MTH C&O M-1 Steam Turbine
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- A review of the new MTH 3-Rail O-Scale Chesapeake & Ohio M-1 Steam Turbine. More videos are available on the Eric's Trains UA-cam channel and at www.ericstrains.com. Subscribe today! Thank you for watching!
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I’m so so sorry that one of these wasn’t preserved for display at the B&O Railroad Museum in Baltimore, this was one of the most sleek locomotives ever designed and built with the front end being slanted, it almost looked like it was moving while it was standing still. Even the tender was great, it looked like it was built by the Budd Company being stainless steel. In my opinion, an all around masterpiece.
I just saw it at the B&O museum in September of this year. Looked so cool!
@@rowsdower12 You saw C&O 490, an L1 Hudson 4-6-4. Those were the result of the rebuilding of preexisting F-19 4-6-2’s to compliment the M-1’s. Like OP said, not a single M-1 was preserved, or any steam turbine locomotive, regrettably.
@@justahillbilly7777 I appreciate that! Thanks for the clarification. Helps!
I wonder now that engineering advanced over the years would they be able to get that steam turbine project back up again, it would be awesome to see these run on the railways
A braton cycle helium or nitrogen turbine would be better. Super compact.
God that whistle is something else. sends shivers down my spine, amazing
The main reason for these experimental locomotives was the C&O and other “coal roads” were surrounded by 100’s of years worth of coal reserve that is more plentiful than oil still today
Coal is plentiful but to mine and haul it is no longer cost effective. That's why coal has been in steep decline for over 50 years.
They should of invested in coal gasification. I know it's not as efficient as diesel fuel but they would of gotten it for free from their own mjnes instead of paying through the nose with OPEC.
Coal was and still is cheap until the Obama EPA slapped so many fees on to burn it with multi-million dollar smokestack scrubbers, that the power companies couldn’t afford to use it anymore. Our power bills have increased exponentially thanks to that.
Fun Fact! The original dome-observation intended for the “Chessie” is undergoing restoration at TVRM in Chattanooga. Car 1877, the “Linoma”.
C&O shouldve just gone with a electric middle rail with some nice motors and big speakers, would've worked a lot better! :)
Don't forget the giant hand that put derailed cars back on the track.
Probably going to offend a lot of steam lovers but i think this is most badass looking steamloco ever made 🙌
No, I'm not offended, as steam lovers, it is the best looking steam locomotive ever made, you actually offend diesel lover
wow, brings back many memories of my dad and his massive train sets.
Very beautiful model! The prototype is fascinating in itself, and I could see an engine like this being a nice conversation piece on a layout. I wish more of these unusual locomotives made their way into HO and other scales, they're lots of fun to look at.
What a awesome looking engine, I don't have a O scale layout, but I would put it on display in my apartment. Now if someone would only make an N scale vision.
You'd need a big apartment - even for an N-scale version :)
17:18-17:29 that’s a majestic whistle. Also it was used in a train sim game
I wish that this locomotive was preserved, maybe one day the same team that is building a building a brand new T-1 locomotive could one day rebuild the M-1 turbine with some changes 1. Get all the design flaws out of it. 2. Have it run on oil. Overall this would've been an awesome exusion train. Would be nice to see this locomotive class to be brought back to life.
Same, it’s look so cool
The locomotive looks like the gg1 went steam operated style.
In the start-up sounds..... "Oil up the side rods"???... LMAO... Too Funny.
15:50 i love the whistle of M1.
They had a air-actuated steam whistle and a airhorn, the thing is these engines weren't total failures. There very efficient in high-speeds, but eat so much coal.
@@andrewiantorno6942 why couldn’t they be converted to oil then?
@@hectorsproductions2018 They really should've, it would've brought the locomotive into preserved status of the locomotive.
Amazing to see the overhang on the front and back of that engine, as it goes around a curve.
25:10 I don't care what anyone says, that challenger is the definition of *Fabulous!*
Based on the paint scheme on the #3949 alone, I'm with you. I mean, hot damn, that's a cool paint scheme!
@@OwlEye2010 Velveeta unchained!
