Independence Day: An American Disaster
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- In 1996 Roland Emmerich made a pretty neat film. It was about aliens. It was all downhill from there.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
03:30 Independence Day 1
08:34 The Aliens
10:33 The Silly Stuff
14:35 The Cast
19:06 Independence Day 2
23:20 Wasted Potential
27:10 A Nothing Sequel
33:52 The Cast (Part 2)
39:22 The End - Фільми й анімація
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Welcome to Every Roland Emmerich movie, we have:
- Smart guy nobody listens to.
- Wanton destruction
- Female character with open or implied relationship with protagonist in the past.
- The crazy conspiracy theorist who turns out to be right and sacrifices himself for the greater good.
- The annoying kid character who stops the entire plot to focus on them.
- The token cannon fodder character destined to die in the destruction.
Having rewatched this movie last night with some friends, I was shocked it lacked a weird hallmark of Mr. Emmerich's later movies: the milquetoast stepdad character who is presented as an antagonistic rival for the main character, if only by way of being in a love triangle with his ex, who dies in an oddly horrible way you think would be reserved for an actual villain.
All _Independence Day_ has is David and his currently still single ex-wife eventually getting back together, meaning there's no need for Mr. Emmerich to kill some poor guy who hardly deserves it in particularly cruel and targeted way for once. Yay? (By *total* coincidence [/s], that particular romantic subplot feels like it's where you could mostly cut down the movie without harming it unlike the apparent exposition with David about how he made the virus so damn fast that *actually* got cut out.)
Yep, it is a formula alright.
A sub-class for the token cannon fodder is if they're also the step-dad. Though that only really happened in 2012 and Moonfall
(still weird it happened twice)
It literally moonfall
I love wontons. Especially fried wontons. I'll never forgive this man for destroying them in all his movies 😔
Fun fact. There’s footage and stories out there on UA-cam about how Randy Quaid’s heroic sacrifice was almost not a thing. Originally, he was going to fly his biplane with a missile awkwardly strapped to the side. The test audience laughed for all the wrong reasons, prompting a scared Emmerich to do an emergency reshoot to make it the version we see now. That’s why his hair is different after his “I can fly” line and why his shots in the cockpit are so different.
One of those rare moments Roland Emmerich made a smart choice to avoid something being too silly
Hate to say it, but I'd have laughed for the wrong reasons, too. It was a good change on so many levels. For starters, putting him in a fighter jet gave him A) a chance to relive the "good" parts of his past and B) made everyone, including him and his kids, think he was gonna walk away from this. And then the wonderful tense moment of "Oh no, the missile's broken. That was humanity's last hope!" only for him to _then_ decide to make the hard choice.
It went from a sorta-standard and lackluster suicide bombing to a heroic sacrifice.
In the DVD / BluRay releases it’s an alternate ending you can pick 😂
Honestly that probably would have been more believable than somebody learning to fly an F18 in less than a day lol.
It took me how many years to piece together that randy quaid basically anally probed the aliens back? Like that's his redemption piece
Like that black geologist that is best friend of the Xfiles guy on the Evolution movie :D
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17:54 I just realized this: when he sacrifices himself he’s doing it by flying into the anus of the ship. He’s doing to them what they “supposedly” did to him all those years ago.
It’s like poetry.
It rhymes.
Pure cinematic art.
The alternate ending is really priceless and sells it even better
"f**k you Rick Berman, you ruined this as well?!.. Wait a minute, that ain't Rick Berman... What is it with RICKS?!"
Faster, more intense
It's not a loop, it's a spiral.
People celebrate Independence Day with Fireworks
Aliens celebrate Independence Day with Explosions
and with Destructions
And we British go out and vote. At least this year.
Explosions so hard that they’d make Micheal bay blush
Fireworks are explosions
And will smith songs
An interesting fact, the first Independence Day holds the record for the most miniature effects ever in a movie... It came out right on the brink of the CGI revolution that quickly overtook Hollywood, and because of that it still holds the record and probably always will... Again, that's part of its charm. It sort of serves as a capper to a bygone era of old-school blockbuster filmmaking in a way.
My favorite thing about the sequel is once again, Emmerich has the film climax be an underwhelming chase between a yellow vehicle with our protagonists and a giant monster until they lure it somewhere for the military to shoot it to death.
He *really* thought that we didn't get in Godzilla lol
Thank god this didn't get a sequel 20+ years after the original
Lol, Independence Day: Resurgence (came out decades later, and I heard it was bad too)
@@cuckoophendula8211 read again
@@JDRoninstone Ironic sarcasm is now more apparent. Approved!
Edit: and of course my previous comment makes absolutely no sense now, lol
Cuz the sequel was too abysmal, so it ain't exist. Period. :-)
I know, right? Imagine how horrible it would have been, especially without Smith...
