Omg I forgot to say in the video, thank you all SO MUCH for 15,000 subscribers! That was literally my personal target to reach by the end of 2024, so the fact we're there already means the world to me 🥺💖
I think that ever since last year ppl have been waiting for another chance to hate on txt. A lot of people seem to think that they have a lot of privilege(payola) bc their bts’s brother group but they’re on the lower tier of groups that get promo from hybe. And bc they haven’t had an explosively popular comeback since temptation era stantwt seems to think they’re “falling off”, thus more of a reason to hate on them. There’s also the 4th gen it boy argument that’s never ending. So a lot of people have been waiting on a chance to hate on Yeonjun. And even the ones who didn’t hate him but also maybe token stanned him(mainly gg stans) were expecting something like taemin’s music instead of what ggum was
i didnt know people were hating on him... he definetly doesnt deserve it, and i am one of the ones that is also tired of the hip thrust thing. I love the song though.
Yess I definitely feel that people had quite specific expectations for this song, so maybe some of the hate also came from that when these expectations weren't met!
As a Moa, I say we are not too concerned about stan twt hate. Yeonjun is simply the only male soloist apart from BTS to debut with 1M streams on Spotify. The audio in tiktok has been blowing up. Male and FEMALE idols and dancers are doing the ggum challenge. Gggum has been VERY sucessful and no hate of bot accounts will change that (yes, some of these hit tweets started in accounts with 13 followers, probably someone paid for them to get boost). And about the choreography being *banned* - Nayeon performed the uncensored version of ABCD in one music show (EP.849 | Mnet 240620 ) and the perfomance is still on. It is not banned per se, otherwise the perfomance wouldn't be on youtube, would it?, she just choose to do a lighter version! These people are waiting for any opportunity to hate on hybe idols and that's the truth. No matter what they do, they will get hate trains simply because they are sucessful and have a strong fandom. That's my take.
I totally understand people who are upset because of the double standards, ngl I also felt pretty disappointed with the amount of love everyone gave this dance move, while the same people were dragging female idols for doing sexy moves. Like "if female idol twerks, she's a S-word, but male idols being half naked on stage is sooooo hot" typa bs. Honestly this should be the topic of a whole another video. However it is NOT okay to hate Yeonjun because of it. It's not his fault that some people are sexists and hypocrites. I really hope that this situation will settle down soon, he didn't deserve all this hate
I don't understand haters. I get constructive criticism (although that in and of itself is hard to express in kpop without certain fans bashing you for not loving everything an artist does). But dog-piling makes you and every other person participating the bad one, not the person at the bottom of the pile. In regards to ggum specifically, the hip-thrusting feels more like an f-you than sexual. I admit, it's generally used as a sexual move (and, as a hater of hip-thrusts, I still think less is more, but this was so in your face it felt aggressive and pointed. Which fits with the lyrics. Appreciate your take and agree with the bulk of your points. I was about to be upset when you said those were fan quotes, but then you explained. Thankfully, my "side" of twitter has been mostly positive to Yeonjun. I think I'll go and stream ggum again. Great video!
The contradictory blending of objectification and prudishness that exists on kpop twitter is so fascinating. Y'all treat idols like meat and then turn around and clutch your pearls over choreography? Get a grip.
Another great video ❤️ I'm with you that the hip thrust move threw me off at first but I'm guessing that's the point. Watching the MV, it seemed he was going for a rebel "break the mold" type of concept. And he succeeded cause this is way different from TXT's image and concepts. I honestly didn't know there was a hate train about the debut cause I'm not on X but I'm not surprised (everyday I'm grateful I'm not on Stan twitter). As for my thoughts on the debut, it's fun, it's edgy, it's confident and I love that for Yeonjun.
i love that you cover current events with ur own perspective, alot of other kpop youtubers will just summarize whats going on but i enjoy ur videos more bc its ur unique pov on the situation while also being informative, great video!!