This is one of the most beautiful machines ever built. I know efficeny would never reach what new locos can, but it would be cool if they could have worked all the kinks out so they could atleast be pulled out every so often for speciel occasions because i would love to ride behind one of these engines. if they fix the engine might as well bring the rest of the cars into modern style with coupled bogies and cars that fit together.
For a steam turbine engine. It has a rather unique look to it. Not to mention it kinda like something from the Fallout game series. Because once again it's looks.
I just like how it looks like a diesel locomotive until you hear the whistle
Chrysler Corporation saw that same concern over oil reserves, but as how much was needed to produce higher-octane gasoline was concerned. Taking lessons from retrofitting improvements to B-29 engines during the war, it was learned that the cross-flow hemispherical combustion chamber design allowed the highest amount power to be produced--from a static displacement--from gasoline available with the least amount of octane.
Would love to see the yellow belly Hudson with those cars!!!
Looks like 0-72 is hardly enough of a curve for that monster!
*the S1 is shaking*
O-72 is "minimum". You are correct. Mine has a difficulty making it around O-72. It is an interesting conversation piece on the shelf.
Richard Czepiel
Better get the next curve up to make sure it doesn’t get damaged
Gun tubes store over back deck when transporting any variant of the M1 Abrams tanks. Noticed in background the tanks.
Fun fact: The throttle of this locomotive had eleven settings, beating Spinal Tap to the punch by 37 years.
Also. Thank you for posting and sharing this introduction video, you did an outstanding job with it.
Thanks for an excellent video and review of a very unique locomotive. Pretty sure this turbine qualified as one of the longest locomotives ever built. The three engines and the 46 custom built Budd passenger cars for the proposed train, the Chessie, were the brainchild of Robert R. Young and its failure cost the C&O millions. If you have a copy of Al Staufer's C&O Power there are some excellent pictures of her being built. I especially liked the steam whistle MTH chose to equip her with. The passenger cars look great with the locomotive though a half a dozen more would look even better behind an engine as big as the turbine. Thanks again and looking forward to the next review.
This would have been a perfect engine to put in a museum.
Very cool engine, very different. Loved the bloopers at the end.
I love the design of this locomotive.
Nice review. I’m trying to convince my dad to bring me to your layout open house in October. Since I started my UA-cam channel back in 2011, I always wanted to get a chance to meet you because you’re my main inspiration for starting my own channel.
Right on!
I have to agree more pick-up rollers for the center rail is helpful. On the older AC motor ones it can make the rollers last longer if you tied the dummy diesel with the powered diesel center rail wires and you had better electrical connections as well.
Such a cool looking locomotive!
I kept forgetting it was a steam locomotive because it looks like a diesel or electric... It even sounds like one, except for when you blow the whistle, of course...
Whenever I look at this thing Im drawn to the part with the cab and front hood, that part looks like a real sci-fi steam locomotive on its own.
Crazy how it’s called the M1 and has the similar name and color to the N1 Naboo Starfighter same yellow and silver color to wild.
Actually it was a lot more complicated than a steam engine owing to the fact that it had a boiler and firebox plus a gas turbine engine plus generators and electrical traction motors. During testing this beast NEVER made it all the way from Wash DC to Cincy without some sort of breakdown.
Along with the Chessie trainsets, C&O built a special coaling tower at Hinton, WV to speed things up, and a new Art-Deco station at Prince, WV which serves Amtrak's Cardinal today.
That is insane how big it is
Never been a fan of the Chessie trains but this one really blew me away. Definitely will try and pick this one up. Great video and brief history on this machine. Its a shame they got scraped.
Great review as usual! Loved the blooper reel at the end lol.
I have a 2-10-0 Russian decapod lettered for the Santa Fe dealer appreciation model and its just the opposite there are no pickup rollers on the engine yet the tender has them so needless to say going across my Atlas turnouts it stalls the Ross that are prewired there are no problem as always good video and review.
Enjoy your reviews👍Wish I had the space to run some of these larger locomotives 0-72! I’m sadly limited to O-48 and that’s on only one run😢my other two main lines are at O-36!
