To everyone who comments that there are at least two sharknoses in preservation: these are NOT the same classes that im referring to in this video. The surviving sharknoses have 4 axles (RF-16, with only two surviving examples instead of five). Meanwhile, the sharknoses mentioned in this video (DR-6) have six axles with no surviving examples, and are therefore different classes of locomotives.
This is probably the first and only list I've seen so far on extinct Diesel locomotives, and it included several diesels I haven't heard about. It's great for me to see a railroad youtuber giving Diesels some more love and respect. Because whenever it comes to locomotives fictional or realistic, Diesels pretty much always get trashed on compared to Steam and Electric locomotives. Great job man on giving Diesels a chance to shine.
Steam locomotives are marvels to see, but they were before my time. It's the early diesel engines that I so fondly remember. Kudos for this interesting video.
Yeah!! My hometown fallen flag was the first featured! The Atlantic & East Carolina was based in New Bern, NC. It was also known as The Tobacco Belt Route, and The Mullet Line. Thanks.
If you want to see some first gen diesels in action go to the Ontario Southland Railway in Salford, Ontario. Their newest locomotives were a set of ex-BCOL M-420Ws built in 1973, but those were sold off leaving a 1968 RS-18 as their next newest. Their oldest is an EMD NW2 built in 1947. Plus they have 3 FP9ARMs which are just gorgeous.
As someone with experience with visual design, it makes sense that steam locomotives are far more popular. While diesel-electrics outperform steam loks in almost every way, they lack that distinctive silhouette of the latter. Diesel-electrics (and diesel-hydraulics) often have very boxy designs that make them look very similar to each other and seem like "soulless boxes." Of course, some diesels, such as the British Railways Class 04, have silhouettes closer to steam loks and thus may seem more visually appealing--but they are one of the exceptions. The importance of silhouettes in visual design is likely a big reason why many countries still use the image of a steam locomotive for railroad-crossing signs. It's worth noting that the Japanese actually have a deep appreciation for non-steam locomotives (although it's mostly for electrics.)
Nice vid. I especially liked the segment on the ALCO DL-109 The New Haven used theirs in both passenger and freight service, passenger by day and freight at night during the war. Therefore they ran the wheels off them. I haven't heard about reliability issues with them though. NH also had a fleet of switchers with that same 539 engine both turbo and N.A. Thanks again !
Number boards on F3, F5 and F7 locomotives were down to railroad choice, PRR specified the smaller version until it changed to the larger version for its later F7s. NYC had large boards on all of its F units. Therefore you can't tell an F2 from an F3 by the number boards. The F2 was produced specifically to work with existing FT locomotives, so had the older machinery in the newer car body. It meant that the train crews and shop forces had only one kind of equipment to deal with.
13:16 fun fact these Cabover locomotives would Kind off inspired GE to build the NR class here in Australia but the train is a little bit shorter in height, and Length
The F3 prototype was built in 1945, but problems with the generator delayed it's production, so the F2 was produced as a stop gap utilizing the generator from the FT.
If you like Baldwins, check out the Belgian HLD51 & 59. They have 10-698 engines built under licence by Cockerill in Belgium, and a few of each are preserved in running condition. Also, I believe that there are still a few ex-Dutch Railways locos running around with Superior engines.
The surviving sharknoses have 4 axles (RF-16, with only two surviving examples instead of five). Meanwhile, the sharknoses mentioned in this video (DR-6) have six axles with no surviving examples, and are therefore different classes of locomotives.
This is a fascinating video presentation which is much appreciated by the people. Thank you very much for taking the time to research these locomotives and bringing them to us in this way.
I seems that a lot of EMD's earlier road switchers got wiped and don't get much love. Like the SD24 and SD26 for example, only two SD24's exist; one being in poor condition. And the last SD26 was scrapped in 2012. They have a really fun charm to them that I feel like nobody recognizes. Great video though!
Thankfully, the other SD24 is lovingly restored in Chinese red and grey at the Illinois Railway Museum. I've ridden behind it, got that classic EMD turbo whine.
The only other SD24 other than the CB&Q unit is in Green Bay. Being once owned by WC and survived well until the CN merger in 2001. It was donated to the National Railroad Museum but currently is in terrible shape. Ironically, it was also originally a CB&Q SD24.
Many already know about extinct steam locomotives but nobody really talked about extinct diesel locomotives. Thank you for making this, I was wondering if anyone talked about extinct diesels.
It is true that the Sharknose design still exists, but those sharknoses have 4 axles and are a different class than the 6 axle variant mentioned in this list.
@@basicallystupid7080 They don't like railfans. There's a big sign on the Channing depot: "No railfans wanted or needed". I've shot them switching and a few side buildings, and they ignored me. Story is some foamers who were given access stole a bunch of stuff....horns....spark arrestors....stuff railroads keep to reuse. Good luck.
I was hoping to see baldwins, EMD and Fairbanks switchers. Where I used to work, we had over 20. I tried to get a couple of them to the B&O museum in Baltimore, when the company was closing. The company cut them up, “to teach the union a lesson”! A mechanic bought a Fairbanks and a short line picked up a Baldwin. I loved operating the Fairbanks. Very smooth, as long as you had one without flat spots on the wheels!
