Israel & Palestine | The War Against Hamas | Peter Hitchens
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- In this conversation, John sits down with journalist and author Peter Hitchens to discuss the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas. This conversation was filmed on the 26th of October.
While Hitchens labels himself as 'pro-Israel' he argues against their current course of action as both politically and militarily disastrous. He also contends that being anti-Zionist does not equate to being anti-Semitic. Moreover, Hitchens is a self-proclaimed 'free speech absolutist' which he discusses in the context of anti-Semitic speech and the ongoing political challenges facing Britain.
Hitchens currently writes for The Mail on Sunday and has contributed to numerous other newspaper outlets. He has published various books, including The Abolition of Britain, The Rage Against God, The War We Never Fought, The Phoney Victory, and his most recent book, A Revolution Betrayed: How Egalitarians Wrecked the British Education System.
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00:00 Intro
00:27 Introducing Peter Hitchens
00:58 Why a two-state solution wouldn't work
4:55 Why do some Palestinians support Hamas?
7:04 'It is absurd to think you can get rid of Hamas'
9:00 'You can't destroy an idea using physical force'
12:01 Does being anti-Israel equal anti-Semitic?
13:32 The unashamed anti-Semites
16:06 Why freedom of speech matters
19:06 Israel's survival depends on the West
22:00 What happens next in the Middle East?
24:55 What if Iran becomes a nuclear power?
26:42 You can support Israel and still criticise them
30:00 The world is in a state of 'permacrisis'
33:20 The infamous 'Rivers of Blood' speech
35:45 Extremism breeds extremism
37:25 The problem of immigration in the UK
38:50 France's migrant problem
41:30 'There is nothing to hope for'
46:50 The West is in a worse position than before WW2
48:28 'The New World'
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If you ever feel useless, remember it took 20 years, 3 trillion dollars,
and 4 US presidents to replace the
Taliban with the Taliban
Thank you for that EXCELLENT reminder.!!! 👍👌👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Most terrorist organisations have been a USA making in sone way or other
Our governments main concern is spending money on weapons with no regard for the people it governs.
When you understand that there IS no end goal in mind to begin with, then you come to grasp the true meaning of it all, money!
You've made me laugh out loud. Thank you!
I really appreciate an interviewer who asks a question then shuts up until the answer is given.
Yes. I agree. It's clear that Hitchens respects Anderson. This makes for a better discussion.
Multiculturalism has been an accepted situation by the British population but isn’t it one sided? Immigrants who have escaped their unwanted country fly the very flags of the country they have turned their back on. Why aren’t they staying in that same country and support it and make it grow? No they want a quick boost to their way of living but do not want to belong to their new country.
Exactly! And Enich Powell was prescient.
Absolutely agree 👍
It’s never been accepted by the native British. It’s been imposed on them. That’s the dirty little secret about Britain.
Wouldn't you think that people who emigrate from a country that was wrecked by colonialism or nato might have remaining family members who still live there and that they would like the conditions to improve in their homeland....
If the situation does get better and becomes a trend, they might move back home. This is why the West should use what little credibility and influence it still has in places like the mideast to bring peace to the region. In other words, bring Israel to heel....asap....
European immigrants often fly their Italian and Irish flags among others here in the United States
I don’t see any problem with showing your love for your ethnicity
Id normally agree on a lot Hitchens says, but i disagree about immigration and integration. I have seen plenty, and we are undoubtedly under constant attack and critisism from within by these minority causes. Not all but many. Social trust is very low and theres no doubt that sooner or later a "reckoning" will occur.
Pro immigration Peter Hitchens as they say on Dragons Den...I'm out. And ancient fossil Anderson agreeing with his talk of "speaking ill of our fellow creatures "Amen. Revolting stuff. Is it because they're getting old?Muslim males raping hundreds of thousands of young white girls in the UK being ignored. Sickening pompous drivel from him and showing the arrogant detachment from ordinary white people's lives who are subject to hostility, harassment and legal discrimination.
Human nature is such that we naturally segregate ourselves to be with like minded people or people who look most like us. There's a whole spectrum of social segregation that happens everywhere. Some cultures want a very monolithic society, such as the Taliban. Everyone knows their proper place and it's uniform. Trouble is...individuals are not equal in any way biologically, intellectually, or in what motivates them most. I suppose you can force conformism which is what makes some people feel more comfy.
He said, 'within a free system', as a young person I must say I don't know a single person my age who cares for such a system, it has failed, it's time for the enlightenment to be put out of it's misery for the sake of our long term survival.
@@vorynrosethorn903 No clue what you mean. You want the STATE to control your every move???
@@kenjonesleeit is possible they do. At least until they really get it. That is what radicalisation causes. They are being taught Capitalism is bad. Be ashamed, be guilty, be scared of your future. All youth go through it but now the message is transmitted constantly. People are in an echo chamber only listening to like minded pessimists.
Hitchens fails to recognise the threat of immigration and the rise of Islam.Once I listened, now I have moved on to those who actually know rather than,with Hitchens, acting as though he knows.A great act but sounding more and more tired.
Trying to understand - if the current response by Israel is the wrong one, then what would he recommend Israel do which would protect its citizens?
Exactly. Israel, apparently, is the only country in the world never allowed to defend itself or demand security.
@@Arcadia1701
Terrorist States are always on dodgy ground.
@@Arcadia1701Ah of course the typical anti Semitic smear when anyone questions Israel's actions.
I've said it before this terror and I'll say it again , aircraft should not be dropping bombs on a populated area. No excuses. NONE.
It's the exact same thing as the media constantly asking Palestinian people to condem hamas actions.
There are no excuses for
Terrorism, kidnapping and murdering civilians. No exceptions. NONE.
Israel has failed to maintain the moral high ground.
I don't understand how Israel can publicly behave like a gangster , for every one of ours you send to the morgue we will send 10 of yours.
Israel has cemented it's future and it will be fighting for a long time because of this response.
Yes, interesting how he conveniently skimmed over that part. And I don't recall such world support when Jews were powerless in the past.
