Pilots Violated After Making Wrong Turn

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  • Опубліковано 29 кві 2023
  • Airlines put 2 pilots on the flight deck to make sure if the first one misses something the second one catches it. This is what happens when both pilots miss it.
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  • @ztoob8898
    @ztoob8898 Рік тому +72

    I once got the dreaded "Please call this number after you land," but I was pretty sure I hadn't done anything wrong. At least, no one demanded I "Say intentions" indicating I was where I shouldn't be or pointed the wrong way.
    I placed the call, and all they wanted was my input on a Lear Jet that was in the pattern and made an unexpected 360. They were pretty pissed at that other pilot. I was pretty pissed I didn't own a Lear.

  • @AbslomRob
    @AbslomRob Рік тому +483

    "Be honest, don't make excuses and learn from your mistakes" is something that applies to ALL careers.

    • @imaner76
      @imaner76 Рік тому +22

      And life.

    • @14arma
      @14arma Рік тому +13

      You wont make it very far if your career is politics and play by those rules. Also a lot of sales jobs.

    • @roderickcampbell2105
      @roderickcampbell2105 Рік тому +5

      @@14arma Agreed Doc G. But I had a Iot of interaction with sales folk. Many were very conscientious. And some just walked away from problems. In my experience, the sales folk that were conscientious made a lot more sales. Building relations more than sales per se. Now, politics is another matter alright! But I agree with Abslom, this lesson applies applies across the board.

    • @Cancun771
      @Cancun771 Рік тому +1

      Keep telling yourself that.

    • @imaner76
      @imaner76 Рік тому +4

      @@Cancun771 What do you tell yourself?

  • @ericmcgovern1764
    @ericmcgovern1764 Рік тому +610

    Hearing “I got a phone number for you to copy” from ATC is the equivalent of knowing you are going to get suspended in high school when the “principal wants to see you.” 😢

    • @diegoramirez8674
      @diegoramirez8674 Рік тому +37

      It’s by far worse believe me

    • @CL-we8tn
      @CL-we8tn Рік тому +7

      Oh yeah

    • @erictaylor5462
      @erictaylor5462 Рік тому +32

      It's actually more like seeing red and blue lights fleshing on the car behind you. ATC can issue citations (the paper kind police give you, not the Cessna) but usually it's just a warning, so long as you're not a jerk.

    • @LadyVoldemort
      @LadyVoldemort Рік тому +10

      I don't remember having that certain feeling when my boyfriend saying *"We need to talk"* in high-school (never had any boyfriend until I was a lot older, and until middle-age I never got that "talk").😅
      But I do remember the feeling when my teachers said *"The principle needs to talk with your parents"* several times since Elementary School... 🤣
      Still, I think this is 100x scarier...

    • @scooby45247
      @scooby45247 Рік тому +6

      WAHOO !! 3 day stay-cation !!!

  • @Captain_Reaper
    @Captain_Reaper Рік тому +222

    I've gotten a call like this when I was a flight instructor, there was a loss of separation between my aircraft and another IFR aircraft in front of me. Took a few days, but after the logs and tapes were reviewed it was found that I was not at fault and neither was my student, the tower controller made a mistake. Getting that call was the biggest weight off my shoulders in a long time.

    • @tboniusmaximus3047
      @tboniusmaximus3047 Рік тому +6

      so did they punish the atc?

    • @Mightiflier
      @Mightiflier 11 місяців тому +13

      @@tboniusmaximus3047firing squad

    • @Brtt4849
      @Brtt4849 9 місяців тому +5

      @@Mightiflierhanging

  • @OhArchie
    @OhArchie Рік тому +13

    Pilots Violated?!? Boy, the FAA is tougher than I thought😳

  • @LUATC
    @LUATC Рік тому +122

    I'm a retired air traffic controller. After all these years I still love aviation and I much appreciate your channel. Keep up the good work.

    • @Jeremy_the_bot
      @Jeremy_the_bot 11 місяців тому +2

      Did you ever give pilots a number to call?

    • @ClearedAsFiled
      @ClearedAsFiled 11 місяців тому

      What a great career....!!!!!!

    • @brandondaniels9471
      @brandondaniels9471 11 місяців тому +7

      @@Jeremy_the_bot of course he gave a number for pilots to call ... especially if she was really cute 😉😎

    • @cherylkirkpatrick7094
      @cherylkirkpatrick7094 4 дні тому

      Those were my operating initials, LU
      @ SCT

  • @Probly_a_sweet_potato
    @Probly_a_sweet_potato Рік тому +32

    I feel like “I have a number for you to copy” hits the same as when your parents say your full name. I swear the only reason we have middle names is so we know when we’re in trouble!

    • @suekpp
      @suekpp Рік тому +1

      I dislike my full name even today because of that exact reason.

    • @You.Tube.Sucks.
      @You.Tube.Sucks. Рік тому +5

      Time to break generational trauma. I use my children's middle names lovingly.

  • @notme2day
    @notme2day Рік тому +250

    Be honest and take responsibility is true, not just for pilots.. for everybody. Being honest, making a mistake and learning from it is how you grow and makes you a better person.
    Kelsey is a great guy and why I'm a long time subscriber that's not a pilot.

    • @arielsea9087
      @arielsea9087 Рік тому +13

      That takes humility. Lacking in our society.

    • @DavidKozinski
      @DavidKozinski Рік тому +7

      @@arielsea9087 Unfortunately true.

    • @alandaters8547
      @alandaters8547 Рік тому +7

      This definitely applies to mistakes in the medical field.

    • @Taladar2003
      @Taladar2003 Рік тому +4

      @@arielsea9087 It also takes a lack of a blame culture which is lacking even more.

    • @frankbarnwell____
      @frankbarnwell____ Рік тому

      But if your network ratings are at stake. Lie

  • @karlwilhelm5893
    @karlwilhelm5893 Рік тому +57

    How Kelsey (and all pilots) can understand that high speed prattle from ATC is beyond me. It's like someone on a radio mumbling under their breath how to defuse the atom bomb you're strapped to. Totally outside my ability. I'd be infuriating ATCs by asking them to repeat instructions. A lot.

    • @Photonees
      @Photonees Рік тому +12

      It's a language, if you speak it, you can understand it... we dont know what to excpect to hear, a pilot does...