This is what happens when engineers are given free rein. The design is elegant on paper, but I'll bet none of the designers had ever been in a small steam plant (think Navy destroyer escorts or very small ships). Another example would be the early nuclear submarine powerplants, minus the nuclear reactor, of course. "Fewer moving parts?", I don't think so. Oil pumps and filters, condensate and feedwater systems, massive air-cooled condensers, and that's the shortlist. (Before someone says it, yes, they may have just dumped the turbine exhaust but I think 8,000 HP is going to use an awful lot of water if it's not recycled. (I can calculate it but it's a bunch of water per mile that will be expensive to haul around. In the video, check out that plume... yep, steam.) The complexity requires many operator/technicians and that's not cheap. Without comprehensive maintenance and constant attention its a FORD (Found on Rail Dead).
My challenger tender is 21 inches long and takes a 1 foot 30 degree curve perfectly
This engine would be so cool in G scale.
"Lube up those siderods..."? Oops. Time for MTH to upgrade the crew talk on this one.
this thing looks sick man.
It's an interesting fact that there was in fact only one steam turbine locomotive that was ever successful; the "Turbomotive" of the London, Midland and Scottish Railway in the UK, which was based on the "Princess Royal" class of 4-6-2 express passenger engines designed by Sir William Stanier; the main reason being that the turbine system it used was of a much more simple (and thus, more rugged) design, coupled to the boiler and frames of a proven and reliable design.
That LMS loco was direct Turbine to wheels drive (via gears). The PRR had a turbine loco of the same configuration but it was inefficient at speeds below about 40 mph. What impressed me about it was that steam entered the turbine at 300 psi and left it at 15 psi. Broadway Limited Imports have done a model in HO of the PRR one.
The loco reviewed here was Steam Turbine to generators to electric traction motors to wheels - probably far too much loss of power using such a convoluted system.
It does look awesome!
Great review Great engine
15:10 there are no side rods!
I expected this thing to have an air horn as well, like a Southern Pacifc steam loco
I noticed that too. SP's air horns were used only on their GS Daylight locos to make them sound "more modern."
Greatdome99 they were used because of fog.
This is why I sponsor your channel. Beautiful engine Eric. Keep up the great videos
Thanks!
That is an amazing looking train.
I bought this loco and cars after watching this video….a real showstopper at my local club😊
Eric, once again an outstanding video with a lot of informative tidbits. Thanks !
Great video of a unique engine. MTH and Lionel make some really cool models. Wayne
Oh wow, your intro has changed since I last watched one of your videos.
NostalgiaKarl K.F. Ikr
Actually to Chesapeake in Ohio with going to buy a dozen steam turbines but difficulties which Baldwin nixed the order. The president of the Chesapeake and Ohio killed himself so they cancelled the order for the passenger cars and the ones that were delivered were sold to other railroads. That's another reason why you steam turbine program was discontinued.
Great video.
I wish this was in Train Simulator
Very classy looking model!
The front of the locomotive reminds me of the #490 Yellow Belly Hudson. It has that forward looking forehead.
My dad and I only have a small loop of track O-scale and we only put it up during Christmas around our tree
Beatiful engine, l prefer locomotives but l'never seen such detailed diesel. In my opinion Mth is my favorite brand very cool 👍
It's a steam locomotive, despite the unconventional shape. Instead of pistons, the steam produced spun a single turbine which in turn ran four DC generators that powered a series of traction motors. It's basically a coal-fired power plant on rails.
That’s a beautiful train❤.
Beautiful engine. Love the bloopers at the end!
Thanks!
Try Review O scale of Milwaukee Road Hiawatha F7 Hudson The Streamlined Steam Locomotive
Nice! Think you could do a video on installing the rollers on the tender?
Great video Eric! Thanks for sharing.
i wish the c&o m-1 steam turbine preserved and can you imagine one had survived
A steamship on rails. Check out that overhang. Really cool.
What a gorgeous model! Looking forward to the next review.
I wanted to get this. But there were too many others coming out I would rather have. Looks cool though.
