I dont like how Leia's mom called Fatou a "bully" in such a public way as it isnt an accusation to throw lightly. She muddled the situation and made it harder for the members to reconcile with her daughter. That being said, I feel like kpop members could use way more paid vacations/breaks from one another. I'm not a bad person but if I had to spend that much time under that much pressure in such an ego-driven career with 3 other people, I would also start to break down and act out, having my emotions all over the place. Even the best friendships/sibling bonds would be severly tested under these circumstances. It's human.
@@moustik31 exactly especially for a black girl people don’t listen to our side cos already brand dark skin girls bullies even when they just not smiling in on video or pic 🤦🏾♀️ also who has personal connection to a fanbase how much more reporting things happening in the company to them . If it was another company her mum and her will get sued . Dr is broke and too nice 🤦🏾♀️
@@ninanano As if some of them needed more incentives to hate her! Fatou must have felt so betrayed, given how close Lisa and her used to be. She might find it hard to trust others again, and that makes me sad. She is already fighting an iphill battle in this industry.
@@ninananoand from Larilights who still hate BlackSwan to this day, but have forgotten that some people outside Brazil 🇧🇷 are seeing her as the “perpetrator to attempting to destroy the group out of jealousy” and that’s why they won’t hold Larissa accountable because they know they’re too delusional to see the truth.
i dont think the company would be allowed to mention or show any of the other trainees that no longer work with them on something like a tv show. technically they'd be profitting off of their images without their contratual consent. im not a legal expert in any way tho, this is just common practice on the entertainment industry me thinks
@@jeyn123well if she was humble and was arrogant with the amount of local stans she gained, then she would’ve got the same amount of international fans, but she thought too carelessly and messed up
I was actually taken aback by how mask-off the k-pop companies in this documentary were. They might as well have said: "Of course we're money-hungry and have no regard for human life! In fact, that is our motto, and we wear it as a badge of honor!"
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I feel like Jessi should like join Hyolyn’s label or join forces, cause hyolyn’s label is really working well for her as a mature sexy performer and i feel they could relate a lot
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this is why i don’t take kpop seriously anymore and am slowly losing interest in it. debuting people that can’t even do their main job properly, dancing and singing, and also risking the health of your trainees by making them lose 15 pounds in 2 weeks is insane
honestly something i noticed as a new kpop fan last year is that i would listen to the most trash song just because my fav group made it. That made me realize kpop heavily relies on the devotion and loyalty of the fans, rather than talent itself. I just wonder how far that will really take them.
Honestly, this is why I’m glad I’m an older fan, and that I’ve been into Kpop for so long. I’ve seen so many insane scandals, I’ve seen fanwars and false allegations (and real ones), I’ve seen people go nuts for trash songs just because their bias group released it, and I’ve seen extremely talented groups overlooked just because they’re not from the big 4. At this point, I’m happy to listen to good songs, but I’m pretty much done with everything else. I think it’s so sad that I’m at this point as a fan, but I’m just so sick of all the drama…and how the quality of singers has dropped so rapidly.
I agree but this group is nugu from a very messy company that can't handle anything without it becoming public and has an awful historic of mistreating trainees and idols. Very different to how things happen in established kpop companies.
@@Marinlss not really. HYBE have been debuting idols that aren’t ready for a long time, not to mention the fact that they’ve been airing all of their dirty internal laundry lately. It’s not an issue with smaller companies, it’s an industry wide issue.
@@cherrymnm04 I did thing of hype as I made my comment, Hybe is like a new rich trying to fit in with the old money. They try but can't reach the level of the big 3 because they can't handle things internally and don't know how to have independent multilabels. I see them as an exception from other companies, the new jeans issue would never happen on SM or jyp.
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FR 😊 she wasn’t even skilled in vocals and dance and her stage presence and overall performance deteriorated after the scandal, yet she was still able to gain a strong local fanbase full of her people just because she is Brazilian and is a pretty girl with no scent. She really got cocky and acted a fool, yet her idiot fans always try to justify her behaviour and shift the blame on the girls, who never even gave her grief, but they still believe her words and ran with it 🤦🏽♀️.
The graduation system in K-pop is obviously an excuse for DR Music to say, the graduation system only ruins it more (I remember 9Muses having members leaving and joining which in the end they disbanded as a group, also Star Empire way of treating was another reason 9Muses didn’t get the success they deserved)
The graduation system can actually be really succesful and lasting but it's commonly only used as an excuse of bad management or they commit the mistake of agency choosing when a member should leave, when it should be the member itself to choose. After School was the most promising out of all of them but Pledis failed them miserably
@@alertafuegochango Yeah, After School did have a lot of success despite having members graduating (I read in an interview that Kahi the group’s leader and founder said she didn’t know about the rotation system, she said she would last long with the members she recruited), Pledis always failed their groups, especially after Pristin’s disbandment and NU’EST disbandment, ever since fromis_9 came to Pledis, they had less content especially after Gyuri left the team
Blackswan isn't a rebrand of Rania that's why they didn't mention it. The graduation system was introduced as an excuse for why the K-line left the group when it was clearly because of Leia.
no, Blackswan is a rebrand of Rania. That's why their debut album is "Goodbye Rania" - it's saying Rania is 100% done ans finalized as it is now. But Rania always had the graduation concept, they just...didn't communicate it well 😅😂 DR Music is a MESS Rania was a rebrand of a Baby V.O.X. revival, then changed to BP Rania when Alex was added, then quietly Rania 5, before everyone left and the group changed to Blackswan with all new members.
@@cynatriss The company does not mention them being a rebrand of rania so why must yall constantly say that's what they are. That's like me comparing former members of izeone that ended up in ive. Does that mean they're a rebrand of Izeone? No.
1. Blackswan is not rania hence why it’s not mentioned . Dr and even ex lead mentioned Dr wanted to rania fans to move to blackswan but it didn’t work and the ex rania members are gone now anyway. 2. This doc didn’t mention this issue made Fatou suicidal 3. Sriya and Gabi was already auditioning to enter group and probably will only be one of the others didn’t leave
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I could never feel sorry for Leia & her mom. There was a million other ways to handle this situation and it could have been talked about with her company but they chose not too. Good Riddance!
How was Leia able to turn a heart warming reunion between fatou and her mother into a pity party for herself??🙄🙄. I’m sure blackswan would have had a concert in brazil where in the future too and leia wood have been able to see her family. I find it self centred of her to be angry at fatou for her not being able to see her family. The members must have been disappointed in her behaviour
I thought it was dumb that Leia was crying and making a big deal over her mom is growing old without her but she CHOOSES to live in South Korea? Was it because of her contract that she HAD to live in South Korea? Or did Leia just changed her mind about her mom when she started dating her bf? Edited: I feel like there is a lot of aggression in my words. It's okay if Leia changes her mind, everyone is allowed to evolve. I just wish that the whole situation was handled correctly by everyone.