@@Arcadia1701 Israel is in a unique situation considering its very recent beginning and ongoing colonisation.
But he didn't say if Enoch was actually correct that this is how it would turn out. Hitchens here i feel is completely wrong about integration. We have parallel societies running alongside our own with their own languages, beliefs, and values. Then we have the grooming scandals that went on for DECADES! So disappointing to hear Peter ignore this. the pro palestine demonstrations we're seeing show this lack of integration further, we've seen deep anti semitism and people displaying Al-Qaeda and hamas flags !
In fairness he did address the anarchic state of affairs re immigration when he answered John’s question about France & those baying for retribution towards all who don’t tow their line & submit to the will of “he who is great” & all who parrot his will, unthinkly & robotically like lambs to the massacre and/or cultish adherents unthinkingly just following their leaders, when he said he didn’t know other than a very clear distinction between breaking the silence via “free speech” as against inciting violence & committing crimes which should then be acted upon “very severely & swiftly”…I can’t help but imagine Hitchens visiting an S & M dungeon somewhere & being tied up & whipped to within an inch of his mass ejaculation & then being brought back from the brink to merely have the whole episode repeated until his sessional time is reached, whereupon he showers, spruces up & heads off to another interview or article in which he espouses very astutely observing common sense Daily Mail type platitudes interspersed with proper public school type academic arguments gleaned from proper academic study, of which he is so fond & also tbf very good at…😮
Trouvere, an interesting comment but you seem to not understand that there is a difference between anti-zionism which many Jews also feel and anti-Semitism I wish you would do more research on this and if you go online you will find many many scholars of the Jewish faith and the Muslim faith and the Christian faith who can I form u. Good luck ☘️
Grooming scandals?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Can't wait for that one to get exposed too.
The hate is worse than I thought... Its ironic that a people whos forefathers stole and pillaged 45 Trillion dollars from India over a period of 2 centuries are now complaining that those same people who they stole from are taking over their land.
OH my the irony. A history lesson is much needed here.
I don’t think that Hitchens’ argument about Enoch Powell makes sense. First he says that Powell’s “rivers of blood” speech in 1969 was counter-productive, scaring the political class off thinking sensibly about mass immigration and agreeing to reduce it. Then he says that actually the level of immigration for the 24 years before and the 28 years after Powell’s speech was perfectly acceptable. Then he says that immigration only rose to unacceptable levels with the 1997 Blair government - when Powell was 85, hadn’t been an MP for ten years, and would die one year later.
Taken together, these three statements fit better with the idea that Powell’s speech, and the popular reaction to it, prevented the political class from going “full Blair” much earlier. Blair was only able to raise net immigration levels from 40,000 per year to 200,000 per year when Powell was gone from British politics.
@@georgesdelatour it is also interesting when one of the blairite said " although not the main aim, mass immigration was a deliberate act to rub the rights nose in diversity" well what was the main aim? nobody ever talks about the first bit - what is the main aim of it... I find it fascinating how the right ignore that first bit
Would have been great to hear his brother Christopher's opinion on this current situation, long may he rest in peace 😢
I mean Chris was ahead of is time because his words back then would have been relevant now.
I do not think Peter would ever soften towards Christopher's positions, but I do believe, now more than ever, that Christopher would be agreeing with Peter on more and more had he lived these past 12 years. If he thought the Left had failed him with Rushdie and Islam and Free Speech, he had not seen anything yet.
His name is 'Christopher'. Please, I am afraid he and his mother, even Peter, would insist against circumcising his name, especially now that two of them are not here to correct you.@@trashed4005
He would have sided with the American foreign policy. Sadly.
He would have had a come down from his rockstar phase by now and would be starting to think much more carefully and clearly, without the distraction of fame and fans to show off to. He would very much be coming around to Peter's thinking by now
All this intelligent discussion fails in front of ever increasing fanatic population
2 state proposal was always a none starter and looks even more ridiculous because Hamas will never accept Israel's existence
And its hard to be sympathetic with people that don't denounce terrorism.
Yep isreal would leave them alone... all they have to do is stop the attacks.
What's scary is how many people in the west are refusing to accept a two state solution. Ultimately this problem will get worse. The conflict will result in Hamas supporting refugees being sent to western countries. No Arab countries will take them. They all want them in the west.
@@_nebulousthoughtswhat a ridiculous comment! Do you know that IDF soldiers and armed settlers are killing Palestinians in the West Bank on a daily basis and PA is in control of the West Bank, not Hamas
@@dronewaJewish settlers were quite happy to engage in terrorist activities during 1930s and 1940#
John Anderson .. thank you for bringing to all your followers the best minds on top topics in a calm fashion with reason
As a retired London schoolteacher, I must read Peter's book on what went wrong with our educational system, because it certainly did. It is a national embarrassment.
Too late for you. Either contribute or go have some fun. Reading Peter Hitchens isn't going to do you any good but waste the limited, valuable time you have left.
@@hieroglyph321 I am a published novelist. I'm not stuck for something to do. And I bet I move faster than you.
Make all State Education, exactly like & as well funded as Public Education. Problem solved
If you really want to know. It is called jihad propagation, yiu would really be shocked if you found out how longs they have been trying to destroy western civilisation from all angles including from within
He may be right on that. But utterly wrong on this subject.
I don't know if I've commented on your interviews before, John. This is just to say that I appreciate them. For what it's worth, thanks.
the october 7th false flag. Israel let the attack happen and then killed their own citizens with Apache helicopters that also caused the burned bodies.
Totally agree with you, a voice of sanity in a crazy world
Only an intellectual can so eloquently talk a nation into committing suicide including his own.
So much Envy of those possessed of greater intelligence than you
@@coimbralaw"Envy" is written with a small "e", Einstein.
Oh no, someone might question multiculturalism. 🤦
It's well past time imo
I was not asked about multicuturalism. I hate muticulturalism, hence my insistence on integration.
