@@TheDrZero in sub 12 yes it is, at higher FPS with a heavier pellet, the bigger caliber has a higher Ballistic Coefficient, higher BC equals flyer trajectory.
The problem with this test is that when you're hunting small game, you're not shooting through inches of flesh. You very quickly hit denser material, including bone, which causes very different pellet deformation to that indicated by ballistic gel.
Hi Mr AAR, I just want to let you know, that I really enjoy, and look forward to your videos. You are quite entertaining and I think you present an honest review of what ever your video is about, and when you have an opinion, you let us know that is your opinion. You are one of my favorite UA-cam People. THANK YOU, Don from Pennsylvania USA
I've always thought that so called 'hunting' pellets are not much more than a gimmick. For me, the number one priority for any pellet being used on live quarry is accuracy. People comment about over penetration and not all of the energy from a pellet being imparted to a target as a result. Personally, I've never seen a rabbit walk away from a shot that puts a hole in its head from one side right through to the other.
I feel the same, and would go with the JSB Exact's. The humane way is to put the pellet right in the brain, I wouldn't take a shot if I wasn't 100% sure of that. And no small or even medium quarry can walk away from that.
@@flow5718 Can you please help me sir? I want to get a Weihrauch. Will a Weirauch hw80 with 22 cal, kill a rabbit if the pellet hits the body? I can only use open sights, scopes are not allowed here.. Will the hw80 kill if I miss the head and hit the body, or choose the HW95 with 177, which it will still be without a scope (only open sights). Which one would be better?
@@greekveteran2715 Definitely go with the 22 cal for hunting, a 177 has to be spot on in the brain for it to do its job, a 22 is more forgiving, and does body shots much better but you still have to get the heart or lungs. And it does increase the animal's suffering as it won't be insta killed. Practice until you can hit a coin from 10 yards away 9 times out of 10, learn the anatomy of the animal and read hunting forums for advice on where to place the shot. You can get pretty good with an open sight under 10 yards but above that, it just doesn't offer the level of accuracy I prefer. The rules around scopes are vague at best, so you can catch a combo deal sometimes from a manufacturer or reseller, it depends. In most places with scope restriction they're not allowed to sell a rifle with a scope, but they're allowed to sell it separately, so look for combo deals or sellers specializing in just scopes and accessories. But starting out, I'd recommend practicing your iron sights and then moving onto peep sight for slightly better accuracy. Once you've mastered those, move to scopes. It's a big change that.
@@flow5718 Best help I could ever had! I thought I would never add optics, but today, I found out that local people use optics, so... I guess I'll take your advice! I really appriciate it, thank you very much!!
i was thinking exactly the same. accuracy is more important for shoot placement. one in the head and is gone dont matter for the penetration or deformation the impact is enough to knock him down. it happens to me one with a co2 air rifle.
I’ve recently switched from the JSB exact 8.44gr to QYS streamlined 9.56gr. At 40yards they’re pellet on pellet in my hw100. Absolutely love them and well worth checking out :)
Andy, thank you for the amazing video. Very detailed and i appreciated how you included pictures of the tin during each testing phase for easy reference. It makes it easy to watch and follow and will allow for easy quick reference if i am shopping in the store. Have a good one.
Thanks for the amazing videos! The information within helps us understand the performance and characteristics of difference pellets, something which we only know through trial and error. Priceless 👍🏼
Waited for this test. Nice done. I got a FAC in 4,5mm shooting only JSB Exact Monster 13,43gr. The trajectory of 4,5mm is excellent. Regards from Slovenia.
I use barracuda hunter extreme in my BSA Scorpion SE 177. Over 40 - 50 yards range they have no problems with Rats, Phesants, Ducks, Quails, Rabbits, and Hares. Best hunting pellets I've ever used👍
I'd like to say this was a very well made video and informative. Also I appreciate the fact that this isn't sponsored which could add bias. I should also add I'm in the US. I have the Crosman Venom Dusk pellet rifle and would usually just target shoot with it. The pellets I used were the Beeman Silver arrows at 11.57 grains. I haven't chronographed it but it is probably 900+ FPS. I decided I'd like to go squirrel hunting and I wanted to find a pellet that wouldn't over penetrate and pass through. I also wanted good expansion. After researching on forums and by watching videos like yours I decided to try the H&N Terminator. They were far lighter at 7.25 grains and I really wasn't expecting these to be acceptable as far as accuracy. I cleaned and lubed my rifle last night. I went to the 25 yard indoor range this morning. I had to make numerous adjustments to my scope as it was zeroed with the Silver Arrows. I was pleasantly surprised with the accuracy of the Terminator pellets. Once zeroed I was able to shoot a five shot group, all touching, that measured about 3/4". Thanks for taking the time to make these videos.
I'd like to start this off by saying that I've been on a bit of a dive for pellet recommendations, but no reviews are actually any good, and I don't exactly have slabs of ballistic gel laying around. This video is perfect, my dude. Thank you so much for actually making a decent review. I came here from another "Review" that was literally just marketing material. Once again, thanks a ton, and keep up the great work!