Nah, Leia handled things poorly and acted like a little kid, tbh. She's a grown ass woman and made the decision to move to S.K, so that's on her. Also, her mum should have stayed queit, because she also made the situation much worse. Both Leia and her mother were immature about the whole thing. It's one thing for a person to change their mind and evolve and I get that it's her life, but the way Leia did things was just stupid and childish and caused a lot of problems for others. She was horrible to Fatou and Fatou didn't deserve that at all. Maybe Leia should have just stayed at home, instead of whining and trying to get attention and moving halfway across the world. It's a big decision to move to a different country and needs proper consideration, yet it feels like she didn't think at all, which is a bit concerning. You're totally right and I honestly agree with you. You weren't really being aggressive, imo. You were saying what many others were already thinking, so don't worry about it! :D I don't understand why Brazillian fans defended Leia so much and gave so much hate to Fatou. It's really sad.
I know that jessi is talent but Wow i really don't know about her struggle until this documentary she is so strong hat's off to her i wish she her the best fir future. Black Swan is doing good. After all this hardship they are back on track to show there talent.
I feel like DR entertainment should have just said that Blackswan was a whole new girl group instead of just saying it’s the same group when it isn’t. Now that’s the biggest thing that Blackswan haters use against them that they had a lot of line up changes. Rania was just a kpop group and Blackswan is a global kpop group with only foreign members, so I see them as a whole new group. This should be the official line up now, they aren’t going to remove or add anyone(hopefully they don’t go back on their word or it’ll look really bad). All Luminas think that DR entertainment is a horrible company and that it will be Blackswan’s biggest downfall (hopefully not). They don’t promote them enough and don’t announce when Blackswan is performing until it’s too late and the tickets are already sold out(literally happened at few days ago with the Chinese full moon festival). The only reason I’m not advocating for all them to leave the group and join a new company together is because Fatou and Nvee are older and the age that they debut kpop idols are getting younger and younger. This is Fatou’s and Nvee’s only shot to succeed. Gabi and Sriya will probably have another shot and maybe Nvee but that’s it for Fatou.
thank you soooo much LOL i did not have the time or energy to watch this series but i'm sooo nosy (especially the blackswan bits since ive loved fatou since debut lol)
Maybe the documentary could have been better made and aimed at a more specified audience, but your breakdown of it was genuinely really good! I agree they should have gone in a more "these are the different kinds of artists that exist in the kpop industry" bcs from an outside perspective most ppl expect smt like cravity and starship's situation rather than smt like jessi's solo career or blackswan. Besides that, really enjoyed the video while being quite informative
DR most likely didn't included NVEE because of BLACKSWAN lives and the show she has been on for a while where she constantly talks about her trainee days and how her trainee life was
I’m sorry but let’s not glaze over what Judy and Younguen were saying they were basically mad that they got over a situation that had nothing to do with them and then pulling the Korean card and saying they wouldn’t be successful I get the anger but was the extra nesscessary tho. Made me side eye them.
Exactly... younguen and Judy wanted an apology from leia but when the ceo told younguen to help mend fatou and Leia's relationship because she's the leader, all of a sudden, it has nothing to do with them?? Also, she is THE LEADER. She's supposed to glue the members together.. not literally but... you get what I mean.
To be fair, Brazilians have this fame of being messy and half arsed whenever they go, even the Brazilian trainee from Dream Academy got herself in an awkward spot. Being Brazilian myself I can see how Leia had an ego that sunk her ship. I can't blame anybody else but her.
@aouzayr24 It's not even about being lazy, brazilians in general are pretty hardworking, the issue is the lack of discipline and overall type of mentality nurtured here. It's hard to explain, but nothing justifiies or explains Leia's actions other than she sucks. Sure, depression explains the struggle with practicing and everything, but her behaviour in Fatou's house and after is horrendous.
The Brazilian Trainee in Dream Academy got backlash for liking Posts on social Media that were perceived as racist against Indians, not for her conduct. Before the backlash, she was doing quite well on the Missions and Fan voting.
i didnt mind the long content. i was prepping, cooking, and washing dishes. this was actually really interesting and i was glad i wasnt searching youtube on what to watch next while i was busy. i didnt think the documentary was about black swan before their current line up. that surprised me. and the label saying they have a "graduation" system. why they lying. lmao. 😁
They will not tell everything, FATOU clearly stated that Leia said hurtful words and LEIA apologized, however her mom made the fans believe that the group was bullying her daughter who was not working. DR music staff said that in kpop idols that do that (not working or rehearse) are kicked out or pay their contract. + Money was invested, the survival of the group the livelyhood of the staff.
I hope you’ll do made in korea the kpop experience next cause the finale’s next next week and I’m unexpectedly tuning in to the show cause the boys are actually super sweet and the music especially solar is giving me the my 1d whiplash I never knew I needed. Blaise is growing out of his ego and learning how to work with the team, james with his autism, dexter and his diabetes struggles and reese and olly growing out of their comfort zones.
looking at the numbers (album sales specifically)- cravity is more popular than monsta x- like by about 55,000 albums (taking 4 million albums sold in 9 years in korea and 2 million in 4 years) like starship wtf crunch the numbers they’re like on the same level album sales wise theyre doing well get out!!! ugh
i don’t really know either group for context so i was looking at sales of albums- monsta x stans nothing against them! i was trying to make a point that cravity is not a disappointment or a flop like their company had kept saying like were cravity supposed to sell four million albums immediately? it took monsta x ages and theyre on the same curve (cravity is having the same sales curve that monsta x had/is also having)
monsta x's income mostly came from their world tours, they didn't had as much korean fans in 2018-2019 as they do now so their album sales were at 200-250k per release (only reached the 400k mark during their 2nd peak at 2021, but concerts are still their biggest strength). and even though cravity debuted during the pandemic when the sales was skyrocketing due to video call fansigns, they never fell below 150k sales per album so there's really no reason for starship to treat them as disappointment.
bulleted list of my thoughts (only the cravity part though since they're the only one i actually follow, this might be long because i am honestly mad hahaha) - we already know that sse higher ups barely acknowledged and uplifted the boys spirits during their debut era, but the fact that their very own manager (at 19:00) is not even giving them any positive remarks despite 2 years of hard work is appalling. - apparently jiyong was also cut from the cravity lineup due to his age (he called taeyoung "hyung" so i assume he's a 2004 liner), so if he is still training at starship then he could appear in the new boy group next year since he'd only be 21 (if sse will follow their 5 year pattern, serim & allen were 21 during their debut year) or they might start sending trainees in survival shows again. - i have so much hatred towards eshy especially with how he only stunted monsta x's growth in the states *by not doing his job of promoting their albums* but i do have to agree with him that cravity has the potential to be one of kpop's biggest stars just like their seniors are, the boys are incredible performers, the members can also produce their own songs, and they can definitely sing and rap. starship just needs to have a proper marketing plan for them. - going back to how staff in sse treated them, they only started acknowledging their existence after they got hype during adrenaline era and only gave them a compliment after their kcon performance, and the "compliments would lead to laziness" mentality of their staff is total BULLSHIT. i wish the people in this company would actually value the art of music and performance more than the money they get, and would actually learn that THEY as a company also has to put in the work as much as the artist to be able to see results. sse should not even dare to compare monsta x and cravity's levels of success, did they even forget that it took monsta x OVER 3 YEARS to get a music show win? did they forget how monsta x also experienced a slump during their rookie years just like cravity did? and did they conveniently forget that monsta x actually saw huge success in korea when the members were simultaneously promoting themselves in multiple shows for almost a year in 2021-2022? now cravity mentioned in their newest cravity park episode that they thought it would be their last album everytime they'll have a comeback (additional context, they also mentioned that they thought evershine would be their final comeback) speaks a lot of how starship sees and treats them up to this day, their sales are actually growing every album release (evershine has almost 370k now) but starship still thinks it's not enough and it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that sse would just shove them to the backburner like boyfriend and wjsn if they see even the slightest drop in sales. it wouldn't be a shock that they were coerced into joining road to kingdom because starship has instilled it into their minds that they are not successful enough. starship is their biggest enemy indeed.