Shameful how Peter slandered Enoch Powell, like that! And the reality is that if it weren't for him, no politician would have said anything about immigration! No one was speaking for the British, he gave them a voice and he staved off mass immigration until Blair!
Powell my have gone about it the wrong way but his fears were sound even it has happened a lot further ahead than he thought and involves a different demographic. Simply put, there are certain demographics that will never properly integrate because the cultural differences are too great.
@ricardoroberto7054 It's racial replacement. We have low birth rates, but instead of tackling that issue by supporting family formation, by building a culture that values children and tells people they should have them, we instead get levels of immigration that are replacing indigenous populations.
It's a form of genocide because it is literally altering and ultimately destroying the unique gene pool of Britain and every other white country outside a few in Eastern Europe.
Who will care about our ancestors and forefathers when no one looks like them, when no one is descended from them? No one will have British values then. Values come from a people, not the other way around. People like Hitchens know this, deep down, but they lack the moral courage to say it out loud, and even worse, attack others that do to cover their arses.
It's truly incredible how Powell hit the nail on the head decades ago, gets alienated for it, and only now are some people very mildly in timid language are umming and arring about it.
It's true that Israel would have had more global sympathy had it swown more restraint towards Gaza, and yet Peter is wrong, as he fails to take into account the middle-eastern arab mentality. It seems he had in mind something like the Swiss army instead. A moderate "intelligent" response from Israel's side is sure to be iterpreted by surrounding hostile arab parties as a sign of weakness, and it's prone to encourage them to venture into a yet another Hamas-Isis inspired venture, thinking they can get away with it for cheap. It's not a speculation, this is what has happened every time that the moderate entities on both sides have attempted to negotiate a peaceful solution of the conflict. Gaining popularity among the West in the long run is hardly a counterweight to the immediate danger that it would create to Israel. Peter also fails to grasp the extent of the trauma experienced by the Israelis. After the government/army/intelligence failed to defend its borders the people of Israel need to be shown proof that the state has regained control of their security. Otherwise Israelis will be doomed to live in fear that a similar thing could happen again anywhere, at any given moment and without warning. So as bad as it may look from the outside, a forceful and terrible response from Israel is in fact the intelligent and civilized think to do. Regretfully it won't take long before Europe will learn the same lesson, the Arab demographic growth within it is like bubbling vulcano that thakes full advantage of the Europeans' moderate disposition in order to take over. The vulcano may be dormant at the moment, true, but the question is not wether it will erupt or not, the question is only when.
Do you think that Israel's perceived weakness for not avenging Oct 7th would actually encourage any Arab neighbour state to launch an attack??
"Gaining popularity among the West in the long run is hardly a counterweight to the immediate danger that it would create to Israel". I think that is what it comes down to. Reality. Peter is a bit theoretical at times.
The games of subhumans, eh?
Perfectly said and 100% accurate.
That's what I though too. But he is still a great thinker and has alll my respect.
Peter is not clear on what an intelligent response would have been? Complaining to the UN and Brussels?
A strongly worded letter to Hamas demanding an apology probably.
"if they had listened to me 10 years ago none of this would have happened" -Hitchens response to everything
Not to the UN or Brussels - the Arab States (apart from Iran). The Arab states would have had an ideal opportunity to repudiate and isolate Hamas. But Israel had to go and provide tik tok with footage of maimed Palestinian children.
Great channel. John is so subtlety effective at initiating interesting conversations. So sick of activist journalism.
the october 7th false flag. Israel let the attack happen and then killed their own citizens with Apache helicopters that also caused the burned bodies.
I think he would feel very differently about Israel's response if he lived there.
He doesnt........ What go's around comes around. No use complaining about getting punched in the face when You have been punching, kicking and scratching thousands of faces for decades.
Plus he never says what Israel should've done instead of going in to Gaza. I've heard him in various clips online.
and if he were jewish and his family was slaughtered .....
@@pop1626
What's goes on comes around?
How many times were the Arabs offered a state of their own only to be refused by them?
I dare you to bring archeological findings proving arab existence in Jerusalem aka Israel prior to that of Jews..which basically means that Arabs are the invaders and the OCCUPIERS who were brought in by Ottoman and then british occupation.
And as per scratches and punches..there is a recorded evidence of evidently Arabs always attacking Jews that remiand in the land after the majority was expelled by muslims.
This is just a short overview of " YOU" punching and scratching first
" While there were antisemitic incidents before the 20th century, during this time antisemitism in the Arab world increased greatly. During the 1930s and the 1940s several Jewish communities in the Arab world suffered from pogroms.[4] The status of Jews in Arab countries deteriorated further at the onset of the Arab-Israeli conflict.[4] After the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the Palestinian exodus, the creation of the State of Israel and Israeli victories during the wars of 1956 and 1967 were a severe humiliation to Israel's opponents-primarily Egypt, Syria, and Iraq.[7]However, by the mid-1970s the vast majority of Jews had left Arab and Muslim countries, moving primarily to Israel, France, and the United States.[8] The reasons for the exodus are varied and disputed.[8]
By the 1980s, according to historian Bernard Lewis, the volume of antisemitic literature published in the Arab world, and the authority of its sponsors, seemed to suggest that classical antisemitism had become an essential part of Arab intellectual life, considerably more than in late 19th- and early 20th-century France and to a degree that has been compared to Nazi Germany.[9] The rise of political Islam during the 1980s and afterwards provided a new mutation of Islamic antisemitism, giving the hatred of Jews a religious component.[2]"
@@pop1626 and what is your opinion on Egypt building the same wall around GAZA as Israel? Do you think thst is not a sigh of oppression towards arabs in gaza?
And what about 2 million aravs living in Israel, a few who were murdered by Hamas on Oct 7..do you think they also deserved for punching and scratching or they deserved it for being citizens of Israel ?
So Israel is just supposed to do nothing
No it can do something - stop the expanding illegal settlements, the illegal occupation and the right to self determination.
How about stop illegally occupying there lands while 2.3 million Palestinians are besieged for 17 years in the world largest concentration camp ?
