What Is Happening to Tekken!?

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  • @Arassar
    @Arassar Місяць тому +2873

    Selling "battle passes" that EXPIRE is just garbage. Making people play your game with FOMO is some real phone-gacha-game-tier stuff.

    • @Drakevid
      @Drakevid Місяць тому +242

      Completely agree, we should not give Tekken the wrong response and accept this bs. This is bad.

    • @WarMomPT
      @WarMomPT Місяць тому +108

      I don't disagree, but putting the emphasis on 'expire' makes it sound like this is out of the ordinary? Expiring, temporary BPs are pretty much what BPs normally are, sadly. The ability to go back to and progress older seasons of BPs - removing the FOMO - is relatively new and I really hope they become the standard (well, assuming the alternative is 'no BPs at all', which would be nicer).
      The real kick in the teeth for me is that seemingly ALL of them are based around daily / weekly challenges. Instead of a BP just rewarding you for playing the game, you end up playing around the pass rather than playing the game as you normally would.

    • @Ram2rol
      @Ram2rol Місяць тому +34

      I'm not spending any money on coins before they stop these greedy practices. Let me buy 600 coins without having to buy 1000 coins...

    • @leithaziz2716
      @leithaziz2716 Місяць тому +97

      Meanwhile, Deep Rock Galactic uses a free Battlepass and all its content gets cycled back into the main game.

    • @thingols_
      @thingols_ Місяць тому

      ​@@leithaziz2716 For Rock and Stone!

  • @Lucksual
    @Lucksual Місяць тому +236

    This is ignoring the biggest issues with the battle pass. It’s a $70 game, with a cash shop, a battle pass, AND you still need to pay for new characters. They are quadruple dipping in a non F2P game.

    • @SquashMelendez
      @SquashMelendez Місяць тому +2

      No they aren’t lol. You don’t need any of the cosmetics so why spend the extra money?

    • @maximumdeejay
      @maximumdeejay Місяць тому +73

      ​@@SquashMelendez If I spent $70 on this I should get every artwork in the game, they didn't do this in t7.

    • @Alex_Barbosa
      @Alex_Barbosa Місяць тому +35

      ​@SquashMelendez yes they are. What you said makes no sense.

    • @ed61730
      @ed61730 Місяць тому +1

      They still gave you the full game with story mode etc. Like Tekken 7 you would have still needed to buy each character on their own after launch. Its such a hard one... do we want f2p games where we pay for everything piece meal? Or get most of the content up front and PAY for the additional live service of YEARS of content.

    • @Lucksual
      @Lucksual Місяць тому

      @@ed61730 I get that they need to have monetization methods to keep the game going for years, but the problem is how many different ways they're trying to squeeze money out of ppl. If you're going to have a cash shop AND a battle pass, make future characters and stages free.

  • @Edmitsu
    @Edmitsu Місяць тому +1435

    $70 games have no business having these things.

    • @Arcade_King
      @Arcade_King Місяць тому +61

      PREACH

    • @philharrison2991
      @philharrison2991 Місяць тому +11

      Maybe you're just too poor.

    • @sebastianhermosillo828
      @sebastianhermosillo828 Місяць тому +1

      @philharrison2991 you’re part of the problem mf. Also you look like you’re not allowed to be near school zones

    • @SirVolt
      @SirVolt Місяць тому +263

      ​@@philharrison2991 maybe we Just don't want to get fucked over. If i buy a car full price i don't want to buy parts of its engine later so that It can now start to work

    • @philharrison2991
      @philharrison2991 Місяць тому +6

      @SirVolt a car isn't a video game. It's an automobile.

  • @alextheshrimp.
    @alextheshrimp. Місяць тому +1317

    I don’t think he ever noted that the level 52 PREMIUM BATTLE PASS REWARD is a FUCKING untextured GREY ASSET BALL.

    • @Evilriku13
      @Evilriku13 Місяць тому +67

      and it's a great meme!

    • @SavianX
      @SavianX Місяць тому +176

      @@Evilriku13 95% chance that ball becomes a beloved icon like three years from now

    • @godofpharts
      @godofpharts Місяць тому +85

      ​@@SavianXits literally a stock blender asset

    • @blueisacolor7639
      @blueisacolor7639 Місяць тому +15

      Thought the way he felt was self explanatory with his overall take of the pass. Over reacting over something insignificant to the overall point isn't necessary to everyone. Max seems to be one of the only people that can actually put together well thought out points and helpful critique and concerns without snowflaking out most of the time.

    • @JustSendMeLocation
      @JustSendMeLocation Місяць тому +73

      @@blueisacolor7639what are you talking about literally everyone is calling out this Tekken 8 nonsense

  • @goby1764
    @goby1764 Місяць тому +574

    Remember the people that said $70 price tags would stop this sort of predatory behavior?

    • @nerooyeye2196
      @nerooyeye2196 Місяць тому +33

      I don't know if it's just me, but I don't remember many people saying that

    • @goby1764
      @goby1764 Місяць тому +99

      @@nerooyeye2196 it was a common argument point for $70 dollar games. The obvious component is that they're just gonna take the price increase and the predatory practices

    • @nerooyeye2196
      @nerooyeye2196 Місяць тому +2

      @goby1764 well, that actually makes sense. I guess just wasn't really tuned into the gaming community at the time. Also, I know that Namco made us pay for frame data, but I never really expected tekken to go down this road

    • @goby1764
      @goby1764 Місяць тому +9

      @@nerooyeye2196 Yeah, in particular I expected bandai to still be with the slimy practices.

    • @nerooyeye2196
      @nerooyeye2196 Місяць тому

      @@goby1764 it quite unfortunate

  • @dahb00gst3r6
    @dahb00gst3r6 Місяць тому +131

    They got rid of treasure battle just to make you pay for it through a battle pass, that's fucking pathetic.

    • @Itachigan22
      @Itachigan22 21 день тому +9

      Which sucks because I really like that mode. Fighting to get acessories with the chance to get rarer items after a few wins is such a fun idea to get people into playing the game and getting better as the cpu's get harder.

    • @krodmandoon3479
      @krodmandoon3479 16 днів тому +4

      ​@@Itachigan22Yup, it was great and my most played mode when I wasn't in the mood for ranked. And now it's gone with nothing to replace it.

    • @Walking-MY-Path
      @Walking-MY-Path 13 днів тому +1

      Yeah wtf that shit should be free like previous Tekken games did 🤦‍♂️

  • @parrisxsummers
    @parrisxsummers Місяць тому +166

    They hid all of this from the consumers so the reviews would be good. Then they sold soooo many copies and great reviews, they can drop this on us. It was surreptitious and grubby.

    • @M_CFV
      @M_CFV Місяць тому +2

      same thing happened with SF6 too unfortunately

    • @mastershake1071
      @mastershake1071 Місяць тому +7

      I'm pretty sure the EU has laws against this kind of thing

    • @xNachtmahRx
      @xNachtmahRx 29 днів тому +9

      Yup, we could file a mass lawsuit here in the EU. It's customer deception. You can't hide such mtx until purchase, you have to be honest and upfront if your mtx are ready to go but withheld until after launch to prevent negative criticisms and drama

    • @okagron
      @okagron 29 днів тому +1

      This is what companies do when they want the first month sales and the critical acclaim but also that extra money. Activision did the same shit with the remake of Crash Team Racing, they added a bunch of microtransactions and made it so you get much less currency for unlocking stuff well after the game got great reviews and sold well.

    • @meat7490
      @meat7490 22 дні тому +4

      Man the big 3 had everything… and they decided to flick the switch

  • @TheFightConnoisseur
    @TheFightConnoisseur Місяць тому +113

    The problem isn’t even necessarily having a battlepass. It’s having a full price $70 game and jamming a crappy battlepass every other month that expires. You don’t have to buy it but it feels like a spit in the face when majority of players would happily pay money for actually good content/costumes but they chose to jam cheap thoughtless items that they can pump out for next to nothing and try to FOMO people into buying it

    • @wexorin
      @wexorin Місяць тому +15

      @@Firewynn_TV wrong but u are half correct. you got the online unlock code when you bought the game. this was so that if u sell your physical copy the buyer would have to buy the online portion. this was during the time when companies wanted to stop people from buying second hand games. Now most people buy digital so i guess they got their way in the end.

    • @kylespevak6781
      @kylespevak6781 Місяць тому +1

      You don't like the pass, don't buy it. You happily bought the game for $70, and you said you'd happily buy the costumes on the shop. You're not forced to buy the pass

    • @kylespevak6781
      @kylespevak6781 Місяць тому

      ​@@Firewynn_TVTag 2 on Wii U had online, all DLC, extra Nintendo modes and costumes, so...

    • @rheawelsh4142
      @rheawelsh4142 Місяць тому

      ​@@kylespevak6781I don't play games with battlepasses, so give me the fucking option to not buy it in the first place shill

    • @shinzero0271
      @shinzero0271 29 днів тому

      @@Firewynn_TVCame with my game at launch. Though I think Gamestop's policies had a high chance of that happening because they'd sell opened copies of the game as 'new' since they were either display copies or copies the employees tested/'borrowed' and kept sealed behind a desk. I've been to Gamestops where they purposely sold the 'display' copy first and just opened an unsealed copy afterwards to repeat the process since they never really got big shipments of games past the initial launch and whatever covered preorders.

  • @Despots_Blitz86
    @Despots_Blitz86 Місяць тому +1108

    Love how the thumbnail looks like Eddy harshly judging the battle pass with Max being like "but hear me out"...

