Israel, Islam & the New Cold War | Niall Ferguson
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- John is re-joined by pre-eminent historian Niall Ferguson to analyse the latest conflict between Israel and Hamas. Ferguson argues that due to the nature of Hamas’ urban warfare, tunnel systems and civilian shields, Israel will have a long and difficult campaign ahead. He also points out that the decline in Western support for Israel, particularly in the younger generations, is due to a woke university system propagating Islamist and left-wing viewpoints, attempting to create a moral equivalence between the October 7 terrorist attacks and Israel’s response.
Niall Ferguson, MA, D.Phil., is the Milbank Family Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and a senior fellow of the Centre for European Studies, Harvard, where he served for twelve years as the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History.
He is the author of fifteen books, most recently Doom: The Politics of Catastrophe. His previous book, Kissinger, 1923-1968: The Idealist, won the Council on Foreign Relations Arthur Ross Prize. He is also an award-winning filmmaker, having won an international Emmy for his PBS series The Ascent of Money.
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00:00 Israel and Hamas
04:41 Israel and the West’s response
09:14 Generational support for Palestine
13:36 Global Terrorism and Radical Islam
18:25 Immigration and Assimilation
26:52 Why the Left supports Palestine
29:30 The New Cold War
38:16 Cold War I and Military Deterrence
40:36 American Fiscal Policy
46:34 Israel, Palestine and the Western World
47:55 The Pacific Cold War
53:40 Isolationism and WWIII
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We need to get away from the term "radical islam" its just Islam.
Yes!!! Thank you for stating obvious truth good sir!
That’s a very ignorant comment
@@seanmoran2743 no its not jihad supporter
@@raelalexander9202🙄
Please explain
Iraq Syria Afghanistan Libya then William🤔
I have children who are studying in university and can totally confirm the existence of that generational disconnect which to me came as a shock when seeing their position regarding the conflict in Israel. We’ve got a real problem.
Lovely conversation. As a 20 year old college student in the US, I’m very disillusioned at my generation. Listening to gentlemen like Mr. Ferguson and Mr. Anderson is a breath of fresh air. I hope and pray my country and my generation begin waking up to the dangers we face today.
Let reason and tradition reign!
As a nearly 70 yr old eternal student of hope for a real future for your generation and beyond, the current leaders you should follow come by here, Hillsdale College, PragerU, The Manhattan Institute and many more. Jordan Peterson and many more. They are there. The problem is the MSM whose funding depends on the pessimism and propaganda that they push at us. That reflects very badly on what was once the best of capitalism, but has become the worst since the competition of social media which is a free for all that we all need to learn to navigate for what is good buried in its morass.
Get a grip
@@iancampbell2444 Yes. All those outlets and more are there to permit you to steel your resolve against the OTHER until you can watch 100 children killed per day and not have an ounce of compassion for them. Good luck on that journey, and remember, it's a one way trip.
You're on the correct path kid. There's hope yet
@@kasparalmayer471 what are you talking about?
Outstanding and remarkable work exposing the truth Niall and John! 💯 God bless you! 💯✝️🕊🙏❤️
Assimilation has been a huge issue. In the west your a racist if you expect people to speak the common tongue and you can’t question their culture or religion even if it goes directly against western values. But no when you go Islamic culture, you must observe and respect their culture and practices to a tee or you potentially face imprisonment. The hypocrisy is just unbelievable.
Yes, but I think it is deliberate by the west - to show they are different to those other countries. And I think that’s ok and good, but perhaps now the boundaries have not been taken care of and the result is we see respect lost and a lack of caring for all the people under our umbrella. Capitalist system speaks louder with its networks and links across countries regardless of the local populations.
@@mariannepfly1906well said! 👏
Multiculturalism has failed and the new immigrants should integrate in their new societies in Western Europe but the Middle East are not democracies. They don't claim to be and claim to have freedom of speech. So you can't really compare a country that is like the UK to the UAE for example. You have to measure them against the standards and values they set themselves. You can't claim to be for religious freedom if you don't want Islam practiced in the West. You have to choose.
I don’t see any hypocrisy? If you were to be alive in a Islamic society then you’d need to obey the laws and rules or face the consequences just like in any other society and country
People who immigrate to the UK learn English. There are isolated communities where certain groups, like women do not, because they’re isolated from the wider world. This is a problem. I’ve seen it while canvassing in Bethnal Green but it’s not the rule, far from it. Britain has largely integrated migrants from cultures all over the world. There are problems and some are serious but the racist predictions of Powell and National Front never came to pass. Many on the right struggle to acknowledge it because they don’t want to concede to the idea that a multi-ethnic country is successful. It’s truly bizarre because the only way to turn the clock back is with government tyranny and sectarian violence, which I hope most of us do not want.
What a privilege to listen to two great men in conversation. Thank God for the persistent quest for wisdom in our time.
Seriously??
Dr Niall nailed it. You can not have a society which generously accepts large volumes of immigrants without asking of them to uphold the norms of the place they themselves chose for a better life. that’s the least to ask of anyone gaining that much favor.
To mention, I’m an immigrant and it churns my stomach when I see immigrants who’ve begged so much to get into one of the western countries, then minutes after haven been granted the chance, it becomes the worst place on earth . Sad!
As Nial said in this discussion, immigration is not the problem. It is people who believe in an imaginary god and who practice religious chauvinism while rejecting democracy that is the problem. I agree.