@@Pensyfan19 I believe I was the last switchman to go on every track and the last one to sand a locomotive. A few years before the shutdown, they replaced All the yard masters and the superintendent with college kids. All maintenance went out the window. College kids know everything! When I was conducting, they would tell me how to set up my train. So the half hour job turned into 2 hours. Don’t need to sand the locomotives, when you get hung up, call for a push, but wait 20 minutes. Then the one who is giving you a push, doesn’t get their work done. No switch heaters. Frozen switch? Call for track gang, wait maybe an hour (wait in line for 1 crew to come from other side of the mill), 10 gallons of unleaded gas and a fusee, wait til the flames die down and then you can throw the switch. An hour later, when you come back, it’s frozen again but against you. An average of 3 derailments in an 8 hour shift. There were 8 American locomotive cranes, maybe 3-4 a shift. Oilers were not allowed to service the cranes, “because there was too much work and no time”. I have some pictures and can prove some of what I say. One of the last RR guys to die, happened because of saving money, a week before his retirement!
That sounds like USS. Big corporation that destroys companies and moral. Did it in Hamilton, Ont. Stripped out all the contracts back to U.S, closed the furnace and shipped the cheaper made steel in to finish. Then within a couple of years, filed for bankruptcy and walked away from the union and pensioners scratching at crumbs.
The Ingalls made switching moves while working its way north from Mobile to McCook Illinois near Chicago. It pulled a freight over Alto Pass which was the second or third steepest grade, east of the Mississippi River, without helpers. The Illinois Railroad museum was interested in purchasing it and offered the chance to buy it for $3000, but couldn’t come up with the money.
Kinda upset that none of the extinct lima-hamilton diesels didn't make the list but this was very interesting...maybe you should do a top 10 sole survivor American diesel units
@agentorange153 your thinking just lima...when lima merged with hamilton they started diesel production...sadly it was shortlived as they enter the market too late and were absorbed into baldwin...lima hamilton only had 6 models and today only 3 of those models are left between 4 surviving diesels...i have the pleasure to work around 3 of the survivors, 2 of which are operational
Something about Rugged Trains to me, they are Intimidating and Almost Scary but also Fascinating! Like I sometimes have dreams of Ridiculously Large Alien Trains like the size of Apartments On Rails 😅😱
Nice to see the diesels get some well deserved love! I can understand why people may turn a blind eye in favor of steam locomotives, whether it be out of spite for them being replaced or due to many famous locomotive classes being completely scrapped in many cases, but that doesn't mean diesels not deserving of some proper attention and love by the community, especially when it comes to the handsome streamlined designs from the 1930s-1960s, as well as the underrated shark nose RF-16's!
Double ended EMD 567 powered Australian Victorian Railways B class were made from 1952. So a surviving double ended, lengthened and narrowed and lowered slightly F7 on SD trucks. ua-cam.com/video/5nHesKAxnpM/v-deo.html Although built in Australian workshops using many imported US parts. One of 26 built with some still running today. A history of the B class with a few mistakes : ua-cam.com/video/y0tS8ObPj20/v-deo.html More : ua-cam.com/video/fDFC992tHPg/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/U49NDi28OW0/v-deo.html
RIP the EMD FT. Yeah you had a hard start between the war, the lack of familiarity from crews who had never seen a diesel before, and poor training but you were the first real diesel a lot of roads had, and are the OG streamlined 1950's diesel.
THE REAL THING THAT KILLED THE FT LOCOMOTIVES ON THE SANTA FE WAS THE COOLING FAN AND RADIATOR SHUTTERS BEING MANUALLY CONTROLLED! THE FANS WERE NOT RUN WHILE IDLING AND THE SHUTTERS CLOSED! WHEN CONNECTED TO THE TRAIN AND PULLING THE FANS AND SHUTTERS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE KICKED ON AND OFF AS NEEDED! SOME FIREMEN WERE SLOW TO KICK THE FANS IN WHEN NEEDED AND OVERHEATING RESULTED!! IN COLD WEATHER SOME FIREMEN LEFT THE SHUTTERS OPEN AND FANS ENGAGED WHICH CAUSED THE ENGINES TO RUN TOO COLD! THE FINAL NAIL IN THE FT COFFIN WAS THE TRADE IN PROGRAM WHERE THE WHEELSETS AND THE 16 CYLINDER CRANKSHAFTS WERE USED TO BUILD THE GP 20,30, AND 35 SERIES LOCOMOTIVE ON THE SANTA FE! ORIGINAL ROAD NUMBERS WERE THE 1100 FOR GP 20 1200 FOR GP 30 1300 AND 1400 FOR GP 35!
@@DaimosZ NO , I MEANT THE FT ON THE SANTA FE. I AM UN AWARE OF F2 s ON THE SANTA FE, IF SO THEY MAY HAVE BEEN UPGRADED TO F3 SPECS AND CLASSIFIED AS SO! I STARTED WORKING AT SANTA FE SEPTEMBER 1964, AND WERE NO FTs LEFT THEN!
@@rossbryan6102 one I was commenting on the first persons post. I'm well aware that the Santa Fe didn't host any F2's in their roster. Second can you turn the caps lock off? It's really distracting.
