Yeah I didn't want to be too definitive on those rumors until I heard otherwise, in my newer videos I just say it comes from SB Foot. Got another Red Wing comparison coming out tomorrow!
I live in Grand Rapids, MI, 15 min south of Rockford, the home of wolverine. I really wanted a pair of 1000 milers. You’d think I would be able to find a pair at the wolverine factory store. Nope! Nowhere on this side of the state. What the hell? I rolled up to the red wing store and got a pair of both the Iron Rangers and the Blacksmiths. I love them! I yoosta be a yooper so I didn’t mind buying a Minnesota made product over our local Wolverine. Super glad to know all the leather comes from your tannery. I love that!
The Iron Rangers are formed on the Red Wing modified Munson shoe last if I remember correctly. That is why their toe area is roomy but not mickey mouse style.
hey I own pair of iron ranger and beckman, but on the my beckman it has thin leather compares to the iron ranger, I feel like red wing is not up to the quality
Seriously the best boot reviewer on UA-cam. I was on the fence about a few boots and you either convinced me or persuaded me on buying. Super in depth and on point reviews. You earned another sub from this guy!
I own both. The Iron Rangers (8111) are five years old and my 1000 Mile Boots (cordovan #8) are a year old. I love both boots and wear both often. The 1000 Mile Boots win on aesthetics, which is subjective and the Rangers win on durability, and I’d be willing to bet that most people that own both boots would agree. Short of a gash in the leather, there almost isn’t anything that doesn’t rub or polish out of the Iron Rangers. While the CXL on the 1Ks can recover from some scuffing/scratching with a good polish, the competition in this department isn’t even close. One thing to be said is that I do live in western Pennsylvania, which is notorious for harsh winters. The IRs are the only boot I wear in the winter, as I don’t want to put a leather sole through a barrage of sidewalk salt. Last winter was especially wicked, and I’d thought that I had irreconcilably damaged the leather on my IRs, but after a few solid polishes with Chamberlain’s leather milk, they came back to life and look fantastic (maybe even more so, as the salt gave them some sweet dark spots). Just to touch a bit more on the 1Ks, I must say that I haven’t had many of the issues that users have complained of. While the CXL has creased a bit on the inside of my left boot (from the tilt of my foot while driving), I haven’t had near the amount of overall creasing I’ve seen on a few pair out in internet land. As well, the leather soles have held up fantastically, as they are free of cracks, holes, and separation. This all through a ton of hard wear in the pouring rain and on gravel-laden roads. I do take to a bit more care to treat and condition the 1Ks, as they just seem a bit more fragile. They are a much lighter boot (and indeed more comfortable) than the IRs and are much easier to dress up. So, you get a little here and give a little there. Both awesome boots and I highly recommend owning both. Great video, by the way.
Hey Daniel I really appreciate your writing out such a well thought out comment! I love how many guys own both pairs, like I said it's super common to want both. It is, of course, subjective on the aesthetics side. Wolverine is def more versatile and more dressy, so I can see that being paramount for a lot of guys. You're right that Chromexcel really is so easy to scratch up, I almost want to call it a dressy leather because it gets beat sooo easily. Of course a lot of guys like the look of worn in , beat up shoes - and CXL will definitely give them that, haha. I do want to emphasize (and maybe should have done a better job of emphasizing in the video) that I don't think ALL 1Ks are bad quality, rather that the quality *control* at Wolverine isn't great. There are a lot of great pairs out there, but they seem to let a lot of iffy ones through the cracks. Thanks again for your comment!
I have a 30 yo pair of redwings. Only damage is center of sole on left shoe, where I kick a shovel. They have been in mud, heat, water and cement. Been through 6 pairs of laces but the boots survive.
Ed Yue Well Ed, things just don’t last that long especially leather if you use it as claimed. Mud and cement, think about it. But your choice to believe it or not.
Can you explain the steel shank and what purpose it serves? Does it make the boot less comfortable to wear because it's more rigid? My feet are flat so having a steel arch support doesn't sound comfortable. Great video.
A shank is meant to make it more comfortable in a sense - it gives stability and arch support, helps maintain the boot's shape and integrity throughout your stride and throughout its life. A lot of people consider it the most important part of a shoe. It helps support the arch while the insole and midsole mould to the shape of your foot
@@Stridewise Well ... think about standing on a ladder rung for hours .... with your heal pushed forward into that ladder rung for stability, up there on ONLY your arch for hours. OUCH! That's what a steel shank is for! In casual shoes or boots, a steel shank is not required.
Great video. I am an Iron Ranger owner and I'm really happy with them. I think the toe cap looks great and really gives the boot a unique, old-fashioned look. The break in is no joke. They were uncomfortable the first couple of weeks. Now that the cork sole is properly molded to my foot, they're super comfortable. My only advice to a prospective buyer would be to try them on in a shop rather than buying over the Internet. The sizing is different from any other shoes I've owned. They are a full two sizes less than my running sneakers.
Two sizes! I wear a roomy 12 in sneakers and I've never had to go lower in size, except for European sizes of course. Glad you're happy with your pair, Joseph :)
Great informative video! I’ve worn my 8111 Rangers for 3 years now and have to say that they’ve gotten better with time and more wear. Although I haven’t worn the 1000 Miles I have seen in many photos and videos that they age bad
Thanks for your fine review. I own 3 pair of Iron rangers and one pair of Wolverine 1000 mile. I've had them all for over 3 years or more. The 1000M are the brown wingtip. The leather is fantastic. It's softer than the IRs. Mine has not creased like yours. Much more smooth, even with over 3 yrs of wear, but I would welcome that look. It has character. One note. I immediately had a commando soul and heel installed on my 1000m. I do a lot of street walking on pavement and leather souls chew up within months. The commando soul is going strong after 3 years of wear. The IR are a different boot to me. Much more sturdy and solid. They have a weight and a sound that makes them feel very masculine. I think every man should own a pair. I feel the same about the Beckman. I have two pair of those. Great boots as well. I also own Alden Indy, Viberg, Allen Edmunds, Trickers...the IRs remain a very central place in my wardrobe. Feel free to ask questions. Thanks again.
As always, another perfect video! I am a huge fan of your videos, and so happy to watch everyone one multiple times. Please keep releasing more, you cover everything and do it so efficiently.
Sparater, that's such a nice thing to say! As a guy just starting out on UA-cam, a comment like yours really does mean the world to me, thank you so much. (And thanks for all those extra pageviews, haha) Keep an eye out for more videos, I'm trying to increase my output by doing more comparisons amidst the reviews.
For people that wear work boots as a fashion statement just about anything will do. I make my decision on this matter based on actual on-the-job situations, and Red Wing works for me. There are so many variables here: some people can get by with cheap boots; others have problems with expensive boots. The main thing is, go to a real shoe (not an outlet, or discount...) store, try on different boots, "test drive" them and then, buy them AT THE SHOE STORE!!! (No cheating, and going back to the discount store!!) Two old sayings: - you get what you pay for - good shoes/good back; bad shoes/bad back. A lot of people don't believe that, but it's true (unless you're a mason, and they always have back problems!)
I sell shoes for a living and some customers like wolverine and some favorite Irish setter/red wing from customer reviews and my experience with several other manufactures I feel that I can pretty safely say there is not a significant quality difference in equally priced boots from red wing or wolverine there is however can be differences in the fit of the boot that can make them more or less comfortable to different users e.g. some people prefer more flexible footwear, some prefer stiffer. My advice would be to go to a store that sells a wide variety of boots and try on every boot in the category of boot your looking for that's in your price range and pick the one that fits the best and then properly take care of your boots and don't abuse them
Every 1000 mile resole video that I watch on UA-cam shows that there is a steel shank. The 1000 Mile is also available with Vibram half soles, and now a full lug sole. I prefer the fit of the Iron Ranger mainly because of the lower heel. These look more like work boots, so they are good kick around boots. I prefer the look of the 1000 Mile mainly because of the upper leather. Horween CXL is known for heavy creasing, but it is also soft, durable leather.
I would love to own either boot. Real world prices in early 2022 show Iron Rangers at $350 with no discounts available anywhere. The Wolverines can be found on sale at $250. (It gets confusing to me though since Wolverine has many subtlety different versions). Based on THAT, the 1000 Mile boot might be the real winner.
1000 Mile is worlds more comfortable than the Iron Ranger. The RedWings look nice sitting there. Put them on and your opinion changes. Painful and too heavy.
Stridewise I’ve been putting my Iron Ranger Hawthorne’s back into the rotation more and maybe I was a little harsh on them. I still feel the Wolverines are more comfortable but the Iron Rangers aren’t terrible. I think my memory is more based off the Beckman’s I had to sell as they were way too narrow.
Rediscover Film once Iron Rangers break in they are very comfortable, for a boot. They aren’t air Jordan’s, no. But they are not even remotely painful - I’ve been wearing mine constantly for 6 years.