Love this longer style video! Please tell us your Jessi epiphany. And can you do another video like thus for Popstar Academy: Katseye on Netflix please?
I feel like this documentary made me feel more sympathetic for Leia tbh. At first it was made to believe that Leia intentional started this hate train on fatou and had many people side against her way before the documentary came out but, having more context on how this whole controversy started and the mental health of Leia, it at least helped me see the situation more neutrally.
Same although She was shown to be very manipulative towards her mom and even the members. One thing i have to say, they didn’t mention the mental effect it had on fatou, fatou was suicidal during the controversy but all the attention was on Leia’s depression. I will never forget Leia and her mom liking racist tweets about fatou, but i can see how she was struggling a lot. Personally I don’t think she was made for fame. She should live a quiet life, deleted her presence as a public figure and be a normal person, leaving all behind. It’s not like she has a passion or talent for music. She can find something she is good at.
mental health is important, yes she is ill and she should've put herself first instead of adutioning over and over, making it, just to say she doesnt want to be there and cause problems for fatou and the other members, so i cannot feel bad for her :/ if her mom is like that, how can we imagine how she was raised and her views? i feel sad for her, but also irritated
You can definitely see the mental toll it took on her. But some of her actions are still inexcusable. Her immature behavior that lead the other members to quit, the bullying controversy. There could have been a lot avoided. She could have bowed out way sooner.
I agree, although she did things we all don’t agree with she was clearly struggling extremely with her mental health which effects people in different ways. As someone also struggling with mental health I saw alot of myself in Leia and in the way it can make you do things you usually wouldn’t do. This is coming from someone who had the same views as you on the Leia/Fatou situation when it happened
Still not sympathetic. Leia did start the hate train by making that post which subsequently led to her mom having the fan accounts target Fatou. Leia refused to publicly apologize and did encourage her fans to make the racists attacks by liking posts and not speaking out against it. Leia was not the only one in that group going through mental struggle. Her leaving was for the best for literally everyone
And all the comments about how a person chooses to live away from their parents meaning that they do not have the right to miss them?? Sorry, thats such dumb thought. Maybe she feels terrible because she had no chance to pursue her career without moving, then finds out that all the bad stuff you went through to debut Will just be worse, and that you're Stuck in a backyard company with members that hate you and make no effort to fix the relationship. Like, lets just accept leia is a perfect picture of what your idols go or have gone through but are forced to pretend they're not. Until years later accusations come Up and ruin everything.
Leia disrespected Fatou's family, and she made everything hard for Fatou and the other members. And you also said how the members basically should've made an effort to fix the relationship but why do they have to fix a relationship Leia ruined? All the girl had to do was apologize, Fatou didn't speak to her after that because she was not ok with that, and Youngheun and Judy too cause they also we're OK with her behavior
Feeling bad for a bully who tried to push the “aggressive” and “bully” black girl agenda on fatou is definitely a choice. And not a good one. Not even the fbi could get that out of me.
Lol so fatou's way to respond and deny the bullying allegations was to… expose leia and really cause cyberbullying. Smh. How can you possibly be okay with Fatou saying NASTY things Like “you mess with my family, you're my ENEMY” Like Girl?? So… Thats how you react to conflicts? And also, saying that she missed and loved the other korean members knowing from day 1 those women were not happy with foreign members. Sorry, thats not okay for me. Its not for us to decide if it wasn't or no bullying, but excluding someone from activities, liking nasty comments and always pointing out things to criticize and disdain without being constructive… i mean… if it isnt bullying then its just a disgusting behavior.
You must HATE your family to the BONE. If I disrespected your family in YOUR HOUSE, you're seriously gonna let that slide? Be so for f**king real right now. And ya'll keep saying how she liked nasty comments towards her but never have evidence for it. And the comment about Judy and Youngheun "disliking" the foreign members, you're just loud and wrong asf. When it was announced that BLACKSWAN would have no Korean members, EVERYBODY had the exact same thoughts as the both of them. No one thought they would do good without any Korean members some even going as for as to that they should disband because there's no Korean members. So other people are allowed to think this way, but when they do the same they're in the wrong? GIRL BYE- 👋🏾
You sound so dumb, the Korean members hate the foreign girls?? How? They literally still interact with them to this day, they follow the blackswan members. Fatou was invited to youngheuns freaking wedding. This strange idea that leia was persecuted for being foreign is so odd cause genuinely leia looks like an Asian person, I mean she’s wasian for Christ sake, Koreans themselves wouldn’t immediately go oh she’s a foreigner unless they were told. They’d probably think she’s just another Asian person. Fatou is a dark skinned black African woman, youngheun and Judy had no issues with her, they treated her like a friend and defended her and still do, but apparently they’re racist towards the wasian person in the group because they refuse to put up with her bad personality. Sure
Leia genuinely gets on my nerves, I’m sorry. I get she had some issues but she just uses it as an excuse for her nasty ass attitude, also leia sat there and allowed fatou to get harassed get threats all that shit, just to post a shrug emoji on her instagram story after the doc came out. I genuinely don’t understand how anyone could think she doesn’t play victim
To be honest, I was really bored while watching this documentary. I'm a Luvity and I love Jessi as well that's why I gave this documentary a chance. But only 30% of the documentary featured Cravity and Jessi, the remaining 70% was nothing but drama between the members of Blackswan and Dr Music being the biggest delulu I've ever seen in my life. I don't really know what blackswan parts have contributed to my life because if you ask me, I never felt like they had any fans. When I saw their names on the internet, everyone was making fun of them. So I can't help but think that Dr Music paid a lot of money for this documentary. Because other names in the documentary, Jessi is a big name in the kpop industry, while Cravity was the eagerly awaited boy band with popular trainees among the general public to debut from an established and successful company.