Fun Fact: The President's daughter was played by Mae Whitman who would later voice Katara on Avatar The Last Airbender Animated Series.
And amity from the owl house edit also remember the episode where Ross broke a little girls leg by accident? That’s the same girl!
and is Roxxie Richter from Scott Pilgrim
Oh dope
Her?
And Her? From Arrested Development
14:30 Why the Hell does everyone and their grandma forget the scientists said they'd been reverse engineering alien tech for decades, thus giving a perfectly good hand wave for how a computer built on Earth could interact with an alien device.
Because that's like saying that a computer from the 1950s could upload a virus into a modern military supercomputer.
Because computer virus or lets say malware works by exploiting vulnerabilities in the operating system, this is why there was the impression Mac OS was less vulnerable that Windows because virus written for Windows wouldnt affect Mac OS.
And I just realized what my example is considering the virus was done on a Mac, that is amusing for me in many ways ...
So even if they were "reverse engineering" the technology that would be hardware, not software because just like we write software based on programing language that in term is based on our language (just look at code, you can tell) the aliens would do the same, the whole thing makes less and less sense the more you think about it and even if you dont, well people know on a basic instinctive level we dont catch virus from other species (that is true and false but often is true) so you trying to sell people something they think its wrong.
Simply there is no way they could write code to infect a OS created by a alien species, its not really how a computer can interact with another because you can run Windows or Mac OS in the same hardware, you can even make Mac OS and Windows communicate with each other but malware will be designed to infect one or the other, a "human" computer can interact with a "alien" computer but malware would have to be specific designed to target the Alien OS.
Computers of different years often can't interface properly with computers from the same company that are just older, never mind from a completely alien source separated by decades, hence the eye-rolling.
@@shan4680 Sure, but you can build interface adapters and create compatibility scripts and whatnot.
@@shan4680who knew that in 1996? Not the audience. It’s akin to disliking Dracula because Bram Stoker didn’t understand blood transfusions (blood transfusions were the hot new technology, but Bram Stoker didn’t know about blood types).
I'm a 38 year old man and I still think this movie is the greatest thing ever. It has visual effects that hold up to this day, charming characters who are perfectly cast, kick-ass action scenes, and the most hot-blooded, patriotic music Hollywood has ever made. But most of all, it has that 90's fun vibe you don't get anymore, the kind where despite all the death and destruction, there's still a light-hearted tone to keep it from getting too dark, complete with fist-pumping 'hell yeah!' moments in the third act, and a happy ending that really works.
And you know what? I like the sequel, too. Is it as great as the original? No, but it does a lot of things right: The original cast aren't turned into depressed losers; the world is absolutely better off because of everyone's efforts in the first film, the destruction scenes are still as spectacular as always, and it is a lot more upbeat than almost every legacy sequel these days. And to nitpick, Whitmore's sacrifice forced the Queen out into the open and weakened her shield enough that it could be destroyed, allowing her to be killed, which saved humanity. If Whitmore hadn't sacrificed himself, the Queen would have survived, and humanity would have been destroyed.
In case I haven't conveyed it well enough, I love the first movie to death and always will. And hell, I'll happily take the sequel, too. And if there was ever a third one, I'd go out and see it opening day, too.
Hear hear!
Same for me
The sequel may not be better than the original but still it's a good film on it's own right
Your first sentence applies to me too.
Same here!
Obligatory “I’m baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!”
Maybe
Every single time
ID4 is the greatest movie of all time
For some reason UA-cam is offering to translate your comment. XD
Hello, boys! I’m baaaaaaaaack!
You just made me realize that the characters in this movie have a more positive outlook on the future of humanity while being invaded by aliens than I do watching the news.
I wish the aliens would invade, at this point.
because we can all agree who the enemy is in the case of alien invasion from outer space so we all have the same general idea about what we gotta to do, whereas in the real world we have mostly man-made problems and we can scarcely agree which men made them or get further than the brainstorming stage towards actually solving the problems
@@ValterStrangelove4419I mean, it’s obvious who the bad guys are in real life. They aren’t clever about it, I don’t think anyone who says they can murder somebody in Times Square and nobody would care is a good guy
Growing up in the 90s pre 9/11 was so different in every single way
Meanwhile, Arrival: One country nearly ruins first contact while another country is making good progress.
Something else I want to add: I know the first movie is corny, but I think it did have good heartfelt moments between the characters.
My favorite line in the whole movie comes from the darkest hour of the story, when nukes fail, and so extinction seems inevitable. David is drunk and his father tries to calm him down with honest encouragement, even while sharing his own past loss of hope.
