FYI, that thread is just a Tommy/Amico circle jerk. Don't go in there expecting to be able to give your honest feelings, especially if you have some critiques of the system or else your posts will either get deleted or you'll get removed from that thread. Tommy and his minions will just label you as a hater/troll.
Welcome to the zero sum game of the internet where If you dont absolutely love something unconditionally then you must be an evil troll hater who dislikes everything and wants every product to fail while laughing with the gleefulness of satan.
Wait wait wait, it's not a paperweight for $200, but instead $198.88? This changes everything!!! Can't wait for my special edition taint smud color. LIMITED!!!
@@BainesMkII Difficult to do nationally. 5 states do not have a state sales tax. The rest vary from 4% to 9.5% sales tax. Several cities and counties add a sales tax too. You'd need to list about 250 variations of the price according to where its bought.
I was sure the Amico was going to be a lukewarm one-and-done failure long before I heard what Pat and Ian had to say about it. I'm in the 40+ crowd, and I in no way think that anything directed at us is going to be a massive game-changing thing. If I want to play classic games, I'll BUY A CLASSIC GAME SYSTEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING EVERYWHERE AND I HAVE MIDDLE-AGE-MAN MONEY.
That is EXACTLY what I am doing now. Especially after the latest lengthy response video from 2019 they went over about a week ago. The absolute spiral out of control is crazy. They genuinely had nice things to say until it turned into the content gold mine it came out to be.
And now everything Pat apologized for, within the first five minutes, doesn't even matter given that both Pat and Ian ended up being completely right in what they called, at this time. So two years ago, what they thought, is the plain truth now in April 2022.
You mean the thing they (Pat and Ian) said happened actually happened, and that everyone (Amico shills) saying they started this whole thing by being negative and personal from the very beginning was bullshit? Wow...
You guys hurt the feelings of a Wii Fit Board with two knock-off iPods stuck to the top, filled with games which hold very little nostalgic value. How dare you!
It’s understandable for someone to get upset when their integrity is called into question...but I feel like when these people get so upset over your comments about their products they are showing thin skin and unprofessionalism. It makes me hesitant to buy something from someone like that
I like how he criticized you guys for not doing “10 minutes of research” and he doesn’t know Ian’s name. A name that’s screamed at the beginning of like 80% of the videos.
I was skeptical about the Amico and had mentioned so in another UA-camr’s comments, Tommy Tallarico said he hoped to prove me wrong. After seeing his comments on Twitter and his child like shenanigans when faced with criticism I can honestly say I won’t be supporting this console at this time. As a father of two young children I am always interested in family gaming and am certainly skeptical at the prospects of the Amico. Pat and Ian’s criticisms have been fair, and because they have not chosen to jump on the bandwagon Tommy feels inclined to attack them, which is disappointing. Maybe Tommy needs a refresher in his PR skills. The negativity that is swirling around the Amico right now sounds an awful lot like the Retro VGS. While it’s certainly commendable that Tommy and co. did not use public funds to finance this console, I question his methods of attacking the “hardcore” gamer in the E3 trailer. The hardcore gamer is not tagged always to violent games, but one that needs to latch onto the latest trends as well. Alienating a hardcore fan base will only limit your scope as you will need those types of players to latch on first to attract more casual fans. The Intellivision name doesn’t have the cache that Nintendo, Microsoft, or Sony has, so it makes no sense to limit your potential fan base. Every dollar counts for the success of this console and this will not succeed if this is the business model they so choose. And no Tommy, I will not debate you.
For those of you who don't know, tommy was a reviewer and host on Electric Playground (a game review tv show) back in the day. He frequently gave shitty reviews to games I liked and acted edgy and full of himself and then disappeared to do whatever after the show was eventually cancelled. Since then Electric Playground has been revived by his former co host Victor Lucas, who besides not acting like a general twat all the time, seemed to have good taste in games, and generally seemed to be a pretty positive and likeable guy. So yeah, I subscribe to EPN (as it's known on youtube) and I happened to catch a livestream of Vic interviewing Tommy about the Amico. Let me tell ya, the live chat was not friendly to him, it was mostly trolling. Tommy just overall came off as someone selling snake oil. So normally when someone does a livestream they keep the recording up on youtube for people to see in it's raw form. Not this one. The interview was chopped up and put online in a somewhat edited form. And the comments section? None of the negativity featured in the livestream. Gone were the "haters", instead replaced by people praising their new savior the Amico
I really do want the Amico to succeed, but while we are discussing physical appearance...the Amico looks like those used foot baths you see at thrift stores, with two portable air conditioner remotes sitting in it.
I will say this, out of all the whacky decisions they made regarding the Amico, that controller was the biggest WTF. Whoever thought that controller design was a good idea should never work in the gaming business ever again. The INTV controller sucked back in 1980 and it'll suck in 2020. A freaking LCD screen isn't going to save the crappy disk pad and side buttons. Have fun playing on those things in long play sessions or even playing something as basic as a platformer. If they don't offer a standard controller option then they are totally beyond help.
Pat and Ian when are you guys going to launch a CU-PODCAST "Retro" Rotary Phone game? You know that people in their mid 40's-50's have nostalgia for the old land line rotary phones we grew up, you could put a 3.5 inch flip up screen on top of the phone handle and you would control your character by inserting your finger into the different number holes to rotating the rotor! Once the rotor returns to its original position then you can make your next move by repeating the process using a different number command! You and the whole family can huddle together and play it with your children and grand children!!! FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY!!! BRING BACK TO OLD STYLE ROTARY PHONES TO INTRODUCE THE NEWER GENERATIONS TO CLASSIC PHONE GAMES!!! (just make sure your do not start turning the rotor using the wrong number or you will have to hang up and start again (Ah the memories!!)
It's nice that Amico's fanbase took time away from Mash reruns and shoveling down tapioca to insult the mean internet men whose opinions they didn't like.
Not sure why AtariAge is like this. They seem against younger people and anyone with actual opinion on things like this. Older people should want younger people to be excited about their consoles. I'm in a Neo Geo group on Facebook and they're always very excited to see younger people enjoying their consoles.
I've said it before and I'll say it again If you don't get the younger crowd interested, the scene dies out within a generation or two. It's overall bad.