It must be enforced because they were not invited they chose to come in.
@Fomites This. Fundamentally, the issue in the Middle East is based around Israel's insistence on having the "holy land" for themselves.
If you so respect him, you should spell his name correctly.
I think if the West would stop killing and destroying Muslem countries across the Globe. You would not have immigrants. By the Hamas created by Israel and those tunnels were build by Israel. Just same propaganda..blablabla
From an Israel - THANK YOU Niall Ferguson for your support for Israel and for stating the truth loud and clear!
Aren't those the same people that displace you and asked you to leave from their lands? I'm sure it won't be shocking to know that western right supports Israel out of deep hate for both Jewish and Muslims
As a Australian Christian I stand with Israel 🙏🏼💙
What a pair of marketeers. How can Ferguson claim to know the mind of Hamas. Forget objectivity this is a platform to sell a message. Not unusual not exceptional but all for the profit of these dishounourable men pretending to be objective journalistic commentators. They both spiral in my former esteem and regard. A disgrace.
My question is, is support for ethnic cleansing in Palestine really good for Israel?
@@andrew_owens7680 that's not what's happening
Hamas hides their weapons rockets and terrorist fighters under the homes schools hospital and mosques
Idf have consistently told ppl to leave so they can get to Hamas hiding under or with them . This is undeniable proven as fact
Hamas shot those that left for the boards and the south even before idf started it air defence
Hamas only last week used a car bomb on those evacuation to the south
They don't want them to leave they are their cover
Peter Hitchens, Douglas Murray, now Niall. Johns on fire!
No he’s not
He’d be on fire if he had people like
Col Douglas Macgregor Ret
Prof Jeffery Sachs
Prof John Mearsheimer
Alistair Crooke or
Chas Freeman
Ironically the only conservative you named was Peter Hitchens
The other two are most certainly not
Wish Christopher Hitchens was here too loved watching his debates
Mearsheimer would be great.
Have you not heard of the Nakba?
Could we PLEASE see and hear the likes of Niall Ferguson, Douglas Murray and others, on British television.
Hear hear!!
Of course you cannot and that illustrates a very big point here!
Mr. Anderson, I've only recently discovered your channel, and must say that it doesn't disappoint at all. Thank you for hosting so many amazing minds, and sharing them with the rest of us.
"doesn't disappoint" is the best compliment you can give? Hard to please, eh?
@@ReasonableForseeability In a time of disingenuousness,we should all be hard to please.
Which is why when we come across genuineness,it's a pleasure and a surprise.
@@Bobmudu35UK There is nothing on the internet that can't be turned into pernickety joylessness.
Once again, a conversation worth listening to from beginning to end. All important topics that allow us to reflect. A great pleasure to have Niall Ferguson. Thank you very much Mr. John Anderson.
The notion is that moderate Muslims exist is odd. The moderates are the ones chanting violence but not acting it out. There is no Muslim voice saying that Islam needs to reform and become tolerant.
Yes exactly. Very good comment.
Maybe western Judaism and Christianity is what needs to be reformed to condemn the barbaric violent ideology of Zionism.
There is such a Muslim voice - Maajid Nawaz in the UK
@@redcrowdemonYes Maajid, but any others? Islam is the second largest religion in the world. Certainly there should be more voices than his that are prominent enough to be aware of
Al-Islam is perfect how it is so why should it change for the worse
I think the role of social media, particularly Tik Tok, cannot be overstated in terms of dissemination and spread of these radical ideas. It’s a hotbed for misinformation as well.
The Zionist movement is also radical.
They are stunted and proud. Tantrum every chance they get, wanna become a virus. Absolute clowns 🤮
Absolutely 💯
Conversely, thanks to it, podcasts such as these also get exposure.
You are so misinformed. All western media is owned by some goon or other, who dictates what you listen to. At least Tik tok is free of that.
Excellent conversation. Thinkers like Niall Ferguson offer hope that sanity may return to the West in my lifetime.
reason and sanity are not the same
I suspect you know what I meant but if not, somebody else already formulated a short explanation for my choice of words: " In some cases, you can use "Sanity" instead a noun "Reason", when it comes to topics like mental condition, sane, common sense, wisdom."
sounds reasonable
Sadly not mine though I am 73 and glad I am on my out!!
A sanity that continues the west's superiority complex?
What an incredible conversation. Thank you for some sanity, hard truths and compassion.
I wish everyone would stop.using the term Radical Islam. Islam is radical, and it's follower's can choose to act radical anytime it suits them.
This!
Ain’t no such thing as radical Islam your problem is with Islam because it doesn’t submit to ur evil plans we are not goyims get it
yeah, well I wish you'd stop cutting and pasting that comment over and over
Where were the sociologists’ concerned about the Palestinians before ‘ 7 October? Why are they not concerned about the hostages ? Why does the ceasefire not start with Hamas who started this particular fight.
Not just youthful support but many aging hippies who want to relive their youth.
October 7th was an inside job.
Intellectuals like Niall and honest journalists like John is a positive force to shake the west and make it see things for what they are.
Spent time in Birmingham UK in the early 2000's. My thoughts were what is England doing to itself. Mind blower.
Excellent analysis, but where is the coordinated action to repel Islamism? The UK Home Secretary, who has been the only political voice to speak out against it, has just been sacked by a Prime Minister who is but a temporary resident of the UK.
