In the summer of 2023 Mark kindly gave me a lift back from Alderney in his 337 when my PA28 had a puncture. Actually his Dad was P1 that day and Mark P2 and I had the mid seat as the trip was 5 POB. The take off was late afternoon so I still had a day out in Alderney. Alderney Airport tucked my aircraft away in the main hanger and I went home in style to Lee, a great experience. Was back in Alderney (this time via a PA28) a few days later with a tyre/tube assembly and the changeover took about an hour. Thanks again Mark. Thanks also to Jon for the report.
Lovely aeroplane! Really good video and Mark did a really good selling job on the aircraft - even though he 'll never sell! Having flown single engine to Alderney, I can understand the reason for liking two engines. Keep up the good work!
What an amazing aircraft! And what a lovely owner. It's good to know it'll be flying for a good few years yet with such a proud owner. Great vid Jon 👌🏻👍🏻
I always think of these as a military plane from Vietnam, used as forward air controllers and fitted with phosphorus rockets. Love it. Go watch Bat 21 with Gene Hackman.
Great video as usual. I have been an AOPA member here in the US for over 25 years. Greetings from a Piper Turbo Arrow III owner based in 1T7 in central Texas.
Great plane, flown by a a great guy. Love the sound of the 337 - there are a few that assist in aerial firefighting here in Oz. They do a wonderful job!
Great job guys, love the Cessna 337. I was menat to fly one at Budors in Hungary years ago but she went tech. Would love a flight but alas they are so rare, lucky Mark. 😀
I fear that many conventional twin, private pilots are out of practice wrt engine failure procedures without fully realizing this until it's too late. The 'mixmaster' solves much of this - but, as with all high performance aircraft, knowledge and adherence to SOPs is still important. I've always admired the centerline thrust Cessnas. Thanks for the closer look.
Thanks for sharing John. Interesting fact: According to the manual the rear engine is the critical engine. Climb performance on front engine only is less than the rear.
That one would have been made at about the same time and in the same factory as the ones we had in the Rhodesian Air Force, did over 700 hours on them. Ours had turbo's and the Robertson mods with the ailerons drooping with flap extension.
Years ago there was one based at Kidlington but haven't seen one in ages. The one at Kidlington was in a bit of a tatty state paintwise but i never got a look at the interior. It's probably drfinct by now. As i recall it was not that noisy compared with something like a 310.
I was told years ago that for absolute max range shut down the front engine and fly on only the rear. Cruise speed is still good but fuel burn drops by half! So his 7 hour range with extra tanks would be stupidly long! This looks a pressurized one so FL200 to help with range! Neat watch!
I got a twin rating years ago in a pa23 they fly like sophisticated single unit you get an engine failure then the problems start. Why the push pull method wasn't popular I'll never know.
Why would anyone comment about him not landing on the centreline? As it happens, I landed (For the first time)at Lee in August and I also took advantage of the massively wide tarmac runway and drifted a little. It’s fine. PS I flew in a Skymaster in Blackpool back in 1988, not long after I had got my PPL and it was really noisy outside according to my Dad who was watching.
People love to find fault. I think they think it makes them look clever. I can tolerate people picking holes in my own flying, but when someone has generously allowed me to film their rare aeroplane, I don’t think it’s fair. Hence the commentary requesting restraint. Hasn’t stopped people picking holes in other aspects of the flight though!!!!!
Cessna does it again. i believe the us coast guard still use them for low level over the sea surveillance. Becouse if the front prop gets hit by the sea the rear one because its higher up will keep it flying.
I am told that if you are not careful the rear engine can get rather warm and consequently can end up with a rather shorter life than the front. However I often craved one of these when I was flying.
@ Cowl flaps require you to operate them to be useful, also baffles need to be properly maintained, hence my point about if you are not careful. Having said that I think they are like Marmite love or hate. One thing for sure there has only, for some reason, ever been one fore and after design.
Nice plane. I wonder, when he switched off the front engine didn't you notice any rolling tendency because now the torque is not zero anymore? When both engines run, they run in opposite directions, thus cancelling out any torque.
Don't be fooled. Asymmetric thrust is only one issue in a twin. Takeoff planning for engine out performance in case of an engine failure is more likely to get you killed than asymmetric thrust.
You are correct, note one seat removed to aid access, but to stop being encouraged to be overweight. Fuel and passengers. Note the pre take off discussion, ref air speed and gear doors, Plane will fly a circuit at max weight single engine (90 knots). Rear has more thrust.
I never did understand why the CAA wouldn't insist on life jackets being worn if you were flying over water. I understand altitude and glide distance, but what if you had a trim or elevator catastrophe happen? I would never NOT wear a life jacket in these circumstances.