    • @diablojim
      @diablojim Місяць тому +15

      For real XD

    • @furrywarrior7642
      @furrywarrior7642 Місяць тому +24

      Let's hear em out 😂

    • @Loz1719
      @Loz1719 Місяць тому +22

      You won the comment section for today

    • @Angelhernandez-ei3yv
      @Angelhernandez-ei3yv Місяць тому +17

      Not gonna lie I feel like they are adding a battle pass to everything honestly

    • @nehemiahpouncey3607
      @nehemiahpouncey3607 Місяць тому +5

      WTF is wrong with Eddy on the
      Thumbnail?😂

  • @Guirko
    @Guirko Місяць тому +736

    Bro... they give you new eye colors in the battle pass? The lack of eye color options was one of my biggest complaints... Guess we know why they were missing now 😒

    • @liljon042
      @liljon042 Місяць тому +44

      It's not even a good eye option. It uses the zaibatsu icon as the eye and it's red. I wish we just got color options for it

    • @sefflikejeff1917
      @sefflikejeff1917 Місяць тому +152

      People love to pull the "if you dont wanna buy it, just ignore it, who cares" card
      But intentionally limiting character creator options just to charge money for them later is SCUMMY.
      That scummy business decision negatively impacts the game itself, even if you choose to ignore it

    • @mrdoctortonberry
      @mrdoctortonberry Місяць тому +34

      I imagine its not just eyes, but the makeup options too. Why have seperate lip color options and not just a single option to change color on a color wheel? Its all gonna be fight pass BS

    • @Iwatoda_Dorm
      @Iwatoda_Dorm Місяць тому +1

      @@sefflikejeff1917 I get it, but it’s just business to have things set up where you have the models made, it took some time and effort to get it made and now you can ship it every 2-4 months while working on balance patches, fixing bugs, creating characters while drip feeding people content who want it or don’t.
      But i’d only legitimately feel this way if it was instead handed out through a rewards system already in-game rather than a pay wall :/

    • @majorlazor5058
      @majorlazor5058 Місяць тому +9

      I’m not spending money on my avatar..😂😂😂

  • @gakuyax
    @gakuyax Місяць тому +380

    I want a Helldiver 2 type of battlepass. Permanent battle pass where i can take a break and enjoy life for a bit and come back to unlock them later.

    • @HowIin
      @HowIin Місяць тому +81

      Crazy that they're not even offering things as good as HD2 does when HD2 is a $40 game and you can earn all the premium stuff just by playing relatively easy. $70 just to get bent with a ton of micro-transactions is horrible

    • @Sammysapphira
      @Sammysapphira Місяць тому +4

      @@HowIin It's hilarious that you're comparing cosmetics to a battlepass that actually gives you gameplay advantages.

    • @winterbourne2343
      @winterbourne2343 Місяць тому

      @@Sammysapphirasay you haven’t played Helldivers 2 without saying it. You dumb as fuck if you think it’s pay to win when the weapons are side grades and not better then the rest and also are permanently there to grind, no fomo

    • @flashtheshapeshafter
      @flashtheshapeshafter Місяць тому +27

      Even Halo infinite lets the battle pass stick around, you still got to pay for it but you can just go back to it whenever

    • @DBTHEPLUG
      @DBTHEPLUG Місяць тому +6

      I've only played for 2 days and am already 25% on the pass. It's not that deep. If I would play for 6 hours a day for maybe 2 days would clear it easily. If you play 2 hours every 3 days you should be able to clear it easily. And otherwise don't buy the battle pass.

  • @sunkistwaves
    @sunkistwaves Місяць тому +166

    I’m starting to notice how last generation, these games had rough launches but good post-launch content. So far these games are looking have great launches but rough post-launch content. What is happening?

    • @DBTHEPLUG
      @DBTHEPLUG Місяць тому +31

      I rather give my opinion on that after 7 years. This TikTok generation likes to give their entire perspective on things 2 months after something that's supposed to be there for the next 10 years released...

    • @jeremyroberts8822
      @jeremyroberts8822 Місяць тому +16

      @@DBTHEPLUGI think that’s a pretty good stance to take generally. Peoples opinions shift so fast these days it’s nuts. I don’t think our brains are really capable of handling all the stimulation we’re receiving these days if that makes sense. For most of human history so much of what is relevant now didn’t exist so we haven’t adapted to it yet

    • @phantoan522
      @phantoan522 Місяць тому +28

      ​@@DBTHEPLUGI'll be waiting with ya, after 7 years they gonna be like: Oh man, Tekken 9 sucks, Tekken 8 is so much better,... like clockwork.

    • @DBTHEPLUG
      @DBTHEPLUG Місяць тому +3

      @@phantoan522 Right.

    • @kachosuffer7
      @kachosuffer7 Місяць тому +4

      ​@@DBTHEPLUGIt's been MORE than 7 years though. Where have you been? Modern gaming has been adding more battle passes and DLC at launch but way less content.

  • @iiequinox8044
    @iiequinox8044 Місяць тому +311

    Fighting games simply aren't built to have a battlepass. Fighting Game teams would need to invest heavily into having multiple different costumes for every character to really ever make them worth buying like ones in Fortnite.
    But even then, I don't see anyone purchasing these when the title was already 70 dollars with MORE DLC to follow.

    • @journie3042
      @journie3042 Місяць тому +13

      Honestly SEGA can fix that with a new Virtua Fighter if it's free but given free online and few selected characters but single player and modes are paid except for arcade, 2p vs and training mode

    • @shinanimedubs1269
      @shinanimedubs1269 Місяць тому +16

      what's crazy is.... if they were giving you a battle pass full of new costumes... I would bet more people would buy it and they would make money, but these companies are run by greedy corporate robots who want to operate on as little cost as possible

    • @lesbonsamis8171
      @lesbonsamis8171 Місяць тому +9

      @@journie3042 Sega … it’s them who made people pay for a game+ on Yakuza ?😂

    • @journie3042
      @journie3042 Місяць тому +1

      @@lesbonsamis8171 it is scummy but if VF is free then it wouldn't be a problem

    • @lucastonoli3256
      @lucastonoli3256 Місяць тому

      @@journie3042 SEGA won't fix shit, are you even paying attention to what they are doing? They will monetize twice as hard.
      Truth is, as long as it sells, it won't get fixed by any big company.

  • @SirLightsOut99
    @SirLightsOut99 Місяць тому +682

    I think this is going to lead Tekken down the same road that street fighter went down. Both games really, desperately want you to care about the avatar stuff. They want to sell you that gimmick so badly. The problem is that in leaning so far into it as a form of monetization they just kind of make us not like it and it drives us back towards the main part of the game. I can’t count the times where I’ve seen that the Street fighter social media pages have put up a new post only to find out that it’s yet again a notice about gear for a part of the game that a lot of people haven’t thought about in months unless it’s to directly criticize it for being so greedy. I can't imagine Tekken will be any different.

    • @joedatius
      @joedatius Місяць тому +86

      in some fairness people actually use the battle hub and i see people fight with their avatars constantly. T8 on the otherhand... uh they just walk around i guess. I would like to say nobody cares about SF6 avatars but for better or worse there is clearly an audience there.

    • @Original_Katros
      @Original_Katros Місяць тому +34

      They want people to use avatars so badly and yet they messed up the freaking system because you can't even have multiple special moves with the same input (for example - I can't use Hadouken and Quadriga simultaneously because they're both quarter circle forward inputs, even though one uses punch and the other, kick) because of the modern controls.

    • @Vespyr_
      @Vespyr_ Місяць тому +16

      I don't even go into the Lounge at all anynore. I couldn't care less about avatars in this game.

    • @ProxyDoug
      @ProxyDoug Місяць тому +49

      The problem is that SF6 has custom player characters, while T8 are XBox Live avatars, no one cares about that shit.

    • @joedatius
      @joedatius Місяць тому +16

      @@Original_Katros yeh that is weird but id be lying if i said it ruined the entire system since i constantly see people with cray unique combos and weird shit. hard to be too mad at it when no other game in the whole genre even tried to do anything like it.

  • @flashtheshapeshafter
    @flashtheshapeshafter Місяць тому +35

    This game is already $70 with a season's pass, there was no reason to randomly Shadow drop a battle pass without telling anyone!

  • @js-ro5jk
    @js-ro5jk Місяць тому +12

    $70 game with a battle pass sums up everything wrong with the games industry

  • @bazzfromthebackground3696
    @bazzfromthebackground3696 Місяць тому +481

    Most battlepasses don't go over well.
    The FGC went from eating to being preyed on.

    • @TheVanOvanShow
      @TheVanOvanShow Місяць тому +1

      Eating to being eaten oh no 😢

    • @arpadszabo661
      @arpadszabo661 Місяць тому +39

      Vast majority of battlepasses go over more than just fine. That’s why they still exist

    • @wood1066
      @wood1066 Місяць тому +90

      lol, the FGC has been getting preyed on for years and they just smile and take it.

    • @JojoDigitalArtist
      @JojoDigitalArtist Місяць тому +11

      @@arpadszabo661 Yeah it's mainly FGC is now having to deal with the big franchises getting one and they don't like it. It sucks to say but Battlepasses are honestly here to stay for most multiplayer online games since it's a long term way to keep earning money.

    • @buns9022
      @buns9022 Місяць тому +6

      FGC is still eating, we've just got a dish to avoid like the plague now.
      The steak is still there, with rollback netcode sauce on it and everything.