13:11 Is this when GE entered Diesel Electric locomotive market as a full player rather than supplier? GE seems to have better fortune at exporting by that time period. the U12 series were ordered by two Southeast Asian countries: Phillipines (Front ender hood unit), and Thailand (Locally codenamed GEK, being European style double ender), both of which have the same shovelnose and not raised ones as EMD.
Great video. Here in the UK Preserved British Diesels have a huge following amongst railway enthusiasts, however this didn't start until the mid seventies by which time many types of diesel had already been withdrawn and cut up. Thankfully since then hundreds of classic diesels have been preserved. Unfortunately the general public largely don't share the same enthusiasm, to them all diesels are the same!
@@agentorange153 I was referring to the classic diesels from the 50s and 60s not the modern scene. The classic diesels were produced by multiple manufacturers resulting in locomotives with a vast array of styles, not only did they look quite different but most styles had their own unique engine sound.
Glad to see someone making a video remembering the extinct diesels, I love steam engines but I feel they get a bit too much attention over the extinct diesels and electrics
I screamed YES when the Centipede was Number 1! I love you dude!❤ Can I use the Seaboard centipede footage for my song about the Centipede + restoration of the footage?❤
@@Pensyfan19 You think crediting is safe enough to use it? (That'd be awsome since my channel is anti-profit and dedicated to old engines and vintage footage)
I think that steam locomotives are more interesting because they customized, hand-crafted machines and thus allowing us to compare and contrast locomotives of the same wheel arrangement from different railroads. That being said, I do appreciate you talking about diesels that didn’t make it into preservation.
@@williammacdonald3173 Not really. There's some interesting stuff inside steam loco boilers and firebox. Where as diesels it's pretty much the case of lift out the engine and cut the frames.
If I had a time machine, I'd go back in time to save at least one of each of these engines, without altering time too much. I like steam, but diesels and electrics have their charms.
Great video, thanks! I believe I saw a DL-109 when I was VERY young- around 1970 probably. Does that timeline make sense? Favorite diesels are the BL-2 and the FM Trainmasters.
Great video I learned things and I've been researching my whole life (29). How about some Penn Central love? I am a PRR fan but I love the train wreck PC is
The GM&O historical society issue 42 is dedicated to the 4-S and said it could pull everything out of the yard including the yard office. It made its way from Mobile going north, after being traded and switched cars along the way and went over Alto pass with a train and no helpers before being delivered to Pielet Brothers under its own power.
It should be noted that railroads did want to order the DL-109 in larger numbers, but WW2 was happening at the time and the US War Production board controlled locomotive production and allocation to railroads for the war effort. They considered the DL-109 to be a passenger locomotive (which it was) and thus unsuited for production during a time of war. Somehow, the NH got an exception for theirs as they were considered dual use and were allowed to order 60 units. It's possible they had freight gearing.
Top Hat Society/Mercenary Confederation after seeing the Baldwin RP-210 locomotives: “Yes, we can fix those, and use those for our Railroads.” The Top Hat Mercenary Confederation has their own Railroad company that they alone operate. It’s called the Top Hat Rail Company, or just THR. The THR livery for most of their engines are mostly black, with either a Red Front nose, or with a solid red bar going around the whole engine. The THR logo is on the side of all of their engines. The Top Hat Rail Company do have a plethora of other locomotives with other random liveries, but all have the THR logo on their sides. Also, the Baldwin Centipede will also be used by the THR.
i was so screwed up, i actually believed that F units were for freight, and E units were for excursion, but thats not the case, it has to do with horsepower.
nits connected by a drawbar, where 2 FT sets proved to be too much power, but 3 diesels were just right. The FT was first followed by the F-2. The F-2 often was confused with early F-3's since the body style was very similar. It was the upgraded internal machinery that made the F-3 different.
Thank You. A Most Interesting Viddy In Respect and Good Selection. What Alternate * Variation Onna Theme ( Diesels ) * Do You Have In Mind Thru The Evolving Generations Of Diesel Locomotives ? Much Ta + Cheers For Now / John
I wander why EMD and GE haven’t been building any double ended locomotives. Though I am aware that you can always just couple a two units in the opposite direction together back to back to get those advantages, since especially freight trains get so long they need multiple locomotives. I’m also aware that since our railroads are bigger than ever, locomotives often travel long distances in 1 direction. Murica
Double ended EMD 567 powered Australian Victorian Railways B class from 1952. A double ended lengthened and narrowed F7 on SD trucks. ua-cam.com/video/5nHesKAxnpM/v-deo.html Although built in Australian workshops using many imported US parts. One of 26 built with some still running today. A history of the B class with a few mistakes : ua-cam.com/video/y0tS8ObPj20/v-deo.html More : ua-cam.com/video/fDFC992tHPg/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/U49NDi28OW0/v-deo.html
@@johnd8892 Quite a few of the Clyde-GM ML2 (Victorian Railways B Class)are still in service, B61 will in August next year be 70 years old another Double ended locomotive of note is the Nohab-GM MY class, their design was modified from the B class to suit the European loading gauge and like their ML2 cousins, a lot are still in service in Denmark.
@@trainguy111 I remember reading one time about those double-ended turbines. It said the extra cab was a curious feature on an engine designed to go up to 1,000 miles in one direction!
Isn't it quite a shame, that no DD35 or DD35A is still around? Of course, we still have plenty DDA40Xs left, but I really like the spartan cabs on DD35As.