Just bought some H&N Baracudas after trying numerous others (Crosman Premier Hollow Points included which were recommended) in my cheap .177 Nova Vista gas ram. Turns out my rifle isn’t rubbish. The grouping with the H&N’s after ~100 shots is fantastic. Just ordered another 2 tins.
never used the .177 Ultra Shocks, BUT... my .22 caliber, 34 ft/lb Benjamin Marauder absolutely LOVES the Ultra Shock pellets. they group like a laser beam, deform massively, and i can confirm their lethal efficacy on small game
Excellent follow-on to the .22 test Andy. For me, Bisley Magnums do a great job in both my HW100 and Huntsman Regal. Very accurate and consistent, but they do tend to 'drill through' quarry. (Even at 12 ft/lb) This is quite useful for heart/lung shots on avian pests, when a head shot is not an option. I think the old guidance of '.22 for fur and .177 for feather' has some grounding! I just wish I had a Huntsman Classic in .20! Thanks for your efforts, and keep them coming.
I shot a Beeman springer for better than a decade running about 11-11.5 ft/lb. My go to pellet was the H&N Crow Magnum. I routinely got expansion even in that power level when recovering them occasionally if I happened to not have complete pass throughs on game. I shot the terminators some, but the crow magnums were definitely my favorite. My gun shot them better than my brothers and my buddies, but they both ran different model springers. Both of which also liked the pellet but not as much as my gun. Likely in a higher powered gun they'd basically disintegrate or flatten very quickly and have minimal penetration. I feel they would be best suited to stay under 20 or maybe 25ft lb MAX. But I'd love to see them in gel, 177 and 22 cal.
Excellent material, as always! What about a test of this kind with springer rifles? I know that PCP are more accurate, but many of us prefer the simplicity of a good springer, like TX200/ProSport, HW77/97, LGU/LGV, which, here in Portugal, we can buy with either 16J or 20J. I would love to see such test!
Fantastic video. Very detailed and informative. Glad that you included both sub 12 and FAC rifles which shows how the same pellets react differently. This earned a like and a sub from me and I’m going to go back and watch more of your vids. Cheers from Canada, eh?
very useful video for a beginner like me, have subbed to show support. Funny story for you, i was a student in Nottingham years ago, and my halls of residence were next door to Drapers! All these years later i'm watching this! Best wishes from the south coast and love the Notts accent hahah! Makes me miss Hyson Green and Forrest Fields x
Andy my Career 707 .22 50fpe loves them out to 60yds past that the group really opens up. My .22 Sumatra Carbine and .22 Career 707 Carbine love the Ultra Shock too. But, past 50yds the groups open up. The Carbines are around 50fps also. Great review really enjoyed it. Thanks my Brother
Interesting results, thank you! Odd, that the Hammers scored so low. I've been using them as a cheap alternative (and obviously not so good) for H&N Field Target Trophy with my HW97K (19J power) and at 30m they performed quite satisfyingly. Maybe their production quality is unstable.
I think something everyone should take in to consideration is you’re more than likely going to be hitting bone rather than flesh if you’re going for headshots so the expansion would be more significant for both calibre sub 12ft/lb guns.
Just catching up on some of your videos Andy, really enjoy the comparison type videos you post. As a suggestion for a future review how about doing a comparison type test focusing on the bisley range of pellets?
I had a lot of success on Rabbits out to 35 yards with .177 RWS Hobby. As a bonus they are fairly cheap. Like always... shot placement and choosing a pellet that is accurate out of your rifle are the most important things. My faves as an FT shooter are JSB Exacts and Crossman Accupel as all 3 of my FT rifles perform well with them.
Personally as a target shooter, I have shot Predator Polymag, as they came with the gun when it was bought from someone else. I shot them through a Umarex Beretta Licensed Cx4 Storm 7.5J. They were incredibly accurate out of that gun, after cleaning the barrel.
Yet another nice review Andy. Can I ask why you swapped between the Exact and the Exact Heavy? I use the Heavy in sub 12 as it is accurate and has better down range energy. Both are very accurate in my set up.
Comment #2. After spending a year with two more guns (TX200HC and an RM8. Both in .177), and also viewing this vid again and again, I’ve convinced myself that no pellet manufacturer caters to sub 12ft/lbs wrt the claim of deformation. It just isn’t there. And so I go for accuracy all day long over a ‘hunting’ pellet that may or may not hit the kill zone. Again, great video, Andy. 👍
Good information as always Andy. In your opinion what kind of velocity does it take at impact point to deform lead pellets . I’m not talking muzzle velocity but down range 20-30 yards. The 2020 shot show in Las Vegas JSB said they will be producing the hades in.177 possibility by summer. Thanks to you and the misses and crew.
How did you choose those 9 pellets? Why no Crosman pellets? I would have liked to see how the affordable pellets I can buy in store compare to all these expensive ones you have to order
Andy. Do you find pellets called " Artemis Round Pellets " in the UK ?? I use those at my HW 77k sub 12 wich I tuned down from 18 fpe because of the cracking noise the gun had . Very accurate in both versions !!!!!! Just 5 pounds (for 500 pellets !!!!) from Krale Schietsport in the Netherlands . A nice shop ;)) Thanks for sharing the video !
