the plan is simple: - plan an osu event - lure in top players - have them get black out drunk (may not work on under aged players, but lets be honest, when has that ever stopped an osu player) - take saliva samples while they are blacked out - extract dna from saliva - fuse dna with your own - become an osu rhythm champion
"You can call it genetics. I refuse to believe that it's genetics. He trained hard for this" -Ed "BTMC" 2020 (while watching xeltol's ascencion to heaven dt fc)
Genetics is 100% a thing, but still that isn't the problem you suck in osu, genetics is a thing in almost everything. Even if you just say "you just have dont have to give up and play alot", that's also genetics, some people are more patient than others, and some people improve faster. I'm not saying if you're born without good genetics u can't get good, just saying if u don't have really good genetics you're not gonna be the best, but you can definitely get up there. So all in all, if u have bad genetics, keep playing and dont blame them when you're 6 digits
What I think you mean, isn't really "Talent" but more so them being prodigies, a prodigy is someone who is very naturally smart or good at something, they still have to put in effort they just pick it up way faster.
talent is essentially being gifted at the game immediately, and doing really well even if you're not very experienced. genetics fall into that same category, as having good genetics can make you talented at a game you never really played. what separates players like whitecat, rafis, cookiezi, and vaxei from an average player who may have gotten into the game and immediately started passing high difficulty maps but hasn't seen much improvement is work ethic. those 4 players have capitalized off their potential, and used it to become the best by playing a lot and trying to improve everyday. basically, hard work beats talent, until the talented works hard.
Everyone has a limit to the bpm they can stream in osu. They can't go beyond that bpm no matter how hard they tried. Some people are just naturally gifted to be able to go faster than others like merami, but it is a fact that everyone is capable of improving the speed that they can stream just through hard work, albeit only to their limit. Hence, I am saying that no one has reached their true limit but players who have had a good amount of time spent in this game would most definitely be close to their limits on pure clicking speed.
talent and genetics are different. Talent spans all levels of skill no matter how low or high on leaderboards, rankings etc do not matter and or how low you're rank, LV, placing on any games leaderboard but there's some who have sheer raw talent or pick up on concepts of various games relatively quick. All gaming communities have a rare few of these types, here in the osu! community have Vaxei who tried mods very early after signing up on osu! to happen to have sheer talent with or a knack and got the hang of them when using mods was im guessing some unforeseen concept do something in that regard go against the norm! genetics are not involved, even if you came from the same ball sack and sperm as shroud or ninja, beasttrollMC, KoaleaQ, Cookiezi, etc you maybe won't have the same skill set as them just by having the same or a set of DNA or genetics of those top players, genetics isn't even a factor imo. mainly, we all have a different path, skill set, road of growing as a player, you should break out of you're comfort zone as vaxei did so early in his osu! career try HD, HD, DT or FL on lower then your'e average to get the grip of it most top players or very good players of every game just ain't start good from the gate they experimented or asked for help or just winged it you don't know until you TRY! and again EXPERIMENT!
The problem for me is that I have been working at speed for a number of months now and I can only make it up to 230 bpm for about 10 - 15 seconds. My friend however putting no conscious effort into practicing speed can nearly stream 300 bpm. I don’t know if it’s genetics or if he’s just talented at that skill set I’m just saying I physically don’t know how people can get their fingers to move so fast.
@@warpromo6636 I’m happy to say I have beaten genetics and I can deathstream 260 bpm consistently and I have a few speed scores. I have figured out that speed is literally play more x284782
@@warpromo6636 my username on youtube is my name on osu. i have a lot of farm scores but i just got an aragami 250 bpm fc (unranked) and like a rainbow road fc a couple months ago. I got 1948 combo onn the deceit as well so i mean its not impossible to improve at that stuff
Genetics play a role no doubt. That’s pretty self explanatory in itself. As for talent, that’s efficiency+lifestyle+habits+cognitive awareness and mental in general. As for mindset, a lot of top players are built differently physically and mentally (like mindset). Negative mindset is pretty natural and that’s a whole rabbit whole. There is also teenage angst definitely has to do with it too lol. Let’s be real, most osu players are straight up kids I’m convinced.
Every time I improve slowly it is only because i get demotivated which leads me to playing less, when i get motivated again and play more i improve, top players are there because they play through their demotivation...
Genetics and talent are not necessarily the same thing. Talent is (for the most part) based on previous experience (genetics being a factor). Genetics is physical limitations. Genetics and talent can coexist, but they are not the same thing.