I can't understand how the UK govt can do that. They've seen the massive pro Hamas rallies and how bold the protestors are. What do they think will happen?
@@NicholaWallacesadly I fear that your words explain exactly why the government sacked the Home Secretary....they saw the scale of the Palestinian-Hamas marches and, through fear, they thought they had no other option than to placate the crowds....such weakness may have logic...we have insufficient prisons, we have insufficient police...they couldn't act against the march because they are too weak.
Like pre-WW2, if we use this period of appeasement to build up force so that we can tackle these mobs, then history will judge them kindly...if these acts of appeasement merely lead to a modern equivalent of "Danegeld", then we are doomed.
Islamophobia isn't an attractive trait. Stop with the bigotry.
"Let's try to repel Islamism."
Well, saying these types of statements tells me that you are too lazy to read about history, are a bigot, and fall for the Zionist narrative that Jews, Protestants, and Christians should be favored over Islam(treating the faith as second class). Each person in any type of religious group are capable of anything, not just the Arabs/Muslims. #islamophobia #bigotry #ZionistPropaganda
@@Russophile30 Oh shut up. We’re all fed up with any and all criticism of Islam being interpreted as Islamophobia. Stop with the ignorance and gullibility
Bravo. Intelligent conversation that the world needs to sit down and listen to. Refreshing to hear‼️
« The world » 😂
World needs Trump in 24 and then 16 more years of good old fashioned republicanism. As does Australia, the UK, France, Italy and Germany?
Otherwise the Chinese might be solving the Islamic and Radical-Left Problem in 50 years?
Well said Mr. Ferguson!
Fantastic talk, thank you! 👏
He is a ter*orist
I have two close Muslim friends in England : one is a Biological scientist who believes in natural selection , the other a religious sceptic. I asked them both if they discuss these things with fellow Muslims. They both laughed. Those we would most like to empower are small in number and fearful.
They need to man up.
Awesome interview. The most important thing that stood in my mind is that isolation is not an option. We should talk more about this. Yesterday I explained my ten year old boy what is happening in the Middle East. For my surprise he already have an idea of it but he trusted more his parents than social media. Thanks for sharing this with us!
Yes. Who do isolationists think they’ll export to when their supply chains are held hostage by tyrants? Better not lose a single war here on.
Define what you mean by Isolation ?
Washington Hamilton and Adams all thought getting involved in foreign adventures was a bad thing
But that trade and leading by example at home was a good thing
That’s not Isolating yourself
@@seanmoran2743- no, it’s not a bad thing but those men were leaders during a different world. The U.S. was not the world’s most powerful country then. Isolationism now is idealistic. It would be great if it was an option but Professor Ferguson explains why it isn’t.
Yeah, let's bankrupt ourselves sending billions to Ukraine and Israel while OUR southern border is wide open and tens of millions of illegals are swarming across it, along with Hamas maniacs.
I don't care about Ukraine or Israel when it's clear that the intention of the elites that run this country is to replace people like me.
@@seanmoran2743 Isolating yourself would be to believe that the proper solutions for the late 18th century apply to the 21st.
If what happened in London over Rememberance Saturday/Sunday hasn't proven we've been conquered then I'm not sure what will lol
Conquered?
The entire World either speaks some English or wants to learn to speak English. It was Britain that conquered half the globe in the 19th century and the U.S. cemented it in the 20th century. Stop pretending that you're some marginalized victim. Now go wear a lovely frock and put on some lipstick. 😅
The generational divide as Niall rightly calls it is easy to explain.
Soviet defectors in the 1980s said they were focusing their efforts on taking over our schools and universities as indoctrination centres, as clearly they have done. A KGB defector said; 'Within 2 generations, we'll have taken over". The clip is on youtube somewhere.
Yuri Bezmenov...a KGB defector.
Yes
I really think that Soviet subversion might be the main culprit. This seems to be willfully ignored even by people who are aware of it.
Bill Ayers went from blowing people up to early childhood education. Barack Obama's career was launched from the apartment of he and his murderous wife, Bernardine Dohrn.
World needs Trump in 24 and then 16 more years of good old fashioned republicanism. As does Australia, the UK, France, Italy and Germany?
Otherwise the Chinese might be solving the Islamic and Radical-Left Problem in 50 years?
If I could have had these two gentleman as professors at university back in the 1970's I would have taken history and political science courses.
If the residents of Gaza would "dearly love to get rid of Hamas", then where are the resistance movements to it? There are none and there won't be any. The idea that there's a sizable section of the Palestinian population who want a free and democratic State of their own, side by side with Israel is laughable. If they have issues with Hamas, it's to do with means, not ends. Whatever their stripe, they all agree that Israel should not exist.
"Whatever their stripe, they all agree that Israel should not exist." as did the rest of the Arab world until recently when normalisation of relations talks were progressing steadily with Saudi and others, all until Iran felt sufficiently threatened to instigate oct 7th. Thankfully and to my great surprise these talks are only on hold rather than cancelled. You dont make peace with your friends.They way you describe Palestinians simply does not help anyone.
The Zionist movement taught people like you to view Muslims as second-class people. Israel isn't a democratic state as it claims to be. "Fundamentals of Finance - Amendment No. 40", sometimes referred to as the Nakba Law, is a 2011 Israeli law which received criticism for limiting freedom of speech pertaining to the founding of Israel and the Nakba. The law affects organizations that are funded, in whole or in part, by the government.