Hi. Great videos 👍 Would you please at some point spent some time making playlists? Divide pistol reviews from rifle reviews and so on. It's a long list to go through looking for specific topics 😉 Have a great day
When I’m hunting I’ve already gotten used to this and I always hit the head but this was very helpful because I need to get a new hunting pellet because it doesn’t expand on impact and it kicks like a 22
This is a really great review and pellet test Andy! 👍 Both my 177 and my 22 cals love the terminators! For a very blunt looking pellet, i was surprised how well they group, like dime sized groups at 20 meters! 😯 And for a pellet that looks so much like the crosman destroyers, the accuracy results are quite a bit different. Im guessing its that little bit of extra weight that stabilizes them better. Pete 🇨🇦
Very good lesson. I use .177 polymags. To clear rats and squirrels out of the garden. It is rabbit season now and will use the .22 polymags to clear them out. How about the pellet that is topped with a steel BB? When I did gel tests on those. The BB would go one way and the pellet would deform and spin the other way. I have a beeman sportsman series that has interchangeable barrels. It is a break barrel gun and shoots 22s at 900fps. And 177 at 1200 fps.
I have one of the old style .177 caliber pump up single shot pellet guns . I haven't shot it in a long time because I have nowhere to do so . I like it because it is a very good gun and I always used the Crossman .177 pellets with the flat head and always killed what I was aiming at .
The JSB Ultra Shock shoot out of my Beeman R1 Magnum .177 caliber like a laser beam out to 50 yards. It also shoots the H&N Barracuda Hunter Extreme the same, H&N Crow Magnum, JSB Predator Polymag, & H&N Terminator. My barrel isn't fuzzy. All of these pellets mushroom great, and have the accuracy to back it up. I also shoot playing card in half with these from 10 yards, out to 50 yards. This is how my .177 caliber rifle shoots them, and not yours obviously. Good video. Just want people to know that the Ultra Shock's can be accurrate. Your barrel just has to like them.
Very interesting. I am just starting off as an FT and am looking for the right pellet. High grain or small grain? Wind effect on shape and grain. Thank you for this informative video.
Please could you do a range of rws 177. pellets review. Haven't yet seen you use them on any videos. Great work and love the videos. Stay safe and keep up the good work, we appreciate it 👌
I am amazed, you are so well spoken Nat Geo needs to have you narrate EVERYTHING, great job and excellent to listen too; David Attenborough watch out.......
I liked your video I have a 12lb Remington express .177 and I was looking for a better pellet than a cheap set , very detailed but also didn't take all day to get to the point :)
I have the same gun what pellets do you use? I have the bisley magnums and they are quite good but I want more distance so I might go for the Hunter extreme although I have the terminators also
DEAR ANDY, WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY INTERESTING TO HAVE INCLUDED THE .20 WITH THIS EXACT TEST!! WOULD THE F.A.C. .20 HAVE GIVEN YOU THE BEST OF BOTH! >NO ONE EVER SEEMS TO GIVE THE .20 MUCH OF A REVIEW/CHANCE!! ANY CHANCE OF DOING A RETEST?? ANOTHER GREAT REVIEW. MICK FROM SURREY.
Hi so I have a 22 gamo breakbarell elite. On recommendation whats your opinion on witch pellet is best to use for hunting /target practice . Your videos are very informative and to the point . Chears
Once again you have knocked this out of the park. Great video and comparison. I use Daisy Hollow Points in .177 and in .22 for everything. I don’t shoot farther than 50 yards and they hold sub 1” groups. 900 FPS is about the speed you need and slower. If you push past these speeds you just have to close distance.
Great video! I would love to hear your thoughts on the copper-coated pellets, manufacturers like Norica and others are claiming a 20% increase in speed and that they are better at long range. But some voices out there on the internet are saying that the copper-coated pellets can damage your barrel. I'm new to PCP guns so I'd very much like to know what the facts are in this matter. I just ordered a Dreamline (.177) 24J. But I'm not too sure about what pellets I should use. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
The HN Excite Hammers in .177 can be fuzzy to shoot and HN got quality shifts from batch to batch, but out to 30m my Weihrauchs turn them into usable groups, my SMK are okay with them, my Diana springs seems to hate them like your FAC. They are plinking pellets after all, maybe good for some FT/HFT training or am minor match with a rifle that likes them. My HW97 can keep them within a beer cap out to 50m, with a little sorting up front. So one could use them when on a budget. Also got couple sticks of them in .22 since they grouped well with anything from my 2240 as PR900 or HW100 - that why I bought the stock of my go to shop up after testing a can from their lot. I'm also a bit surprised by the performance of the JSB Straton, I have been testing them with springer as pcp and they group well with my sub FAC rifles, better then the pointed HN or RWS at least. Very interesting testing results - thanks for going so over into detail!
For my beeman, rws superdomes are the best hunting pellet (USA Laws apply). I dont use 22 now. For info; Beeman 10616, 0.31" groups @ 30 yards. 998 fps with RWS 8.3 gr Superdome Field Line pellets, 18.3 fpe, silencer, 28 lb cocking, no droop, has open sights, very quiet. Nine pounds with scope. I shoot it like a deer rifle. Test group shouldered with front rest, light grip, 9x scoped. Jsb shoots no better but costs 5x more. The gun out shoots me even as a marksman. Much fun, smooth quiet spring, love this gun. Added a Tasco 3-9x 40mm AO scope and sling, a whopping $190 total package. Comes with a scope good for 20 yds or less. RWS superdomes are 2.6 cents each. They work well at low and high velocities. The gun is rated at 1,200 fps and shoots 1,085 fps with 7.0 gr lead pellets. Gotta love German engineering.
H&N crow magnum in fac are excellent 177cal hunting pellets also barracuda hunter, which in my opinion are better in expansion and accuracy over the hunter extreme pellet.
