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yeah the turbine single pusher was for a military prototype that didn't get traction - pun intended - and it was not OEM supported, but it did perform well. Other problem is the extremely weak pressurization which really wasn't worth the trouble or expense [3.5psi?]. I was so disappointed to hear. but they are cheap.
When I was 14 I saw a sky master at the Nort Bend Oregon Airport and thought it was very cool. A mechanic was working on the rear engine. At age 24 as a A&P working on the rear engine of a 337 I realized that mechanic I saw was having a bad day!
Very nice over all walk-around and review. (The Best I have watched in a long time) I have owned all of the Skymasters, 336 up to P337s, even an O2 with over 10,000 hours of safe fun flying, many were over-water, jungles, hot missions, mountains, airshows or open water (they always brought me home). The TSIO550s with IR sensors and loaded hard points were the funnest to fly., along with the Adams A500. Please Keep up the with the good work General Sky
We love our '67 T337B. We have a belly pod which is great for our camping gear. I'm actually going to school to be an A&P so that I can work on ours and others as there aren't many left that know these pretty birds.
That’s awesome! Glad to hear you’re going to learn to work on it. You could make some videos on it. I’m sure people would love to see some 337 camping and maintenance videos!
I love these planes. I know they’re a bit more labor intensive but I’m going to buy one in the near future. Besides, It’s the closest I’ll ever get to owning a P-38. :)
I’ve got a 74 with the gear door mod, best mod for a 337. We have the cargo pod, which the book states only a 3mph penalty. Even with only 4 people it’s worth it to have the extra space for chocks and steps.
I had a highly modified stol, biturboed520, cupped leading edge, 3 blade reversing pops, elecgear, Loran, autopilot, king stack, landed in 200 ft with faa award. 6 passenger, drooping wingtip, 131 gallon, Whelen strobes, O2 AC intercom
I actually learned to fly in a 65 model the guy was teaching me for free I might add, he kept it meticulous. We had all kinds of nicknames for suck and blow, suck me blow you some I can’t remember but it was a great plane. Although we did lose the rear engine once let me tell you, you better be fast in getting that prop feathered especially if it’s the front engine.
WOW! I have never learned as much about any one aircraft as I did about the Skymaster in this video. I've loved the look of the Skymaster for 20+ years, and I've read a lot about them, but I didn't know half of the things in this video. I didn't know about the coupling between the electric trim and the flap settings. Is that true for all Skymaster models? The STC to remove the clamshell doors is amazing! I think I've seen Skymasters flying where you could see the wheels in the back; I guess they had that mod. I don't know why every single Skymaster doesn't have that. Wow! (well, cost, I suppose). Thank you so much for this incredibly thorough video!
This excellent video brings back some happy memories. I flew right seat with an old fellow in a 337, No. N6200F. It was painted dark blue with a red Z-stripe, drawing the nickname, "Nightfighter." He has passed, I am old, and the plane is long gone to parts unknown. Happy flying!
Maintained a pressurized model for years. Extremely complicated, expensive, noisy vibrating machine. We used to refer to it as the chafe master as the rear engine baffles were always worn. Overheating was a major problem even in a mild climate. Cool airplane.
Hahaha ‘the chafe monster’ 😂 Disappointing to hear how expensive it was to maintain. It’s a shame because they are a very interesting and attention grabbing aircraft!
I laughed when the UA-camr said the rear engine was the “cool” (I.e. sweet) engine, when, as you say, it is historically the hot running engine…and hence, the engine that usually doesn’t make it to TBO. Still, as with all runts of the little, the Skymaster has a rabid fan club.
About 20 years ago I was pretty close to purchasing a 337. Front engine had about 100hrs on a factory overhaul. Rear was 500 from hitting tbo. Living in Phoenix I didn't want to tempt fate with that rear engine overheating. Looking back that overhaul cost sounds almost cheap now. I ended up partners in a '99 182S. Boring but reliable.
Wow just found yall's channel and i must say i'm stunned you all don't have 1mil subscribers yet. Amazing quality and production keep up the good work!
