Really anything that has to do with maximizing some sort of physical capabilities is absolutely affected by genetics at the top level. Unless an abhorrent amount of tests/longitudinal research is done for this game specifically, you'll never be able to measure how much of an effect genes have on players. Kinda like how some people have better VO2 maxes for running which predispose them to excel at long distances more, but even then, it's not an *exact* measurement. Anyone who says genetics don't have an effect on really any rhythm game otherwise have either never done a sport in their life, or have never followed or studied sports that often. Honestly, there's really no point in speculating imo. The "proper" research will never be done, and even if it is, it will most likely just lead to the conclusion that most of us have had in the first place, and that it plays a role to some degree since muscle memory, muscle development, and hand-eye coordination are all fundamental things that can be affected by genetics, but it's not an end-all, be-all type of thing since rhythm games practices and skill progression curves are still continuing to develop today. Just train harder, train smarter, and get gud.
Do genetics matter? Short answer: yes Long answer: While genetics may matter in improving, if you keep a good mindset and keep playing, results will definitely show. If you tell yourself that you can't improve because of bad genetics, that is when you really will not improve.
"if you keep a good mindset and keep playing, results will definitely show" if you keep a good mindset and keep playing, results will **PROBABLY** show I have 800 hours and have been focusing on improving streams for like 200 hours now and have gone from not being able to consistently stream 160 to not being able to stream 17p consistently
@@warpromo6636 I don’t think you understand that m2k is a top player with below average genes that studied non stop to become a top player in melee. Anything is possible if you put your back into it
@@ZachStarAttack Well I would argue both options are bad, but at least if you overestimate yourself you may accomplish something compared to someone who does nothing because they always find excuses.
I have shit acc but I'm fuckin inhuman with speed Like not with blue switches(I suck at not bottoming out) but with any light switches like razer ones(I'm getting silvers ;D) So anyways on my friends razer huntsman and did 300 bpm
Genetics still play a big role, I have average eye to hand coordination (I think that's what it's called) but my aim is improving at a much faster rate which caused me to be stuck having to memorize certain patterns bec I have no idea how am I hitting anything on the screen. I tried playing a map while only staring at the center and I did almost just as good as I usually do. I'm sorry I'm not good at explaining what's in my head but I just want you to understand that no matter how much you work, if someone works as hard as you do and he has better genetics he's gonna be better than you
@@mathguy7612 exactly. people are usually on one of the extreme ends of the spectrum, either ''Genetics don't matter at all and it's just that they play a lot'' or ''They're good because they have good genetics''
Dude I love your videos Ever since your 4th video I have been playing I took 2 months off (no computer lol) I am starting to get 100 pp plays now XD Thank you for introducing me to this cool community :)
Isn’t this supposed to be the guy that doesn’t research his vids? Nah but fr, your improvement since your first vids are so evident and this really is well-researched and presented, good job man
Hey, you make some pretty nice vids yourself. I've been watching you for a bit now, and I think more people should check you out lol. You know a lot about the game and want to share that knowledge. "And I think that's pretty awesome"
Another thing that people don't seem to talk as much is about how much your health matter when it comes to improving and learning when it comes to anything really. Your brain and your muscles require not only training to develop but also nutrients and rest, having a sufficient intake of calcium, potassium and sodium can greatly improve how your neurons perform, sleep as well. Meanwhile your muscles would usually require good sugar (mainly for a short-tem efficiency) and protein (for development and long-term). Other nutrients obviously also help like a bunch of vitamins and other minerals. It's always good to keep in mind your health, your eating habits and your sleep. Also a good training dedicated for specific aspects of osu can help a lot more than just simply "play more" at random (or spamming farm maps and relying more on luck than on actual muscle memory) A good mindset can also help a lot as it keeps your routine going and mood does affect your performance in just about everything (even if minimally) So take care of yourself and love yourself and PlAy MoRe
Great video! Much better than your first one on genetics. I guess the real take away for me is to go at your own pace. I am about rank 18k and I've been playing for 2 years. I know people who improved slower than me and I know many who improved faster. At the end of the day, osu is just a game. I think most football players don't get discouraged because they aren't as good as Ronaldo; they play because football is fun. It is really cool to watch top players dominate, but I think it is just as rewarding to see yourself grow as a player no matter how "slow" your improvement is.
The genetics argument is literally the same as in the fitness industry Whenever someone sees someone with an epic body they are like “oh they have better genetics” Kinda funny to see the parrellels
Clicked on the video, youtube immediately gave me an ad for a drink that's supposed to improve gaming skill. edit: after watching the video, I can honestly agree with the idea of genetics being an unknown factor. So many players would just blame it on bad genetics and starting osu! too late for improvement. While this could certainly be true, the mindset itself is going to be a bigger block to improvement than genetics(at least, I'm pretty sure).