I'm absolutely BAFFLED at why people are even still on Twitter. It's more of a hellscape than it's ever been 😬 As for his solo, it's an ear worm and extremely catchy but still not for me. The hip thrust and pitched up vocals in the beginning are a bit awkward, but I would never spend my precious valuable time convincing others to see things my way lol People can and should like what they like. End of story.
A LOT of people turned on him, if you are on twitter, theres a lot of hits tweets w 90k likes.. 50k likes.. hating the song and him for no reason at all, i wouldn’t mind if they were hating on the song only but theres people making dehumanizing jokes, being racist, misogynist. etc
I think I agree. People ARE hating on him but I think the majority are people who already disliked him, not the people who were previously his fans. It's like all the haters finally got an excuse to feel valid in their critiques on him
ggum is honestly one of the craziest solo debuts by any k-pop idol ever (add 28 reasons, un village and loop to that) but honestly i understand why people are turning their backs and are not satisfied with the song. first of all i've heard that some people called it an nct reject (some of you will get it if you listen to any of the sub-units, esp 127) because of the emptiness, obscureness (the creepy piano melody between that 'kkeom jilkeong ah yeah yeah yeah' says it all) + they've been also disappointed by the fact that it is short. knowing yeonjun's huge potential as an idol i had high hopes that the song that it won't be that short but i was wrong. MOREOVER the thing that made me feel absolutely salty is that the pre-choruses sounded very flat and of course unfinished. when i heard the snippets prior to the release of ggum i thought that the 'everyday (everyday) / teopteopan ibeul dallae jul my taste (jul my taste)' part is what ends the pre-chorus when it is THE ACTUAL PRE-CHORUS AND NOTHING ELSE! let's not forget about the choreography: when it comes to extra hip thrusts and crotch grabs they don't even bother me when i watch a boy group performing a song but my vision has changed after seeing some dance moves in ggum and i'm telling y'all, they made me feel uncomfortable. and this was the first point of ppl bringing back the massive mention chain of double standards in k-pop. i love yeonjun, ggum is stuck in my head but there was definitely some plot twist. no one knew or expected that after the release of the song yj will be BASHED THE FUCK OUT
I feel like the song just isn’t for the same target demographic as most txt songs are. If this was released by a stray kids, nct or treasure member I don’t think it would’ve gotten as much backlash bc that’s just the type of music the public and the fans expect from these groups.
I thought about this too, but when I saw the accounts hating on Yeonjun some of them were literally stays and nctzens. I was shocked, this music style should be right up their alley what are they hating for? But yeah you’re right the other half of the hate was most likely from girl groups stans who vibe with txt’s “girl group adjacent” music and were not expecting that sound from Yeonjun’s first solo release.
Thank you for covering this topic so objectivly! But the comments here dont pass the vibe check...feel like i am on twitter again...sad. Anyway Moa's are ready for the full Mixtape and TXT11 dont you worry❤️🔥
6:20 just wanted to add some context he has appropriated hairstyles so that could contribute to people’s dislike of that treasure member. Not excusing them dragging Yeonjun though.
Interesting😂😂😂, personally the dance looked so smooth and was only made weird because ot the two hosts behind him who couldn't or most likely, wouldn't follow along😂😂
it’s a common dance move, especially in hiphop and i fear it won’t go away for a long time. it’s not always meant to be provocative/sensual and even if it is it’s not really an issue. ofc you don’t have to like it and your allowed to think it looks goofy but it really is just a dance move. even on TikTok people are doing a trend called trip out which is basically leaning back and thrusting and it isn’t being taken as s3xual. so it won’t be abandoned at least not in the foreseeable future
@@zorasbae yessss im a dancer and it can be such a cool move but in kpop its just overused in my opinion and doesnt fit with most of the songs its used in. Love txt and yeonjun tho!! 💕
@@stefanpettersson6468You literally spoke my mind 😭 it's so cringe and i hate it so much. Even when i younger i still though it to be cringe and extremely uncomfortable lmao, like bro we know you got something down there, good for you, now please stop!