@@TheFlyingReporter I think the difference, Jon, is the fact that it is much more likely that a light aircraft will get into serious difficulties than airliners.
@@SadBstardWell you stay on your couch and dream about ever more draconian laws being imposed on top of all the others and leave the big boy real world to the rest of us.
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In the summer of 2023 Mark kindly gave me a lift back from Alderney in his 337 when my PA28 had a puncture. Actually his Dad was P1 that day and Mark P2 and I had the mid seat as the trip was 5 POB. The take off was late afternoon so I still had a day out in Alderney. Alderney Airport tucked my aircraft away in the main hanger and I went home in style to Lee, a great experience. Was back in Alderney (this time via a PA28) a few days later with a tyre/tube assembly and the changeover took about an hour. Thanks again Mark. Thanks also to Jon for the report.
Lovely plane, been a fan since first seeing a video of one a couple of years ago.
Great video John, enjoyed watching.
Great video! I remember seeing these flying in and out of Hurn in the '70s. and was fascinated by them.
Wow, one of the best videos from you John. Interesting, informative and a plane I'd never previously heard of. Just great.
Mark is a lovely chap. Great to see his Skymaster featured!
Lovely aeroplane! Really good video and Mark did a really good selling job on the aircraft - even though he 'll never sell! Having flown single engine to Alderney, I can understand the reason for liking two engines. Keep up the good work!
More hands on plane reviews please 😊❤🎉
I'd never heard of it! What an interesting aircraft and a lovely passionate chap as well.
What an amazing aircraft! And what a lovely owner. It's good to know it'll be flying for a good few years yet with such a proud owner. Great vid Jon 👌🏻👍🏻
Really enjoyed that as usual John - thanks to Mark for sharing his pride 'n' joy!
Nice plane - i had never even heard of this until this video. Always interesting to see something different. Thanks Mark for showing us all.
I always think of these as a military plane from Vietnam, used as forward air controllers and fitted with phosphorus rockets. Love it. Go watch Bat 21 with Gene Hackman.
Lovely video of a lovely aircraft. Enjoyed helping Mark and Les get her back in the air.
Beautiful aircraft, Mark. Thank you both.
It would make skydiving interesting.
What a cracking aircraft!
Very interesting video, Jon.
Best wishes from Wirral, as ever.
Excellent video. Interesting to see the engine shut-down and restart mid flight.. great plane and pilot.
Great video as usual. I have been an AOPA member here in the US for over 25 years. Greetings from a Piper Turbo Arrow III owner based in 1T7 in central Texas.
What a cool plane, with a cool owner. Thanks for sharing.
Love the 337, thanks for a great video 😊
Great plane, flown by a a great guy. Love the sound of the 337 - there are a few that assist in aerial firefighting here in Oz. They do a wonderful job!
It would be really cool to see more of these types of videos
Back in the 70's I used to fly a lot with my work on single engine and push/pulls. The twins always made me feel more secure.
A great aircraft, I used to fly a police 337 out of Carlisle.
Amazing aircraft flown by an amazing man! Mark normally flies that thing inverted and can land it sideways in a hurricane. Just saying
Great job guys, love the Cessna 337. I was menat to fly one at Budors in Hungary years ago but she went tech. Would love a flight but alas they are so rare, lucky Mark. 😀
I concur, what a fantastic aircraft. Thanks for the insight, Jon.
On departure “ there won’t be any problems” prophetic words! Oh and please keep a hand on the throttles for take off and initial climb….
Glad you enjoyed the video
It’s a great plane… I made a video about my friend Peter’s Skymaster which he keeps down here in Biscarrosse.
A rare beauty!
Pretty sure I heard you on the Southend radar frequency this afternoon! Hope it was a nice flight, gorgeous winter weather.
Fantastic! Let me know when you’re in Toronto, Jon!
Lovely chap, lovely plane! Nice!
I fear that many conventional twin, private pilots are out of practice wrt engine failure procedures without fully realizing this until it's too late. The 'mixmaster' solves much of this - but, as with all high performance aircraft, knowledge and adherence to SOPs is still important. I've always admired the centerline thrust Cessnas. Thanks for the closer look.
Such a cool machine.
Good a/c O2 Skymaster flown one ages ago in Iran/ Ramsar.
I fly it virtually a lot and love it's handling and range
Thanks for sharing John. Interesting fact: According to the manual the rear engine is the critical engine. Climb performance on front engine only is less than the rear.
Love your videos Jon.
I love these planes, ever since watching the film BAT-21 :D
I'm also building a 1/5 scale RC one
What a brilliant video Thank you
Back in the 70’s a family friend (Ted) flew one. I would occasionally go with him on short trips
I used to love it when a Skymaster turned up overhead my village for the annual Kent Messenger Air race from Rochester.