Also, Jessi and Cravity had much more experiences that could be the subject of a documentary. For example, when the documentary was shot, for Jessi we can say that it took years to make a name for herself, she sacrificed a lot on this way and finally she is an artist who has no one to trust in the industry anymore. And for Cravity, we can talk about the 4 members were introduced to the public with a survival show and all of them received sympathy, a lot of preparations were made for their debut, but due to the wrong timing, they were deprived of the things they had planned and prepared for for a long time due to the pandemic, therefore they are a group with great potential that has fallen short of meeting the expectations of their companies and has not yet proven themselves. As you can see, a lot of stories could really come out of what I've mentioned about these two artists. But they chose to focus on a group that are so unimportant to fans around the world, their existence in the market is questionable and was trying a bunch of crazy new strategies to stay afloat.
And if you ask me, one of the biggest problems with this documentary was that it was shot 2 years before its release date.You may not believe it, but 2 years is a long time period for radical changes to occur. Like Jessi left Jay Park's company, which shown she sign a contract with in the last part of the documentary and she decided to work alone by herself. Also Cravity literally made 3 comeback after Party Rock era and held a world tour which has included multiple different cities from Asia, America and i guess Europe too. Changing concepts worked in their favor and they were finally able to find their own style. They are currently considered one of the most successful and hardworking boy bands in the 4th generation. Their growth charts are exactly like Monsta X and Seventeen's. Relatively slow but very steady and accelerating upwards. I don't know much about Blackswan so I can't comment on them but i guess they are still flopping. My point is that as fans, we already knew the events depicted in this documentary. We also knew all the events that would happen until 2 years later. This documentary really didn't give us anything because it also didn't tell the events through the psychology of the idols (except Blackswan and at some point Jessi).
Blackswan are flopping?! Girl please stfu🙄. This is what happens when people don't use their brains. If you dislike them, cool but to just say things like they are flopping isn't so smart of you.
Do you research well, I know you are probably angry about cravity being in 30% of the documentary but check properly, blackswan is not flopping, they are not doing as well as big 3 groups or well known groups, but considering the company, the lineup changes, the controversies they are still doing well. Some of their achievements with the new lineup 1. They performed in the World Hockey Championship in India 2. Performed in waterbomb Korea. 3. Walked in Seoul Fashion Week. 4. They got a collaboration with Mixsoon 5. They had an American fan meet (though unpaid for) 6. They performed in waterbomb Dubai. 7. Got a collaboration with Dyson 8. They performed in a Korea X India music event 9. Got invited to a fashion show in last week's Seoul Fashion Week. 10. Fatou was an MC in Simply Kpop last year. 11. They are performing in a Chinese festival on the 15th 12. Though they have not won any music awards, Karma and Roll up were well received, Roll up charted well on Apple dance music charts (though they were not no 1), it is a big deal for a "different and controversial" group like blackswan and if you watch their double down stage, they had the audience doing their fan chant. I understand that you may measure "flopping" differently from how I measure it but considering all the drama they are still doing a lot And yes they have fans and supporters.
I was actually really interested in watching this documentary, but didn’t get the time🥲 Thank you so much for making this episode wise summary of the whole thing, I could listen to it as a podcast!🙌🏻
I hope you’ll do made in korea the kpop experience next cause the finale’s next next week and I’m unexpectedly tuning in to the show cause the boys are actually super sweet and the music especially solar is giving me the my 1d whiplash I never knew I needed. Blaise is growing out of his ego and learning how to work with the team, james with his autism, dexter and his diabetes struggles and reese and olly growing out of their comfort zones.
I’m sorry but let’s not glaze over what Judy and Younguen were saying they were basically mad that they got over a situation that had nothing to do with them and then pulling the Korean card and saying they wouldn’t be successful I get the anger but was the extra nesscessary tho. Made me side eye them.
When it was announced that Blackswan would have no Korean members everybody was in doubt just like they were, some even going as far as saying that they should disband simply because of the fact that there was no Korean members at all. I don't see how they were in the wrong thinking the same way 🤷🏾♀️
I hope you’ll do made in korea the kpop experience next cause the finale’s next next week and I’m unexpectedly tuning in to the show cause the boys are actually super sweet and the music especially solar is giving me the my 1d whiplash I never knew I needed. Blaise is growing out of his ego and learning how to work with the team, james with his autism, dexter and his diabetes struggles and reese and olly growing out of their comfort zones.
I dont like how Leia's mom called Fatou a "bully" in such a public way as it isnt an accusation to throw lightly. She muddled the situation and made it harder for the members to reconcile with her daughter.
That being said, I feel like kpop members could use way more paid vacations/breaks from one another. I'm not a bad person but if I had to spend that much time under that much pressure in such an ego-driven career with 3 other people, I would also start to break down and act out, having my emotions all over the place.
Even the best friendships/sibling bonds would be severly tested under these circumstances. It's human.
@@moustik31 exactly especially for a black girl people don’t listen to our side cos already brand dark skin girls bullies even when they just not smiling in on video or pic 🤦🏾♀️ also who has personal connection to a fanbase how much more reporting things happening in the company to them . If it was another company her mum and her will get sued . Dr is broke and too nice 🤦🏾♀️
Till this day Fatou still gets a lot of hate from Brazilian k-pop fans
@@ninanano As if some of them needed more incentives to hate her!
Fatou must have felt so betrayed, given how close Lisa and her used to be. She might find it hard to trust others again, and that makes me sad. She is already fighting an iphill battle in this industry.
She didn't want to trust Syria or Gab I'm praying it only gets better from here , they're so sweet to her@@moustik31
@@ninananoand from Larilights who still hate BlackSwan to this day, but have forgotten that some people outside Brazil 🇧🇷 are seeing her as the “perpetrator to attempting to destroy the group out of jealousy” and that’s why they won’t hold Larissa accountable because they know they’re too delusional to see the truth.
They definitely left alot out, did you guys know there was even more trainees other than Sriya and Gabi also competing for a spot in blackswan
Some are still in the company, some were never even announced by name
They also left out that Fatou was suicidal.
@@SpudhutCXrep😢😢😢
Once a trainee leaves, the company is kinda obligated not to talk about them, no?
i dont think the company would be allowed to mention or show any of the other trainees that no longer work with them on something like a tv show. technically they'd be profitting off of their images without their contratual consent. im not a legal expert in any way tho, this is just common practice on the entertainment industry me thinks
wait so leia caused armageddon because she was losing time with her mother but in the end chooses to live in korea? 💀
😂😂u have a point
Exactly this😭
@@soobinsboi with a new manz and everything 😂
She didn’t get the attention she wanted, anywho blackswan is doin so good without them.
@@jeyn123well if she was humble and was arrogant with the amount of local stans she gained, then she would’ve got the same amount of international fans, but she thought too carelessly and messed up
I was actually taken aback by how mask-off the k-pop companies in this documentary were. They might as well have said: "Of course we're money-hungry and have no regard for human life! In fact, that is our motto, and we wear it as a badge of honor!"
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I feel like Jessi should like join Hyolyn’s label or join forces, cause hyolyn’s label is really working well for her as a mature sexy performer and i feel they could relate a lot
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Yes! I believe Hyolyn runs her own label. She would definitely "get" Jessi's vibe
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this is why i don’t take kpop seriously anymore and am slowly losing interest in it. debuting people that can’t even do their main job properly, dancing and singing, and also risking the health of your trainees by making them lose 15 pounds in 2 weeks is insane
honestly something i noticed as a new kpop fan last year is that i would listen to the most trash song just because my fav group made it. That made me realize kpop heavily relies on the devotion and loyalty of the fans, rather than talent itself. I just wonder how far that will really take them.