Israel had a part in creating the terrorist Hamas movement to counter Fatah/PLO since the Israeli government viewed Hamas as the lesser evil, all of which backfired on them. To make matters worse, Hamas won control over Fatah in Gaza back in 2007. I think Israel cut off funding Hamas for awhile, but not too long since Benjamin Netanyahu said in March of 2019 in front of his Likuid party that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Hamas is a tool to get rid of the Palestinians.
The mindset of the Palestinians, theiir supporters in the world public and media is so warped, that can be in agony over the suffering, death and “genocide” they believe ther watching…
and not for once have the thought to call for, scream, beg for Hamas to just release their hostages or meet any of Israel’s terms. Which would have halted or limited the ever-growing death toll.
I have more sympathy for the Palestinians in Gaza especially than I do Hamas supporters in the west. There are odds and ends of evidence showing that some Palestinians do blame Hamas for what is happening to them but expressing this overtly is dangerous - unlike on an ivy league campus. @@63rambler66
@63rambler66 In the United States, the General Assembly of the National Council of Churches in November 2007 approved a resolution for further study which stated that the "theological stance of Christian Zionism adversely affects:
1. justice and peace in the Middle East, delaying the day when Israelis and Palestinians can live within secure borders
2. relationships with Middle Eastern Christians (see the Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism)
3. relationships with Jews, since Jews are seen as mere pawns in an eschatological scheme
4. relationships with Muslims, since it treats the rights of Muslims as subordinate to the rights of Jews
5. interfaith dialogue, since it views the world in starkly dichotomous terms."
Idk the pro-palestinian protests have been very visible but I'm still horrified by what happened on Oct. 7th and I don't think I'm alone. I also won't forget those who chose terror over civility.
Watch an Israeli made documentary called Tantura.
Then, ask yourself the same question
Have you not heard of the Nakba?
The Nakba is a lie and an excuse for a lost warZ when a people through history lose a war (especially one that they started!!!) they don’t become generational refugees as the Palestinians have, they either assimilate into the society or they leave. It’s crazy that the Palestinians claim they were “removed” from their homes. They were promised victory by the Arab leaders in 1948 and then they lost the war! They were offered their own state since 1937 maybe 10 times and have NEVER accepted it and have never built what they could have built. They don’t want a state they chose to remain refugees. Imagine if my Jewish grandparents t who were born in Aleppo Syria was to demand their homes back in Aleppo after being evicted?? Or the millions in Pakistan in 1947? Or the Jewish refugees from Germany and Poland? Please learn some real history and not Arab propaganda
This interview should be shown on TV on all channels to educate people, especially young
Educate or indocrinate?
I wish I could like this video twice. Fantastic work!
There are ways of doing just that. Use your imagination. 😏
I actually intend to listen again later.
Japanese kids who were born in America with Japanese parents fought on the American side of World War 2, would some of these immigrants fight on our side against their home countries? If not? What has changed in terms of the culture of immigration
a shia iraqi american who fought for usa found saddam
the 1960s and the rise of the idea that assimilation into the country you were legally immigrating into was racist and the throwing out of quota systems that opened the door to the mass migrations we're seeing these days.
@@wade2boshfantastic 😂
Great discussion....honest and truthful....thanks for all you do Mr. Anderson!!!
Honest?😑
Truthful?🤨
unfortunately they can't say what these guys are saying because they'd be chased out of office for standing up for its country because those who moved there don't
Thank You Niall Ferguson; you delivered once again!!
He used to be a great intellectual but he is starting to get more and more extreme and bias. He ignores that Israel treats the Palestinian people terribly. Young people hate the mistreatment of people and all forms of colonialism. Israel’s far right policies are turning young people off them. We aren’t all indoctrinated uni intellectuals and can separate Jewish people from the Israel government.
One of the most fascinating talks I’ve come across lately. Unlike many others, it’s actually been an opportunity to learn a lot.
20:15 Well, IF someone by their religious believe won't accept the local law they shouldn't be granted access to the country. Is well documented how in several cities across Germany and France people have social behaviour against the civil law but local authorities can't do anything - not willing to do anything about it because it will be against religious practices. The rule of law apply to everybody. We are living in civil secular societies.
Mr. Anderson and Mr. Ferguson, thank you, Both!
You’re going to the top Vivek! A smart, thoughtful, caring and honest politician is rare.
An excellent conversation and great analysis by @niallferguson thank you for being a voice of reason in these difficult times 🙏🏻🇮🇱💙
Keep up the fantastic discussions.
sans condescending patronage s'il vous plait
Great work John, keep it up please. 👍
worky noworkface
How do you know Israel tries to avoid to harm civilians while going after Hamas?
Hi guys, as someone who was born and raised as a muslim in a devout Muslim family, I can tell you right now, Islamic values are totally incompatible with Western values. Muslim loyalties are to Islam, way before loyalties to the country they live in.
Unless there's some sort of draconian autocratic style re-education program of all muslim migrants, Islamic migration is always going to present a serious problem for Western nations.
The problem is that Western countries don't realize the enormous challenge this is going to present in a few decades when Muslims represent 15-30% of Western populations. Western Europe and America will turn into balkanized nations.