  • @andrebivinsjr.3859
    @andrebivinsjr.3859 Місяць тому +609

    This greed started with 2k other gaming companies are noticing that 2k is taxing their community and receiving no backlash due to 2k having a monopoly on simulation basketball I beg for the tekken community to stand against this we don't need another company prioritizing profit over the player experience

    • @darthronin808
      @darthronin808 Місяць тому +57

      Most gaming companies seem to only care about the money nowadays and don’t care about backlash unless it’s massive amount like the battlefront 2 EA situation. Sadly there’s also a lot of bootlickers “it only cosmetics and cheap” or whatever just sad.

    • @jacklaika1596
      @jacklaika1596 Місяць тому +36

      I'm pretty sure FIFA figured out how to nickel and dime their players on a full price game years before 2K,
      But yes they will only do this kind of thing as long as the player's let them get away with it

    • @slinkyslink5161
      @slinkyslink5161 Місяць тому +27

      The thing is, the majority of the people who play FIFA, 2K and the like, are very disconnected from the rest of the videogame industry. They are the ones who didnt know what an rpg was until skyrim came out.
      With that being the case, they were more susceptible to falling for shitty money grubbing because they werent really aware of how bad that is.
      Its like how mobile games made so much money because even grandpa who has never touched a gamepad will try Candy Crush and possibly spend money on it because he has no idea how bad that is.

    • @Nzosaba_Matenge
      @Nzosaba_Matenge Місяць тому

      ​@@darthronin808Nowadays? They just come up with new ways to get your money but nothing has changed

    • @EstebanBrenesV
      @EstebanBrenesV Місяць тому +9

      The problem with "that greed" is that is not neccesarily greed, games and some industries have been struggling on the inside, this of course doesnt justifiy some tactics but essentially the bad practices have tainted some average practices or just neutral tactics as bad, I dont think every person in the industry is greedy but also I have never met any dev swimming in money or for that fact seen that money myself and I have 8 years working on games... I feel anything other than premium 60 is getting the bad eye, but in this economy after 20 years of selling games at the same price almost, premium 60 IS NOT a sustainable model for a company even indies.
      That said sure there are execs that use this as a justification to milk the other models but instead of asking the removal of other monetization models why not ask for its regulation? People like to pretend games are not expensive or expensive to make... As well, this is a 2 sided issue

  • @mishimakazuya6167
    @mishimakazuya6167 Місяць тому +22

    You remember tekken tag tournament 2? Customization was amazing no dlc needed

    • @shinzero0271
      @shinzero0271 29 днів тому +1

      Keep in mind, Tekken Tag 2 came out in arcades more than year before the console release. It actually got an updated arcade version that added more content and then the console version came out that added even more. Console Players basically got the Tekken equivalent of Super Street Fighter 2 for their launch while the arcade already went through SF2 and SF2: Turbo.

    • @pretty-pink
      @pretty-pink 27 днів тому +2

      Right, it was fun and it only needed creativity

    • @shvy100
      @shvy100 23 дні тому +2

      it wasn't that good, however, decals? that changed everything!

    • @pablogats4627
      @pablogats4627 23 дні тому +1

      ​@@shvy100 tekken 6 had the goat customization mode for me, wish they brought it back and added the decals from tt2

    • @Walking-MY-Path
      @Walking-MY-Path 13 днів тому +1

      Tekken 6 had the best one for sure 👍

  • @vincentfalcone9218
    @vincentfalcone9218 Місяць тому +35

    I miss Tekken Tag 2.

    • @darkspyro1991
      @darkspyro1991 Місяць тому +6

      fuckload of content from get go

    • @dannyboots
      @dannyboots Місяць тому

      Tekken Tag 2: Wii U Edition

    • @thegamegatsby4483
      @thegamegatsby4483 Місяць тому +1

      Buy it physical for 5$ and play it online on your Series X

    • @hatchhyjack
      @hatchhyjack 27 днів тому

      I've missed that game so much that i bought a PS3 again

    • @pablogats4627
      @pablogats4627 23 дні тому

      I last played it around 2 years ago but my PS3 died tt2 was a wild game

  • @travismarxo2836
    @travismarxo2836 Місяць тому +71

    If my avatar could play the classic Tekken games in the arcades, I'd invest in such a feature more.

    • @jack-o-lanterns-dbdclips6995
      @jack-o-lanterns-dbdclips6995 Місяць тому +11

      I just want a stage with everyone's avatars in the background, or something that makes customization of your avatar worth it.

    • @iskalley
      @iskalley Місяць тому +18

      the fight lounge is the most pointless waste of memory on my harddrive ever

  • @AgentZombieMan
    @AgentZombieMan Місяць тому +178

    A lot of the customization pieces in the Fight Pass were in Tekken 7 by default. So they literally took them away so they could turn around and sell it instead.

    • @Mick0Mania
      @Mick0Mania Місяць тому +15

      Soul Calibur has been doing this for years, except instead of a battle pass, they sold these recycled items in DLC packs. Some items are so old that they seem to retain their shitty geometry and textures from the PS2/PS3 games they originated from. They even ripped pieces from Tekken characters and sold those in a DLC pack.

    • @TheBananaThug
      @TheBananaThug Місяць тому +3

      Thats like saying all the characters in Tekken8 are in Tekken7.
      As long as they remodeled them which I imagine they had to for a new engine and to match the game graphically, whats the issue? They made 2 assets. One for Tekken7 and one for Tekken8. It just looks the same.

    • @dustincarter9334
      @dustincarter9334 Місяць тому +18

      ​@@Mick0Mania You'd think they'd try NOT to copy their other franchise that they probably killed....

    • @DOSFrost
      @DOSFrost Місяць тому +6

      But did Tekken 7 have the white sphere!?
      I'll await your apology

    • @cloudcoastgaming
      @cloudcoastgaming Місяць тому +3

      @@Mick0Maniasoul caliber is dead tho lmao

  • @THEELEMENTKH
    @THEELEMENTKH Місяць тому +119

    BTW you need to know something: The battlepass requires online matches to level up/progress through it, so if you never play online (like I do) it's literally impossible to level up and earn anything

    • @rainierzx9677
      @rainierzx9677 Місяць тому +24

      Playing fighting games offline in present day 2024 AD is crazy, kind of a personal problem

    • @Ehhhh.h
      @Ehhhh.h Місяць тому +8

      You can fight your friend in unranked 1v1s and get it all done. I got my challenges done by accident just playing against my friends

    • @10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83
      @10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83 Місяць тому +45

      ​@@rainierzx9677sometimes lag and pluggers annoy you so much you need to get that smooth offline vibe, like being a kid and playing Tekken 5

    • @mglikeabossplaysMC
      @mglikeabossplaysMC Місяць тому

      ​​@@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83 Also if you have enough FGC friends nothing is more fun than having offline sessions. Mostly what I do in tekken these days as I don't want to grind ranked for both T8 and SF6

    • @TheReapingToast
      @TheReapingToast Місяць тому +86

      @@rainierzx9677the majority of fighting games I play are only offline with my brothers (mostly) and some friends, there is nothing wrong with offline only

  • @KingJaeTV
    @KingJaeTV Місяць тому +6

    Glad now people are speaking up about things in the game. I love Tekken but Tekken 8 is missing things.

  • @darkshat3077
    @darkshat3077 Місяць тому +257

    It finally got to max lmao

  • @simonr344
    @simonr344 Місяць тому +63

    At 11:28, we are watching a UA-cam video of Max watching a UA-cam video of PhiDX watching a UA-cam video

  • @MobDraws69
    @MobDraws69 Місяць тому +25

    The later half of the video really opened my eyes to Tekken’s complexities. The part with Lars especially made me realize that Tekken becomes more interesting because of what you can do in a 3d space.
    I’m a fairly new player. I’ve been around for the last few months of 7, and now in 8, although I enjoy it, advanced techniques both vexed and intrigued me to no end.
    With these recent changes, however, it makes the game streamlined for new players like me but removes the cool elite shit more skilled players can do. I dont want this game to play like a 2d fighter or a bs 50/50 fest like tag fighters. I want to play Tekken.

    • @omegaweapon116
      @omegaweapon116 Місяць тому

      I've been playing Tekken since Tekken 2 and this is the first one where I'm actually thinking about skipping it. It is definitely a 50/50 fest with heat. Too many safe moves in heat, heat engagers, heat cancelling, inputs are super easy....I agree. I like games where there are things that only a few people can do because they require so much skill.

    • @GS-kj5pc
      @GS-kj5pc Місяць тому

      I'm thinking of quitting, heat ruins the game

  • @deez8060
    @deez8060 Місяць тому +83

    Describing Tekken being out of its “Honey moon phase” is perfect started out so good and just came to a screeching halt

    • @Hillthugsta
      @Hillthugsta Місяць тому +2

      So 4 months is the shelf life of a honeymoon phase? Seems about right

    • @VerGiLL1
      @VerGiLL1 Місяць тому +21

      @@Hillthugsta 4 Months ? Tekken 8 has been out for like 2 months and a few days at best.

    • @Hillthugsta
      @Hillthugsta Місяць тому +11

      @@VerGiLL1 I forgot when in JAN it was released. Also forgot this month just started
      In a way. That makes it worse.

    • @unclepaul1995
      @unclepaul1995 Місяць тому +6

      And Describing Harada being our Dad giving us what We Don’t want.
      Dad: No Complaining, Son.