I remember when Tommy hosted some show on G4 and he presented himself as a wise-ass condescending prick... now I can see that wasn't an act, it's really him. Shoulda stuck solely with music composition, Tommy, at least you're good at that and we don't have to listen to your smug attitude.
I know how you guys feel, I was jumped on in facebook when they released their recent "trailer" because I criticized it for just being a 2 minute interview of Tommy with 17, 1 second clips of gameplay at the end. I've been supportive and optimistic of the Amico but I don't have blinders on. I need better info in order for me to jump on the bus fully at this point, until then I won't hold back on the constructive criticism.
I thought the same thing. What’s crazy is that the young audience they are trying to attract, might not even confuse those for old iPods, that ref might even be too old. I was like don’t put something that looks like modern technology on top of something that’s party piece are it’s antiquated graphics. But luckily for the machine, the iPod might be old enough to not get confused. This machine is double too old.
@@BENLINUZ The Zune imitated what the iPod introduced and cornered, well after Apple established its eco-system. Both devices were a roughly smartphone-sized, with a screen and a dial/wheel at the bottom half/third. Form and function there earned Apple 500 million units sold and tens of billions in sales. Your argument here isn't a very sound one. We can find some cheap version of anything, point to its abysmal sales and ignore the really successful lead product for just about anything, no?
I love that comment you guys said ... “an army of yes men on Atari Age” LOL. There’s roughly 100 Intellivision fans there. If you Re-release Pong on the Intellivision, they’ll pre-order and give their credit cards. Not a great place to survey for the Amico.
If you're excited for this just because of Earthworm Jim you should watch the live stream Intellivision did. They talked about how this new game will not be a side scrolling platformer like the old one. They stated they don't want to do anything like the old one because that's already been done before. They kept reiterating that it wont come to other systems because the way it is being designed wont work on them. It sounds to me like this new Earthworm Jim game is going to be some mini-game/Mario Party like game that just has the characters that you remember.
Hey!!! The “Foot-Fixer”. I had that in 1978. You put your feet in it and it massages your feet. I guess that’s the controller for more heat and more or less vibration on the bottom of your feet.
I love when you guys get fired up about this stuff, put those guys on blast!!! That thing looks like something I'd see in the place my woman gets her nails done 🤣🤣🤣
Daniel Linger another case of “it would have been better to do nothing at all” you see a lot of from industry old guard who need a pr person not a social media word vomit platform with no editor.
Ok I heard another interview... with the LATEST information. On the Amico. Tommy changes what he’s doing every week. NOW he’s not giving the original games in the console. He’s charging for those in bundles for $250 cdn. Total. What comes with the system is 5 games: New Astrosmash, New Shark Shark, New Skiing, a Dice game, and I think Bags. ..... if this was 1989/90 when I was looking for a new console (and bought a Genesis).... I would have bought the Amico and would have loved it. But it’s 30 years later. I’m not interested in starting ALLLL over with a new console, on blind faith ... and commit to spending a couple thousand dollars (for most of their collection) for something that only maybe 20,000 people will buy and will fade out within 2 years.
I did not know about this until Hbomberguy and Slopes uploaded videos about them and now I'm going down a rabbithole. It's fascinating watching these in order and seeing how this progresses.
I like how this 'big' company is sweating when people are being real and honest about their product. I will not be purchasing this unit, if you Amico, treat youtubers like shyt then no one should invest in this Intellivision.
And these are the good UA-camrs, the honest ones, the people who are passionate about their hobby and like to talk about it like regular people (instead of making unedited let's plays of trendy games or over-edited quick cut vlogs).
jesus christ I'm in tears! The dynamic in the beginning of Pat n Ian being sarcastic while defending themselves. Awesome and hilarious. Please keep doing this when you can.
I was going to write a long thread about how another Elon Musk wannabe game console developer, gets bent out of shape when someone criticises a console they haven't even made yet. The main criticism being that it doesn't have a huge audience. I was going to point out that even if it exceeds there wildest dreams and sells 10,000 units its audience share is less than a pinhead in the world's biggest entertainment market. I was going to point out that said game console developer has invented a product no one asked for in a market that already has family friendly/party alternatives without having to explain to your friends what a fucking intellivision was. I was going to point all this out, but instead I'm just going to sit here and facepalm until this console dies and goes away.
Well.. Your skepticism is well warranted. After all of the promised & failed console promises that were hyped all to hell. I would certainly figure that Tommy would understand that. I for one hope that it is a resounding success, though I am skeptical as well. Given the fact that the only people this would appeal to are probably ( Like myself ) up to their eye balls in debt and others who have kids to take care of & put food on the table. It wouldn't be such a surprise if it did fail because kids today have no concept of the simple games that we grew up with. Most of witch, consisted of action on one screen & literally no story & no end. Kids today would quickly lose interest as they have no knowledge of the historical significance that the Intellivision brought to video games.
I don't get the whole "bringing back couch co-op" angle...seems like they are trying to market this console to people who haven't played games in decades.
To be fair, couch co-op is awesome to have and mainstream gaming has let it die almost entirely in favor of online co-op. However, this system certainly will not be its savior.
I want someone to make a Zardoz parody where Tommys head is replaced the floating stone(?) head. It can say "THE SWITCH IS BAD THE AMICO IS GOOD". Then it spits out a bunch of empty shells of the "Amico".
I’ve always been skeptical about this console because there’s no information about it and that’s always a bad sign but wow, Tommy’s response to legitimate criticism tells me even he knows he’s on shaky ground with this thing. It’s not a good look at all.
I am 33 going on 34 and very spendthrift. If I am going to drop money on a console, am I gonna get: 1: A Switch which has a dozen great games with more coming, a huge indie scene, and recognizable ip's that I have been gaming with all my gaming life. ~or~ 2: A console with games from a by gone era that would have been better off as updated remakes and sold in a collection on Switch/XB1/Ps4/Steam Also I remember playing the Atari when I was 4. I also remember playing NES sometime later and aside from a couple of games on the NES (Star Tropics 1 and 2, and Dragon Warrior 1 namely) I have more fond memories of the SNES. The Intellevision has its place in video game history, but it is time for it to move on
Don't lump all us AtariAge folks in with the Amico fanboys. I for one don't understand why anyone wants to take design inspiration from literally the worst stock controller of any console generation. I wasn't even aware there was an Amico thread on AtariAge. Maybe us AtariAgers (is that the correct term?) with critical thinking skills (that unmasked the Chameleon) are hanging out in the Polymega and Kevtris threads.