Honestly, this is why I’m glad I’m an older fan, and that I’ve been into Kpop for so long. I’ve seen so many insane scandals, I’ve seen fanwars and false allegations (and real ones), I’ve seen people go nuts for trash songs just because their bias group released it, and I’ve seen extremely talented groups overlooked just because they’re not from the big 4. At this point, I’m happy to listen to good songs, but I’m pretty much done with everything else. I think it’s so sad that I’m at this point as a fan, but I’m just so sick of all the drama…and how the quality of singers has dropped so rapidly.
I agree but this group is nugu from a very messy company that can't handle anything without it becoming public and has an awful historic of mistreating trainees and idols. Very different to how things happen in established kpop companies.
@@Marinlss not really. HYBE have been debuting idols that aren’t ready for a long time, not to mention the fact that they’ve been airing all of their dirty internal laundry lately. It’s not an issue with smaller companies, it’s an industry wide issue.
@@cherrymnm04 I did thing of hype as I made my comment, Hybe is like a new rich trying to fit in with the old money. They try but can't reach the level of the big 3 because they can't handle things internally and don't know how to have independent multilabels. I see them as an exception from other companies, the new jeans issue would never happen on SM or jyp.
this docuseries made me a lot more sympathetic to Jessi. she projects this bad b personality but she has a lot of things going on behind the scenes.
So true
I love Jessi. She keeps it real, tbh and isn't afraid to be herself. She went through a lot.
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leia is a mess, glad they got her out, she bought nothing other than drama to the group
Right she wasn’t even a good visual
FR 😊 she wasn’t even skilled in vocals and dance and her stage presence and overall performance deteriorated after the scandal, yet she was still able to gain a strong local fanbase full of her people just because she is Brazilian and is a pretty girl with no scent. She really got cocky and acted a fool, yet her idiot fans always try to justify her behaviour and shift the blame on the girls, who never even gave her grief, but they still believe her words and ran with it 🤦🏽♀️.
Haha k-drama am I right-
The graduation system in K-pop is obviously an excuse for DR Music to say, the graduation system only ruins it more (I remember 9Muses having members leaving and joining which in the end they disbanded as a group, also Star Empire way of treating was another reason 9Muses didn’t get the success they deserved)
The graduation system can actually be really succesful and lasting but it's commonly only used as an excuse of bad management or they commit the mistake of agency choosing when a member should leave, when it should be the member itself to choose. After School was the most promising out of all of them but Pledis failed them miserably
@@alertafuegochango Yeah, After School did have a lot of success despite having members graduating (I read in an interview that Kahi the group’s leader and founder said she didn’t know about the rotation system, she said she would last long with the members she recruited), Pledis always failed their groups, especially after Pristin’s disbandment and NU’EST disbandment, ever since fromis_9 came to Pledis, they had less content especially after Gyuri left the team
I WENT TO THE Black Swan's FIRST CONCERT IN BELGIUM. my non kpop friend loved fatou's rap
omg I'm very jealous, I would love to see them perform live! :D
Blackswan isn't a rebrand of Rania that's why they didn't mention it. The graduation system was introduced as an excuse for why the K-line left the group when it was clearly because of Leia.
no, Blackswan is a rebrand of Rania. That's why their debut album is "Goodbye Rania" - it's saying Rania is 100% done ans finalized as it is now. But Rania always had the graduation concept, they just...didn't communicate it well 😅😂 DR Music is a MESS
Rania was a rebrand of a Baby V.O.X. revival, then changed to BP Rania when Alex was added, then quietly Rania 5, before everyone left and the group changed to Blackswan with all new members.
@@cynatriss The company does not mention them being a rebrand of rania so why must yall constantly say that's what they are. That's like me comparing former members of izeone that ended up in ive. Does that mean they're a rebrand of Izeone? No.
@@christy3047why would their debut album be called “Goodbye Rania” if they’re weren’t a rebrand?
@@MJAYMONONOKE bcs they had the two older members and now that they don't they rebranded with that " karma" song.
@@MJAYMONONOKE The company wanted Rania's fans to be Lumina’s. Youngheun, Hyeme, and the company have mentioned that Blackswan is a whole new group
K-pop Documentary’s don’t even give full information about what’s its really like and how much competition it is in the industry itself
1. Blackswan is not rania hence why it’s not mentioned . Dr and even ex lead mentioned Dr wanted to rania fans to move to blackswan but it didn’t work and the ex rania members are gone now anyway.
2. This doc didn’t mention this issue made Fatou suicidal
3. Sriya and Gabi was already auditioning to enter group and probably will only be one of the others didn’t leave
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I could never feel sorry for Leia & her mom. There was a million other ways to handle this situation and it could have been talked about with her company but they chose not too. Good Riddance!
i glad you did this bcz i wasn't going to watch the documentary but was still curious
How was Leia able to turn a heart warming reunion between fatou and her mother into a pity party for herself??🙄🙄. I’m sure blackswan would have had a concert in brazil where in the future too and leia wood have been able to see her family. I find it self centred of her to be angry at fatou for her not being able to see her family. The members must have been disappointed in her behaviour
I thought it was dumb that Leia was crying and making a big deal over her mom is growing old without her but she CHOOSES to live in South Korea? Was it because of her contract that she HAD to live in South Korea? Or did Leia just changed her mind about her mom when she started dating her bf?
Edited: I feel like there is a lot of aggression in my words. It's okay if Leia changes her mind, everyone is allowed to evolve. I just wish that the whole situation was handled correctly by everyone.
Nah, Leia handled things poorly and acted like a little kid, tbh. She's a grown ass woman and made the decision to move to S.K, so that's on her. Also, her mum should have stayed queit, because she also made the situation much worse. Both Leia and her mother were immature about the whole thing. It's one thing for a person to change their mind and evolve and I get that it's her life, but the way Leia did things was just stupid and childish and caused a lot of problems for others. She was horrible to Fatou and Fatou didn't deserve that at all.
Maybe Leia should have just stayed at home, instead of whining and trying to get attention and moving halfway across the world. It's a big decision to move to a different country and needs proper consideration, yet it feels like she didn't think at all, which is a bit concerning.
You're totally right and I honestly agree with you. You weren't really being aggressive, imo. You were saying what many others were already thinking, so don't worry about it! :D I don't understand why Brazillian fans defended Leia so much and gave so much hate to Fatou. It's really sad.
I felt so bad for Phillip!!