I have over 40 years of heavy constructon and steel fabrication work in a shop making lock gates for mississippi river. The red wings were great for walking steel, welding, outdoor construction for 20 of those years. In the shop they were not comfortable,but held up until the toes wore thru to the steel from kneeling on concrete and steel. When i switched to wolverine, it was an incredably difference in comfort, but the soles wore out after two or three years, about half as long as the red wings. Its a trade off between comfort and duarability. Then a few years before i retired, i bought a pair of timberlands and the comfort level was unmatched. I still have a pair of red wings that i wear for yard work,and mc riding with a worn thru toe on the right boot that are 25+ years old, another pair of wolverines the same way about 15 years old, but for every day i still wear the timberlands. Hope this is helpful to someone
I haven't had any trouble from either boot. Iron Ranger may be a little tougher but the 1000 miler is tough as well and the 1000 miler looks way better.
I actually like the creases in the 1000m’s BUT for me, the Iron Rangers all the way....I love the toe cap, how the heal wraps around and how the ankle slopes down at the front, all of which I love....to me, they’re ruggedly chik! I’ve been able to buff mine up a bit and worn them on a more formal occasions. I’ve also worn them while digging fencing holes! I’m sure the 1000m’s could do too, but they just look like a million other boots out there - plain.
Ruggedly chic is a great way to put it Steve, haha. You're right, the Wolverines are plain. That makes it more appealing to more folks - I guess that's what "plain" really means - but they're much less eye catching. Glad you like your Iron Rangers as much as I did!
My favorite boots are the Red Wing blacksmith! I have them in the broad oil slick and they're gorgeous, they age extremely well, and are built as tough as the iron ranger which I have three of (Amber, oxblood, and hawthorne). I also own a Beckman in black Featherstone. I've noticed minimal greasing however the shoes are a bit tough to put on. But Red Wing is so great that even though I purchased them as factory seconds from a third party seller, they told me to take them to my local Red Wing store and they installed speed hooks FOR FREE. RED WINGS FOR LIFE!
The blacksmith is like if an Iron Ranger and 1000 Mile had a baby haha, I see why you like them Richard! My iron rangers are factory rejects too, they just had a little nick in the leather and I got them at like a hundred dollar discount!
Iron ranger with cork sole here Same size as all shoes and boots did not size down Black Feel an added leather heel insert was a game changer in terms of comfort Or consider trying a few types of inserts - Stay away from non-breathable goo / wacky/ gimmicky topical products / leather conditioning products .. don’t over think it... they’re boots. Wear in all conditions. Curious as to opinions on those that own cork soles and now a pair with vibram.... shock absorption, heat retention, comfort, other? Obviously traction would improve... But I assume wear faster? Great boots. Spend the $$$$
@@Stridewise I got a pair of coopers that had the new mini-lug Vibram sole. I didn't like that they felt too soft (compared to the old school cork rubber soles of IR's) or "hollow". They seem like athletic shoe soles (not boot soles?) I live in AZ where it only rains like 2 days a year so there's no need for the mini-lug unless I go desert trail hiking. I wore them for a couple hours and now they've been relegated to sitting in the garage collecting dust. I need to unload them on the Ebay.
Hi, I watched your vloges and based on your advice I sized down half size and bought the Thursday boots Captan(burnt copper) in size 7 US, but it was little snug/tight esp in the tip portion of my foot. I usually wear size 7.5 to 8 US size , now I am interested in buying the Redwing Ironranger 8111, so what size should I go for? Should I go for size US 7.5??? Please advise 🙏
I'd rather go with the Red Wing. Even though I dont own any famous boots, I do own some Allen Edmonds Park Avenues and I love them. I also prefer a 360 Goodyear welt.
I own both nearly 5 years old each, and the wolverines started creasing day one, I use them for dates and semi formal stuff because every scuff is noticeable. Iron rangers ive taken camping and beat them to death and somehow they look like theyre only a couple months old even the sole.
Exactly, right? Everyone loves Chromexcel leather so hard but it's a bit too thick to be dressy and a bit too vulnerable for knockaround boots. I don't know I mean I like CXL but it's frustrating for a lot of reasons.
I have both too and agree, the 1000s I feel I need to baby, but the IRs I show no respect 😁. The break in for the IRs lol some time. But red wing moc toe is diabolical
For you younger folks, let's cut to the chase. Redwing has been making the Iron Ranger the same way for a hundred years for good reason. He shows us he's had the Wolverine's for less than a year and the heel is falling off? I doubt the heel has ever fallen off the Iron Ranger since 1920.
The heel on the Wolverine is bonded, which is durable and reliable...most of the time. The Iron Ranger appears to have a nailed heel, which will come off when someone pries it off with tools.
@@JustClaude13 Wolverines are nailed in too. That heel would never fully come off without a lot of tugging with pliers. Just watch Brian the Bootmaker and you'll see for yourself.
@@stevehollwedel5709 I've heard that the American 1,000 mile boots have a bonded heel and 270 degree welt. My Chinese 1,000 Mile boots are nailed and 360 degree. And with a 1,000 Mile lug sole that is better for what I do than the standard leather sole, but not as fancy. I bought them for work, so I'm a little flexible on stylishness.
Schlub review: I have both the Wolverine 1000 Mile Addison Wingtip & Red Wings Beckman Boot. Both made in America. Welt stitching on both so they can be resoled after heavy use. 1000 Mile was less expensive by 50 bucks (120 compared to 170 based) Wolverine is much lighter , didn't crease as these in the video but the Beckman are like wearing rocks at first, you have to break those puppies in. Red Wings definitely feel like you can heel kick through a wall. 1000 Mile Addison were more comfortable and can be dressed up or down. Both Run big (I'm an 11 in Nike runners & wear a 10 in both RW & W). Hope this helps.
can you wear a insole, or i guess i should say, will they fit in the boot, and leave enough room for your foot? or have you tried insole's in the r/w? if so what were your results?
Nick. I am so reluctant to buy a pair of Thursday boots because of the heel. I am only 5’ 6” and while I appreciate the 2” in height they’ll give me , I don’t think they’ll look right on short men like myself. I think the boots will stand out too much against my short stature and skinny legs. The boots will wear me instead of me wearing them. Do you know what I mean?
Hey Nick, I'm looking to get a pair of Iron Rangers. Issue is they don't exist in stores anywhere around me (Portsmouth, UK based). I'm able to purchase them online, but am afraid of getting the size wrong. Do you have any advice? Cheers
I talk about the sizing a bit here: ua-cam.com/video/amleWqDrCf8/v-deo.html I found them half a size too big based on my Brannock, though I should state some people like them a full size down. My recommendation is half a size - in US sizes, of course
I do like my iron rangers but there are some things with them. 1) The support for them is minimal. Minimal arch support and the ankle support is nonexistent. You could lop off the top 3-4 inches and it'd be the exact same thing. 2) Their footbed and lack of support seems to allow a little more foot slippage while walking. 3) I have their vibrams, there is no shock absorption. You're walking on planks of wood. I do like wearing them, I forget when I wear them for 12 hour days. Personally, White's Service are much better at giving you foot and ankle support
Yeah the arch support isn't great with the Iron Ranger and I 100% agree that White's boots have absolutely phenomenal foot and ankle support. My review of them is coming out this month!
CXL creases that’s the nature of it. However it looks like you have a lot of loose grain on your 1000 miles which means not so good clicking. Red Wing used their own tannery which makes for better quality control. As far as build quality IMO RW are better than 1000 miles and Iron Rangers are built like a tank. I agree with you on comfort. Just got a pair of Alden Innsbruck Indy’s and can’t believe how comfortable they are compared to my RW’s. I wanted to step up in my next purchase and gave the Alden’s a shot being close to 2x as much as RW heritage. I have to say that the price difference is well worth it especially when it comes to comfort.
I do have a tonnn of loose grain on the CXL, Wolverine doesn't seem to inspect too closely when selecting their leathers. A lot of people have great 1Ks, I got one of the not-so-great ones. Alden is certainly a step up from Red Wing, I love the comfort of my Indys and the leather is super supple. The Innsbruck Indys are the 403s, right? Chromexcel? Did you check out my review, let me know what you think! ua-cam.com/video/KgSRBDjFKIQ/v-deo.html
Stridewise 1K’s from my experience and from reading forums are hit and miss when it comes to loose grain. You’ll be able to catch the loose grain when you get the boots or notice them at a store.
I’ve been happy with Red Wing, bought a new pair of RedWing DynaForce work boots today. My first pair of Red Wings lasted since I was about 16, I’m 20 now. Was happy to go spend my money with them again. Made in USA and good quality. Plus the purchasing experience is great in a Red Wing store, the clerks are friendly to deal with.
I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I've just watched three of your videos and yes, I really enjoyed these boot reviews :D I'm going for a Red Wing Harvester now.
So it sounds like you are saying you would get the same size in both boots. I have 9 in my Iron Rangers... I should get 9 in 1000 mile? Is one feel larger than the other? Would you have went with a different size after you wore them for awhile because of stretching? Thank you!
@@Stridewise Yes, I had to go down a full size in my Iron Rangers. I wanted to order 1000 miles on line but wasn't sure If I should order the same size as my IR but it sounds like they run the same.