This was such a great video! This is why I left stan twitter (and the fact that it got banned in my country, lmao). Everyone takes things to the extreme, and it's exhausting. Yeonjun is my bias, but I didn't really enjoy Ggum. It's just not my style. However, that doesn't mean I'll just start hating him or think he's not talented! One of my favorite things about k-pop is how much variety it has in terms of musical styles and genres! We've also seen countless sexy and daring moves from other groups, so it seems a bit hypocritical to criticize Yeonjun for the hip thrusting. The conservative ideologies and double standards really are a problem, but that's not his fault. A lot of kpop stans seem to not understand the difference between hate and constructive criticism.
Answer: insecurity and jealousy, they were waiting for this. Kpop stans from different fandoms (esp 4th gen fandoms) always viewed txt and especially YJ as a threat, they were harassing him very often, but with his solo mixtape, they finally could hate on him together in one place. You are not telling me that dehumanizing, being racist, insulting, wishing 💀 and 🍇 over a song is normal :) The hate they have for him needs to be studied. GGUM still topped charts, twitter hate means nothing, the song is a hit and is getting viral on various platforms.
I actually like the song quite a bit, however I don’t like the hip thrust part of the choreo, granted I’ve never been a fan of the whole hip thrust thing. 🤷🏻♀️
Agreed! It's a good hype song, similar to the vibes of BTS' Idol imo And yes, if all dancers/choreographers could just admit that hip thrusting isn't attractive, the world might be a better place lol it also doesn't showcase a dancers talent, which is unfortunate in YJ case 🩵
I've loved yeonjun for years and didn't like the song. It was extremely easy to just... move on and wait for the mix tape instead of throwing hate online like... why do all that it's not that serious and he's still a great artist 💀
4:37 Nah Yeonjun doesn't deserve the hate 🤦♀️ but WTF why did they have to bring TREASURE into it for no reason???... This is why I f*cking deleted Twitter. 😑
There is no way to be accepted by a multitude. Because it isnt a stable or rational being. So where are the good plataforms sites or foruns for good kpop discution?
It is not that deep. The song just isn't it and Twitter is a shitty place. Imo Yeonjun is #1 soloist material among 4th Gen idols, but that song wasn't the best. Next time he will get better songs, I don't see this affecting his career.
I didn't know he was receiving hate. I stopped following txt a long time ago. I might listen to his solo later edit: of course it's twitter, I do agree the hip move is overused but I give him a second chance
The song sucked (my personal opinion) you could barely hear him singing with his actual voice, it also wasn't much his style and the guy deserved better. That being said, hating on him for that is just stupid lmao
People don’t have to Stan trash music if they don’t want too regardless of what “it boy” sings it….if the song was good this wouldn’t be a thing nor topic.
I was disappointed with the song because i like his singing voice, but the song is so bad i never want to listen to it again 😭 that said, the amount of hate and people ridiculing everything about yeonjun is undeserved
Omg I forgot to say in the video, thank you all SO MUCH for 15,000 subscribers! That was literally my personal target to reach by the end of 2024, so the fact we're there already means the world to me 🥺💖
I think that ever since last year ppl have been waiting for another chance to hate on txt. A lot of people seem to think that they have a lot of privilege(payola) bc their bts’s brother group but they’re on the lower tier of groups that get promo from hybe. And bc they haven’t had an explosively popular comeback since temptation era stantwt seems to think they’re “falling off”, thus more of a reason to hate on them. There’s also the 4th gen it boy argument that’s never ending. So a lot of people have been waiting on a chance to hate on Yeonjun. And even the ones who didn’t hate him but also maybe token stanned him(mainly gg stans) were expecting something like taemin’s music instead of what ggum was
i didnt know people were hating on him... he definetly doesnt deserve it, and i am one of the ones that is also tired of the hip thrust thing. I love the song though.
Because he Is Yeonjun and They wanted him to make a basic sexy Song...but mostly because he Is Yeonjun and everyone hate on him for envy
Yess I definitely feel that people had quite specific expectations for this song, so maybe some of the hate also came from that when these expectations weren't met!