"I haven't spoken to God since your mother died."
In my opinion, it's a scene does a lot with little, and helps the movie transcend beyond a special effects extravaganza.
Fun fact about the people on the top of the skyscraper. They had it packed with so many people that when the Helicopter flew overhead for the shot some people could have fallen off. No one fell, but a interesting fact none the less.
Before anyone asks about where I heard this, a friend of my dad was an extra in that crowd.
I remember in 2016 I got mad that my parents wanted to see Arrival instead of Independence Day Resurgence. I'm glad I watched Arrival instead
jesus christ Arrival was already 8 years ago?
@@gregory-of-tours unfortunately yes
W mom and dad
@@gregory-of-toursred dead redemption 2 was 5 years ago
Edit: 6 years ago
Your parents are a credit to our species.
It's extra baffling that the human tech in Resurgence never incorporated the aliens' shields when you consider that science fiction has been using "our shields are down to insert low number here percent" to add a ticking clock to battle scenes for decades.
They have. But they have yet to compact it to fighter size.
David used the base shields to trap the queens ship.
Its simply not mass produced tech at that point.
Uncle Space Xi even said to raise the moonbase shields. We never saw those lol.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895right, except the alien fighters had shields...and were of comparable size to human fighters....
A side note about shields in sci fi that I thought about yesterday.
They always say "angle the deflector sheilds" but the shield is always portrayed as a dome.
So what are they angling?
Deflector shields should be flat
@@sabbathjackalI always thought of it as changing where the brunt of the shield's power is concentrated. "Angling" is admittedly an odd choice of word for that, but that's the main way I could make sense of it.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 wow so you are saying the combined military and the r&d prioritised fking gravity on space ships instead of shield boy get that weak ass shit outta here
The greatest scene ever committed to film is the dog dodging the explosion. GO, ACTION DOG!
Even when I was watching the movie in 1996 on the big screen, I realized that the dog and the fire were never in the same space. The effect was a bit too "rear projection" even then.
The funny thing is there's a much better movie hidden in this one
The African guy mentions that he and his people have been fighting a ground war in melee combat for years against alien survivors, and that sounds like an amazing movie
Independence Day: Vietnam
Which movie? The first one or the sequel?
@@03-AALIYAH_GamingThe sequel.
"It has everything... Aliens... Explosions.... that was everything"
AND IT WAS GLORIOUS!
That's why the Transformer movies are successful.
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@@SourRobo8364exactly 😂
People are overthinking it. Think of Independence Day as a cheesy sci-fi Marvel movie. It hits the same beats as the Avengers films, which isn't a bad thing. It promotes patriotism and militarism mixed with comedy at a high school level for casual moviegoers. The special effects hold up, the cast is great, the president's speech is perfect, and the story is easy to follow.
This guy gets it.
It goes to show that a simple concept can go a long way with a great cast and excellent special effects. I think that’s what a lot of modern blockbusters fail to grasp: simplicity and balance. I’ve seen to many modern blockbusters tank because they either focus way too much much on lore and explaining things that it gets in the way of an entertaining/thought provoking story or they don’t explain enough and fall flat on their face. They fail to ask one of two questions: 1. Why does this matter? 2. Why are the characters doing this?
This is a christmas tradition where we watch it every year, even if it's on the telly we have to watch it to the end. A real soft spot in our house with this film.
When Santa comes down your chimney only it isn't Santa but a giant death ray.
Hello fellow humans
First comment on the second comment!
This guy might be a fed. Caution brothers
Hi, Fellow human, I'm totally from earth
Hi
Omg Obama is that you
We need a Stargate video now to complete the Roland Emmerich cinematic universe
Imagine if Independence Day instead became the decades running 10 seasons+spinoff scifi show. It could have happened
Or the sequel film and the canceled third film
@@Dystopikachu And then Emmerich would have also said how stupid that show is and his original ideas for a sequel were soo much better ... thanks to ID4 Part II: ID Harder we know how much that's worth.
🤔🤔🤔Come to think of it: Did he ever talk about the Godzilla-animated show that followed his stupid movie and was actually pretty good?
y'all need to watch moon 44, it explains why they picked Liam Hemsworth for ID4 Resurgence: Because he looks like a generic gay porn actor. And Roland Emmerich loves gay porn actors.
Yeah Stargate kicks ass
You know what would be an intresting twist for a sequel: Humans totally reverse engineer the aliens stuff and in the span of like 100 years build a giant 600km big spaceship and start to find a second planet to colonize. Well and then you kinda get the same plot as the original but now humans are the one in the spaceship and the aliens are tve ones at the ones who only have present day foghter jets and still manage to hack the giant spaceship with a alien apple mac
There actually is an animated movie almost exactly like that. Kinda a meh movie but it has an interesting premise.