The quality of RW leather is phenomenal. I have a pair of Red Wing Round Toes (#8196''s), after 6 years i had RW replace the original crepe sole with a Vibram full-lug. With some TLC, leather conditioner and new laces, they look like brand-new boots.
Comparing stitches. You mention triple vs quadruple but what weight of stitch is used (eg. 69, etc) and what is the stitch material (eg. bonded nylon, etc)...? Thanks, I love your videos.
I've owned a pair of Iron Rangers for almost a year and I love them. Mine has the full Vibram soles and is very comfortable for a maximum of 8-10 hours of being my feet, any longer it's going to be a problem. Sizing wise I am normally an 11, and bought a 10 1/2 and they are now perfect for wearing with thicker socks this coming winter (I tried it with the thick socks last week). This was a great review of the two boots, during my research I was also considering the Wolverines, and am glad I opted for the Red Wings IR.
Would you say that if I try wolverine shoes and they fit that the Red Wings would fit also? I live in Iceland and I can only try out Wolverine shoes but I really would rather have Red wings...
Love the reviews. Ended up going with the iron rangers and I love them. I keep laughing at how dark your iron rangers are in the reviews. Thanks again for the awesome work.
This is Amber Harness after using Obenauf's leather protector for about a year. I probably should have used Venetian Shoe Cream or mink oil, that would have done a better job of retaining the original color!
Team wolverine. Tried on both, and the red wings felt like pure torture. I used the balm Wolverine sells for the 1000 miles before putting them through hard wear. Not experiencing as much creasing as you are. I’d recommend reaching out to wolverine, because that heel should definitely not do that through normal wear.
Yeah, like I said in the video the Wolverine is definitely easier to wear in and has better shock absorption on the heel. Not saying every Wolverine shoe is poor quality, I'm saying their quality *control* isn't great - I shouldn't have gotten a pair like this.
Ive been wearing my 1000 miles for going on 5 years. Of course ive been on and off throughout the years, but theyre going strong. One of the first thing i did was install a rubber front sole so that may have saved my leather sole. The sole reason for this is so that i can wear them when it rains without worrying about leather soles getting soaked with water. As i see it, i see these two boots totally different with different buyers. Wolverines are more dressy occasion boots, while redwings are work boots-hence why construction of the boots are different. There are quiet few occasions where i wore my 1000 miles to fancy restaurants with casual sports jacket where i cant even imagine doing the same in iron ranger.
i have some insulated Red Wing work boots for winter in New England and they are the bomb! My feet have never gotten wet or cold in them and they r still in great shape after 3 years of shoveling and such in them.
I first bought Wolverine 1k and the heel fell off after just 3 days. I then bought the Red Wing IR and immediately the quality of the leather was noticeable. its been more than 2 years now and the IR still looking good. And btw, who buys a working style boot and use it as a dress boot'?
I really agree with your thoughts on these boots. The wolverine 1000 boots were a bit disappointing to me due to the extreme creasing of the leather. I have a pair of iron rangers and they’re okay. I was truly blown away by the quality of Helm Boots. I highly recommend their brand as I’ve found their chromexcel leather to be of better quality. They look fantastic!
This is a joke right? You named 3 of the well-known bottom tier boots. Stridewise has done comparisons on Doc Marten's and Timb's though, since those are in their own low tier of quality.
Pro tip: When buying Redwings, DON'T buy a half size down if comfort is a consideration. Buy your regular size and invest in a quality pair of in-soles. I recommend Superfeet orthotic insoles (orange or green depending on your arch). They're fairly pricey but are amazing. I spent years in army boots, where I learned the value of insoles. Wearing boots without them is just plain masochistic.
I've got the redwing postman chukkas, and they have the creases like the 1,000 mile, guessing that they use similar leather. I like the fact that I can spit shine my postman.... It's a great boot/shoe for standing and walking.
The heel cap on my 1000 mile broke down really quick and became unwearable. So I had to take them to cobbler and they added a plastic heel cap under the leather and now their wearable but are really hard on my heel. My iron ranger have been super comfortable after the first 3-4 wears
its a bummer that your CXL has lot of loose grain, else it would have been a beautiful looking boot. While creasing gives leather character, loose grain can be extremely ugly. Oh and a very objective review. Keep going man.
One key thing that sold me on my Redwing Iron Rangers, is their redwing satellite stores all over the country. I get free personal service for oiling them and free shoe laces. Also after about 2 weeks or so of breaking in and another month of breaking them in they are a joy to wear. Not to mention gorgeous looking.
Great video. Like you I am lucky enough to own both. Can I also throw another pair into the mix? How about LL Bean Katahadin boots? I have a pair of them too and really rate them. I could not pick between the boots as each has days when one is best but they change around! Solution was bigger boot storage!
Stridewise you owe it to yourself! You deserve the boots! Funny thing is Hawthornes next on my radar! I look on them as an investment? They will last a lifetime, make you happy every time you wear them. Look good and never let you down- what can be wrong with that?
Ugh look at those boots I just Googled them and it would have made way more sense to get them. But the Hawthornes are more popular so my video on them will get more views, so it makes more sense to use them!
I did some research before I bought my first pair of boots and most people who owned both preferred the Redwings. I ended up importing a pair of 8112's from Sweden because I loved the color as Redwing doesn't sell them here in USA even though they are a American made boot.
I keep seeing custom wolverine 1ks all over IG but cant seem to find how to do so on their Website. I'd say the customizable factor puts them quite a bit ahead of Redwings. I own three pairs of Iron Ranger and love them, but I would love to use different leathers on toe box and heel counter etc...
Stridewise Idk but I will most definitely have to try them. I'm in need of some new boots now so those may be my next purchase as I tried the Carolina logger boots BIG WASTE OF MONEY THERE LOL.
I used to work for Red Wing and they will replace the soles on your boots for as long as you own them.If you don't want hooks at the top of your boots, they replace the hooks with eyelets in minutes.Tried & True, Red Wings are for me and you!
I had a pair of 1000 Miles. I still have the Iron Rangers I bought at about the same time. I think I’m going to send them to Potter and Sons for a combo leather/rubber sole.
I wear the same size in both, size 11. Relatively similar as far as fit goes, Wolverine had no real break in though and the rubber heel meant the shock absorption is a bit better. Arch support a little better in Red Wing.
I got my Iron Rangers for $160 new (factory firsts) on Amazon. It seems like Red Wings don't drop so low on Amazon anymore though. Last year it happened all the time!
Oxblood! Might be my favorite color, too (although they're all really nice). Ironically, the most expensive Red Wings I've ever gotten were $190 factory seconds (Rancher Chelsea). Everything else has been $100-180 factory firsts, bargain hunted! (mostly amazon) But I think those days are over, which is good. I have enough!
My Iron Rangers are actually factory seconds too, they had a tiny nick on one of the boots which knocked a hundred bucks off the price, I was pretty happy with how it went down :) Nice work on the oxblood, I just cannot pull the trigger on slightly red shoes I always think I won't be able to pull them off with enough outfits. Glad you like em though Jesse, I'll add your review to the ongoing "pros vs cons' columns in my head haha :)
Yeah!! I love oxblood!! (I guess originally it was called "merlot," and it's more of a maroon? burgundy? the "black cherry" Beckmans are definitely even more burgundy tho) I really find that it matches just about anything. I wear it with black a lot, because I don't necessarily like to wear black or brown shoes with black pants! They're definitely different than having red shoes. Even my oro russet portage are red enough that I have a hard time. Not a problem with the oxblood rangers tho. It helps that I just plain love the color. If you don't just plain love it, no sense trying to get used to it, but I really find it works with so much!
Hmm, real food for thought, Jesse! I can definitely see them working with plainer outfits, I just feel funny about wearing unusual shoes with even a patterned shirt, but I'm a pretty boring dresser haha!
Thanks for this! I've own the Iron Ranger since Feb and ordered the Wolverine last week. I'm hoping the Wolverines fit a little better. My Iron Rangers are still crazy uncomfortable after tons of break in. My Beckmans on the other hand are like walking on clouds.
Oh that's such a shame the IRs are still uncomfortable. A lot of people I know like to rub lanolin around the inside of the boot to soften it up, consider trying that out. If still no good, a cobbler might be able to add some lining to help you out. The Wolverines, in any case, broke in a lot more easily for me so hopefully you have that to look forward to.
I have both and both are really comfortable. I'd say the Iron Rangers have the edge though. We all have different shaped feet so they will feel different on different people.
my issue is the insole. The hard foot bed becoming tiring after a while. They fit is spot not though, which leaves no room for a after market one. I guess I could size up but that might leave too much in the length.
Are the same size in both? I'm a 9EE in IR's but Wolverine doesn't make EE's only EEE's, so I had to order a 9EEE. Hopefully it fits ok. The IR's do fit like a glove. Just tiring after a few hours of walking around.
That's true, I just reviewed the Jack Erwin Chester and I lent them to a few people who have my exact shoe size. Half found it too narrow, half didn't. Lasts can be confusing
Iorn Ranger all day. Compared across most heritage boot brands Red Wings are not #1 for comfort but in my opinion if your paying hundreds of dollars I want my boot to age very well and handle anything that comes at it. A boot is supposed to be footwear your not worried about if things go south and you find yourself in the rain, snow, or a dirt road. Not saying I would take either on a trek through a mountainside but I want to know they could do it.
