn't have built a second Death Star.
JJ Chaos exactly
@@jagnestormskull3178 Well, his "TIE Defender" project would be successful... if not for incompetent subordinates
@@darykeng and the fact a tie defender is expensive as fuck
@@dajointcf4803 Ah yes, because building moon-sized planet-destroyer-equipped battlestations is _cheaper_ than shifting the bulk of fighter production throughout the Empire to a design that is more maneuverable, better armed, and more survivable than its predecessor while simultaneously overmatching all possible competition and streamlining logistics across a literal galaxy-spanning naval organization.
The Empire didn't just fail because of incompetent subordinates, the Empire failed because its leadership made bad decisions based on flawed assumptions of the realities of warfare, sheer hubris, and a pathological lust for short-term power over long-term survival.
This is why if the empire hadn’t adopted the Tarkin doctrine than maybe they’d have better ships
Truer words have ever been spoken
If they'd ruled through fear of force then larger warships wudve been intimidating enough..then fighters wudve been of less importance.. maybe they put cart ahead of the horse and Tarkin policy wudve worked out if the Death Star had worked out..itvwudnt have mattered about tie shields then as less opposition?
Or they adopted Thrawn’s Tie Defender program.
@@CommanderOfRussia1
That Defender may be better used for Darth Vader himself.
@@neilmurphy966 wud
Practically speaking, they probably should’ve gotten shields
Gotta save that extra cash for the Death Star, trust me it'll pay off in the en.!
@@Sinfilled66 ( Both Death Stars blow up ) Were the Death Star budgets covered by insurances? Or did all that money just blow up completely?
Practically speaking, Tarkin was an idiot when it came to military weapons design. He either created very capable machines that were highly expensive, or inexpensive pieces of crap that were just as lethal to the user as the enemy.
HyperionGM, he was also arrogant, which led to his own downfall.
If a StarDestroyer had propper anti air cannons than it works. But we are trying here to fing logic in movie which was not really thought out back there.
If you're going to have fast expendable starfighters why not go all in and use Droid fighters? The CIS starfighter corps was the pinnacle of this philosophy. Why go to all the expense of training a human pilot just to be expendable?
The tri-fighters had a droid brain to pilot, but think were still dependent on signal from main ship..so if that was lost.. (eg TPM blockade of Naboo..) but otherwise I agree with you.. maybe droid fighters had more components so were expensive..I'm not sure..?
Because the galaxy at the time feared and hated battle ready droids. They would haven't been comfortable knowing Droid ships could turn on them if someone hacked them or worse.
Droid Sentience is something of a heated topic within the Star Wars Universe.
@@neilmurphy966 While this may be the case(its not in any movie/tv series I know of), star destroyers are hard to destroy and since tie-fighter lack a hyper drive they also can´t operate on their own. And if the sd gets destroyed in space not near a imperial planet all of them die too.
Droids have no expenisve components, thats why the cis had so many of them.
Well, first, you have to look at people the way Sith do: Not as people, but as expendable means to an end. Next, remember that Palpatine's goal was - and I do believe this is a quote here - "unlimited power." It follows, then, that when one sees literally everyone around them as expendable and one's goal is power, then one does not give a single iota of a fuck that some schmuck you'll never meet is piloting what's basically a deathtrap against whatever _actual_ fighters the people trying to stop you can find.
Even in the New Hope, we clearly saw that shields only helped a bit. The lasers of the tie fighters still did great damage.
The thought of a massive firepower for a ship entraping a prey with swarms of ties worked very well.
Cause palpatine's overconfidence was his weakness. And so was tarkins.
I'm glad you started doing the "if not for me" again:)
I love the TIE fighter video game from the 90's
Honestly there was something exhilarating about flying the TIE Fighter, Interceptor and Bomber and not having shields.
It really kicked up the tension in missions and put your flight skills to the test.
Kind of makes you feel like a badass flying a TIE Fighter or an interceptor and taking out ships with shields.
And then Zaarin sets you up to clear a minefield while flying an intercepter so he can defect. I had to turn on invincibility for that mission.
So happy I’m getting notifications again this is gonna be a good video as always
Something tells me that Grand Moff Tarkin was smoking crack when he presented that idea to the emperor
"Good pilots dont need them" some tie fighter pilot when talking about Thrawns interceptors.
The more i learn about the empire, the more i wonder how they ruled an entire galaxy for 20 years! Smh. Thankfully for them nothing changed in the core and around it so no one really cared
They had the largest military. Few planets could barely defend themselves against pirates let alone say a Star Destroyer.