I have never met a person who thought Independence Day was a CGI-fest. “Did you know they made the explosion by building a miniature and putting it upside down” is one of the most cliche fan trivias ever.
But I do agree it should be applauded and appreciated for doing all that.
Millions die, and straight after there’s a joke about John Lennon told by the old dad. It’s weird. I still love it
I mean, that's NOTHING compared to the cut to "But it ain't the end of the world, buddy." in 2012.
yeah sometimes humor makes it easier to digest, what is hard about that and 25 years to recover is nothing and pretty easy especially when we have the tech, hey they destroyed Houston, my hometown, but they mainly only destroyed Downtown. Houston city area is the size freaking Connecticut.
Oh pre-9/11 disaster cinema, were you can get away with showing entire cities getting destroyed and still have room for Will Smith to make a corny one-liner about "kicking ET's ass"
Death is meaningless in Disaster movies unless it's a main character dying. The heroes of Independence day didn't give a shit that half of humanity died. They were just pissed aliens attacked the human race and wanted to kick the aliens collective ass for that. There's no real inclination the heroes fight against the aliens to save humanity. No, they fight to regain their honor.
@@munjatkumo1929 wow your messed up with that interpretation. dam that's hearless, seek therapy.
The whole last jet fight scene is still so memorable to me.
I love how the aliens are probably all "hahaha these stupid creatures, thinking their pathetic weapons can do anyth- WHAT WHAT THE FUCK STEVE DID YOU TURN OFF THE SHIELDS AGAIN"
@@adamkaufman724 they forgot the greatest human aircraft tactic of all time.
If you don't have a weapon, you become the weapon
@@taomongkol5921 BANZAI!!!
@@taomongkol5921 the aliens should have done that in the first place
that would be more effective than hovering over cities
So happy that this video is blowing up, this channel is great.
I'm not even American and I watch this every 4th of July.. Saw it in the cinema back then and loved it ever since
This is my dad’s favorite movie. He owns a grocery store, so during 4th of July sales, he used the speech from the film and rewrote it about inflation. It was so good that the customers in the store started clapping and whistling. This movie may not be the best, but there is something special about it.
Lol I would have loved to have seen that. Sounds like you have an awesome dad.
Yeah right lol
And everyone clappe- oh wait.
Your dad has my respect
Those customers must really like balloons filling up with air.
They should have gone all out in the sequel. Human built battle cruisers fighting the alien motherships around Saturn or something. Gravity weapons launching asteroids. Deep space carriers like in Wing Commander. Just lunatic stuff.
C'mon now, that would require imagination and care to pull off!
Or they could've flipped it. Scrap the aliens. Humans have reversed the Alien tech and expanded out into the solar system. Human Colonies are in the solar system and they provide resources to earth so that they can make the alien tech. The central earth gov has become increasingly oppressive demanding more tithes from the colonies cause they're paranoid that the aliens will return. Then the crazy president from the first movie can lead the independence of the colonies from the earth gov. Which would be the plot, the colonies win their independence and humanity is fractured and weakened, then they can sequel bait with the aliens actually making a return as a post credit scene. Some shot of them flying past Pluto or something idk.
This would have been much better.
He should have made Moonfall as the sequel. Bill Pullman should have blown up the moon
The show Starblazers 2177 should be exactly your thing
i genuinely love your videos man they are so funny and entertaining.
90% of the commenters didn't watch the whole video, because they just say things like "this is my favorite movie" or "I watched this as a kid." They didn't even notice that the video is about 2 movies. Talk about attention span.
'90%' is a strange number
I think my favourite percentage is '32%' something about it just seems oddly specific but right when you're talking about percentages.
Anyway, I'm not sure why you're talking about percentages.
I hate to say that you're right, lmao.
Aw shucks, now aren't you smart and above the plebians!
@@munjatkumo1929 Thank you!
@@AtticusE-qs1vc I was talking to the grammar police actually!
I love that your own depiction of your channel page at 21:05 depicts you as having pumped out 3 million videos and achieved a total of 7 whole subscribers for it.
Accurate UA-cam creator experience.
The same ol' 7 subs snip
"We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. And should we win the day, the Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day the world declared in one voice: 'We will not go quietly into the night!' We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate... OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY!"
Topped off by random pilot dude giving the most epic salute ever
Will smith carried the movie
God, I love that scene
Which is when Trump stands up to deliver another stirring speech about sharks and batteries and will once again play his greatest hits: "Who wants to hear the Sssnake story. Ohhhh, you love that snake story."
While the country crumbles into dust and two nearly equal sides who hate each other more than any American has ever hated an enemy prepare for political violence. After a supreme court has determined presidents are Kings...