-- Have some H&M domed .22 pellets. I like them well enough, but I'd like more deformation at a little more speed. (It's a Gamo G2 Swarm Maxim) I built as a 15-20 yard gun. Squirrels, Skunks and Racoons. So I'm trying a Gamo 15 grain 'redfire' pellet next in it. Before anyone says that's not enough for Racoons. You're right. I don't care about being humane with them. They attack my dogs and my kids. But I do get the .22mag out for them when I can. Anyway the H&M I have are some 21.3 grains off the top of my head - probably wrong, but close, and the rifle is sighted for them. Slower, heavier, but accurate and they hit hard. Chronograph tells me 780fps. These Redfires are 15 grains, so I'm guessing somewhere around 1000fps when I get and chrono them. But that little polymer tip for a bit of barrier blindness, and maybe, just maybe some additional accuracy, coupled with the HP expansion ... well the theory is they might compliment the gun and intended range better. 20-30 yards, 90 percent Squirls that get into our houses, and wood peckers. I think they're both sound choices. Interested in what will work better. Just my thought process. Killed a squirl the other day from about 25 yards with the H&M. Through the spine, lung, out the chest (firing from an elevated position). Squill lived for 8 minutes. It went up a tree, died and fell. I couldn't follow on to put it out of it's misery because people and property were at risk. Wasn't happy watching it shutter for 8 minutes. Trying something new.
Hi Andy, off topic sorry, I got a gamo boxer after watching your review. I notice that the shroud has a good deal of flex e.g. quite easy to make it flex till it makes contact with the air cyclinder. Does this amount of flex not hurt accuracy? I know barrels are very stiff so presumably the barrel isn't moving, just the shroud body?
That was a very good comparison. Excellent enjoyed watching it. I don't know if they have Crosman destroyers over there in England. But if they do could you do a test on them? I've had great results in both .177 and .22 caliber.
I'm a bit confused about the energy of the rifles. In Sweden we talk about meters per second and joules of force. (maximum license free being 10 joules and 200 meters per second) What is the energy and speed output on the. 177 rifles used in the rest?
Sorry to ask maybe I'm dumb enough not to understand some of the video, how come the same pellet pile driver first penetrated little and than the second time penetrated twice the amount ? what has changed ? Thank you.
Personally I shoot .177 JSB Exacts through both my hw110 and hw110k as they produce a sub 1/2 inch group at 30 yards @ sub 12ft/lb as I prefer terminal headshot for hunting. A body shot is more likely to injure quarry which for me is a no no.
Finally a review that recognised .177 is good for accurate hunting, I sold all my .22's and replaced them with .177, never looked back...
Caliber has nothing to do with it… just how good your barrel is and the ammo you use.
never look back while shooting
I prefer .177 cal vs. .22 cal
.177 is flatten than .22 cal
@@TheDrZero in sub 12 yes it is, at higher FPS with a heavier pellet, the bigger caliber has a higher Ballistic Coefficient, higher BC equals flyer trajectory.
Not going to lie this is the best most very well detailed video I’ve ever found
Foreal
Truth... How refreshing!
The problem with this test is that when you're hunting small game, you're not shooting through inches of flesh. You very quickly hit denser material, including bone, which causes very different pellet deformation to that indicated by ballistic gel.
and perhaps the broken bone also adds to flesh damage when hitting head area
If I ever bag any bunny's whilst out hunting I use their heads to test pellets. My BSA scorpion 177 loves h&n barracuda hunter extremes.
@@bettaatrium7156 Try BSA Interceptor for sub 12 Ft. Lbs. in .177.
But if you hit your target in more vulnerable areas, you drastically reduce that
Hi Mr AAR, I just want to let you know, that I really enjoy, and look forward to your videos. You are quite entertaining and I think you present an honest review of what ever your video is about, and when you have an opinion, you let us know that is your opinion. You are one of my favorite UA-cam People. THANK YOU,
Don from Pennsylvania USA
I've always thought that so called 'hunting' pellets are not much more than a gimmick. For me, the number one priority for any pellet being used on live quarry is accuracy. People comment about over penetration and not all of the energy from a pellet being imparted to a target as a result. Personally, I've never seen a rabbit walk away from a shot that puts a hole in its head from one side right through to the other.
I feel the same, and would go with the JSB Exact's. The humane way is to put the pellet right in the brain, I wouldn't take a shot if I wasn't 100% sure of that. And no small or even medium quarry can walk away from that.
@@flow5718 Can you please help me sir? I want to get a Weihrauch. Will a Weirauch hw80 with 22 cal, kill a rabbit if the pellet hits the body? I can only use open sights, scopes are not allowed here.. Will the hw80 kill if I miss the head and hit the body, or choose the HW95 with 177, which it will still be without a scope (only open sights). Which one would be better?
@@greekveteran2715 Definitely go with the 22 cal for hunting, a 177 has to be spot on in the brain for it to do its job, a 22 is more forgiving, and does body shots much better but you still have to get the heart or lungs. And it does increase the animal's suffering as it won't be insta killed. Practice until you can hit a coin from 10 yards away 9 times out of 10, learn the anatomy of the animal and read hunting forums for advice on where to place the shot. You can get pretty good with an open sight under 10 yards but above that, it just doesn't offer the level of accuracy I prefer. The rules around scopes are vague at best, so you can catch a combo deal sometimes from a manufacturer or reseller, it depends. In most places with scope restriction they're not allowed to sell a rifle with a scope, but they're allowed to sell it separately, so look for combo deals or sellers specializing in just scopes and accessories. But starting out, I'd recommend practicing your iron sights and then moving onto peep sight for slightly better accuracy. Once you've mastered those, move to scopes. It's a big change that.