Well from what I see genetics do exist, but idk how, but if you pay attention to top players you'll realize why they are good on playing osu, and from what I know you'll improve faster in osu if you find the map that would make you comfortable to another map, also daily activities and health affects improvement in osu from what I know. Also if you want to know something what I found interesting from top players in osu why they are good in playing on osu is, they drink coffee and coffee have lots of good effects for osu like improving your focus, it'll make you feel more productive ect. As I just mentioned daily activities have an impact on your improvements in osu, also sleep greatly affects your improvement in osu so be sure to take a lot of good sleep if you have time. Sorry for broken English Edit: also left handed people are great in visualization so they must be very great in coordination
These days i was wondering whether could use the studies and research we have to get somewhere on the point of genetics applied to osu, and that's what your video is about. I've seen your last video and spazza's one and i think this one can conclude the topic, ...but more videos about genetics are always welcome xd Great video!!!
I can say with confidence that I broke my own barrier in both single tap speed, and stream consistency. I haven't broke the 220bpm stream barrier yet so I can speak of stream speed yet. I NEVER thought i'd be able to single tap above 200 bpm, but even when I was learning to single tap (starting from 175bpm, where I was alt-ing farm maps that were up to 210) I quickly went up to single tapping 200-210 and after getting consistency over the last 3 months was easily able to single tap 220-230. Now that I am back to practicing single tapping I went from 230 absolute max to in some cases 260-270. (mostly because I started reading AR9 +DT better) just from about a week of deliberate practice. Prior to this I was deliberately practicing streaming as well as overall consistency at my comfortable bpm range (170-200 on streams, 170-225 on everything else) which I worked at for about 2 weeks and managed to go from a B rank decent combo pass on ange du blanc pur (5*) to a 97% FC, which probably is the worst of my improvement proofs, but is the only thing in my top 100. To the point where even now where I've been using 240bpm single tapping as a way to train stamina I even got a 2.3k combo on above the winter moonlight (6.39*). that would've been above 98% acc if I hadn't started shaking as much as I did.
I don't know if this has to anything with this video, but when I started the game I could consistently play 3 star maps from the get go and within a week I could pass 4 star maps. My improvement has slowed down since but it's interesting to see my friends who are new to the game and they can't even pass a 2 stars. This is a really interesting topic and I enjoyed the video man, keep it up!
Amazing video, only thing bothering me was the blanket term "rx makes everything exponentially easier". Yes, RX removes most if not all complexity of songs, changes in rhythm, etc. It also removes any skill involved in difficult long/high bpm streams. What RX doesn't take away is the tracking required for those streams, *most* of the accuracy involved in doing difficult jumps (most 1-2 jumps excluded as they're ridiculously easy to aim half the time), and the reading required to play most of the song properly. You can say it's just a dumbed down version of another, but if you genuinely try pushing your limit with RX, it helps improve aim consistency, and (at least in my experiences) has helped improve my ability to read and aim difficult patterns. I personally don't think I would of improved my aim to where I am today if I didn't take a break from playing "normal" osu, to play RX for ~2 months. Edit: If you look at most 9* maps (good example but not 9* is Go Go Carlito), the rhythm complexity is close to what you would see in a 5* map, except with 8* jumps. So to say being good at the game requires a deep understanding of complex rhythms doesn't make sense, as PP isn't weighted on rhythm complexity (probably should be to some extent IMO).
Why is nobody talking about experiences from different games and so on? There are so many factors that are often forgotten. While genetics are the nearly only used excuse, there are actually so many more excuses (other then time invested or learning plans). Your whole past also changes your current (learning as well as actual) ability's immensely.
The biggest difference I see in osu with deliberate improvement is the fact that a player who does nothing but farm the same difficulty maps will obviously improve their aim, but past that they will probably end up sticking to the same difficulty maps until their rank gain stops them from doing so. If another player were to do nothing but focus on improving their abilities, there would be a larger gap than 20~%
True but I was able to get up to 210 bpm streams by losing the sausage fingers so basically I am immune to genetics and my entire skillset is dependant on my bmi
This video can be summarized by a line from tokaku- "Think of it like a skill cap increase" but an almost untouchable skill cap where it doesn't matter much as it stands
i think that the point in genetics is not if they affect your skill or not but if you are gonna use it as an excuse to not being able to do something or a reason to give up when you keep blaming everything but yourself to your own mistakes and problems, thats your ego trying to protect you, if you keep blaming everything else you might give up or lose motivation to do the things you love so yeah stop blaming everything else
I started in June 2020, I'm #288k rn. I don't farm though, I might just out of curiosity, but if I'm going to submit a play especially one on a farm map, it has to have at least 95% acc and be an fc. That's my mindset, and tbh, I don't mind if it takes me some time to get to 5 digit, I want to improve and let the pp come to me. Like Nalian said, Skill = PP, PP doesn't = skill.
Tip: Dont look at global leaderboards, only local leaderboards, the more time you spend competing with yourself, the better. Also, aim high. Have goals that you believe are possible but will take weeks or even months to achieve
@@Garfield_Osu Oh for sure. I've been wanting to FC Rubik's Cube [5x5x5] with HRHD for a month, and I finally fced it yesterday. 99% accuracy, 102pp. Yes it's a 4* with HR on but I had so many chokes on it, it's laughable. I sometimes go look at maps that are a bit far out of my skill range but not too far and see how well I can do on them. Then I set myself out to improve just so I can get the score I want on those maps. Idc how long it takes as long as I can get the score I want.