As a Moa, I say we are not too concerned about stan twt hate. Yeonjun is simply the only male soloist apart from BTS to debut with 1M streams on Spotify. The audio in tiktok has been blowing up. Male and FEMALE idols and dancers are doing the ggum challenge. Gggum has been VERY sucessful and no hate of bot accounts will change that (yes, some of these hit tweets started in accounts with 13 followers, probably someone paid for them to get boost). And about the choreography being *banned* - Nayeon performed the uncensored version of ABCD in one music show (EP.849 | Mnet 240620 ) and the perfomance is still on. It is not banned per se, otherwise the perfomance wouldn't be on youtube, would it?, she just choose to do a lighter version! These people are waiting for any opportunity to hate on hybe idols and that's the truth. No matter what they do, they will get hate trains simply because they are sucessful and have a strong fandom. That's my take.
I agree
I totally understand people who are upset because of the double standards, ngl I also felt pretty disappointed with the amount of love everyone gave this dance move, while the same people were dragging female idols for doing sexy moves. Like "if female idol twerks, she's a S-word, but male idols being half naked on stage is sooooo hot" typa bs. Honestly this should be the topic of a whole another video. However it is NOT okay to hate Yeonjun because of it. It's not his fault that some people are sexists and hypocrites. I really hope that this situation will settle down soon, he didn't deserve all this hate
I don't understand haters. I get constructive criticism (although that in and of itself is hard to express in kpop without certain fans bashing you for not loving everything an artist does). But dog-piling makes you and every other person participating the bad one, not the person at the bottom of the pile.
In regards to ggum specifically, the hip-thrusting feels more like an f-you than sexual. I admit, it's generally used as a sexual move (and, as a hater of hip-thrusts, I still think less is more, but this was so in your face it felt aggressive and pointed. Which fits with the lyrics.
Appreciate your take and agree with the bulk of your points. I was about to be upset when you said those were fan quotes, but then you explained. Thankfully, my "side" of twitter has been mostly positive to Yeonjun. I think I'll go and stream ggum again. Great video!
The contradictory blending of objectification and prudishness that exists on kpop twitter is so fascinating. Y'all treat idols like meat and then turn around and clutch your pearls over choreography? Get a grip.
Another great video ❤️ I'm with you that the hip thrust move threw me off at first but I'm guessing that's the point. Watching the MV, it seemed he was going for a rebel "break the mold" type of concept. And he succeeded cause this is way different from TXT's image and concepts.
I honestly didn't know there was a hate train about the debut cause I'm not on X but I'm not surprised (everyday I'm grateful I'm not on Stan twitter). As for my thoughts on the debut, it's fun, it's edgy, it's confident and I love that for Yeonjun.
i love that you cover current events with ur own perspective, alot of other kpop youtubers will just summarize whats going on but i enjoy ur videos more bc its ur unique pov on the situation while also being informative, great video!!
thank you so much 🥺💖 I never wanted to just be a generic 'kpop news' channel, so I'm so glad it's not coming across that way! 🥰
I'm absolutely BAFFLED at why people are even still on Twitter. It's more of a hellscape than it's ever been 😬 As for his solo, it's an ear worm and extremely catchy but still not for me. The hip thrust and pitched up vocals in the beginning are a bit awkward, but I would never spend my precious valuable time convincing others to see things my way lol People can and should like what they like. End of story.