What I don't get though is how could somebody who hasn't played the game for well over 2 years when I first played with him be able to do 200 BPM long streams and hold them for half a minute while I could barely do 120 BPM after he hasn't played FOR YEARS and NEVER practiced streaming to begin with. The dude only casually played the game back then and quit after a month or so and i still can't do even 40% of what he can do now despite him not touching the game in a long long time, if he can casually stream and overstream BPMs around 200-220 then honestly how is that not genetics? He is literally playing every game he's playing casually, so there's not really something that's helping him keep that skill around. I'll be darned if it's just an excuse for me not being able to be a speed player but honestly fuck off, i'm jealous, that has to be genetics.
you are correct, it is genetics. its called the twitch muscle. an average person can train up to like 240 bpm consistently, but no waay can they get to the level of merami who streams like 300 bpm.
Here's a simple rule. I studied music and every PHd in this field says the same thing, no matter who you ask: Talent makes someone who practiced an instrument for 500 hours play like someone who practiced for about 1000-2000 hours, but then everyone hits a barrier. To truly master an instrument everyone needs to play his instrument for about 7000 hours. And yes, this should be the same for Osu.
i'd say the only thing that genetics play a huge role in is streaming. everyone can get to the point of streaming 240 bpm consistently, but not like how merami does it.
I guess top players like vaxei or whitecat are actually a combination of both. This exact thing also applies to traditional sports. Of course LeBron was not born to put a basket into a hoop while following specifics rules on how to do so, but a combination of being an absolute freak of nature as an athlete (genetics) and his incredible hard work when it comes to getting better as a basketball player (dedication, thus creating talent) was just abnormal, and that same combination was perfect for the game of basketball. Same for osu!. Vaxei is just naturally good at the game, with some genetics helping, plus the insane dedication he had made him perfect for being at good at osu! and improve at an insane rate to become the legend that he is right now, same for whitecat.
I’m gonna time travel to 800bc to make sure my great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great greatgreat great great great great great great great great great grandfather marries a woman that can stream at 500 bpm so I can have better genetics
"They're just naturally talented at trying to improve at something they're not good at without beating themselves down" NATURALLY So wouldnt that still mean genenes? Tho hard work always beats talent when talent doesnt work hard. Your own statement about talent and genetics kinda contradicts itself. Also none of this matters, its not something you can measure. Vaxei has 2000 hours in the game and thats just online. You can never know how piss poor someone's genes could be for osu!. For all you know these top players could just be playing a lot more than you with just average genes. Practice doesnt make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.
I feel bad for people that see a 1000pp play and just quit, I watch meramis 3 mod ascension to heaven FC and I immediately tried to 3 mod a hard map for me and I passed.
I'm scared that if I don't improve fast enough I'll slow down from age faster than I improve from practice, meaning I'll get worse no matter how much I try.
I feel like much can achieved with hard work... But I dont think that there are no genetics... But there is some but only at the highest Level... If someone is able to burst or stream some high bpm with hard work and the next one is trying his Best to play high bpm stream and burst maps but just cant reach that läßt bit of speed it is genetics... But that is no excuse for myself that I am Bad. I just dont put in the work to reach my human Limits in osu. And if you dont put in the work you cant blame anything or anyone but yourself.
Genetics and to a big extent even talent is a pathetic excuse for lack of skill gain. The by far biggest aspect of getting better at the game is lots of constant playtime. It doesn't take much to see this correlation between playtime and skill on basically every top player profile. And really, what most people call talent in Osu is just previous aiming or rhythm game experience. Things which merely make skill gain at the start for some easier. Things you can easily overcome, if you would just break the at least 2000 play threshold monthly
Even if people are gifted genetics, they still need to put in work to get better and improve just like others. Having genetics is not a one-way ticket to becoming top 5 when you install the game.
The only time I thought of the genetics thing was when I saw merami go like 20kps which made me wonder if he's human but then you can see that his reading too is on another level so yea hard work pays off
With speed i believe (just oppinion) its a lot like with running... it gets increasingly more difficult to learn how to sprint really fast as you get older... if you look at top sprinters they both have very good genetics are very talented and put a lot of work into it... and with this discussion with genetics being the same as talent... i would say that its a matter of definniton...
Do you think having a musical background would help with something like osu? A bunch of patterns can be boiled down into music terms and can be easily digested, understood, and executed. As someone who took music before getting into the game, improvement was easier for me because I understood what was going on rhythmically and could apply it to the game. What do you think of that?
@@MrFranci3000_dot_AMAROXXX Yeah but that's just the general point of the game. It might help to have a deeper understanding of *why* the things happening in the song are happening.