@@rudyranger249 You don't have to play offline, just don't compare yourself to other players. It's good to play online to get stats added to your account even if you don't care about submitting scores to bancho
The thing is tapping to the beat is not a problem, I'v been playing for a month now and I can stream at 300bpm, The only problem is, I can't do jumps on 6 star maps because of my shitty mouse and my right wrist doesn't seem to like snapping back and forth repeatedly (but I think thats just me being unfit lol)
Love how you were more though and less decisive this time. Last video felt like you were try to prove that it exists while this one ask if it does exist.
while i agree that Yaong is a really substancial player in the game's history, bringing attention to his name once again means giving him another platform, and we know what happened the last time that happened
Genetics and talent truly dont matter much, sure they matter a bit but nowhere near as much as people think. The saying goes "Practice doesnt make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect." The real issue with people not understanding how to improve at osu is that 90% of the people who play it are around the age of 10-20 and have never physically trained any part of their body. There are right and wrong ways to go about practicing, and saying "just play the game" isn't super helpful. If anyone has done research into physical training you'll know there are certain ways to exploit the mind and bodys way of improving. For example: Always warm up. Practice several times a day with the intention of improving certain aspects of your play. TAKE BREAKS sometimes several days at a time the mind still processes information for hours and days after you do something, it even happens while you sleep. And for that exact reason if you can only practice once a day make sure it is before you go to sleep since it will be fresh on your mind and thus will be the first thing your brain works on rewiring itself to do (Im not a physical therapist so im not exactly sure how it works but if you're interested there is TONS of research and science to back this up.) There are tons of ways to improve that have yet to be used in the Osu! community and when people start practicing properly the types of plays you will see will almost certainly be inhuman. Im so excited for it. And I think thats pretty awesome.
For older players mental elasticity is a huge factor of genetics that affect osu (and many games) some people can have really good genes and will be able to learn the game at a much older age (~20), and some people won’t be able to play if they start after the age of 12 or so
My conclusion is that you cannot know how much you have been blessed by genetics until you have taken time to develop the skills affected by the said genetics. That is, before you start blaming your (poor) performance in genetics, first start actually trying to develop them. I feel that deliberate practice is of a lot of importance, whether you have the right genetic composition or not I also have the idea that a lot of us might just not be applying the knowledge that actually leads to improvement, for example, a lot of people doesn't realize that you have to start from the basics (and it's not just 6 digits who do that, in some aspects even higher rank players doesn't realize this). Other things like mindset, how we learn (and we can improve our learning) etc. There's just a lot of untapped potential for people to learn besides their genetics. (I hope this is not hard to understand, sometimes my english comes out weird)
my personal oppinioe is that genetics are nothing compared to the devotion of a player who puts all of himself to improve, for me a player who becomes top player after many sacrifices and devotion will remain more and more impressive than a player who is boosted by genetics , in the end, genetics are just a small boost that can be surpassed by anyone with the right commitment
i dropped all progress for 2 months xD sometimes it’s just not finding a good way to play, changing my playstyle i started climbing and was able to stream. it’s that easy
wrong. all improve different, to most of us are just about the same there's always those who so happen to be in their own but their still equal to you.
I mean, most part of genetics influence how long would you take to become a master. Only a tiny bit of genetics influence your 'human skill ceiling' which is a point that to this day no one has arrived to. So not having genetics only means that to arrive to the skill level of whitecat or any top player, or being better than them, you will take more time and practice than someone with talent (genetics). And that means that you can be as skillful or more skillful than someone with genetics if you practice enough. So good luck on your osu! grind if practicing and improving is what you find fun about playing, and pls enjoy game c:
I believe that genetics only plays a large factor when you get very good at something. The better and better you get at something the slower you will improve, the first 100 hours you put into osu will see you improving much more than the 100 hours after. The slight advantages that genetics can give you will only really become apparent when you are at the top and close to "mastering" the game. The case where people blame genetics on why they are not improving is completely flawed and I believe that if everyone tried to deliberately improve and practice osu, anyone could hit at the VERY least 4 digit.
The phrase “it’s just a game” is such a weak mindset. You are ok with what happened, losing, imperfection of a craft. When you stop getting angry after losing, you’ve lost twice. There’s always something to learn, and always room for improvement, never settle.