Sharia Law has alot of anachronistic and medieval laws like death to apostates, death to blasphemers, death to homosexuals. The Sharia stipulates that anyone who doesn't believe in these laws written by God is an unbeliever.
Difficult to reconcile those values and beliefs with modern society. Also very difficult to see how the religion can be reformed when it considers modernizers as apostates.
how many rakats in wudu?
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them
Wondering what the solution is for Muslims' realization and enlightening to live in a peaceful life that the humans need as a norm and basic need. And turn their Jihad to improve their own life instead of fighting with other people.
@zibrantaybie Zero rakats in Wudu. Don't confuse Wudu and Salaah. I studied Islamic law at an advanced level. Don't be an idiot.
@BigRedBugs Islam itself considers anyone that rejects or attempts to change Islamic law, that is derived from the Quran and Hadith, as apostates.
So Islam is much more resilient to enlightenment thought. Very difficult to see how the religion can be reformed when it considers reformers as apostates.
Brilliant. Especially the 3 summary points at the very end. Shame Rishi just gave in to the leftists and radicals and sacked Braverman - not helpful in taking the stand required.
The Zionist movement is also radical in itself.
Shouldn't Braverman be held accountable for the laughable state of British police?
@@jesperburnswe actually have Police And Crime Commissioners. Elected officials whose sole duty is to set political direction for the police and hold them accountable. It’s a daft system and doesn’t work, but they are the ones that should be held to account. In cities with directly elected mayors, they hold the role of PCC also. Sadiq Khan is accountable for the state of the Met.
Assimilation only works with small numbers and in confident cultures, it also may no longer be possible in a world where people can read their local paper from home and watch nothing but TV from home.
I agree.
Niall his wife was from coming to Australia to give her talk. I really wanted to hear her what an amazing amazing woman I think they’re both so lucky to have each other how wonderful I must get her book
To add to our problems within, the Australian High Court has freed 80
hard core foreign criminals and terrorists in detention.
We are in deep trouble.
It's appalling.we lost control over immigration and population growth in the mid 90's.
Our governments and now our judges are our biggest enemy.
I hope that every member of Western leaders and elected members of their respective governments are listening to this discussion. We need some real leaders to emerge and actually start moving genuine domestic reforms so we can protect the rules based order.
Rules based order means
Do as Washington tells you while it breaks all the rules
Have you not heard of the Nakba?
Western leaders are already hypocrites like them and they’re losing
@@bignigeI have... 1948. That was when the surrounding Arab states attacked Israel, right?
🤡
Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
@@bignigeHave you not heard of the consequences of starting a war and then losing the war?? In every war in the history of the world people get displaced. The Arabs began the war in 1948 and promised their people that they would be able to return. Then they LOST the war. That is just the fact of life. Ask the 14 million Pakistans in 1947 who had to leave after they lost a war?
Read any of Nial Ferguson's books and you will learn how lucky those of us that live in a democracy based from British parliamentary system are. They say here that the many Islamist gov'ts really do not care much about their people. Historically Ferguson writes over & over there are all kinds of countries of non British tradition who's gov't exist in tyranny at the expense of the population that are forced to support them. Thankyou sir for your incredible perspective from vast historical information.
World needs Trump in 24 and then 16 more years of good old fashioned republicanism. As does Australia, the UK, France, Italy and Germany?
Otherwise the Chinese might be solving the Islamic and Radical-Left Problem in 50 years?
They eager to have Sharia !
A democracy
The democracy that ruined the life of the average Brit😂
@@jaja3359 I hitchhiked across GB in the 70's with a backpack & was made aware of the dilution of the English culture at that time. It is far too late for most of the 'colonial countries' of course but perhaps we can develop a hybrid facsimile if we all pick the right leadership going forward.
I think that the infiltration of western sensivities started when they realized that western culture always tends to support the underdog. They knew that they had the perfect story to turn around. Arab leaders, in wanting to refuse partition by the UN called for the Muslim population to abandon their towns and villages, hoping to get the UN to change the resolution. Only a section left, thus ruining the plan. However, later, in planning the story of victimhood the Palestinians pushed the story that they were expelled from their homes because the Jews wanted their lands. Many in the west became sympathetic. From there it became easy to formulate Terrorist groups.
Moving on to 7/10, many westerners, especially those who never really bought the Palestinian story and those who recognize how hard Israel works in the area of Science and medicine, instantly realized that Radical Islam would have no problem perpetrating the exact same upon them when they got the chance. This section of the population has to make itself heard and to come out in opposition to radicalism.
Some of what you say is true ,however you miss-out a crucial fact: THhat is going back before 48 to the 30's when the anti British Palastinian national liberation movement was defeated by the british army with the help of some enlisted Jewish people. So we are dealing with here is defeat..ect
They are not the under dog in anyway at all
If anything they are the evil empire
Don’t bring up past imperialism or old issues
We are talking about 2023 not years ago NOW
Well, irgun and hagganah terrorists have very detailed memoirs of cleaning the holy land. Only if your story was true. Lol
In fact the zi*nist extremist militias who were very well trained and agressive, they even alarmed the british authorities, british archives or even a google search can lead you those reports. But well, you have your made up story and you expect world to believe it. And that land was not for charity so that guilt ridden europeans can gift it to the people they couldn't tolerate in their lands.