How about releasing the thousands of captives who Israel have held with no charge for decades ?
How about stopping the storming and desecration of Islam's 3rd holiest mosque on a daily basis by IDF and radical zionist settlers ?
He sometimes says, "I don't know ". He's honest. He try to answer every question. Awesome. Just like his brother.
"I don't know" is the smatest thing ever said imo
Dont compare him with Christopher wth
He knows about Gazza after 3 days.🤔
He doesn’t say it nearly enough. By far the weakest guest on this series when you consider Anderson has interviewed Niall Ferguson and Douglas Murray, both leagues above this upper class idiot - a man who has never gotten over the post-war end of the class system which would otherwise have given him privilege over the working people of the UK.
Not in the same universe as Christopher Hitchens. Almost doubt his familial relationship
Great interview, always captivated by the depth of conversations. As a Canadian, in these sorts of discussions, I am struck by the exclusion of the mention of Canada as a member country of the West and how we are glossed over as if we didn't exist. America, the USA is featured as our representative giving little notice to our contribution in the world. Not offended in anyway thinking that our current sublime leader has in so many ways diminished our presence on the world stage as to make Canada irrelevant.
It feels like this for a lot of places in this circumstance, in the west if its not the UK (England) or the US, we're simply not relevant.
Plenty of folk here in Britain keep an eye on what's happening in Canada, and see it as important factor in the fight against woke fascism. Your aspirant PM Pierre Poilievre is certainly interesting.
18:19 very enlightening interview. Something that I would have liked to be discussed deeper though: what constitutes incitement to violence? I mean, if “gas the Judes” is not incitement to violence, then I don’t know what is.
Spot on. Likewise "Behead those who insult Islam", which has been shouted and on placards in demos in London in recent years. There were specific threats to the life of Salman Rushdie in demos in London back in 1988. None of this led to arrests.
Yes, Peter can be very single minded, but on this point he came across as quite double minded. If he thinks incitement to violence is not a constitutional right (protected free speech), then what is the solution to incitement to ' gas the Jews'? These people need their passports taken away and sent to a country of their choice. Good bye, good riddance, we don't want Nazis to remain comfy with their views. We can't change their minds by dialogue, but they can change their minds if they see actions have consequences.
John missed the opportunity to ask Hitchens what his proposed response would have been?
Clearly, not what Bibi Netanyahu's just done. He needs to be removed and sent to prison for life.
He probably didn’t want him to walk out… a favourite pastime of Peter.
He cleverly avoids offering a solution because nothing is ever perfect in the long run and doesn't want to face criticism for the faults in his solution
something along the lines of “not murdering children “
@@ziyaddossri1821something along the lines of” not using your populace including women and children for human shields as the governing body” 😂
I'm not sure Israel could garner good PR either way. The whole culture, or at least the loud parts of it, seem primed to paint the Jews with a big target regardless. Hardly a new thing
Peter , hearing your voice so similar to your brother Christopher was amazing for me! I miss him dearly! I know you and your brother had many differences but in this, given my own listening to your brother, I sense he would be proud! Thank you for speaking and continuing on! 🥲
Good to listen to such sober minded people. Love these interviews. Keep them going please.
I have never seen
Hitchens believes there's an invisible man in the sky called Jesus. He's anti recreational drugs too, possibly because he wants them all for himself.
Is this what happens to a failed politician ....to interview far more intelligent people ?
Thank you for sharing this brilliant conversation, god bless us all ❤
A wise and thought-provoking discussion, gentlemen - thank you...
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by god, i do miss his brother!
I appreciate very much Peter Hitchens's thoughts and expose on this current issue! He is always an intelligent voice, even if you don't agree with everything he is saying!
Great interview. I can't think of a better person to speak about this issue than Peter Hitchens. His honesty, integrity, courage and thoughtful commentaries bring perspective to any issue he analysis. Thank you both for your contribution to making sense of a chaotic world.
Within the first 5 mins their is a lie hitch just nods along to “we forget they are the only democracy in the region”. Can I ask the fair minded judgement of even the most boastful Hitchens fans, did they view the apartheid in South Africa the same way? When they sterilise Ethiopian Jews, when the Israelis don’t let you walk down certain streets if you’re coloured etc. how is this continually being heralded as this perfect democracy? It’s shown time and time again it loves lying too, example even recently shooting the journalist in the head then blaming it on Islamic jihad, only for cctv to make them admit oh yeah we did make that up. I don’t get how this isn’t seen as a pure oppression of people over the last 75 years where Hamas is the obvious resistance force built out of decades of oppression. May I also mention Bibi openly bragged about funding Hamas yet somehow this is deemed as ok? How is this not talked about? Seems like a hugely overlooked bit of the story that, oh yeah those people who committed oct 7 attack was funded by isreal because Bibi knows more disruption in the area means he can keep taking Palestinians land.
That would be professor Norman Finkelstein
@@hamzaartofwar3Or Scott Ritter. Hitchens buys the western narrative about Oct 7. Netanyahu didn't call it Israel's nein elefun for no reason.
Look into the Hannibal directive. Israel takes out its own. On purpose. It's doctrine....
Am usually a fan of Mr Hitchens, but for him to say 'I don't know quite how you heal that' (16:07) boggles the mind.
@@castelodeossos3947 Wouldn't you think that people who emigrate from a country that was wrecked by colonialism or nato might have remaining family members who still live there and that they would like the conditions to improve in their homeland....
If the situation does get better and becomes a trend, they might move back home. This is why the West should use what little credibility and influence it still has in places like the mideast to bring peace to the region. In other words, bring Israel to heal....asap....
You don't have to agree with everything Peter Hitchens says-much like his late great Brother, Christopher-but he always makes one think. Thankyou John Anderson and Peter Hitchens for your adult conversation!
Peter Hitchens' replies are nuanced, commensurate with the complexity of the situation. Our politicians should take note and learn.