Lovely airplane design and platform.
That one would have been made at about the same time and in the same factory as the ones we had in the Rhodesian Air Force, did over 700 hours on them. Ours had turbo's and the Robertson mods with the ailerons drooping with flap extension.
Years ago there was one based at Kidlington but haven't seen one in ages. The one at Kidlington was in a bit of a tatty state paintwise but i never got a look at the interior. It's probably drfinct by now. As i recall it was not that noisy compared with something like a 310.
I was told years ago that for absolute max range shut down the front engine and fly on only the rear.
Cruise speed is still good but fuel burn drops by half!
So his 7 hour range with extra tanks would be stupidly long!
This looks a pressurized one so FL200 to help with range!
Neat watch!
Enjoyed that!!
Awesome machine. We had some on the Portuguese Air Force,
I got a twin rating years ago in a pa23 they fly like sophisticated single unit you get an engine failure then the problems start.
Why the push pull method wasn't popular I'll never know.
What a cool aircraft. I wish someone would come up with a similar design using a modern powerplant.
More modern like how? The brand new Beech Barons coming off the assembly line use pretty much the exact same engine technology as a 1968 337.
Ready good video, very informative. Thank you.
Nice aircraft. Is there no shoulder strap for the lefthand seat?
Why would anyone comment about him not landing on the centreline? As it happens, I landed (For the first time)at Lee in August and I also took advantage of the massively wide tarmac runway and drifted a little. It’s fine. PS I flew in a Skymaster in Blackpool back in 1988, not long after I had got my PPL and it was really noisy outside according to my Dad who was watching.
People love to find fault. I think they think it makes them look clever. I can tolerate people picking holes in my own flying, but when someone has generously allowed me to film their rare aeroplane, I don’t think it’s fair. Hence the commentary requesting restraint. Hasn’t stopped people picking holes in other aspects of the flight though!!!!!
We don't only drive on the left in this country.
They used to fly these in Vietnam with rockets under the wings.
Great video! Twin commander next please!
A 336 makes a surprisingly good bush plane in Alaska. Bush wheels and and all
Cessna does it again. i believe the us coast guard still use them for low level over the sea surveillance. Becouse if the front prop gets hit by the sea the rear one because its higher up will keep it flying.
I am told that if you are not careful the rear engine can get rather warm and consequently can end up with a rather shorter life than the front. However I often craved one of these when I was flying.
I have an NA 337….never have seen either engine overheat
Engines have Cowl Flaps for additional cooling, maybe needed in Florida, but not in the UK.
@ Cowl flaps require you to operate them to be useful, also baffles need to be properly maintained, hence my point about if you are not careful. Having said that I think they are like Marmite love or hate. One thing for sure there has only, for some reason, ever been one fore and after design.
My dad sold that aircraft many years ago.
Nice plane! 🙂
Nice plane. I wonder, when he switched off the front engine didn't you notice any rolling tendency because now the torque is not zero anymore? When both engines run, they run in opposite directions, thus cancelling out any torque.
Center line... no just joking !! I have always loved the push pull, what a nice airplane ! The best of what you can expect from a twin engine.
80 litres an hour! Ouch!!
Ouch Indeed 😮.
At 23/23 in the cruise it’s actually only 70lph at 140IAS.
Made a lot more palatable by tax and vat free AVGAS in the Channel Islands.
Don't be fooled. Asymmetric thrust is only one issue in a twin. Takeoff planning for engine out performance in case of an engine failure is more likely to get you killed than asymmetric thrust.
You are correct, note one seat removed to aid access, but to stop being encouraged to be overweight. Fuel and passengers.
Note the pre take off discussion, ref air speed and gear doors, Plane will fly a circuit at max weight single engine (90 knots).
Rear has more thrust.
I never did understand why the CAA wouldn't insist on life jackets being worn if you were flying over water. I understand altitude and glide distance, but what if you had a trim or elevator catastrophe happen? I would never NOT wear a life jacket in these circumstances.
I suppose it's the same rationale as that for passengers flying in holiday jets. Your argument could be applied to these flights also?
@@TheFlyingReporter I think the difference, Jon, is the fact that it is much more likely that a light aircraft will get into serious difficulties than airliners.
@@SadBstardWell you stay on your couch and dream about ever more draconian laws being imposed on top of all the others and leave the big boy real world to the rest of us.
@@hangarrat I'm a student myself. I'm not sure what 'Draconian' laws you're referring to but I think the wearing of life jackets is a good idea.
What is super aircraft..
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Banned from some airfields due it's noise.
Nice he pointed out the UC door drag problem with engine failure. Slightly different procedure to most twins.
146 kts at 80L per hour is not very efficient.
which is number 1 engine
The front.