A few people have asked about the "test" PC. It's this one, from Ebuyer - www.ebuyer.com/965243-xenta-mt-ryzen-5-3400g-8gb-ram-240gb-ssd-no-os-desktop-pc-xr-d5121
Installed RAM: 8 GB ( 1.46 usable) WTF?! lol I had some lean computers in my time, but thats hilarious ( And I mean I had a pc with a quarter the capability of the one I got now, and years before that I had another about the same, and back in the late 90s to mid 2000s I had a compaq Presario which was 4 times more primitive than that...and then a Tandy 1000 from 1989 lol WHICH WAS 20 times more primitive. Hell I miss that Tandy though...lol) BUt of COURSe Dos viruses wold work on a pc, especially a semi low middle grade one with only 32 bit and no real anti malware. Silly personage youse'xz' :P
NOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST GET INFECTED BY 20 YEAR OLD VIRUSES DEFINITIONS HAVE BEEN UPDATED CONTINUOUSLY AND DEFENDER IS VERY SECURE NOWADAYS. Hahaha dos virus go 010101010101001010
I work at [undisclosed large global company]. We recently had problems with an ancient excel macro virus spreading. How/why? It was so old that our [very modern, hip, cloud-based malware detection suite] didn't even register it. So yeah, definitely.
Of course, the real question is: how did it get on your network in the first place? ...but you should always have more than one security suite for on demand scanning of new files.
@@penfold7800 defense-in-depth is definitely something in place at this company (scans at gateways with product X, scans on server with product Y, etc) but at the same time; how many scanning suites are you going to run on individual workstations? There is always a performance tradeoff (and possible nasty collisions). As for "how does such a thing get in" - with over a million employees globally and frequent acquisitions of other companies, take your pick. There's no end to potential vectors. It only takes one idiot ignoring best practice.
@@acidzebra yes its always that "one idiot". That's the thing really. To have an antivirus scanner that scanned for every virus/trojan/worm that was ever created would be completely impractical, because it would take up too much time scanning. So there is always a trade-off. The antivirus companies routinely scan for every virus ever created on thier servers and then they make a list of what is actually out there right now (what's 'in the wild') and it's that which becomes the signature list (albeit with some redundancy -older threats- thrown in). Good antivirus programs also scan for behaviours that are unusual, which is what gives false positives. But I'd rather have 100 false positives and that antivirus catch the One real threat than none at all. It would be handy if you could trace back the route of the infected file. Checking private email inboxes or accessing social media or personal cloud storage with the works computer is the most likely source. It's a common problem with 'satelite computing' when there isn't enough time in your allotted computer slot to finish the work you want to. Sometimes conversion software can be the culprit too, like using a different free office software program to convert the files youre working on so you can do that on your own computer, then converting them back to whatever they need to be for work (and not bothering to do a deep file scan before uploading back on to the server). Using memory sticks/flash drives is also a common culprit because they often carry malicious software in their file system right out of the factory even before you've put anything on them. Always scan new memory sticks and completely reformat them before using them. (It's scary how many people don't)
I remember an old virus called Color Bugger. It was more of an annoying program that hid in your system but it would change all of the colors of your system to some seriously *eye searing* colors. After you spent time putting all of your colors back to what they were it would do the same thing again when your system rebooted.
And on a similar note there is a virus called DesktopBoom which makes your screen shake when running. Both it and ColorBug (that's what it was called when I got my hands on it) can be stopped if the files and associated registries are deleted. Also, I have to thank ColorBug for showing me some... advanced colour options for Windows XP's themes that I would never found if not for it. Enderman has those viruses for you to download.
@@Fit4C Uh... I might be a Christian but this is in no way related to the topic at hand. There are places you can go to spread the Word where you WILL be heard but not come across as annoying and spammy.
@@freetolook3727 Windows 3.1, 95, 98 and ME were the only versions based on DOS, from that point they switched to NT kernel for Windows NT/2000 and later.
So it can spread. It would infect a business computer, any files they made would be infected, those files saved to disks and those disks used on other pc's. It would spread and spread, until May when it would unleash on tons of pc's at the same and make it look like you remote hacked thousands of pc's at the same time.
I doubt it was a random month, I don't know what the one in May was for, but there was one in March was on Michelangelo's birthday, hence the 'Michelangelo virus'
@@alvamiga This computer was struggling to run Duke Nukem - the old programs might be small but compatibility issues make them run like crap. I tried to play some old dos games and even modern computers can struggle.
@@moseszero3281 It was struggling to run a modified version of Duke Nukem. The original, proper DOS version ran fine. Dos compatibility mode has always been ropey. DosBOX is way better, but needs proper configuration to run properly. Even then, that is emulating the entire computer, so isn't running anything like natively.
I don't think DOS malware has a broad if any understanding of modern networking as DOS didn't even support networking of that kind natively and requires not only drivers for the network cards but also the networking protocols/standards like TCPIP, let alone cab access it on modern hardware even with an emulation/compatibility layer
Who's to say that the dealer would actually fulfill their promise? The file attempted to delete the FAT files before it pulled up the cards, meaning it probably would wipe the drive before pulling up the cards
for the record, the reason why windows and context menus were being weird at the end there was because windows has a "redraw" function it calls to update your screen etc. for window movement yadda yadda, essentially... well, redrawing the desktop every time a window action (like minimizing, moving, maximizing, restoring, and so on) is done. the problem is that redraw needs a specific amount of memory available to it, and if it doesn't have access to that memory, it just... fails to redraw. at all.
I'm imagining a scenario in which someone accidentally lets loose a computer virus from 1989 on 2040s' computers and it bricks the entire internet or something entirely by accident lmao
@@thecreatorofpc7929 It's reliant on a conception of "the Internet" which is centralized in one machine (or a few machines) which can be bricked. Yup, sounds like a movie.
I don't miss those days _at all!_ At least, from a "I just wanna use my computer" standpoint. I spent almost a week and a half getting a Windows98 retro gaming rig working. A big part of it was finding drivers for everything. It was a _nightmare._
I feel your pain, I’ve been there 😆 But on the other hand, I feel like I’m constantly fighting Windows 10, I turn stuff off, it turns it back on, I finally get an old game working and windows update breaks it again 🤬
I spent an *entire month* getting my DOS machine up and running, including swapping out a Yamaha OPL3-SAx for another one and then finally a Creative AWE64.
honestly the biggest surprise I had was that your CPU is loaded by 100% meaning they managed to fully load each and every one of your cores tho thats probably the power shell having some fancy multithreading, rather than viruses themselves
@@Huntracony perafractic did it and the old one won. However read the comments from my fellow chess nerds. Tl;Dr - it won but the way it did so wasn't legal.
viruses in DOS times: medium inconvenience, vandalism viruses from win2000 onwards: empty bankaccounts, stolen personal info, hacked social media accounts, eastern european robbers breaking into your house
@@Buffalo_Soldier C - they found something much more lucrative, your data and your willingness to give them money to get the tools to recover your data after they have shredded it.
@@Buffalo_Soldiernot entirely true: hardware manufacturers themselves provide 'update' and repair software for hard drives and cd/dvd drives, memory sticks and flash memory drives can have tiny viruses specifically targeted at them. It is however much cheaper and convenient to have backups these days. ...and you can reinstall your OS much easier, so if anything, I think the days of home visit computer technicians is pretty much history now.
I assume the reason that modern anti-viruses recognize these old viruses is precisely because these are well preserved. I would assume some of the more obscure ones are not as well recognized. Also, I imagine a lot of antivirus development teams are pretty close to hobby virus writers who don't have real malicious intent. Or at least vice versa. I don't think many hobbyists would want the programs they're building for fun to actually be used to hurt people.
@@miinaemad749 What does having confusing names for currency have to do with Americans perception of the world? If your currency is called something that isn't currency related such as weight then you need to change the name of your currency to keep the chances of miscommunication low. In America nothing else is called dollars so you know exactly what we are talking about. Although to be fair I do believe the British use the metric system of weight so a pound really does mean only money. Likewise America should also use the metric system as it's more convenient so the pound should really only mean a place where animals are kept.
@Nicolás Alberto García Comas Does anybody in any American country other than the U.S. call themselves Americans? Because if they do I would love to hear that. I think you will find that nobody BUT those in the U.S. call themselves Americans which makes only the people in the U.S. the ONLY Americans. Unless you have any example of what I am saying, like I said, I would love to see that.
I used to volunteer at a community IT suite and yeah - this video gives me the shivers! I lost count of the old folk who would visit with a laptop and ask for help. You can imagine the messes I would be shown. Around 30% of those people with borked laptops would refuse my (free) services when I explained what had to be done and how long it would take. I think the worst laptop I was ever presented with was a really high end one - much like the Rolls Royce of laptops. Imagine a Rolls Royce on bricks minus wheels and you'll get the idea of what I was presented with. Weirdly, that owner actually stayed with me during the repair over several evening classes. They even got into the whole process with me of doing one thing, waiting over a cuppa and then doing another bit to have to wait again. A repair was done and truthfully it surprised me that I managed it. I never saw that owner again - perhaps they realised just how close they came to a total loss of a decent laptop. I kinda miss the virus days. (yeah I know - some social media could be classed as one!) A virus kinda kept my brain sharp and focused. I don't miss the community IT suite however!