I don't believe support for Palestine is anything to do with leftist politics it's more about anti colonisation. The world is full of the victims of European colonisation. Palestine is no different.
Black people are to America, what Palestinians are to Israel. The same exact arguments used by blacks in America for their suffering are the same as Palestinians to Israel and the world. The parallels are easy to see.
This needs to be watched by many more people.
He's a Zionist, so I don't think he is worthy listening to.
Yeh and then laugh 😂
If you really want to be challenged
I suggest listening to the likes of
Col Douglas Macgregor Ret
Prof Jeffery Sachs
Prof John Mearsheimer
Former Diplomat Alistair Crooke
John Hoe former Marine and Dod officer
All are frequent guests on the Judging Freedom Podcast
This is the most brilliant conversation I have heard about our possible future. I sent it to my grandchildren . Thank you.
The hypotheses of Ferguson are often, indeed mostly I believe, are correct but in any event, these discussions are enormously beneficial in terms of added knowledge and the raising of additional possibilities which we may face. As responsible citizens I know we must take these possibilities seriously. It's our lives, our families and our country's fate. Ferguson and Anderson are both hands on with facts. Few do this. We have to be grateful.
Thank you gentlemen for your noble conversation! Blessings from Israel and the Jewish people.
@yiddisheideas He's saying what many in the west are thinking - although not vocally.
The wisest act an American President could do, would be to make Dr. Ferguson an advisor on World Affairs………….
I think he might better listen to Douglas Murray.
I would make Niall Ferguson my pet dog's fashion advisor. I honestly believe his wardrobe choices would give me some unexpected chuckles.
@@paulheydarian1281Dr Ferguson seems to be typically dressed for an Academic. Thank goodness he doesn't wear that other academic affectation - the dickie bow !
Francis Fukuyama still tries to defend that we have reached "the end of History", but it more and more seems like it was "the end of Civilization"!
John such a shame you’re still not in politics. We really need people like you now more than ever. Naill is so good at putting realistic, pragmatic views forward based on an history context. Thank you
Niall Ferguson doesn’t disappoint normally, and he proves that hear with his expertise and informed opinion. You will leave this video better informed and aware.
Absolutely awesome analysis. I do't think I could agree more with just about anything he said.
Delusional understanding of Gaza’s. They voted in Hamas. Anti-semitism is rife amongst so called “ordinary Gaza’s civilians”.
50% of the population are under 18 and have been brainwashed in Islamic dogma and Jew hatred.
Smell the coffee Mr Ferguson. You are supposed to be intelligent…
Profound incredible intellectual a must hear conversation!!!
Thank you both for this and posting it♥️🙏🏻‼️
Thank you for presenting another clear thinking mind that ellucidares what is wrong with Western culture today which the Hamas / Israel war highlights.
Another great informative discussion. Thank you
The reoccurring theme is the moral equivalence argument, which is backed by the rejection of the facts by the supporters of the Palestinian /Hamas.
As for the the people of Palestine not supporting Hamas misses the underlying issue which plagues the wider Muslim world which is entrenched jew hatred.
Because people have literally fought over religion in the past.
Genghis Khan, and the later Yuan Emperors of China imposed restrictive decrees which forbade Islamic practices like halal butchering and forced Muslims to follow Mongol methods of butchering animals. As a result of these decrees, Muslims were forced to slaughter sheep in secret. Genghis Khan referred to Muslims as "slaves", and he also commanded them to follow the Mongol method of eating rather than the halal one. Circumcision was also forbidden. Toward the end of their rule, the corruption of the Mongol court and the persecution of Muslims became so severe that Muslim generals joined Han Chinese in rebelling against the Mongols. Muslims in the past haven't been treated well either by people and leaders of other religions. Stop following the Zionist narrative. It doesn't do you any favors. Hamas is a tool to get rid of the Palestinians by the Israeli government. Israel created Hamas. Israel was created on Zionist principles. Islamophobia isn't an attractive trait.
I don't support Hamas, but I see them as being a tool from Zionist Israel to fulfill their delusional prophecy. Israel never wanted peace in the first place.
@@Russophile30 "Israel created Hamas" - Islam created Hamas. Sorry.
"Muslims in the past haven't been treated well either by people and leaders of other religions" - why do you think that? Maybe the countless Islamic empires that colonized so much land had something to do with it. Just a thought.
"Islamophobia isn't an attractive trait." - looking at Muslims as backward is just the truth. It is not a fear. It is a disgust for a community that is hateful, supremacist and violent.
@@Russophile30 Thats a bit of what aboutism right there. Lets talk about the enslavement & slaughter of Hindus by the muslims, or maybe the centuries of barbarism & war in Spain under the Muslims. Then lets look at the global net benefits derived from one culture vs the other, on one hand you have the jews that have collectively won more Nobels that any other people, then we have the muslims, what have they contributed to global progress? Intolerance, hate, bigotry & a real patriarchy. Yeah, I think I'd prefer the zionist view over your idiotic suggestion.
Best Niall yet, new Cold War thesis, very insightful
Mostly started via Washington and Western Exceptionalism
A sobering but excellent discussion. The facts are clear and we need enlightened leadership in the West and we need it yesterday. We don't have the " greatest generation " that won the second world War and cold War one to save us. It's up to the collective free societies of the world to come together.