The model 539T was an excellent power plant in 1000hp(975 for traction) Models S2, S4 and RS1. They were proven in Military service in Iran and elsewhere.
My Dad grew up in Philly, right on the mainline of the Broadway Limited. His love of the K-4s with its belpaire firebox never wanted. I gave him one in brass from Pacific Fast Mail around 1978. That being said, the Alco PA was every bit as beautiful... As it was unreliable and underpowered.
I couldn't tell if you consider the F7 extinct or not, the way you combined a lot of the engines. However, the E&LS RR in WI and MI still have a F7 pulling freight. Check out some of Jason Asselin's videos. Look for engine 600. Greg in TN :)
MY FAVORITE WERE THE ALCO'S MADE BY MLW. DURING MY COLLEGE BREAKS I WAS A SPAREBOARD CREWMEMBER OUT OF CPR REVELSTOKE MOUNTAIN SUB. THE 6 AXLE ALCO'S WERE USED ON THE COAL DRAGS. THE ALCO SOUND IS MUSICAL.
The only locomotives I was familiar with in the list were the incredibly rare Ingalls 4s and Union Pacific U50's and I didn't even know that Baldwin also made diesel locomotives.......
The surviving sharknoses have 4 axles (RF-16, with only two surviving examples instead of five). Meanwhile, the sharknoses mentioned in this video (DR-6) have six axles with no surviving examples, and are therefore different classes of locomotives.
To everyone who comments that there are at least two sharknoses in preservation: these are NOT the same classes that im referring to in this video. The surviving sharknoses have 4 axles (RF-16, with only two surviving examples instead of five). Meanwhile, the sharknoses mentioned in this video (DR-6) have six axles with no surviving examples, and are therefore different classes of locomotives.
This is probably the first and only list I've seen so far on extinct Diesel locomotives, and it included several diesels I haven't heard about. It's great for me to see a railroad youtuber giving Diesels some more love and respect. Because whenever it comes to locomotives fictional or realistic, Diesels pretty much always get trashed on compared to Steam and Electric locomotives. Great job man on giving Diesels a chance to shine.
Like them saying The Polar Express is better than Unstoppable, huh. Uncanon!
@@lennoxschannel7484who would prefer t h e p o l a r e x p r e s s
Don't forget the U28CG and U30CH on the Santa Fe.
They were overshadowed by the more well known FP45.
Yep.Would"Unstoppable" been more thrilling with steam engines??
Even though I like steam more than diesel and electric, We need to start giving classic diesels from the 1940s-1960s some praise
I like steam over diesel and electric as well (though slightly), and I fully agree.
exactly.
As much as I agree steam died to fast and not enough of them was saved because of diesels but the classics should be saved
SAME
@@09JDCTrainMan I enjoy both steam and diesel locos being cut up for scrap.
Partial as I am to the early diesel locomotives, I am so glad they finally get their say. It’s about time!!
Steam locomotives are marvels to see, but they were before my time. It's the early diesel engines that I so fondly remember. Kudos for this interesting video.
About time I finally see an Extinct Diesels Video. And i'm glad to see the E2 on here.
Totally agree on the centipede! great video!
I loved this piece, Amazing and again thank you and now I am a subscriber thank again :-)
Yeah!! My hometown fallen flag was the first featured! The Atlantic & East Carolina was based in New Bern, NC. It was also known as The Tobacco Belt Route, and The Mullet Line. Thanks.
11:56
[Poster] i feel as if times just hadnt changed at all, seems like an ad you'd see today, altough *CLASSY*
If you want to see some first gen diesels in action go to the Ontario Southland Railway in Salford, Ontario. Their newest locomotives were a set of ex-BCOL M-420Ws built in 1973, but those were sold off leaving a 1968 RS-18 as their next newest. Their oldest is an EMD NW2 built in 1947. Plus they have 3 FP9ARMs which are just gorgeous.
Those old 50s era trains like the one on the opening for the original Superman tv show look so cool.
Those diesels sure were sleek looking back then just like the cars of the day. Thanks for sharing.
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As someone with experience with visual design, it makes sense that steam locomotives are far more popular. While diesel-electrics outperform steam loks in almost every way, they lack that distinctive silhouette of the latter. Diesel-electrics (and diesel-hydraulics) often have very boxy designs that make them look very similar to each other and seem like "soulless boxes." Of course, some diesels, such as the British Railways Class 04, have silhouettes closer to steam loks and thus may seem more visually appealing--but they are one of the exceptions. The importance of silhouettes in visual design is likely a big reason why many countries still use the image of a steam locomotive for railroad-crossing signs.
It's worth noting that the Japanese actually have a deep appreciation for non-steam locomotives (although it's mostly for electrics.)
Nice vid. I especially liked the segment on the ALCO DL-109 The New Haven used theirs in both passenger and freight service, passenger by day and freight at night during the war. Therefore they ran the wheels off them. I haven't heard about reliability issues with them though. NH also had a fleet of switchers with that same 539 engine both turbo and N.A. Thanks again !
Number boards on F3, F5 and F7 locomotives were down to railroad choice, PRR specified the smaller version until it changed to the larger version for its later F7s. NYC had large boards on all of its F units. Therefore you can't tell an F2 from an F3 by the number boards.