Something people are forgetting is past experience. Some people have already played rhythm games for years before playing osu. Other people are used to playing games that require aim so they are better at Osu when they start. Also I feel like time played is overlooked. Playcount isn't as reliable as hours. Some people are like "got 5 digit in 3 months" and people whine about how they suck because they aren't 5 digit after a year but it's because they have less time played.
you forget one thing related to tapping muscle fibers. does this matter? considering the fact that some of these dudes can stream 260 bpm for several minutes ( *cough cough* vaxei) it almost certainly is, for osu! youd need a really good mix of type 2 (fast twitch) muscle fibers which as a strength coach i can tell you is largely genetic, if you tried really REALLY hard you could maybe change 5-ish% of your muscle mass into a type of fast twitch fiber but if you were born to be a marathon runner your osu! skill is capped from day 1
I imagine genetics to have a coefficient to the rate of improvement to be alongside the magnitude of how much a given playtime is dedicated to improvement practice or just fun. I just wonder how large each of those coefficients are but I don't think there will ever be an answer.
genetics don’t decide if you can actually improve though imo, doesn’t matter if you can stream 170 instantly or can aim 6* jumps instantly if all you do is play stuff way outside your skill range or only play the same maps without anything outside your comfort zone
All I gotta say is: If you get into a video game with the goal of becoming one of the best instead of simple pleasure or enjoyment, you're just setting yourself up to be dissapointed. It may be depressing to think about but when it comes to sports, games, and almost any skill, there are only a limited amount of positions in the world class tier. So instead of worrying about things that are beyond your control, just try and be the best that you personally can be. TL:DR plz enjoy game :)
I had to stop playing osu because I hurt my fingers WAY TOO BADLY 2 times once in 2018 when I started playing the game a lot and once recently in 2020 when I picked up the game again. Both time I ended having my fingers so hurt I literally couldn't play osu anymore. So for me it's not even a matter of lack of practice or anything that I can't reach the top... it's a matter of health.
Merami's ancestors have been streaming on rocks to prepare him
and badeu's ancestors have been jumping on weirdly shaped rocks to prepare him
Meanwhile my ancestors just sitting arround and do nothing...
Chwezi their is a reason they are your ancestors
Belive in yourself anythinng is possible and you’ll always have people by your side ❤️
i sometimes stream on bread
@@CosmoBubblegum that was kinda out of nowhere.
Really anything that has to do with maximizing some sort of physical capabilities is absolutely affected by genetics at the top level. Unless an abhorrent amount of tests/longitudinal research is done for this game specifically, you'll never be able to measure how much of an effect genes have on players. Kinda like how some people have better VO2 maxes for running which predispose them to excel at long distances more, but even then, it's not an *exact* measurement. Anyone who says genetics don't have an effect on really any rhythm game otherwise have either never done a sport in their life, or have never followed or studied sports that often.
Honestly, there's really no point in speculating imo. The "proper" research will never be done, and even if it is, it will most likely just lead to the conclusion that most of us have had in the first place, and that it plays a role to some degree since muscle memory, muscle development, and hand-eye coordination are all fundamental things that can be affected by genetics, but it's not an end-all, be-all type of thing since rhythm games practices and skill progression curves are still continuing to develop today.
Just train harder, train smarter, and get gud.
well said brother
damn I love you Etienne
Your profile pic certainly matches the comment
plz enjoy game
Hey Ettiene well put, any idea when ur going to make a new rhythm game anomaly video? i really enjoyed they one you did on PiGuy314159
2:48 200 BPM SQUARE JUMNP PRACISCE ABSOLUTE GODMODE
LOL
Do genetics matter?
Short answer: yes
Long answer: While genetics may matter in improving, if you keep a good mindset and keep playing, results will definitely show. If you tell yourself that you can't improve because of bad genetics, that is when you really will not improve.
"if you keep a good mindset and keep playing, results will definitely show"
if you keep a good mindset and keep playing, results will **PROBABLY** show
I have 800 hours and have been focusing on improving streams for like 200 hours now and have gone from not being able to consistently stream 160 to not being able to stream 17p consistently
Genetics also play some part of your skill ceiling. This isn't just in osu though, but also in sports
@@Kettvnen and intelligence
Genetics can be game changing, but should never change your mindset. Believe in urself fellas
@@00ooo000o yea science doesn't exist, evolution is a lie, a religious god exists.
@@warpromo6636 I don’t think you understand that m2k is a top player with below average genes that studied non stop to become a top player in melee. Anything is possible if you put your back into it
Your mindset should be that some people are probably going to be carried. Not to live a fantasy where you believe in yourself
@@ZachStarAttack correction, your mindset should be a comparison against your former self, and what your are capable of, not what others can do
@@ZachStarAttack Well I would argue both options are bad, but at least if you overestimate yourself you may accomplish something compared to someone who does nothing because they always find excuses.
Here before bruhmasterL changes the thumbnail
Serch
Serch
Might as well keep it
Serch
Serch
Misleading title, ended up failing biology.
IM CRYINGGGGG
@@rvrbs259 me too my mom's gonna fuckin kill me
kekw
lmao
lol u suck, just get better genetics.
GENETICS AREN'T THE REASON YOU HAVE 87% ACC.
I feel personally called out
no, they are, i got predisposed to bad hearing
for me yes but also no, i have generational attention issues and a naturally increasing astigmatism in my genes
I have shit acc but I'm fuckin inhuman with speed
Like not with blue switches(I suck at not bottoming out) but with any light switches like razer ones(I'm getting silvers ;D)
So anyways on my friends razer huntsman and did 300 bpm
@@drateratonbutiamone2160 i don't think vision quality has anything to do with hand eye accuracy
I can't wait to be reincarnated as Korean and become an osu! rhythm champion!