I hope everyone (except Leia) has a good day today 🥰
It is really time for Leia to know what real bullying is😅 Wish you a great day too🥰
I know that jessi is talent but Wow i really don't know about her struggle until this documentary she is so strong hat's off to her i wish she her the best fir future. Black Swan is doing good. After all this hardship they are back on track to show there talent.
me: sees a new dearyoongi video
*is excited*
me: sees the runtime
*is even more exited*
REAL
I feel like DR entertainment should have just said that Blackswan was a whole new girl group instead of just saying it’s the same group when it isn’t. Now that’s the biggest thing that Blackswan haters use against them that they had a lot of line up changes. Rania was just a kpop group and Blackswan is a global kpop group with only foreign members, so I see them as a whole new group. This should be the official line up now, they aren’t going to remove or add anyone(hopefully they don’t go back on their word or it’ll look really bad).
All Luminas think that DR entertainment is a horrible company and that it will be Blackswan’s biggest downfall (hopefully not). They don’t promote them enough and don’t announce when Blackswan is performing until it’s too late and the tickets are already sold out(literally happened at few days ago with the Chinese full moon festival). The only reason I’m not advocating for all them to leave the group and join a new company together is because Fatou and Nvee are older and the age that they debut kpop idols are getting younger and younger. This is Fatou’s and Nvee’s only shot to succeed. Gabi and Sriya will probably have another shot and maybe Nvee but that’s it for Fatou.
Wow Fatou has proven to not right her off. As well as Blackswan will be successful
thank you soooo much LOL i did not have the time or energy to watch this series but i'm sooo nosy (especially the blackswan bits since ive loved fatou since debut lol)
You're very welcome! 😁 I feel like that too sometimes when a new documentary comes out ahah
Maybe the documentary could have been better made and aimed at a more specified audience, but your breakdown of it was genuinely really good! I agree they should have gone in a more "these are the different kinds of artists that exist in the kpop industry" bcs from an outside perspective most ppl expect smt like cravity and starship's situation rather than smt like jessi's solo career or blackswan.
Besides that, really enjoyed the video while being quite informative
Black swan is doing great without them, all their comeback were 💣 so far.
Honestly Leia sounded like a brat
DR most likely didn't included NVEE because of BLACKSWAN lives and the show she has been on for a while where she constantly talks about her trainee days and how her trainee life was
What show is this?
@@tpaige5781it’s a radio show with Hyemi from wonder girls.
@@tpaige5781Wonder Hours with Hyerim
I’m sorry but let’s not glaze over what Judy and Younguen were saying they were basically mad that they got over a situation that had nothing to do with them and then pulling the Korean card and saying they wouldn’t be successful I get the anger but was the extra nesscessary tho. Made me side eye them.
Exactly... younguen and Judy wanted an apology from leia but when the ceo told younguen to help mend fatou and Leia's relationship because she's the leader, all of a sudden, it has nothing to do with them?? Also, she is THE LEADER. She's supposed to glue the members together.. not literally but... you get what I mean.
To be fair, Brazilians have this fame of being messy and half arsed whenever they go, even the Brazilian trainee from Dream Academy got herself in an awkward spot. Being Brazilian myself I can see how Leia had an ego that sunk her ship. I can't blame anybody else but her.
@aouzayr24seu cu
@aouzayr24 It's not even about being lazy, brazilians in general are pretty hardworking, the issue is the lack of discipline and overall type of mentality nurtured here. It's hard to explain, but nothing justifiies or explains Leia's actions other than she sucks. Sure, depression explains the struggle with practicing and everything, but her behaviour in Fatou's house and after is horrendous.
que vergonha vc vir em inglês falar que seu país todo é preguiçoso. Coisa feia
The Brazilian Trainee in Dream Academy got backlash for liking Posts on social Media that were perceived as racist against Indians, not for her conduct. Before the backlash, she was doing quite well on the Missions and Fan voting.
53:52 Allen's family's from Taiwan so his dad stayed in Taiwan to work. not Korea
my mistake, thank you for clarifying 😊
i didnt mind the long content. i was prepping, cooking, and washing dishes. this was actually really interesting and i was glad i wasnt searching youtube on what to watch next while i was busy. i didnt think the documentary was about black swan before their current line up. that surprised me. and the label saying they have a "graduation" system. why they lying. lmao. 😁
Fr why can't they just be a regular doc and not docuseries
I like both. Depends on the topic. 😅
i dont understand Leia's issue. So she disrespected Fatou's mom by saying she missed her home and would like to leave? am i getting it right?
They will not tell everything, FATOU clearly stated that Leia said hurtful words and LEIA apologized, however her mom made the fans believe that the group was bullying her daughter who was not working.
DR music staff said that in kpop idols that do that (not working or rehearse) are kicked out or pay their contract.
+ Money was invested, the survival of the group the livelyhood of the staff.
Nah she said some curses in her post about how she wanted to fking get out of there, which was rude. Then she tried to turn members onto each other
she locked herself in the bathroom for hours, ignored everyone and posted stories complaining about the situation.
She locked her herself in the bathroom for hours the post on her close friends story "Wow so fucking fun here, I want to leave," Leia such a damn brat
1:06:05 LMAOOOOOO the fake ending with you pleading to us to not go 😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hope you’ll do made in korea the kpop experience next cause the finale’s next next week and I’m unexpectedly tuning in to the show cause the boys are actually super sweet and the music especially solar is giving me the my 1d whiplash I never knew I needed. Blaise is growing out of his ego and learning how to work with the team, james with his autism, dexter and his diabetes struggles and reese and olly growing out of their comfort zones.
Leia wasted everyone’s time.
And her chances of fame
Great video! It would be great to see another one of these for the other documentaries!
Thank you so much! 😁💖
looking at the numbers (album sales specifically)- cravity is more popular than monsta x- like by about 55,000 albums (taking 4 million albums sold in 9 years in korea and 2 million in 4 years) like starship wtf crunch the numbers they’re like on the same level album sales wise theyre doing well get out!!! ugh
i don’t really know either group for context so i was looking at sales of albums- monsta x stans nothing against them! i was trying to make a point that cravity is not a disappointment or a flop like their company had kept saying like were cravity supposed to sell four million albums immediately? it took monsta x ages and theyre on the same curve (cravity is having the same sales curve that monsta x had/is also having)
monsta x's income mostly came from their world tours, they didn't had as much korean fans in 2018-2019 as they do now so their album sales were at 200-250k per release (only reached the 400k mark during their 2nd peak at 2021, but concerts are still their biggest strength). and even though cravity debuted during the pandemic when the sales was skyrocketing due to video call fansigns, they never fell below 150k sales per album so there's really no reason for starship to treat them as disappointment.
@@minhyuklees1bebe902 thank you for further explaining! i’m not a huge boy group person so I was unaware of this and was looking at sales data
jessi's family is the best 😊 im not crying you are
What is it pronounced envy, I've been calling her n-vee
Yes it’s NVEE but pronounced like Envy.
bulleted list of my thoughts (only the cravity part though since they're the only one i actually follow, this might be long because i am honestly mad hahaha)
- we already know that sse higher ups barely acknowledged and uplifted the boys spirits during their debut era, but the fact that their very own manager (at 19:00) is not even giving them any positive remarks despite 2 years of hard work is appalling.