The F2 was produced specifically to work with existing FT locomotives, so had the older machinery in the newer car body. It meant that the train crews and shop forces had only one kind of equipment to deal with.
Thank you for the correction and further info.
Thanks for a good video and research behind it! Great info for model train collecting!
Awesome video! The Baldwin Centipede is a really interesting locomotive. Would definitely love to see more of these videos!
Awesome/Amazing and Thank You : )
Very enjoyable video that obviously took much study and effort to make. Thanks so much.
13:16 fun fact these Cabover locomotives would Kind off inspired GE to build the NR class here in Australia but the train is a little bit shorter in height, and Length
The F3 prototype was built in 1945, but problems with the generator delayed it's production, so the F2 was produced as a stop gap utilizing the generator from the FT.
Honestly makes me wonder if a group could derate an existing F3 into a "new" F2 by installing a FT generator into it?
@@DaimosZ Theoretically possible, but what's the point???
@@agentorange153 true that
If you like Baldwins, check out the Belgian HLD51 & 59. They have 10-698 engines built under licence by Cockerill in Belgium, and a few of each are preserved in running condition. Also, I believe that there are still a few ex-Dutch Railways locos running around with Superior engines.
A shark nosed locomotive was removed from a yard in escanaba MI last year I don't know where they took it but I hope they to a place for preservation
The surviving sharknoses have 4 axles (RF-16, with only two surviving examples instead of five). Meanwhile, the sharknoses mentioned in this video (DR-6) have six axles with no surviving examples, and are therefore different classes of locomotives.
@@Pensyfan19 I figured that Im just wondering where it ended up
This is a fascinating video presentation which is much appreciated by the people. Thank you very much for taking the time to research these locomotives and bringing them to us in this way.
I seems that a lot of EMD's earlier road switchers got wiped and don't get much love. Like the SD24 and SD26 for example, only two SD24's exist; one being in poor condition. And the last SD26 was scrapped in 2012. They have a really fun charm to them that I feel like nobody recognizes. Great video though!
The SD26 is a little bit different though, as it is just a Santa Fe-modified SD24. Sort of like a CF7
That's really cheering us steam engines up if you diesels are going to replace us do a good job at it
Thankfully, the other SD24 is lovingly restored in Chinese red and grey at the Illinois Railway Museum. I've ridden behind it, got that classic EMD turbo whine.
The only other SD24 other than the CB&Q unit is in Green Bay. Being once owned by WC and survived well until the CN merger in 2001. It was donated to the National Railroad Museum but currently is in terrible shape. Ironically, it was also originally a CB&Q SD24.
Great Video. Very informative and well presented.
Great video! It was a nice change of pace to see some extinct diesels.
It's about time that there be a diesel locomotive version
Excellent top 10 video! Well done.
Many already know about extinct steam locomotives but nobody really talked about extinct diesel locomotives. Thank you for making this, I was wondering if anyone talked about extinct diesels.
I'm not even a train enthusiast, but I still really enjoyed the video and the history lesson, thanks! :D
The Baldwin Sharknose isn't extinct, the last two in existence are in storage on the Escanaba & Lake Superior RR in Michigan.
It is true that the Sharknose design still exists, but those sharknoses have 4 axles and are a different class than the 6 axle variant mentioned in this list.
The BP-20 and the RF-16 are not the same thing. The BP-2000 is in my opinion a better looking and better proportional engine.
Agree, plus it’s 80 ft long instead of 55 ft.
wait i live in michi-
*sigh*
where are my bags,
@@basicallystupid7080
They don't like railfans. There's a big sign on the Channing depot: "No railfans wanted or needed". I've shot them switching and a few side buildings, and they ignored me. Story is some foamers who were given access stole a bunch of stuff....horns....spark arrestors....stuff railroads keep to reuse. Good luck.
Excellent video and great content. Thanks!
Thanks for making this video I wish one of them were preserved
Some pretty cool stuff great video
Great video on old diesel locomoaves
THANK YOU FOR SHARE THIS VIDEO
Diesel locomotives are amazing pieces of engineering and I love to see these!
12:36. Illinois Railroad Museum. The sign above the engine is from the Cass City depot on the abandoned Pontiac, Oxford and Northern.
Well done sir that seaboard centipede is very cool I have a o gauge model of it and it is one of my favorites
I was hoping to see baldwins, EMD and Fairbanks switchers. Where I used to work, we had over 20. I tried to get a couple of them to the B&O museum in Baltimore, when the company was closing. The company cut them up, “to teach the union a lesson”! A mechanic bought a Fairbanks and a short line picked up a Baldwin. I loved operating the Fairbanks. Very smooth, as long as you had one without flat spots on the wheels!
Interesting to hear. What railroad was this on with this variety of Baldwins, EMDs and FMs?