Noobs be like: oooo he has good genetics
The player: “3.7 million play hours”
Genetics still play a big role, I have average eye to hand coordination (I think that's what it's called) but my aim is improving at a much faster rate which caused me to be stuck having to memorize certain patterns bec I have no idea how am I hitting anything on the screen. I tried playing a map while only staring at the center and I did almost just as good as I usually do. I'm sorry I'm not good at explaining what's in my head but I just want you to understand that no matter how much you work, if someone works as hard as you do and he has better genetics he's gonna be better than you
@@mathguy7612 exactly.
people are usually on one of the extreme ends of the spectrum, either ''Genetics don't matter at all and it's just that they play a lot'' or ''They're good because they have good genetics''
bros been playing for 422 years on osu 💀
Have a child with WhiteCat and you just get AngelCat, faster than the speed of light, his fingers have ascended to heaven.
That ending speach felt like something an anime protagonist would say in the last episode
Underrated comment? *YES*
Why doesn't this have more likes
@@seraphnightcore1227Haha, thanks
Dude I love your videos
Ever since your 4th video I have been playing
I took 2 months off (no computer lol)
I am starting to get 100 pp plays now XD
Thank you for introducing me to this cool community :)
what the heck is that improvement? whats your acc name
That conclusion was truly inspirational. Hope the best for you man
Here when the thumbnail is still serch in genetics
Me profusely sweating since I had to go to physical therapy for hand-eye coordination when I was younger. This is still a really well done video.
Isn’t this supposed to be the guy that doesn’t research his vids?
Nah but fr, your improvement since your first vids are so evident and this really is well-researched and presented, good job man
reserch*
Sepid ?
Hey, you make some pretty nice vids yourself. I've been watching you for a bit now, and I think more people should check you out lol. You know a lot about the game and want to share that knowledge. "And I think that's pretty awesome"
Another thing that people don't seem to talk as much is about how much your health matter when it comes to improving and learning when it comes to anything really.
Your brain and your muscles require not only training to develop but also nutrients and rest, having a sufficient intake of calcium, potassium and sodium can greatly improve how your neurons perform, sleep as well. Meanwhile your muscles would usually require good sugar (mainly for a short-tem efficiency) and protein (for development and long-term).
Other nutrients obviously also help like a bunch of vitamins and other minerals.
It's always good to keep in mind your health, your eating habits and your sleep.
Also a good training dedicated for specific aspects of osu can help a lot more than just simply "play more" at random (or spamming farm maps and relying more on luck than on actual muscle memory)
A good mindset can also help a lot as it keeps your routine going and mood does affect your performance in just about everything (even if minimally)
So take care of yourself and love yourself
and PlAy MoRe
This video was the perfect length for me to eat a pizza.
Thats pretty damn quick
Whole pizza or just a slice?
Great video! Much better than your first one on genetics. I guess the real take away for me is to go at your own pace. I am about rank 18k and I've been playing for 2 years. I know people who improved slower than me and I know many who improved faster. At the end of the day, osu is just a game. I think most football players don't get discouraged because they aren't as good as Ronaldo; they play because football is fun. It is really cool to watch top players dominate, but I think it is just as rewarding to see yourself grow as a player no matter how "slow" your improvement is.
The genetics argument is literally the same as in the fitness industry
Whenever someone sees someone with an epic body they are like “oh they have better genetics”
Kinda funny to see the parrellels
greg doucette moment
Also theres no steroids for osu
It's the same everywhere. People don't want to believe they're not working hard/smart enough.
Metabolism
@@dessertlimbo now there is 💀
I guess I’ll bring out my time machine and tell my younger self to play osu everyday for 8 hrs a day
this is a really well documented video with in depth real research, really proud of you for taking criticism so well and making great videos of it
I prepared an orange gormet to eat while watching this video.
I love this hahaha
Clicked on the video, youtube immediately gave me an ad for a drink that's supposed to improve gaming skill.
edit: after watching the video, I can honestly agree with the idea of genetics being an unknown factor. So many players would just blame it on bad genetics and starting osu! too late for improvement. While this could certainly be true, the mindset itself is going to be a bigger block to improvement than genetics(at least, I'm pretty sure).
The drink contains superior osu! genes which are absorbed into your body through the intestinal walls
Let me guess, gfuel?
keep it up man your videos have such great quality to them
Well from what I see genetics do exist, but idk how, but if you pay attention to top players you'll realize why they are good on playing osu, and from what I know you'll improve faster in osu if you find the map that would make you comfortable to another map, also daily activities and health affects improvement in osu from what I know. Also if you want to know something what I found interesting from top players in osu why they are good in playing on osu is, they drink coffee and coffee have lots of good effects for osu like improving your focus, it'll make you feel more productive ect. As I just mentioned daily activities have an impact on your improvements in osu, also sleep greatly affects your improvement in osu so be sure to take a lot of good sleep if you have time.