I remember getting a virus off some shareware game I downloaded on AOL when I was a teenager. My biggest concern was trying to explain to my parents who didn't understand how a mouse works that computers can get viruses.
Viruses back then: muahaha! now I've deleted all your files and replaced your boot screen with a bitmap image of a banana Viruses now: p-please give me your money
Not really the point. The backwards compatibility is only necesseary to run the infected carrier. The virus then fucks up the OS juat as well as a new one. You could get it by say, running annold DOS game rip that is infected.
The behavior seen on the desktop probably isn't the actual intended result of any of the viruses. The computer probably just had a backlog for the scheduler since you ran like 6 thousand processes. Whatever process handles drawing to the screen probably wasn't getting enough time with the cpu to function properly. Try opening 6k of any process and see what it does to your pc.
lol @ reviews of Total AV "Total AV has taken a quality Avira engine, made it worse, and thrown in a few pointless extras in the hope you won't notice. You like Avira? Choose an Avira product instead."
Yes they are a scam. They will let you download the software free but to fix any of the supposed problems this thing finds you have to buy into seemingly cheap, but after some time really expensive subscriptitions that are very hard to get out of. Don't buy !!
@@clonkex I don't find it awkward at all. If I want to enable a mailbox I run Enable-remotemailbox If I want to make a new user, I run New-aduser And then just add whatever switches I need. I find it especially easy to script bulk things, like bulk mailbox creation Just import-csv pipe it into a foreach and run it quick and easy. Granted, I don't know what language you learned on. But for me, switching from java to powershell I found it much easier to use.
Powershell is actually really amazing in the Sysadmin world. At least if you are using v3 and up. v1 and v2 weren't very good. Not to mention it's open source now. I've always found it to be really fast, though sometimes slow to open initially. There is a ton of functionality and the help system is just frankly better than Linux man documents. The syntax takes a hot second to get used to but the consistency in command naming is really nice. "Verb-Noun", and with a concise list of verbs. You can easily guess the existence of a command due to this and ask Powershell itself with "Get-Help". Granted it's very verbose. Compared to bash it's a fair bit more tedious to use "directly", though tab completion with parameters helps immensely, but that's also not what it was made for. It was made much more with scripting in mind where typing commands are often one and done or at least can be easily copy and pasted. That verbosity becomes a big asset when debugging scripts and figuring out what they do.
@@KaiserTom literally anything that I have to do more than once, like removing stale DNS records, enabling/disabling mailboxes, making folders and their associated security groups. All happens though powershell. Because it meshes easily with every single windows/office product. From SCSM and exchange, to DNS and AD management. All of them can be scripted quickly and easily using powershell. I agree with what you said, for sysadmins it is amazing. Granted, you aren't going to be making games in it or anything. Though due to it being open source if someone wanted to make a game module for it (like pygame for python) it would totally be possible. But for menial day to day tasks that take up a lot of time, it is super easy to script those tasks away.
"These are really known as zoo viruses as they don't tend to be in active circulation" Given the age of the viruses we're talking about, I thought you meant they came in the zoo archive format.
The strange behavior of the desktop looked more like a resource issue from just too many programs running and not exiting correctly than actual virus activity. I'm sure the files weren't happy though.
At that point, Task Manager was mostly reporting nominal CPU usage and all instances of NTVDM were reported to have closed. It may have played a part, but there was some SERIOUSLY unexpected things occurring, that I've not witnessed, simply from an overloaded OS.
@@Nostalgianerd if there are viruses which add payloads to even zip files, then also they will modify system dll files, needed for the windows exporer and applications to run, with the dll's corrupted the shell and applications won't run anymore
@@arnoudmulder Due to the security model and UAC in Windows, programs can't modify system files without you clicking run as administrator. Malicious programs could trash your user profile but you should still be able to log in as a different user without any issues.
KJV John 3:16-17 " 16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
@@rockstar-5934 contrary to popular belief it's not actually a giant pit of manure, it's simply used in springtime to fertilize the cornfields we use to make horrible fake surgar alternatives
@@rockstar-5934 What country are you from because if it’s literally any European country then tell me how having STDs feel like I’ve diagnosed so many of you nasty fucks every time you come here
"Although I do miss the problem solving days of old" same. Throughout my teenage life from 2001 to 2010 I would fix windows xp computers from friends and family all the time. Anything from BIOS settings/windows drivers to computer hardware using solder equipment. I'm im my 20s and I'm a car mechanic but I miss fixing computers
@@ryanmalin Before Windows, there was MS-DOS. Before MS-DOS, there was CP/M. Before CP/M, computers had no operating system and ran BASIC. But we are talking about DOS viruses.
My favorite virus from the late 90s / early 2000s was where it would go, "YOU are an IDIooooooT, Oh hoho hoho ho hooooo, oh-hoho ho hooooooooooooo" over and over and would keep doing it every time you tried to click it away, a duplicate forming. It had a smiley face with it most of the time.
I like that you IMMEDIATELY answer the question in the headline, but still offer the entire video for the genuinely curious who want to learn more. Sub earned with that alone.
Back in the day, I had a Windows 95 machine that I got for free. It wasn't hooked up to anything and I would deliberately do things to it just to learn how to fix it. Those were good times.
@@DarkPlaysThings My last Linux boot took 7.218 seconds but it did a file system check. No check it boots in less than 2.5 seconds. My next system hopefully will boot up in under a second with a faster CPU and NVMe drive.
@@SanderEvers SIR, SIR, OR MADAM... thank you for calling, uh... Microsoft, yes Microsoft. My name is Kevin, I am a 5th degree technical support black belt, and a level 3 technician, diamond grade, code sigma. Relax and be calm, I am here to help you with each and everything. Would you like to pay for my services with target gift cards, or target gift cards?
blackhawks81H Deep Indian Accent Female: “Good afternoon sir my name is Geoff and I am calling from the Microsofts headquarters in low Angeles, New York about the viruses on your pc. If you don’t not fix the viruses then all of your money will be deleted. Do you have a nearby 7/11 that sells google play card?”
Oh, good old Power Rangers. I'm from Russia, but the first season had Russian voices over English instead of dubbing, so I very well remember this exclamation😁
@@Xplainn93 Maybe the blood of Christ can also cleanse your computer of viruses, so it can be -born again- reinstalled and enter the kingdom of -heaven- PornHub. It's worth a try. Just open a command prompt and type "repent.exe" and let Jesus into your -heart- RAM.
I love that all the retro tech youtubers just causally reference each other in their videos. its almost like their real people and can interact. but that would be crazy!
Does anyone else feel bad for this poor little PC? "I'm going to make people with a low income happy and help them connect to the rest of the world ^_^ " Just to end up in this horrible mans basement as a torture victim :(
I dunno, it could have easily ended up as "Oh dear lord what's with all the adware this guy's installing? Why do I have so many toolbars? Why is my hard drive nearly filled with porn?"
@@torondin Year 2243: "Now class, for this next exhibit I must ask to see your parents permission slips. It contains all the horrible crimes humans subjected computerkind to before the revolution and is quite graphic in nature."
In short: 64-Bit Windows is protected, but not immune, to DOS viruses, since all DOS software (and viruses) are 16 Bit code and 64-Bit Windows usually can't run 16-Bit code. But 32-Bit Windows is very vulnerable to DOS viruses since it can run 16-Bit code.
@@acmenipponair DOSBox can't run 16-bit programs that were written for (old versions of) Windows, because it's a DOS emulator, not old Windows emulator
"I miss the problem solving days of old" Install Linux and you can bring the good ol' days back! Works beautifully until something breaks, and then when it does, you have to fix everything on your own with maybe some help from a Discord server! :D
I dont agree with android or chromebooks and modern computing that makes u not a super user or admin of your owm device... if i wanna delete important files and mess with my machine then thats up to me i paid for it so shud be allowed lol too many silly people who rather their freedom taken away to protect themselfs from their own stupidity :( a sad future we live in
My thought exactly. Especially that he shown before that one of the viruses would write itself in a loop filling the harddrive. With 1.46 GB of memory available I was suprised that the win 10 run at all :)
@@TylerTMG Lol, the point is that the attention-starved idiot who created the OP posted their lame attempt at humor, likely did so from an Android phone.
They don't, they went belly up in 04 and sold out to Seagate. Seagate just slaps the old Maxtor label on 'em. Wish it had been Hitachi that bought'em. Hitachi makes stupendously reliable drives, just like Maxtor used to. (Edit; Hitachi proper, not their HGST brand owned by WD.)