    • @tabchanzero8229
      @tabchanzero8229 10 місяців тому

      "cledlan"

    • @carlanmiller8911
      @carlanmiller8911 10 місяців тому +1

      I dont work in aviation, but on the railroad which has simmilarily weird jargon and after a while you just get used to it

    • @v1switch
      @v1switch 9 місяців тому +9

      When I was a teenager, I lived in a country with a language other than English for a period of time. I had a working knowledge of that language (3 years in class), but for the life of me, I couldn’t understand anyone when I heard them, let alone respond. Then, one day, around 30 days after I got there, I was hanging out with some fellow kids and realized that not only did I understand what everyone was saying, I really had no problem talking back. It was like my semantic network had hit a saturation point, and like a light switch, everything worked. ATC is like that too. At first it’s all “mumble mumble hold short 20mumble”, and then one day you hear yourself fluently talking with control, and rattling off read backs no prob. It’s the very same thing.

    • @RockBassist2112
      @RockBassist2112 5 місяців тому

      As others have said, it comes with experience. Same with speaking the jargon

  • @bumrocky
    @bumrocky Рік тому +8

    "be honest and tell the truth"....reminds me of the saying "Eat Crow when it's young and tender lest you are forced to eat it when it's old and tough"

  • @jahurska
    @jahurska Рік тому +24

    Reminds me one of my favorite quotes (supposedly) from Mark Twain: “Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more.”

    • @Jeremy_the_bot
      @Jeremy_the_bot 11 місяців тому +1

      I have seen people who can brilliantly accept zero fault and always be able to twist it to someone else's fault. But you are right. For the rest of us, being a little humble and accepting some fault will help us escape a lot of unwise decisions.

    • @ej2953
      @ej2953 4 місяці тому +2

      @@Jeremy_the_bot When at one engineering company as a software developer back in the early 1980s, I was walking down the hallway one afternoon and ran into the company's two hatchetmen.
      One of them asked me how I was doing and I said that I was real happy because I had just fixed a problem that had been bugging me a couple of days.
      His response was, "But who caused the problem?"
      I responded with "Me. I screwed up the data when I did this and this."
      They continued on down the hallway.
      At a party about three or four years later, the one who had been the one I was talking to told me that I could never have impressed the other one more than I did that day. He said that in that entire company, there was only one or two people who would admit fault on anything and that I readily admitted fault on an issue that took two or three days to fix put me in the best of light.

  • @truthteller1246
    @truthteller1246 Рік тому +17

    Everyone loves 74 Gear... Pure class

  • @robertmuller1344
    @robertmuller1344 Рік тому +20

    I got my pilots license back in 1978 as a 19 year old teenager. Flying was easy, the hard part was ground school for me. Had I been able to listen to these videos you make, I would have been much more confident getting on the radio. I really enjoy hearing these, thanks.

    • @chris210racer
      @chris210racer 10 місяців тому +2

      Aye, I’m struggling in my ground now. Flying comes naturally but I’m doing my best to push through the ground. I’m looking to do my solos soon but my instructors are holding me from it until I pass the in house oral.

  • @CanadaMatt
    @CanadaMatt Рік тому +14

    Ode to the Automatic Pilot:
    I really hate this damned machine;
    I wish that they would sell it.
    It never does quite what I want;
    But only what I tell it.

  • @jasonvincent1818
    @jasonvincent1818 Рік тому +112

    I love the way you explain in great detail....I could kick back and listen to all your pilot stories over a beer

    • @angelenathomas-scruggs4308
      @angelenathomas-scruggs4308 Рік тому +3

      He has to be a teacher

    • @margotrosendorn6371
      @margotrosendorn6371 Рік тому +4

      Kelsey is the kind of guy I'd like to chat with over a beer in general. I bet we'd have some laughs

    • @Anna_Xor
      @Anna_Xor Рік тому +3

      You can have a beer & Kelsey can have free breakfast! 😄
      Honestly I would prefer to hear what other people have to say about Kelsey. And by that I mean I just want to hear them talk about how he's so angelic and always stays out of trouble of course. 😏

    • @arielsea9087
      @arielsea9087 Рік тому +5

      He’s very intent when watching the video. As if he wants to fix the problem real-time.

    • @jasonvincent1818
      @jasonvincent1818 Рік тому +4

      @@arielsea9087 His break down of situations is genius

  • @Alexiosftw
    @Alexiosftw Рік тому +10

    ATC is like the disappointed dad of the skies

  • @poorsvids4738
    @poorsvids4738 Рік тому +10

    I'm amazed how pilots can listen and follow a controller quickly saying a lot of numbers and things with audio quality that matches a drive-through speaker. A slight misunderstanding can lead to big trouble and you can have pilots/controllers from all around the world.

  • @Hagemann666
    @Hagemann666 Рік тому +10

    Here is what I've learned from Kelsey and 74 Gear in the few years that I've been enjoying it: I would be SUCH a terrible airline pilot.

    • @standartenfuhrerhanslanda343
      @standartenfuhrerhanslanda343 10 місяців тому +4

      Same. Lol. I would be overwhelmed at the first sight of a problem. Thank God for the professionals in the flight deck!

  • @Noodlyk18
    @Noodlyk18 5 місяців тому +1

    I love this one just because you can read so much into the pilots' voices lol. The silence, then the "...go ahead ready to copy" said in such a defeated tone.

  • @paulis7319
    @paulis7319 Рік тому +54

    I violated DC airspace once due to weather at low altitude (in a PA-25) and I couldn't get anyone on the radio to let them know what I was doing. By the time I made radio contact I was already out of the airspace and getting ready to land. Yep I had to call a number. Once they checked the weather and found it was worse than my briefing, all was good. Then I advised them to check on the 121.5 radio cause that wasn't working either (yes I tried it). Turns out that was out of service and not NOTAMed.

  • @davidp2888
    @davidp2888 Рік тому +10

    Sunday morning video from Kelsey is as comforting as a good cup of coffee.

    • @lora4624
      @lora4624 Рік тому

      And both at the same time = perfection

  • @gcorriveau6864
    @gcorriveau6864 9 місяців тому +3

    The dreaded, "WE NEED TO TALK" transmission from ATC... Well covered Kelsey - especially the part about being honest and take it as a learning experience. Integrity, honesty and humility are among some of the most important qualities every pilot needs to ensure a long career.

  • @java6417
    @java6417 Рік тому +51

    Kelsey - just dropping in to say thank you once again for educating me on all things flying, and doing it with a great sense of humor. I found your channel about 2 years ago and still look forward to that little bell letting me know it’s Kelsey time once again! ❤

  • @bt49730
    @bt49730 Рік тому +13

    The title was phrased in an interesting way, I was thrown for a loop 😂 I thought pilots were literally violated

    • @mikoto7693
      @mikoto7693 Рік тому +2

      I knew they hadn’t been, but all the same it was misleading.