@@TheLil3K osu is a reaction game mostly, you could play with music off if you wanted and get good scores. Music just helps with accuracy and associating certain parts of the maps to certain parts of the song
I don't believe your use of the terms "talent" and "genetics" were wrong at all in the BruhmasterL video. Us americans have a tendency to think that freedom of speech means we are always right... really it just means we get to show everyone how wrong we can be :) Genetics is a scientific thing. Talent is a psychological (or maybe philosophical?) thing. They may talk about the same thing, but they're from completely different perspectives, so saying they're different makes a lot of sense. Still, nice to see you can respect people's opinions, and not assume that you are right and they are wrong. Keep up the good content!
@@bobalban3446 Look bro, play more, how do you think top players got to the top?, they played through their demotivation, look at FGSky, dogshit setup, top player, there's absolutely no excuse, all you need to know is play more, play smart. SO QUIT WHINING AND GET TO IT.
I agree with the essence of what you've said, but I'd just like to tell my point of view. I would say that I'm at least of average talent (haha so cocky), which is absolutely enough to become an incredible player with enough hard work. BUT I would also say I am definitely held back by genetics. I have a movement disorder which makes it very hard to control my muscles well. I have to constantly fight against an uncontrollable shake, and I'm always tense (if I don't tense I shake even more and move much slower). I truly believe that it is because of this disorder that I haven't been able to improve my finger speed even a little bit after half a year of constant training (stuck at 150bpm lmao). I'm definitely not going to give up or falter, but in my own personal experience, genetics has had a big impact on how I've played. I don't follow the osu community very closely, so I'm not knowledgeable on how they view this topic, but from what you've said in the video I definitely agree with you more than "my genetics makes me unable to stream 200bpm" even when they are a completely average and healthy person, it's not like they have an actual medical condition holding them back. I just think this topic is a bit more nuanced than people think. There's the small genetic stuff, like how much fast twitch muscle you have, which would NOT hold you back from being an amazing player, and then there's the big genetic stuff, like neurological disorders, which will hold you back depending on the severity
At least to me, I think talent means being able to find a shorter path towards the solution of the problem (which is improvement in this case) more easily than an average person. If you’re talented at something, you pick it up easier than someone else because you’re naturally taking a shorter path than them towards the goal. I believe talent can be trained as well. You can carve a shorter path on your own with experience at something. In a way, talent is being able to improve faster at improving than others are improving. So there is talent behind talent. And talent behind that. My head hurts.
Genetics play a role no doubt. That’s pretty self explanatory in itself. Also relates to talent too, being innate talent. As for talent, that’s efficiency+lifestyle+habits+cognitive awareness and mental in general. The “nurture” aspect of human lives As for mindset, a lot of top players are built differently physically and mentally (like mindset). Negative mindset is pretty natural and that’s a whole rabbit whole. Then there is also teenage angst definitely has to do with it too lol. Let’s be real, most osu players are straight up kids I’m convinced.
For me genetics is like something that determines how you would look and how good you will be on something like for example peaople born with high musical talent we can take a youtube named MarcusVeltri as a person born with good genetics Being born with extremely good genetics doesn’t instantly mean you’re going to be super talented unless you have one of those "perfect genes" that you usually see in anime or mangas like blood line or something I can say that if looks don’t matter then what determines you’re difference is talent Ps. I don’t really know what im talking about now Whitecat probably has good genetics at finger movement and reading And he has good talent at dt Merami has good genetics about finger movement/strength and has talent on reading This is just my personal opinion if you want to comment go ahead.
but reaction time, muscle strength is literally genetics. It's been proven in studies that Africans have certain differences in amounts of muscle fibers that allow them to run faster. Sure there's no studies on muscle fibers in osu players hands, but do you really think some people aren't born with more stable, more nimble, more agile hands? Also reaction time is obviously genetic, while you can improve it, some people are just inherently faster at reacting.
i think your speed cap is genetics but you still need skill to reach said speed cap. Regardless rhythm games most of the time arent only about speed but about alot of other things too which doesnt make good hand genetics have the biggest impact on anything (unless your speed cap is extremely low)
as an asian i feel like a lot of people just see the skill you earn by grinding your ass off to get there and not the insane amount of effort you have to put in behind the scenes for months on end. that in turn kinda hurts cause i feel like people just put your skill that you earned up to nothing but genetics, and i liked the point you brought up about the mindset thing about that because if you hear it enough, you'll eventually tell yourself everything you trained for was genetic, thank you so much for this super articulate video on this subject; it was by far the most interesting one i've watched (y)
I'm seeing the trend. In the future, players can probably buy genetics but not for themselves but for their offspring. Boom newly born infant streams 420 bpm
I was just watching your series of this osu improvement. I was watching just now your play more video, before it i was watching push your limits and just now you upload this and i am watching this.