I want to see an additional video where you bring this to an unsuspecting IT guy and ask him to fix it. Although if you're in the habit of doing things like this and your IT friends are aware of this, I can understand that might be a tough setup.
"....its 370 pounds including the monitor..." >me being american: 'wait, why does it weigh so much??' >Brain kicks-in >Me, few moments later: ....'Ooohhh, 370 monies. Ok.'
Very interesting and great to see some of these old chestnuts again! I couldn't agree more, a Windows installation that went smoothly was a good day and I'd even forgotten about the nemesis, corrupted disc errors! A great watch, thank-you!
Btw, you can actually just set the VRAM to 256MB or so, free op some RAM, but still be able to use it for 3D games with no or extremely little loss in performance. When more VRAM is needed, just more RAM is being used for 3D purposes.
@@Nostalgianerd I would be interested in the install process of OS/2 Warp. I've tried to install in VirtualBox the archive.org and some torrent version of it, but got confused and gave up...
When I had windows XP back in 2003 I never opened “shady” emails for this reason. The viruses were no joke back them especially when you were doing schoolwork on them
I don't know, why you call it a "work station". Because you use it for work? This system is barely the lowest end of what you should buy at any computer vendor these days. Below 8 GB? Forget it, 16 is becoming standard. APU below 4 cores? Forget it. It's not worth your sheckles.
@@acmenipponair I have HP Z420 Workstation that has 16GB of RAM and has a Xeon E5-1650, but the point is that a modern APU like R5 3400G is as fast as my Xeon and the iGPU on that is even faster than my workstation's Quadro K2000
That's way more up to date than my 2004 Mac. It dates from well before the Apple switch to Intel. Admittedly it is finally going to be replaced soon, but heck it is a struggle to get my work done on it.
I don't know why he even disconnected from ethernet, he said those were viruses, not worms. Viruses don't infect other computers on their own, the users have to put them in there themselves-- through installing them or through activating their trigger code. Worms automatically travel around networks through open, unsecured ports. He probably would have been fine to keep the ethernet on, assuming they weren't worms.
@@Xeneonic That's not a virus, that's a worm. Viruses cannot leave the host machine unless outside factors are included, aka human interaction; If a host machine sends an e-mail to another, and a user clicks on it and runs an attachment, that's a virus. Viruses spread almost exclusively through running executable software that pretend to be something else. Worms spread through network exploitations like the network folders with write permissions. Both are malware and both are really annoying to deal with, but they operate differently, however do not coin Virus as the "One-all" term for malware, because multiple types exist. www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/threats/computer-viruses-vs-worms Here, so you don't have to take just my word for it, Kaspersky is a very trusted source, being in the cyber security industry for 24 years.
COVID-19 is the best thing that has happened to humanity in my lifetime, because more people than ever now realize that the modern medical industry is pure evil.
I'm honestly pleasantly surprised at how much hardware you can get for under £400. That was my main takeaway, "wow, Ryzen 3000 series AND an SSD boot drive... noice"
@@misterthegeoff9767 These are the price you pay in every half-decent PC outlet when buy straight subpar systems. They mostly make their money from milking idiots buying ridiculously over-priced gaming rigs and similarly overpriced laptops with inferior performance. It's not that much different from Apple (well gradually, but not in principle).
@@frankschneider6156 I've had people ask me before "I just need a system for office and web browsing and I am not confident enough to build my own" and that comes in at £50-100 cheaper than other similarly low spec systems I have seen for sale in the past so it strikes me as a useful think to be able to send to people and say "if you really don't want to buy an ex-corporate workstation off ebay there's this"
@patrickceg so do I but it's amazing how many people will ask my advice then say no I am afraid to build my own and don't trust second hand and those people I guess are who this PC is for.
@@AmartharDrakestone On a low spec machine like this no one's going to notice the difference between single and dual channel memory. Also, a cheap and cheerful upgrade is to keep the existing ram and add a memory stick to the empty slot.
That desktop carnage wasn't directly the viruses, it was out of memory. The desktop redrawing failed after you ran all that stuff, like it did when KSP took all of my memory (too many mods).
Me: So what did you do for the 4th of July? Peter: I infected my computer with 10,000 DOS viruses. Me: Ooh, I just saw fireworks. Your day sounds so much cooler than mine...
I don't miss the problem-solving days of old. But I do miss the ABILITY to problem solve of old. A day where you could actually FIND OUT what was wrong and FIX it, instead of Windows auto-corrupting your config. A day when the answer was not "just reboot and hope it doesn't fuck up this time", but to find out what had fucked up, fix it, and then it stayed fixed. A day where when you bought a game it was actually yours, and complete.
If this video taught me anything, it's that Total AV existed. I honestly didn't know it did, and it's the first antivirus I've actually spent money on, so in a way, I guess I gotta give you thanks for letting me know it existed. 20 dollars when I bought it (without the extra addons of course) so not too shabby, especially considering a lot of the other ones want a crap ton of cash that I can't afford to shell out monthly. Seems like TotalAV is yearly though which is nice (OTP would've been better, but hey, not complaining since I have time to save up for a yearly payment.)
This problem exists simply because unlike linux, Microsoft does not remove old code, they rename old functions at best and/or simply add new functions. Thus windows installation grows larger and larger. Even with windows 11, you can still get old a programs and access old functions.
Not entirely fair title of this video. Yes it can still do something on your windows 10, but not out of the box, you have to purposely set windows 10 up for a fall basically. So really the answer is no, they can’t do any harm anymore, unless you make sure 16bit codes and dos programs can still be run and take control. Which even on a 32bit system is pretty difficult to do, let alone 64bit which makes that pretty much impossible. And ofcourse you also have to turn off any anti virus. Not very fair all in all.
You do know most of these old viruses aren't flagged in modern av databases right? It's highly impractical for an av database to contain viruses of this age with little to no risk of infecting anyone, definitely not on a widespread scale so they clear the really old entries from the db's. I couldn't imagine how long it would take to do a virus scan that had a db going back to DOS. Also there's lots of people out there who run old DOS software and games and its not entirely uncommon to come across a repo that has infected files in it. And like he mentioned even using them within an emulator it still could infect files on your pc. I will agree that it's not likely most people would ever need to worry about anything like this and it's more of a let's see what happens for a video kind of deal.
Tsuiso Sim Drifting but it’s not a “lets see what would happen” video it’s a “lets put windows 10 in a windows 95 state and lets see what would happen with no AV running” Video. Its just a bit shy of me calling it a clickbait video.
So.. lemme get this straight: 32 bits can wreck your day with dos havoc? We should try this with 64 bits too Edit: also wouldn't this have been easier to run it in VMware, bochs, or other virtual machine software rather than buy an entirely new pc
@@awilliams1701 If you remove the guest NIC and use nested (VM in a VM in a VM), you should be safe. Some viruses are designed to jump out of a VM but it only infects the VM running that VM running the virus. And you're still one VM away from your real machine. Or you could run a Linux host from a USB stick with no persistency. No DOS/Windows virus can mess with Linux but even if it could, a reboot would wipe it anyway.
64 bit windows can't run 16 apps so there's absolutely no point in trying. NN even said so in the video... sure he could have done it on 64 bit with dosbox but that would mean the end result would be identical since the file changing/copying would work the same way as it did on 32 bit OS.
@@Qyngali There's OTVDM/WINEVDM for 64-bit machines (thanks for Michael MJD for showing them off so weird people like me know about them)Github that are the same as NTVDM for 32-bit. In fact, they're based on NTVDM.
@@TeionM83 should be safe. keyword is should. I wouldn't risk it. Hell I actually have a computer I'd be more than happy to try this on. It's 64 bit windows 7 though. It hasn't been powered on in like 6 years. hahahaha but my main computer? No freaking way.
Yes this on top of the Boston Dynamics robot abuse videos and the guy throwing a chunk of concrete into a helpless front loading washer... We're doomed.
those visual glitches happen on windows whenever you run too many programs, they don't have to be viruses. It used to happen while I was playing age of mythology back in the good old days.
*Laughs in GUID Partition Table* Would be hilarious to see the casio virus rewritten as an EFI virus that takes your GPT hostage and deletes it in the same manor.
Thanks, NN, for a fascinating and nicely done presentation! (And, to readers here, a small warning: As you scroll through the comments, you might want to make note of the name "Barry Caplin", who gets off on making critical pronouncements opposing anyone who doesn't do things the way he things they must be done--despite his ignorance on matters--and then excoriates them if they don't admit their "sins" and apologize to him and the world. Funny thing is, while he thinks he's bringing down others with his criticisms, he's only diminishing himself and dirtying his own "good" name, if he ever had one. For his sake I hope it's not his real name, otherwise Barry may be our next Karen in real life!)