@@Burning-Twilight But they could have much more if they had just a bit more brains in their heads
Numbers and fear
It might be that because of the sheer size of the empire. It's so big that the vast majority of it probably went untouched by the empire. Plus the transition to empire was basically instead of calling him chancellor, now you call him emporer. For most worlds infact i doubt they even notice the change, so few rebelled. It also helps the empire existed in a vacuum, they had no rivals really. So even with their stupid choices it was very easy to hold power.
I mean, how do communist regimes rule over their people, despite not actually having the best military? For one, they disarm their citizenry, which would have been easy shortly after the rise of the Empire, considering people thought Palpatine was a swell guy at that time. For two, they didn't immediately use Tie fighters, and were still using Clone War tech until it was phased out. For three, PROPAGANDA. Why build a better star fighter, when you can just convince your enemies you have a better one than you actually have?
Good old Empire. Build garbage cheap starfighters to save money they had almost unlimited amount anyway. Then waste many times more what they saved on Death Stars and Super Destroyers that don't do much and got one shotted.
Remember the rebels captured a few super destroyers cause they weren't fully maned smh imagine a small team of 15 stealing a super weapon
Should've used droid fighters if they wanted to be that cheap.
Admiral Thrawn should have been motivition to the emperor in mass production of Tie Defenders....
@@richardarriaga6271 PTSD from the clone wars. That and good old propaganda for droid hate.
Also, if some fool decides to defect in a ship without a hyperdrive & shields, well one turbolaser blast ends that idea in a hurry.
The Death Star took a lot of money to build. Shields for the Tie fighters it was not in the budget. Said Palpatine to Vader
Early days of the Empire: end scenes of ROTS see V-Wings flying around the destroyers.. they had similar role to Ties after them but they had shields (Complete Vehicles book).. so..it was cost/cheapness that won out? Could argue the V-Wing was a better fighter.. for sharp pitch turns for example.. 🤔
Hello there! This is a most interesting topic thank you! May the Force be with you always!
Thank you Obi Wan.
Old Tarkin kind of reminds me of Japanese ideas about the Zero fighter. Fast as hell, maneuverable and decent armament. The price? No armor. No self sealing gasoline tanks. So when you hit the bad boy it goes boom!!! Even though US Wildcat fighters weren't as fast they could take a beating leading to pilots living to see grandchildren!!
Great video. It would be awesome if you covered more canon content!
"Current cannon"
having flown a tie interceptor in several games, I know very well that a skilled pilot would have virtually no need for shields. if you're getting hit with that kind of speed and maneuverability, you're doing something wrong. the same was probably true for tie fighters at their inception but they got outclassed by new fighter design to the point of having their manouverability rating relegated to being merely moderate.
edit: the tie interceptor would have some use for shields against A-wings, but A-wings basically make a very similar design trade-off to interceptors: very light shields amd high manouverability. you can take a few more hits but also deliver half as many. a fight between these two is decided by the skill of the better dogfighter, not equipment.
That and shields don't actually seem to do anything on-screen. Just look at the Episode IV trench run. They switched shields to protect their backsides and still blew up first hit.
only problem with ace polits are rare. also in large space battles its hard not get hit. you start to reach number of few hundred then battle field become saturated with baster fire. in world war 2 the American fighters could out tank the zeros. which mean they would win the first engagement in large air battle.
Damn it, Tarkin!
What kind of ship would you fly in the Star Wars universe? For me, an ETA-2 Jedi Interceptor, as for a freighter, The Rogue Shadow!
If the defender had more production behind it, I'd happily fly that, but as a freighter I'd probably enjoy a Kom'rk class ship, like the one Maul or the mandolorians used
Tarkin was a fool if he thought training was all it took to get regular pilots on par with Jedi pilots.
My favorite is the Tie Phantom, Tie Predator and Tie Crawler
Jedi interceptors... thinking on the dog fight w/ Obi-Wan and Jango in AotC, sure looked like Jango was hitting shields when targeting the interceptor just before launching his missile. So, what was happening there?
If memory serves that was a different type of ship than the one they used in Ep3.
@@khadenallast4495 But... why would they change the craft? Evidently, Obi-Wan NEEDED shields in a dog-fight during peacetime, so a war starts and they remove the benefits of shields from their most valuable pilots and generals? I mean, Cannon or Legends has to address that somehow...