They are both amazing. I prefer the looks and comfort of Wolverines, i don't mind the creases but i also love and appreciate the better durability and lower price of Red Wings. I don't think you can go wrong with either one of these.
How do they compare with Thursdays "Captains" they are currently going for $200. One wonders if it's worth saving the hundred and so dollars. I bet someone can answer this in comments for me.
I've had a pair of Wolverines for just a little over 1 month. One month guys. They're falling apart. Stitching coming out and soles starting to separate. Junk
Your comment reminded me of stubble burning in my younger days. Working with the ground smoldering underfoot, leather soles were a must. One of the guys bought a new pair of boots for the job and the soles parted company with the uppers after 15 minutes. The leather was fine, but the nylon stitching holding them to the uppers had melted. Unfortunately I cant remember who made the boots. A similar thing happened to a guys jeans a few years later when we were stomping the fire down at the end of the day. Again nylon stitching melted and the inside leg seams disintegrated almost up to the knee.
My thoughts. I think it is the Iron Ranger that is the boot that does not know it's role. Let me state that I have (had) many pairs of each brand over the years, I have had success with both. Second - if your Wolverine boots are not living up to the game, send it back - unless they were a product gift, that is money out of pocket and any reputable boot maker will address it. Next - I bought the 1000 mile (Evans for more traction) because I wanted a comfortable boot that could go between the office and the field. I often times find myself needing a boot than can cover both needs. The Evans (1000 mile) has been brilliant at that task (and no I do not have all the leather issue you speak about). The Iron Ranger on the other hand does not play both rolls, it looks too burly to play in the office, and it is not anything close to something I would put on for a 14 hour day in the work place. For that sort of thing I would use 8138 if I have a full day of concrete (which I own), or the 8146 if I need something that crips the life out of every surface touches (which I own), and if I have a day of muck, rain, and elements they all stay in the closet and I roll with something that has Gore-Tex in the boot. The Iron Ranger has not enough traction, or support to be a world class work boot, and nowhere near the style to be something you can dress up when required. The Iron Ranger may be a well made boot from a respectable boot maker; in the end it is nothing more than a casual boot for beer trips, grocery outings, and trips to the park with your kids. I am not saying that a life long lasting boot is not the right choice for that, and think that more Americans should purchase this boot for that rather than poorly made sports shoes made by crying children if far away lands, I am just saying that it in my opinion it fails to meet to opinions of the creator of this video, and if you are looking for a multi-purpose boot, or a proper work boot this review may have some issues you want to address before making your purchase.
I own both and I always going to choose 1000 mile wolverine. Out of the box they are comfortable, the leather feel good like wearing a good baseball glove. Not to say Redwing isn't good, but I went to 4 to 5 month trying to break those boots in, I had to buy redwing wooden boots spreader to help be expand the Redwing Ranger boot, which was an extra $70. SO that's something you have to keep in mind, it take time to break them in and if you anything like me that works in the office you have to bring an extra pair of shoe with you because the breaking in process is harsh.
leather sole ugly?? did yall not EVER wear coyboy boots? How long has the leather sole been used throughout history? I am curious as to how long that vibram lug will last. Every pair of Vibram soled shoes and boots I have ever had has DRY-ROTTED and crumbled. Did you follow the manufacturers guide for care on both boots? My Iron Rangers are 5 years old and they dont look like I dipped them in burnt motor oil.
There was nothing in this video that makes me think that I should choose the 1000 mile over the Iron Ranger, and I think that's why it will be my next boot purchase.
Really well done comparison, thanks. I must say the quality issues on the Wolverines you've highlighted are pretty disturbing and really keep me from buying a pair of Wolverines.
Looking to buy my first pair of boots and your videos are literally what I'm looking for so thank you! Any chance you have any Meermin boots to review?
That's so funny you asked, I'm wearing Meermin boots right now! They're the popular Chestnut Country Calf, I just put them on a few minutes ago. The review will be up here in a few weeks. It's a pretty scaly leather and I'm looking forward to wearing them at a wedding this weekend - they're quite dressy and you can't wear them with a t-shirt, even flannel would be a bit weird. Keep an eye out for the video!
I am an old iron worker. When you are walking around, 400 feet in the air , on steel four inches wide, you need to be able to feel what you are stepping on, and you need to have the stability and ankle support to instantly shift your weight. Red Wing gives you both. When your life depends on your feet, always Red Wing. No competition, not even a question. Red Wing
That's so interesting because I would have thought the one advantage Wolverine might have over Red Wing is that the thinner leather sole would provide better groundfeel. You think the cork is just as good, David?
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What color are your wolverine 1000. Regular brown
I work for Red Wing. The Heritage line leather 100% comes from our tannery, we even still own the cattle that the leather comes from.
Yeah I didn't want to be too definitive on those rumors until I heard otherwise, in my newer videos I just say it comes from SB Foot. Got another Red Wing comparison coming out tomorrow!
I live in Grand Rapids, MI, 15 min south of Rockford, the home of wolverine. I really wanted a pair of 1000 milers. You’d think I would be able to find a pair at the wolverine factory store. Nope! Nowhere on this side of the state. What the hell? I rolled up to the red wing store and got a pair of both the Iron Rangers and the Blacksmiths. I love them! I yoosta be a yooper so I didn’t mind buying a Minnesota made product over our local Wolverine. Super glad to know all the leather comes from your tannery. I love that!
The Iron Rangers are formed on the Red Wing modified Munson shoe last if I remember correctly. That is why their toe area is roomy but not mickey mouse style.
@@aaronpaulschautseems like the Iron rangers would be a popular boot to see at Founders brewing. I'll be getting a pair this week hopefully.
hey I own pair of iron ranger and beckman, but on the my beckman it has thin leather compares to the iron ranger, I feel like red wing is not up to the quality
Seriously the best boot reviewer on UA-cam. I was on the fence about a few boots and you either convinced me or persuaded me on buying. Super in depth and on point reviews. You earned another sub from this guy!
Yo comments like that give me life, I'm serious thank you so much for saying that. I'll be smiling all day. Thank you for watching and for subbing!
I own both. The Iron Rangers (8111) are five years old and my 1000 Mile Boots (cordovan #8) are a year old. I love both boots and wear both often. The 1000 Mile Boots win on aesthetics, which is subjective and the Rangers win on durability, and I’d be willing to bet that most people that own both boots would agree. Short of a gash in the leather, there almost isn’t anything that doesn’t rub or polish out of the Iron Rangers. While the CXL on the 1Ks can recover from some scuffing/scratching with a good polish, the competition in this department isn’t even close.
One thing to be said is that I do live in western Pennsylvania, which is notorious for harsh winters. The IRs are the only boot I wear in the winter, as I don’t want to put a leather sole through a barrage of sidewalk salt. Last winter was especially wicked, and I’d thought that I had irreconcilably damaged the leather on my IRs, but after a few solid polishes with Chamberlain’s leather milk, they came back to life and look fantastic (maybe even more so, as the salt gave them some sweet dark spots).
Just to touch a bit more on the 1Ks, I must say that I haven’t had many of the issues that users have complained of. While the CXL has creased a bit on the inside of my left boot (from the tilt of my foot while driving), I haven’t had near the amount of overall creasing I’ve seen on a few pair out in internet land. As well, the leather soles have held up fantastically, as they are free of cracks, holes, and separation. This all through a ton of hard wear in the pouring rain and on gravel-laden roads.
I do take to a bit more care to treat and condition the 1Ks, as they just seem a bit more fragile. They are a much lighter boot (and indeed more comfortable) than the IRs and are much easier to dress up.
So, you get a little here and give a little there. Both awesome boots and I highly recommend owning both.
Great video, by the way.
Hey Daniel I really appreciate your writing out such a well thought out comment! I love how many guys own both pairs, like I said it's super common to want both.
It is, of course, subjective on the aesthetics side. Wolverine is def more versatile and more dressy, so I can see that being paramount for a lot of guys. You're right that Chromexcel really is so easy to scratch up, I almost want to call it a dressy leather because it gets beat sooo easily. Of course a lot of guys like the look of worn in , beat up shoes - and CXL will definitely give them that, haha.
I do want to emphasize (and maybe should have done a better job of emphasizing in the video) that I don't think ALL 1Ks are bad quality, rather that the quality *control* at Wolverine isn't great. There are a lot of great pairs out there, but they seem to let a lot of iffy ones through the cracks.
Thanks again for your comment!
Did you apply any sort of waterproofing agent to your IR's to help with the wet weather? I live in Ohio, so our weather is basically the same.
Do the IRs keep your feet warm enough with a wool sock the snow?
I have a 30 yo pair of redwings. Only damage is center of sole on left shoe, where I kick a shovel. They have been in mud, heat, water and cement. Been through 6 pairs of laces but the boots survive.