    • @toddsmith8608
      @toddsmith8608 Рік тому +1

      Welcome to the internet.

    • @iangosling28
      @iangosling28 Рік тому +1

      Clickbait

  • @edjarrett3164
    @edjarrett3164 Рік тому +14

    Great lesson. I think everyone who has flown for a number of years.has received that dreaded call. I got mine flying out of CAFB , CA. I was instructing students (3pilots) and I either missed an altitude or heading as we were hopping between airports. I called once we were on the ground. Apologized profusely and owned it. Nothing came from the incident; however, I was much more attentive after that flight.

  • @defuflorin
    @defuflorin Рік тому +4

    At 10:21 it`s Hotel Victor Quebec...other than that...a great informative video as always. Thank you Kelsey!

  • @Flies2FLL
    @Flies2FLL Рік тому +19

    This is why I believe in the "T brief", in which you go across the autopilot panel and describe what is set and how you are going to use it. "Heading select at 400 feet, Vnav at 1000, I've got our heading 235, you've got the derate in...." and so forth.
    If they had done this, they would have caught that they weren't cleared to a fix, they were cleared to fly a heading.
    This sort of mistake is real easy to make! Phraseology can help as well, "Cleared for takeoff runway 24, left to 235 degrees" could have clued them in as well.
    Great video!

    • @giancarlogarlaschi4388
      @giancarlogarlaschi4388 Рік тому +3

      At Qatar Airways we would read Directly from the FMC ( ACARS , and printed Clearance ckd .) : Rwy - Dep - Transition , verify : set / reset the MCP / Transponder / Dep. Frequency.
      Then I would punch the Performance page waiting for the Loadsheet , at the same time having the EFB ready.
      Meanwhile , Everybody was talking to you !
      Getting the Loadsheet - Print it , Sign it , Check the Logbook is signed and on Board .
      Give the signed Loadsheet copy to the Station Manager , clear the Senior Purser to close the door ...and Get Everyone Out of the Flight Deck 😎 , Before you punch Performance Numbers on the EFB and FMC .
      Cheers Mate !

    • @Flies2FLL
      @Flies2FLL Рік тому +3

      @@giancarlogarlaschi4388 Sounds familiar. We do the departure brief from the Jeppesen page, then get the prelim and do the performance. After the performance briefing, we then do the "T brief". The T brief is a quick 30 second statement of just how the departure would be flown and what would be on the screens/radios. Works well.
      Cheers!

    • @giancarlogarlaschi4388
      @giancarlogarlaschi4388 Рік тому +3

      @@Flies2FLL
      For us it was a Very Precise step by step process, with a through briefing before asking Departure Clearance , so then , when we got to Performance Numbers , we had Only to Check Weight - CG - Trim - Speeds.
      I Always wanted to arrive Early to my Plane, just to have plenty of time and Not be Rushed.
      Its SILLY to Rush an Stress yourself on Preflight , when you will be flying for 13 /16 hours ...
      I'm Happily Retired now ...but I will Always Remember my " Line Days ".
      All the Best !
      😎😉
      Ps. During the Departure Brief we would have airport / departure SID on the EFB .

    • @toddsmith8608
      @toddsmith8608 Рік тому +1

      @@giancarlogarlaschi4388 that's great but none of what you listed would catch the assigned heading of 235. It wouldn't be in your fmc, printed clearance, efb, or anything else you mentioned. What Flies2FLL mentions about "heading select at 400 ft" would remind you to initially fly an assigned heading instead of what's in the box.

    • @giancarlogarlaschi4388
      @giancarlogarlaschi4388 Рік тому +1

      @@toddsmith8608
      Not Blaming anyone ...just saying how we did it .
      Nobody is Perfect on our Profession.
      Your are adressing a Very Basic issue ...
      And haven't you had a late heading , direct to before entering the Rwy ?
      Comm' on ...

  • @garyb8528
    @garyb8528 Рік тому +165

    Yep, happened to me during IFR training. I admit it was a brain fart, but I was greeted by the nastiest controller possible. First, I wanted to get clearance to do a missed approach and go to the hold fix and learn how to properly enter and fly a proper hold (I didn’t have a graphic gps so I had to time each leg). The approach controller yelled at me and said I cannot practice at his airport KGON. He was really nasty to me so I just went ahead with a missed approach . Turned me over tower and I just declared a missed approach and wanted to go back to my home airport KHPN. Here’s the mistake, which is my own fault. I continued flying but missed the right turn she told me to do. Then, to my surprise, had me go back to approach and the shit hit the fan! The same nasty controller said I was given a right turn. Then quite intentionally and overly aggressive told me “so you want to do some holding practice, he sent me to the hold fix at the appropriate altitude. After two circuits, he had me climb a thousand feet while still in hold. Two circuits later, another altitude change. By now I knew, for sure, he was enjoying torturing me. I could have just given up and flown away VFR, but I didn’t want to give this aggressive, vindictive controller the satisfaction by cancelling IFR. But during the third altitude change, my head was pounding so I cancelled IFR. That’s when I got the “ we have to talk!” He asked me why I deviated from the right turn and I honestly apologized and said that I was in training and had made a mistake. He had rattled me early with his brutal admonishment against practicing at his airport. Are you ready to copy a number, he asked. I copied it down and when we returned home my instructor called. He said it was his fault and spoke with someone. He asked to pull the tapes and see what this controller had put me through since the beginning and during the hold. I was really flustered and didn’t fly IFR for a week. There are nice ways to get a point across and I happened to come across one with a real bad attitude. Nothing came of it.

    • @someguyontheinternet7165
      @someguyontheinternet7165 Рік тому +12

      Weird that they weren’t okay with practice approaches. KGON is super popular among student / IFR training pilots. I’ve not had an issue there (yet at least) but I usually tic tac toe my approaches so on the go I can transition almost immediately to my next approach. I try to keep my practice holds out in lower traffic areas. My guess is because there are so many low hour pilots they want to minimize unnecessary traffic, even when you have every right to be there. I have heard some abrasive calls with Bradley approach before too so you’re not alone. I heard (unconfirmed) through the grape vine they had a couple close calls a few years ago and since have been under the microscope. I think that’s why some of the controllers out there will chew you out for anything shy of perfection.
      I also like to add in the remarks section of my filed flight plan that it’s an IFR training flight. I figure they might be a little more understanding if they realize it before hand.