@@Pensyfan19 United States Steel- Fairless works. On the Delaware river about 5 miles below Trenton No, but on the Pa side
@@Pensyfan19 I believe I was the last switchman to go on every track and the last one to sand a locomotive. A few years before the shutdown, they replaced All the yard masters and the superintendent with college kids. All maintenance went out the window. College kids know everything! When I was conducting, they would tell me how to set up my train. So the half hour job turned into 2 hours. Don’t need to sand the locomotives, when you get hung up, call for a push, but wait 20 minutes. Then the one who is giving you a push, doesn’t get their work done. No switch heaters. Frozen switch? Call for track gang, wait maybe an hour (wait in line for 1 crew to come from other side of the mill), 10 gallons of unleaded gas and a fusee, wait til the flames die down and then you can throw the switch. An hour later, when you come back, it’s frozen again but against you. An average of 3 derailments in an 8 hour shift. There were 8 American locomotive cranes, maybe 3-4 a shift. Oilers were not allowed to service the cranes, “because there was too much work and no time”. I have some pictures and can prove some of what I say. One of the last RR guys to die, happened because of saving money, a week before his retirement!
That sounds like USS. Big corporation that destroys companies and moral. Did it in Hamilton, Ont. Stripped out all the contracts back to U.S, closed the furnace and shipped the cheaper made steel in to finish. Then within a couple of years, filed for bankruptcy and walked away from the union and pensioners scratching at crumbs.
I thought I knew my American diesels but this vid is a gold mine of fresh information
Thanks for sharing.Nice locomotives.
My favourites are the DL-109 and Erie Built. Too bad the Ingalls locomotives never had a chance.
The Ingalls made switching moves while working its way north from Mobile to McCook Illinois near Chicago. It pulled a freight over Alto Pass which was the second or third steepest grade, east of the Mississippi River, without helpers. The Illinois Railroad museum was interested in purchasing it and offered the chance to buy it for $3000, but couldn’t come up with the money.
2:25 these engines creep my out- idfk why-
Kinda upset that none of the extinct lima-hamilton diesels didn't make the list but this was very interesting...maybe you should do a top 10 sole survivor American diesel units
I thought Lima-Hamilton only ever built steam trains???
@agentorange153 your thinking just lima...when lima merged with hamilton they started diesel production...sadly it was shortlived as they enter the market too late and were absorbed into baldwin...lima hamilton only had 6 models and today only 3 of those models are left between 4 surviving diesels...i have the pleasure to work around 3 of the survivors, 2 of which are operational
Awesome video and a suggested for a future video is upon locomotives that only have one of their kind in existence and almost went extinct.
Something about Rugged Trains to me, they are Intimidating and Almost Scary but also Fascinating!
Like I sometimes have dreams of Ridiculously Large Alien Trains like the size of Apartments On Rails 😅😱
Nice to see the diesels get some well deserved love! I can understand why people may turn a blind eye in favor of steam locomotives, whether it be out of spite for them being replaced or due to many famous locomotive classes being completely scrapped in many cases, but that doesn't mean diesels not deserving of some proper attention and love by the community, especially when it comes to the handsome streamlined designs from the 1930s-1960s, as well as the underrated shark nose RF-16's!
Double ended EMD 567 powered Australian Victorian Railways B class were made from 1952. So a surviving double ended, lengthened and narrowed and lowered slightly F7 on SD trucks.
ua-cam.com/video/5nHesKAxnpM/v-deo.html
Although built in Australian workshops using many imported US parts. One of 26 built with some still running today.
A history of the B class with a few mistakes :
ua-cam.com/video/y0tS8ObPj20/v-deo.html
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Well done, thanks for sharing. A lot of new faces to myself.
I will admit that I didn’t expect the Centipedes to make it to #1, but I can understand why.
I was expecting the dd35 to make the list, but i was pleasantly surprised by the centipedes
@@_zoreo oh yea forgot about the dd35
Thank you for fulfilling the search term
This was a great video you should make a pt2
RIP the EMD FT. Yeah you had a hard start between the war, the lack of familiarity from crews who had never seen a diesel before, and poor training but you were the first real diesel a lot of roads had, and are the OG streamlined 1950's diesel.
THE REAL THING THAT KILLED THE FT LOCOMOTIVES ON THE SANTA FE WAS THE COOLING FAN AND RADIATOR SHUTTERS BEING MANUALLY CONTROLLED!
THE FANS WERE NOT RUN WHILE IDLING AND THE SHUTTERS CLOSED!
WHEN CONNECTED TO THE TRAIN AND PULLING THE FANS AND SHUTTERS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE KICKED ON AND OFF AS NEEDED! SOME FIREMEN WERE SLOW TO KICK THE FANS IN WHEN NEEDED AND OVERHEATING RESULTED!!
IN COLD WEATHER SOME FIREMEN LEFT THE SHUTTERS OPEN AND FANS ENGAGED WHICH CAUSED THE ENGINES TO RUN TOO COLD!
THE FINAL NAIL IN THE FT COFFIN WAS THE TRADE IN PROGRAM
WHERE THE WHEELSETS AND THE 16 CYLINDER CRANKSHAFTS WERE USED TO BUILD THE GP 20,30, AND 35 SERIES LOCOMOTIVE ON THE SANTA FE!
ORIGINAL ROAD NUMBERS WERE THE 1100 FOR GP 20
1200 FOR GP 30
1300 AND 1400 FOR GP 35!
You mean F2. There's a few FT's still in existence
@@DaimosZ NO , I MEANT THE FT
ON THE SANTA FE.
I AM UN AWARE OF F2 s ON THE SANTA FE, IF SO THEY MAY HAVE BEEN UPGRADED TO F3 SPECS
AND CLASSIFIED AS SO!