Personally when I say genetics I don't mean that the player didn't have to put effort into improving, but that they had to put less time than average to learn a skill, not that they were "born" with that skill
this comment is false, some people are born with better finger twitch muscles than others. there is a bpm barrier for how fast you can stream, and that barrier is determined by genetics. although a lot of people think the barrier is quite low when its probably around 240 bpm.
It's also random, if you start playing the game and get a lot of bad habbits, it will be hard to get rid of them, but if you don't get as much habits it will carry on to make you improve faster.
Wouldn't this mean that genetics and talent are the same thing though? In the end its something that's not dependent of you, it just works in a different way. I think it's wrong to blame external factors from the start even if they may exist.
I mean, I can stream 220 and do 240 for a little bit, but I started out being intimidated by anything faster than 180 bpm. But then, I decided I wanted to be able to play faster maps too, so I spent a week playing nothing slower than 200 bpm, and now I am where I am. I've started stream practice again, and I'm hoping to gain 240 consistency.
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my parents are the reason i cant stream 500+ bpm
you should wish your parents would be Whitecat and Merami then you would be a osu legend(I mean it in a funny way).
Ten-Dimension then u would be idke who granted, is one of the slowest legendary players
P0is0ndagger127 wym by slowest?
@@ten-dimension9390 hey bro that's gay
@@connerhagerman2470 because idke is the slowest 1 digit there is
Ever since cavemen bashed rocks together to form music, Even they wondered if they could make it into a map so that they could click circles
As cavemen usually do.
the plan is simple:
- plan an osu event
- lure in top players
- have them get black out drunk (may not work on under aged players, but lets be honest, when has that ever stopped an osu player)
- take saliva samples while they are blacked out
- extract dna from saliva
- fuse dna with your own
- become an osu rhythm champion
have them get black out drunk (may not work on under aged players)
German players: we dont have such weaknesses
- have them get black out drunk
- Rafis: yes
osu! Tutorial 2
Chill bruh this ain’t the smash community
Oh, so that's what happens in Cavoe's osu event
im changing my dna so my kids can stream 99999 bpm
Can I have one
@@Jeremy-bd7sk you want his kids?
@@alwatatani6425 nah he wants 1 bpm
*vibrates hand
"I am winning dad"
imagine people crying to their parents that they can’t stream 300 bpm
I cant stream any streams
I don’t blame my Genes I blame my Very own Atoms and all of the Tiny Micro Animals in my skin which ruin my aim
I am asian so i can stream 1 billion bpm
Maybe Trillion. Who knows what you people can do. Music are in your genetics
Yeah, I as an Asian FC'd centipede 4 mod but it was offline and my pet beaver deleted my replay.
oh no I cna't solve rubik's cube, it's genetics 100%
I can solve a Rubik's cube. Thanks, genetics. 😎
Thanks genetics sub 20 sec solves came fromthat
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The realist adjusts the sails - Will Arthur Ward
But wouldn’t that just be going backwards
"Ok i take it back this kid is ALL GENETICS, i will never achieve this level because he is GENETICS"
- Ed "BTMC" 2020 (while watching Whitecat)
"You can call it genetics. I refuse to believe that it's genetics. He trained hard for this"
-Ed "BTMC" 2020 (while watching xeltol's ascencion to heaven dt fc)
"This guy is a METRONOME. He has a metronome in his brain. He was made to play this game."
-Ed "BTMC" 2020 (while watching Umbre)
The incels of osu are gonna be real mad about this one
me: comes here for osu content
spazza: begins to talk about cave men bashing rocks together
me: interesting
Genetics is 100% a thing, but still that isn't the problem you suck in osu, genetics is a thing in almost everything. Even if you just say "you just have dont have to give up and play alot", that's also genetics, some people are more patient than others, and some people improve faster. I'm not saying if you're born without good genetics u can't get good, just saying if u don't have really good genetics you're not gonna be the best, but you can definitely get up there. So all in all, if u have bad genetics, keep playing and dont blame them when you're 6 digits
So i can play 8 star maps because my last name's Wagner and Richard Wagner is a history musician?
exactly
What I think you mean, isn't really "Talent" but more so them being prodigies, a prodigy is someone who is very naturally smart or good at something, they still have to put in effort they just pick it up way faster.