    • @sirgryzli6284
      @sirgryzli6284 Рік тому +7

      It always amazes me that VFR flight or swiching to VFR is some kind of magic happening in the US. Like the aircraft disappears and is no factor to anything. Do You have so much D or E class airspace there?
      In Europe we have more C or B I guess. So (just an example) if You would switch to VFR in that hold, it is still be my job as a controller to find Your way out of it followed by further instructions and clearences.
      Also "possible pilot's deviation" sounds always funny to me. We just give a number to clarify situation or file a report without taking unnecessary time on frequency. Knowing that just culture is one of the bases in our job.

    • @blake9908
      @blake9908 Рік тому +12

      @@sirgryzli6284 We have a TON of class E and G in the US, for some pilots, after training, they could go their whole private pilot life without entering a class D or above airport.

    • @FlightX101
      @FlightX101 Рік тому +13

      @@sirgryzli6284 Outside if the BIG cities we have a crap ton of space. on a decent day you can just declare VFR and mind your business (just be smart about it :)

    • @colddripgaming
      @colddripgaming Рік тому +4

      Human factors are a big thing and ATC sounds like they were causing undue stress

  • @thomasgiovinozzo4059
    @thomasgiovinozzo4059 Рік тому +29

    Kelsey, this was one of the best “inside baseball” videos I have seen from you, and appreciate the proper context, respect, and detail you provided. You are a class act.

  • @debrabaker1009
    @debrabaker1009 Рік тому +34

    Thanks Kelsey for taking the time to share your knowledge with us. It really helps me.

  • @ascarneyNJ
    @ascarneyNJ Рік тому +3

    I once got a "we have a number for you to call" from NY Approach after there was some confusion about my altitude assignment. When I called, they apologized to me for not handling me as the ifr flight that I was. Apparently, while I was completing the short flight they verified I had filed ifr, got clearance before takeoff and was checked in ifr after takeoff with an ifr altitude assignment. But, apparently the handoff-ee controller took me as vfr. There was no issue and the weather was vfr. Seemed no biggie to me but apparently it was a significant error judging by the way they acted.
    I'll always remember that. Made me feel like a big important pilot in my little Mooney.

  • @FrazerBoorman
    @FrazerBoorman Рік тому +5

    1million subscribers! Congrats!
    Glad you’re still making these videos

  • @dreadpiratesidebeard9471
    @dreadpiratesidebeard9471 Рік тому +6

    I must admit, when I first read the title for this video I thought something quite sinister had happened to the pilots...

  • @mattwingfield7389
    @mattwingfield7389 Рік тому +12

    Agreed. Anytime someone says "please call" or "come to my office", heart drops and thinking "oh crap, what did I do this time?"

    • @michaelm1
      @michaelm1 Рік тому +4

      Happened to me this week. The boss of my boss requested a visit in his office. Actually, he was pretty nice, chatty and friendly, making jokes and all that. The knife he stuck in my back still hurts, though.

    • @9rune5
      @9rune5 Рік тому +3

      @@michaelm1 I too had a similar experience this week! My boss' boss got straight to the point (saved the pleasantries for after). Half of us were told to find jobs elsewhere (my boss included). Fortunately my contract gives me six months' notice.

    • @lisalannom4397
      @lisalannom4397 Рік тому +3

      Luckily for me, I had detailed documentation against my antagonists that saved my job! 12 pages, 11-font, single-space, narrow border, of the prior 9 months. I was transferred out! 😊

    • @JoshuaTootell
      @JoshuaTootell Рік тому +2

      I had that happen to me once, at a very unexpected time and place (during some military training away from my home unit). I was pretty freaked out about what I did.
      Found out a close friend I was stationed with was killed.
      So I don't handle those calls the same way anymore

    • @RideAcrossTheRiver
      @RideAcrossTheRiver 3 місяці тому

      Manipulative managerial types use that tactic. Ignore it.

  • @jim5148
    @jim5148 Рік тому +6

    I hate getting violated when I'm flying. 😁

  • @soupafi
    @soupafi Рік тому +4

    You know it's gonna be good when you hear "prepare to copy a number"

  • @conlethbyrne4809
    @conlethbyrne4809 Рік тому +4

    Hi Kelsey, This is one of my favourite videos from yourself. It's detailed, but the explanation is the key. I'm a simmer & love this type of information. Honesty is always the best policy, Slainte ❤

  • @derail516
    @derail516 Рік тому +35

    As a Roanoke resident, I never thought I'd hear Kelsey talk about KROA in one of his videos. We're not exactly a major hub, just a small regional airport in a bowl of mountains.

    • @MisterPlanePilot
      @MisterPlanePilot Рік тому +4

      Yup I'm in Bedford, loved doing landings jn KROA during training, never thought they'd be on this channel lol

    • @KKEM641
      @KKEM641 Рік тому +2

      I went to college in C-burg about 30 years ago. I was once over the area at sunset. Nothing like seeing the Mill Mt Star from above.

    • @derail516
      @derail516 Рік тому

      @@KKEM641 In MSFS 2020 the Star is just a star shaped building flat on the ground. Very disappointing!

    • @KKEM641
      @KKEM641 Рік тому

      @derail516 sad...too bad it could not be 3D...I still remember seeing the Star from I-81 the first time at night..

    • @ethanelliott3741
      @ethanelliott3741 Рік тому

      Same here

  • @feese_757
    @feese_757 Рік тому +6

    THATS MY HOME AIRPORT!! Wow best video of yours yet!

  • @erich930
    @erich930 Рік тому +15

    It’s not the mistake you make that gets you in trouble, it’s how you deal with it.

    • @Jeremy_the_bot
      @Jeremy_the_bot 11 місяців тому +4

      I wish people understood this when talking to police.

    • @marcgehr9313
      @marcgehr9313 8 місяців тому

      Think nixon

    • @marcgehr9313
      @marcgehr9313 8 місяців тому

      Think Clinton

  • @Kjtravels40
    @Kjtravels40 Рік тому +5

    Another great Sunday video from my favorite 747 pilot, well done Kelsey!

  • @beccyvc5743
    @beccyvc5743 Рік тому +6

    My favorite part of Sunday is when Kelsey drops a new Video!

  • @deltalima5649
    @deltalima5649 Рік тому +9

    As a controller, I’ve got a couple things: I’ve never heard a heading given during a pre-departure clearance like that. Maybe this place has different procedures than other facilities but I’ve never been taught to do it that way. Headings are normally given during a takeoff clearance or a release from an uncontrolled airport. Second, it sounds like the departure controller didn’t have much going on. I’ve never violated a pilot unless there was a safety problem, like a loss of separation or going into an MVA or something like that. Otherwise I let it go if nothing bad happened. That’s not necessarily a good policy on my part but I usually err on the side of no harm, no foul. That being said, in this particular case the tower or a supervisor might have questioned what happened, so it might have become an official thing.
    And for pilots reading this, remember it’s a POSSIBLE pilot deviation. A lot will depend on the phone call and the circumstances involved. If I was this pilot I’d definitely mention that they didn’t get assigned a heading during takeoff, and I’d make sure not to cop an attitude with the person you’re talking to…this is usually going to be a supervisor who should have reviewed any recordings and talked to the controller involved. Filing a NASA form will also cover you in most situations so make sure to do that. The supervisor may just remind you to make sure you’re clear on procedures and let it go at that, they won’t necessarily elevate the situation to FSDO.