I posted some things on there about the hardware design that I thought was an issue, and the thread got deleted that I posted it in. Critical thinking is not allowed when it comes to the Amico.
Yep I stick to the AA threads sans the Kool-Aid drinking. I just lol how Tommy surrounds himself with a bunch of Tommy/Amico worshippers. Remember if you don't drink the Kool-Aid you must be a troll/hater.
@@herbiehusker1889 That's a tricky question. Careful where and how you tread because someone will blow that out of context... But on the otherhand, I agree. I think people are just riding names and hoping to be in the spotlight early so they can say "I was there from the begining. Throg like Amico."
Like his rant on the Nintendo PlayStation guy auctioning his console instead of taking the 1.2 million offer he supposedly got. I have a comment with the timecode on the video just so I can watch it when Im feeling down cuz its hilarious. "THEY WERE GONNA GET THAT 3 MILLION DOLLARRRRRSSSS!!!!" If you care to see: ua-cam.com/video/PNNqrMqe1vI/v-deo.html complete with timecode
Listened to Tommy talk about this console on a podcast. The guy is a delusional marketer if he thinks it's going to sell well. I really see this as a product that no one asked for in an over-saturated market, I wish the engineers would spend their time designing something more useful than yet another second rate games console. Amusing ourselves to death... (hums old Roger Waters tunes)
Even I, who has had disagreements with both Pat and Ian in the past, could see that their discussions on the Amico have been completely free of hater-speak, or fanboyism. I even went back and looked... this being like the 4th or 5th conversation about the device on the podcast, and not one word was seriously biased, it was realistic. Tommy keeps comparing the device to the Wii or DS... that was over a decade ago! And every innovation Nintendo introduced in those last ten years has outlived it's welcome after just a couple years. The only reason motion controls still exist is because it's found a niche market in VR. The Amico is only a year away, and we've only heard vague plans, and seen a 10 second reel of game footage. And I'll be the first to say this, but I remember watching G4, and interviews with Mr. Tallerico and he always came off as kind of an ass. They reviewed a Castlevania game on his show, and he was complaining about fighting skeletons... in a Castlevania game! Smh
@@alpha8299 The only things they got wrong were the price, and that there might be physical media... both of which they retracted first thing in this video. The rest was speculation and opinion considering there is very little information about this product on it's own website... and it launches in a year. If you watch any Judgement Day episode from G4, Tommy constantly interrupts his co-host, and refuses to believe that differing opinions than his own even exist. If back then he admited to being the same in Kindergarten, there's no reason to believe he's changed now. The burden of proof is on him, because almost nothing has been revealed.
If they want this thing to appeal to non-gamers they need to start heavy marketing now. Outside of Pat and Ian I haven't heard of this thing. And I play games very casually.
Tommy be like BRO WHAT IF WE CAPITALIZED ON THE CASUAL MARKET...by making a $200 console that has mobile quality games! Pat and Ian: hey bro, they probably won't buy your $200 console and $$$ on other games if they can play similar games for free or for $0.99 Tommy: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Since I'm not a journalist or anything, I can have an opinion (it's just ridiculous that this sentence makes sense today), and it's that this is going to flop hard, in no small part due to this guy Tommy's attitude. But of course he will probably have already thought of 5 or 6 excuses that put the blame for his failure on others. Skinny Pat & the long hair dude are undoubtedly on that list now and got just promoted to the top 3.
That's what they are saying though. It is too far out, but will this be something people are looking for based off a hint of nostalgia vs established companies during Christmas. Also with the limited name power of the system and franchises will this be viable for them to even make?
There isn't much to judge, that's the problem. Pat and Ian are asking questions and aren't getting any answers. I'm hearing a lot of boasting from a musician turned CEO, a lot of names of industry veterans (very few actually being developers, and fewer of any interest), and an unimpressive games list with 17 seconds of gameplay combined for all of them. There are failed Kickstarters with 10 times more information that what Intellivision has given for Amico. That closed door presentation at E3 seemingly hasn't made any inroads.
After visiting the website and watching the 2-minute trailer, what I see is you're paying $200 for some exclusive mobile games. This machine is far too expensive to compete with the mobile market and far too niche to compete with the big boys at Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. I just don't see where this fits into anything. I get what this Tommy guy is trying to do, but this has epic fail written all over it.
Even if the games were good, I'm not sure what incentives would exist for a developer creating "good" games to agree to an exclusivity contract with an unknown startup such as this (because having exclusives is the only way a startup even has a remote chance of succeeding in today's gaming market). And if the dev creates a quality, hit game, they're going to want it on other, more well-known platforms.
For Pete’s sake, how many fake nostalgia-baiting none-consoles like the Coleco Chameleon, Atari VCS (and now this) do people need to fall for until people realise just buying up an old brand license does not make a game console
People were even skeptical of the NES when they were trying to break ground in the US back in the 80s right after the crash. Even Nintendo had to bust their ass..but they weren't bashing the haters, they let their product speak for itself.
I can see that marketing angle work with the 70s and 80s family-friendly edge - if you stay in character and play it as such. But reading it on the page it really comes across as if they are serious and this thing is supposed to be this modern console competitor in the same price category. At the similiar price point the Switch Light might have.
Tommy Shill-Amico is out of his mind on this one, I'm starting to think the whole thing is some kind of money laundering operation, it definitely seems like a monumental scam. Mobile quality games on terrible controllers for around $200, you might as well get some free mobile games and keep the $200. Tommy has criticised the hell out of Nintendo in the past, so it's fitting that the Switch with a massive library of games will completely destroy the dead on launch Amico.
When the Amico was first announced way back when, for some reason I was intrigued and looking forward to it, but at the same time I remember thinking it's not gonna stick around for very long, it'll probably be another steam machine or Atari VCS, just not as scammy. Now I'm just disappointed in ol' Tommy boy
@@PatTheNESpunk Tommy is tenacious I'll give him that. SoB jumps on every single critical article, vlog and video anxious to proclaim them wrong. Shame he is in for such disappointment in 14 months...or whenever this will actually materialize.