Yes, America, happy Birthday and GOOD LUCK!
You are going to need and, and believe me, this may be your last one before the country breaks apart. Maybe July fourth can become, American separation day. The day you all realize that you hate no one as much as you hate each other. Nice, real nice.
@@larrystevens7410 Calm down weirdo.
this really makes me realize that the reason why 90's Nostalgia can't ever be replicated is because most writers just lost the ability to be earnest & do dumb stuff genuinely thinking is the coolest
ID4 was such an influence on my childhood that I deadass performed the whole "today we celebrate our independence day" speech in my high school ASL class lol
Independence Day was considered 90's cheese back in the day, but now, I see it as a classic of sci fi action cinema in an unironic way. From the amazing effects, to the self aware but geuninely entertaining script, it still gets me hyped up because of its purely awesome charm.
That's the best way to describe this movie.
It may be cheesy and campy, but it has what a lot of movies wished they had: charm.
@@buragi5441 And you can tell the actors were having a good time. Wouldnt happen in todays greenscreen environments. Thats what always hits me about older sci fi movies. They do have effects, but at least the sets are real and the actors are in the same room together. Acting. Not just reading lines in an empty studio.
self awareness is so rare now
@@buragi5441 charm like Ralph Wiggum has charm
Honestly! It’s like a deep fried cheeseburger but it’s made with such high quality ingredients and put together so masterfully that you can’t not enjoy it.
“This movie had everything, aliens, explosions, that’s it!”
I concur, this had everything that matters
14:31 did not expect an ERB reference. Have to watch all of the videos again today. Thanks Cody!
I worked at a hotel in 2005. Independence Day was on in the bar, and I had to deliver room service to the VIP room. Robert Loggia answered the door. I asked him if he knew he was on tv, as we were speaking. In his typical, gruff manner, he asked which one. Independence Day, sir. "Oh yeah, we really saved the world on that one" in the most disinterested and exhausted manner. Peak Loggia, and I cherish the memory.
Yawn just people in for the money
Cool story
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That was almost a decade after he first did the film, and he was already OLD in the first ID4 movie! At his age, he must have been too exhausted to give a crap anymore. Poor dude. lol
No dog was harmed during the production.
But what about Boomer!!!
@@saisameer8771 Boomer will life!
Thank god. The dog was the moast important terran in the movie.
@@uselessDM [high-pitched squealing]
@@louisduarte8763I’m Mario
Hey, I adore your channel; the video brightened my day.
If you read Silent Zone (the Id4 prequel)
Dr Okun is granted a vision of a previous planet the aliens conquered. The suits were an aquatic species they conquered. They scooped their bodies out like oysters. Leaving the senses, the nervous systems, the musculature, anything useful beside the brain. When they enter the suits, they interface with the nervous system and become the brain. The suits are still living tissue but braindead. As seen in the second film, the suit can experience pain and even death. Once the suit has sustained enough damage to kill the suit, it pops open and ejects the rider.
I will always give these aliens an A+ for individuality. Ive heard "We want your planet" before. Or "We want your resources before" but have you ever heard "We want to scoop out your brains and wear you like body armor?" Now that is terror.
Imagine the bizarre uses this species could have found with a surviving human race if they won?
I shudder to realize that whatever they came up with would've been pure nightmare fuel.
Are you familiar with _All Tomorrows_ by Nemo Ramjet (C. M. Kosemen)? If you're not I believe you will find it very illuminating regarding your question.
Ok that goes hard as fuck I'm ngl
Colonials @@narumis
I think it was the novelization that also establishes that the computer virus Jeff Goldblum's character uploads works because human computers were one of the technologies reverse engineered from the crashed ship in Area 51.
Emmerich's movies may be junk food, but they have a way of inspiring tie in material that takes them seriously and expands the lore way beyond the intent of the original creator.
so the reverse of the Skyline movies. Where the aliens ant to scoop oout our brains and use them as CPUs to operate their bio-machines.
“Roland Emmerick orphaned A-Train.”
Another lovely addition to my ‘out of context’ collection XD
This made me spit my drink 😂😂
Yo I love your channel, video made my day
You are one of the few content creators who still make me consistently laugh on this hellscape platform. (Along with some Trixie and Katya and Nick DiRamio.) And I love the longer videos, man. Your movie reviews are f*ckin' great.
"Oh it's garbage, but I love it." Pretty much my thoughts on every Emmerich movie I've seen.
My response to Resurgence, honestly. Well, ‘love’ might be too intense, but it was still a way to pass some extra hours, that’s (probably) something.
Did you just imply Stargate is trash?