Being prodigious at something vs genetics
@Santiago Rodriguez Newton that is indeed correct.Im just saying prodigious might be a better word to use since people were getting mixed up
Prodigy = talent though
Ethereal Mist Well talent is still more correct, since a prodigy is just someone with a mass amount of talent
Talent is just genetics
talent is essentially being gifted at the game immediately, and doing really well even if you're not very experienced. genetics fall into that same category, as having good genetics can make you talented at a game you never really played. what separates players like whitecat, rafis, cookiezi, and vaxei from an average player who may have gotten into the game and immediately started passing high difficulty maps but hasn't seen much improvement is work ethic. those 4 players have capitalized off their potential, and used it to become the best by playing a lot and trying to improve everyday. basically, hard work beats talent, until the talented works hard.
Yeah, imagine what will be of merami if he gets even better, dude is already a monster at streams and high bpm
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Everyone has a limit to the bpm they can stream in osu. They can't go beyond that bpm no matter how hard they tried. Some people are just naturally gifted to be able to go faster than others like merami, but it is a fact that everyone is capable of improving the speed that they can stream just through hard work, albeit only to their limit. Hence, I am saying that no one has reached their true limit but players who have had a good amount of time spent in this game would most definitely be close to their limits on pure clicking speed.
Talent and Genetics are the same thing. You got good genetics? That's where your talent comes from. Change my mind.
talent and genetics are different.
Talent spans all levels of skill no matter how low or high on leaderboards, rankings etc do not matter and or how low you're rank, LV, placing on any games leaderboard but there's some who have sheer raw talent or pick up on concepts of various games relatively quick.
All gaming communities have a rare few of these types, here in the osu! community have Vaxei who tried mods very early after signing up on osu! to happen to have sheer talent with or a knack and got the hang of them when using mods was im guessing some unforeseen concept do something in that regard go against the norm!
genetics are not involved, even if you came from the same ball sack and sperm as shroud or ninja, beasttrollMC, KoaleaQ, Cookiezi, etc you maybe won't have the same skill set as them just by having the same or a set of DNA or genetics of those top players, genetics isn't even a factor imo.
mainly, we all have a different path, skill set, road of growing as a player, you should break out of you're comfort zone as vaxei did so early in his osu! career
try HD, HD, DT or FL on lower then your'e average to get the grip of it most top players or very good players of every game just ain't start good from the gate they experimented or asked for help or just winged it you don't know until you TRY! and again EXPERIMENT!
We shouldve just modified our genetics and put a T rex dna for 2 finger dedicated for osu. Unleash the genetics.
The problem for me is that I have been working at speed for a number of months now and I can only make it up to 230 bpm for about 10 - 15 seconds. My friend however putting no conscious effort into practicing speed can nearly stream 300 bpm. I don’t know if it’s genetics or if he’s just talented at that skill set I’m just saying I physically don’t know how people can get their fingers to move so fast.
it's genetics, its called the twitch muscle. the same goes for sprinting too
@@warpromo6636 I’m happy to say I have beaten genetics and I can deathstream 260 bpm consistently and I have a few speed scores. I have figured out that speed is literally play more x284782
@@oceanshmienek5462 that's good, i'd say the average person can practice to the point where they can deathstream like 240 bpm
@@oceanshmienek5462 whats your ign
@@warpromo6636 my username on youtube is my name on osu. i have a lot of farm scores but i just got an aragami 250 bpm fc (unranked) and like a rainbow road fc a couple months ago. I got 1948 combo onn the deceit as well so i mean its not impossible to improve at that stuff
Genetics play a role no doubt. That’s pretty self explanatory in itself.
As for talent, that’s efficiency+lifestyle+habits+cognitive awareness and mental in general.
As for mindset, a lot of top players are built differently physically and mentally (like mindset). Negative mindset is pretty natural and that’s a whole rabbit whole. There
is also teenage angst definitely has to do with it too lol. Let’s be real, most osu players are straight up kids I’m convinced.
Every time I improve slowly it is only because i get demotivated which leads me to playing less, when i get motivated again and play more i improve, top players are there because they play through their demotivation...
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For me, talent in OSU is the ability to visualize the map AND the song together, no matter how fast or hard to read it is
Genetics and talent are not necessarily the same thing. Talent is (for the most part) based on previous experience (genetics being a factor). Genetics is physical limitations.
Genetics and talent can coexist, but they are not the same thing.
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What I don't get though is how could somebody who hasn't played the game for well over 2 years when I first played with him be able to do 200 BPM long streams and hold them for half a minute while I could barely do 120 BPM after he hasn't played FOR YEARS and NEVER practiced streaming to begin with.
The dude only casually played the game back then and quit after a month or so and i still can't do even 40% of what he can do now despite him not touching the game in a long long time, if he can casually stream and overstream BPMs around 200-220 then honestly how is that not genetics? He is literally playing every game he's playing casually, so there's not really something that's helping him keep that skill around.