@@coldcoffeeMK2 but that is still violence. Tom and Jerry are cartoons, but that does not mean they don't get violent with each other lol. Just saying they put themselves in a corner with that marketing statement.
Shark! Shark! I had a blast playing that on my dad's Intellivision when I was younger. It won't make me buy this thing but it was a cool game. And yes...the original controller was really uncomfortable to use and only a few games utilised all of the buttons.
Pat, Ian, haters be tripping, yo. Dont mind them. You're the most trustworthy judges regarding this genre of entertainment I know of. Keep up the good work!
"Have fun paying $200 for an updated Shark Shark". LOL, the funny part is these are the kinds of games Tommy thinks will make this system a big hit. He really thinks he has the 2nd coming of the Wii, but the only 2nd coming he will have is in his own pants.
I've been saying it for a long time, but the Amico will definitely release. Tommy is literally putting his name into the device to ensure it's success. The problem is not the games, but the fact that the console itself has no real place in the market. It looks like it will just barely compete with the mobile games market, and won't even get close to being a contender with the Nintendo Switch, or even the Nintendo 3DS. The console is like 10 years too late, to be honest. The fact that Tommy is making each and every game exclusive to the Amico is a clear indicator that he understands this and is trying to boost the appeal of the console itself.
AMICO’S PRICE IS 40$ IN THE FAMILY DOLLAR CLEARANCE BIN. I’m gonna laugh when these are sitting next to the playstation classic in a warehouse...200$ my ass lol, buy a switch (a real console) for that price instead.
I've seen Tommy do a lot of interviews for the Amico and I've been worrying that he's been left to do what he wants rather than being reigned in by PR. So it's likely to turn into a runaway train. It reminds me of Randy Pitchford doing all the pr for gearbox despite being awful at it and just causing more and more problems.
I still look forward to it, and hope it sells well, but I can't condone this sort of behavior. Its just a lot of back and forth and it should just stop on both sides. Besides, just addressing it gives them more attention, and that's something Pat & Ian have said they don't want to give them.
Amico has no chance to be a financial success in this age. None. It could be a fantastic system. I highly doubt it, but it could be done well. It won't matter. BEST case scenario on the business end is it is fondly remembered by the few that purchase it. I'm sure the reality is more something like what happened with the Ouya. Get a bunch of investors who don't know any better to buy in and take the losses for you "Hey this retro stuff is popular now right? I saw those Nintendo machines are selling like gangbusters on the news!", make whatever you can out of it, go down in flames.
Here's the thread on AtariAge: atariage.com/forums/topic/288558-intellivision-amico-tommy-tallarico-introduction-qa/page/57/#comments
FYI, that thread is just a Tommy/Amico circle jerk. Don't go in there expecting to be able to give your honest feelings, especially if you have some critiques of the system or else your posts will either get deleted or you'll get removed from that thread. Tommy and his minions will just label you as a hater/troll.
Oh god, there are new shill accounts popping up to kiss Tommy's butt.
Welcome to the zero sum game of the internet where If you dont absolutely love something unconditionally then you must be an evil troll hater who dislikes everything and wants every product to fail while laughing with the gleefulness of satan.
What Tommy is doing is never a good look, especially with a system hanging on by hollow marketing lingo. Like Stadia, it will be dead on arrival.
Wait wait wait, it's not a paperweight for $200, but instead $198.88? This changes everything!!!
Can't wait for my special edition taint smud color. LIMITED!!!
ANY time a company says MSRP is under $200 that's 'code' for $199.99...more nonsense.
@@crunchyfrog555 In the US, outside of fuel, it is rare to see prices with taxes.
@@BainesMkII unfortunately
@@BainesMkII Difficult to do nationally. 5 states do not have a state sales tax. The rest vary from 4% to 9.5% sales tax. Several cities and counties add a sales tax too. You'd need to list about 250 variations of the price according to where its bought.
This thing is looking worse and worse.
And worse.
@@PatTheNESpunk And worse…
Love the show, btw! Great info!
And even worse...
@@PatTheNESpunk How about now?
I was sure the Amico was going to be a lukewarm one-and-done failure long before I heard what Pat and Ian had to say about it. I'm in the 40+ crowd, and I in no way think that anything directed at us is going to be a massive game-changing thing. If I want to play classic games, I'll BUY A CLASSIC GAME SYSTEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING EVERYWHERE AND I HAVE MIDDLE-AGE-MAN MONEY.
Watching these in order, the negativity ramped way up right here, and it was all thanks to Tommy's own actions. What a shocker.
That is EXACTLY what I am doing now. Especially after the latest lengthy response video from 2019 they went over about a week ago. The absolute spiral out of control is crazy. They genuinely had nice things to say until it turned into the content gold mine it came out to be.
12:25 - Ian's reaction to Pat singing "Amico" in an angelic fashion is priceless.
Turns out everyone had the price wrong. However, going by horseshoes and hand grenades logic, Pat was closer.
Honestly, this podcast is the only place that I hear about this thing. I've never heard anyone talking about this console in the wild, so to speak.
I mentioned it to someone and they had no idea what I was talking about and when I showed them they just said "why would anyone want this?"
It’s the system that no one asked for.
I heard about the system when it was first announced on the kinda funny podcast and they just laughed.
@@MBelasko12 Same.
Terry Beardmore Research done!
If you guys need to apologize about anything it's the fact you said Tommy Tallerico is a nice guy in the videos before this lol
And now everything Pat apologized for, within the first five minutes, doesn't even matter given that both Pat and Ian ended up being completely right in what they called, at this time. So two years ago, what they thought, is the plain truth now in April 2022.
You mean the thing they (Pat and Ian) said happened actually happened, and that everyone (Amico shills) saying they started this whole thing by being negative and personal from the very beginning was bullshit? Wow...
"under 200 dollars"
"physical games"
:)
Oh man, watching this in 2021 is great.
Even better in 2022.
@Adam Wilson *You should see it in 2022.*
2023 here, the fine wine is ready.