- apparently jiyong was also cut from the cravity lineup due to his age (he called taeyoung "hyung" so i assume he's a 2004 liner), so if he is still training at starship then he could appear in the new boy group next year since he'd only be 21 (if sse will follow their 5 year pattern, serim & allen were 21 during their debut year) or they might start sending trainees in survival shows again.
- i have so much hatred towards eshy especially with how he only stunted monsta x's growth in the states *by not doing his job of promoting their albums* but i do have to agree with him that cravity has the potential to be one of kpop's biggest stars just like their seniors are, the boys are incredible performers, the members can also produce their own songs, and they can definitely sing and rap. starship just needs to have a proper marketing plan for them.
- going back to how staff in sse treated them, they only started acknowledging their existence after they got hype during adrenaline era and only gave them a compliment after their kcon performance, and the "compliments would lead to laziness" mentality of their staff is total BULLSHIT. i wish the people in this company would actually value the art of music and performance more than the money they get, and would actually learn that THEY as a company also has to put in the work as much as the artist to be able to see results.
sse should not even dare to compare monsta x and cravity's levels of success, did they even forget that it took monsta x OVER 3 YEARS to get a music show win? did they forget how monsta x also experienced a slump during their rookie years just like cravity did? and did they conveniently forget that monsta x actually saw huge success in korea when the members were simultaneously promoting themselves in multiple shows for almost a year in 2021-2022?
now cravity mentioned in their newest cravity park episode that they thought it would be their last album everytime they'll have a comeback (additional context, they also mentioned that they thought evershine would be their final comeback) speaks a lot of how starship sees and treats them up to this day, their sales are actually growing every album release (evershine has almost 370k now) but starship still thinks it's not enough and it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that sse would just shove them to the backburner like boyfriend and wjsn if they see even the slightest drop in sales. it wouldn't be a shock that they were coerced into joining road to kingdom because starship has instilled it into their minds that they are not successful enough. starship is their biggest enemy indeed.
Wait ooooo why am I sold to watch the docuseries just cuz of the cravity mention 😭😭😭😭😭
Jessi looks like Jessica Rabbit in that last episode. Very pretty!
Particularly loved this video! Maybe you could make more like this ;)
OUUU IM SEATED
DR was speaking facts on baby vox they weren’t lyrics by about that
Blackswan❤
Love this longer style video!
Please tell us your Jessi epiphany.
And can you do another video like thus for Popstar Academy: Katseye on Netflix please?
Thanks so much for this break down!
Blackswan IS a new group
omg a whole deepdive!
Blackswan was once rania, who had a African American member
Rania and Blackswan are two different groups,Blackswan is not a rebrand of rania.
I feel like this documentary made me feel more sympathetic for Leia tbh. At first it was made to believe that Leia intentional started this hate train on fatou and had many people side against her way before the documentary came out but, having more context on how this whole controversy started and the mental health of Leia, it at least helped me see the situation more neutrally.
Same although She was shown to be very manipulative towards her mom and even the members. One thing i have to say, they didn’t mention the mental effect it had on fatou, fatou was suicidal during the controversy but all the attention was on Leia’s depression.
I will never forget Leia and her mom liking racist tweets about fatou, but i can see how she was struggling a lot. Personally I don’t think she was made for fame. She should live a quiet life, deleted her presence as a public figure and be a normal person, leaving all behind. It’s not like she has a passion or talent for music. She can find something she is good at.
mental health is important, yes she is ill and she should've put herself first instead of adutioning over and over, making it, just to say she doesnt want to be there and cause problems for fatou and the other members, so i cannot feel bad for her :/ if her mom is like that, how can we imagine how she was raised and her views? i feel sad for her, but also irritated
You can definitely see the mental toll it took on her. But some of her actions are still inexcusable. Her immature behavior that lead the other members to quit, the bullying controversy. There could have been a lot avoided. She could have bowed out way sooner.
I agree, although she did things we all don’t agree with she was clearly struggling extremely with her mental health which effects people in different ways. As someone also struggling with mental health I saw alot of myself in Leia and in the way it can make you do things you usually wouldn’t do. This is coming from someone who had the same views as you on the Leia/Fatou situation when it happened
Still not sympathetic. Leia did start the hate train by making that post which subsequently led to her mom having the fan accounts target Fatou. Leia refused to publicly apologize and did encourage her fans to make the racists attacks by liking posts and not speaking out against it. Leia was not the only one in that group going through mental struggle. Her leaving was for the best for literally everyone
𝖨 𝖽𝗈𝗇'𝗍 𝖿𝖾𝖾𝗅 𝖻𝖺𝖽 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗋𝗎𝖽𝖾 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝗋𝖺𝖼𝗂𝗌𝗍 𝖻𝗎𝗅𝗅𝗒 𝗅𝗆𝖺𝗈! 💀
And all the comments about how a person chooses to live away from their parents meaning that they do not have the right to miss them?? Sorry, thats such dumb thought. Maybe she feels terrible because she had no chance to pursue her career without moving, then finds out that all the bad stuff you went through to debut Will just be worse, and that you're Stuck in a backyard company with members that hate you and make no effort to fix the relationship. Like, lets just accept leia is a perfect picture of what your idols go or have gone through but are forced to pretend they're not. Until years later accusations come Up and ruin everything.
Leia disrespected Fatou's family, and she made everything hard for Fatou and the other members. And you also said how the members basically should've made an effort to fix the relationship but why do they have to fix a relationship Leia ruined? All the girl had to do was apologize, Fatou didn't speak to her after that because she was not ok with that, and Youngheun and Judy too cause they also we're OK with her behavior
Ok but like i feel so bad for leia
Feeling bad for a bully who tried to push the “aggressive” and “bully” black girl agenda on fatou is definitely a choice. And not a good one. Not even the fbi could get that out of me.
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Lol so fatou's way to respond and deny the bullying allegations was to… expose leia and really cause cyberbullying. Smh. How can you possibly be okay with Fatou saying NASTY things Like “you mess with my family, you're my ENEMY” Like Girl?? So… Thats how you react to conflicts? And also, saying that she missed and loved the other korean members knowing from day 1 those women were not happy with foreign members. Sorry, thats not okay for me. Its not for us to decide if it wasn't or no bullying, but excluding someone from activities, liking nasty comments and always pointing out things to criticize and disdain without being constructive… i mean… if it isnt bullying then its just a disgusting behavior.
Girl sthu
You must HATE your family to the BONE. If I disrespected your family in YOUR HOUSE, you're seriously gonna let that slide? Be so for f**king real right now. And ya'll keep saying how she liked nasty comments towards her but never have evidence for it. And the comment about Judy and Youngheun "disliking" the foreign members, you're just loud and wrong asf. When it was announced that BLACKSWAN would have no Korean members, EVERYBODY had the exact same thoughts as the both of them. No one thought they would do good without any Korean members some even going as for as to that they should disband because there's no Korean members. So other people are allowed to think this way, but when they do the same they're in the wrong? GIRL BYE- 👋🏾
You sound so dumb, the Korean members hate the foreign girls?? How? They literally still interact with them to this day, they follow the blackswan members. Fatou was invited to youngheuns freaking wedding. This strange idea that leia was persecuted for being foreign is so odd cause genuinely leia looks like an Asian person, I mean she’s wasian for Christ sake, Koreans themselves wouldn’t immediately go oh she’s a foreigner unless they were told. They’d probably think she’s just another Asian person. Fatou is a dark skinned black African woman, youngheun and Judy had no issues with her, they treated her like a friend and defended her and still do, but apparently they’re racist towards the wasian person in the group because they refuse to put up with her bad personality. Sure
You do not have to respect people that disrespect the members and the members family. Leia created her own problems and made it everyone elses.