So glad to hear they worked out for you Paul, it'd be lame if I had a million people telling me their Red Wings fell apart after a year haha :)
paul norris
30 yo pair huh. You must have only wore them to church on Sunday. Sounds like BS or satire, you choose
Should give cc filson laces a try. They dip them in wax. In my opinion they were great as far as lasting a little longer than other laces
@@toddwillard8927 And you came to this conclusion how?
Ed Yue
Well Ed, things just don’t last that long especially leather if you use it as claimed. Mud and cement, think about it. But your choice to believe it or not.
Can you explain the steel shank and what purpose it serves? Does it make the boot less comfortable to wear because it's more rigid? My feet are flat so having a steel arch support doesn't sound comfortable. Great video.
A shank is meant to make it more comfortable in a sense - it gives stability and arch support, helps maintain the boot's shape and integrity throughout your stride and throughout its life. A lot of people consider it the most important part of a shoe. It helps support the arch while the insole and midsole mould to the shape of your foot
@@Stridewise Well ... think about standing on a ladder rung for hours .... with your heal pushed forward into that ladder rung for stability, up there on ONLY your arch for hours. OUCH! That's what a steel shank is for! In casual shoes or boots, a steel shank is not required.
Shank can also help in heavy shovel work
Great video. I am an Iron Ranger owner and I'm really happy with them. I think the toe cap looks great and really gives the boot a unique, old-fashioned look. The break in is no joke. They were uncomfortable the first couple of weeks. Now that the cork sole is properly molded to my foot, they're super comfortable. My only advice to a prospective buyer would be to try them on in a shop rather than buying over the Internet. The sizing is different from any other shoes I've owned. They are a full two sizes less than my running sneakers.
Two sizes! I wear a roomy 12 in sneakers and I've never had to go lower in size, except for European sizes of course. Glad you're happy with your pair, Joseph :)
Redwing all day long.
Clown. lol
Thorogood
one is ugly and one is perfect. Redwings look like shit.
John Harrington nah
Great informative video! I’ve worn my 8111 Rangers for 3 years now and have to say that they’ve gotten better with time and more wear. Although I haven’t worn the 1000 Miles I have seen in many photos and videos that they age bad
Glad I'm not the only one with that opinion. So glad you liked the video, Angelo!
Once Redwing is broken-in, there's nothing like em.
Iron Ranger are my top pick. I had my for a few years. I just use good wool boots socks in all my boots. and I like to say you do great videos .
Thanks, Radeon!
Thin premium smart wool socks for summer and dress, Costco/Kirkland merino hiking socks for everything else. Just me and my iron rangers.
Thanks for your fine review. I own 3 pair of Iron rangers and one pair of Wolverine 1000 mile. I've had them all for over 3 years or more. The 1000M are the brown wingtip. The leather is fantastic. It's softer than the IRs. Mine has not creased like yours. Much more smooth, even with over 3 yrs of wear, but I would welcome that look. It has character. One note. I immediately had a commando soul and heel installed on my 1000m. I do a lot of street walking on pavement and leather souls chew up within months. The commando soul is going strong after 3 years of wear.
The IR are a different boot to me. Much more sturdy and solid. They have a weight and a sound that makes them feel very masculine. I think every man should own a pair. I feel the same about the Beckman. I have two pair of those. Great boots as well.
I also own Alden Indy, Viberg, Allen Edmunds, Trickers...the IRs remain a very central place in my wardrobe.
Feel free to ask questions. Thanks again.
Thanks a ton for your input, Duke! Sounds like you could review boots yourself :)
Great review. Very helpful. Thank you
How long can Iron Rangers last if you take care of them and wear them 2 times a week?
As always, another perfect video! I am a huge fan of your videos, and so happy to watch everyone one multiple times. Please keep releasing more, you cover everything and do it so efficiently.
Sparater, that's such a nice thing to say! As a guy just starting out on UA-cam, a comment like yours really does mean the world to me, thank you so much. (And thanks for all those extra pageviews, haha) Keep an eye out for more videos, I'm trying to increase my output by doing more comparisons amidst the reviews.
For people that wear work boots as a fashion statement just about anything will do.
I make my decision on this matter based on actual on-the-job situations, and Red Wing works for me.
There are so many variables here: some people can get by with cheap boots; others have problems with expensive boots. The main thing is, go to a real shoe (not an outlet, or discount...) store, try on different boots, "test drive" them and then, buy them AT THE SHOE STORE!!! (No cheating, and going back to the discount store!!)
Two old sayings:
- you get what you pay for
- good shoes/good back; bad shoes/bad back.
A lot of people don't believe that, but it's true (unless you're a mason, and they always have back problems!)
I sell shoes for a living and some customers like wolverine and some favorite Irish setter/red wing from customer reviews and my experience with several other manufactures I feel that I can pretty safely say there is not a significant quality difference in equally priced boots from red wing or wolverine there is however can be differences in the fit of the boot that can make them more or less comfortable to different users e.g. some people prefer more flexible footwear, some prefer stiffer. My advice would be to go to a store that sells a wide variety of boots and try on every boot in the category of boot your looking for that's in your price range and pick the one that fits the best and then properly take care of your boots and don't abuse them
Every 1000 mile resole video that I watch on UA-cam shows that there is a steel shank. The 1000 Mile is also available with Vibram half soles, and now a full lug sole.
I prefer the fit of the Iron Ranger mainly because of the lower heel. These look more like work boots, so they are good kick around boots.
I prefer the look of the 1000 Mile mainly because of the upper leather. Horween CXL is known for heavy creasing, but it is also soft, durable leather.
I would love to own either boot. Real world prices in early 2022 show Iron Rangers at $350 with no discounts available anywhere. The Wolverines can be found on sale at $250. (It gets confusing to me though since Wolverine has many subtlety different versions). Based on THAT, the 1000 Mile boot might be the real winner.
1000 Mile is worlds more comfortable than the Iron Ranger. The RedWings look nice sitting there. Put them on and your opinion changes. Painful and too heavy.
I'd agree they're harder to break in but I don't think they're more comfortable in the long term. Leather soles do have nice groundfeel, though.
I think they're both really comfortable. The RW is obviously heavier but that's just because it's got more sole to it which I like better
Stridewise I’ve been putting my Iron Ranger Hawthorne’s back into the rotation more and maybe I was a little harsh on them. I still feel the Wolverines are more comfortable but the Iron Rangers aren’t terrible. I think my memory is more based off the Beckman’s I had to sell as they were way too narrow.
Rediscover Film once Iron Rangers break in they are very comfortable, for a boot. They aren’t air Jordan’s, no. But they are not even remotely painful - I’ve been wearing mine constantly for 6 years.
I have over 40 years of heavy constructon and steel fabrication work in a shop making lock gates for mississippi river.
The red wings were great for walking steel, welding, outdoor construction for 20 of those years. In the shop they were not comfortable,but held up until the toes wore thru to the steel from kneeling on concrete and steel.
When i switched to wolverine, it was an incredably difference in comfort, but the soles wore out after two or three years, about half as long as the red wings.
Its a trade off between comfort and duarability.
Then a few years before i retired, i bought a pair of timberlands and the comfort level was unmatched.
I still have a pair of red wings that i wear for yard work,and mc riding with a worn thru toe on the right boot that are 25+ years old, another pair of wolverines the same way about 15 years old, but for every day i still wear the timberlands.
Hope this is helpful to someone
I haven't had any trouble from either boot. Iron Ranger may be a little tougher but the 1000 miler is tough as well and the 1000 miler looks way better.
Scott Hammontree agreed. I have both, and the 1000 mile fit my narrow feet better. Although the iron rangers kick ass as well
I actually like the creases in the 1000m’s BUT for me, the Iron Rangers all the way....I love the toe cap, how the heal wraps around and how the ankle slopes down at the front, all of which I love....to me, they’re ruggedly chik! I’ve been able to buff mine up a bit and worn them on a more formal occasions. I’ve also worn them while digging fencing holes! I’m sure the 1000m’s could do too, but they just look like a million other boots out there - plain.
Ruggedly chic is a great way to put it Steve, haha. You're right, the Wolverines are plain. That makes it more appealing to more folks - I guess that's what "plain" really means - but they're much less eye catching. Glad you like your Iron Rangers as much as I did!
That toe cap makes a difference when a horse steps on your toe. I brush mine and wear them with tweed all the time.
Rob Powers, I bet that would make you smile!
My favorite boots are the Red Wing blacksmith! I have them in the broad oil slick and they're gorgeous, they age extremely well, and are built as tough as the iron ranger which I have three of (Amber, oxblood, and hawthorne). I also own a Beckman in black Featherstone. I've noticed minimal greasing however the shoes are a bit tough to put on. But Red Wing is so great that even though I purchased them as factory seconds from a third party seller, they told me to take them to my local Red Wing store and they installed speed hooks FOR FREE. RED WINGS FOR LIFE!
The blacksmith is like if an Iron Ranger and 1000 Mile had a baby haha, I see why you like them Richard! My iron rangers are factory rejects too, they just had a little nick in the leather and I got them at like a hundred dollar discount!