From sea to shining sea Islam will rule the Land of Liberty as a less History-savvy sudent cohort invades the canpuses Ivy League or otherwise 50:15
The level of ignorance of the Middle East affairs is pretty staggering. Wow
9:28 In addition to lamentable anti-logic infiltration of universities, there remains the perennial problem of youth --- heightened propensity to emotionality coupled with the impossibility of having acquired sufficient experience to navigate complexities.
Plus a societal tendency to worship youthfulness over age.
True. And add to that the increasing trend to indulge "precious offspring" who grow into entitled narcissists. "Every opinion counts," "A for Attendance," and other such resilience- and logic-limiting placation. None of this will ultimately prove beneficial to the young.@@johnschuh8616
and the usual youthful group stupidity of joining in with the latest woke fashion - but being ignorant about it.
There is nothing complex here..Israel is an illegitimate state occupying Palestine and resistance to the occupation is a good thing.
There is nothing complex here..Israel is a legitimate UN-instantiated state occupying part of British Palestine. Freeing the innocent amongst G-pawns from occupation by Hamas will be a good thing. The territory has never belonged to the Palestinians, who originated in the Arabian Peninsula.
Remember how the US and other Western nations tried to create 'better' societies in Iraq and Afghanistan? Its a noble endeavour but ......?
It wasn't for the better.
Turns out that just because you call it a ‘noble endeavour’ the people who have to die for it, invariably civilians who just want to live their life, don’t care why you killed their family members. All they care is that YOU killed them.
The west should firstly keep its mittens to itself and then preach.
So important interview. Thank you for this eye opening talk
Wow. I'm a young Jewish woman and I've been a fan of Ayaan Hirsi Ali for almost 10 years, I had no idea her husband was such an amazing person! I'm really happy they've found each other and I am so touched to hear him saying he feels empathy for us as a non-Jew.
It's really touching. I live in a European city where I now feel unsafe and so angry. I had an Arab girl I met just stop talking to or looking at me at a dinner party as soon as someone told her I was Jewish. I didn't express any views on Israel, she just went totally cold and ignored me.
I know it's dangerous and I have never in my life wanted to, but I now feel this sudden bizarre urge to wear a star of David necklace... I want to say I stand in solidarity with other Jews and I want everyone to know I'm a Jew and if they have a problem with that, I don't care. I've never had this desire in my life, never felt particularly Jewish, but I now realise it doesn't matter who I am as an individual. They will always see me as a Jew no matter what - so why should I hide it?
It's very upsetting. I suddenly feel a strange connection to my grandmother, who survived Auschwitz. Obviously I never EVER experienced anything like that, but I feel a certain sadness and determination that I saw in her. I'm not going to cower and hide and I'm not going to bow down to this nonsense.
Bravo ❤
Personally as an African American the shock of watching WW2 Holocaust footage, Schindler's List etc.
Makes it impossible today for me not to embrace the Jewish people who like my own people needlessly suffer because of inherent hatred. Your experience has fortified your inner courage to combat the fear inside and to face those who'd see you cower in silent support of murderers. Be strong and of good courage. God bless and keep you ❤
Supporting extreme Islamist Hamas while feeling passionate about LGBTQ+ rights is an example of WOKE logic, Niall.
Gazans went out in demonstrations against Hamas rule in 2019 . The media talked about these demonstrations, but analysts did not focus on their importance. As a result, the people of Gaza felt that they were besieged from two sides, Israel and Hamas, and that the Israeli siege was not a siege on Hamas, but rather on the population. On the other hand, it is a cordon to protect Hamas from other Palestinian forces.
Good to see at least once sensible and measured comment here🙏 The Palestinians are being shafted by everyone. They were kicked out of their land, as a result of genocide on Jewish people in Europe, and stuck with terrible leadership they can do nothing to change. Niall has a tendency to ignore previous abuse/oppression in his historical commentary and start from an artificial baseline, ignoring any previous state of affairs that doesn't support his conclusions. I've read most of his excellent books but often disagree with his conclusions. He is certainly centre right wing in his politics but seems unable to reflect on his own bias as well as he researches history. The UK and US have been undermining any attempt at secular democracy in the Arab states for decades. Read "The Great War for Civilisation" by Robert Fisk for an impartial study on it. To say that there is a clear right and wrong on either side of the Isreali-Palestinian leadership led violence is crazy and idiotic. The decent people in this area on both sides and Lebanon too, are the victims of ideologically driven violence perpetrated by extremists on either side and are not at all helped by the great powers either who have vested interests in not solving the issue peacefully. May all living beings live at peace🙏
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Thank you for your serious and understanding comment, and I agree with you. What I always mean to say is the necessity of understanding beyond our ideological and national biases. Understanding is a different issue from what we like and what we hate. The basic question is not: (Who are you with? Or: Who are you against?) but the question: (What is this thing? What is that?) I have been with the Palestinians for a long time, and I expected this popular movement sympathetic to them for a long time because I know the absurd injustice they are subjected to, and because this is real and realistic, I knew that no human being would accept to close his eyes to what It happens to the Palestinians, even by the people of Europe, despite the European media and politics that have described them as terrorism, barbarism, and extremism since the seventies. However, I knew, also from a long time ago, the damage that Hamas would cause to the Palestinians and not to Israel alone.