Also, sums up most 1996 action flicks:
ID4
The Rock
Twister
Ransom
Eraser
Executive Decision
Even Mission Impossible which was severely flawed, but nobody really cared as long as they were having a blast.
Moonfall and resurgence were actually bad, bad for his standards in his own genre
Emmerich movies are junk food cinema
“Imagine how terrible that would’ve been. It’s tragic we’ve never got it.“ this perfectly sums up your Emmerich love
UA-cam messes with my brain. At 14:22 I was fully expecting a Segway to the Sponsor NordVPN. "If the Aliens had NordVPN, David would not haven been able to hack them"
good to hear from you again man, never change , what we want is your deeper thoughts on slop
The biggest thing I hated about the sequel (and there are many things to hate) is that it fell back to that old trope of "kill the Queen, and everything else fails." I despise that easy fix solution to a giant problem. It's used so often. In fact, one of the greatest things I loved about the first movie is that it didn't use that as a solution. Destroying the Mothership didn't conveniently end the invasion. You still had to fight the aliens, one by one. That was admirable! Then the sequel had to screw that all up.
And I must say, I saw this movie in the theater when it was released. Five times. I was not a kid. It's not just dumb kids who like this movie. Dumb adults love it, too.
Yes!! How cool is the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind… compared to just shooting the queen?
What happened to Hollywood, why can’t they tell what’s cool anymore?!
@@davidbeaver958 Simple. They're only paying attention to marketing researchers telling them what will personally make them even more money.
@@aw3299 and end up losing money anyway because marketing researchers suck
Somehow by destroying the alien mothership, all the shields on the smaller ships went down. Also, none of the smaller ships were shown falling on the cities they were above, also how were they supposed to down these ships anyway? For just one example, Australia's air force would have been obliterated in the first 37 seconds of initial fighting because as good as the individual planes and pilots are, there's not exactly very many of them.
@@shan4680 Well, in the first movie, it wasn't the destruction of the mothership which shut down the shields of every other ship. They discovered that the mothership was sending signals out to them. So our heroes uploaded a computer virus to the mothership which disabled the shields, and that virus was sent from the mothership to all the others, disabling theirs.
Is that a stretch using an Apple Mac Book? Absolutely, but Hollywood treats computers like magic. They can do anything!
Point being, at least an attempt was made to not cheat out of having to engage in a long, grueling fight to push back an invasion. The studio could have simply made it so that you just destroy the mothership and all of the smaller ones fall. It would have saved them money from having to make that last epic aerial battle.
But they didn't do that, which is appreciated.
This video really made me realize that 2010s Jeff Goldblum just isn’t the same as 90s Jeff Goldblum. Not because he’s aged, but because he’s really just leaned into that eccentric weirdo persona as he’s gotten older. Like, you watch him in this or in Jurassic Park or hell even Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) and he’s a lot more reserved than what we see from him today.
yeah 90's Jeff Goldblum was great because he was the uncanny valley given human form
Everyone personality change with time
This movie is why I love fighter jets. 10 year old me was blown away by the air combat. 20+ years later, I have an SU-57 tattoo and have played every ACE Combat game.
Great video as always 👌🏻 lost it with the Reach section 🤣
Watching Independence Day on the 4th is like watching Die Hard at Christmas. It has to happen.
The plane crash is so iconic it even made its way into Metal Slug 2.
The original version where Russell flew his crop duster into the fight with a nuke strapped to it, practically.
@@christopherwall2121 yeah and that got scrapped later on (I think the scene exists in a directors commentary) and even that was too ridiculous and depressing.... so I liked how they allowed the borderline schizo drunk to fly an actual combat plane instead of a nuke strapped crop duster (can they even carry nuke ordinance?) to make the sacrifice with the vindictive joyful "Hello boys, I'm back!"
I've been waiting for this.. Seeing how you mention independence day a lot
Your videos are hilarious. pls never stop making them.
A fun little fact: “ID4” was the film’s back-up name. Warner Bros. owned the rights to another film called “Independence Day,” which Emmerich and Devlin wanted, and lD4 was spun up as a backup in case the filmmakers couldn’t pressure 20th Century Fox into negotiating for the name rights.
That always confused me, it makes you think there’s three other “ID” movies that somehow you’ve never heard of.
People assumed that Chinese moviegoers would flock to Hollywood movies just because they were being pandered to, but it was obvious it wasn’t going to be that easy. Sure, some movies did well, but even then there’s a question of whether the Chinese elements were really needed for the movie to be successful. The Meg is probably the most organic because it’s an actual Hollywood/China co-production and plays like it.
Yeah, I remember hearing that even Chinese citizens didn't like the pandering any more than Americans did, feeling that Hollywood was trying to cannibalize their film industry.