Sorry for broken English
Edit: also left handed people are great in visualization so they must be very great in coordination
here before the thumbnail change, and i think that's pretty awesome
Cookiezi said : we can tell how good we are after we reach 100k playcount
150k pc still trash
pain
Mad respect for not getting salty from the first videos criticism, and putting the effort to make a better one
did more fact checking than most journalist so poggers on that.
looking at you kotaku.
Liked before i watched becuase i already know its gonna be a banger of a video
same
4:07
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is that thedooo?
thedoooooo
Funny how it was during Ascension to Heaven too
@@wozu__ during Ascension to Heaven doo* ill leave.
@@quip641 I should be the one leaving, as I should have thought of it first lmao
another great video bruhmaster
These days i was wondering whether could use the studies and research we have to get somewhere on the point of genetics applied to osu, and that's what your video is about.
I've seen your last video and spazza's one and i think this one can conclude the topic, ...but more videos about genetics are always welcome xd
Great video!!!
This was great. Lovely ending speech.
I can say with confidence that I broke my own barrier in both single tap speed, and stream consistency. I haven't broke the 220bpm stream barrier yet so I can speak of stream speed yet. I NEVER thought i'd be able to single tap above 200 bpm, but even when I was learning to single tap (starting from 175bpm, where I was alt-ing farm maps that were up to 210) I quickly went up to single tapping 200-210 and after getting consistency over the last 3 months was easily able to single tap 220-230. Now that I am back to practicing single tapping I went from 230 absolute max to in some cases 260-270. (mostly because I started reading AR9 +DT better) just from about a week of deliberate practice. Prior to this I was deliberately practicing streaming as well as overall consistency at my comfortable bpm range (170-200 on streams, 170-225 on everything else) which I worked at for about 2 weeks and managed to go from a B rank decent combo pass on ange du blanc pur (5*) to a 97% FC, which probably is the worst of my improvement proofs, but is the only thing in my top 100. To the point where even now where I've been using 240bpm single tapping as a way to train stamina I even got a 2.3k combo on above the winter moonlight (6.39*). that would've been above 98% acc if I hadn't started shaking as much as I did.
BruhmasterL: you can become a master between 700 and 16000 hours
Screen: 6:03 Good
I don't know if this has to anything with this video, but when I started the game I could consistently play 3 star maps from the get go and within a week I could pass 4 star maps. My improvement has slowed down since but it's interesting to see my friends who are new to the game and they can't even pass a 2 stars. This is a really interesting topic and I enjoyed the video man, keep it up!
TheDooo is in an osu! video pog
epic ending note.
Amazing video, only thing bothering me was the blanket term "rx makes everything exponentially easier". Yes, RX removes most if not all complexity of songs, changes in rhythm, etc. It also removes any skill involved in difficult long/high bpm streams. What RX doesn't take away is the tracking required for those streams, *most* of the accuracy involved in doing difficult jumps (most 1-2 jumps excluded as they're ridiculously easy to aim half the time), and the reading required to play most of the song properly. You can say it's just a dumbed down version of another, but if you genuinely try pushing your limit with RX, it helps improve aim consistency, and (at least in my experiences) has helped improve my ability to read and aim difficult patterns. I personally don't think I would of improved my aim to where I am today if I didn't take a break from playing "normal" osu, to play RX for ~2 months.
Edit: If you look at most 9* maps (good example but not 9* is Go Go Carlito), the rhythm complexity is close to what you would see in a 5* map, except with 8* jumps. So to say being good at the game requires a deep understanding of complex rhythms doesn't make sense, as PP isn't weighted on rhythm complexity (probably should be to some extent IMO).
I like the new kind of shakey font, it has a nice playful vibe.
i love how in the end, we just need to play more
Why is nobody talking about experiences from different games and so on?
There are so many factors that are often forgotten. While genetics are the nearly only used excuse, there are actually so many more excuses (other then time invested or learning plans). Your whole past also changes your current (learning as well as actual) ability's immensely.
That speech at the end made me tear up :(
The biggest difference I see in osu with deliberate improvement is the fact that a player who does nothing but farm the same difficulty maps will obviously improve their aim, but past that they will probably end up sticking to the same difficulty maps until their rank gain stops them from doing so. If another player were to do nothing but focus on improving their abilities, there would be a larger gap than 20~%
True but I was able to get up to 210 bpm streams by losing the sausage fingers so basically I am immune to genetics and my entire skillset is dependant on my bmi
This video can be summarized by a line from tokaku- "Think of it like a skill cap increase" but an almost untouchable skill cap where it doesn't matter much as it stands
Oh yes that video. Yeah I agree with that but I think that genetics also matter on your improvement speed.
Hey man, that was a good video.
What I'm wondering is whether genetics and environmental influences affect your skill cap, or just your rate of improvement.