I'll be darned if it's just an excuse for me not being able to be a speed player but honestly fuck off, i'm jealous, that has to be genetics.
you are correct, it is genetics. its called the twitch muscle. an average person can train up to like 240 bpm consistently, but no waay can they get to the level of merami who streams like 300 bpm.
Thanks, now I can blame talent instead of genetics. Actually scratch that, why not both
Here's a simple rule.
I studied music and every PHd in this field says the same thing, no matter who you ask: Talent makes someone who practiced an instrument for 500 hours play like someone who practiced for about 1000-2000 hours, but then everyone hits a barrier. To truly master an instrument everyone needs to play his instrument for about 7000 hours. And yes, this should be the same for Osu.
i'd say the only thing that genetics play a huge role in is streaming. everyone can get to the point of streaming 240 bpm consistently, but not like how merami does it.
I think genetics is a limit for the speed as to built up in muscles but the ceilling is maybe way higher than the people think is
I guess top players like vaxei or whitecat are actually a combination of both. This exact thing also applies to traditional sports. Of course LeBron was not born to put a basket into a hoop while following specifics rules on how to do so, but a combination of being an absolute freak of nature as an athlete (genetics) and his incredible hard work when it comes to getting better as a basketball player (dedication, thus creating talent) was just abnormal, and that same combination was perfect for the game of basketball. Same for osu!. Vaxei is just naturally good at the game, with some genetics helping, plus the insane dedication he had made him perfect for being at good at osu! and improve at an insane rate to become the legend that he is right now, same for whitecat.
I’m gonna time travel to 800bc to make sure my great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great greatgreat great great great great great great great great great grandfather marries a woman that can stream at 500 bpm so I can have better genetics
finger go burr
merami gf go brrrr
@@hfig9286 she do be vibrating tho
Meramis gf luckkyyyyy
I can't ss dash hopes 1.3x version HD DT because of my parents
I hate genetics now
Or maybe, now get this, it's some combination of the three? Idk maybe I'm crazy
It is 2023 and the questions is not mouse vs tablet anymore, now it‘s about wooting vs any other keyboard.
Mouse and tablet comes down to which you have more talent with
"They're just naturally talented at trying to improve at something they're not good at without beating themselves down"
NATURALLY
So wouldnt that still mean genenes? Tho hard work always beats talent when talent doesnt work hard. Your own statement about talent and genetics kinda contradicts itself. Also none of this matters, its not something you can measure. Vaxei has 2000 hours in the game and thats just online. You can never know how piss poor someone's genes could be for osu!. For all you know these top players could just be playing a lot more than you with just average genes. Practice doesnt make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.
I feel bad for people that see a 1000pp play and just quit, I watch meramis 3 mod ascension to heaven FC and I immediately tried to 3 mod a hard map for me and I passed.
nf with 1%acc))
@@loka8001 it was a 119pp play on a 4 star, I'm #300000 so I'm not that good
I'm scared that if I don't improve fast enough I'll slow down from age faster than I improve from practice, meaning I'll get worse no matter how much I try.
This is bs I can’t fc freedom dive after only 1hr of playing
And cookiezi ! Who is cookiezi ! He is a god ! He is borne to a top player.
i dont know but, i did train high bpm streams speed and stamina, singletap high bpm, can do screen jump. Doesn't anyone can do that too?
I feel like much can achieved with hard work... But I dont think that there are no genetics... But there is some but only at the highest Level... If someone is able to burst or stream some high bpm with hard work and the next one is trying his Best to play high bpm stream and burst maps but just cant reach that läßt bit of speed it is genetics... But that is no excuse for myself that I am Bad. I just dont put in the work to reach my human Limits in osu. And if you dont put in the work you cant blame anything or anyone but yourself.
Genetics and to a big extent even talent is a pathetic excuse for lack of skill gain. The by far biggest aspect of getting better at the game is lots of constant playtime. It doesn't take much to see this correlation between playtime and skill on basically every top player profile. And really, what most people call talent in Osu is just previous aiming or rhythm game experience. Things which merely make skill gain at the start for some easier. Things you can easily overcome, if you would just break the at least 2000 play threshold monthly
Wait there is talent in Overwatch?!?!? OSUHOW
I see genetics as what you start with and talent is the rate of improvement
This is why u should get married with an osu player guys so ur child could stream 420bpm
Anyone can be a top player BUT some will take alot longer than others because sometimes some people just learn faster than others
Even if people are gifted genetics, they still need to put in work to get better and improve just like others. Having genetics is not a one-way ticket to becoming top 5 when you install the game.
imagine a guy with genetics talking about genetics
I saw a quote from hajime no ippo stating that even if you have talent, if you can’t reach number one then it’s all pointless
Man, i don't care about genetics, Skill is skill
How about genetics AND talent?