Leia genuinely gets on my nerves, I’m sorry. I get she had some issues but she just uses it as an excuse for her nasty ass attitude, also leia sat there and allowed fatou to get harassed get threats all that shit, just to post a shrug emoji on her instagram story after the doc came out. I genuinely don’t understand how anyone could think she doesn’t play victim
I agree, she always been a problem and their current line up shows that. Even the Korean members disliked her behavior and left.
𝖤𝗑𝖺𝖼𝗍𝗅𝗒!! 𝖨'𝗆 𝖼𝗈𝗇𝖿𝗎𝗌𝖾𝖽 𝗁𝗈𝗐 𝗉𝖾𝗈𝗉𝗅𝖾 𝖿𝖾𝖾𝗅 𝖻𝖺𝖽 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗁𝖾𝗋 𝗅𝗂𝗄𝖾 𝗌𝗁𝖾 𝗐𝖺𝗌𝗇'𝗍 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗋𝖾𝖺𝗌𝗈𝗇 𝗂𝗍 𝖺𝗅𝗅 𝗁𝖺𝗉𝗉𝖾𝗇𝖾𝖽 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖼𝗈𝗇𝗍𝗂𝗇𝗎𝖾𝖽.
But like with jessi idk if hee age is the problem ……
How do? With her stage presence or her music career?
To be honest, I was really bored while watching this documentary. I'm a Luvity and I love Jessi as well that's why I gave this documentary a chance. But only 30% of the documentary featured Cravity and Jessi, the remaining 70% was nothing but drama between the members of Blackswan and Dr Music being the biggest delulu I've ever seen in my life. I don't really know what blackswan parts have contributed to my life because if you ask me, I never felt like they had any fans. When I saw their names on the internet, everyone was making fun of them. So I can't help but think that Dr Music paid a lot of money for this documentary. Because other names in the documentary, Jessi is a big name in the kpop industry, while Cravity was the eagerly awaited boy band with popular trainees among the general public to debut from an established and successful company.
Also, Jessi and Cravity had much more experiences that could be the subject of a documentary. For example, when the documentary was shot, for Jessi we can say that it took years to make a name for herself, she sacrificed a lot on this way and finally she is an artist who has no one to trust in the industry anymore. And for Cravity, we can talk about the 4 members were introduced to the public with a survival show and all of them received sympathy, a lot of preparations were made for their debut, but due to the wrong timing, they were deprived of the things they had planned and prepared for for a long time due to the pandemic, therefore they are a group with great potential that has fallen short of meeting the expectations of their companies and has not yet proven themselves. As you can see, a lot of stories could really come out of what I've mentioned about these two artists. But they chose to focus on a group that are so unimportant to fans around the world, their existence in the market is questionable and was trying a bunch of crazy new strategies to stay afloat.
And if you ask me, one of the biggest problems with this documentary was that it was shot 2 years before its release date.You may not believe it, but 2 years is a long time period for radical changes to occur. Like Jessi left Jay Park's company, which shown she sign a contract with in the last part of the documentary and she decided to work alone by herself. Also Cravity literally made 3 comeback after Party Rock era and held a world tour which has included multiple different cities from Asia, America and i guess Europe too. Changing concepts worked in their favor and they were finally able to find their own style. They are currently considered one of the most successful and hardworking boy bands in the 4th generation. Their growth charts are exactly like Monsta X and Seventeen's. Relatively slow but very steady and accelerating upwards. I don't know much about Blackswan so I can't comment on them but i guess they are still flopping. My point is that as fans, we already knew the events depicted in this documentary. We also knew all the events that would happen until 2 years later. This documentary really didn't give us anything because it also didn't tell the events through the psychology of the idols (except Blackswan and at some point Jessi).
Blackswan are flopping?!
Girl please stfu🙄. This is what happens when people don't use their brains. If you dislike them, cool but to just say things like they are flopping isn't so smart of you.
Do you research well, I know you are probably angry about cravity being in 30% of the documentary but check properly, blackswan is not flopping, they are not doing as well as big 3 groups or well known groups, but considering the company, the lineup changes, the controversies they are still doing well.
Some of their achievements with the new lineup
1. They performed in the World Hockey Championship in India
2. Performed in waterbomb Korea.
3. Walked in Seoul Fashion Week.
4. They got a collaboration with Mixsoon
5. They had an American fan meet (though unpaid for)
6. They performed in waterbomb Dubai.
7. Got a collaboration with Dyson
8. They performed in a Korea X India music event
9. Got invited to a fashion show in last week's Seoul Fashion Week.
10. Fatou was an MC in Simply Kpop last year.
11. They are performing in a Chinese festival on the 15th
12. Though they have not won any music awards, Karma and Roll up were well received, Roll up charted well on Apple dance music charts (though they were not no 1), it is a big deal for a "different and controversial" group like blackswan and if you watch their double down stage, they had the audience doing their fan chant.
I understand that you may measure "flopping" differently from how I measure it but considering all the drama they are still doing a lot
And yes they have fans and supporters.
I skipped every cravity part, boy group are never interesting
I was actually really interested in watching this documentary, but didn’t get the time🥲
Thank you so much for making this episode wise summary of the whole thing, I could listen to it as a podcast!🙌🏻
I hope you’ll do made in korea the kpop experience next cause the finale’s next next week and I’m unexpectedly tuning in to the show cause the boys are actually super sweet and the music especially solar is giving me the my 1d whiplash I never knew I needed. Blaise is growing out of his ego and learning how to work with the team, james with his autism, dexter and his diabetes struggles and reese and olly growing out of their comfort zones.
I’m sorry but let’s not glaze over what Judy and Younguen were saying they were basically mad that they got over a situation that had nothing to do with them and then pulling the Korean card and saying they wouldn’t be successful I get the anger but was the extra nesscessary tho. Made me side eye them.
When it was announced that Blackswan would have no Korean members everybody was in doubt just like they were, some even going as far as saying that they should disband simply because of the fact that there was no Korean members at all. I don't see how they were in the wrong thinking the same way 🤷🏾♀️
I hope you’ll do made in korea the kpop experience next cause the finale’s next next week and I’m unexpectedly tuning in to the show cause the boys are actually super sweet and the music especially solar is giving me the my 1d whiplash I never knew I needed. Blaise is growing out of his ego and learning how to work with the team, james with his autism, dexter and his diabetes struggles and reese and olly growing out of their comfort zones.