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Regarding the book by Robert Fisk that you are mentioning, I have read it. I admire Fisk. He is well acquainted with the Palestinian issue, but I did not finish the book, and I will tell you why: Because he takes Osama bin Laden seriously. I do not, because bin Laden and Al Qaeda are a game for Filling the news, media, and popular imagination with fictional stories that distance them from the real issues. By the way, do you know the meaning of the word (Al-Qaeda), which is an Arabic word? It does not have any meaning to the Arab listener. So, why did Bin Ladin use this word as the name of his organization? He did not do that. The Americans did because the word al-Qaeda is the dictionary translation of the English word “fundamentalist”!! It is unreasonable for Bin Laden to describe himself as a fundamentalist, but the West is playing a symbolic game in politics because of its control over the players
Niall Ferguson was very impressive. I've listened to many of his wife's orations, but had never come across his work. Thanks John!
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them
Which is why tolerance should be like a peace treaty rather than an absolute moral value.
I disagree with Niall's assessment regarding "the unholy alliance" of the so-called young generation leftists with Islamists. Currently, the majority of public opinion is pro-Palestinian simply because Palestinians are victims. It has nothing to do with Islam or Islamists. If anything, this is expression of humanitarian and humanistic values. At the same time Israel behaves as if hammer for the only tool in its toolbox and every problem was a nail. This is not helping. Israel cannot eradicate that fly with the hammer, and Israel will cause a considerate damage (including to itself) in the process.
Fantastic interview! The final three sugestions(53:00->end) of what can we, ordinary citizens do, is clear and reasonable! Thanks to John and Niall from Montevideo, Uruguay
Mr. Ferguson
Your wife Ayaan Hirsi Ali) is one of my Hero
Now you are also a great man
Great interview I wish more people would take the time to listen to it
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24:15 Good point. So, we need to build the case / research that group of people to understand how/why they were able to "switch" mindset to integrate.
A very insightful and thoughtful conversation thatvprovides a good perspective - thank you!
Everyone from Hoover university I come across are ever so smart, intelligent and with the right moral compass.
vacuum cleaners
@@gavinmc5285 your brain cannot go beyond vacuum cleaner
refering to your previous comment - because not all herberts accept branding
Awesome conversation! John, you need to have a conversation with Ayaan Hirsi Ali if you can 😊
Excellent interview. Thank you.
"Liberal western people who believe in Hamas also believe in LGBTQIA++". Let's just have a minute's silence to contemplate how ridiculous that is.
The majority of the western press goes out of its way to put a human face on the Arab side of the equation and to avoid putting a human face on the Israeli side of the equation or showing anything that might engender sympathy for the Israeli side. This may, in part at least, help explain warped public perceptions of the conflict.
I wonder if the event where the woman blamed Hamas was shown on network TV?
Hamas blended that woman into Hummus. She is No More. 😮
@@paulheydarian1281 I suppose that’s what we expect from Hamas but what about I’d like to know is if the clip of her berating Hamas made the evening news?
As a sartorial issue we need to talk about this outfit, Niall...Lord have mercy.
He looks great. He's home in Great Britain.
Thought it was very nice.
Bad tie day lol
His look has "professor" written all over it.
@@garylancaster8612 so true! History professor, at that. Good on him.
As a refugee from South Africa fleeing from the anti-white policies of the SA government now living in the West, I watch in horror as the West follows the exact same trajectory. Naturally, when I raise such issues, I am written off as a racist or similar twaddle. But now, to my horror, I watch as level-headed, no ax to grind, commentators such as Ferguson and Anderson are reaching similar conclusions. The West’s loose immigration policies coupled to the extreme leftward anti-white shift of western societies spells doom for the West. Five hundred years of enlightenment coming to a catastrophic end. Very sad.
Full of grace! Wonderful! Thank you both gentlemen.
Thank you for this. This podcast filled in some of the gaps of my knowledge. I appreciate this.
The last three points are absolutely crucial to reclaiming our society and culture.
Excellent conversation, I’ll be passing it along. I watch everything I can find with Niall Ferguson.
And he’s never looked better. Apologies for the superficiality, but I must say, strikingly well-dressed.
Very interesting, educative and thought provoking discussion.
Extremely interesting talk! Thank you!
it is interesting to have a shard of light in on one of the preeminent vatican academic think-tank thought leaders
Maybe Oct 7th was intended as a trap/provocation, but that's unlikely given the state of violent disunity Israel was in at that time. More likely, as some IDF officer said, Hamas thought Israel was too divided to respond and the US too weak to show any support.
When Gilead Shalit was abducted, Israel started to respond in Gaza without calling up the reserve, but was then distracted by an escalation in the North.
This IDF officer said Hamad didn't expect the calling up of the reserve or the sudden unity displayed by Israelis of all type. In a way, Hamas succeeded too well.
But this unity is from God.
Yep, information is coming out that Hamas attacked in order to provoke a wider conflict and spent the last 10 years worming its way into positons of influence in western academia and politics, which is why you're seeing glossy eyed western people protesting in defence of Hamas.
This has been the most important talk on geopolitics that I have ever heard.
The best discussion I have hard in many a time. I only wish the current CLOSED MIND young generation could open their eyes to the real world they live in !
Then why wouldn’t the people in Gaza denounce the Hamas, instead of blaming Israel’s atrocities If they had given them all the miseries which they are going through now. It’s a little bit weird. Isn’t it?
Potentially analogous to how the Germans were swept over by the Nazis and couldn't shake them.