2024 is the Vintage Grange'
You guys hurt the feelings of a Wii Fit Board with two knock-off iPods stuck to the top, filled with games which hold very little nostalgic value. How dare you!
It’s understandable for someone to get upset when their integrity is called into question...but I feel like when these people get so upset over your comments about their products they are showing thin skin and unprofessionalism. It makes me hesitant to buy something from someone like that
I like how he criticized you guys for not doing “10 minutes of research” and he doesn’t know Ian’s name. A name that’s screamed at the beginning of like 80% of the videos.
I was skeptical about the Amico and had mentioned so in another UA-camr’s comments, Tommy Tallarico said he hoped to prove me wrong.
After seeing his comments on Twitter and his child like shenanigans when faced with criticism I can honestly say I won’t be supporting this console at this time.
As a father of two young children I am always interested in family gaming and am certainly skeptical at the prospects of the Amico.
Pat and Ian’s criticisms have been fair, and because they have not chosen to jump on the bandwagon Tommy feels inclined to attack them, which is disappointing.
Maybe Tommy needs a refresher in his PR skills. The negativity that is swirling around the Amico right now sounds an awful lot like the Retro VGS.
While it’s certainly commendable that Tommy and co. did not use public funds to finance this console, I question his methods of attacking the “hardcore” gamer in the E3 trailer.
The hardcore gamer is not tagged always to violent games, but one that needs to latch onto the latest trends as well. Alienating a hardcore fan base will only limit your scope as you will need those types of players to latch on first to attract more casual fans.
The Intellivision name doesn’t have the cache that Nintendo, Microsoft, or Sony has, so it makes no sense to limit your potential fan base. Every dollar counts for the success of this console and this will not succeed if this is the business model they so choose.
And no Tommy, I will not debate you.
You got off lucky, Tommy Tallarico ran to the AtariAge forums and lied about myself and my website.
If anything. I thought Pat and Ian were a little easy on the Amico not harsh.
For those of you who don't know, tommy was a reviewer and host on Electric Playground (a game review tv show) back in the day. He frequently gave shitty reviews to games I liked and acted edgy and full of himself and then disappeared to do whatever after the show was eventually cancelled. Since then Electric Playground has been revived by his former co host Victor Lucas, who besides not acting like a general twat all the time, seemed to have good taste in games, and generally seemed to be a pretty positive and likeable guy. So yeah, I subscribe to EPN (as it's known on youtube) and I happened to catch a livestream of Vic interviewing Tommy about the Amico. Let me tell ya, the live chat was not friendly to him, it was mostly trolling. Tommy just overall came off as someone selling snake oil. So normally when someone does a livestream they keep the recording up on youtube for people to see in it's raw form. Not this one. The interview was chopped up and put online in a somewhat edited form. And the comments section? None of the negativity featured in the livestream. Gone were the "haters", instead replaced by people praising their new savior the Amico
here's the interview I was talking about btw ua-cam.com/video/3X6QGHQFD1M/v-deo.html
Tommy doesn't allow any non positive comments...the Intellivision YT channel is heavily moderated.
I really do want the Amico to succeed, but while we are discussing physical appearance...the Amico looks like those used foot baths you see at thrift stores, with two portable air conditioner remotes sitting in it.
@@OM19_MO79 glad I could help.
I will say this, out of all the whacky decisions they made regarding the Amico, that controller was the biggest WTF. Whoever thought that controller design was a good idea should never work in the gaming business ever again. The INTV controller sucked back in 1980 and it'll suck in 2020. A freaking LCD screen isn't going to save the crappy disk pad and side buttons. Have fun playing on those things in long play sessions or even playing something as basic as a platformer.
If they don't offer a standard controller option then they are totally beyond help.
Pat’s only 50 pounds when he’s wet and wearing boots..
“Damn Ian they try to fade you on gameplay” but gameplay only met Ian’s payday!
Lol.. Eazy E forever!
😂should have more likes!
the jaguar also had overlays for the number pad
All the successful consoles have them.
@@PatTheNESpunk Burn! Lol.
Wait, wasn't the COLECOVISION successful? Don't not debate me.
Pat and Ian when are you guys going to launch a CU-PODCAST "Retro" Rotary Phone game? You know that people in their mid 40's-50's have nostalgia for the old land line rotary phones we grew up, you could put a 3.5 inch flip up screen on top of the phone handle and you would control your character by inserting your finger into the different number holes to rotating the rotor! Once the rotor returns to its original position then you can make your next move by repeating the process using a different number command! You and the whole family can huddle together and play it with your children and grand children!!! FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY!!! BRING BACK TO OLD STYLE ROTARY PHONES TO INTRODUCE THE NEWER GENERATIONS TO CLASSIC PHONE GAMES!!! (just make sure your do not start turning the rotor using the wrong number or you will have to hang up and start again (Ah the memories!!)
tbirum humorously, The Strong Museum in Rochester, NY has a tic tac toe game that is played with a rotary phone dial
It's nice that Amico's fanbase took time away from Mash reruns and shoveling down tapioca to insult the mean internet men whose opinions they didn't like.
I think they prefer Matlock over M.A.S.H.
Not sure why AtariAge is like this. They seem against younger people and anyone with actual opinion on things like this. Older people should want younger people to be excited about their consoles. I'm in a Neo Geo group on Facebook and they're always very excited to see younger people enjoying their consoles.
I've said it before and I'll say it again
If you don't get the younger crowd interested, the scene dies out within a generation or two. It's overall bad.
I remember when Tommy hosted some show on G4 and he presented himself as a wise-ass condescending prick... now I can see that wasn't an act, it's really him. Shoulda stuck solely with music composition, Tommy, at least you're good at that and we don't have to listen to your smug attitude.
I know how you guys feel, I was jumped on in facebook when they released their recent "trailer" because I criticized it for just being a 2 minute interview of Tommy with 17, 1 second clips of gameplay at the end. I've been supportive and optimistic of the Amico but I don't have blinders on. I need better info in order for me to jump on the bus fully at this point, until then I won't hold back on the constructive criticism.
I was attacked for daring to write an article spotlighting the comment curation on YT by Intellivision.