@@flow5718 Best help I could ever had! I thought I would never add optics, but today, I found out that local people use optics, so... I guess I'll take your advice! I really appriciate it, thank you very much!!
i was thinking exactly the same. accuracy is more important for shoot placement. one in the head and is gone dont matter for the penetration or deformation the impact is enough to knock him down. it happens to me one with a co2 air rifle.
Thank you Andy, for this test, as well as the test for .22 caliber
Andy is the best person I have ever seen reviewing guns and all its accessories, well done Andrew
I’ve recently switched from the JSB exact 8.44gr to QYS streamlined 9.56gr. At 40yards they’re pellet on pellet in my hw100.
Absolutely love them and well worth checking out :)
Andy, thank you for the amazing video. Very detailed and i appreciated how you included pictures of the tin during each testing phase for easy reference. It makes it easy to watch and follow and will allow for easy quick reference if i am shopping in the store. Have a good one.
Thanks for the amazing videos! The information within helps us understand the performance and characteristics of difference pellets, something which we only know through trial and error. Priceless 👍🏼
A very well made video. Felt like in a classroom, learning something. Thank you. All your videos are very very informative.
Extremely useful and methodical ammunition review and analysis! Thank you for taking the mystery and guess work out the pellet selection. Cheers 👍😊
Waited for this test. Nice done. I got a FAC in 4,5mm shooting only JSB Exact Monster 13,43gr. The trajectory of 4,5mm is excellent. Regards from Slovenia.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one trying different pellets out that when the testing was complete it looked like I was patterning a shotgun.
Your channel will be wildly successful for the same reasons John Cleese is always doing voice overs congratulations
I use barracuda hunter extreme in my BSA Scorpion SE 177. Over 40 - 50 yards range they have no problems with Rats, Phesants, Ducks, Quails, Rabbits, and Hares. Best hunting pellets I've ever used👍
Just found your channel today. You have done the best job of testing and explained the results.
I'd like to say this was a very well made video and informative. Also I appreciate the fact that this isn't sponsored which could add bias. I should also add I'm in the US.
I have the Crosman Venom Dusk pellet rifle and would usually just target shoot with it. The pellets I used were the Beeman Silver arrows at 11.57 grains. I haven't chronographed it but it is probably 900+ FPS.
I decided I'd like to go squirrel hunting and I wanted to find a pellet that wouldn't over penetrate and pass through. I also wanted good expansion. After researching on forums and by watching videos like yours I decided to try the H&N Terminator. They were far lighter at 7.25 grains and I really wasn't expecting these to be acceptable as far as accuracy.
I cleaned and lubed my rifle last night. I went to the 25 yard indoor range this morning. I had to make numerous adjustments to my scope as it was zeroed with the Silver Arrows. I was pleasantly surprised with the accuracy of the Terminator pellets. Once zeroed I was able to shoot a five shot group, all touching, that measured about 3/4". Thanks for taking the time to make these videos.
Awesome video! I will be picking up tins of .177 and .22 Terminator pellets :) Thank you for posting this, you put a lot of effort into it.
I'd like to start this off by saying that I've been on a bit of a dive for pellet recommendations, but no reviews are actually any good, and I don't exactly have slabs of ballistic gel laying around.
This video is perfect, my dude. Thank you so much for actually making a decent review. I came here from another "Review" that was literally just marketing material.
Once again, thanks a ton, and keep up the great work!
Thanks for the great video. Very informative and well thought out
These videos are so good, I feel like I should watch it again whist taking notes, like a school lecture. I probably should actually
Instantly earned the like on that gel strike on the beat! Cracked a massive grin!
Just bought some H&N Baracudas after trying numerous others (Crosman Premier Hollow Points included which were recommended) in my cheap .177 Nova Vista gas ram.
Turns out my rifle isn’t rubbish. The grouping with the H&N’s after ~100 shots is fantastic.
Just ordered another 2 tins.
In my setup the. 177 piledriver shoots great and always tumbles inside the intended target. Drops everything its hit so far.
never used the .177 Ultra Shocks, BUT... my .22 caliber, 34 ft/lb Benjamin Marauder absolutely LOVES the Ultra Shock pellets. they group like a laser beam, deform massively, and i can confirm their lethal efficacy on small game
Excellent follow-on to the .22 test Andy.
For me, Bisley Magnums do a great job in both my HW100 and Huntsman Regal. Very accurate and consistent, but they do tend to 'drill through' quarry. (Even at 12 ft/lb) This is quite useful for heart/lung shots on avian pests, when a head shot is not an option. I think the old guidance of '.22 for fur and .177 for feather' has some grounding!
I just wish I had a Huntsman Classic in .20!
Thanks for your efforts, and keep them coming.
Fantastic information, thank you for the detailed review, 177 FAC looks surprisingly useful
Have been looking forward to this review, thanks for another great one.
I shot a Beeman springer for better than a decade running about 11-11.5 ft/lb. My go to pellet was the H&N Crow Magnum. I routinely got expansion even in that power level when recovering them occasionally if I happened to not have complete pass throughs on game.