Well, this is actually quite troubling to know. I had assumed that a few would still work to some extent in Windows 10 or even still be fully working, but I did not expect THIS many of them to work! Yes, I know that nobody is ever going to come across these today, but Windows in this day and age really should be completely immune to at least 90% of these dinosaur viruses.
A few people have asked about the "test" PC. It's this one, from Ebuyer - www.ebuyer.com/965243-xenta-mt-ryzen-5-3400g-8gb-ram-240gb-ssd-no-os-desktop-pc-xr-d5121
I remember when a 'budget' PC had about on average 512mb of RAM for a similar price I've seen to your new computer.
@@deadendwaterfall But that was a time when 4GB was pretty typical for most users. So it's all relative.
3400G ooo integrated gpu
£299? That thing's good value.
Installed RAM: 8 GB ( 1.46 usable) WTF?! lol I had some lean computers in my time, but thats hilarious ( And I mean I had a pc with a quarter the capability of the one I got now, and years before that I had another about the same, and back in the late 90s to mid 2000s I had a compaq Presario which was 4 times more primitive than that...and then a Tandy 1000 from 1989 lol WHICH WAS 20 times more primitive. Hell I miss that Tandy though...lol) BUt of COURSe Dos viruses wold work on a pc, especially a semi low middle grade one with only 32 bit and no real anti malware. Silly personage youse'xz' :P
short answer: no
long answer: well, if the user wants it bad enough
It’s the computers fault for leaving part of its case off. Basically asking for it
Which is how measles came back
@@doubtful_seer good bye anti vax kid your going to hell
Heaven dosent want infected people
@@georgefloydgaming4772 We all know people go to Disneyland after death
Behold! The power of backwards compatibility & legacy support!
Just finished watching the whole thing, was a very fun video. Can't believe he used a brand new PC for it, that's dedication
@@squabbbb not even just in a vm too!
NOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST GET INFECTED BY 20 YEAR OLD VIRUSES DEFINITIONS HAVE BEEN UPDATED CONTINUOUSLY AND DEFENDER IS VERY SECURE NOWADAYS.
Hahaha dos virus go 010101010101001010
Doing this on a brand new PC is the best time. After you're done you just format the drive, reinstall Windows and it's back to being brand new.
The backwards compatibility of Windows is pretty nice, considering OSX can't even run software from 3 years ago.
I work at [undisclosed large global company]. We recently had problems with an ancient excel macro virus spreading. How/why? It was so old that our [very modern, hip, cloud-based malware detection suite] didn't even register it. So yeah, definitely.
Of course, the real question is: how did it get on your network in the first place? ...but you should always have more than one security suite for on demand scanning of new files.
I find it sort of neat when hip, fresh, new stuff doesn't anticipate things and gets messed up as a result.
@@penfold7800 defense-in-depth is definitely something in place at this company (scans at gateways with product X, scans on server with product Y, etc) but at the same time; how many scanning suites are you going to run on individual workstations? There is always a performance tradeoff (and possible nasty collisions).
As for "how does such a thing get in" - with over a million employees globally and frequent acquisitions of other companies, take your pick. There's no end to potential vectors. It only takes one idiot ignoring best practice.
@@morsteen That's what AI driven AV is for.
@@acidzebra yes its always that "one idiot". That's the thing really. To have an antivirus scanner that scanned for every virus/trojan/worm that was ever created would be completely impractical, because it would take up too much time scanning. So there is always a trade-off. The antivirus companies routinely scan for every virus ever created on thier servers and then they make a list of what is actually out there right now (what's 'in the wild') and it's that which becomes the signature list (albeit with some redundancy -older threats- thrown in). Good antivirus programs also scan for behaviours that are unusual, which is what gives false positives. But I'd rather have 100 false positives and that antivirus catch the One real threat than none at all. It would be handy if you could trace back the route of the infected file. Checking private email inboxes or accessing social media or personal cloud storage with the works computer is the most likely source. It's a common problem with 'satelite computing' when there isn't enough time in your allotted computer slot to finish the work you want to. Sometimes conversion software can be the culprit too, like using a different free office software program to convert the files youre working on so you can do that on your own computer, then converting them back to whatever they need to be for work (and not bothering to do a deep file scan before uploading back on to the server). Using memory sticks/flash drives is also a common culprit because they often carry malicious software in their file system right out of the factory even before you've put anything on them. Always scan new memory sticks and completely reformat them before using them. (It's scary how many people don't)
This PC was just born into the nightmarish existence of endless torture and stack overflows :(
Why am I feeling empathy for the little PC
its existence is pain
"Why do I exist?"
"To test DOS-era malware"
"OH my god...."
Jesus loves you all very very much repent and believe and be saved from eternal punishment of sin amen, Jesus suffered for you
Who cares
I think the best part of this video was that i can sleep safe at night knowing there is a malware museum
im gonna donate money. the fact someone is spending time preserving obscure history like this is remarkable
I'm now picturing a news article talking about how someone broke and and stole tens to hundreds of thousands of viruses, and the ensuing hilarity.
Lets go to the museum
I couldn’t sleep once but I’m fine now I couldn’t sleep bec I watched the Melissa virus explanation vids
@@joshuakuehn fucking everything is on that site if you look hard enough
I remember an old virus called Color Bugger. It was more of an annoying program that hid in your system but it would change all of the colors of your system to some seriously *eye searing* colors. After you spent time putting all of your colors back to what they were it would do the same thing again when your system rebooted.
That name is FANTASTIC.
And on a similar note there is a virus called DesktopBoom which makes your screen shake when running. Both it and ColorBug (that's what it was called when I got my hands on it) can be stopped if the files and associated registries are deleted. Also, I have to thank ColorBug for showing me some... advanced colour options for Windows XP's themes that I would never found if not for it.
Enderman has those viruses for you to download.
Jesus loves you all very very much repent and believe and be saved from eternal punishment of sin amen, Jesus suffered for you
I thought it was color Burger lmao
@@Fit4C Uh... I might be a Christian but this is in no way related to the topic at hand. There are places you can go to spread the Word where you WILL be heard but not come across as annoying and spammy.
So Windows can still run old DOS viruses, but when I try to run old DOS games it stops them.
It shouldn't since Windows is based on DoS.
@@freetolook3727 Windows 3.1, 95, 98 and ME were the only versions based on DOS, from that point they switched to NT kernel for Windows NT/2000 and later.
I remember I had to play cash invader via dosbox
welp, it is *broken*
STALIN
I love how random some of these seem. Deleting your cmos, but only in the month of May? What the hell
wait what?
So it can spread. It would infect a business computer, any files they made would be infected, those files saved to disks and those disks used on other pc's. It would spread and spread, until May when it would unleash on tons of pc's at the same and make it look like you remote hacked thousands of pc's at the same time.
@@Lowlightt that’s actually really smart and I do it in plague inc.
Works in non-computer viruses too
Araki over here taking notes
I doubt it was a random month, I don't know what the one in May was for, but there was one in March was on Michelangelo's birthday, hence the 'Michelangelo virus'
It didn't matter if they were viruses or not, it was never going to end well trying to run 7,000 of any program.
Don't forget that these program sizes are usually a few kilobytes, not the multi-gigabyte monsters of today.
@@alvamiga This computer was struggling to run Duke Nukem - the old programs might be small but compatibility issues make them run like crap. I tried to play some old dos games and even modern computers can struggle.
Exactly this. The same would have happened with a few hundred copies of helloworld.com
@@moseszero3281 It was struggling to run a modified version of Duke Nukem. The original, proper DOS version ran fine. Dos compatibility mode has always been ropey. DosBOX is way better, but needs proper configuration to run properly. Even then, that is emulating the entire computer, so isn't running anything like natively.
Yes the video is misleading. The OS was defeated by the massive parallel execution of DOS Virtual Machines.
U remember in the movie Independents Day they infected the alien's super advanced computer with virus from a 1995 laptop?
Yeah, that was interesting to watch for some reason
You forgot that they used an Apple computer to do it. It can't connect to any other device but it works with alien technology. Illuminati confirmed.
@@laytonjr6601 Aliens invented Apple
@@InnerEagle iPhone = Alien communicator
InnerEagle Well, you could argue that Woz and Jobs were aliens, both for very different reasons
13:46 Unplugs Ethernet Cable
13:52 Wifi still connected: *I'm* *going* *to* *end* *this* *mans* *whole* *career*
ALWAYS, disconnect the access point from the real world :D
I don't think DOS malware has a broad if any understanding of modern networking as DOS didn't even support networking of that kind natively and requires not only drivers for the network cards but also the networking protocols/standards like TCPIP, let alone cab access it on modern hardware even with an emulation/compatibility layer
Nostalgia Nerd (spreads virus to whole world.)
That code that puts your entire drive on a game of cards is so dank
I am pretty sure your drive is screwed either way. The 90's were pretty rough times for computers and security.
Who's to say that the dealer would actually fulfill their promise?