Big respect for Peter good to hear from someone who has thought about a whole lot of issues very inspirational 🙏🏾
Congratulations Mr Anderson on being deemed intelligent enough by Hitchens for him to not walk out of the interview haha
😂
You dont see andersons intelligence, wit, and humour in these q and a series. Anderson has a great personality. Im not fit to drink a pint with him. Im too dull
Well Mr Anderson is a far superior interviewer than Mr O'Connor, asks intelligent questions, listens to the answers and asks intelligent follow up questions,so that's probably why he didn't walk out
He did his best to reduce the conversation to his everyday culture war BS.
LFMAOROTFSM😂
Wow, that is one well-informed, educated take. Well done, Mr. Hitchens. Absolutely amazing. It certainly made me think much more critically about things.
No true Peter. Not all early Zionists were opposed to the formation of a Jewish homeland in the holy land. What is true is that was considerable disagreement and competing views between them of what and where it should be if at all.
Oph. Hitchens is provably wrong about Powell. Question is, was Powell correct? There are facts (hidden by the mainstream( about how ethnic relations actually have been and are
Agree!
Enoch was right
Hitchens is the most hilariously irascible commentator online today and would vehemently disagree with himself if he wasnt so determined to object to the premise of every question he is ever asked. But he makes some interesting anecdotal observations, is a stickler for historical accuracy and forces people to think about how they word things. I don't know that a practical alternative for the govt of Israel is offered from his critique though. By his own admission he is no military expert.
basically take a Ghandi non violence approach? I don't know either.
I agree in that there is a sense of hopelessness in his argument. As if he is to fill his brothers shoes. Which he does not.
A Military expert is something very rare, even more so if Your life profession is in the Military service. Name one present day expert....
So, I haven't finished watching the entire interview, but I noticed that Anderson several times brings Hitchens right up to the point where he observes that Israel is doing things wrong in Gaza, but then never follows-up with the obvious question about what Hitchens thinks Israel should do. Does that not happen in this interview?
Hitchens will one day wake up in a slum where he's the last Englishmen there.. and then move to scotland. Powell was wrong, he underestimated the seriousness of the problem and everyone agreed with him.
Palestine was already divided in two when the British created Transjordan which later became Jordan. Then, the 1/3rd of the region called Palestine was further divided by the UN in 1948.
Israeli can return to Germany as they were treated with love and kindness amongst they fellow Christians brethren
@@H4Hidayah uninformed racist dribble. My family is from Yemen, will you lobby Yemen to return my grandfather's stolen lands?
@@H4Hidayahthe Arabs and Turks were just as bad as the Nazis in Germany to many none islamic groups and wanted the Jews gone too so maybe they should just stay put and say no, you're not getting the whole cake without sharing you greedy lot 😜
Germany isn't our ancestral homeland, you twit.
@@H4HidayahAye and Palestinians can go to other Arab countries because Muslims love treating each other nicely 🥴
Peter hitchens as always knows his subject and accurately debates it
Peter Hitchens makes an uneducated person like myself have more confidence in my own thinking which usually goes against mainstream views.
Do not crow about your inadequacy.
He is extremley well versed in bringing together the facts from the ground level up and explaining the whole picture. The fact is some have never wanted to find a peaceful solution and know in their hearts they want to obliterate Israel and any Jews living anywhere in the world.
@@terencefield3204c
Be wary of the Dunning-Krueger effect. It’s real!
I knew he did have that type of effect on people who don't like reading books and thinking about them but it's good to have it confirmed.
Thanks. The problem with your line of questioning is that you move on to your next rehearsed question before exploring more deeply the issues revealed by your present question. For instance, it's all very well saying Israel's response was wrong but how should Israel have responded to Oct 7th if not by a show of force? What does Hitchins think they should have done? I wish you had asked him that question.
Armchair theories. 😮
I keep answering it. By refusing to engage in more violence, and so compelling the world to confront the fact that October 7 - a Judophobic pogrom - demonstrated the ultimate reason for the existence of Israel. Do people not grasp how badly Israel has been losing the propaganda batte in the Western world for the past 40 years or what will happen if it continues to do so?
Thanks for interviewing Mr. Hitchens!
As I understand Mr Hitchens plan, Israel should have done nothing and relied on Western public opinion to pull them through. Easily said from your armchair. Bear in mind that the public demonstrations started immediately after the October 7th massacres. There is a great tendency among weak people to blame the victims, so I don't think public opinion would be enough. People tend to support those who stand up for themselves.
That is not how I interpreted it at all. I saw him saying that invading Gaza might be a mistake, regardless of justification. Keep in mind it is densely populated and will demand huge resources of Israel to keep in check. Resources they might not have.
65 percent of Palestinians support Hamas, but that amount has increased since October 7th. Not only do Hamas use Gazan citizens as human shields, but many Palestinians put themselves in harm's way to help Hamas. A recent video shows a father saying that he was proud that his child was killed to make Israel look bad. They sacrificed their own children to protect Hamas.
Except that ‘evidence’ actually shows that they do not. That Israel does! Documented by independent human rights organisations. Repeating things you’ve heard with no evidence, no research of your own is stupidity on a high level
Liar.
The hate can be so much that people come up with insane arguments why their children’s death is good. In my opinion they don’t love their children…
Because the underlying motives for the conflict are of religious nature. Islam commands its followers to fight against the Jews. Hamas is just the monthly flavor of radical Islam.
Oh right out of the Joan Peters/Golda Meir handbook.@@worldpeace1822
Peter Hitchens' position--that Israel should have responded differently to Oct. 7--is based on a psychological insight discussed by Jacques Lacan years ago, when he wrote about the nature of "charity." A person is able to feel charitable about a victim of misfortune or violence, as long as the victim is down-and-out and wallowing in misery. However, if the victim rises out of his misery and starts to fight for himself, charity is no longer possible
The question is: must Israel continue to endure raids by Hamas in order to secure sympathy from Western democracies?
Think before you answer.