I STARTED WORKING AT SANTA FE
SEPTEMBER 1964, AND WERE NO FTs LEFT THEN!
@@rossbryan6102 one I was commenting on the first persons post. I'm well aware that the Santa Fe didn't host any F2's in their roster.
Second can you turn the caps lock off? It's really distracting.
@@rossbryan6102 There IS at least one preserved FT (one of the four units of the famous #103), so it does NOT belong on this list!
No switch engines were mentioned as these were some of the first diesels adopted by the railroads. Also, box-cabs were omitted
13:11 Is this when GE entered Diesel Electric locomotive market as a full player rather than supplier? GE seems to have better fortune at exporting by that time period. the U12 series were ordered by two Southeast Asian countries: Phillipines (Front ender hood unit), and Thailand (Locally codenamed GEK, being European style double ender), both of which have the same shovelnose and not raised ones as EMD.
5:20 Was it intended to be NYC Actual HST? Does it comes with tilt car?
I'm not sure about HST per se, but I believe the cars on this set were meant to tilt, since they were based on Talgo technology.
4:48 should lionel make models of those, especially in semi-scale so they could run on 031 curves
They tried, but used the 4 axle Baldwin Sharknose model instead.
Great video. Here in the UK Preserved British Diesels have a huge following amongst railway enthusiasts, however this didn't start until the mid seventies by which time many types of diesel had already been withdrawn and cut up. Thankfully since then hundreds of classic diesels have been preserved. Unfortunately the general public largely don't share the same enthusiasm, to them all diesels are the same!
Maybe because, unlike American diesels, most of the British ones (with a few exceptions here and there) look almost the same on the outside?
@@agentorange153 I was referring to the classic diesels from the 50s and 60s not the modern scene. The classic diesels were produced by multiple manufacturers resulting in locomotives with a vast array of styles, not only did they look quite different but most styles had their own unique engine sound.
Glad to see someone making a video remembering the extinct diesels, I love steam engines but I feel they get a bit too much attention over the extinct diesels and electrics
When will the diesels ever get a chance to be in the spotlight, I beg to know!!!
Where’d you get the Centipede footage from? I have only found footage of the PRR units.
It was from a Seaboard Air Lines promotional video from Periscope Films.
I screamed YES when the Centipede was Number 1! I love you dude!❤
Can I use the Seaboard centipede footage for my song about the Centipede + restoration of the footage?❤
I got the footage from Periscope films, so it's not mine. Namely, I found it from this video: m.ua-cam.com/video/CMClIcOpuB8/v-deo.html=1092s
@@Pensyfan19 How were you able to use it?
@ALCO-C855-fan Screen recorder. Also give credit to Periscope Films on the video itself or in the credits.
@@Pensyfan19 You think crediting is safe enough to use it? (That'd be awsome since my channel is anti-profit and dedicated to old engines and vintage footage)
@ALCO-C855-fan I believe so. It should also fall under fair use since you're using tue stock footage for educational purposes.
I think that steam locomotives are more interesting because they customized, hand-crafted machines and thus allowing us to compare and contrast locomotives of the same wheel arrangement from different railroads. That being said, I do appreciate you talking about diesels that didn’t make it into preservation.
Even I, a diehard steam buff, have a soft spot for classic diesels and anything just a bit more interesting
@@TailsFan369no2 I like watching scrapping videos for both. Steam locos are more fun to scrap though.
@@PreservationEnthusiast that's weird
@@williammacdonald3173 Not really. There's some interesting stuff inside steam loco boilers and firebox. Where as diesels it's pretty much the case of lift out the engine and cut the frames.
Very well done loved the History
If I had a time machine, I'd go back in time to save at least one of each of these engines, without altering time too much. I like steam, but diesels and electrics have their charms.
Great video, thanks! I believe I saw a DL-109 when I was VERY young- around 1970 probably. Does that timeline make sense? Favorite diesels are the BL-2 and the FM Trainmasters.
Great video I learned things and I've been researching my whole life (29). How about some Penn Central love? I am a PRR fan but I love the train wreck PC is
😮 great video
The company was Ingalls (ING-guls, not In-GALS), and the 4-S spent most of its time around Mobile (Mo-beel, not Mo-BILE), Alabama.
Thank you for the correct pronunciations (excuse my northeastern accent.)
The GM&O historical society issue 42 is dedicated to the 4-S and said it could pull everything out of the yard including the yard office. It made its way from Mobile going north, after being traded and switched cars along the way and went over Alto pass with a train and no helpers before being delivered to Pielet Brothers under its own power.
It should be noted that railroads did want to order the DL-109 in larger numbers, but WW2 was happening at the time and the US War Production board controlled locomotive production and allocation to railroads for the war effort. They considered the DL-109 to be a passenger locomotive (which it was) and thus unsuited for production during a time of war. Somehow, the NH got an exception for theirs as they were considered dual use and were allowed to order 60 units. It's possible they had freight gearing.
The NH ran passenger trains in the day, and freight at night during WWII with the DL109. It was a workhorse.
same with PRR
There was SF4-6 for the City of San Francisco.
As a person who lives in rock island, there is a lot of trains and train yards but no museum. And that's kinda strange to me
Top Hat Society/Mercenary Confederation after seeing the Baldwin RP-210 locomotives:
“Yes, we can fix those, and use those for our Railroads.”