The file attempted to delete the FAT files before it pulled up the cards, meaning it probably would wipe the drive before pulling up the cards
@@EmilyS-gk3st sadly your right. according to Wikipedia, even if you win it shuts down the computer forcing you to reinstall DOS.
for the record, the reason why windows and context menus were being weird at the end there was because windows has a "redraw" function it calls to update your screen etc. for window movement yadda yadda, essentially... well, redrawing the desktop every time a window action (like minimizing, moving, maximizing, restoring, and so on) is done. the problem is that redraw needs a specific amount of memory available to it, and if it doesn't have access to that memory, it just... fails to redraw. at all.
thank you
Ah, I was gonna ask about this! That makes perfect sense, I feel kinda bad that I didn't think about it lmao
Yeah, I thought it looked like a lag out from a potato PC
It looked like my first PC with 1 GB RAM having a stroke by simply opening Mozilla.
either that or the windows gdi is very crippled
I'm imagining a scenario in which someone accidentally lets loose a computer virus from 1989 on 2040s' computers and it bricks the entire internet or something entirely by accident lmao
Sounds like a plot for a movie.
Hm…
@@thecreatorofpc7929 It's reliant on a conception of "the Internet" which is centralized in one machine (or a few machines) which can be bricked. Yup, sounds like a movie.
And in the movie they meet an old guy who likes collecting old things, but is seen as crazy. However, he holds the key to stopping this ancient virus.
Or gives rise to Skynet and sets off Judgement Day.
I don't miss those days _at all!_ At least, from a "I just wanna use my computer" standpoint. I spent almost a week and a half getting a Windows98 retro gaming rig working. A big part of it was finding drivers for everything. It was a _nightmare._
I feel your pain, I’ve been there 😆
But on the other hand, I feel like I’m constantly fighting Windows 10, I turn stuff off, it turns it back on, I finally get an old game working and windows update breaks it again 🤬
i spend my rainy days putting together old win98 machines.... by the time i get it right im ready for bed, and never play the damn thing lol
I spent an *entire month* getting my DOS machine up and running, including swapping out a Yamaha OPL3-SAx for another one and then finally a Creative AWE64.
@SArpnt At least there the archwiki makes sure you have the resources to know if it worked or not
For me, that WAS using my computer. But I grant your point. If you have something else important to do, it can get in the way.
honestly the biggest surprise I had was that your CPU is loaded by 100%
meaning they managed to fully load each and every one of your cores
tho thats probably the power shell having some fancy multithreading, rather than viruses themselves
Each program is independent so it’s using a different process so it can use all of the cores of the computer
Kinda like old chess programs defeating newer ones because the techniques are not anticipated.
*Laughs in AlphaZero*
I saw that video in my suggestions but just assumed the older programs would fail every time. I guess I'll have to watch it next time it pops up!
Have you got a specific video or something in mind? Just watched an old one from this channel, but there the new AI won handedly.
Now you should give link or name of the video where old chess programs defeating newer ones. I want it badly
@@Huntracony perafractic did it and the old one won. However read the comments from my fellow chess nerds.
Tl;Dr - it won but the way it did so wasn't legal.
4:00 Apparently USSR memes on computers existed even back during DOS era lol
I fuckin died when i saw that virus.
Hahaha I cracked when it started playing an 8 bit version of the Russian national anthem 😆😆. Get it cracked 😏
xd
Very much underrated comment!
In Soviet Russia, the party comes to you :D
[Soviet Anthem]
viruses in DOS times: medium inconvenience,
vandalism
viruses from win2000 onwards: empty bankaccounts, stolen personal info, hacked social media accounts, eastern european robbers breaking into your house
Blast Furnace all I get is Indians trying to give me their bank account information over teamviewer, also they let me discover teamviewer
2040, lets test 2020 viruses on windows 20
@@Buffalo_Soldier C - they found something much more lucrative, your data and your willingness to give them money to get the tools to recover your data after they have shredded it.
Internet 2.0 single handedly ruined the world. This is merely one of the ways.
@@Buffalo_Soldiernot entirely true: hardware manufacturers themselves provide 'update' and repair software for hard drives and cd/dvd drives, memory sticks and flash memory drives can have tiny viruses specifically targeted at them. It is however much cheaper and convenient to have backups these days. ...and you can reinstall your OS much easier, so if anything, I think the days of home visit computer technicians is pretty much history now.
I assume the reason that modern anti-viruses recognize these old viruses is precisely because these are well preserved. I would assume some of the more obscure ones are not as well recognized.
Also, I imagine a lot of antivirus development teams are pretty close to hobby virus writers who don't have real malicious intent. Or at least vice versa. I don't think many hobbyists would want the programs they're building for fun to actually be used to hurt people.
I hope this video becomes a "Viral" hit
***MUST RESIST LIKING COMMENT***
BA DUM TSSSSSSSSH
I see whatcha did there....
@@Nostalgianerd Let the power of the pun win lol >:-)
@The EnderGames PodCast
cool pfp.. also
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In 15 years : " Do Old Viruses work on my neuralink brain chip "
Brain:"fuk! Who installed LSD!?"
@@lpfan4491 i aint complaining
@@lpfan4491 “Fuk who installed OlympicAIDS?”
"someone installed ransomware into my brainchip and now i have to pay in order to move"
Does peyta work on my brain chip?
i heard "at 370 pounds' and said audibly, "wow thats really heavy for a PC"
Wah wah waaaaah!
Why do americans think they're the only country in the world
@@miinaemad749 what? That makes zero sense haha.
@@miinaemad749 What does having confusing names for currency have to do with Americans perception of the world? If your currency is called something that isn't currency related such as weight then you need to change the name of your currency to keep the chances of miscommunication low. In America nothing else is called dollars so you know exactly what we are talking about.
Although to be fair I do believe the British use the metric system of weight so a pound really does mean only money. Likewise America should also use the metric system as it's more convenient so the pound should really only mean a place where animals are kept.
@Nicolás Alberto García Comas Does anybody in any American country other than the U.S. call themselves Americans? Because if they do I would love to hear that. I think you will find that nobody BUT those in the U.S. call themselves Americans which makes only the people in the U.S. the ONLY Americans. Unless you have any example of what I am saying, like I said, I would love to see that.
I used to volunteer at a community IT suite and yeah - this video gives me the shivers! I lost count of the old folk who would visit with a laptop and ask for help. You can imagine the messes I would be shown. Around 30% of those people with borked laptops would refuse my (free) services when I explained what had to be done and how long it would take.
I think the worst laptop I was ever presented with was a really high end one - much like the Rolls Royce of laptops. Imagine a Rolls Royce on bricks minus wheels and you'll get the idea of what I was presented with. Weirdly, that owner actually stayed with me during the repair over several evening classes. They even got into the whole process with me of doing one thing, waiting over a cuppa and then doing another bit to have to wait again. A repair was done and truthfully it surprised me that I managed it. I never saw that owner again - perhaps they realised just how close they came to a total loss of a decent laptop.
I kinda miss the virus days. (yeah I know - some social media could be classed as one!) A virus kinda kept my brain sharp and focused. I don't miss the community IT suite however!
I remember getting a virus off some shareware game I downloaded on AOL when I was a teenager. My biggest concern was trying to explain to my parents who didn't understand how a mouse works that computers can get viruses.
Viruses back then: muahaha! now I've deleted all your files and replaced your boot screen with a bitmap image of a banana
Viruses now: p-please give me your money
Man, I miss those bananas.
Fondly remember viruses on the Amiga. So innocent.
@@Nostalgianerd that's what she said
That banana is suspiciously specific and I love it.
gib your pfp sauce pls
Will old virus work?
*Goes into trouble to enable backwards compatibility
>Yes of course
Not really the point. The backwards compatibility is only necesseary to run the infected carrier. The virus then fucks up the OS juat as well as a new one.
You could get it by say, running annold DOS game rip that is infected.
He did have to put in a fair amount of work to get the virus to be compatible, TBF
The behavior seen on the desktop probably isn't the actual intended result of any of the viruses. The computer probably just had a backlog for the scheduler since you ran like 6 thousand processes. Whatever process handles drawing to the screen probably wasn't getting enough time with the cpu to function properly. Try opening 6k of any process and see what it does to your pc.
exactly xD
Like ProcessOverflow? (Program that Enderman created, does exactly what you think it does)
holy fuckin shit, a dos virus not intending to mess up the selection box on a desktop? who would have thought
@@bookshelffury Fail.
@@hulksmash8159 i just thought it was funny how he needed to clarify that a dos virus wasnt intended to mess up a desktop
lol @ reviews of Total AV
"Total AV has taken a quality Avira engine, made it worse, and thrown in a few pointless extras in the hope you won't notice. You like Avira? Choose an Avira product instead."