I don't rlly think much people turned on him?... the song just isn't some ppl's taste. I didn't like it either, but the dancing was cool
A LOT of people turned on him, if you are on twitter, theres a lot of hits tweets w 90k likes.. 50k likes.. hating the song and him for no reason at all, i wouldn’t mind if they were hating on the song only but theres people making dehumanizing jokes, being racist, misogynist. etc
I think I agree. People ARE hating on him but I think the majority are people who already disliked him, not the people who were previously his fans. It's like all the haters finally got an excuse to feel valid in their critiques on him
ggum is honestly one of the craziest solo debuts by any k-pop idol ever (add 28 reasons, un village and loop to that) but honestly i understand why people are turning their backs and are not satisfied with the song. first of all i've heard that some people called it an nct reject (some of you will get it if you listen to any of the sub-units, esp 127) because of the emptiness, obscureness (the creepy piano melody between that 'kkeom jilkeong ah yeah yeah yeah' says it all) + they've been also disappointed by the fact that it is short. knowing yeonjun's huge potential as an idol i had high hopes that the song that it won't be that short but i was wrong. MOREOVER the thing that made me feel absolutely salty is that the pre-choruses sounded very flat and of course unfinished. when i heard the snippets prior to the release of ggum i thought that the 'everyday (everyday) / teopteopan ibeul dallae jul my taste (jul my taste)' part is what ends the pre-chorus when it is THE ACTUAL PRE-CHORUS AND NOTHING ELSE!
let's not forget about the choreography: when it comes to extra hip thrusts and crotch grabs they don't even bother me when i watch a boy group performing a song but my vision has changed after seeing some dance moves in ggum and i'm telling y'all, they made me feel uncomfortable. and this was the first point of ppl bringing back the massive mention chain of double standards in k-pop.
i love yeonjun, ggum is stuck in my head but there was definitely some plot twist. no one knew or expected that after the release of the song yj will be BASHED THE FUCK OUT
I feel like the song just isn’t for the same target demographic as most txt songs are. If this was released by a stray kids, nct or treasure member I don’t think it would’ve gotten as much backlash bc that’s just the type of music the public and the fans expect from these groups.
I thought about this too, but when I saw the accounts hating on Yeonjun some of them were literally stays and nctzens. I was shocked, this music style should be right up their alley what are they hating for? But yeah you’re right the other half of the hate was most likely from girl groups stans who vibe with txt’s “girl group adjacent” music and were not expecting that sound from Yeonjun’s first solo release.
Thank you for covering this topic so objectivly!
But the comments here dont pass the vibe check...feel like i am on twitter again...sad.
Anyway Moa's are ready for the full Mixtape and TXT11 dont you worry❤️🔥
omg am i first?? GREAT VIDEO BTW!!
Yayy! And thank you so much 🥰
6:20 just wanted to add some context he has appropriated hairstyles so that could contribute to people’s dislike of that treasure member. Not excusing them dragging Yeonjun though.
so honest i had never heard of him before😭 that song is a bold introduction for sure
Im just over the unnecessary thrusting in choreos, like it looks so goofy can we abandon it PLEASE 😭
Interesting😂😂😂, personally the dance looked so smooth and was only made weird because ot the two hosts behind him who couldn't or most likely, wouldn't follow along😂😂
it’s a common dance move, especially in hiphop and i fear it won’t go away for a long time. it’s not always meant to be provocative/sensual and even if it is it’s not really an issue. ofc you don’t have to like it and your allowed to think it looks goofy but it really is just a dance move. even on TikTok people are doing a trend called trip out which is basically leaning back and thrusting and it isn’t being taken as s3xual. so it won’t be abandoned at least not in the foreseeable future
@@zorasbae yessss im a dancer and it can be such a cool move but in kpop its just overused in my opinion and doesnt fit with most of the songs its used in. Love txt and yeonjun tho!! 💕
@@stefanpettersson6468You literally spoke my mind 😭 it's so cringe and i hate it so much. Even when i younger i still though it to be cringe and extremely uncomfortable lmao, like bro we know you got something down there, good for you, now please stop!