Used to fly around NZ in an early 336 when they first came out - good level of thrust and climb capability (on both engines of course) and had no problems whatsoever with the landing gear lol
I remember when I was 15 learning to fly I new a guy that had one I think he paid $80,000 for it and put $80,000 in it and still had problems. We lost the rear engine on the way back from Jacksonville and he had nothing but trouble with the gear doors it’s been 27 years and rumor has it he’s still working on it.
XTA. Ahh I have a soft spot for that aircraft. Funny you mention the gear doors. I had a situation on landing after a fair stint over the water involving the landing gear but that might be a story for another time.
@@DeadstickAdventures SOO and XTA with the tip tanks can go out for 8.5 hours burning 60l/hr and have a very reasonable fuel reserve left. I've heard of others pulling the engines right back and conserving even more fuel, but I never had to do that.
Great vid, congrats! My grandpa owned a 1973 Reims-built FT337GP (I-PLAS) which I have been trying to locate for a while. Must be a complex machine to run without access to proper servicing.
I suspect that the Cessna Skymaster is probably the best performing twin-engined aircraft…..two engines with the drag of te engine’s nacelle, no yaw-tendencies during engine-out, no torque factor……great design……thighs that were designed in the 60’s and 70’s are the best design.
o love my 77 p 337 i have had her for over 25 years. not at all a good 4 seater. but i usally just hav emy 2 dogs and my wife. i have a baggage pod under it. a/c full new glass panel 2 years ago. i even have a old kitchen sink when i tell people it haas everything including the kitchen sink lol love that plane i use it for cross country i have also flown her to europe, across the pond dogs and wife hate that trip. but is more fun that taking a airliner. and no wacko people on it, and if you lose a engine the performance is more like a 182 i guess,< i have never lost a engine. on it problem with the gear door removal is you get a lot of trash up in the gear area. i also have a 75 bellanca turbo super viking. i use for local flights, another great plane very under rated and valued. cruises at a honest 200 mph.but really not a good 4 seater either. cabin is a bit tight. and not pressurized. but a beautiful plane. i hate it when i cant find anything to upgrade lol all i can do is wash and wax them. with winter coming iw ill be putting gallons of wax on them. as usual. maybe replace the sun shades lol
Wasn't the PT6 version a one off STC for the Navy? I would have liked to see a GE H75 but it is not avail as a pusher engine due to thrust bearing design.
Did the very earliest 336 version of the Skymaster have the best TO and sea-level initial climb-out performance due to it's more compact fuselage and lesser weight? Certainly the earliest version of the venerable C150 with the 'continuous line' fuselage aerodynamics, was also the lightest, and therefore presented the best power to weight ratio of all the 0-200 C150's, translating to higher TO and sea-level climb-out performance, when compared against the progressively heavier 'Omniview' higher drag versions.
@@DeadstickAdventures If you had the mod from the US, would it be possible to fit suitable fairings/spats, as you wont have gear doors to worry about..?
hey i have a 1977 p model and i call it a mixmaster in fact i have it painted where it used to say cessna i love it i am getting the mod for the front engine in tn it is a 500hp supposed to make it cruise at 300mph and a reverse prop in the rear, ir is painted a mother of pearl medium blue with lots of metalliac on it i am supposed to get it back end of this month i have owned it for over 35 years. i wont sell it. easy for us old farts to get in, compared to try to get into a bonanza barron i also have a 1964 straight leg with wheel [pants i do not fly it any longer it is fine in the hanger. plus i have a glass panel now.i also have the gear door mod and a bigger scoop on the top for cooling
Ive gotten into possession of two 02a, salvage condition. Are there brand new parts available for these 337b's. What companies do a complete rebuild and modernised upgrade?
Amazing how many interesting aircraft Cessna designed and built in the heyday of GA, not a new design in over 40 years and only 3 single engine models in production and all are fixed gear. At some point these legacy planes will time out, and the only used aircraft available in 30-40 years from now will be from Cirrus!