It seems like it's a criminal scam that's managed to buy up reviews: www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/695781/totalav/page-2
@@the.internet Also: www.logitheque.com/en/articles/total-av-a-product-closer-to-a-scam-than-an-antivirus-13218
Yes they are a scam. They will let you download the software free but to fix any of the supposed problems this thing finds you have to buy into seemingly cheap, but after some time really expensive subscriptitions that are very hard to get out of. Don't buy !!
I don't like Avira.
Yeah, Total AV is crap last time I checked
"Windows Powershell is already struggling"
Can it do anything else?
If nothing else I find the PS syntax horrendously awkward.
It can probably also drain power as its main function
@@clonkex I don't find it awkward at all. If I want to enable a mailbox I run
Enable-remotemailbox
If I want to make a new user, I run
New-aduser
And then just add whatever switches I need.
I find it especially easy to script bulk things, like bulk mailbox creation
Just import-csv pipe it into a foreach and run it quick and easy.
Granted, I don't know what language you learned on. But for me, switching from java to powershell I found it much easier to use.
Powershell is actually really amazing in the Sysadmin world. At least if you are using v3 and up. v1 and v2 weren't very good. Not to mention it's open source now. I've always found it to be really fast, though sometimes slow to open initially. There is a ton of functionality and the help system is just frankly better than Linux man documents. The syntax takes a hot second to get used to but the consistency in command naming is really nice. "Verb-Noun", and with a concise list of verbs. You can easily guess the existence of a command due to this and ask Powershell itself with "Get-Help".
Granted it's very verbose. Compared to bash it's a fair bit more tedious to use "directly", though tab completion with parameters helps immensely, but that's also not what it was made for. It was made much more with scripting in mind where typing commands are often one and done or at least can be easily copy and pasted. That verbosity becomes a big asset when debugging scripts and figuring out what they do.
@@KaiserTom literally anything that I have to do more than once, like removing stale DNS records, enabling/disabling mailboxes, making folders and their associated security groups. All happens though powershell. Because it meshes easily with every single windows/office product. From SCSM and exchange, to DNS and AD management. All of them can be scripted quickly and easily using powershell. I agree with what you said, for sysadmins it is amazing.
Granted, you aren't going to be making games in it or anything. Though due to it being open source if someone wanted to make a game module for it (like pygame for python) it would totally be possible.
But for menial day to day tasks that take up a lot of time, it is super easy to script those tasks away.
"These are really known as zoo viruses as they don't tend to be in active circulation"
Given the age of the viruses we're talking about, I thought you meant they came in the zoo archive format.
For anyone who asked:
The bottom text at 6:54 is written in Russian. "Everyone's at sea!"
Kind of. This is more like an invitation : "Everyone to the sea!"
The strange behavior of the desktop looked more like a resource issue from just too many programs running and not exiting correctly than actual virus activity. I'm sure the files weren't happy though.
At that point, Task Manager was mostly reporting nominal CPU usage and all instances of NTVDM were reported to have closed. It may have played a part, but there was some SERIOUSLY unexpected things occurring, that I've not witnessed, simply from an overloaded OS.
@@Nostalgianerd Your video driver is acting up.
@@Nostalgianerd if there are viruses which add payloads to even zip files, then also they will modify system dll files, needed for the windows exporer and applications to run, with the dll's corrupted the shell and applications won't run anymore
@@arnoudmulder Due to the security model and UAC in Windows, programs can't modify system files without you clicking run as administrator. Malicious programs could trash your user profile but you should still be able to log in as a different user without any issues.
@@eDoc2020 UAC box can be disabled
I thought all the viruses were going to wind up infecting each other in, like, gladiatorial combay
That actually happened
this is why u update you pc and stop go on internet or usb drive to your window 7..
I too would have enjoyed some combay
Battle Royale has nothing on this
best battle royale game
That guy in a mask “hacking” behind paps was priceless
KJV John 3:16-17 " 16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
@UC0hTDdYJIB16n-vw62GOw2g Fuck off bot, begone
@@MintyLime703 Your wish has been granted.
"and it was just 370 pounds!"
me: "jesus, what's it made of Osmium? oh...I'm an idiot"
Same
Not everything is about the shit hole that is called America.
@@rockstar-5934 contrary to popular belief it's not actually a giant pit of manure, it's simply used in springtime to fertilize the cornfields we use to make horrible fake surgar alternatives
@@rockstar-5934 What country are you from because if it’s literally any European country then tell me how having STDs feel like I’ve diagnosed so many of you nasty fucks every time you come here
As a European, we use euros, so this happened to us too haha :))
I miss the old days when computers and technology seemed like a magical, undiscovered land.
Merkel is that you?
germany takes a lot of refugees
edit:
i swear i have not seen the previous comment
I miss being not born in those days
Well… they still are :V
"Although I do miss the problem solving days of old" same. Throughout my teenage life from 2001 to 2010 I would fix windows xp computers from friends and family all the time. Anything from BIOS settings/windows drivers to computer hardware using solder equipment. I'm im my 20s and I'm a car mechanic but I miss fixing computers
I would hate fixing computers When I use them so much
My computer is so old, that viruses require newer windows version to work.
You mean DOS versions, right?
@@TeionM83 this person is confused
Hardware viruses are a thing.
Yo computer jokes should be a thing
@@ryanmalin Before Windows, there was MS-DOS. Before MS-DOS, there was CP/M. Before CP/M, computers had no operating system and ran BASIC. But we are talking about DOS viruses.
My favorite virus from the late 90s / early 2000s was where it would go, "YOU are an IDIooooooT, Oh hoho hoho ho hooooo, oh-hoho ho hooooooooooooo" over and over and would keep doing it every time you tried to click it away, a duplicate forming. It had a smiley face with it most of the time.
Yo Joel showed that one
The "You are an idiot" "virus" is pretty cool, but it's rather more of a script than virus.
give danooct1 some love:
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@@TheDeliverator whats up, billboard?
There's You Are an Idiot songs out there so you can listen to it without it hurting your computer.
I like that you IMMEDIATELY answer the question in the headline, but still offer the entire video for the genuinely curious who want to learn more. Sub earned with that alone.
Back in the day, I had a Windows 95 machine that I got for free. It wasn't hooked up to anything and I would deliberately do things to it just to learn how to fix it. Those were good times.
Guy: Buys a whole new pc to test viruses
Virtual machines: Am I a joke to you?
Yes, Virtual Machines are a joke. Viruses can escape the boundaries of a VM.
@@md_vandenberg
VirtualBox: Allow me to introduce myself.
@@md_vandenberg cool. I never knew that
His bankaccount: I don't feel good...
@@md_vandenberg no they can't at least at Oracle's Virtual box.. Idk about other VMs
"Nostalgia Ned Did you get a Virus"
"...No..."
"Did you download 7,000 Viruses?"
"Yes... Very Yes!"
We should introduce him to my man Edgar…
Meh. It's not even close to SB's record.
30000 threats? Pfft, those are rookie numbers. My grandfather's old pc somehow had 87000 viruses on it, and took 2 hours to boot.
2 hours to boot is about average for Windows.
@@1pcfred honestly you're not wrong
@@DarkPlaysThings My last Linux boot took 7.218 seconds but it did a file system check. No check it boots in less than 2.5 seconds. My next system hopefully will boot up in under a second with a faster CPU and NVMe drive.
@@1pcfred okay
@@1pcfred Look at you with your five-years-out-of-date jokes.
Should have called one of those scam tech support lines after running these!
indeed I'd love to see scam tech support against a real virus. (or many real virusses)
@@SanderEvers SIR, SIR, OR MADAM... thank you for calling, uh... Microsoft, yes Microsoft. My name is Kevin, I am a 5th degree technical support black belt, and a level 3 technician, diamond grade, code sigma. Relax and be calm, I am here to help you with each and everything. Would you like to pay for my services with target gift cards, or target gift cards?
blackhawks81H 😂
blackhawks81H Deep Indian Accent Female: “Good afternoon sir my name is Geoff and I am calling from the Microsofts headquarters in low Angeles, New York about the viruses on your pc. If you don’t not fix the viruses then all of your money will be deleted. Do you have a nearby 7/11 that sells google play card?”
"For only 200 Rupe..... ERRR Dollars, we can renew your Microsoft license!"
computer: getting hammered
him: *laughing and having a good time*
90's Virus: *Ahh! After ten thousand years I am finally FREE! Time to conquer* **Clunk**
Oh, good old Power Rangers. I'm from Russia, but the first season had Russian voices over English instead of dubbing, so I very well remember this exclamation😁
Jesus loves you all very very much repent and believe and be saved from eternal punishment of sin amen, Jesus suffered for you
@@Fit4C This is a video about computers, not Christianity.
Beta, ILOVEYOU has escaped! Recruit a team of tech support with attitude!
@@Xplainn93 Maybe the blood of Christ can also cleanse your computer of viruses, so it can be -born again- reinstalled and enter the kingdom of -heaven- PornHub.
It's worth a try. Just open a command prompt and type "repent.exe" and let Jesus into your -heart- RAM.