  • @teo9532
    @teo9532 Місяць тому +42

    That price is what really sucks the most. The fact that those like two decent items are now stuck in a overpriced temporary grind fest is annoying too but the prices aren’t even good.
    I would be spending way more money on simple cosmetic DLC in games if they were actually a fair price like before. Each Mii Costume in Smash is like $0.75 and cuz of that, I’ve spent money on tons of costumes over time.

  • @mrdoctortonberry
    @mrdoctortonberry Місяць тому +28

    Still very upset that out of all the things to lock behind a premium pass they chose character artwork. That Azucena art at tier 11 looks amazing but I refuse to spend $10 just for like 3-4 art pieces

    • @unclepaul1995
      @unclepaul1995 Місяць тому +1

      And Harada still upset about People asking Him for Shit.

    • @sunnymane
      @sunnymane Місяць тому

      I’m paying 6 for the customization parts lol.

    • @maximumdeejay
      @maximumdeejay Місяць тому +1

      ​@@unclepaul1995 "Don't ask me for ACTUAL QUALITY BATTLE PASS CONTENT"

  • @Edmitsu
    @Edmitsu Місяць тому +64

    Tekken 8 taught me buying games at launch is as bad as pre ordering.

    • @anthonybrothers744
      @anthonybrothers744 Місяць тому

      That's the stupidest fucking take I've heard today

    • @Nemcoification
      @Nemcoification Місяць тому +14

      It taught me buying games within the first two months of launch is no longer an option. Publishers will not only give incomplete copies to the reviewers now, they'll wait a month or two before they sneak this stuff in. I can't trust that the game I'm buying at launch is the same game as two months later.

    • @brandon27025
      @brandon27025 Місяць тому +1

      @@Nemcoification It's optional content. You are required to spend exactly $0 to continue playing the game.
      Why don't you understand that you're not entitled to things you haven't purchased?

    • @anthonybrothers744
      @anthonybrothers744 Місяць тому +14

      @@Nemcoification Sneak in a mediocre battle pass that's only 15 dollars? Or a few awkward balance changes because they are trying to figure it out too? Yeah still a really corny awkward take. Buddy Tekken 8 slaps. This community is so probably the worst fighting game community there is. It's just nothing but bitching and whining about anything and everything.

    • @clumsyturtle8544
      @clumsyturtle8544 Місяць тому

      Took you a while to learn that. Don't pre-order games has been a saying for a decade

  • @MrMooMoo088
    @MrMooMoo088 Місяць тому +54

    They already said the stage hazards were an oversight and they are working on a hotfix. Should've never happened but im optimistic they'll fix it soon.

  • @AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz
    @AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz Місяць тому +35

    honestly, buying a battlepass in your 60/70$ game is beyond moronic.
    you're getting dumped with the F2P plebs.
    if you pay for that you are, in fact, the problem with this industry.
    edit: of course all the battlepasses suck, no game designer has ever uttered the word "battlepass". they don't exist to make anything better.

  • @Kizzie_Kay
    @Kizzie_Kay Місяць тому +9

    Amazing video. I hope the developers listen to this

  • @TheNeon-rh4kk
    @TheNeon-rh4kk Місяць тому +25

    They're looking at the wrong games to study how battlepasses become worth the money, Instead they should look at the one game that popularized it & see how they still made it worth the price for the last 6 years.
    Max should revisit Fortnite if he ever wants to make an opinion on how to make FG passes better.

    • @channelhorror1174
      @channelhorror1174 Місяць тому +4

      Great take

    • @dhantefranklin336
      @dhantefranklin336 Місяць тому +2

      Nice.

    • @shawnfee9107
      @shawnfee9107 Місяць тому +3

      or they could take a page out of Helldivers 2's playbook and make ways to earn the paid portion of the BP by playing the game AND by removing the FOMO of an expiring BP.

    • @sunnymane
      @sunnymane Місяць тому +2

      Fair enough

  • @etl2474
    @etl2474 Місяць тому +160

    The worst part is that people are dumb enough to complain about the stuff they buy. As long as people are more concerned with consuming than not, the microtransactions will only get worse.

    • @arpadszabo661
      @arpadszabo661 Місяць тому +33

      Typical “i hate how overpriced my new iPhone that i’m currently holding in my hand is but 14 is so last year” people

    • @TVindustries5000
      @TVindustries5000 Місяць тому +1

      thing is tho, to me, fighting games are unique. sometimes i feel if people dont buy a fighting game, japanese companies go "oh i guess people dont want fighing game no more." Tekken might be slightly different, but there was a reason there was such a big gap between SF3 and SF4
      but also i stopped buying new games after sf5 first came out so im actually with ya lmao. i might check VF6 and City of the Wolves once they release

    • @Meldrick-jv7sy
      @Meldrick-jv7sy Місяць тому +17

      These moronic types of comments need to end. 🤦
      Stop trying to conflate the people who complain with the people that just buy the thing.

    • @eusouocarameuirmao
      @eusouocarameuirmao Місяць тому +12

      the classic "the internet is one person" comment.
      i knew i'd find it here somewhere

    • @ItsYuhBoyyyy
      @ItsYuhBoyyyy Місяць тому +13

      @@Meldrick-jv7syLotusAsakura literally released a video complaining about the shit battlepass AFTER he bought it

  • @Drakevid
    @Drakevid Місяць тому +151

    Nah fck this game then, FOMO battle passes for full priced games is not something that should be normalized in fighting games even if it’s too late. I feel disappointed.

    • @arpadszabo661
      @arpadszabo661 Місяць тому +18

      Well, have fun not playing any fighting game in the next few decades

    • @VerGiLL1
      @VerGiLL1 Місяць тому +20

      @@arpadszabo661 I already have plenty of SP games to play anyway. I will still probably play it since I bought already and can't refund it, but it's probably my last entry in the franchise. The same way I gave up on the Sport genre altogether, it seems FG are next.

    • @SuperFusionAJ93
      @SuperFusionAJ93 Місяць тому +5

      @@arpadszabo661
      At this Point that God for Fightcade and Emulation

    • @DBTHEPLUG
      @DBTHEPLUG Місяць тому +4

      Well, they got your money already, so you can go and kick rocks somewhere until you aren't angry anymore, which will be in like, 2 days. See you back in Tekken 8 by then.

    • @DBTHEPLUG
      @DBTHEPLUG Місяць тому +3

      ​​@@arpadszabo661Casuals are leaving Tekken 8 because some external battle pass exists outside of the space where they are spending 99% of their time: Practice mode & Online ranked matches.

  • @carmelodadude2365
    @carmelodadude2365 Місяць тому +19

    Unrelated but Tekkens Soundtrack is the first thing that made me want to play this game. GOATED.

  • @Spickalot
    @Spickalot Місяць тому +22

    This compared to granblue's battle pass. Which you can pay with flat out cash not points for one. You get audio tracks you can use in battle unlike SF6. You unlock background challenger screens for characters, colors, and weapons. You get special titles to show off with your name. The final thing for the battle pass is a full blown skin for a character. I think it's the most well done version of a battle pass I've seen yet.

    • @GGeofreed
      @GGeofreed Місяць тому +2

      Yeah GBVSR did it the best so far.

    • @newphonewhodis7152
      @newphonewhodis7152 Місяць тому

      Do u get the next bp funded if u finish the Pass?

    • @JP_KI
      @JP_KI Місяць тому

      @@newphonewhodis7152 You straight up buy it with real money. There's no premium ingame currency to get back for the next pass. Rising does have a f2p currency ingame called Rupees you can grind and use for DLC though.

    • @Uooooooooooooh
      @Uooooooooooooh Місяць тому

      @@newphonewhodis7152 unfortunately no as there is no premium currency

    • @GGeofreed
      @GGeofreed Місяць тому

      @@newphonewhodis7152 Ohhh umm not really. I think so anyways. I havent played GBVSR in a long while. Focusing on SF6

  • @JV571
    @JV571 Місяць тому +117

    It wasn't that long ago that you could get 3 costumes for $6 in MK11. Now one costume for one character in a fighting game can cost $5 - $15. And the idea of battle passes always bothered me. You have to pay money to get premium items, then you have to unlock those items within a time limit or you lose them. So you're not actually paying for them, you're paying for the chance to get them. Which means you're SOL if you're a casual who doesn't play often enough, or if you have a busy schedule. What's worse is that you can't even buy these things directly. You have to buy currency. So you could have some annoying left over currency, or you could be just short of what you need so you have to buy more than you want, or you might be tempted to spend extra because you get "free currency" when you buy larger bundles. Feels really scummy all around, and makes me actively avoid spending money I normally would've. Just give me a pack full of stuff at a solid price and I'll buy. At this rate, I'll be avoiding the next Tekken, Street Fighter, and Mortal Kombat.

    • @sammythijs8641
      @sammythijs8641 Місяць тому +20

      100% agree, i’m not strictly against microtransactions.
      It’s just how they implement it what puts me off (battlepasses, rounded up currency packs, overpriced skins).
      I feel mk11 did it the correct way. You could viably earn currency in game and prices were reasonable

    • @Talesofaweedsmoker
      @Talesofaweedsmoker Місяць тому +1

      at that point you'd just stop playing the game after realizing that.

    • @majorlazor5058
      @majorlazor5058 Місяць тому +10

      SF6 with their $20 costumes is just criminal. I’ll spend $5 on a really good one and feel dirty about it, but no way I’m spending the price of a AA game for TMNT Leonardo.