Why does the system have 2 original iPods on top of it.....?
I thought the same thing. What’s crazy is that the young audience they are trying to attract, might not even confuse those for old iPods, that ref might even be too old. I was like don’t put something that looks like modern technology on top of something that’s party piece are it’s antiquated graphics. But luckily for the machine, the iPod might be old enough to not get confused. This machine is double too old.
It looks more like a Zune
575forza yeah I was thinking that too. Like IPods are even obsolete now....
Devin Wofford that’s not a good sign either.....as i recall those didn’t do well either indeed a foreshadowing of the console sales.
@@BENLINUZ The Zune imitated what the iPod introduced and cornered, well after Apple established its eco-system. Both devices were a roughly smartphone-sized, with a screen and a dial/wheel at the bottom half/third. Form and function there earned Apple 500 million units sold and tens of billions in sales. Your argument here isn't a very sound one. We can find some cheap version of anything, point to its abysmal sales and ignore the really successful lead product for just about anything, no?
I love that comment you guys said ... “an army of yes men on Atari Age” LOL. There’s roughly 100 Intellivision fans there. If you Re-release Pong on the Intellivision, they’ll pre-order and give their credit cards. Not a great place to survey for the Amico.
If you're excited for this just because of Earthworm Jim you should watch the live stream Intellivision did. They talked about how this new game will not be a side scrolling platformer like the old one. They stated they don't want to do anything like the old one because that's already been done before. They kept reiterating that it wont come to other systems because the way it is being designed wont work on them. It sounds to me like this new Earthworm Jim game is going to be some mini-game/Mario Party like game that just has the characters that you remember.
Sounds like that one game Microsoft was trying to shoehorn Conker into. Did that even release? Nobody talked about it.
Hey!!! The “Foot-Fixer”. I had that in 1978. You put your feet in it and it massages your feet. I guess that’s the controller for more heat and more or less vibration on the bottom of your feet.
I love when you guys get fired up about this stuff, put those guys on blast!!!
That thing looks like something I'd see in the place my woman gets her nails done 🤣🤣🤣
This is the only place I've heard of the Amico. They should thank you.
The term cringe is really overused nowdays but the shit going on with the Amiico is really getting there.
Daniel Linger another case of “it would have been better to do nothing at all” you see a lot of from industry old guard who need a pr person not a social media word vomit platform with no editor.
Ok I heard another interview... with the LATEST information. On the Amico. Tommy changes what he’s doing every week. NOW he’s not giving the original games in the console. He’s charging for those in bundles for $250 cdn. Total. What comes with the system is 5 games: New Astrosmash, New Shark Shark, New Skiing, a Dice game, and I think Bags. ..... if this was 1989/90 when I was looking for a new console (and bought a Genesis).... I would have bought the Amico and would have loved it. But it’s 30 years later. I’m not interested in starting ALLLL over with a new console, on blind faith ... and commit to spending a couple thousand dollars (for most of their collection) for something that only maybe 20,000 people will buy and will fade out within 2 years.
I did not know about this until Hbomberguy and Slopes uploaded videos about them and now I'm going down a rabbithole. It's fascinating watching these in order and seeing how this progresses.
I haven’t heard Pat this pissed since he was yelling about Pauly D on the Not So Common Podcast.
The Intellivision website is so sketchy and tacky.
I like how this 'big' company is sweating when people are being real and honest about their product. I will not be purchasing this unit, if you Amico, treat youtubers like shyt then no one should invest in this Intellivision.
And these are the good UA-camrs, the honest ones, the people who are passionate about their hobby and like to talk about it like regular people (instead of making unedited let's plays of trendy games or over-edited quick cut vlogs).
jesus christ I'm in tears! The dynamic in the beginning of Pat n Ian being sarcastic while defending themselves. Awesome and hilarious. Please keep doing this when you can.
I was going to write a long thread about how another Elon Musk wannabe game console developer, gets bent out of shape when someone criticises a console they haven't even made yet. The main criticism being that it doesn't have a huge audience. I was going to point out that even if it exceeds there wildest dreams and sells 10,000 units its audience share is less than a pinhead in the world's biggest entertainment market. I was going to point out that said game console developer has invented a product no one asked for in a market that already has family friendly/party alternatives without having to explain to your friends what a fucking intellivision was.
I was going to point all this out, but instead I'm just going to sit here and facepalm until this console dies and goes away.
Well.. Your skepticism is well warranted. After all of the promised & failed console promises that were hyped all to hell. I would certainly figure that Tommy would understand that. I for one hope that it is a resounding success, though I am skeptical as well. Given the fact that the only people this would appeal to are probably ( Like myself ) up to their eye balls in debt and others who have kids to take care of & put food on the table. It wouldn't be such a surprise if it did fail because kids today have no concept of the simple games that we grew up with. Most of witch, consisted of action on one screen & literally no story & no end. Kids today would quickly lose interest as they have no knowledge of the historical significance that the Intellivision brought to video games.
I really wanna try the amico. I am curious about the controllers.
Look no further than your phone...and add a thumb wheel.
I don't get the whole "bringing back couch co-op" angle...seems like they are trying to market this console to people who haven't played games in decades.
To be fair, couch co-op is awesome to have and mainstream gaming has let it die almost entirely in favor of online co-op. However, this system certainly will not be its savior.
I want someone to make a Zardoz parody where Tommys head is replaced the floating stone(?) head. It can say "THE SWITCH IS BAD THE AMICO IS GOOD". Then it spits out a bunch of empty shells of the "Amico".
That would be amazing!
It’s laughable to think this guy can resurrect a dead brand by lashing out at people with valid criticisms.
HOW DARE HE call our precious Mario stand-in "the long haired dude"
The Amico looks like a baby monitor charger.
Texas Rangers So true, so true.
Did Steve Jobs not teach us anything about good design
I thought this seemed like a dumb idea as soon as I heard about it.
Do updates count as DLC as you have to download, so if a game is released with many glitches it will forever be stuck in that state lol.
I still put the Amico at a 5-10% chance of success. Will it fail? Probably.
Clearly you guys are all wrong about this. This console will be the best selling console of the year 2020.