The blind spots on these must have been HUGE
This engine was nicknamed "Sacred Cow!"
This beast would look amazing in front of a train of military tank in a camo paint scheme.
I had no idea these things had steam whistles
This engine reminds me of the Baldwin centipede
Great review Eric! Indeed I thought it was a diesel at first.... thanks keep it up!!👍👍
Westinghouse had always supplied electrical gear to Baldwin and four switches and low-powered Diesel units like sharks the electrics were all right but when they were connected to higher-powered locomotives they would fail regularly want this reason was the reason why fairbanks-morse went to general electric electrical gear and prompted Westinghouse to exit the market
great video, I think its time for another full layout tour including behind the scenes :)
Funny you should mention the concern over crude-oil supplies in the late-40s... because of the amount used to produce high-octane gasoline at the time, it was the same reason that prompted Chrysler to develop the 1st-gen Hemi. Why? Because it was seen as the most efficient design (able to produce the most power from the least amount of available octane) at the time, due to lessons learned from their involvement in retrofitting improvements to B-29 bomber engines during the war.
I have been waiting for someone to review this for a long time and i hope Eric that you also get your hands on the Norfolk & Western turbine along with the Union Pacific
By the N&W turbine, I think you mean the Jawn Henry.
@@pokemonpreadythepokemonmaniac yes
@@pokemonpreadythepokemonmaniac The N&W Jawn Henry took looking like a Diesel to the next step. Whereas the Chessie road on custom underframes, the Jawn Henry road on your typical 6 wheel equalized trucks like were found under the GE E44s electrics on the PRR and Diesels from F-M like the Train Master.
Fund fact co made a version of the m1 turbine but it was a steam loco as in it had the shape of the m1 turbine but was a steam loco
Pity the L D Porta improvements to conventional steam locomotives did not come along before the 1970s. A Garrett type with the Porta improvements would have probably been a more viable solution. Nice model though.
I am really enjoy that locomotive. Very nice video Eric.
I had been waiting for this for a long long time. It's finally here❤
Who else only knew this existed because of the Stormworks steam update?
Actually I did know that these existed before the update, I just forgot about them
They would have been better off to have put their coal fired turbines in a central location and electrified the whole line. The Virginian did it in the early part of the century with a power house at Narrows.
If they ever make an O-Scale version of the General Electric steam turbine or the Norfolk & Western 'Jawn Henry', will you review them?
3rd Rail did a model on the Jawn Henry a while back. I'd review one if I had one.
Ericstrains that's a huge locomotive can you explain please
Mister Tterevel, i have one of the 3rd rail jawn henry engines. It’s an absolute beast, it’s bigger than this C&O M-1. It’s the only one in existence with the turbine and steam whistle sounds from lionel’s pennsy S2. It won’t turn on O-72, it needs at least O-96 or wider to turn.
This seems like the steam version of the Union Pacific veranda gas-turbine locomotive.
Loved the end credits roll lol
As random as it is, opening doors is one of my favorite features of o
The whole point of diesel ization was to eliminate the need for calling facilities and water facilities that would be taxed as real estate property. Diesels you do not need these and therefore you can lower your tax burden. All of the coal-fired alternative locomotives we're doomed from the beginning. The railroads were also interested in eliminating the position of the firemen stating trolley operators had one man in the car and subway cars trains had one moment in the cab so they did not need a fireman but the Union's force them to keep the fireman thus negating one of the benefits of having a diesel locomotive.
it always baffled me why the steam turbines failed. and there's not a lot of information on them other than they existed and that they were failures. Only one of the four locomotives built state side actually was used for revenue service and they still converted it into a traditional steam locomotive.
I had no idea MTH was making any of these!!
I am surprised by how big they were, very collosal compared to the big boy.
If I was so inclined to partake in a drinking game and the word was "cool/very cool", I would have been intoxicated within three minutes!
captainmorgan757 indeed
The front coupler should be a working couple or not in dummy for the money you pay for these things
Very nice review Eric!!!
Back in 2012 it was a second place prize for the best railroad. The winner would get a Alaskan railway paid trip and a ho train to go with it