@BruhMasterL You should make a video on Rustbell Considering how ahead of his time he was.
i think that the point in genetics is not if they affect your skill or not but if you are gonna use it as an excuse to not being able to do something or a reason to give up
when you keep blaming everything but yourself to your own mistakes and problems, thats your ego trying to protect you, if you keep blaming everything else you might give up or lose motivation to do the things you love
so yeah stop blaming everything else
when does the time travel update release? im gonna start playing osu! as a toddler.
if we all dont get the feeling of "nervousness" like we keep shaking nervously then at this point we wouldve had a 11 star fc
Thumbnail spelt "search" as "serch"
lol
True xD
holy fuck that quote at the end was so beautiful
I started in June 2020, I'm #288k rn. I don't farm though, I might just out of curiosity, but if I'm going to submit a play especially one on a farm map, it has to have at least 95% acc and be an fc. That's my mindset, and tbh, I don't mind if it takes me some time to get to 5 digit, I want to improve and let the pp come to me. Like Nalian said, Skill = PP, PP doesn't = skill.
Tip: Dont look at global leaderboards, only local leaderboards, the more time you spend competing with yourself, the better. Also, aim high. Have goals that you believe are possible but will take weeks or even months to achieve
@@Garfield_Osu Oh for sure. I've been wanting to FC Rubik's Cube [5x5x5] with HRHD for a month, and I finally fced it yesterday. 99% accuracy, 102pp. Yes it's a 4* with HR on but I had so many chokes on it, it's laughable. I sometimes go look at maps that are a bit far out of my skill range but not too far and see how well I can do on them. Then I set myself out to improve just so I can get the score I want on those maps. Idc how long it takes as long as I can get the score I want.
@@rudyranger249 You don't have to play offline, just don't compare yourself to other players. It's good to play online to get stats added to your account even if you don't care about submitting scores to bancho
The thing is tapping to the beat is not a problem, I'v been playing for a month now and I can stream at 300bpm, The only problem is, I can't do jumps on 6 star maps because of my shitty mouse and my right wrist doesn't seem to like snapping back and forth repeatedly (but I think thats just me being unfit lol)
genetics have a roll to play when its applied to how fast you get better but osu! takes hand eye rythym speed and memory
Love how you were more though and less decisive this time. Last video felt like you were try to prove that it exists while this one ask if it does exist.
day two of me asking about Yaong i feel like hes getting forgotten like he got his top play a month ago
while i agree that Yaong is a really substancial player in the game's history, bringing attention to his name once again means giving him another platform, and we know what happened the last time that happened
@@Phos7x what did yaomg do im confused
unfortunately he said on stream that he doesn't want to do tournaments anymore.
@@bruhmoment2880 isn't he like into young girls or something, that he even privated his twitter after stating that
Genetics and talent truly dont matter much, sure they matter a bit but nowhere near as much as people think. The saying goes "Practice doesnt make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect." The real issue with people not understanding how to improve at osu is that 90% of the people who play it are around the age of 10-20 and have never physically trained any part of their body. There are right and wrong ways to go about practicing, and saying "just play the game" isn't super helpful. If anyone has done research into physical training you'll know there are certain ways to exploit the mind and bodys way of improving. For example: Always warm up. Practice several times a day with the intention of improving certain aspects of your play. TAKE BREAKS sometimes several days at a time the mind still processes information for hours and days after you do something, it even happens while you sleep. And for that exact reason if you can only practice once a day make sure it is before you go to sleep since it will be fresh on your mind and thus will be the first thing your brain works on rewiring itself to do (Im not a physical therapist so im not exactly sure how it works but if you're interested there is TONS of research and science to back this up.)
There are tons of ways to improve that have yet to be used in the Osu! community and when people start practicing properly the types of plays you will see will almost certainly be inhuman. Im so excited for it. And I think thats pretty awesome.
Could you do like a history of sotarks and why there so much hate and stuff against him
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For older players mental elasticity is a huge factor of genetics that affect osu (and many games) some people can have really good genes and will be able to learn the game at a much older age (~20), and some people won’t be able to play if they start after the age of 12 or so
HE SAID THE THING
My conclusion is that you cannot know how much you have been blessed by genetics until you have taken time to develop the skills affected by the said genetics. That is, before you start blaming your (poor) performance in genetics, first start actually trying to develop them.
I feel that deliberate practice is of a lot of importance, whether you have the right genetic composition or not
I also have the idea that a lot of us might just not be applying the knowledge that actually leads to improvement, for example, a lot of people doesn't realize that you have to start from the basics (and it's not just 6 digits who do that, in some aspects even higher rank players doesn't realize this). Other things like mindset, how we learn (and we can improve our learning) etc. There's just a lot of untapped potential for people to learn besides their genetics.
(I hope this is not hard to understand, sometimes my english comes out weird)
my personal oppinioe is that genetics are nothing compared to the devotion of a player who puts all of himself to improve, for me a player who becomes top player after many sacrifices and devotion will remain more and more impressive than a player who is boosted by genetics , in the end, genetics are just a small boost that can be surpassed by anyone with the right commitment
i dropped all progress for 2 months xD sometimes it’s just not finding a good way to play, changing my playstyle i started climbing and was able to stream. it’s that easy
I think genetics can affect rate of improvement but I don’t think it impacts your total potential
Something along the lines of this....
this saved my mindset from the pits of hell thx
@@mollysandera991 nope.
wrong.
all improve different, to most of us are just about the same there's always those who so happen to be in their own but their still equal to you.