I shot the terminators some, but the crow magnums were definitely my favorite. My gun shot them better than my brothers and my buddies, but they both ran different model springers. Both of which also liked the pellet but not as much as my gun. Likely in a higher powered gun they'd basically disintegrate or flatten very quickly and have minimal penetration. I feel they would be best suited to stay under 20 or maybe 25ft lb MAX. But I'd love to see them in gel, 177 and 22 cal.
Excellent material, as always!
What about a test of this kind with springer rifles? I know that PCP are more accurate, but many of us prefer the simplicity of a good springer, like TX200/ProSport, HW77/97, LGU/LGV, which, here in Portugal, we can buy with either 16J or 20J.
I would love to see such test!
I second the notion and would like to add a Hatsan 95 Vortex .177 to the list
Fantastic video. Very detailed and informative. Glad that you included both sub 12 and FAC rifles which shows how the same pellets react differently. This earned a like and a sub from me and I’m going to go back and watch more of your vids. Cheers from Canada, eh?
very useful video for a beginner like me, have subbed to show support. Funny story for you, i was a student in Nottingham years ago, and my halls of residence were next door to Drapers! All these years later i'm watching this! Best wishes from the south coast and love the Notts accent hahah! Makes me miss Hyson Green and Forrest Fields x
Love your comparisons, as always!
Andy my Career 707 .22 50fpe loves them out to 60yds past that the group really opens up. My .22 Sumatra Carbine and .22 Career 707 Carbine love the Ultra Shock too. But, past 50yds the groups open up. The Carbines are around 50fps also.
Great review really enjoyed it. Thanks my Brother
Thanks for the information and your wife’s hard work making the gel blocks.
As another noted, these are seriously informative videos you produce.Very well presented with clear and objective detail.
Great video Andy, those polymags are pin accurate up to 25 yards in my Daystate!
Interesting results, thank you! Odd, that the Hammers scored so low. I've been using them as a cheap alternative (and obviously not so good) for H&N Field Target Trophy with my HW97K (19J power) and at 30m they performed quite satisfyingly. Maybe their production quality is unstable.
The best review i've seen by a long time.
Great video man, I use the piledrivers ,shooting at 28ftlbs, and they group quite well. I use a hatsan galatian
I think something everyone should take in to consideration is you’re more than likely going to be hitting bone rather than flesh if you’re going for headshots so the expansion would be more significant for both calibre sub 12ft/lb guns.
Just catching up on some of your videos Andy, really enjoy the comparison type videos you post. As a suggestion for a future review how about doing a comparison type test focusing on the bisley range of pellets?
I had a lot of success on Rabbits out to 35 yards with .177 RWS Hobby. As a bonus they are fairly cheap.
Like always... shot placement and choosing a pellet that is accurate out of your rifle are the most important things.
My faves as an FT shooter are JSB Exacts and Crossman Accupel as all 3 of my FT rifles perform well with them.
Jsb exacts rule. No joke.
Personally as a target shooter, I have shot Predator Polymag, as they came with the gun when it was bought from someone else. I shot them through a Umarex Beretta Licensed Cx4 Storm 7.5J. They were incredibly accurate out of that gun, after cleaning the barrel.
Great fun and informative, thank you sir! Cheers from the Netherlands 👍🍻
Well I’m gonna spend some serious $$$ buying all of these to see which pellet my gun likes. Thanks for narrowing them down Andy.
I got a webley nemesis myself. Let me know what your one likes I need new pellets myself
That was what I learned also, buy a ton of variety and see what your gun likes.
Yet another nice review Andy. Can I ask why you swapped between the Exact and the Exact Heavy? I use the Heavy in sub 12 as it is accurate and has better down range energy. Both are very accurate in my set up.
Agreed. Both my sub 12 177 rifles love the heavies (hw97k & fx impact x).
Love your tests, my old Huntsman loves Bisley Magnums, but they have to be 4.53, do all manufacturers specify the size?
Good info sir, in my country we are only allowed.177 but no restrictions on power good work
Comment #2.
After spending a year with two more guns (TX200HC and an RM8. Both in .177), and also viewing this vid again and again, I’ve convinced myself that no pellet manufacturer caters to sub 12ft/lbs wrt the claim of deformation. It just isn’t there. And so I go for accuracy all day long over a ‘hunting’ pellet that may or may not hit the kill zone.
Again, great video, Andy. 👍
You are so professional at your presenting ,interesting too .
Good information as always Andy. In your opinion what kind of velocity does it take at impact point to deform lead pellets . I’m not talking muzzle velocity but down range 20-30 yards. The 2020 shot show in Las Vegas JSB said they will be producing the hades in.177 possibility by summer. Thanks to you and the misses and crew.
How did you choose those 9 pellets? Why no Crosman pellets? I would have liked to see how the affordable pellets I can buy in store compare to all these expensive ones you have to order
Great video it would be nice to see how the the pellets perform if you put the gel at 40m as this is a realistic distance to shoot quarry at.
That video was very helpful since I am a beginner to this and I I still figuring out what pellets suit me
So happy I found your channel!
Thanks Andy for a nother great comparison, and Mrs AAR, for the gel. very interesting, and informative, Cheers
Outstanding quality review of pellets.