@@anthonychurch4142 I'm not sure, the wiki might have some mention about why they did it. If I were to take a shot in the dark, I'd venture that the craft used in Ep2 was too costly/time consuming for war-time mass production. If I were to fabricate my own reason (and given how Star Wars is it's probably entirely wrong), it would be that the Ep2 craft was more of a scout or reconnaissance craft, or possibly even more of a pleasure craft, than a fighter. Meaning that though it had shields and guns, these were more of an "in case of emergency" addition. As far as speed and maneuverability, it would be sub-par compared to a dedicated fighter.
@@khadenallast4495 The Delta-7 was a peacetime fighter design that was never intended to compete with newer and deadlier ships like the droid Tri-Fighter, as such the Eta-2 was designed to replace it by boasting superior maneuverability and being far smaller than the Delta-7 line, allowing variants to be carried en-masse on Republic warships for use as point interceptors by clone and non-Jedi pilots either alongside or in place of V-Wings depending on a given warship's fighter loadout (Which by the end of the war could include Y-Wing variants, Eta-2s, V-Wings, early TIE series craft, V-19 Torrents, Z-95s, ARC-170s, ARC-40bs, NTB-630s, and PTB-625s).
In legends variants of the ETA-2 were developed with shields and heavier armor following complaints by Jedi who weren't named Anakin Skywalker and Saesee Tiin, with a triple-engined variant lacking an astromech socket being utilized by non-Jedi navy pilots and Clones.
The problem is that junior ranks flew fighters and all the high ranking officers were in command of star destroyers
If you were in the Star Wars universe, what type of ship would you pilot?
A jedi interceptor.
Millennium Falcon FTW
I personally would go with the Ghost
Dooku's Solar Sail ship (AOTC) 😉
Something that doesnt get oneshot
*ive been looking forward to this*
Just learning that the TIE was based on Jedi interceptors makes so much sense. The smaller pod shaped cockpit, and everything with the sides is so similar
It's just that they forgot that the reason Jedi starfighters did so well was because JEDI were flying them!
>spends large part of the video explaining how Tarkin wanted shield-less fighters for reasons
>only mention in passing on Sienar already developing shield-less fighters on his own, with clear (and generally not bad) idea of agile space superiority starfighter
my fav star wars factions are the sith empire from the old republic, the galactic republic, and the galactic empire. I like playing the empire in star wars squadrons. Sure the tie fighter is fast and maneuverable but adding shields in star wars squadrons at least would boost the popularity of the game
QuiGon: "They have podracing on Malastare. Very fast, very dangerous. You must have Jedi reflexes if you race pods."
Tarking: "OH YEAH BITCH? CHECK MY TIES"
and this is why i don't fly
So according to the Star Wars encyclopedia tie pilots had suits the let them survive in a vacuum for a short period. So it does not make sense in Canon that tie fighters would not have a shield even though they are destroyed by a couple of ship plasma/blaser based weapons.
I supposed nine times out of ten, if the Tie is shot down in space, its wings would be blown off before the main cockpit is. Therefor, the pilot can usually escape unharmed.
Do you think the lack of shields is maybe because they may have interfered with the solar ionization reactor..stopped some solar energy getting to the wings' solar arrays? (Though I know later on Vader's advanced fighter had shields...maybe was different tech..) ?
That could be a good theory.
That's not even close to being the case, it's a mix of cost cutting and a matter of dehumanizing the Empire's pilots to their superiors by making them expendable. Which is idiotic given how long the average TIE pilot takes to train to an acceptable level of skill.
You would think that after the first few battles that the empire would at least equip basic shields on their starfighters. They could’ve been dirt cheap and only got enough for one hit but it’s better than nothing! Or just use a droid starfighter!
Can you make a video on how technology evolved during the Clone War and how it influence the Imperial era?
Why didnt they change the Tie design during the war? They must have noticed that Ties very inefficient
Thrawn tried that, but the money was diverted to the Death Star.
They also got good enough results with the normal ties that most of the admirals and commanders saw no need for new features and designs.
@@karlrovey But that didn't work out too well, did it?
They needed to save money for that Death Star
Awesome video
Because they were expendable; just like the stormtroopers.
Not to me!
I wouldn’t say the stormtroopers were exactly expendable. I mean, yeah, they were used carelessly quite a few times but I’d say the real infantry force that was expendable was the Imperial Army, and not the Stormtrooper Corps.
Every TIE fighter gangsta until X-wings show up.
x-wings broke apart pert good too when shot
I left a like for *Jedi Interceptors*
This is so the main protagonists have something to shoot at
I thought it was something along the lines "performance is the shield" ;)
I think so. But, the Sith mindset is hard for others to adapt, and the budget thing was thrown in there.
What if yoda trained THE CHOSEN ONE please
They should at least keep the shields for advanced or even elite pilots at least who uses tie Fighters very often.