    • @deltalima5649
      @deltalima5649 Рік тому +3

      So just a quick follow-up, I asked around and there are some places where issuing a heading during the pre-departure clearance is common practice. I’ve still never heard it myself at the three facilities I’ve worked at so it must be a regional thing.

    • @N1120A
      @N1120A Рік тому

      I get a heading on the clearance all the time

    • @rsavela2
      @rsavela2 Рік тому +1

      Pretty common at Delta towers for light aircraft to get a heading as part of the clearance, but also more common to hear radar vectors -- makes it really clear we aren't going to a fix. Usually from delivery or ground at smaller airports. Bigger airports a heading tends to come from tower.

    • @deltalima5649
      @deltalima5649 Рік тому +3

      @@rsavela2 Yeah, the scenario in this video is exactly why I wouldn’t recommend giving a heading until takeoff or until releasing from an uncontrolled airport. But it’s not technically wrong, I just haven’t heard it done that way before.

    • @garystewart3110
      @garystewart3110 9 місяців тому

      I've always had good experiences with controllers, I just tell them hey I'm a student pilot. Only question I was asked is what is the reason for my go around. I responded I overshot my turn so he made me do a couple of 360s lol. I also think I was given an intersection departure once but I taxied all the way to the end. I imagine he just sighed as I taxied to the end of a 9000ft runway in a piper Cherokee. It was my first solo at a class delta airport. Thanks for what you all do everyday!

  • @Taylor314T5
    @Taylor314T5 Рік тому +2

    Great video. Love this channel and the effort you put into them.
    Though not a pilot, I learn a lot to implement into my simming.

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 Рік тому +4

    There was that time Harrison Ford landed on a taxiway. He got a number and they had the phone call recorded.
    He calls the tower and says, :This is the (dumbass) who landed on the taxiway." He didn't try to make excuses and he didn't argue and just he just got a warning.
    A lot of people called out "celebrity privilege" but a lot of pilots said this was a typical result.
    The media tried to make a big deal that her flew over an airliner but it wasn't really a near disaster.
    I have discovered that not making excuses and arguing is extremely effective in getting out of a ticket. It won't always work, especially if you have a lot of tickets on your record, but it will work more often than not.
    I even got out of a ticket for running a red light and coming *REALLY* close to crashing into a cop car. I was honestly really shocked when the cop said, "I'll let you go with a warning this time."

  • @jackmcslay
    @jackmcslay Рік тому +5

    2:42 as a programmer I feel sorry for pilots when their instructions look as cryptic as Assembly language

    • @chrisstromberg6527
      @chrisstromberg6527 Рік тому

      You should see the CPDLC reroutes we get! Sometimes it's easier to just call and get every confirmed from the controller.

  • @SirCarlosMusicBMI
    @SirCarlosMusicBMI Рік тому +1

    Thank you for another awesome video today.
    You always make so much sense when explaining things to us.
    Have a great Sunday. Blessings, Carlos ✝️🙏❤️😊❗️

  • @user-yl8dk5qv2v
    @user-yl8dk5qv2v Рік тому +1

    Good morning Kelsey from Buenos Aires I love your videos.Thank you so much

  • @Gamemaster34762
    @Gamemaster34762 Рік тому +6

    I love this video please keep going. Keep up the good work!

  • @bikkies
    @bikkies Рік тому +42

    Once again I see parallels with other professions. I'm a nightshift team leader in IT support. I drill into my team that all of us WILL make mistakes, and the first thing to do is pause & tell another team member. Don't try to whitewash it or bury it. Unless there has been a deliberate and malicious intent, something discriminatory or violent, pretty much everything else can be dealt with. I play my role and remain the person ultimately responsible to my own management, I don't throw the individual under the bus, and all of us try to gather some learning. We can't change what's happened. This mindset works well for us because some nights it's my own turn to mess up. That happened recently, I did exactly what I ask of others, we worked it out and it was fine. Someone else made a mistake more recently that ended up being quite impactive, but again we followed our rules & we sorted it out calmly. Until someone invents a time machine, mistakes will happen in all industries and it's our shared responsibility as professionals to identify and control them with timeliness & honesty.

    • @lisalannom4397
      @lisalannom4397 Рік тому +3

      I hear you and agree! Whether doctoring or digging ditches, piloting is pouring pancake batter, if EVERYONE treated their jobs, and peers, as if it/they're the best, things would be so much better!

    • @yukon_wilderness
      @yukon_wilderness Рік тому +4

      Mistakes get worse when covered up. Being open and addressing right away is good practice. OP has a good system.

    • @CrimFerret
      @CrimFerret Рік тому +3

      I'd much rather work at a place where, if a mistake is made, the goal is to fix the issue, learn from it, and see if there's some change needed to make sure it doesn't happen again, than a place where the goal is to assign blame and cover one's rear end.

  • @JussiHemlund
    @JussiHemlund Рік тому

    I love this channel. Your stories are interesting and informative. Keep it up.

  • @maxwellmwanza5529
    @maxwellmwanza5529 Рік тому

    I like how you explain these incidents. You do a good job.

  • @webcucciolo
    @webcucciolo Рік тому +36

    Reading back IFR clearance is one of my favorites. Especially when I manage to write everything and repeat back on the first attempt 😂
    I guess we are all complacent with the usual "fly runway heading", or being given a SID. This time they were given something different, and it messed up their "usual flow". Luckily, I fly Warriors, 172s, and Seminoles. No fancy electronics to load 😂

    • @MasterCarguy44-pk2dq
      @MasterCarguy44-pk2dq Рік тому +2

      Ah but in this case, they were not told fly rnwy heading but 235°. And this arpts current heading for rnwy 24 is 237°. This why we must read and articulate slow, not to slow but not ricky-racer fast because theres no contest and no one will be impressed with "speed of read-back", until this happens, then they're unimpressed that the simple directives were not followed and how someone was not paying attention. I see it often in newer pilots and more in younger first time, non military and non line experianced, under age 30 pilots. Slow down, listen closely, triple check everything. Its these ever more common mistakes that are pushing aircraft manufacturers and various regulating agencies like faa, to remove pilots from the cockpit and push for AI & autonomus systems.