    • @Meldrick-jv7sy
      @Meldrick-jv7sy Місяць тому +1

      Since when does a dlc character ever cost more than like 5 or 7 dollars?
      But overall, I agree with you.

    • @AngeloGene
      @AngeloGene Місяць тому +3

      I suggest that we all just don't buy. If they don't make enough money doing this, it will stop.
      Vote with your wallet.

  • @GanonAutumn777
    @GanonAutumn777 Місяць тому +127

    Remember when Smash Ultimate had dlc of 10 fighters,each with their own stages and sets of osts,cost less than Tekken 8's battlepass and yet offered more content without the need of microtransaction
    Both games were developed by Namco btw and yet the major difference is Namco is now in more of a pickle with two of their other live service projects not reeking in profit so they rushed in the tekken shop right alongside eddy to get the cash rolling while t8 is still in its honey moon time

    • @TonyJenn
      @TonyJenn Місяць тому +43

      Also it helped that Sakurai was in charge of smash's development.

    • @XiaoFury
      @XiaoFury Місяць тому +39

      Remember when all you had to do was use every character in arcade mode to receive more characters and stages? And it was free?

    • @megablueflash1816
      @megablueflash1816 Місяць тому +13

      Even a couple mii costumes came with their own music. And they were like, 75 cents each.

    • @AntonioGonzalez-ht5ck
      @AntonioGonzalez-ht5ck Місяць тому +2

      Where you from that $25 is cheaper than $10?

    • @tvoltage
      @tvoltage Місяць тому +22

      ​@@AntonioGonzalez-ht5ckfrom a place where the $25 has 5 characters + stages. $5 per character pack. Where are you from

  • @Steffox1312
    @Steffox1312 Місяць тому +18

    Dead or Alive 5 has the best stages (and stage interactions) ever.
    Change my mind!

    • @balto9674
      @balto9674 Місяць тому +4

      As a former Dead or Alive 5 player, you are absolutely spot on. I still love that game and even catch myself playing it every now and then. Plus the game mechanics felt the best to me for a 3D fighter.

    • @doctorbrown5957
      @doctorbrown5957 25 днів тому

      Kicking someone down the stairs in MK Armageddon still makes me chuckle.

  • @Average.writer
    @Average.writer Місяць тому +31

    I think battle pass is inherently a bad combination with fighting games. They can't lock out Characters like shooter that's insane. Customizations are bound to be lack lusters. Also what kind of challenges can you get with fighting games. Win a match?

    • @journie3042
      @journie3042 Місяць тому +6

      Go play VF4 Evo quest mode, it has requirements during a match that u can decide to complete or not, it can earn golds that u can earn to unlock stuff like costumes parts, unlockable wallpaper, music, old stages and stuff.
      There's more to it but since a new VF will be announced this year. Will see how they do a new one albeit in an online environment

    • @dojacow6645
      @dojacow6645 Місяць тому +1

      @@journie3042And it worked SO well for Virtua Fighter, because each character has their own individualized options, there weren’t sharing pieces like Tekken is doing. If Tekken were going about it like they did back in Tekken 6, where like Virtua Fighter, each character has their own style and it was reflected in their customization options, the battle pass might have been more welcome, but the rewards are absolute trash, save a FEW items. I always liked Virtua Fighter 4 because of how unique the characters and their styles were when it came to customization. The generic-ness of Tekken 8’s customization is just crazy, when you think about that, and I’m not sure why they thought a battle pass was needed, when they could have effectively did what MK1 is doing, and just had a leveling system that rewarded you for actively using your mains, which you were guaranteed to do, because that’s the point of having a main.

    • @journie3042
      @journie3042 Місяць тому

      @@dojacow6645 i honestly didn't know people didn't like Tekken 8's customs

  • @shrunkenderp
    @shrunkenderp Місяць тому +15

    The fact that they did the battle pass AND the store is extra egregious.
    One was bad enough, but thwn they had the nerve to not only do both, but undercooked each on in it's own unique and shitty way

    • @shinzero0271
      @shinzero0271 29 днів тому

      While I agree, most games that use Battlepasses for cosmetic things do it alongside a store as well. It gets worse when they add multiple in game currencies that can only be purchased in packs that ensure you either have to spend more than the actual cost of the one item you want and the remained of the currency generally won't be enough for another item you want so you'll have to do it again.

    • @shrunkenderp
      @shrunkenderp 29 днів тому

      @@shinzero0271yeah but those games are usually free. The triple dipping is wild to me

  • @connorstephens7467
    @connorstephens7467 Місяць тому +4

    I’m so tired of buying fighting games for full price. It just doesn’t seem worth it to me.

  • @Burning_Typhoon
    @Burning_Typhoon Місяць тому +3

    The issue with Tekken 8, is that there's too much flashiness. Heat bursts, heat dash, wall splats, floor breaks, wall breaks, balcony breaks, etc. The activations on some of these things should be toned down a bit, I agree. But, the issue is, like what everyone is saying is visual consistency and clarity.

  • @ODDiSEE_
    @ODDiSEE_ Місяць тому +16

    I think the way I would have approached the stage interactions is not change how they where working, but apply additional scaling when they are utilized. That way it isnt as 2-3 touch, but you get to keep all the cool flashy creativity.

    • @nerooyeye2196
      @nerooyeye2196 Місяць тому

      That actually seems like a better solution than what they did

    • @newphonewhodis7152
      @newphonewhodis7152 Місяць тому +1

      I think people misunderstand that flashiness and cool looking stuff one of the pillars of this Genre is. If it makes less dmg but looks cool, ill still strive to make it happen

    • @twistedgambit9084
      @twistedgambit9084 Місяць тому

      13:20

    • @twistedgambit9084
      @twistedgambit9084 Місяць тому

      ​@@newphonewhodis7152STRIVE 😂😂😂😂

    • @newphonewhodis7152
      @newphonewhodis7152 Місяць тому

      @@twistedgambit9084

  • @samproctor6826
    @samproctor6826 Місяць тому +86

    People turning on a game after the initial launch is nothing new, but I genuinely hope they learn from the backlash here. I love this game and I just want the best for it and the community.

    • @marcusclark1339
      @marcusclark1339 Місяць тому +1

      its not going to improve and its only going to get more scummy in design
      never love a product, always be able to quit it when it no longer respects you or your time

    • @samproctor6826
      @samproctor6826 Місяць тому +3

      @marcusclark1339 Never letting yourself enjoy something is not for me. But you do you.

    • @sky-oq5mr
      @sky-oq5mr Місяць тому +1

      ​@@samproctor6826depends on what it stands for, this stands to prey on the weak that'll defend it no matter what. I've been with Tekken since 3 and knew it was going down hill at 7. Skipped 7 after a month. Tekken 8 lasted me 2 months I'll skip this one too. If not they will never learn. They want the people that'll be stupid enough to stick with it.

    • @samproctor6826
      @samproctor6826 Місяць тому +3

      @sky-oq5mr That's fine if you don't want to support it, that's fair. All I'm saying is I'm still enjoying the game despite it and I'm thankful that people with a platform are airing their concerns plainly.

    • @JFirecracker
      @JFirecracker Місяць тому

      @@samproctor6826 And people will rightfully tell you you're playing into why corporations feel it's okay to be scummy like this

  • @OverBlackSands
    @OverBlackSands Місяць тому +3

    Throws are very Soul Calibur-y because they brought in devs from SC to work on Tekken 8. Big reason why Yoshi feels a lot more Soul Calibur-y too!

  • @thejedioutcast804
    @thejedioutcast804 Місяць тому +7

    Apart of me is mad that this is happening, but another part of me is semi happy that this is happening. So many bozos on discord told me that T8 was going to " save us from SF6. " SF6 is alive and well. And with Akuma and Season 2 coming soon? The future looks bright.

  • @shinkenrock
    @shinkenrock Місяць тому +107

    Battle passes and cosmetics in a full price game is such a slap in the face.

    • @IntertwiningRoses
      @IntertwiningRoses Місяць тому +9

      Dude, it's a one time purchase of 10 bucks, long as you play the game, you never need to pay for another one. 10 dollars for free cosmetics until the end of the games lifetime is pretty good.

    • @Rio..o7..
      @Rio..o7.. Місяць тому +15

      it's the fallout of the "it's just cosmetic" crowd

    • @Gilded30
      @Gilded30 Місяць тому +15

      @@IntertwiningRoses you are just assuming future battle passes also will cost 600 credits or future battle passes also includes 600 credits
      there is nothing that can make bamco unable to change future costs or rewards of battlepass since they can just give the excuse of "oooh this new battlepass have more quality blender-unreal engine sphere so fuck it 1200 credits"

    • @TheBlakamon15
      @TheBlakamon15 Місяць тому +3

      and that is the problem right there. The excuse is for full price games. The whole point of games is to make money. Regardless if it is a full price game or free to play game because latter is worst than the former. To this day unless this stuff is being force upon you. I do not see why people cannot ignore that crap and just play and pay for what they want. Do not want to pay than do not pay and move on. All you going to do push them to find another way for them to push some type of monetization.

    • @nickming8738
      @nickming8738 Місяць тому

      @@Gilded30😂😂😂

  • @symphonixblades
    @symphonixblades Місяць тому +129

    it's happening what happened to SF6 and Mortal Kombat ... Greedy management from the top dogs of the company. This is Bandai execs doing, and the TEKKEN team can do nothing to stop them because they don't have enough power for that

    • @oni_vergil7342
      @oni_vergil7342 Місяць тому +14

      Nah I disagree. The devs seen the money tekken 7 made and decided to go mainstream . It’s a logical business decision. But it’s not good for us.