I just cant do burst yet once i can im sure i can do 6 stars finnaly maybe more
The only time I thought of the genetics thing was when I saw merami go like 20kps which made me wonder if he's human but then you can see that his reading too is on another level so yea hard work pays off
Haha my Asian genetics go brbrbr
GENETICS ARENT THE REASON YOU HAVE 87% ACC
With speed i believe (just oppinion) its a lot like with running... it gets increasingly more difficult to learn how to sprint really fast as you get older... if you look at top sprinters they both have very good genetics are very talented and put a lot of work into it... and with this discussion with genetics being the same as talent... i would say that its a matter of definniton...
don’t have genetics and talent
Do you think having a musical background would help with something like osu? A bunch of patterns can be boiled down into music terms and can be easily digested, understood, and executed. As someone who took music before getting into the game, improvement was easier for me because I understood what was going on rhythmically and could apply it to the game. What do you think of that?
Not really, just listening to music and paying attention to what you listen will be enough
@@MrFranci3000_dot_AMAROXXX Yeah but that's just the general point of the game. It might help to have a deeper understanding of *why* the things happening in the song are happening.
@@TheLil3K osu is a reaction game mostly, you could play with music off if you wanted and get good scores. Music just helps with accuracy and associating certain parts of the maps to certain parts of the song
osu is one of the hardest games ever
the best thing to do is enjoy the game
mrrek:what
I'm rank 17k on mania with a bad laptop don't need mechanical keyboard just a bad laptop
well mania has a lot less competition than std
I don't believe your use of the terms "talent" and "genetics" were wrong at all in the BruhmasterL video. Us americans have a tendency to think that freedom of speech means we are always right... really it just means we get to show everyone how wrong we can be :)
Genetics is a scientific thing.
Talent is a psychological (or maybe philosophical?) thing.
They may talk about the same thing, but they're from completely different perspectives, so saying they're different makes a lot of sense.
Still, nice to see you can respect people's opinions, and not assume that you are right and they are wrong.
Keep up the good content!
I haven't seen a single instance where freedom of speech could be described that way lol.
@@boneronosu3882 Ye, kinda hard to say what I'm trying to say. My whole point is that a lot of people saying the same thing doesn't make them right.
@@ethancannoy that I can definitely agree on
you can have fun at the game even if you are bad
Nice video
technique
Do more video about improvement please I have 1500h of playtime in 4 years and I'm stuck between 25k and 30k for almost 2 years please send help :(
In 6 months im already 5 digit lol
@@ricks4866 this is one of the few times I'm comfortable asking who the fuck asked.
I know people that are 4 digit after a year so cool for you man
@@bobalban3446 Look bro, play more, how do you think top players got to the top?, they played through their demotivation, look at FGSky, dogshit setup, top player, there's absolutely no excuse, all you need to know is play more, play smart.
SO QUIT WHINING AND GET TO IT.
@@ricks4866 getting to 5 digit takes literally no work
I think only thing that's "genetics" is good rhythm, but even that can be improved
I agree with the essence of what you've said, but I'd just like to tell my point of view.
I would say that I'm at least of average talent (haha so cocky), which is absolutely enough to become an incredible player with enough hard work. BUT I would also say I am definitely held back by genetics. I have a movement disorder which makes it very hard to control my muscles well. I have to constantly fight against an uncontrollable shake, and I'm always tense (if I don't tense I shake even more and move much slower). I truly believe that it is because of this disorder that I haven't been able to improve my finger speed even a little bit after half a year of constant training (stuck at 150bpm lmao). I'm definitely not going to give up or falter, but in my own personal experience, genetics has had a big impact on how I've played.
I don't follow the osu community very closely, so I'm not knowledgeable on how they view this topic, but from what you've said in the video I definitely agree with you more than "my genetics makes me unable to stream 200bpm" even when they are a completely average and healthy person, it's not like they have an actual medical condition holding them back. I just think this topic is a bit more nuanced than people think. There's the small genetic stuff, like how much fast twitch muscle you have, which would NOT hold you back from being an amazing player, and then there's the big genetic stuff, like neurological disorders, which will hold you back depending on the severity
At least to me, I think talent means being able to find a shorter path towards the solution of the problem (which is improvement in this case) more easily than an average person.
If you’re talented at something, you pick it up easier than someone else because you’re naturally taking a shorter path than them towards the goal.