Hi. Interesting to know. I've been searching for a lower cost used military version, because fair maintenance, and less guessing what happened in the past and airworthiness condition is important. Just curious if you're selling it in the near future years. Ive done service time, and helping others, ongoing learning. It's rewarding to see progress. Stay safe always
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yeah the turbine single pusher was for a military prototype that didn't get traction - pun intended - and it was not OEM supported, but it did perform well. Other problem is the extremely weak pressurization which really wasn't worth the trouble or expense [3.5psi?]. I was so disappointed to hear. but they are cheap.
Having watched a lot of 337 videos, this is one of the best introductions for technical details.
Thank you
When I was 14 I saw a sky master at the Nort Bend Oregon Airport and thought it was very cool. A mechanic was working on the rear engine. At age 24 as a A&P working on the rear engine of a 337 I realized that mechanic I saw was having a bad day!
Haha yep they can be a bit of a hangar queen at times!
The installation of the rear engine is less than clean.
Very nice over all walk-around and review. (The Best I have watched in a long time)
I have owned all of the Skymasters, 336 up to P337s, even an O2 with over 10,000 hours of safe fun flying, many were over-water, jungles, hot missions, mountains, airshows or open water (they always brought me home). The TSIO550s with IR sensors and loaded hard points were the funnest to fly., along with the Adams A500.
Please Keep up the with the good work
General Sky
We love our '67 T337B. We have a belly pod which is great for our camping gear. I'm actually going to school to be an A&P so that I can work on ours and others as there aren't many left that know these pretty birds.
That’s awesome! Glad to hear you’re going to learn to work on it. You could make some videos on it. I’m sure people would love to see some 337 camping and maintenance videos!
I love these planes. I know they’re a bit more labor intensive but I’m going to buy one in the near future. Besides, It’s the closest I’ll ever get to owning a P-38. :)
Make sure you get a real good pre-purchase inspection done! Great plane though!
I’ve got a 74 with the gear door mod, best mod for a 337. We have the cargo pod, which the book states only a 3mph penalty. Even with only 4 people it’s worth it to have the extra space for chocks and steps.
That’d be a great aircraft! I should’ve mentioned the cargo pod option in the video. Such a versatile plane. I love ‘em!
I had a highly modified stol, biturboed520, cupped leading edge, 3 blade reversing pops, elecgear, Loran, autopilot, king stack, landed in 200 ft with faa award. 6 passenger, drooping wingtip, 131 gallon, Whelen strobes, O2 AC intercom
Very interesting content thank you. Well done on the production quality slick and professional. Looking forward to more in the future.
Thanks Andrew, really appreciate it! - Ash
Love 337's. Nice informational video.
I actually learned to fly in a 65 model the guy was teaching me for free I might add, he kept it meticulous. We had all kinds of nicknames for suck and blow, suck me blow you some I can’t remember but it was a great plane. Although we did lose the rear engine once let me tell you, you better be fast in getting that prop feathered especially if it’s the front engine.
Haha awesome. The early ones are cool with those observation windows by your knee. We call it the Mixmaster! Lol ^MP
WOW! I have never learned as much about any one aircraft as I did about the Skymaster in this video. I've loved the look of the Skymaster for 20+ years, and I've read a lot about them, but I didn't know half of the things in this video.
I didn't know about the coupling between the electric trim and the flap settings. Is that true for all Skymaster models?
The STC to remove the clamshell doors is amazing! I think I've seen Skymasters flying where you could see the wheels in the back; I guess they had that mod. I don't know why every single Skymaster doesn't have that. Wow! (well, cost, I suppose).
Thank you so much for this incredibly thorough video!
Thank you for the kind words. Really appreciate it!
I’m not 100% sure if the flap-trim system is on all Skymaster models sorry.
This excellent video brings back some happy memories. I flew right seat with an old fellow in a 337, No. N6200F. It was painted dark blue with a red Z-stripe, drawing the nickname, "Nightfighter." He has passed, I am old, and the plane is long gone to parts unknown. Happy flying!
I’m glad you got the opportunity to experience the Skymaster. They are a very unique machine! Sad to see the ones going to the scrapper
Excellent stuff bro
Maintained a pressurized model for years. Extremely complicated, expensive, noisy vibrating machine. We used to refer to it as the chafe master as the rear engine baffles were always worn. Overheating was a major problem even in a mild climate. Cool airplane.