Andy. Do you find pellets called " Artemis Round Pellets " in the UK ?? I use those at my HW 77k sub 12 wich I tuned down from 18 fpe because of the cracking noise the gun had . Very accurate in both versions !!!!!! Just 5 pounds (for 500 pellets !!!!) from Krale Schietsport in the Netherlands . A nice shop ;))
Thanks for sharing the video !
Hi. Great videos 👍
Would you please at some point spent some time making playlists?
Divide pistol reviews from rifle reviews and so on.
It's a long list to go through looking for specific topics 😉
Have a great day
When I’m hunting I’ve already gotten used to this and I always hit the head but this was very helpful because I need to get a new hunting pellet because it doesn’t expand on impact and it kicks like a 22
I knew this video was gon be supreme with information when I heard the David Attenborough accent lol thanks mane! Excellent vid
This is a really great review and pellet test Andy! 👍
Both my 177 and my 22 cals love the terminators! For a very blunt looking pellet, i was surprised how well they group, like dime sized groups at 20 meters! 😯
And for a pellet that looks so much like the crosman destroyers, the accuracy results are quite a bit different. Im guessing its that little bit of extra weight that stabilizes them better.
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Spot on (NO BULL) bulls eye!!! Thanks, new subscriber.
Very good lesson. I use .177 polymags. To clear rats and squirrels out of the garden. It is rabbit season now and will use the .22 polymags to clear them out. How about the pellet that is topped with a steel BB? When I did gel tests on those. The BB would go one way and the pellet would deform and spin the other way. I have a beeman sportsman series that has interchangeable barrels. It is a break barrel gun and shoots 22s at 900fps. And 177 at 1200 fps.
I have one of the old style .177 caliber pump up single shot pellet guns . I haven't shot it in a long time because I have nowhere to do so . I like it because it is a very good gun and I always used the Crossman .177 pellets with the flat head and always killed what I was aiming at .
I haven't seen those brands in store, I guess they aren't really popular in southern california.
Thank you for this video
The JSB Ultra Shock shoot out of my Beeman R1 Magnum .177 caliber like a laser beam out to 50 yards. It also shoots the H&N Barracuda Hunter Extreme the same, H&N Crow Magnum, JSB Predator Polymag, & H&N Terminator. My barrel isn't fuzzy. All of these pellets mushroom great, and have the accuracy to back it up. I also shoot playing card in half with these from 10 yards, out to 50 yards. This is how my .177 caliber rifle shoots them, and not yours obviously. Good video. Just want people to know that the Ultra Shock's can be accurrate. Your barrel just has to like them.
Keep that gun.
@@peterbaugh51 It not going anywhere. I was shooting it yesterday after work. Still a laser beam.
Very interesting. I am just starting off as an FT and am looking for the right pellet. High grain or small grain? Wind effect on shape and grain. Thank you for this informative video.
This Video helps me a lot!
Thank you very much for the very well done video 🙏
Thanks for this test. Like your video's
Please could you do a range of rws 177. pellets review. Haven't yet seen you use them on any videos. Great work and love the videos. Stay safe and keep up the good work, we appreciate it 👌
Rws superdomes are my fav cuz the price is right! Great pellet. Hits hard, accurate to 30 yards with my 1377.
I am amazed, you are so well spoken Nat Geo needs to have you narrate EVERYTHING, great job and excellent to listen too; David Attenborough watch out.......
I liked your video I have a 12lb Remington express .177 and I was looking for a better pellet than a cheap set , very detailed but also didn't take all day to get to the point :)
I have the same gun what pellets do you use? I have the bisley magnums and they are quite good but I want more distance so I might go for the Hunter extreme although I have the terminators also
@@T888TYL I use the simple daisy pellets the package with 3 different styles of pellets in the container (flat , round , and hunting)
DEAR ANDY, WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY INTERESTING TO HAVE INCLUDED THE .20 WITH THIS EXACT TEST!! WOULD THE F.A.C. .20 HAVE GIVEN YOU THE BEST OF BOTH! >NO ONE EVER SEEMS TO GIVE THE .20 MUCH OF A REVIEW/CHANCE!! ANY CHANCE OF DOING A RETEST?? ANOTHER GREAT REVIEW. MICK FROM SURREY.
Hi so I have a 22 gamo breakbarell elite. On recommendation whats your opinion on witch pellet is best to use for hunting /target practice .
Your videos are very informative and to the point . Chears
Once again you have knocked this out of the park. Great video and comparison. I use Daisy Hollow Points in .177 and in .22 for everything. I don’t shoot farther than 50 yards and they hold sub 1” groups. 900 FPS is about the speed you need and slower. If you push past these speeds you just have to close distance.
Great video! I would love to hear your thoughts on the copper-coated pellets, manufacturers like Norica and others are claiming a 20% increase in speed and that they are better at long range.
But some voices out there on the internet are saying that the copper-coated pellets can damage your barrel. I'm new to PCP guns so I'd very much like to know what the facts are in this matter.
I just ordered a Dreamline (.177) 24J. But I'm not too sure about what pellets I should use. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Well said Andy!!! Budget pellets aren't the best... I've bought cheap ones like that and they are a waist of time and money.
Hello good video ! And JSB HADES ? :( it's the best pellet for hunting in .177
Another great review. I use Hunter Extreme through my .177 sub 12ftlb Ultimate Sporter, but my FAC equivalent loves the Heavy Sovereigns at 10.3gn.