    • @NoName-zn1sb
      @NoName-zn1sb Рік тому

      @@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq not too slow

    • @MasterCarguy44-pk2dq
      @MasterCarguy44-pk2dq Рік тому +2

      @@NoName-zn1sb That is kind of obvious duh.

    • @chrislnflorida5192
      @chrislnflorida5192 Рік тому +2

      What I did t understand was the Right turn.
      If the Clearance was fly heading of 235°, Runway departure was 238°, then wouldn't that be a slight Left turn?

    • @webcucciolo
      @webcucciolo Рік тому +7

      @Chris lnFlorida that's the deviation. They were cleared to 235 (almost RW heading), but their response is that they thought they were cleared to the first waypoint, which is way to the right. That is because, after reading back the 235, they didn't change the plan on the flight computer. So, instead than the slight left to 235, they turned right directly HVQ.
      So, after departure they turned right when not cleared to do so. When the departure controller asks if tower cleared them for right turn (implying that she didn't have that information. And indeed tower had not cleared them for the right turn), they say that they had been cleared for the first waypoint, which required the right turn. But this was wrong, so their right turn constitute a pilot deviation from the clearance of following heading 235

  • @chrisstromberg6527
    @chrisstromberg6527 Рік тому +21

    This is among 1 of probably 1000 other "gotcha's" that we encounter daily with ATC as pilots. Then you have the controller who is a fast talker, the controller who uses non-standard phraseology, the controller that can't keep his callsigns straight, the list goes on, and it all comes down to the pilot being able to read the instructions back, understand the instructions and then follow them.

    • @toddsmith8608
      @toddsmith8608 Рік тому +2

      Chris, you're right, but you gotta admit there's a long list of these same things and more that us pilots are guilty of. No way would I want to be a controller!😁

    • @chrisstromberg6527
      @chrisstromberg6527 Рік тому +4

      ​@@toddsmith8608 I never said that pilots were without guilt when it comes to pilot deviations/violations. I have nothing but the highest respect for our controllers here in the US! I was simply stating that there are a multitude of external factors/additive conditions that can result in a pilot deviation.

    • @DRV-mt5dd
      @DRV-mt5dd Рік тому +4

      I still believe all ATC should spend some time in cockpit, and all comercial pilots should spend some time in tower.
      Even if simulator for both jobs.

    • @LWCobra
      @LWCobra Рік тому +1

      @@DRV-mt5dd 100% accurate, I learned a ton by taking fam trips and riding in the cockpit.

  • @medicalopsgirl
    @medicalopsgirl Рік тому +2

    Good morning Kelsey! BWI was having a big 747 party yesterday. I wondered if you were there. Cargo was unbelievably busy. Have a beautiful week, sir. We so appreciate you. ❤

  • @KozacraS
    @KozacraS Рік тому

    Congrats on 1 million subs! Love your videos!

  • @arch454
    @arch454 Рік тому +2

    good advice Kessley .admit your mistake and what you learned, have done that in the past (not a pilot lol), and have had new trainees where I worked always said the same, make a mistake tell me, and then we will sort it out, found it always worked well, and help with "trust" in a work environment.

  • @utrock5067
    @utrock5067 Рік тому +3

    So much knowledge and it's such a shame no big filming studio has a decency to hire a pilot for consultaiton, whenever they shoot a plane scenes.

  • @ilznidiotic
    @ilznidiotic Рік тому +2

    The way you phrased the title makes it sound to a layman like the pilots' punishment for getting lost was... sexual in nature.

  • @stephenhenley7452
    @stephenhenley7452 Рік тому

    Absolutely wonderful descriptions of the Victor airways!

  • @timothypropst238
    @timothypropst238 Рік тому +17

    As a retired center controller and now an Airbus captain I can say that a Brasher warning does not mean a certainty of a pilot deviation. Many times it’s just a chat and that’s the end of it.

  • @otakop67
    @otakop67 Рік тому +4

    I fly in and out of ROA frequently. Depending on which controller you get, they can be pretty level headed and chill.

    • @KKEM641
      @KKEM641 Рік тому

      Pretty much decides that entire area....

  • @vladimirgluten5269
    @vladimirgluten5269 11 місяців тому +1

    Awesome work as always, keep it up, God bless you.♥🙏

  • @stuartmellor-3463
    @stuartmellor-3463 Рік тому +2

    This wasn’t quite what I’d expected, from the Thumbnail I assumed that the pilots were both Bummed good and hard once they got back on the ground !!!

  • @bodhi8260
    @bodhi8260 Рік тому +5

    I will be a pilot in my next life because of you! Love your videos as a couch pilot in this life, though!

  • @JCtheMusicMan_
    @JCtheMusicMan_ Рік тому +4

    Clear and concise communication is critical in human interaction. I agree that ATC should leave nothing out. However, I’ve learned that owning mistakes or oversights usually has the best outcomes.

  • @Volkaer
    @Volkaer Місяць тому +1

    "Pilots Violated after making wrong turn" - honestly, I knew it wasn't what it sounded like, but the mental image is still there XD

  • @varga2180
    @varga2180 Рік тому

    Hey Kelsey. Some good points! In our Airline we have the policy when it gets to the moment of the clearance, both pilots have to be on the headset and verify the clearance. Unless it comes via ACARS. Best regards from Switzerland. Michael

  • @SkipFlem
    @SkipFlem Рік тому +6

    Right up there with 'whose bra is this'...

  • @camward9293
    @camward9293 Рік тому +3

    I know what you meant on the title of the video, but I'm gonna be honest, my mind went.....somewhere else when I first read it.

  • @zk9058
    @zk9058 Рік тому

    Love how you recreate the flight with MSFS. Great video…keep it up!

  • @richardmccarthy9580
    @richardmccarthy9580 Рік тому

    Great video…. Brought a smile to my Sunday

  • @dmack1827
    @dmack1827 Рік тому +3

    I have checked crews that operate in the "information is power" mode and do not communicate changes to one another. I can guarantee the one withholding the information during a check-ride will fail.

  • @RobinHood70
    @RobinHood70 Рік тому +3

    "Pilots Violated" had me thinking something very different had happened. Seemed rather harsh for a wrong turn.

    • @mikoto7693
      @mikoto7693 Рік тому +1

      Eh I suspect clickbait.

    • @RobinHood70
      @RobinHood70 Рік тому

      @@mikoto7693 Yeah, that occurred to me. Wasn't sure if Kelsey would do that or not.