Hahaha ‘the chafe monster’ 😂
Disappointing to hear how expensive it was to maintain. It’s a shame because they are a very interesting and attention grabbing aircraft!
I laughed when the UA-camr said the rear engine was the “cool” (I.e. sweet) engine, when, as you say, it is historically the hot running engine…and hence, the engine that usually doesn’t make it to TBO. Still, as with all runts of the little, the Skymaster has a rabid fan club.
About 20 years ago I was pretty close to purchasing a 337. Front engine had about 100hrs on a factory overhaul. Rear was 500 from hitting tbo. Living in Phoenix I didn't want to tempt fate with that rear engine overheating. Looking back that overhaul cost sounds almost cheap now.
I ended up partners in a '99 182S. Boring but reliable.
@@tz6516about a minute after he says it's the cool engine he mentions its tendency to overheat. I think he meant cool as in The Fonz
@@9HighFlyer9
Cool 😎 is a 337 with an electric motor:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampaire_Electric_EEL
Great video, love the sky smasher, definitely one of my favorites!
It’s such a cool plane hey!
Beautiful plane
Wow just found yall's channel and i must say i'm stunned you all don't have 1mil subscribers yet. Amazing quality and production keep up the good work!
Thanks Tyler! Appreciate the encouragement! ^MP
really enjoyed that video, loads of info on the bits you should know about if considering buying one. Love these aircraft
Thanks Tim! I really love the 337. Fantastic plane. Glad you enjoyed the video :)
Really good video
Thanks! 😁
Used to fly around NZ in an early 336 when they first came out - good level of thrust and climb capability (on both engines of course) and had no problems whatsoever with the landing gear lol
I remember when I was 15 learning to fly I new a guy that had one I think he paid $80,000 for it and put $80,000 in it and still had problems. We lost the rear engine on the way back from Jacksonville and he had nothing but trouble with the gear doors it’s been 27 years and rumor has it he’s still working on it.
very good
XTA. Ahh I have a soft spot for that aircraft. Funny you mention the gear doors. I had a situation on landing after a fair stint over the water involving the landing gear but that might be a story for another time.
She’s a good bus hey mate. Question for you: how many hours could you spend out over the water at a maximum?
@@DeadstickAdventures SOO and XTA with the tip tanks can go out for 8.5 hours burning 60l/hr and have a very reasonable fuel reserve left. I've heard of others pulling the engines right back and conserving even more fuel, but I never had to do that.
Great video - thanks. 👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
Great vid, congrats! My grandpa owned a 1973 Reims-built FT337GP (I-PLAS) which I have been trying to locate for a while. Must be a complex machine to run without access to proper servicing.
Oh cool. Thanks! The Reims ones sound pretty cool. Was it pressurized?
Such an amazing aircraft, I hope to fly or even own one some day!
They’re an experience! That’s for sure 😎
Hey the 337 is a very cool Plane
I agree!
I suspect that the Cessna Skymaster is probably the best performing twin-engined aircraft…..two engines with the drag of te engine’s nacelle, no yaw-tendencies during engine-out, no torque factor……great design……thighs that were designed in the 60’s and 70’s are the best design.
Would be much better performing if they squeezed in an extra 50hp on each engine! Good design though for sure. Thanks for commenting. :)
o love my 77 p 337 i have had her for over 25 years. not at all a good 4 seater. but i usally just hav emy 2 dogs and my wife. i have a baggage pod under it. a/c full new glass panel 2 years ago. i even have a old kitchen sink when i tell people it haas everything including the kitchen sink lol love that plane i use it for cross country i have also flown her to europe, across the pond dogs and wife hate that trip. but is more fun that taking a airliner. and no wacko people on it, and if you lose a engine the performance is more like a 182 i guess,< i have never lost a engine. on it problem with the gear door removal is you get a lot of trash up in the gear area. i also have a 75 bellanca turbo super viking. i use for local flights, another great plane very under rated and valued. cruises at a honest 200 mph.but really not a good 4 seater either. cabin is a bit tight. and not pressurized. but a beautiful plane. i hate it when i cant find anything to upgrade lol all i can do is wash and wax them. with winter coming iw ill be putting gallons of wax on them. as usual. maybe replace the sun shades lol
Wasn't the PT6 version a one off STC for the Navy? I would have liked to see a GE H75 but it is not avail as a pusher engine due to thrust bearing design.