If you read the history even summarily you should be able to assertain who is the victim and who is the aggressor in this mess
@@prebenso Indeed. And the obvious mistake was that the fence wasn't made taller and more heavily guarded.
I agree that a Gazan invasion was not in Israel's best interest, but am not sure what the best response should be/have been. it would have been interesting to hear what Hitchens thinks about how Israel should have responded.
@@prebenso Both are victims and aggressors. But one provides an example in their own state of a system that provides equallity for muslims and jews, while the other system is inherently antisemetic. But this all shows, Israel needs millitary control if we want peace in gaza, this happend cause Israel had a security failure and Palastine used development money for terrorism, not the other way around!
Hitchen’s argument Israel lost support by entering Gaza would carry more weight if the anti Israel/pro Hamas rhetoric hadn’t started BEFORE Israel did anything. Israel and the Jews were already the bad guys in much of our leftist media and definitely in academia; not to mention the Muslim diaspora in many Weetern countries.
Peter is always great to listen to: calm, clear, and level-headed, even if you don't agree with everything he says. The interviewer is a complete dunderhead, however. Thankfully Peter gets to talk most of the time.
I like Peter, but while criticizing Israel’s response, he’s not saying how Israel “wins the hearts of the west”.
He doesn’t have a solution for practical reasons for what to do after 1500 deaths in the last 24 hours, it’s not new to what he is saying but if you don’t ban things then it’s quite divisive during time of war
They have already lost.......truth and justice is the way forward
Wish i could hear what Christopher would have to say 😢
Probably it would have involved war mongering just like his terrible stance on Iraqi……….
Something interesting, more flashy and superficially impressive, but also something less true, and less closer to reality, than what Peter has to say
Christopher would have emphasized the double standard of the Progressive left that supports "Palestinian resistance" and ignores the antisemitism that underlies it. He would have debated and smashed to pieces a Pro-Palestinian that puts the blame solely on Israel and not on Hamas. He would have exposed the connection between the progressive left and the axis of evil led by Iran, showing how the west is slowly weakening in the face of true evil by accepting acts of terror and supporting the elimination of Israel.
f.u. @@sydneycarton3000
his book is still excellent
I think your guest takes half of the truth and presents it to be what thinks is the truth. He criticised Israel on the way it is dealing with the massacre of 7Octobre without suggesting a proper solution. Second thing is he said that Britain was successful with immigration ignoring that islamists will reach a point where British civilisation and democracy will be in danger, knowing that those islamists will strive to establish an Islamic sharia law. I see that viewpoint of your guest is short sighted and it may finally lead to the destruction of a modern civilisation.
I agree, Peter missed the mark on this one.
Totally agree!
Sharia law already exists in the UK. Look on the .gov website and you will find it detailed there. There are also several Sharia courts in the UK. Sorry I can’t give links to information as links are immediately deleted by YT.
Where ever there are Islamists in large numbers, there is bound to be chaos! Its on the anvil for the western countries. India has suffered the onslaught in the past and is suffering till date. Armenia is going through the same crisis currently.
Religion is synonymous with politics and islam isn't a united force. There is many conflicts amougst themselves. The real question you need to be asking is who supported multiculturalism? Who help fund radical groups and hamas? Who spreads anti European rhetoric and philosophy?
There you will find the root of the problem.
Don't mention drug decriminalisation, he'll throw a tantrum and walk off set.
The Enoch Powell speech was one of the greatest and undeniably prophetic of all time. If anything he understated what was coming.
Yes, but only for those who left their brain in kindergarten. My condolences. Try Lost and Found.
What an absolute dum ingoramous comment. What did Powell prophetic about his speech? I didn't know Powell mentioned ZIONIST NAZIS committing genocide against an unarmed population of 2 million, can you point me to it?
@@zul5665 What are you blithering about? Enoch Powell wasn't Israeli.
@@hieroglyph321Your ignoring that many ordinary labour worker class people supported him
Mostly because they’d fought 2 wars to protect what they knew only to be betrayed by those that took them to war twice
Powell himself didn’t see or didn’t want to see the huge damage down by 1914 and 1939 which was eagerly cheered on by Winston Churchill who in my view ran this country into the ground😂
Well to be fair. The Palestine issue is not some alien issue for the britain. In fact it was british brain child to give balfour declaration to zi*nits, so that they can use their influence to hurry American entry into the great war.
The bringing of european j*wry to british controlled Palestine, arming of their militia groups and help them in cleaning the area was facilitated by britain.
How can any british person, with any basic knowledge of history call this conflict a tribal war in far away lands, which they have nothing to do with? This all is a creation of your state.
BDW, My god has promised me some holy land in britain and my next door government has signed a declaration and promised me a national home in your backyard.
Maybe the britain is the promised holy land for the immigrants. The what can you do about it?
Why the disparity between the two chairs?
What an intelligent conversation, such a breath of fresh air
If there is one thing we know about Peter Hitchens is that he sees no political solution to the mess we are in. Despite this, many interviewers still ask the question. And he delivers the same answer.
Would have been amazingly powerful to have the two brothers discussing this.
Israel should've responded ”more intelligently" to the barbarism of Oct. 7, says Hitchens. And how would that have been, exactly? Has he a historical precedent of such a response that succeeded?
He speaks with a deep british accent, so he is clearly more enlightened than the rest of us mortals who think justice for slaughtered jews and a show of strength is something that might work. Things are really much simpler than this bloviating coward, make them out to be: you get more of the behavior you tolerate. If Hamas is not made an example of Israel will be perceived as weak and attacked again.
Brilliant interview. Not some pseudo intellectual circling around the same question for 30 minutes straight. Very thought provoking & intriguing.
gets real dangerous when more people are saying the sick wrong thing, and you let them continue to do so.