Speaking of which, China's film industry mirrors America's in that people have grown tired of overblown star-stuffed blockbusters and prefer smaller, independent efforts, leading to lots of indie films finding mainstream success. Funny how that works out.
Hollywood movies absolutely don’t need to pander to China to be successful. For example, Oppenheimer and Dune 2 popped off in the Chinese market. I think the irony is that Hollywood is being somewhat racist by assuming all Chinese people only watch mindless patriotic action movies when they are capable of understanding complex western films.
Like, if Chinese audiences want to watch a patriotic action flick, they’re domestic industry is perfectly capable of that.
The thing about Hollywood movies is that it doesn't need pandering. Everyone in the entire world watches Hollywood movies because they're *American*. China already has their own movie studios and their movies that represent Chinese culture. Hollywood attempts to pander to Chinese audiences makes their movies just look like a cheap knockoff attempt of Chinese culture in Chinese movies
If only they listened to transformers and put in a character with all the negative stereotypes of a race they don't like.
@@truggeredx4351yeah they have some bangers of patriotic movies
And some that are uhhhh they are movies
My first Roland Emmerich was The Day After Tomorrow and I was captivated by it. I went on to be enthralled by all disaster films, despite the quality. It wasn’t until I got a little older I realized they were all Emmerich films, and that’s why I have so deeply loved watching your videos. I’m glad I’m not alone, because I swear I have actual real good movie tastes, these are just fun though.
It’s a good thing that Independence Day was a box office success. I mean, there’s no way that someone would make a sequel to this movie. Right?
The Independence Day sequel is the closest I’ve ever come to walking out of a theater. It was painful.
I was excited to see it and the trailers looked really good. I took my friends to go see it.
I'm still apologizing for that to this day.
I was about to make a joke about how Hollywood has tried (and failed) to make Scott Eastwood a thing. Then I realized that the movie stars Liam Hemsworth, and that he and Scott Eastwood are, in fact, different people.
Got a source for that?
I thought he was Charlie Hunnam before Mr. Hub said his name.
I love Independence Day so fucking much. I am so glad this channel exists. You and I are on identical brainwaves about everything. This is amazing.
Hey, I still remember your Alternate History video about What If Independence Day Actually Happened. Gives me chills still, it was a very bleak scenario but strikingly evocated (and I've been trying to find the background music all this time!)
Comparing the aliens with their suits to Gundam and Ratatouille is really funny to me😂
this movie plays on a tv without volume on repeat every day at the restaurant i work at
Why? Sounds kinda dumb lol
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti youre telling me man, i live in australia
@@zachary_gongaga Was it big in Australia for some reason?
@@ColonelSandersLite lmao not that I'm aware of
That just straight up sounds like some kind of visual stimulation pacification, like some kind of pretty lights and motion to distract the cattle as they graze kinda deal lol. I mean, I guess it wouldn't change the quality of the movie much without audio, either way it's consciousness white noise.
Yo, best new content I've found in months. The halo reference, the way you wrote and described a better ending BEFORE showing me the real ending. Man it was so much better, the Pres got done over so badly 😓
I'd love to hear your take on "the lady in the water". it's one of the most unintentionaly hilarious movies I've ever seen
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Even better, it’s independence day
uwu yes
that's a fact
Cody is to Emerich as to Space Ice is to Seagal
Encontré este canal de nuevo, genial!
Realizing that the mother ship could totally be visible with the naked eye from the moon yet they still can't find it just blew up my childhood
I am German and the only connection I have to July 4th is this movie. I watch it every year and feel patriotic.
Thanks to my fellow German Roland for making it
I'm in the UK - hopefully by the end of this 4th July we will have something to celebrate here. (Looks that way, but never assume.)
@@unfeathered Well Sunak is done for, even before seeing results, so thats something.
On this day everyone is American 🫡
I am an American who watched this movie as a 13 year old. It was dumb fun and one of the few things I can look back on fondly.
I remember being a small child and hearing that war was forever over in 1991, then I was in middle school for the OKC attacks, in high school when the Columbine shooting happened. Still a stupid teenager as I watched 9/11 and saw smoke rising from the Pentagon while taking I 295 to get home, had the economy crash in 2001, got laid off from my first job out of high school, joined the army, participated in 2 pointless wars, had the economy collapse a second time in 2008 ruining my post army job (and destroying my marriage) watched most of my friends continue to fight in 2 pointless wars that we ended up losing....in addition to all of the post 2015 non stop insanity. But I will always love movies like independence day or The Mummy as stupid dumb fun where I could just shut my brain off and enjoy.