    • @mikoto7693
      @mikoto7693 Рік тому +1

      @@RobinHood70 The thing is that I think it might have had a different name a few days ago. I think I remember seeing it before but I could also be mistaken and remembering a different video. Either way this title makes me wonder.

  • @anthonyrossmaund3161
    @anthonyrossmaund3161 Рік тому +1

    Thanks! I love all the content here! I have watched almost all of your videos, I am interested now! I never had a interest in flying, you have peeked my interest! I appreciate all the time you put into this! Great channel, awesome content!

  • @dylanhouse71
    @dylanhouse71 Рік тому +2

    That title was a real toss up “pilot violated “

  • @sidrat2009
    @sidrat2009 Рік тому +3

    Excellently constructed video explanation of ATC & Pilots working together to mitigate risk. I still want a personal jetpack we were promised when growing up in the 1980's. VFR for short distances (Sub 100 Miles) only thank you.
    In MS Flight Simulator I only fly the single engine prop planes and the annoyance factor has always been setting trim for level flight. The bug heading & altitude setting with AP does a good job but there's still a bit of bounce.
    Is that normal in a typical aircraft when the trim isn't set properly or will it happen with changing weather conditions?

    • @gerardoppewal372
      @gerardoppewal372 Рік тому

      Regardless of the trim setting, small variations in altitude are caused by movement of the air you fly through. Also, if you change speed, you have to change trim. Set the weather to 'dead calm'(Can you? Not on MSFS.) and see what happens. In real life I carefully trim the aircraft before switching 'on' AP, and if it get's really bumpy, I hand-fly the aircraft.

  • @trentdavenport7746
    @trentdavenport7746 Рік тому +8

    Funny story about the 'we need to talk' phrase:
    When my wife and I were fairly early in our marriage, she sent me that exact text; while I was at work mind you (was in the US Marines at this point so telling the boss I need to dip because of domestic troubles was not really an option because most of our married folks were having some kind of domestic troubles) so I had to stew for over 6 hours only for me to get home panicked (probably did 20+ over the whole way home) asking what was going on and it was actually about some charge or something on the card that she wanted to discuss because it was somewhat big and she didn't recognize it. Turns out, she was blissfully unaware of the implications of the phrase 'we need to talk' and just sent it not even thinking about it, once I explained it to her, she realized that was a huge goof and that I was in panic mode for more than half my workday because of that text, she was super apologetic and promised to never send that for anything other than it's intended purpose from then on, which she has kept.
    TL;DR: Wife didn't know what 'we need to talk' meant, sent it as a text about an unrecognized charge, stressed me out for over 6 hours about it because I couldn't leave work or call her about it.

    • @salaciouscrumb555
      @salaciouscrumb555 Рік тому

      The only reason you would panic is if you had cheated or stolen money. No Male would ever tell me what words I can use or not use. Pathetic.

    • @Markle2k
      @Markle2k Рік тому +4

      @@salaciouscrumb555 Wrong take. Wrong assumption. The “we need to talk” could come from something in her head exclusively. From “I don’t like the military life” to “I’m having an affair and I’m in love with this person” to, well anything.

    • @salaciouscrumb555
      @salaciouscrumb555 Рік тому

      @@Markle2k wrong, telling people what words they can or cannot use is controlling. If it was an emergency she would not have said we need to talk. So for him to get all anxious, tells me he's done something wrong.

    • @trentdavenport7746
      @trentdavenport7746 Рік тому +2

      ​@@salaciouscrumb555 If you've never lived military life or understand how difficult it is not only for the servicemember but for the family around them, then you have absolutely zero frame of reference to speak from on this particular topic. Due to the excessively long periods we're unable to spend any time with our spouses, affairs tend to run rampant at home while we are out on deployment or running field exercises since the spouses are usually at home all day with nothing better to do, which was kinda what I had been worried about since we had just gotten done with a 3+ month field exercise where I was only able to talk to her even for a few minutes every couple days and I know that she was probably lonely during that time since it was far from the first time that I had heard that from her while I was away on deployment or field training exercises. Also, you assume that I made her make the promise to not use that phrase again, well, ya know what they say when you assume, she made the promise because she didn't want to stress me out again since we actually know how to communicate with each other and care how each other feel in the relationship, this was just an honest mistake in language from not ever experiencing the 'we need to talk' moment in any previous relationships as how they ended.

    • @Letsfightinglov
      @Letsfightinglov 9 місяців тому +2

      ​@@salaciouscrumb555you're single

  • @michman2
    @michman2 Рік тому +1

    Another great video. Thanks.

  • @mitch_lambert
    @mitch_lambert Рік тому

    Hey! I'm from Boise! Never thought I'd see that on one of your videos. Thanks for the great content!

  • @simmonsjoe
    @simmonsjoe Рік тому +4

    I understand and agree with the 'take responsibility and use this as a learning experience' angle, but maybe that should be true for the airline as well? Perhaps special procedures need to be in place for airplanes with captain only tillers? It seems like this handoff happening simultaneously with information/task heavy comms does not allow for sufficient verification of information.

  • @Hacker4748
    @Hacker4748 Рік тому +5

    This is the first video from Kelsey where I don't understand what happened. Should they have made a right turn? Should they not? Did they miss putting the 235 into the autopilot? Did they not? Was that the right turn that they did(n't)? What happened? And what was supposed to happen? I miss the explanation 🤔🧐

    • @acelarson1872
      @acelarson1872 Рік тому

      Yeah would it be like 2 planes colliding, I don't get what the big deal is too.

    • @kielmcgowan8584
      @kielmcgowan8584 Рік тому +3

      They were pretty much supposed to fly runway heading 235, instead they made a right turn direct HVQ, controller obviously not expecting that, queries if they were cleared a right turn, the pilots say yes we were given direct HVQ, controller goes ok... then cleared direct there. They likely than called the tower and said did you give them direct, they said no, gave runway heading, and as such the controller came back with a number to call.

    • @Hacker4748
      @Hacker4748 Рік тому +1

      @@kielmcgowan8584
      Thank you, but I guess I'd need a drawing to understand 😁

    • @deanfowlkes
      @deanfowlkes Рік тому +1

      @@Hacker4748 - The runway faces Southwest. Their destination was Northwest. They were told to fly Southwest until cleared to fly to their destination. They did not wait to be told to turn toward the Northwest.

    • @Hacker4748
      @Hacker4748 Рік тому

      @@deanfowlkes
      Thank you very much, but what was the mistake and when did they do it and why (compared to the proper way they should have done it)?