    • @Eyes-Scream0213
      @Eyes-Scream0213 Місяць тому +13

      At least SF6 Deluxe Edition is much cheaper but offers Season 1 characters and Battle Pass.
      But Tekken 8 "Ultimate Edition" is very expensive and there's only season 1 characters without Battle Pass.
      So disappointed about it to be honest. Bandai Namco is starting to sucks now.

    • @arpadszabo661
      @arpadszabo661 Місяць тому +4

      @@Eyes-Scream0213 It’s not really fair to compare a deluxe edition to the ultimate one though. SF6 ultimate edition is just as overpriced

    • @dustincarter9334
      @dustincarter9334 Місяць тому +7

      Eh, SF 6 isn't that bad for cost because nothing they've really put out is anything I want anyway. It's still on top of the hill for me.

    • @Eyes-Scream0213
      @Eyes-Scream0213 Місяць тому

      @@arpadszabo661 dude SF6 Deluxe Edition cost only 84.99 USD and I got Season 1 with Battle Pass.
      Tekken 8 "Ultimate Edition" costs 109.99 USD and I only get season 1 without a battle pass.
      Yeah I agree SF6 Ultimate Edition was very expensive but it's because it does have additional cosmetics but for Tekken 8 "Ultimate Edition" to have season 1 access only is so unfair.

  • @olidvr7799
    @olidvr7799 Місяць тому +2

    Love seeing you play Tekken 8 Dood, keep it up!

  • @lovelydumpling
    @lovelydumpling Місяць тому +23

    I don't care how much effort they put into the battle pass items, I don't want a god damn battle pass in my seventy dollar video game
    It's an instant dealbreaker
    I'm not playing Tekken

  • @FF7LimitBreak
    @FF7LimitBreak Місяць тому +17

    No full priced video game should have micro transactions, either you have DLC or nothing. Make it free to play if you’re asking for more of my money to have fun with the video game. Greed is getting crazy.

  • @TheAmazinglyAdequate
    @TheAmazinglyAdequate Місяць тому +29

    As someone who plays mainly offline, this is miserable. I understand they want people online but it really feels like I’m not getting the full game for how I want to play.

    • @catkaboodle
      @catkaboodle Місяць тому +4

      Why? You already have the full game. This is just extraneous bullshit added by Namco after the game sold millions of copies and proved it was a hot commodity. It is meaningless vapor that nobody needs.

    • @SquashMelendez
      @SquashMelendez Місяць тому +5

      @@catkaboodlethank you. Like a new hat does nothing to the game

    • @CaptainTitforce
      @CaptainTitforce Місяць тому +3

      ​@@SquashMelendez Then why sell it? Why not just give it to everyone for free or not release it at all if it does nothing.

    • @M_CFV
      @M_CFV Місяць тому

      @@catkaboodle because they clearly ripped things out of the base game to sell to you, like eye colors.

    • @catkaboodle
      @catkaboodle Місяць тому

      @@M_CFV Eye colors are meaningless vapor. They are not a mandatory part of any character creator. However, a lot of customizers demand their existence and will pay as much money as they "need" to for the colors they want, so Bamco has decided to make bank off them.

  • @KamiKoroshi_
    @KamiKoroshi_ Місяць тому +18

    I'm sorry this entire update is dogshit. Especially the wall break situation, which literally broke the game in this new update. Nobody asked for a godamn battle pass. WTF is Tekken 8 doing?

  • @sodamustdie4372
    @sodamustdie4372 Місяць тому +13

    Bamco, just make DLC costumes that matter, not battle pass. That's it, that's all it takes. Battle passes are fine for free to play games, not a $70 launch game

    • @unclepaul1995
      @unclepaul1995 Місяць тому +2

      Are You asking Harada for Shit?

    • @sodamustdie4372
      @sodamustdie4372 Місяць тому +2

      @@unclepaul1995 Yeh 😂

    • @unclepaul1995
      @unclepaul1995 Місяць тому +1

      @@sodamustdie4372 Good Luck letting Harada beating You Up.

    • @sodamustdie4372
      @sodamustdie4372 Місяць тому

      @@unclepaul1995 🤣, if he does that, Imma use his weakness: taking his glasses off

    • @unclepaul1995
      @unclepaul1995 Місяць тому

      @@sodamustdie4372 I see.

  • @frankiecedeno3724
    @frankiecedeno3724 Місяць тому +4

    I have played only ONE game that had a good battle pass and that was Borderlands 3. Part of the Season 2 DLC pass you got 3 battle passes that released over the course of a few months. They are permanent and you can switch between them freely. There’s a lot of dumb cosmetics but severely cool pieces of gear as well. It’s through a through a reward system for those ride or die people you play the game every day. It’s great it applies to your account so every character you make has access to it, no complaints especially since I got it as part of a DLC bundle.

  • @alextygesen3101
    @alextygesen3101 Місяць тому +34

    Remember when Harada tweeted that costumization pieces from other games aren't just a "port them over" issue?
    Which is mighty ironic since everything in the battle pass is ported from Tekken 7. If it wasn't that easy then why are you recreating the same items for the 3rd time instead of actually making something new that isn't just "stock sweater"? They even charge you money to use a literally untextured ball and things PORTED FROM SOULCALIBUR. Bamco and Harada are a joke, they want to make money but don't want to put in any effort.

    • @unclepaul1995
      @unclepaul1995 Місяць тому

      Stop Asking Harada for Shit!

    • @sky-oq5mr
      @sky-oq5mr Місяць тому +1

      Alot of Tekken 7 stuff was just tag 2 items. Tekken 7 did the same bullshit practices

  • @leithaziz2716
    @leithaziz2716 Місяць тому +13

    If you were to ask me what's the best Battlepass implemented in a game, my answer would be Deep Rock Galactic. They're all free and the content in them later gets put into rewards for certain missions so you don't have to worry about missing out.

    • @FlyXcur
      @FlyXcur Місяць тому +5

      Mine would be halo infinite there is no fomo cause you choose which battle pass you want to work towards with an unlimited amount of time to finish it

    • @Spacecommando619
      @Spacecommando619 Місяць тому

      Helldivers 2 is also fair

    • @sophiacole61
      @sophiacole61 Місяць тому

      Cod and Fortnite they give you the option to buy tiers and have option to grind it really fast

    • @SquashMelendez
      @SquashMelendez Місяць тому

      @@sophiacole61you have to buy the pass though

    • @babytricep437
      @babytricep437 Місяць тому

      @@FlyXcurMCC is the same but not as fomo/greedy. MCC is how every battle pass should be

  • @Panzerschreck9
    @Panzerschreck9 Місяць тому +6

    First street fighter, then (allegedly) Dogma 2, and now THIS?! Pray they don't have the same thoughts process for monster hunter 6

    • @thathomiefox
      @thathomiefox Місяць тому

      “The future is now old man!”

    • @mydrillasanjay5397
      @mydrillasanjay5397 Місяць тому +1

      Have you played dmc 5 / 4?? Or perhaps the last two monster hunter games?? Capcom been on this shit for years brah nothing is gonna change

  • @johnodaz1273
    @johnodaz1273 Місяць тому

    Really cool Video Max.
    This Latest Patch has definitely got alot of Playing in a head spin at the mo.

  • @Hero5slayer
    @Hero5slayer Місяць тому +117

    If u got something to say about the game. I'll genuinely listen. Most people who complain about the game just complain. But you actually take the time to check and figure out what's happening lol

    • @crescenteclipse6467
      @crescenteclipse6467 Місяць тому +1

      Well said

    • @treezy7593
      @treezy7593 Місяць тому +1

      💯

    • @zombieeightpack1381
      @zombieeightpack1381 Місяць тому +23

      I am so, SO fucking sick and tired of having every single fighting game discussion video on UA-cam be reduced down to “T8 IS KILLING SF6” or “BLAZBLUE WAS ALWAYS TRASH (AND HERE’S WHY)” It’s the most boring, disingenuous bullshit. It’s anti-content, anti-entertainment. Should be outlawed.

    • @jeice2226
      @jeice2226 Місяць тому +18

      ​​@@zombieeightpack1381The landscape in entertainment nowadays (including video games) almost requires people to make clickbaity, bad faith takes in order to express their opinions. Otherwise, you'll be ignored for having the "wrong" viewpoint.

    • @TheRealAhoy
      @TheRealAhoy Місяць тому +6

      ​@@zombieeightpack1381It's a tabloid mentality

  • @MoyLoaf
    @MoyLoaf Місяць тому +174

    Lmao the thumbnail said "☝️🤓"

    • @nikkobird590
      @nikkobird590 Місяць тому +6

      🤣

    • @tmifb9926
      @tmifb9926 Місяць тому +3

      Lmaooo

    • @yusram8182
      @yusram8182 Місяць тому +2

      lmaooooooo
      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @unclepaul1995
      @unclepaul1995 Місяць тому +1

      Max made many Videos about Battle Passes. Many Rant Videos about Battle Pass, and they still putting Battle Passes in Modern Games. Rant Videos did Nothing. Dev ignore us, thinking that Money Over Fans. Even the Angry Fans.