Some Peter Hitchens is always brilliant….we always need more from him, to drill down to the root, understand the way it came about, to understand what to do or more importantly what not to do 👏👏
some-indeed
He's very good at describing the problems and less so any solutions
Usually agree with Mr PHitchens when he speaks but here (unsurprisingly) am sorry to see him apply the same double standards that most Western commentators apply when talking about Israel. For example, he speaks of the fanaticism with which seemingly civilised Palestinians hate the Israelis, as if fanaticism of an even higher degree is found among the settler colonialists who arrive to Israel even today as well as among senior politicians/civil servants in Israel. It is impossible that Mr Hitchens doesn't know this, but his bias blinds him. Listen to, for example, the present Israeli ambassador to Britain (lying through her teeth, and here, another Israeli diplomat: ua-cam.com/video/3BjRyeRZGGk/v-deo.html
@@ollieb9875 Hitchins has decided that there is no viable solutions so offering them would be pointless. I tend to agree with him. Human nature will always gravitate to corruption eventually.
"Diversity is our strength". 🤣
I spell it *DIE.vorce.ity* 😮
straight out of Orwell's 1984.
I am a Palestinian , and I believe I can sum up the fears and aspirations of our people in a way that relates to western thinking better than most of my country men. May be some good will come out of my words to follow: Let me say that the Palestinians want iron clad guarantees that they will not endure the same trauma of deportation , which is similar in our psyche to what the Jews of Europe had endured during the holocaust. The Jews of Europe saw in the establishment of a state of their own in our country .. Palestine as a guarantee of the holocaust never happening again. The Palestinians see in a viable state based on 1967 lines as that guarantee of the Nakbah never happening again. Absent a one state solution ,, a confederation between Palestinians and Israelites, that is the only way we can prevent another Nakbah. We have to have a formal agreement that spells out the true rights of Palestinians to all the land between the river Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea. Whereby we have full sovereignty over 1967 borders and right of permanent residency in 1948 lands aka Israel ,, and the Israelies would enjoy the same right of full residency in the 1967 lands aka Judea & Samaria aka state of Palestine. Security matters can be accommodated by USA and UK Europe over watch of ports etc . To prevent the flow of arms
Amen
So they were supposed to ignore the terrorist attack of October 7?
He is the only non israeli and non jewish person I have heard who has a firm grasp and deep understanding of the situation
Good interview. I'm puzzled by the choice of chairs, however. John in the larger, lower wing chair and poor Peter in a much smaller, higher dinner type chair.
Would Peter Hitchens modify his position were it shown that military force was in fact able to deny Hamas the ability to harm Israel and deter Iran's proxies broadly?
Recent history shows that these outside military approaches to native insurrections don't work. Look at Afghanistan, Vietnam, Algeria, etc.
Anyone else miss his brother Chris? 😢
...topher.
Yeah, I do too. I miss his humour, wit and intelligence.
I can't believe I've just watched an interview in which the interviewer asked his guest pretty concise questions and then let him answer without interrupting even once.
Amazing the 2 Hitchen brothers.I can listen to both of them.
Hamas declared war on the seventh of October. Bad things happen in war. ✌🏻🇬🇧🇮🇱🏴✌🏻 Ps. It would be absolute madness to put labour in power. I do hope the people of the UK realise the dangers.
I don’t think they will. Vote Kier get Khan… we’re finished!
What a great interview! 🙏 Thank you Victor for your insight, speaking the TRUTH and having faith in the American people! Indeed a sobering view of what is ahead! Let’s pay attention and engage for the sake of our country (literally) !!!
Very smart person. I appreciate the logical thinking in situations where everyone is mad and angry 👍🏻
Just listening to his late brother Christopher. Both fascinating
I really liked what Peter said about open debate and a challenging of people with racist or extremely bigoted views, as a better alternative to silencing. It will not only help to include more people in the public arena but will help everyone in society to lean from both sides. I think this will help to keep bigotry in its place, a corner that is indefensible and out argued in every way.
Except that the Left only recognise "racism" on one side.
It’s my belief also. As irritating as it is to listen to poorly argued opinions at least you know who the idiots are!
Well said.
Yeah, right. Try "debating" with a Hamas supporter or any subject of Critical Theory in the West.
@@drwhatson Well it's those kind of people that want to silence everyone which is the issue that Peter is talking about. If you're not that kind of person, continue to allow them to speak and be the better person and engage in the debate whilst staying calm and assertive. You won't change their mind obviously, but you'll expose them for how insane their beliefs are.
Peter Hitchens reminds me that in the 'glass half empty, glass half full' choice, it's enough to be grateful for anything in the glass at all.
That looks like the most uncomfortable chair in existence
Thank you gentlemen for such a wonderful analysis - so refreshing -and needed!
Hitchens is quick to criticize Israel's response to Oct. 7 atrocity without providing any alternative.
How about end the occupation and get the fk outta 1967 boarder
IRA, ETA, rwanda, peace deals were made that stopped the cycle of violence. There was an Israeli PM that was looking for that, and he was killed by a right wing Israeli, funny how things work there huh
True, but I see his point, how will Israel extricate itself from Gaza after they complete their main mission?
Yer, @@khoaanhnguyen1420, he had an extreme adverse reaction to that vaxx he objected to being told to take but still took.
Learn from the Chinese and the way they did to solve the Uyghurs problem. they were terrorist, supported by Taliban, much more armed and ideologically extreme than Hamas.
Hitchens very interesting, as usual. But totally disagree with his dismissal of Enoch Powell - who has clearly been proven 100% right
I like Hitchens but I am cognizant of the fact his family has Jewish roots, so he may, or may not, be biased/sympathetic to the Zionist cause.
Anti-semetism is a problem and, ignoring the fact that Palestinians are also semites, I think we need to talk about anti-goy views in the media etc. It seems that many people are trying to foster white self-hatred or white guilt in order to advance a particular agenda.
I don't fully understand what that agenda is. If all they want is subsidies for Israel and to be able to manipulate access into the elite schools in the West etc I guess it wouldn't be so bad. But it doesn't seem like a good one if you care about white people or the West in general.
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Great interview. Mr. Hitchens always well balanced.
No he's not he's a Jew shill everyone talks nosense but him 🤔
do they often use a room with plenty of books in the background to make you think there must be intelligent people in attendance ?