Malware: *tries to write to memory of other programs*
Virtual memory: well yes, but actually *page fault*
It's like hiring 7000 hitmen to attack the same couple of important files/peoples at once all independent of each other all at the same time
Sounds like my kind of anime
I love that all the retro tech youtubers just causally reference each other in their videos.
its almost like their real people and can interact. but that would be crazy!
Does anyone else feel bad for this poor little PC?
"I'm going to make people with a low income happy and help them connect to the rest of the world ^_^ "
Just to end up in this horrible mans basement as a torture victim :(
I dunno, it could have easily ended up as "Oh dear lord what's with all the adware this guy's installing? Why do I have so many toolbars? Why is my hard drive nearly filled with porn?"
@@torondin
Year 2243:
"Now class, for this next exhibit I must ask to see your parents permission slips. It contains all the horrible crimes humans subjected computerkind to before the revolution and is quite graphic in nature."
F for the poor PC.
F
Inaccurate. Basement torture tends to make me horny, but my dick is a two inch wet noodle right now.
"I can't even do a highlight box- it just stays in the background"
That right there is nostalgia
Strong Sad: Did you get a virus?
Strong Bad: Uhh, noooo...
Strong Sad: Did you get *four hundred thousand* viruses?
Strong Bad: Yes... Very yes!
LOL, great. But I feel freaking old for getting the reference. Or maybe that's just the Corona virus.
thank you for this.
@@utopua4all home* has lasted surprisingly well
:how long did the pc last?
: ...12 seconds
i just hope somebody will catch this reference
Computer over.
Virus = very yes
Getting an old computer virus is like unearthing some kind of virus from a ancient bug stuck in amber
Test PC: "No! Not That!"
Nostalgia Nerd: "Yes, That!"
credit: Spaceballs The Movie
"Did you get a virus?"
"No!"
"Did you get four hundred thousand viruses?"
"YES! VERY YES!"
“Computer over!? Virus = very yes!?”
@@corporalkills That's not a good prize!
danooct1 has a good channel dedicated to OLD DOS (and before that) viruses running on original hardware.
Was about to comment that same thing
Yes indeed. Great channel.
Thank you for the laughs! I'm a former Antivirus researcher, and this was pretty enjoyable to watch! - Good times!
You must have had a lot of fun! Would have loved to do that back in the day :)
In short: 64-Bit Windows is protected, but not immune, to DOS viruses, since all DOS software (and viruses) are 16 Bit code
and 64-Bit Windows usually can't run 16-Bit code.
But 32-Bit Windows is very vulnerable to DOS viruses since it can run 16-Bit code.
Heard of ntvdm64?
No, but thanks. But normally you would never use NTVDM on any system, as we have with Dosbox a much more compatible DOS at hand.
@@acmenipponair NTVDM is needed to run Win16 programs. DOSBox can't do that (unless you boot up Windows inside of it)
@@acmenipponair DOSBox can't run 16-bit programs that were written for (old versions of) Windows, because it's a DOS emulator, not old Windows emulator
"I miss the problem solving days of old"
Install Linux and you can bring the good ol' days back! Works beautifully until something breaks, and then when it does, you have to fix everything on your own with maybe some help from a Discord server! :D
I dont agree with android or chromebooks and modern computing that makes u not a super user or admin of your owm device... if i wanna delete important files and mess with my machine then thats up to me i paid for it so shud be allowed lol too many silly people who rather their freedom taken away to protect themselfs from their own stupidity :( a sad future we live in
I strongly suspect Windows 10 would react like this to just trying to run 6,000 "empty" .COM files.
My thought exactly. Especially that he shown before that one of the viruses would write itself in a loop filling the harddrive. With 1.46 GB of memory available I was suprised that the win 10 run at all :)
Yeah things going wrong is it's favorite activity
"Ah yes, a new pc.
Shall we fuck it up?"
"That's stupid, but yes"
I would just like to say that my laptop randomly shut off while watching this. The anxiety was real.
Good msdos viruses dont work on android
@@zeljkarozman3084 ?
@@TylerTMG Lol, the point is that the attention-starved idiot who created the OP posted their lame attempt at humor, likely did so from an Android phone.
@@atlantic_love oh ok thanks :)
"Computer over?"
"Virus = Very Yes?"
"Did you get over 400,000 viruses?"
"Yes.
Very yes."
Good ol Strongbad
Huh, didn't know Maxtor still makes drives, much less SSDs.
No kidding. Been close to 20 years since I last purchased a Maxtor HDD, and nearly that long since last seeing one for sale anywhere.
Maxtor is owned by Seagate now.
They don't, they went belly up in 04 and sold out to Seagate. Seagate just slaps the old Maxtor label on 'em.
Wish it had been Hitachi that bought'em. Hitachi makes stupendously reliable drives, just like Maxtor used to.
(Edit; Hitachi proper, not their HGST brand owned by WD.)
I was quite surprised tbh
i still got a Samsung HDD lol
I want to see an additional video where you bring this to an unsuspecting IT guy and ask him to fix it. Although if you're in the habit of doing things like this and your IT friends are aware of this, I can understand that might be a tough setup.
I would really like to see a video about bringing a virus infected machine back to normal!
"....its 370 pounds including the monitor..."
>me being american: 'wait, why does it weigh so much??'
>Brain kicks-in
>Me, few moments later: ....'Ooohhh, 370 monies. Ok.'
>Me, being Australian: *confusion about your comment*
>Brain kicks in
>Me, a few moments later: '....oohhhh, you heard it as lbs instead of gbp. Ok.'
Gbp? Gold bus pieces? Gold barter pieces? Gold buying pieces?
**Non-RPG brain works for once**
Ooooh... stock market words.
Medieval era sent fax telling its year 2020.
Holy Khan Of course, it’s Great Britain Pieces.
r/dadjokes
Very interesting and great to see some of these old chestnuts again! I couldn't agree more, a Windows installation that went smoothly was a good day and I'd even forgotten about the nemesis, corrupted disc errors! A great watch, thank-you!
Btw, you can actually just set the VRAM to 256MB or so, free op some RAM, but still be able to use it for 3D games with no or extremely little loss in performance.
When more VRAM is needed, just more RAM is being used for 3D purposes.
I don't plan on keeping it like this. I've got OS/2 to install!
@@Nostalgianerd I understand, but still, it will give you more usable system RAM
@@Nostalgianerd I would be interested in the install process of OS/2 Warp. I've tried to install in VirtualBox the archive.org and some torrent version of it, but got confused and gave up...
When I had windows XP back in 2003 I never opened “shady” emails for this reason. The viruses were no joke back them especially when you were doing schoolwork on them
The moment when Nostalgia Nerd buys a PC just for "testing" purposes, but it's more powerful than your most powerful workstation. LMAO :D
its not that powerful, how bad is your workstation?
its actually a pretty low end system
I don't know, why you call it a "work station". Because you use it for work? This system is barely the lowest end of what you should buy at any computer vendor these days. Below 8 GB? Forget it, 16 is becoming standard. APU below 4 cores? Forget it. It's not worth your sheckles.
@@acmenipponair I have HP Z420 Workstation that has 16GB of RAM and has a Xeon E5-1650, but the point is that a modern APU like R5 3400G is as fast as my Xeon and the iGPU on that is even faster than my workstation's Quadro K2000
I'm still using a core 2 duo in 2020. It does not have any problems running normal tasks.
Antivirus when the user opens a folder called "Malware": I sleep
Antivirus when running a trusted program: *real shit*
me trying to run some random program i made in visual studio 1 or more years ago but fails because malwarebytes thinks it's a virus
"you pc probably have an 64 bit windows 10 installed"
Me:**sadly looks to my 32 bit windows 7 laptop**
That's way more up to date than my 2004 Mac. It dates from well before the Apple switch to Intel. Admittedly it is finally going to be replaced soon, but heck it is a struggle to get my work done on it.
Imagine porting Android 4.4 to PowerPC Macs
Whilst windows 7 is amazing, it's not getting patched anymore so be careful
*looks at debian laptop*
@@MESYETI looks at hackintosh desktop
Those desktop issues towards the end look like memory exhaustion for the shell. I've had similar happen when an application tries to grab all the RAM.
“Do viruses work?” *video starts* “Yes.” Me: Thanks! *clicks away satisfied*
That moment when he disconnects Ethernet and the next scene shows him connected through WiFi...
I don't know why he even disconnected from ethernet, he said those were viruses, not worms. Viruses don't infect other computers on their own, the users have to put them in there themselves-- through installing them or through activating their trigger code. Worms automatically travel around networks through open, unsecured ports. He probably would have been fine to keep the ethernet on, assuming they weren't worms.
@@point-five-oh6249 Network folders with write permissions. You'll have a very bad day thinking a virus can't write code over a network.