However they choose Fighters that is going to battle is like the beginning of the self destruct sequence.
That resulted in many bases and outposts destroyed and highly damaged.
Have y’all watched rebels?
If not for me......for pilot expendabilityyyyyyy.
Yay new video! :)
If you don't have shields, you try harder to not get shot down.
Man, how about a Star Wars rethink about Palpatine and plagueis never meeting and Sheev becoming a speeder bike racer
They’re meant to be be fast and versatile cheap and replaceable
I always wonder that
They dont have shields because SW is a low-tech universe with poor industrial capacity, therefore even making a few small shield generators would stress the military budget of the great Empire.
Epicness
So Tarkin wanted cheap throw away fighters. I am sure the TIE pilots were "crazy" about that idea. This is the same idea of the Japenese Zero. Later (too late) the Japanese actually developed a fighter that could go toe to toe with the latest American fighter (but, it was too little too late) and the Army and Navy fought over finite resources (thus reducing the total Japanese ability to produce equal fighters).
Except the Jedi starfighters DID have shields; Obi-Wan's fighter in 'Attack of the Clones' clearly had them when evading Jango Fett's attack.
Different model, we're talking about the ones in Ep. III, not II.
Who in their right mind would fly a ship w/o shields?
Jedi, apparently. They did that willingly
@@ABadassDragon yeh they had skills from the Force though to compensate.. (Colonial Vipers BG didn't have shields..and were readily damaged in fights..)
@@neilmurphy966 Yes, but they would be even more effective with shields, something they realised by the end of the war when they got the newer ships, one in the beggining of ep3. 'A knight is skilled, but he still wears armour' me, probably
The Tarkin Doctrine was the bane of the Empire
notthing better than a tie fighter
I've always hated the tarkin doctrine as it was bloated with over confidence and nearsightedness
I just searched for this because my tie doesnt have shields in the new star wars game smh
Pilots and pilot training is always going to be the biggest cost, and that's the investment and resource that should be protected the most. Ships and tech are disposable, but pilots are going to take time to train, and that time can't be created out of nowhere. Otherwise, just use droid pilots.
Idk how true that is, if you look at real life, training a fighter pilot probably costs around $100,000. While even the cheapest F-35 costs 77.9 million. Saving 10% on 77.9 million =7.79 million, which is far more than the $100,000 cost to train a pilot.
We see that they do in literally the first movie.
You should try Empire at War out on your gaming channel. There are a lot of very good mods you’d probably enjoy like awakening of the rebellion and thrawns revenge.
having shields didn't seem to help the X-wings any when they took hits.
That is one thing everyone forgets. Even with the shields, the laser cannons on TIEs were basically strong enough to drain X-Wing shields pretty quickly.
The only time shields seem to have accomplished anything was when Anakin used them in Episode 1.
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And that was because laser cannons weren't hitting the star fighter he was in. It was a regular hand held blaster those droids were shooting at him.
No Shields All Guts.
*NO SHIELD ALL GUTS*
If Vader was Emperor I have a feeling he would have made sure his soldiers and pilots had decent equipment and TIE pilots would have had shields to protect them. Say what you will about Vader, he did at least respect and have a sense of duty to the men and women serving under him.
Nyet, starfighter is fine.
Disney wars still does not understand anything about the TIE Fighter 5 years later
Cheap and cost effective for mass production. Durrrrrrr
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further proof the tie fighter is just thier version of the G.91 R/4
The only reason why the empire didn't put the shields from TIE fighters is because they're "canon"fodder🤣🤣🤣
Beats being Bantha Fodder 😉😆
@@neilmurphy966 that's right!😆
I don't think that Vader would approve
I dont need to watch the video. Its simple swarm attacks, they're very effective. Play xvt or xwa you can put the theory to the test. Plus the cost reduction.
And it can test the pilots' capabilities thus increasing the skill of the pilots. Right on point, as a person who've just watched the video.
Please do not bother adhering to canon in your videos. I like this channel because it doesn’t care about Disney’s stupid canon.
Disposable fighters for disposable people.
They were too expensive
Not actually cannon, this is disney fan-fiction which was de-canonized.
Oh, you poor, poor thing....
Shields are for cowards only.
Therefor you armor tank
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Because Disney made their shields not canon, thinking that they’ll interfere with their vision of their empire
I really hope you're not being serious...standard TIEs lacking shields was long ago established before the "EU" was even a thing
@@stargatecommand714 It's a notable element of some EU media that some TIE models are made with shields and others merely refitted with them at the cost of maneuverability and some speed, most do not feature them at all.