I respect Hitchens but he is speaking only as an outsider with no personal skin in the game. Only someone who did not experience the horror of Oct. 7th on their own people can continually bring up the issue of world opinion at this moment. No one in Israel is concerned with what other nations think of us at this moment just as I imagine Brits dealing with Nazi air raids cared little of what random people in Bolivia or Thailand were thinking about their response.
A. very compelling voice which it is important to listen to.
I disagree with Peter over Powell, as I think history has shown that he has been right about the demographic change in the UK and how that has effected social cohesion.
Wonderful commentary. Thank you. Regarding the problem of immigration, I believe the prevailing cultural "norms" have romanticized anarchy and chaos to a very destructive level in most of the Western world. I don't have any answers, but I believe those who possess the political and cultural knowledge, strength, courage, and fortitude should stand up and lead us all back to a position of Cultural Revitalization. I don't see any way forward pretending to or sitting on the fence with this cultural relativism or ethnocentrism. It has failed at far too many levels already. It opens the doors wide to turmoil and disorder.
Absolutely. But try to explain that to libertarian ideologues like Hitchens. he is in bed with the Globalist mob, which he claims to hate
Immigration numbers and ability to integrate are two separate (orthogonal) things.
It is careless and incompetent of governments to ignore integration concerns, to not recognize and act on the ability of groups to integrate - and there is one significant group that has emerged and it is those that follow Islam, because of the inbuilt intolerance and desire to change the communities in their image, that they are fortunate to find themselves in.
Those two things are not remotely orthogonal, a term which is NOT a synonym for "separate".. Large immigration numbers create conditions where integration can and will be avoided.
Why should we have immigration (particularly mass immigration)? Why can't white peoples ahve our own nations and life, why are you willing to throw away thousands of years of identity?
Both are brilliant in their own ways, Peter and Christopher.
Thanks Jon, thanks to watching your channel for a few months I finally plucked up the courage to cancel my direct debit in September.
What Tosh, his ability to be logical! He is one of the most opinionated people in the public eye, and everybody knows it, surely even he knows it.
Excellent
If Jewish people were expelled from Europe and went to Argentina, South Africa or Uganda and went in and took their land you would have Hamas in all of these places.
Good job of the interviewer not scaring him away
Peter is absolutely right to call out the supposed "pro free speech" right for hypocritically demanding the imprisonment of those who say things they disagree with (i.e., supporting Palestine), not least because it will embolden anti free speech leftists when it's their turn to punish speech they disagree with. He's also remarkably nuanced in his analysis of the situation in Israel/Gaza. He's right to point out that Israel's mass bombing campaign will be ineffective, bloody, and self-defeating. It will fail to destroy Hamas, undermine support for Israel abroad, and weaken the case for an Israeli state, not least because -- very reasonably -- many will see the bloody and disproportionate response as validating criticisms of Israel as a colonial enterprise. Like the US response to 9/11, the overreaction will do more harm than the initiating act itself - which does not mean the act was not thoroughly evil in every way. Israel needed to respond. It did not need to respond like this.
What do you mean ”like this”? Do you think they are bombing civilians on purpose. The IDF is trying to root out terrorists. What are they supposed to do, walk in nicely and say ”pardon me…”?
Good to see Peter can treat some of his hosts with respect, and nice to see he’d calmed down since storming out of his last interview 😂
Yes 👶👶👶😂😂😂
Respect used to be something one earned. Now it's demanded regardless of how disrespectful one is.
Hitchens was quite justified in being angry towards his host who had indeed lured him there disingenuously & then asked & re-asked questions that Hitchens had already answered. I’m no fan of Hitchens point of view but he was justifiably fed up with his smarmy & intensely arrogant cloth eared host imho that is!!! 😮
Yes, it is apparent, looking at him in different interviews, that you have to catch him on the right day and with the right subjects.
@@Extra_050exactly right. It’s not the first time he’s answered such questions, or talked on the topic of drugs. He acted like a spoiled prat, and completely embarrassed himself on the basis of not liking his host.
I didn’t even like Alex’s questions particularly myself and initially thought ‘yeah I can see why he flew off the handle’, but once you understand he just picks on young folk with less status than he respects, his credibility crumbles.
He is good Peter. Wrong about multiculturalism and Powell, but knows what we have sacrificed will ultimately end this era.
It’s always a joy to listen to the calm delivery of Peter Hitchens especially when he is given the space to chat freely and without interruption. The difference in knowledge, experience and class is evident here especially when compared to the younger more vociferous ‘Poundland’ social commentaries provided by the likes of Douglas Murray and Konstantin Kisin to name just two.
Agreed. His brother Christopher was also a major loss to journalism. Whilst some of a different political persuasion would vehemently disagree with their prescriptions, you couldn't accuse them of not being knowledgeable. I think they're the last of a dying breed in British commentary. Now we have third rate commentators. I saw the recent Douglas Murray/Konstantin Kisin interview and interesting how the pitfall Peter warns about regarding free speech is one Murray has now fallen into. If I remember correctly he was a big proponent of free speech.
@@Phil_Mitchell alas Peter is indeed a member of a dying breed. I often fantasise over how the Murray/Kisin cohort would fair against the might and erudition of giants such as Gore Vidal, James Baldwin or William F Buckley Jnr…..the floor would well and truly be wiped and no mistake!
Yet I wonder if Peter spoke with such calm authority and wisdom 30 years ago, when he was Murray and Kisin's age? I appreciate them all, but comparisons are a little unfair as they are different stages of their lives and careers. Experience only grows over time so let's see.
@@sonikgoat that’s very good point, however, Murray and Kisin place themselves on a level with Peter Hitchens and therefore must be compared thus.
@@TheWishprespectfully I submit that they probably do not view themselves as Hitchens' equals, although their voices are worth hearing and they deserve their platforms as they are not insignificant contributors.
There's only one way they will gain Hitchen's experience. In the meantime I hope all continue to contribute.
I'm glad he stayed for this interview.