I’ve always been skeptical about this console because there’s no information about it and that’s always a bad sign but wow, Tommy’s response to legitimate criticism tells me even he knows he’s on shaky ground with this thing. It’s not a good look at all.
I'm surprised he hasn't hit the last vestige of a scoundrel - "Do you know Steven Tyler is my cousin"?
I always forget this thing exists until its brought up in this podcast.
I am 33 going on 34 and very spendthrift. If I am going to drop money on a console, am I gonna get:
1: A Switch which has a dozen great games with more coming, a huge indie scene, and recognizable ip's that I have been gaming with all my gaming life.
~or~
2: A console with games from a by gone era that would have been better off as updated remakes and sold in a collection on Switch/XB1/Ps4/Steam
Also I remember playing the Atari when I was 4. I also remember playing NES sometime later and aside from a couple of games on the NES (Star Tropics 1 and 2, and Dragon Warrior 1 namely) I have more fond memories of the SNES.
The Intellevision has its place in video game history, but it is time for it to move on
Good on you guys calling out the bs. Screw Tommy and not cool to treat you guys like that for having an opinion. Much love from Long Island.
Don't lump all us AtariAge folks in with the Amico fanboys. I for one don't understand why anyone wants to take design inspiration from literally the worst stock controller of any console generation. I wasn't even aware there was an Amico thread on AtariAge. Maybe us AtariAgers (is that the correct term?) with critical thinking skills (that unmasked the Chameleon) are hanging out in the Polymega and Kevtris threads.
I posted some things on there about the hardware design that I thought was an issue, and the thread got deleted that I posted it in. Critical thinking is not allowed when it comes to the Amico.
I keep to the taco thread where it's safe and sane
Yep I stick to the AA threads sans the Kool-Aid drinking. I just lol how Tommy surrounds himself with a bunch of Tommy/Amico worshippers.
Remember if you don't drink the Kool-Aid you must be a troll/hater.
How are there Amico fanboys when the thing hasn't been released yet?
@@herbiehusker1889 That's a tricky question. Careful where and how you tread because someone will blow that out of context...
But on the otherhand, I agree. I think people are just riding names and hoping to be in the spotlight early so they can say "I was there from the begining. Throg like Amico."
I tune in for you guys’ opinions. Can’t think of two more gaming-invested guys. Appreciate your work.
Whenever Ian is on point, man, he is on point.
Like his rant on the Nintendo PlayStation guy auctioning his console instead of taking the 1.2 million offer he supposedly got. I have a comment with the timecode on the video just so I can watch it when Im feeling down cuz its hilarious. "THEY WERE GONNA GET THAT 3 MILLION DOLLARRRRRSSSS!!!!"
If you care to see: ua-cam.com/video/PNNqrMqe1vI/v-deo.html complete with timecode
I feel like Tommy says his name like Timmy from South Park.
Have Ian's health problems from a few years ago started to get better? He looks great!
I'm thinking yes since they haven't really mentioned it for a while.
Listened to Tommy talk about this console on a podcast. The guy is a delusional marketer if he thinks it's going to sell well. I really see this as a product that no one asked for in an over-saturated market, I wish the engineers would spend their time designing something more useful than yet another second rate games console. Amusing ourselves to death... (hums old Roger Waters tunes)
I'm waiting for that PlayStation or Nintendo moment.
Even I, who has had disagreements with both Pat and Ian in the past, could see that their discussions on the Amico have been completely free of hater-speak, or fanboyism. I even went back and looked... this being like the 4th or 5th conversation about the device on the podcast, and not one word was seriously biased, it was realistic.
Tommy keeps comparing the device to the Wii or DS... that was over a decade ago! And every innovation Nintendo introduced in those last ten years has outlived it's welcome after just a couple years. The only reason motion controls still exist is because it's found a niche market in VR. The Amico is only a year away, and we've only heard vague plans, and seen a 10 second reel of game footage.
And I'll be the first to say this, but I remember watching G4, and interviews with Mr. Tallerico and he always came off as kind of an ass. They reviewed a Castlevania game on his show, and he was complaining about fighting skeletons... in a Castlevania game! Smh
@@alpha8299 The only things they got wrong were the price, and that there might be physical media... both of which they retracted first thing in this video. The rest was speculation and opinion considering there is very little information about this product on it's own website... and it launches in a year. If you watch any Judgement Day episode from G4, Tommy constantly interrupts his co-host, and refuses to believe that differing opinions than his own even exist. If back then he admited to being the same in Kindergarten, there's no reason to believe he's changed now. The burden of proof is on him, because almost nothing has been revealed.
This sounds like the Wii 15 years too late.
If they want this thing to appeal to non-gamers they need to start heavy marketing now. Outside of Pat and Ian I haven't heard of this thing. And I play games very casually.
I bet it will sell less than the Soulja boy console. lol
Does it still count as a sale if you don't get the console?
Tommy be like
BRO WHAT IF WE CAPITALIZED ON THE CASUAL MARKET...by making a $200 console that has mobile quality games!
Pat and Ian: hey bro, they probably won't buy your $200 console and $$$ on other games if they can play similar games for free or for $0.99
Tommy: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Since I'm not a journalist or anything, I can have an opinion (it's just ridiculous that this sentence makes sense today), and it's that this is going to flop hard, in no small part due to this guy Tommy's attitude.
But of course he will probably have already thought of 5 or 6 excuses that put the blame for his failure on others. Skinny Pat & the long hair dude are undoubtedly on that list now and got just promoted to the top 3.
People are going to play games on there phone instead of buy this shit
Criticism should always be allowed, but I think you guys judged this too early; it's so far out from release.
That's what they are saying though. It is too far out, but will this be something people are looking for based off a hint of nostalgia vs established companies during Christmas. Also with the limited name power of the system and franchises will this be viable for them to even make?
There isn't much to judge, that's the problem. Pat and Ian are asking questions and aren't getting any answers. I'm hearing a lot of boasting from a musician turned CEO, a lot of names of industry veterans (very few actually being developers, and fewer of any interest), and an unimpressive games list with 17 seconds of gameplay combined for all of them. There are failed Kickstarters with 10 times more information that what Intellivision has given for Amico. That closed door presentation at E3 seemingly hasn't made any inroads.