I mean, most part of genetics influence how long would you take to become a master. Only a tiny bit of genetics influence your 'human skill ceiling' which is a point that to this day no one has arrived to. So not having genetics only means that to arrive to the skill level of whitecat or any top player, or being better than them, you will take more time and practice than someone with talent (genetics). And that means that you can be as skillful or more skillful than someone with genetics if you practice enough. So good luck on your osu! grind if practicing and improving is what you find fun about playing, and pls enjoy game c:
Very inspirational👏👏👏
Where do I buy good jeans?
i dont know either
mcdonalds
@@demk8115 good answer
I believe that genetics only plays a large factor when you get very good at something. The better and better you get at something the slower you will improve, the first 100 hours you put into osu will see you improving much more than the 100 hours after. The slight advantages that genetics can give you will only really become apparent when you are at the top and close to "mastering" the game. The case where people blame genetics on why they are not improving is completely flawed and I believe that if everyone tried to deliberately improve and practice osu, anyone could hit at the VERY least 4 digit.
It’s only game...
why you have to be...
Med...?
The phrase “it’s just a game” is such a weak mindset. You are ok with what happened, losing, imperfection of a craft. When you stop getting angry after losing, you’ve lost twice.
There’s always something to learn, and always room for improvement, never settle.
@Clockyn its a ninja tweet lmao
Something people are forgetting is past experience.
Some people have already played rhythm games for years before playing osu.
Other people are used to playing games that require aim so they are better at Osu when they start.
Also I feel like time played is overlooked.
Playcount isn't as reliable as hours.
Some people are like "got 5 digit in 3 months" and people whine about how they suck because they aren't 5 digit after a year but it's because they have less time played.
In serch of genetics.
you forget one thing related to tapping
muscle fibers. does this matter? considering the fact that some of these dudes can stream 260 bpm for several minutes ( *cough cough* vaxei) it almost certainly is, for osu! youd need a really good mix of type 2 (fast twitch) muscle fibers which as a strength coach i can tell you is largely genetic, if you tried really REALLY hard you could maybe change 5-ish% of your muscle mass into a type of fast twitch fiber but if you were born to be a marathon runner your osu! skill is capped from day 1
With my sweaty ass hands I feel as if genetics are holding me back😑
I imagine genetics to have a coefficient to the rate of improvement to be alongside the magnitude of how much a given playtime is dedicated to improvement practice or just fun. I just wonder how large each of those coefficients are but I don't think there will ever be an answer.
what skin used in part 2 ( 3:52 )?
I love how he used TheDooo's Clip of him playing a guitar 😂
i keep using very uncomfortable mouse grip because it gives me best aim and speed, and i just cant switch grips.
it sucks.
took 9 minutes of my life just to say play more. thanks.
No matter what, please enjoy game
just saying mr BruhMaster, you dont need to alternate tap 300 bpm on an instrument
Ignorant child
??????: plz enjoy game.
that's just said to make bad players like me feel better
@@animeslayergp9333 isn't.
Thumbnail: In Serch of Genetics
Long story short: Genetics matter a bit, But you have to have a good-mindset and better than average Hand-eye coordonation to really improve at osu!
The next video topic should be about setups like comparing RyuK to FGsky and how much it affects their gameplay and performance.
Exactly how much of a memorization buff does the pillow give
genetics don’t decide if you can actually improve though imo, doesn’t matter if you can stream 170 instantly or can aim 6* jumps instantly if all you do is play stuff way outside your skill range or only play the same maps without anything outside your comfort zone
All I gotta say is: If you get into a video game with the goal of becoming one of the best instead of simple pleasure or enjoyment, you're just setting yourself up to be dissapointed. It may be depressing to think about but when it comes to sports, games, and almost any skill, there are only a limited amount of positions in the world class tier. So instead of worrying about things that are beyond your control, just try and be the best that you personally can be.
TL:DR plz enjoy game :)
Funny thing is I got a lil better but just uping my sens still not good but helped
I had to stop playing osu because I hurt my fingers WAY TOO BADLY 2 times once in 2018 when I started playing the game a lot and once recently in 2020 when I picked up the game again. Both time I ended having my fingers so hurt I literally couldn't play osu anymore. So for me it's not even a matter of lack of practice or anything that I can't reach the top... it's a matter of health.
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i have average talent but i keep on getting better because i enjoy the game while playing maps that are impossible to play for my level
everyone is listening to BruhmasterL
Me: watching the gameplay
dude im sooo unlucky i didnt get the perfect genetic code for osu, damn man. thats why im bad btw
How to git good like fgsky?
@@nanasbo its a joke
new bruhmaster video thanks 😊
I don't think I can ever be a 4 digit. Ever.