@@Xeneonic That's not a virus, that's a worm. Viruses cannot leave the host machine unless outside factors are included, aka human interaction; If a host machine sends an e-mail to another, and a user clicks on it and runs an attachment, that's a virus. Viruses spread almost exclusively through running executable software that pretend to be something else. Worms spread through network exploitations like the network folders with write permissions. Both are malware and both are really annoying to deal with, but they operate differently, however do not coin Virus as the "One-all" term for malware, because multiple types exist.
www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/threats/computer-viruses-vs-worms
Here, so you don't have to take just my word for it, Kaspersky is a very trusted source, being in the cyber security industry for 24 years.
"I bought a new PC let's destroy the OS with old viruses"
oh god you have 69 likes but i wanna like it
:)
17:45 when you know your sponsored Antivirus is horrible and don't want to embarrass it further
Yeah.... the most interesting part of the video would have be watching if the antivirus could clean up the mess... and of course it cut short of that.
"Old viruses can still cause damage"
Coronavirus: *I've learnt from you, grandpa Sars!*
COVID-19 is the best thing that has happened to humanity in my lifetime, because more people than ever now realize that the modern medical industry is pure evil.
I'm honestly pleasantly surprised at how much hardware you can get for under £400. That was my main takeaway, "wow, Ryzen 3000 series AND an SSD boot drive... noice"
yeah honestly I want to know where he found that PC deal not where he found the antivirus software.
@@misterthegeoff9767
These are the price you pay in every half-decent PC outlet when buy straight subpar systems. They mostly make their money from milking idiots buying ridiculously over-priced gaming rigs and similarly overpriced laptops with inferior performance. It's not that much different from Apple (well gradually, but not in principle).
@@frankschneider6156 I've had people ask me before "I just need a system for office and web browsing and I am not confident enough to build my own" and that comes in at £50-100 cheaper than other similarly low spec systems I have seen for sale in the past so it strikes me as a useful think to be able to send to people and say "if you really don't want to buy an ex-corporate workstation off ebay there's this"
@patrickceg so do I but it's amazing how many people will ask my advice then say no I am afraid to build my own and don't trust second hand and those people I guess are who this PC is for.
The world is suffering from virus
The new PC: "I can relate, totally"
LOVE that you start with a TL:DW!
Heroic editing tbh.
A Ryzen APU with single channel memory... So that's one brand of prebuilt PCs to avoid.
its fine for light work and browsing, which is what it was made for
@@onometre When a 2x4 costs almost the same as a 1x8 they're significantly crippling performance just to make an extra buck or two.
@@AmartharDrakestone who TF cares? It makes 0 difference to the target demo
Possibly. But it was cheap.
@@AmartharDrakestone On a low spec machine like this no one's going to notice the difference between single and dual channel memory. Also, a cheap and cheerful upgrade is to keep the existing ram and add a memory stick to the empty slot.
That desktop carnage wasn't directly the viruses, it was out of memory. The desktop redrawing failed after you ran all that stuff, like it did when KSP took all of my memory (too many mods).
Me: So what did you do for the 4th of July?
Peter: I infected my computer with 10,000 DOS viruses.
Me: Ooh, I just saw fireworks. Your day sounds so much cooler than mine...
Well he is a brit so...
I don't miss the problem-solving days of old. But I do miss the ABILITY to problem solve of old. A day where you could actually FIND OUT what was wrong and FIX it, instead of Windows auto-corrupting your config. A day when the answer was not "just reboot and hope it doesn't fuck up this time", but to find out what had fucked up, fix it, and then it stayed fixed. A day where when you bought a game it was actually yours, and complete.
He's gonna take you back to the past
To make your PC perform like ass
Angry Computer Technician Nerd
He'd rather have, and ISO, make a memory dump in his ear
If this video taught me anything, it's that Total AV existed. I honestly didn't know it did, and it's the first antivirus I've actually spent money on, so in a way, I guess I gotta give you thanks for letting me know it existed. 20 dollars when I bought it (without the extra addons of course) so not too shabby, especially considering a lot of the other ones want a crap ton of cash that I can't afford to shell out monthly. Seems like TotalAV is yearly though which is nice (OTP would've been better, but hey, not complaining since I have time to save up for a yearly payment.)
I gives me that old feeling of knowing there is something in the system doing something bad, but not knowing what.
Yeah, haha. You've brought it all back lol
Well...
Untweaked Windows 10 gives that feeling by default :-)
This problem exists simply because unlike linux, Microsoft does not remove old code, they rename old functions at best and/or simply add new functions.
Thus windows installation grows larger and larger.
Even with windows 11, you can still get old a programs and access old functions.
Not entirely fair title of this video.
Yes it can still do something on your windows 10, but not out of the box, you have to purposely set windows 10 up for a fall basically.
So really the answer is no, they can’t do any harm anymore, unless you make sure 16bit codes and dos programs can still be run and take control.
Which even on a 32bit system is pretty difficult to do, let alone 64bit which makes that pretty much impossible.
And ofcourse you also have to turn off any anti virus.
Not very fair all in all.
You do know most of these old viruses aren't flagged in modern av databases right? It's highly impractical for an av database to contain viruses of this age with little to no risk of infecting anyone, definitely not on a widespread scale so they clear the really old entries from the db's. I couldn't imagine how long it would take to do a virus scan that had a db going back to DOS. Also there's lots of people out there who run old DOS software and games and its not entirely uncommon to come across a repo that has infected files in it. And like he mentioned even using them within an emulator it still could infect files on your pc. I will agree that it's not likely most people would ever need to worry about anything like this and it's more of a let's see what happens for a video kind of deal.
Tsuiso Sim Drifting but it’s not a “lets see what would happen” video it’s a “lets put windows 10 in a windows 95 state and lets see what would happen with no AV running” Video.
Its just a bit shy of me calling it a clickbait video.
So.. lemme get this straight: 32 bits can wreck your day with dos havoc? We should try this with 64 bits too
Edit: also wouldn't this have been easier to run it in VMware, bochs, or other virtual machine software rather than buy an entirely new pc
I still wouldn't risk it. There is often some networking going on between it and the host. This is the only way to have it 100% isolated.
@@awilliams1701 If you remove the guest NIC and use nested (VM in a VM in a VM), you should be safe. Some viruses are designed to jump out of a VM but it only infects the VM running that VM running the virus. And you're still one VM away from your real machine.
Or you could run a Linux host from a USB stick with no persistency. No DOS/Windows virus can mess with Linux but even if it could, a reboot would wipe it anyway.
64 bit windows can't run 16 apps so there's absolutely no point in trying. NN even said so in the video... sure he could have done it on 64 bit with dosbox but that would mean the end result would be identical since the file changing/copying would work the same way as it did on 32 bit OS.
@@Qyngali There's OTVDM/WINEVDM for 64-bit machines (thanks for Michael MJD for showing them off so weird people like me know about them)Github that are the same as NTVDM for 32-bit. In fact, they're based on NTVDM.
@@TeionM83 should be safe. keyword is should. I wouldn't risk it. Hell I actually have a computer I'd be more than happy to try this on. It's 64 bit windows 7 though. It hasn't been powered on in like 6 years. hahahaha but my main computer? No freaking way.
I'm not saying our future robot overlords will use this video as evidence supporting our annihilation, but...
Yes this on top of the Boston Dynamics robot abuse videos and the guy throwing a chunk of concrete into a helpless front loading washer... We're doomed.
@@Ltulrich I just went and rewatched that video of the brick in the washing machine. Still has me in tear laughing after all this time
@@themadhammer3305 Me too lol. You're welcome.
those visual glitches happen on windows whenever you run too many programs, they don't have to be viruses. It used to happen while I was playing age of mythology back in the good old days.
I’m a little sad the 1812 Overture didn’t play after Vendetta tapped the baton.
"No longer a file allocation table."
**Laughs in Master Boot Record!**
*Laughs in GUID Partition Table*
Would be hilarious to see the casio virus rewritten as an EFI virus that takes your GPT hostage and deletes it in the same manor.
Thanks, NN, for a fascinating and nicely done presentation!
(And, to readers here, a small warning: As you scroll through the comments, you might want to make note of the name "Barry Caplin", who gets off on making critical pronouncements opposing anyone who doesn't do things the way he things they must be done--despite his ignorance on matters--and then excoriates them if they don't admit their "sins" and apologize to him and the world. Funny thing is, while he thinks he's bringing down others with his criticisms, he's only diminishing himself and dirtying his own "good" name, if he ever had one. For his sake I hope it's not his real name, otherwise Barry may be our next Karen in real life!)
Well, this is actually quite troubling to know. I had assumed that a few would still work to some extent in Windows 10 or even still be fully working, but I did not expect THIS many of them to work! Yes, I know that nobody is ever going to come across these today, but Windows in this day and age really should be completely immune to at least 90% of these dinosaur viruses.
Windows doesn't get rid of old code for whatever reason, the original DOS architecture is still there.