🤡
I like the idea of screens on controllers, but not for $200.
should be getting another VCS delay in a few months, put this thing in the same category
Ian's always in a good mood..lol
After visiting the website and watching the 2-minute trailer, what I see is you're paying $200 for some exclusive mobile games. This machine is far too expensive to compete with the mobile market and far too niche to compete with the big boys at Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. I just don't see where this fits into anything. I get what this Tommy guy is trying to do, but this has epic fail written all over it.
That is 100% what it is. An overpriced mobile console. Experiences you can find for free or cheap on your smartphones/tablets.
Even if the games were good, I'm not sure what incentives would exist for a developer creating "good" games to agree to an exclusivity contract with an unknown startup such as this (because having exclusives is the only way a startup even has a remote chance of succeeding in today's gaming market). And if the dev creates a quality, hit game, they're going to want it on other, more well-known platforms.
For Pete’s sake, how many fake nostalgia-baiting none-consoles like the Coleco Chameleon, Atari VCS (and now this) do people need to fall for until people realise just buying up an old brand license does not make a game console
One or two more... one will be called The Odysee 3, and the final one will be the Vectrex Mini.
Well, that escalated quickly! :D
Loved this response, guys! Yeah, it's baffling what they are thinking with this system!
What I like about this podcast is that Pat and Ian don’t back down from no one. They stick to their word!
People were even skeptical of the NES when they were trying to break ground in the US back in the 80s right after the crash. Even Nintendo had to bust their ass..but they weren't bashing the haters, they let their product speak for itself.
I can see that marketing angle work with the 70s and 80s family-friendly edge - if you stay in character and play it as such. But reading it on the page it really comes across as if they are serious and this thing is supposed to be this modern console competitor in the same price category. At the similiar price point the Switch Light might have.
Tommy Shill-Amico is out of his mind on this one, I'm starting to think the whole thing is some kind of money laundering operation, it definitely seems like a monumental scam. Mobile quality games on terrible controllers for around $200, you might as well get some free mobile games and keep the $200. Tommy has criticised the hell out of Nintendo in the past, so it's fitting that the Switch with a massive library of games will completely destroy the dead on launch Amico.
Almost every video starts off with: "Ian... !" How can he not know his name?
To be fair, Ian is easily a forgettable person.
The Amico looks like a pill box for suppositories.
I feel like your guys covered a scammy new console with a retro name before...
God forbid you guys should not want people who buy the Amiico to get burned.
When the Amico was first announced way back when, for some reason I was intrigued and looking forward to it, but at the same time I remember thinking it's not gonna stick around for very long, it'll probably be another steam machine or Atari VCS, just not as scammy. Now I'm just disappointed in ol' Tommy boy
Tommy Tallarico also deleted his comment from the Intellivision Amico topic from CUP #174.
I’m sure it was very heart-warming.
@@PatTheNESpunk Tommy is tenacious I'll give him that. SoB jumps on every single critical article, vlog and video anxious to proclaim them wrong. Shame he is in for such disappointment in 14 months...or whenever this will actually materialize.
How is earthworm Jim not going to have violence? Even mario has a bit of violence lol.
It's classed as cartoon violence.
@@coldcoffeeMK2 but that is still violence. Tom and Jerry are cartoons, but that does not mean they don't get violent with each other lol.
Just saying they put themselves in a corner with that marketing statement.
No need to apologize. Opinions are like @$$holes. Everyone has one.
Intellevision Amico
Coleco Chameleon
I have no idea if it's going to be as bad, I just wanted to make Tommy Telerico cry.
Shark! Shark! I had a blast playing that on my dad's Intellivision when I was younger. It won't make me buy this thing but it was a cool game.
And yes...the original controller was really uncomfortable to use and only a few games utilised all of the buttons.
@@OM19_MO79 I played Astrosmash as well. Great game and addictive as hell.
Pat, Ian, haters be tripping, yo. Dont mind them. You're the most trustworthy judges regarding this genre of entertainment I know of.
Keep up the good work!
"Have fun paying $200 for an updated Shark Shark". LOL, the funny part is these are the kinds of games Tommy thinks will make this system a big hit. He really thinks he has the 2nd coming of the Wii, but the only 2nd coming he will have is in his own pants.
I've been saying it for a long time, but the Amico will definitely release. Tommy is literally putting his name into the device to ensure it's success. The problem is not the games, but the fact that the console itself has no real place in the market. It looks like it will just barely compete with the mobile games market, and won't even get close to being a contender with the Nintendo Switch, or even the Nintendo 3DS. The console is like 10 years too late, to be honest. The fact that Tommy is making each and every game exclusive to the Amico is a clear indicator that he understands this and is trying to boost the appeal of the console itself.
AMICO’S PRICE IS 40$ IN THE FAMILY DOLLAR CLEARANCE BIN.
I’m gonna laugh when these are sitting next to the playstation classic in a warehouse...200$ my ass lol, buy a switch (a real console) for that price instead.
Remember, not only super heros, super villains have alliterative names, Tommy Tallarico.
No longer under $200! Prescient!
I've seen Tommy do a lot of interviews for the Amico and I've been worrying that he's been left to do what he wants rather than being reigned in by PR. So it's likely to turn into a runaway train. It reminds me of Randy Pitchford doing all the pr for gearbox despite being awful at it and just causing more and more problems.
I still look forward to it, and hope it sells well, but I can't condone this sort of behavior. Its just a lot of back and forth and it should just stop on both sides. Besides, just addressing it gives them more attention, and that's something Pat & Ian have said they don't want to give them.
It's not about attention, I think the point is why isn't anyone allowed to give constructive criticism on a new console?
young chubby Pat would have appreciated being called too skinny
Thicc but quick.
I believe you mean "Plucky."
Amico has no chance to be a financial success in this age. None. It could be a fantastic system. I highly doubt it, but it could be done well. It won't matter. BEST case scenario on the business end is it is fondly remembered by the few that purchase it. I'm sure the reality is more something like what happened with the Ouya. Get a bunch of investors who don't know any better to buy in and take the losses for you "Hey this retro stuff is popular now right? I saw those Nintendo machines are selling like gangbusters on the news!", make whatever you can out of it, go down in flames.