Fr it makes me cringe so hard
I like yeonjun but the song isn't my style and the hip thrust part is quite cringey, but he doesn't deserve the hate he's getting.
i like the dance idc
This was such a great video! This is why I left stan twitter (and the fact that it got banned in my country, lmao). Everyone takes things to the extreme, and it's exhausting. Yeonjun is my bias, but I didn't really enjoy Ggum. It's just not my style. However, that doesn't mean I'll just start hating him or think he's not talented! One of my favorite things about k-pop is how much variety it has in terms of musical styles and genres! We've also seen countless sexy and daring moves from other groups, so it seems a bit hypocritical to criticize Yeonjun for the hip thrusting. The conservative ideologies and double standards really are a problem, but that's not his fault. A lot of kpop stans seem to not understand the difference between hate and constructive criticism.
Yeonjun's debut was fire, I love the choreography, people are being weird for no reason
Answer: insecurity and jealousy, they were waiting for this. Kpop stans from different fandoms (esp 4th gen fandoms) always viewed txt and especially YJ as a threat, they were harassing him very often, but with his solo mixtape, they finally could hate on him together in one place. You are not telling me that dehumanizing, being racist, insulting, wishing 💀 and 🍇 over a song is normal :) The hate they have for him needs to be studied. GGUM still topped charts, twitter hate means nothing, the song is a hit and is getting viral on various platforms.
I actually like the song quite a bit, however I don’t like the hip thrust part of the choreo, granted I’ve never been a fan of the whole hip thrust thing. 🤷🏻♀️
Agreed! It's a good hype song, similar to the vibes of BTS' Idol imo And yes, if all dancers/choreographers could just admit that hip thrusting isn't attractive, the world might be a better place lol it also doesn't showcase a dancers talent, which is unfortunate in YJ case 🩵
I've loved yeonjun for years and didn't like the song. It was extremely easy to just... move on and wait for the mix tape instead of throwing hate online like... why do all that it's not that serious and he's still a great artist 💀
Glad I don't use twitter, cause I kinda liked ggum
honestly it can be such a toxic place sometimes 🙈
4:37 Nah Yeonjun doesn't deserve the hate 🤦♀️ but WTF why did they have to bring TREASURE into it for no reason???... This is why I f*cking deleted Twitter. 😑
There is no way to be accepted by a multitude. Because it isnt a stable or rational being.
So where are the good plataforms sites or foruns for good kpop discution?
yeonjun has been hated by a certain crowd since day1 lol
this hate is no surprise. theyve been waiting in the rafters for this moment
It is not that deep. The song just isn't it and Twitter is a shitty place. Imo Yeonjun is #1 soloist material among 4th Gen idols, but that song wasn't the best. Next time he will get better songs, I don't see this affecting his career.
I didn't know he was receiving hate. I stopped following txt a long time ago. I might listen to his solo later
edit: of course it's twitter, I do agree the hip move is overused but I give him a second chance
"digital std" 😂😂😂😂 nahhhhhhhh, i am sorry, this is sooooo funny 💀
Very. Hopefully your fave will experience a hate train over nothing too!
Hi! I like the points you made in the video and the editing. Can you tell me what you used to edit the video? 🙏🏽
The song sucked (my personal opinion) you could barely hear him singing with his actual voice, it also wasn't much his style and the guy deserved better. That being said, hating on him for that is just stupid lmao
it's not that deep. it's just extremely cringe and the song is not great.
girl theres people making dehumanizing jokes, being racist and a bunch of horrible stuff to him, how is it not deep?
@@ilooovwomen it's not that deep. everyone is doing too much over this ugly dance.
@@bluemicrophonewndy704 if u think someone getting bullied on the itnernet is not that deep, fuck u really
@@bluemicrophonewndy704you clearly are part of the problem bc this is not how a normal human being responds to not liking a song?…
@@ilooovwomen you're upset about your fave getting bullied on the internet and then proceed insult me over my simple opinion. hypocrite much? 🤔
Don't know this guy but the song and dance just seem cringe
People don’t have to Stan trash music if they don’t want too regardless of what “it boy” sings it….if the song was good this wouldn’t be a thing nor topic.
The song is silly and dumb
I was disappointed with the song because i like his singing voice, but the song is so bad i never want to listen to it again 😭 that said, the amount of hate and people ridiculing everything about yeonjun is undeserved
You listen worst things