The HN Excite Hammers in .177 can be fuzzy to shoot and HN got quality shifts from batch to batch, but out to 30m my Weihrauchs turn them into usable groups, my SMK are okay with them, my Diana springs seems to hate them like your FAC. They are plinking pellets after all, maybe good for some FT/HFT training or am minor match with a rifle that likes them. My HW97 can keep them within a beer cap out to 50m, with a little sorting up front. So one could use them when on a budget. Also got couple sticks of them in .22 since they grouped well with anything from my 2240 as PR900 or HW100 - that why I bought the stock of my go to shop up after testing a can from their lot.
I'm also a bit surprised by the performance of the JSB Straton, I have been testing them with springer as pcp and they group well with my sub FAC rifles, better then the pointed HN or RWS at least.
Very interesting testing results - thanks for going so over into detail!
For my beeman, rws superdomes are the best hunting pellet (USA Laws apply). I dont use 22 now. For info; Beeman 10616, 0.31" groups @ 30 yards. 998 fps with RWS 8.3 gr Superdome Field Line pellets, 18.3 fpe, silencer, 28 lb cocking, no droop, has open sights, very quiet. Nine pounds with scope. I shoot it like a deer rifle. Test group shouldered with front rest, light grip, 9x scoped. Jsb shoots no better but costs 5x more. The gun out shoots me even as a marksman. Much fun, smooth quiet spring, love this gun. Added a Tasco 3-9x 40mm AO scope and sling, a whopping $190 total package. Comes with a scope good for 20 yds or less. RWS superdomes are 2.6 cents each. They work well at low and high velocities. The gun is rated at 1,200 fps and shoots 1,085 fps with 7.0 gr lead pellets. Gotta love German engineering.
A wise man once said, "If you can't hit the darn thing, it' not a hunting pellet". Well something like that. I agree.
Hi A.. did you clean and lube any of the pellets?
H&N crow magnum in fac are excellent 177cal hunting pellets also barracuda hunter, which in my opinion are better in expansion and accuracy over the hunter extreme pellet.
-- Have some H&M domed .22 pellets. I like them well enough, but I'd like more deformation at a little more speed. (It's a Gamo G2 Swarm Maxim) I built as a 15-20 yard gun. Squirrels, Skunks and Racoons. So I'm trying a Gamo 15 grain 'redfire' pellet next in it.
Before anyone says that's not enough for Racoons. You're right. I don't care about being humane with them. They attack my dogs and my kids. But I do get the .22mag out for them when I can.
Anyway the H&M I have are some 21.3 grains off the top of my head - probably wrong, but close, and the rifle is sighted for them. Slower, heavier, but accurate and they hit hard. Chronograph tells me 780fps. These Redfires are 15 grains, so I'm guessing somewhere around 1000fps when I get and chrono them. But that little polymer tip for a bit of barrier blindness, and maybe, just maybe some additional accuracy, coupled with the HP expansion ... well the theory is they might compliment the gun and intended range better. 20-30 yards, 90 percent Squirls that get into our houses, and wood peckers. I think they're both sound choices. Interested in what will work better. Just my thought process.
Killed a squirl the other day from about 25 yards with the H&M. Through the spine, lung, out the chest (firing from an elevated position). Squill lived for 8 minutes. It went up a tree, died and fell. I couldn't follow on to put it out of it's misery because people and property were at risk. Wasn't happy watching it shutter for 8 minutes. Trying something new.
Interesting results. The only pellet missing from your arsenal is the JSB hades pellets, especially since they are made for hunting.
True, but this video is around 7 years old and they weren’t around at the time, maybe this needs a revamp. Stay safe.
Hi Andy, off topic sorry, I got a gamo boxer after watching your review. I notice that the shroud has a good deal of flex e.g. quite easy to make it flex till it makes contact with the air cyclinder. Does this amount of flex not hurt accuracy? I know barrels are very stiff so presumably the barrel isn't moving, just the shroud body?
Fantastic video really enjoyed it,
That was a very good comparison. Excellent enjoyed watching it. I don't know if they have Crosman destroyers over there in England. But if they do could you do a test on them? I've had great results in both .177 and .22 caliber.
I'm a bit confused about the energy of the rifles. In Sweden we talk about meters per second and joules of force. (maximum license free being 10 joules and 200 meters per second) What is the energy and speed output on the. 177 rifles used in the rest?
Sorry to ask maybe I'm dumb enough not to understand some of the video, how come the same pellet pile driver first penetrated little and than the second time penetrated twice the amount ?
what has changed ? Thank you.
sir,did you shoot all the bullets with the same gun or not?
There weren't any links for me. I wanted to see the ballistic gel one most. Thanks. Loved watching another of your great videos
It's in the .22 cal test vid.
Here you go.
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So what would be the difference between the H&N Hornets and Predator Metalmags, like I guess the metal mags have more of a mushroom shape?
Personally I shoot .177 JSB Exacts through both my hw110 and hw110k as they produce a sub 1/2 inch group at 30 yards @ sub 12ft/lb as I prefer terminal headshot for hunting. A body shot is more likely to injure quarry which for me is a no no.
Agree 100%. Jsb, rws, wow scary accurate. Can kill 8# ground hog with 1377 pistol, brain shot at 12 yards. Done that.
Beautiful definition Thank you so much Sir,.. 👍❤️
Good review ... exact or air arms for me diablo. I have played around with loads of pellets. accuracy and repeatability is key for me on 12 ftlbs.
Really helpful, thanks a load for doing my homework!