Iron ranger with cork sole here
Same size as all shoes and boots did not size down
Black
Feel an added leather heel insert was a game changer in terms of comfort
Or consider trying a few types of inserts -
Stay away from non-breathable goo / wacky/ gimmicky topical products / leather conditioning products ..
don’t over think it... they’re boots.
Wear in all conditions.
Curious as to opinions on those that own cork soles and now a pair with vibram.... shock absorption, heat retention, comfort, other?
Obviously traction would improve...
But I assume wear faster?
Great boots.
Spend the $$$$
I also would love to hear from people who tried out the Vibram sole.
@@Stridewise I got a pair of coopers that had the new mini-lug Vibram sole. I didn't like that they felt too soft (compared to the old school cork rubber soles of IR's) or "hollow". They seem like athletic shoe soles (not boot soles?) I live in AZ where it only rains like 2 days a year so there's no need for the mini-lug unless I go desert trail hiking.
I wore them for a couple hours and now they've been relegated to sitting in the garage collecting dust. I need to unload them on the Ebay.
Hi, I watched your vloges and based on your advice I sized down half size and bought the Thursday boots Captan(burnt copper) in size 7 US, but it was little snug/tight esp in the tip portion of my foot. I usually wear size 7.5 to 8 US size , now I am interested in buying the Redwing Ironranger 8111, so what size should I go for? Should I go for size US 7.5??? Please advise 🙏
I'd rather go with the Red Wing. Even though I dont own any famous boots, I do own some Allen Edmonds Park Avenues and I love them. I also prefer a 360 Goodyear welt.
I own both nearly 5 years old each, and the wolverines started creasing day one, I use them for dates and semi formal stuff because every scuff is noticeable. Iron rangers ive taken camping and beat them to death and somehow they look like theyre only a couple months old even the sole.
Exactly, right? Everyone loves Chromexcel leather so hard but it's a bit too thick to be dressy and a bit too vulnerable for knockaround boots. I don't know I mean I like CXL but it's frustrating for a lot of reasons.
I have both too and agree, the 1000s I feel I need to baby, but the IRs I show no respect 😁. The break in for the IRs lol some time. But red wing moc toe is diabolical
wolverines have always been the most comfortable for me. Never wore those particular types though
For you younger folks, let's cut to the chase. Redwing has been making the Iron Ranger the same way for a hundred years for good reason. He shows us he's had the Wolverine's for less than a year and the heel is falling off? I doubt the heel has ever fallen off the Iron Ranger since 1920.
The heel on the Wolverine is bonded, which is durable and reliable...most of the time.
The Iron Ranger appears to have a nailed heel, which will come off when someone pries it off with tools.
@@JustClaude13 Wolverines are nailed in too. That heel would never fully come off without a lot of tugging with pliers. Just watch Brian the Bootmaker and you'll see for yourself.
@@stevehollwedel5709
I've heard that the American 1,000 mile boots have a bonded heel and 270 degree welt.
My Chinese 1,000 Mile boots are nailed and 360 degree. And with a 1,000 Mile lug sole that is better for what I do than the standard leather sole, but not as fancy.
I bought them for work, so I'm a little flexible on stylishness.
Schlub review: I have both the Wolverine 1000 Mile Addison Wingtip & Red Wings Beckman Boot.
Both made in America.
Welt stitching on both so they can be resoled after heavy use.
1000 Mile was less expensive by 50 bucks (120 compared to 170 based)
Wolverine is much lighter , didn't crease as these in the video but the Beckman are like wearing rocks at first, you have to break those puppies in. Red Wings definitely feel like you can heel kick through a wall.
1000 Mile Addison were more comfortable and can be dressed up or down.
Both Run big (I'm an 11 in Nike runners & wear a 10 in both RW & W).
Hope this helps.
Both made in Chile or made in Canada?? America Is a continent Mr. Trump.
can you wear a insole, or i guess i should say, will they fit in the boot, and leave enough room for your foot? or have you tried insole's in the r/w? if so what were your results?
Mr. Waynes height increasing or just corrective insoles?
Nick. I am so reluctant to buy a pair of Thursday boots because of the heel. I am only 5’ 6” and while I appreciate the 2” in height they’ll give me , I don’t think they’ll look right on short men like myself. I think the boots will stand out too much against my short stature and skinny legs. The boots will wear me instead of me wearing them. Do you know what I mean?
Hey Nick,
I'm looking to get a pair of Iron Rangers. Issue is they don't exist in stores anywhere around me (Portsmouth, UK based). I'm able to purchase them online, but am afraid of getting the size wrong. Do you have any advice?
Cheers
I talk about the sizing a bit here: ua-cam.com/video/amleWqDrCf8/v-deo.html I found them half a size too big based on my Brannock, though I should state some people like them a full size down. My recommendation is half a size - in US sizes, of course
@@Stridewise Thanks for responding! I'll give that video a watch now.
Recently bought IRs. I’m normally a 12. Ordered 11s. Too small. Returned for 11.5s. Perfect.
I was looking at picking up a pair of either of these boots. The problem is the price, for not much more I could get a pair of Cheaney's or Sargent's.
I do like my iron rangers but there are some things with them.
1) The support for them is minimal. Minimal arch support and the ankle support is nonexistent. You could lop off the top 3-4 inches and it'd be the exact same thing.
2) Their footbed and lack of support seems to allow a little more foot slippage while walking.
3) I have their vibrams, there is no shock absorption. You're walking on planks of wood.
I do like wearing them, I forget when I wear them for 12 hour days. Personally, White's Service are much better at giving you foot and ankle support
Yeah the arch support isn't great with the Iron Ranger and I 100% agree that White's boots have absolutely phenomenal foot and ankle support. My review of them is coming out this month!
CXL creases that’s the nature of it. However it looks like you have a lot of loose grain on your 1000 miles which means not so good clicking. Red Wing used their own tannery which makes for better quality control. As far as build quality IMO RW are better than 1000 miles and Iron Rangers are built like a tank. I agree with you on comfort.
Just got a pair of Alden Innsbruck Indy’s and can’t believe how comfortable they are compared to my RW’s. I wanted to step up in my next purchase and gave the Alden’s a shot being close to 2x as much as RW heritage. I have to say that the price difference is well worth it especially when it comes to comfort.
I do have a tonnn of loose grain on the CXL, Wolverine doesn't seem to inspect too closely when selecting their leathers. A lot of people have great 1Ks, I got one of the not-so-great ones.
Alden is certainly a step up from Red Wing, I love the comfort of my Indys and the leather is super supple. The Innsbruck Indys are the 403s, right? Chromexcel? Did you check out my review, let me know what you think! ua-cam.com/video/KgSRBDjFKIQ/v-deo.html
Stridewise 1K’s from my experience and from reading forums are hit and miss when it comes to loose grain. You’ll be able to catch the loose grain when you get the boots or notice them at a store.
Yep, that's the problem with online shopping!
@@MarcP5267 yeah my 1k's have creased really nicely. Have had them for about 6 months now
Red wing. Minnesota boy here, so may be biased.
Haha glad you're a fan, Keith.
Own both of Red Wing IR and Wolverine 1k. Gotta go with the Red Wing. Tough as hell to break in but worth it.
I’ve been happy with Red Wing, bought a new pair of RedWing DynaForce work boots today. My first pair of Red Wings lasted since I was about 16, I’m 20 now. Was happy to go spend my money with them again. Made in USA and good quality. Plus the purchasing experience is great in a Red Wing store, the clerks are friendly to deal with.
I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I've just watched three of your videos and yes, I really enjoyed these boot reviews :D
I'm going for a Red Wing Harvester now.
I'm with the boot that has the shank.
Why would you say you like a boot with the heel that is breaking down with a higher price?
How does the 1000 mile and the RedWing Blacksmith compare? They seem much more similar.
1000 miles look way more classic and are 1000 time more comfortable and versatile you just can’t go wrong with wolverines
They do look more classic and uncomplicated that's true, plus the leather sole is more comfy to a lot of people.
KavaKavana other than they are already starting to fall apart LOL
Excellent comparison, thanks for sharing.
Thank you for commenting Alex!
So it sounds like you are saying you would get the same size in both boots. I have 9 in my Iron Rangers... I should get 9 in 1000 mile? Is one feel larger than the other? Would you have went with a different size after you wore them for awhile because of stretching?
Thank you!
No they're both the same size for me. Not everyone has the same experience (some go a whole size down in IRs) but they're both 11 for me!
@@Stridewise Yes, I had to go down a full size in my Iron Rangers. I wanted to order 1000 miles on line but wasn't sure If I should order the same size as my IR but it sounds like they run the same.
Are your Iron Rangers still in top condition? How long can they last if I wear them 2 times a week from October till April and take care of them?
Two times a week for 6-ish months? Many many years. Like, probably ten with a resole or two.
@@Stridewise This is just out of this world! Are they so tough?
The quality of RW leather is phenomenal. I have a pair of Red Wing Round Toes (#8196''s), after 6 years i had RW replace the original crepe sole with a Vibram full-lug. With some TLC, leather conditioner and new laces, they look like brand-new boots.
Comparing stitches. You mention triple vs quadruple but what weight of stitch is used (eg. 69, etc) and what is the stitch material (eg. bonded nylon, etc)...? Thanks, I love your videos.