    • @hyperreal
      @hyperreal Місяць тому +1

      Yes.. is this zoomer humor? Just emojis of the thing? 😴

  • @Destinedhellfire
    @Destinedhellfire Місяць тому +2

    My issues with Eddy, as a new player to Tekken 8:
    He was available for ranked right out of the gate, even before he was general access; this ties into my second issue, you can't even practice against him in dojo mode unless you pay the money to unlock the character... meaning if you don't spend the money, you are stuck just queuing into Eddy matches and hoping you learn fast enough. Which to a veteran fighting game player, sure that's understandable to expect... but to new fighting game players that is a huge turn off and leads to frustrations that will cause people to turn away from the game.

  • @PKMyhel
    @PKMyhel Місяць тому +2

    There should be a hit limit on the walls and floors similar to GGS at up 2 or 3 hits on wall before the wall breaks and maybe floor hazard go off after 2 grounding hits. For breakable walls and floors with zero explosions there should be no impact damage when you go through it and for explosive wall and floor damage is added in as if it part of the combo itself so nerfs itself in combo strings.

  • @TheRealKingTGP
    @TheRealKingTGP Місяць тому +9

    A $70+ game with a shop in game along with season pass for dlc characters and now a battle pass for limited time cosmetics. Ngl I think I’m done with fighting games for now lol

    • @emperormegaman3856
      @emperormegaman3856 Місяць тому

      I think maybe there are good indie options that don't have this stuff out there.

  • @DaviddeBergerac
    @DaviddeBergerac Місяць тому +5

    Bamco sent me on a roller coaster of emotions when I saw eddy was out, and then I saw the battle pass and my good mood was slapped down like a drunk parent hitting their baby

  • @TheCrimsonCat89
    @TheCrimsonCat89 Місяць тому +2

    This is what capcom and Bamco need to do if they want to do "battle passes"
    1. One kind of in-game currency that can easily be earned by playing both single player and online content; BY PLAYING THE GAME.
    2. Costumes and battle pass content can be earned by playing the game and using the in-game currency.
    3. when battle pass is done: its in the shop to be bought with in game currency.
    4. costumes and dlc can be unlocked or bought.
    5. If people want to buy the in-game currency, they can.
    Guilty Gear Strive takes the W here. It just has a season pass for characters and stages. The colors can be bought in the psn store. All the shit in the game can be unlocked by playing the game and using World Dollars to fish for them, and theyre not using battle passes.

  • @JKess-rh6fc
    @JKess-rh6fc Місяць тому +1

    King main here: King's Jaguar sprint (point and run) locks King into 5 options during the sprint.
    1 (mid punch), 2 (high lariat), 3 (mid sobat kick), 4 (low kick), and a 5th option being a grab.
    The patch before Eddie dropped (I think) they added in a 6th option on Jag Sprint where he could hold back and block. I rarely used it before the block option was added because it felt very unsafe to quick attacks and counterhits.
    Hope this helps.

  • @mattmanley7118
    @mattmanley7118 Місяць тому +50

    Monetization … Monetization is happening.. All after the stellar review period. How convenient 😢

  • @Sorrelhas
    @Sorrelhas Місяць тому +33

    The one that bothers me the most is SF6, because it affects the actual characters
    Like, MK1, Granblue, Tekken, etc, you just buy the character for industry standard prices, subject to regional pricing and whatnot, and you can pretty much ignore the cosmetic stuff
    SF6 on the other hand forces premium currency shenanigans on you when you want to get the characters, you either have to buy the same coin pack twice, or the one that leaves you with a ton of leftover currency
    And of course, that means that if you live in certain regions, you're paying twice or more the price that other companies are asking for the characters

    • @mydrillasanjay5397
      @mydrillasanjay5397 Місяць тому

      Vpn baybeee

    • @Sorrelhas
      @Sorrelhas Місяць тому

      @@mydrillasanjay5397 Good luck paying for straight dollar conversion lmao

    • @sky-oq5mr
      @sky-oq5mr Місяць тому +1

      You do the same thing in Tekken 8. What's worse is you can't learn or even watch replays with dlc characters if you don't own them.

    • @Sorrelhas
      @Sorrelhas Місяць тому

      @@sky-oq5mr So in Tekken you buy characters with the premium currency too? Damn

    • @maximumdeejay
      @maximumdeejay Місяць тому

      ​​@@Sorrelhas Yeah it's the same thing. You cannot watch any replay with Eddy if you don't own the character, lots of people have said that.

  • @astrospect
    @astrospect Місяць тому +4

    In b4 everyone gets over it and the standard response to stuff like this is "what, are you poor bro?"

  • @michaeltenbroeck1807
    @michaeltenbroeck1807 Місяць тому +3

    Rocket League’s Rocket pass and Hell Diver 2’s War bonds are good examples of how to do the season pass well.

  • @SuperFusionAJ93
    @SuperFusionAJ93 Місяць тому +24

    The Idea of Battle Passes in a Full Priced Fighting Game is The Worse Shit to Happen in Gaming.

    • @kye4216
      @kye4216 Місяць тому

      Why? If you don’t think it’s offering good value don’t buy it.

    • @Hasan-hm5fy
      @Hasan-hm5fy Місяць тому +19

      @@kye4216lol why are you defending this garbage? They’re taking stuff that was literally in the game out, putting it in a timed battle pass and giving it to you piece by piece. This game is the full premium $70 with a $40 season pass and an in game shop, how much do they need?

    • @SuperFusionAJ93
      @SuperFusionAJ93 Місяць тому +10

      @@kye4216
      Miss with that Garbage Ass Excuse! I buy a product I expect a Full Package.

    • @driatrogenesis
      @driatrogenesis Місяць тому +10

      @@kye4216 its greedy asf
      they removed stuff that was in the previous game
      the customizations were cut by 90% dude...they cut it and they borugt in back to sell it piece by piece.
      Thats scummy asf.

    • @dannyboots
      @dannyboots Місяць тому

      I'd say loot boxes are

  • @GregInTechnicolor
    @GregInTechnicolor Місяць тому +3

    "Paying 10 dollars to spend 6 dollars" is probably the thing that bugs the most about modern gaming...

  • @thecoolguyman587
    @thecoolguyman587 Місяць тому

    46:44 probably my favorite part of the video and a very clear cut through a lot pf the online noise

  • @dangerouslysafe3
    @dangerouslysafe3 Місяць тому +3

    In my opinion, Battle Passes don't have any business being in a fighting game. Period.

  • @blacklite911
    @blacklite911 Місяць тому +4

    If they wanna nerf the floor and wall break stuff, just make the damage scaling after those things higher

    • @sky-oq5mr
      @sky-oq5mr Місяць тому

      It's already low. Stop touching shit. Everyone loved the game when it first dropped, why tf would you change what won us over. I stopped at Tekken king. Too much pluggers getting rewarded and it's pissing me off as well. Then I can't watch replays to learn Eddy if I don't own him? Fuck that.

  • @EddyGordoGOAT
    @EddyGordoGOAT Місяць тому +3

    29:54 I couldn’t agree more with you there. The first and only character I learned at launch was victor because I’m an eddy player ( who finally got him ) and I would have people message me even after beating me by cheesing or normally and say “you’re victor you deserve it. He’s cheese”. Like bro…

    • @omegaweapon116
      @omegaweapon116 Місяць тому

      I've been an Eddy player since Tekken 3. I picked him up yesterday, started practicing with him, seeing what old moves he still has, good lord....he's almost a whole different character now. Actually, I feel like he's almost too good in this game.

  • @SuperTacocat
    @SuperTacocat Місяць тому +2

    I have to disagree on the topic of the change to Lars's Den 3 in that I do think this mindset in development greatly affects the lower echelon of players.
    I'm currently struggling to learn the game because everything feels very 50/50, but learning those interactions and gaining knowledge to weed out true 50/50s with moves that have answers gives me a sense of progression. It tells me, as a new Tekken player, that I can force the Lars to respect my defensive option, and that these other situations that feel like true 50/50s can perhaps also be learned. I just have to keep playing and incorporating knowledge.
    In other videos, Max, you've said defensive options are what give a game depth. That depth is greatest to the players that have yet to explore it.

  • @kgeo2686
    @kgeo2686 Місяць тому +1

    For G sync you need G sync on in the nvidia control panel for full screen and windowed.
    You also need v sync on in control panel or you will have tearing above monitor refresh rate.
    Then you want v sync off in game.

  • @KitoBallard
    @KitoBallard Місяць тому +3

    As someone who barely played T8, seeing all the nutty shit that happened when I started understanding my character was invigorating. it filled me with hype and had me going "Oh SHIT that was sick! Leme do it again..." but hearing all this has me on pause and wondering how fun it'll feel now.

    • @SquashMelendez
      @SquashMelendez Місяць тому

      Don’t watch these videos they are lazy as hell. The game is fun as hell. I wouldn’t buy the battlepass. A new shirt has no effect on the game. People like to cry on the internet

    • @KitoBallard
      @KitoBallard Місяць тому +1

      @@SquashMelendez I trust max, honestly.

    • @maximumdeejay
      @maximumdeejay Місяць тому +2

      ​@@SquashMelendez You aren't even trying to have a conversation, you're just deflecting. You came to the comment of this vid to not do that.