I believe talent can be trained as well. You can carve a shorter path on your own with experience at something.
In a way, talent is being able to improve faster at improving than others are improving. So there is talent behind talent. And talent behind that. My head hurts.
Genetics play a role no doubt. That’s pretty self explanatory in itself. Also relates to talent too, being innate talent.
As for talent, that’s efficiency+lifestyle+habits+cognitive awareness and mental in general. The “nurture” aspect of human lives
As for mindset, a lot of top players are built differently physically and mentally (like mindset). Negative mindset is pretty natural and that’s a whole rabbit whole.
Then there is also teenage angst definitely has to do with it too lol. Let’s be real, most osu players are straight up kids I’m convinced.
For me genetics is like something that determines how you would look and how good you will be on something like for example peaople born with high musical talent we can take a youtube named MarcusVeltri as a person born with good genetics
Being born with extremely good genetics doesn’t instantly mean you’re going to be super talented unless you have one of those "perfect genes" that you usually see in anime or mangas like blood line or something
I can say that if looks don’t matter then what determines you’re difference is talent
Ps. I don’t really know what im talking about now
Whitecat probably has good genetics at finger movement and reading
And he has good talent at dt
Merami has good genetics about finger movement/strength and has talent on reading
This is just my personal opinion if you want to comment go ahead.
but reaction time, muscle strength is literally genetics. It's been proven in studies that Africans have certain differences in amounts of muscle fibers that allow them to run faster. Sure there's no studies on muscle fibers in osu players hands, but do you really think some people aren't born with more stable, more nimble, more agile hands? Also reaction time is obviously genetic, while you can improve it, some people are just inherently faster at reacting.
i think your speed cap is genetics but you still need skill to reach said speed cap. Regardless rhythm games most of the time arent only about speed but about alot of other things too which doesnt make good hand genetics have the biggest impact on anything (unless your speed cap is extremely low)
as an asian i feel like a lot of people just see the skill you earn by grinding your ass off to get there and not the insane amount of effort you have to put in behind the scenes for months on end. that in turn kinda hurts cause i feel like people just put your skill that you earned up to nothing but genetics, and i liked the point you brought up about the mindset thing about that because if you hear it enough, you'll eventually tell yourself everything you trained for was genetic, thank you so much for this super articulate video on this subject; it was by far the most interesting one i've watched (y)
I'm seeing the trend. In the future, players can probably buy genetics but not for themselves but for their offspring. Boom newly born infant streams 420 bpm
I really really really like those comfy videos where you talk about current topics!
I've been questioning about this since last video. Thanks!
I started playing osu in may but I still beat my friend who's been playing since 2017 to a 5 star pass so ig I got good genetics
Watching your video sideways still looks normal
I was just watching your series of this osu improvement. I was watching just now your play more video, before it i was watching push your limits and just now you upload this and i am watching this.
Theres a forum post related to to this but my comment got flagged as spam so i guess i cant link it
still amazed i cant hear the standing fan behind him
Sht I can't study look like I need to change my genetics
i had my tablet for about 4 months now and still can't find a grip for my pen
My new fellow countryman favourite youtuber
Personally when I say genetics I don't mean that the player didn't have to put effort into improving, but that they had to put less time than average to learn a skill, not that they were "born" with that skill
this comment is false, some people are born with better finger twitch muscles than others. there is a bpm barrier for how fast you can stream, and that barrier is determined by genetics. although a lot of people think the barrier is quite low when its probably around 240 bpm.
Hearing you talk about vaxei after he basically quit the game makes me Sadge
I get kinda irritated when people say it's all genetics, cos it goes against all the time I've spent trying to improve
It's also random, if you start playing the game and get a lot of bad habbits, it will be hard to get rid of them, but if you don't get as much habits it will carry on to make you improve faster.
@@paulowastaken yea but not having them from the start helps
Wouldn't this mean that genetics and talent are the same thing though? In the end its something that's not dependent of you, it just works in a different way. I think it's wrong to blame external factors from the start even if they may exist.
it is dependent on you lmfao
I mean, I can stream 220 and do 240 for a little bit, but I started out being intimidated by anything faster than 180 bpm. But then, I decided I wanted to be able to play faster maps too, so I spent a week playing nothing slower than 200 bpm, and now I am where I am. I've started stream practice again, and I'm hoping to gain 240 consistency.
The word you're looking for is stamina
@@kodycore Well, you do need both, but you make a good point.
2:45 they’re both a thing
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imo speed is the only genetics related skill cuz some people can tap crazy fast i know that dont even play osu
because people practice tapping fast outside of osu?????????
@@zurub no lol.
@@E333-m2g lol yes