  • @chucks2k
    @chucks2k Рік тому

    Kelsey I’m new to your channel, not a pilot but find your channel so interesting. Just wanted to give you some positive feedback.
    Really looking forward to your next story. 🤙

  • @ryanfrisby7389
    @ryanfrisby7389 Рік тому

    Great video Kelsey!

  • @christking85
    @christking85 Рік тому +3

    4:46 I dont care what anyone says. A lot of the controllers speak horribly and try to go to fast. It seems like an ego thing. You can say " there a lot going on" but the difference between 1.2 secs and 2 secs does not make a difference unless you are in an emergency situation. There are a lot of controllers who speak clearly and slow enough to properly hear them while still speaking fast enough to have things progress smoothly.

    • @Anna_Xor
      @Anna_Xor Рік тому

      He sounds normal at X2 speed & he sounds slow at normal speed.

    • @flyingheart2007
      @flyingheart2007 Рік тому +1

      I seldom have trouble with controller speed. He sounded fine to me. If a controller does get too fast, I just ask them to slow down. They also tend to respond at the same speed as the pilot who calls them up.

    • @christking85
      @christking85 Рік тому

      @@Anna_Xor Obviously ytou are lying trying to be cool and show off. Normal and 2x speed cannot be the same. Try to at least make sense when you try to show off. Also do you really think you are the only one that can listen and understand at 2x? what a weird meaningless flex

    • @Anna_Xor
      @Anna_Xor Рік тому

      @@christking85 I'm lying because I can understand at x2 speed which implies that it's not something people can do. But also you're telling me that I'm not the only one who can understand at 2x speed which means that other people can do it. Which is it & how is it a weird flex? Obviously pilots can understand & there are millions of pilots it can't be a flex.

  • @thepenmen22
    @thepenmen22 Рік тому +6

    At 1 million views, maybe time for the 2nd live stream? Or another meme video? Would be great!

  • @margotrosendorn6371
    @margotrosendorn6371 Рік тому +1

    The animation/flight sim footage is super helpful!

  • @Gazza-mk2ik
    @Gazza-mk2ik Рік тому

    Enjoyed this clip thank U 4 posting

  • @flyingheart2007
    @flyingheart2007 Рік тому +45

    I teach in the area around DC and Camp David. I teach all my students to keep Guard in the second radio, as they are supposed to do. Every few weeks we'll hear, "aircraft at a specific location and distance from a given point, this is the US Air Force on guard. You are approaching restricted airspace. Turn around now." It's said in a testy voice. If the person doesn't listen to several warnings, they are told, "You have entered restricted airspace. Leave and land at the closest airport." That tone isn't just testy...it's hostile. If they have to be intercepted, it's even less pleasant. At that point, the pilot can expect a suspended certificate or extra training depending on the circumstances. Potomac approach can be testy just because they are Potomac. However, most controllers in the area are great to work with. The class D airports in the area, especially, are great with stupid student pilot solo tricks. I seldom hear anyone get the transmission to call the tower. It's usually a fast controller to student teaching moment, which is greatly appreciated by everyone involved.

    • @Captain_Reaper
      @Captain_Reaper Рік тому

      Great controllers are always awesome, especially with students. Teaching out of Vero Beach, all of the tower controllers were really great to my students, especially when they were on solos.

    • @wickedcabinboy
      @wickedcabinboy Рік тому

      @@Captain_Reaper - Do student pilots declare they are on solo flights? Or do the controllers just deduce it from their communications?

    • @Captain_Reaper
      @Captain_Reaper Рік тому +1

      @@wickedcabinboy in my experience students declare if they're flying solo while still working on their Private certificate. I certainly advised all of my students to declare they were on a first solo or a solo flight with the initial tower controller. Our controllers were pretty used to that.

    • @wickedcabinboy
      @wickedcabinboy Рік тому +2

      @@Captain_Reaper - On first solo? You can bet I'd do that.

    • @billhamill
      @billhamill Рік тому

      @@wickedcabinboy At KROA they know who the students are from the plane and communications. If you are flying a DA-40, you are probably a student!

  • @stephenrogers4537
    @stephenrogers4537 Рік тому +3

    Good morning Kelsey👋🏻 from Chicago, 😲hope this day finds you and yours♥️ well and prosperous🤑 brother!
    KEEP THE BLUE SIDE UP 🛩🫡

  • @SanaAar-fk1cs
    @SanaAar-fk1cs Рік тому +1

    Thank for this video 🎉

  • @FlySafe1000
    @FlySafe1000 Рік тому

    Great job explaining things again brother in simple detail. Need to teach classes Sir.

  • @hung-tienhuang3640
    @hung-tienhuang3640 Рік тому +3

    15:00 better start making your tinder profile 😂

  • @tmcleanful
    @tmcleanful Рік тому +3

    Based on the title, I thought the video would consist of a councilor holding a doll and asking the pilots to point out on the doll where the disciplinary board touched them.

    • @mikoto7693
      @mikoto7693 Рік тому +3

      Yeah I kinda got the same impression and I’m almost certain Kelsey did it as clickbait.

  • @jonsloan7900
    @jonsloan7900 Рік тому +1

    Typically when not filing a SID, the clearance is “as filed fly head 235 radar vectors”. That little statement really helps.

  • @timothypropst238
    @timothypropst238 Рік тому

    Same thing happens in Baltimore on the Terpzz departure. There are two different altitudes on the Terpzz and that depends on which fix you are going to. BWI departure just says climb via the Terpzz7 departure without the altitude and it would be so easy to reiterate the altitude.

  • @joemerkel20
    @joemerkel20 Рік тому +4

    3:01 Just out of curiousity, what aircraft was the pilot flying going to Alliance Airport?
    As an air traffic controller, when working tower, I almost always remind pilots who aren’t local of the heading even if it’s in the clearance

    • @toddsmith8608
      @toddsmith8608 Рік тому +1

      I believe that's just a random flight plan from his company that he used to show an example of a flight plan route. My guess based on block time, filed altitude, and fuel reserve would be a B763.

  • @ultrametric9317
    @ultrametric9317 Рік тому +5

    This is more important than it seems I think. Remember the Comair at Lexington? Routine and early morning fuzz made BOTH pilots ignore the fact that they lined up on the wrong (too short) runway. Sad day. So maybe the protocol needs to change so that the heading is not announced until the plane is cleared for takeoff. I can see how he slipped this one.

  • @OfficialSamuelC
    @OfficialSamuelC Рік тому

    Great video as usual Kelsey!

  • @therealpoody7485
    @therealpoody7485 Рік тому

    I love these videos. Very helpful when I become a regional pilot.