    • @niltondiaz7945
      @niltondiaz7945 Місяць тому

      Just play the game…if we are being honest, this is only affecting competitive players in tournaments. The combo creativity is their but with Tekken your constantly learning which is why i try to learn the entire moveset and combo varieties and not the same ones over and over. Max is worthy of being heard but you got to see for yourself too

  • @nerooyeye2196
    @nerooyeye2196 Місяць тому +21

    Max really described a lot of tekken players well when he said "they hate most of the characters on the roster and like their character ". Also, i understand how max feels about people bitching about his character cuz i play hwoarang and lars

    • @dongoyo584
      @dongoyo584 Місяць тому +6

      Tbf if you play Hwoarang, the hate is warranted😂

    • @nerooyeye2196
      @nerooyeye2196 Місяць тому +9

      @@dongoyo584 bruh😭

    • @maximumdeejay
      @maximumdeejay Місяць тому

      ​@@dongoyo584 That's not being fair. See? You're doing the same thing he just talked about.

    • @eulnav_93
      @eulnav_93 Місяць тому +1

      As a Hwoarang main since T3, I feel your pain. Peeps just get tired of getting sat on all the time, lol.

    • @dongoyo584
      @dongoyo584 Місяць тому

      @@maximumdeejay After you fight against Hwoarang 7 times in a row in ranked and they all do the same thing, you start hating him lmao. Thats why everyone hates Hwoarang

  • @ghostwaterjones5187
    @ghostwaterjones5187 Місяць тому +2

    I think that in the example with Bryan and Kuma, the stage hazard still activated because Kuma hit the wall mid-combo, resetting hazard activation. Maybe.

  • @giantblueape
    @giantblueape Місяць тому +3

    Thanks for giving rumbleverse a reference lol god I miss that game

  • @Edzter
    @Edzter Місяць тому +72

    ah yes, fighting games now experiencing the bullshit that other games have been for years.
    You love to see it

    • @unclepaul1995
      @unclepaul1995 Місяць тому +5

      And Yet, Harada Said Don’t asked Me for Shit. Gotta love Harada.

    • @steel5897
      @steel5897 Місяць тому +9

      You must be young. Street Fighter x Tekken was one of the earliest and largest controversies of scummy DLC practices, back when DLC was a relatively new thing, not just in fighting games but overall, it made headlines.
      In the 90s too when it was popular to re-release barely updated version of the same game, Capcom was by FAR the worst at it with their 500 versions of Street Fighter 2.

    • @unclepaul1995
      @unclepaul1995 Місяць тому +2

      @@steel5897 Re-Release, DLC, and Now Battle Passes. Issues that just won’t go away.

    • @clumsyturtle8544
      @clumsyturtle8544 Місяць тому

      @@unclepaul1995 But Harada asks for all our money.

    • @Edzter
      @Edzter Місяць тому

      @@steel5897 I hardly played fighting games outside of my cousins ps1-4 (tekken 3-5, kof 98) and the arcades until like 2020 so I wouldn't know, I'm just going by the experience of other games that have been doing this for almost 10 years on basically everything, vs fighting games who, to what I've seen (dbfz, dnf duel), haven't done this to that extent YET.

  • @95hue
    @95hue Місяць тому +14

    Harada...what have you done...

    • @unclepaul1995
      @unclepaul1995 Місяць тому +2

      Stop Asking Harada for Shit. Harada hate Peoples asking Him for Shit.

    • @yatheo2969
      @yatheo2969 Місяць тому +1

      MURRAYS VISION

    • @Black_Aces
      @Black_Aces Місяць тому +1

      *Mr.Krabs voice*
      Money!

    • @unclepaul1995
      @unclepaul1995 Місяць тому +1

      @@Black_Aces Namco is Mr.Krabs, Capcom is Mr.Krabs, Disney is Mr.Krabs, I’M MR.KRABS! Is there any more Mr.Krabs I should Know about?

  • @cyrusskpsm7142
    @cyrusskpsm7142 Місяць тому +3

    BEFORE: BUYING A GAME AND ALL UNLOCKING BY PLAYING GAME
    NOW: BUYING A GAME WITH BUYING EVERYTHING TO COMPLETE UNLOCK THE GAME
    *MICROTRANSACTION SERIOUSLY KILLING THE ENTIRE GAMING COMMUNITY*

  • @deadnameisdead
    @deadnameisdead Місяць тому +30

    The battlepass was for me my last straw, I paid for the ultimate edition and was okay kinda with the ingame shop BUT NOW A BATTLEPASS WHERE BAMCO SAY PLEASE PAY AGAIN FOR ITEMS THAT WERE FREE IN TEKKEN 7
    No sorry, I don't have the money.... F this game

    • @RealsleepyAC
      @RealsleepyAC Місяць тому +4

      You know you don't have to buy the battle pass right like there's no gun to your head telling you to buy it

    • @_loss_
      @_loss_ Місяць тому +17

      ​@@RealsleepyAC The fact that you think you hit the net with this one

    • @shinanimedubs1269
      @shinanimedubs1269 Місяць тому +6

      @@RealsleepyAChe's not being inclined to even purchase the battle pass lol. he's saying the company is making this game suck by selling you shit that should have been in the game day one. it is lazy and not a good look. you wouldn't see a reaction like this if the battle pass featured new stuff that people actually wanted

    • @RealsleepyAC
      @RealsleepyAC Місяць тому +1

      @@_loss_ I didn't think I hit anything I was just staying a fact

    • @RealsleepyAC
      @RealsleepyAC Місяць тому +1

      @@_loss_ you might this think I hit something but everything I said was the truth

  • @sniperkilla4322
    @sniperkilla4322 Місяць тому +50

    Don’t buy the pass boys hold strong. 💪

    • @DBTHEPLUG
      @DBTHEPLUG Місяць тому +1

      Too late

    • @yamatosama6028
      @yamatosama6028 Місяць тому +4

      Agreed, though what is even there there to buy? Is not like you get much content anyways but some specific character customization

    • @DBTHEPLUG
      @DBTHEPLUG Місяць тому +2

      @yamatosama6028 He's probably part of an echo chamber. He's just running with the opinion of others that this isn't acceptable because they're holding back content (from earlier games) to resell it to you later.
      Meanwhile, Tekken 8 came out with a bunch of characters from older Tekken games missing, with them having the probability of being resold to you later down the line.
      So, they were perfectly fine supporting this practice by purchasing Tekken 8, but now expect YOU & ME. To adhere to their standards by stopping where they drew the line? Hell to the no, my line hasn't been crossed yet.

    • @DBTHEPLUG
      @DBTHEPLUG Місяць тому +3

      @yamatosama6028 But that's the problem with echo chambers, you don't think for yourself and instead echo the opinions of others. If the opinion doesn't make any logical sense, you'll end up looking like a joke, since you aren't able to have a logical discussion about it, since logic wasn't used to come up with that opinion to begin with. That's why most of these people I try to have a logical discussion with end up name-calling and ignoring me afterwards.

    • @steel5897
      @steel5897 Місяць тому +2

      @@DBTHEPLUG you have no idea how bad this type of thing can get. Once it gets past a certain point in the outrage, you'll get people who don't play the game, never had any interest in playing the game, and never will play the game, being VERY VOCAL about things they don't know anything about. They just echo bad takes and often literal lies they heard from others because they have, and bear with me here, social FOMO on the outrage bandwagon. That is hard for me to even type.

  • @NessOnett8
    @NessOnett8 Місяць тому +4

    I'd honestly rather have "useless" battle passes than "good" ones. Because battle passes, overall, suck as a concept. So I'd rather be able to pretend they don't exist than feel forced into grinding it for stuff I'd actually want.
    It's very clear to me that the people making these games don't want these battle passes. But executives are forcing them to add them as a monetization checklist. So they're making them bad on purpose to fulfill their requirement while trying to minimize the issues with battlepasses. So don't buy them and keep complaining about them.

  • @Kasaaz
    @Kasaaz Місяць тому +6

    Unintuitive is the word everyone is looking for in regard to the stage hazards.

  • @SilentAndy
    @SilentAndy Місяць тому +3

    I'm complaining about it. A game u pay $70+ for (ESPECIALLY if u buy deluxe or ultimate editions) should NOT have battle passes. Also, as a single-player / offline only player, this system sucks and doesn't give u anything. I'm tired of these fighting games putting battle passes. I want character outfits, stages, and actual good customization items. Same for SF6 (minus customization of course).

  • @hitmanholla5929
    @hitmanholla5929 Місяць тому +8

    was wonderin why the game felt weird as fuck lol
    back to SF6 I guess

    • @luping9941
      @luping9941 Місяць тому +3

      Enjoy playing the worst battle pass SF6

    • @maximumdeejay
      @maximumdeejay Місяць тому

      @@luping9941 Enjoy being on Harada's nuts like you always are.

  • @dandan3045
    @dandan3045 Місяць тому +2

    Imagine a game launching so damn well....and then gets progressively worse with updates when it should be getting better with each update.

  • @AbdullahMikalRodriguez
    @AbdullahMikalRodriguez Місяць тому

    Thanks for giving PhiDx shoutout. He deserves way more attention. Great dude and great content creator.

  • @Xrhstaras27
    @Xrhstaras27 Місяць тому +5

    80$ game that you need to buy 3-4 more dlcs to have the full roster of the game now asks for more money for some battle pass shit. Nah, im gonna pass.

    • @dannyboots
      @dannyboots Місяць тому +1

      You're gonna battle pass

    • @Xrhstaras27
      @Xrhstaras27 Місяць тому +3

      @@dannyboots 🤣🤣🤣You know whats funny? I thought of writing exactly that. But my comment was supposed to be serious so i left it aside.

  • @drdiabetesv
    @drdiabetesv Місяць тому +5

    All I want is be able to customize Kuma has a care bear