That sounds correct. Would’ve been awesome with a Turbine!
Did the very earliest 336 version of the Skymaster have the best TO and sea-level initial climb-out performance due to it's more compact fuselage and lesser weight?
Certainly the earliest version of the venerable C150 with the 'continuous line' fuselage aerodynamics, was also the lightest, and therefore presented the best power to weight ratio of all the 0-200 C150's, translating to higher TO and sea-level climb-out performance, when compared against the progressively heavier 'Omniview' higher drag versions.
I’m thinking that you are correct
The sky master is such an underrated bird
Right? ^MP
Any black ones with red piping and a faded tail number of 101BL probably need avoiding .....?
Alright!
Super informative! Is there an option for fairings on the wheels to help mitigate the chance of rocks flying up into the rear prop?
Thanks man! 😁
The fixed gear 336 could have fairings/spats on their wheels but the retract models can’t
@@DeadstickAdventures If you had the mod from the US, would it be possible to fit suitable fairings/spats, as you wont have gear doors to worry about..?
Great informative video. Got the link there for the hybrid version?
Thanks Nick!
Here’s the link:
www.ampaire.com/
When you getting your Multi engine in this it will only be certified for Center line thrust rating only
Yep that’s correct
hey i have a 1977 p model and i call it a mixmaster in fact i have it painted where it used to say cessna i love it i am getting the mod for the front engine in tn it is a 500hp supposed to make it cruise at 300mph and a reverse prop in the rear, ir is painted a mother of pearl medium blue with lots of metalliac on it i am supposed to get it back end of this month i have owned it for over 35 years. i wont sell it. easy for us old farts to get in, compared to try to get into a bonanza barron i also have a 1964 straight leg with wheel [pants i do not fly it any longer it is fine in the hanger. plus i have a glass panel now.i also have the gear door mod and a bigger scoop on the top for cooling
Ive gotten into possession of two 02a, salvage condition. Are there brand new parts available for these 337b's.
What companies do a complete rebuild and modernised upgrade?
I believe most aircraft maintenance shops should happily work on your 337.
Es un avión muy muy lindo!
I flown in a 337 Skymaster and I called it a Mixer
We affectionately refer to it as the mixmaster
Amazing how many interesting aircraft Cessna designed and built in the heyday of GA, not a new design in over 40 years and only 3 single engine models in production and all are fixed gear. At some point these legacy planes will time out, and the only used aircraft available in 30-40 years from now will be from Cirrus!
It’s certainly going to be interesting to see where aviation heads in the next few decades…
Can fly at indonesia
Do you need a multi engine rating to fly this bird? Since there's no asymmetric thrust...
It’s technically Multi Engine, but it’s a special category called Centerline Thrust - you’re right, the endorsement requires no asymmetrica
Alright
alright
Thanks Andres!
want to know something i have a milltary skymaster where i live
Sure! Where in the world are you? Would love to see some photos or a video! Post to YT and send us the link
Hi. Interesting to know. I've been searching for a lower cost used military version, because fair maintenance, and less guessing what happened in the past and airworthiness condition is important. Just curious if you're selling it in the near future years.
Ive done service time, and helping others, ongoing learning. It's rewarding to see progress.
Stay safe always
Turbine model? Really?
Yep! A quick google search will show some interesting variations. Some with a sole turbine up front and some with it jammed in the back!
Expecting a phone call?
“This is your FAA inspector, we’re here to help.”
Alright?
Cool airplane; but the comintator, very annoying,so will go elsewhere...tired of the accent...
You don’t like my accent mate? I’m devastated 😥
Expecting a phone call?
Nope, I had the whole video script on my phone to jog my memory between takes!