@@tonybrewer7536 Everyone except, well… a certain people that America did a lot of terrible things to…
Fun fact: the E-3 Sentry which crashes into the saucer has a radar capable of detecting fighter-sized targets at low altitudes at ranges of up to 200 miles, so the fact that this large, presumably metallic object that is *RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE AIRPLANE* not being detected by the VERY PROMINENT radar array atop the fuselage has always been funny as hell to me
Noone expects the to just hit a f**king wall while flying
The US Air Force had a mechanical oopsie at the worst possible time, I guess.
Independence Day, like Waterworld or Jumanji, is the kind of movie you have seen a dozen times, and yet when they put it in tv on a Saturday, you sit and watch.
Coz it’s a GOOD MOVIE, unlike the crap they produce nowadays
This was a great reprieve for the horrors of real life, thank you.
"Oh its garbage, but I love it."
Same here 100%.
I love how self-aware this channel is. Sometimes we can tell how much something sucks and still enjoy it without sugarcoating it! It's much more entertaining than just watching someone endlessly nitpicking it.
God damn, the editing is on another level 😂
Can I just say that the strategic planning and release of this video is an intelligent use of the UA-cam algorithm. Very “on point”
That Halo Reach analogy was hilarious!
I was obsessed with this movie as a young kid. I was 11 years old when it came out and I begged my grandparents to take me to see it opening day.
One of my favorite things about the movie was that, because it was in the era before DVDs and special features, Fox ended up having one or two primetime specials that strictly covered how the special effects were done. They showed off the giant fifteen foot wide model of the city destroyer that had several thousand fiber optic lights for windows. They showed off the puppets of the aliens and their suits. They showed how they had model kits of fire trucks and taxi cabs that they blew apart with a high-pressure air gun to composite them into the shots showing the destruction. And coolest of all, they showed how they made the giant city destruction sequences - they literally built 30 ft long models of streets in New york, raised them up on end vertically, and set off explosions at the bottom to film the fireball as it moved up through the buildings.
The movie has its issues for sure, but it remains one of the peak films ever made that uses practical effects.
I remember the Fox special on the show! The model makers who made the exploding White House talked about how they even put little nods to Bill Clinton in there, like his cat Socks and saxophone.
I also remember the "Breaking TV News Special" where it was basically a "news" broadcast of the Aliens arriving. Similar to The War of the Worlds radio broadcast.
I was NOT expecting that Frieren cameo lol. you truly are just like me fr fr
Truly brilliant as always
Your point on the post-cold war/post-gulf war attitude of the film is spot on. Always feel a lot of reviews of the film forget that
It wasnt just pre-9/11, it was pre- subverting expectations and pre- subjective morality and all that. Anyone who paid to see this movie knew exactly what they were getting, and they loved it.
ID2 flopping saved us from Emmrich making a Stargate reboot.
Do you mean with a new TV show or a new movie?
@@summernovah movie
@@summernovaha movie that regards the tv shows as NOT CANON for that matter
I saw every other movie you talked about that dropped in 2016 and I can honestly say I don’t even remember hearing about this one
The writing is great is these videos, and the references are hilarious.
Thank you for making this!!
0:03 NOT THE TWIN TOWERS CODY 💀
Worst thing to happen to the World Trade Center since the 1993 bombing.
Yes 911
ok but "scarab chases Noble 6 in a school bus" is a game I'd play
Me too.
It's too bad that Scarabs are slow as fuck, but let's be honest here, Hollywood no longer uses common sense (in a bad way for some reason?) so the Lekgolo-to-Lekgolo neural pathways having proper speed would be thrown out the fucking window (this too can be thrown out the window if it's convenient to the plot)
Today is my birthday! Thank you so much and have a happy 4th of july everyone
5:48 I'm about to clock out from my guard post and your repeated mentions of food are diving me to grab a big mac.
Damn you, Cody! Damn you!!! xD
43 minutes is appropriate for the best disaster movie ever made. This is genuinely one of my favorite movies ever. Bill Pullman's speech is the most inspirational moment in cinematic history and Randy Quaid sacrificing himself to take down the ship stll makes me tear up no matter how many times I see it
This. I don’t really think it’s really much of an alien movie. It’s a war movie. Its closest analogy to me is Pearl Harbor, but where the Japanese are aliens.
Didn't realize this video was 43 minutes long holy shit
I´m not even American but that Speech makes my heart goes to 350 bpm and brings the necesity to jump into an F-18
The movie was indeed dumb as hell. But in the theater when he said 'Let's nuke the bastards' the entire place erupted into applause.
These days, getting within 50 yards of Randy Quaid will make you tear up, and that's just from the stink. I mean to be deported from Canada, coo-coo
"It sucks, but I like it anyways" summarizes my feelings for just about every Z-grade, Asylum-adjacent, bad CGI monster movie you find on the SyFy channel.