The Top Hat Mercenary Confederation has their own Railroad company that they alone operate. It’s called the Top Hat Rail Company, or just THR. The THR livery for most of their engines are mostly black, with either a Red Front nose, or with a solid red bar going around the whole engine. The THR logo is on the side of all of their engines. The Top Hat Rail Company do have a plethora of other locomotives with other random liveries, but all have the THR logo on their sides.
Also, the Baldwin Centipede will also be used by the THR.
You should do a video on soul surviving steam locomotives and one on soul surviving diesel locomotives
The last as best for that crazy, complex, repair-nightmare wheel arrangement comes as no surprise.
UA-cam, THIS IS WHAT I MEANT BY RARE DIESEL ENGINES
i was so screwed up, i actually believed that F units were for freight, and E units were for excursion, but thats not the case, it has to do with horsepower.
3:15 , that photo was taken in my home town of Faribault mn 🙃
Cool video. It's kind of sad some of the more unique diesels didn't end up being preserved.
nits connected by a drawbar, where 2 FT sets proved to be too much power, but 3 diesels were just right. The FT was first followed by the F-2. The F-2 often was confused with early F-3's since the body style was very similar. It was the upgraded internal machinery that made the F-3 different.
Nice research and presentation....!!!!
Thank You. A Most Interesting Viddy In Respect and Good Selection. What Alternate * Variation Onna Theme ( Diesels ) * Do You Have In Mind Thru The Evolving Generations Of Diesel Locomotives ? Much Ta + Cheers For Now / John
I wander why EMD and GE haven’t been building any double ended locomotives. Though I am aware that you can always just couple a two units in the opposite direction together back to back to get those advantages, since especially freight trains get so long they need multiple locomotives. I’m also aware that since our railroads are bigger than ever, locomotives often travel long distances in 1 direction.
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They do build double ended locomotives just not for North America.
Double ended EMD 567 powered Australian Victorian Railways B class from 1952. A double ended lengthened and narrowed F7 on SD trucks.
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Although built in Australian workshops using many imported US parts. One of 26 built with some still running today.
A history of the B class with a few mistakes :
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More : ua-cam.com/video/fDFC992tHPg/v-deo.html
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The first Union Pacific Gas Turban was a double ended unit.
@@johnd8892 Quite a few of the Clyde-GM ML2 (Victorian Railways B Class)are still in service, B61 will in August next year be 70 years old another Double ended locomotive of note is the Nohab-GM MY class, their design was modified from the B class to suit the European loading gauge and like their ML2 cousins, a lot are still in service in Denmark.
@@trainguy111 I remember reading one time about those double-ended turbines. It said the extra cab was a curious feature on an engine designed to go up to 1,000 miles in one direction!
Isn't it quite a shame, that no DD35 or DD35A is still around? Of course, we still have plenty DDA40Xs left, but I really like the spartan cabs on DD35As.
Awesome awesome video
The model 539T was an excellent power plant in 1000hp(975 for traction) Models S2, S4 and RS1. They were proven in Military service in Iran and elsewhere.
I'm a train and I approve this video! :D
The DR6-21000 looks as if a GTEL unit and a EMD F7 had a baby
Out of all the diesel engines shown, my favorites would be the EMC TA, ingalls 4S, and the Baldwin centipede and DR6-4-2000 (the double ended veesion)
My Dad grew up in Philly, right on the mainline of the Broadway Limited. His love of the K-4s with its belpaire firebox never wanted. I gave him one in brass from Pacific Fast Mail around 1978. That being said, the Alco PA was every bit as beautiful...
As it was unreliable and underpowered.
Not to mention dirty -- if you've ever seen how much smoke it made when accelerating, you'll never forget it!
I couldn't tell if you consider the F7 extinct or not, the way you combined a lot of the engines. However, the E&LS RR in WI and MI still have a F7 pulling freight. Check out some of Jason Asselin's videos. Look for engine 600. Greg in TN :)
I know that the F7 is alive and well. I don't think I listed enough differences between the F2 and the F7.
One of my favorite extinct diesel locomotives is the SD80MAC. I wish they were saved.
Cool video! I love steam locos but i really like diesels
500th comment! Btw great video 👍👍👍
Thanks, and congratulations! I believe this might be my first video with over 500 comments.
MY FAVORITE WERE THE ALCO'S MADE BY MLW. DURING MY COLLEGE BREAKS I WAS A SPAREBOARD CREWMEMBER OUT OF CPR REVELSTOKE MOUNTAIN SUB. THE 6 AXLE ALCO'S WERE USED ON THE COAL DRAGS. THE ALCO SOUND IS MUSICAL.
The only locomotives I was familiar with in the list were the incredibly rare Ingalls 4s and Union Pacific U50's and I didn't even know that Baldwin also made diesel locomotives.......
Do you have a list of your favorite F Series diesel railroad liveries?
Top many to list. Although, I haven't really thought about a livery ranking list. I might look into it.
Fun Fact,there is one Shark nose locomotive that is still around and that is Delaware and Hudson #1216
The surviving sharknoses have 4 axles (RF-16, with only two surviving examples instead of five). Meanwhile, the sharknoses mentioned in this video (DR-6) have six axles with no surviving examples, and are therefore different classes of locomotives.