I've owned a pair of Iron Rangers for almost a year and I love them. Mine has the full Vibram soles and is very comfortable for a maximum of 8-10 hours of being my feet, any longer it's going to be a problem. Sizing wise I am normally an 11, and bought a 10 1/2 and they are now perfect for wearing with thicker socks this coming winter (I tried it with the thick socks last week).
This was a great review of the two boots, during my research I was also considering the Wolverines, and am glad I opted for the Red Wings IR.
Sounds like you're not alone in this comment section, Versiliio! Red Wing's definitely the winner IMO. Thanks for commenting!
Would you say that if I try wolverine shoes and they fit that the Red Wings would fit also?
I live in Iceland and I can only try out Wolverine shoes but I really would rather have Red wings...
Love the reviews. Ended up going with the iron rangers and I love them. I keep laughing at how dark your iron rangers are in the reviews. Thanks again for the awesome work.
Yea I see so many peoples iron rangers almost black on a lot of reviews. I use the red wing boot creme and they still look light and amazing!
what color is the iron ranger in the video? Is it after applied oil or before?
This is Amber Harness after using Obenauf's leather protector for about a year. I probably should have used Venetian Shoe Cream or mink oil, that would have done a better job of retaining the original color!
Would the inside of the Foot bed still mold to your foot if you add aftermarket insoles for arch issues?
Team wolverine. Tried on both, and the red wings felt like pure torture. I used the balm Wolverine sells for the 1000 miles before putting them through hard wear. Not experiencing as much creasing as you are. I’d recommend reaching out to wolverine, because that heel should definitely not do that through normal wear.
Yeah, like I said in the video the Wolverine is definitely easier to wear in and has better shock absorption on the heel. Not saying every Wolverine shoe is poor quality, I'm saying their quality *control* isn't great - I shouldn't have gotten a pair like this.
How do the warranties compare? Will wolverine repair the heel?
Alex Todd Not unless you buy from an authorized dealer.
Ive been wearing my 1000 miles for going on 5 years. Of course ive been on and off throughout the years, but theyre going strong. One of the first thing i did was install a rubber front sole so that may have saved my leather sole. The sole reason for this is so that i can wear them when it rains without worrying about leather soles getting soaked with water.
As i see it, i see these two boots totally different with different buyers. Wolverines are more dressy occasion boots, while redwings are work boots-hence why construction of the boots are different. There are quiet few occasions where i wore my 1000 miles to fancy restaurants with casual sports jacket where i cant even imagine doing the same in iron ranger.
i have some insulated Red Wing work boots for winter in New England and they are the bomb! My feet have never gotten wet or cold in them and they r still in great shape after 3 years of shoveling and such in them.
Are those the Ice Cutters?
What color iron ranger is that?
I first bought Wolverine 1k and the heel fell off after just 3 days.
I then bought the Red Wing IR and immediately the quality of the leather was noticeable.
its been more than 2 years now and the IR still looking good.
And btw, who buys a working style boot and use it as a dress boot'?
People who can only afford one pair of $300+ boots, they might want something versatile. If that's the motivation, Wolverine might be a better bet.
I really agree with your thoughts on these boots. The wolverine 1000 boots were a bit disappointing to me due to the extreme creasing of the leather. I have a pair of iron rangers and they’re okay. I was truly blown away by the quality of Helm Boots. I highly recommend their brand as I’ve found their chromexcel leather to be of better quality. They look fantastic!
I'm trying out Helm boots soon! Thanks for the recommendation, Everet.
Which is better? Answer: Timberlands! With both Palladiums and Doc Martins being a close second.
This is a joke right? You named 3 of the well-known bottom tier boots. Stridewise has done comparisons on Doc Marten's and Timb's though, since those are in their own low tier of quality.
Find the redwings on sale or buy used, and get some good insoles and bam, youve got some extremely comfortable boots
Love your videos! Keep making more! Never been a sneaker guy. Always wore boots
So glad you've been enjoying them!
Pro tip: When buying Redwings, DON'T buy a half size down if comfort is a consideration. Buy your regular size and invest in a quality pair of in-soles. I recommend Superfeet orthotic insoles (orange or green depending on your arch). They're fairly pricey but are amazing. I spent years in army boots, where I learned the value of insoles. Wearing boots without them is just plain masochistic.
I'm an electrician and I had no idea guys would want to nor did they wear work boots as an everyday or fashion shoe. Fascinating.
Haha electricians are ahead of the fashion curve, Ben!
Super helpful video! Thanks dude.
Thanks for the feedback, Jeffery!
You need to evaluate Knapp shoes & Boots of Brockton Mass.
I've got the redwing postman chukkas, and they have the creases like the 1,000 mile, guessing that they use similar leather. I like the fact that I can spit shine my postman.... It's a great boot/shoe for standing and walking.
You want your boots to be good at standing and walking, Michael! Use shoe trees to minimize creasing.
Always use shoe trees when not in use! Cheap investment!
The heel cap on my 1000 mile broke down really quick and became unwearable. So I had to take them to cobbler and they added a plastic heel cap under the leather and now their wearable but are really hard on my heel. My iron ranger have been super comfortable after the first 3-4 wears
Yeah 1000 Miles aren't great. So glad your IRs worked out for you, Josh!
its a bummer that your CXL has lot of loose grain, else it would have been a beautiful looking boot. While creasing gives leather character, loose grain can be extremely ugly. Oh and a very objective review. Keep going man.
Thanks! Yeah a bummer about that CXL, it certainly *can* be a great leather (see also: Viberg) but I got unlucky with these 1ks.
I have the redwing roughneck for 7 years and they are just beautiful... Very little wear to the vibram sole. They should last another 7 years.
Red Wings are classics, Steven!
One key thing that sold me on my Redwing Iron Rangers, is their redwing satellite stores all over the country. I get free personal service for oiling them and free shoe laces. Also after about 2 weeks or so of breaking in and another month of breaking them in they are a joy to wear. Not to mention gorgeous looking.
Great video. Like you I am lucky enough to own both. Can I also throw another pair into the mix? How about LL Bean Katahadin boots? I have a pair of them too and really rate them. I could not pick between the boots as each has days when one is best but they change around! Solution was bigger boot storage!
Ohh dude I just got a pair of LL Bean Hawthorne boots! I can't get Katahadin right after Hawthorne! Maybe down the track :)
Stridewise you owe it to yourself! You deserve the boots! Funny thing is Hawthornes next on my radar! I look on them as an investment? They will last a lifetime, make you happy every time you wear them. Look good and never let you down- what can be wrong with that?
Ugh look at those boots I just Googled them and it would have made way more sense to get them. But the Hawthornes are more popular so my video on them will get more views, so it makes more sense to use them!
I did some research before I bought my first pair of boots and most people who owned both preferred the Redwings. I ended up importing a pair of 8112's from Sweden because I loved the color as Redwing doesn't sell them here in USA even though they are a American made boot.
Ooh la la, I just looked them up, that's a great looking boot. I'm jealous!
I keep seeing custom wolverine 1ks all over IG but cant seem to find how to do so on their Website. I'd say the customizable factor puts them quite a bit ahead of Redwings. I own three pairs of Iron Ranger and love them, but I would love to use different leathers on toe box and heel counter etc...
That's a really good point! Perhaps I should have mentioned that.
do you use boot trees on your wolverines?
Redwing by far. I have had my chance with both and redwing by far holds up better waterproof wise and comfort.
I feel the same way, Daniel! Thanks for your comment. I wonder what they're like with the new Vibram soles.
Stridewise Idk but I will most definitely have to try them. I'm in need of some new boots now so those may be my next purchase as I tried the Carolina logger boots BIG WASTE OF MONEY THERE LOL.
I used to work for Red Wing and they will replace the soles on your boots for as long as you own them.If you don't want hooks at the top of your boots, they replace the hooks with eyelets in minutes.Tried & True, Red Wings are for me and you!
Haha! How much is a resole? Do they pay for shipping to the factory?
if i wear 7UK 8US of 1460 Dr marten which size i should buy for 1000mile thx there s no shop in my country now
I've got some Dr Martens in the mail, I'll let you know.
I had a pair of 1000 Miles. I still have the Iron Rangers I bought at about the same time.
I think I’m going to send them to Potter and Sons for a combo leather/rubber sole.
What denim you wear on the video and what fits? Please enlighten me
Levi's slim straight. I think 513
What size do you wear in each and how does their fit compare?
I wear the same size in both, size 11. Relatively similar as far as fit goes, Wolverine had no real break in though and the rubber heel meant the shock absorption is a bit better. Arch support a little better in Red Wing.
Hi, I have a question, what is the brand and model of these boots on the lower bottom right of your intro screen which is at timeline 0:02 Thank you!
I got my Iron Rangers for $160 new (factory firsts) on Amazon. It seems like Red Wings don't drop so low on Amazon anymore though. Last year it happened all the time!
Man, that's quite a find. What color?
Oxblood! Might be my favorite color, too (although they're all really nice). Ironically, the most expensive Red Wings I've ever gotten were $190 factory seconds (Rancher Chelsea). Everything else has been $100-180 factory firsts, bargain hunted! (mostly amazon) But I think those days are over, which is good. I have enough!
My Iron Rangers are actually factory seconds too, they had a tiny nick on one of the boots which knocked a hundred bucks off the price, I was pretty happy with how it went down :) Nice work on the oxblood, I just cannot pull the trigger on slightly red shoes I always think I won't be able to pull them off with enough outfits. Glad you like em though Jesse, I'll add your review to the ongoing "pros vs cons' columns in my head haha :)
Yeah!! I love oxblood!! (I guess originally it was called "merlot," and it's more of a maroon? burgundy? the "black cherry" Beckmans are definitely even more burgundy tho) I really find that it matches just about anything. I wear it with black a lot, because I don't necessarily like to wear black or brown shoes with black pants! They're definitely different than having red shoes. Even my oro russet portage are red enough that I have a hard time. Not a problem with the oxblood rangers tho. It helps that I just plain love the color. If you don't just plain love it, no sense trying to get used to it, but I really find it works with so much!
Hmm, real food for thought, Jesse! I can definitely see them working with plainer outfits, I just feel funny about wearing unusual shoes with even a patterned shirt, but I'm a pretty boring dresser haha!
Thanks for this! I've own the Iron Ranger since Feb and ordered the Wolverine last week. I'm hoping the Wolverines fit a little better. My Iron Rangers are still crazy uncomfortable after tons of break in. My Beckmans on the other hand are like walking on clouds.
Oh that's such a shame the IRs are still uncomfortable. A lot of people I know like to rub lanolin around the inside of the boot to soften it up, consider trying that out. If still no good, a cobbler might be able to add some lining to help you out. The Wolverines, in any case, broke in a lot more easily for me so hopefully you have that to look forward to.
I have both and both are really comfortable. I'd say the Iron Rangers have the edge though. We all have different shaped feet so they will feel different on different people.
my issue is the insole. The hard foot bed becoming tiring after a while. They fit is spot not though, which leaves no room for a after market one. I guess I could size up but that might leave too much in the length.
Are the same size in both? I'm a 9EE in IR's but Wolverine doesn't make EE's only EEE's, so I had to order a 9EEE. Hopefully it fits ok. The IR's do fit like a glove. Just tiring after a few hours of walking around.
That's true, I just reviewed the Jack Erwin Chester and I lent them to a few people who have my exact shoe size. Half found it too narrow, half didn't. Lasts can be confusing
Iron ranger best than any other love at first sight dude!
Where did you confirm that the 1k use a leather insole? It was my understanding that the insole was composed of leatherboard
I called them up! Possible the person I spoke to didn't know the difference :/
Iorn Ranger all day. Compared across most heritage boot brands Red Wings are not #1 for comfort but in my opinion if your paying hundreds of dollars I want my boot to age very well and handle anything that comes at it. A boot is supposed to be footwear your not worried about if things go south and you find yourself in the rain, snow, or a dirt road. Not saying I would take either on a trek through a mountainside but I want to know they could do it.
They are both amazing. I prefer the looks and comfort of Wolverines, i don't mind the creases but i also love and appreciate the better durability and lower price of Red Wings.
I don't think you can go wrong with either one of these.
Yeah they're both terrific boots Mickey!
How do they compare with Thursdays "Captains" they are currently going for $200. One wonders if it's worth saving the hundred and so dollars. I bet someone can answer this in comments for me.
I've had a pair of Wolverines for just a little over 1 month. One month guys. They're falling apart. Stitching coming out and soles starting to separate. Junk
Your comment reminded me of stubble burning in my younger days.
Working with the ground smoldering underfoot, leather soles were a must. One of the guys bought a new pair of boots for the job and the soles parted company with the uppers after 15 minutes. The leather was fine, but the nylon stitching holding them to the uppers had melted. Unfortunately I cant remember who made the boots.
A similar thing happened to a guys jeans a few years later when we were stomping the fire down at the end of the day. Again nylon stitching melted and the inside leg seams disintegrated almost up to the knee.
Call wolverine I've done and they replaced them quickly very surprised but sent me new boots just need pic and receipt good customer service
That's too bad. I have a pair of 1000 kilometers (1000 miles little brother) and have worn them every day for a year with no issues.
My thoughts. I think it is the Iron Ranger that is the boot that does not know it's role. Let me state that I have (had) many pairs of each brand over the years, I have had success with both. Second - if your Wolverine boots are not living up to the game, send it back - unless they were a product gift, that is money out of pocket and any reputable boot maker will address it. Next - I bought the 1000 mile (Evans for more traction) because I wanted a comfortable boot that could go between the office and the field. I often times find myself needing a boot than can cover both needs. The Evans (1000 mile) has been brilliant at that task (and no I do not have all the leather issue you speak about).
The Iron Ranger on the other hand does not play both rolls, it looks too burly to play in the office, and it is not anything close to something I would put on for a 14 hour day in the work place. For that sort of thing I would use 8138 if I have a full day of concrete (which I own), or the 8146 if I need something that crips the life out of every surface touches (which I own), and if I have a day of muck, rain, and elements they all stay in the closet and I roll with something that has Gore-Tex in the boot. The Iron Ranger has not enough traction, or support to be a world class work boot, and nowhere near the style to be something you can dress up when required. The Iron Ranger may be a well made boot from a respectable boot maker; in the end it is nothing more than a casual boot for beer trips, grocery outings, and trips to the park with your kids. I am not saying that a life long lasting boot is not the right choice for that, and think that more Americans should purchase this boot for that rather than poorly made sports shoes made by crying children if far away lands, I am just saying that it in my opinion it fails to meet to opinions of the creator of this video, and if you are looking for a multi-purpose boot, or a proper work boot this review may have some issues you want to address before making your purchase.
Thoughts on the Wolverine 1000 mile Adrian Cap toe version?
I haven't worn them but from the look of them I have trouble reconciling the cap toe with the blockiness of the rest of the boot
They both suck unless u enjoy music where everyone shouts hey at the same time, or play spoons in a band
This might be my favorite comment I've ever received.
How could you be so heartless?
winthrop racette chill your bones i just love joking around also i've worn both boots and they stuck if ur gonna be working on a jobsite 8hrs
Tpjuvi Philly
HA! That's great!
Thank you for the laugh.
Tpjuvi Philly it was funny man. That may be one of my single favorite comments on UA-cam haha
I own both and I always going to choose 1000 mile wolverine. Out of the box they are comfortable, the leather feel good like wearing a good baseball glove. Not to say Redwing isn't good, but I went to 4 to 5 month trying to break those boots in, I had to buy redwing wooden boots spreader to help be expand the Redwing Ranger boot, which was an extra $70. SO that's something you have to keep in mind, it take time to break them in and if you anything like me that works in the office you have to bring an extra pair of shoe with you because the breaking in process is harsh.
Great review, both are on my list, bit nervous about the robustness of the 1000 leather sole. Subb'd!
Hey thanks! More than anything the leather sole is just ugly haha, if you like the no toecap look Red Wing has Beckmans which are super similar
leather sole ugly?? did yall not EVER wear coyboy boots? How long has the leather sole been used throughout history? I am curious as to how long that vibram lug will last. Every pair of Vibram soled shoes and boots I have ever had has DRY-ROTTED and crumbled. Did you follow the manufacturers guide for care on both boots? My Iron Rangers are 5 years old and they dont look like I dipped them in burnt motor oil.
cowboy boots.
There was nothing in this video that makes me think that I should choose the 1000 mile over the Iron Ranger, and I think that's why it will be my next boot purchase.
How can we prevent the curling at the ends of our boots?
Shoe trees! I confess I hadn't been using them much here but you can see in later videos I've fixed it. More info: www.stridewise.com/shoe-trees
Thanks.
Really well done comparison, thanks. I must say the quality issues on the Wolverines you've highlighted are pretty disturbing and really keep me from buying a pair of Wolverines.
Where in Australia can I buy these?
Not sure my man! I'm broadcasting from NYC.
Looking to buy my first pair of boots and your videos are literally what I'm looking for so thank you! Any chance you have any Meermin boots to review?
That's so funny you asked, I'm wearing Meermin boots right now! They're the popular Chestnut Country Calf, I just put them on a few minutes ago. The review will be up here in a few weeks. It's a pretty scaly leather and I'm looking forward to wearing them at a wedding this weekend - they're quite dressy and you can't wear them with a t-shirt, even flannel would be a bit weird. Keep an eye out for the video!
Too good!
i had wolverine work boots and the heels peeled off.
went to redwings and never looked back.
I am an old iron worker. When you are walking around, 400 feet in the air , on steel four inches wide, you need to be able to feel what you are stepping on, and you need to have the stability and ankle support to instantly shift your weight. Red Wing gives you both. When your life depends on your feet, always Red Wing. No competition, not even a question. Red Wing
That's so interesting because I would have thought the one advantage Wolverine might have over Red Wing is that the thinner leather sole would provide better groundfeel. You think the cork is just as good, David?
I wear flip flops when I'm 85 story's up walking across an ibeam...no saftey harness either