What if the Catholic Church had taken over the West?
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2020
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Well then, the Christian Minecraft Servers would be dominate.
Klassic Mario Bros If Minecraft, or even the internet, would exist.
@@grahamturner2640 True
@Orion Fettes much kek!
Lmao
Ooooo noooooo
Looks like the battle Pope took the 'form the Kingdom of God' decision
He decided to Deus Vult and become Emperor of Mankind.
0_0
No, he completed the mission end the skism.
"Mentioning Medieval France's high population" should've been on Whatifalthist Bingo at 14:27
***Sees video title***
Me, a catholic: ***oh yeah, it's all coming together***
Me, a Lutheran: *Burning* Ah crap
Phil Collins when did they mention being tradcath crusaders, they just mentioned they're catholic
@@boozecruiser No point in speaking with you in a respectable manner since you are, in fact, a pathetic loser.
@Troll King Nobody asked for the garbage that your mouth throws up
Troll King nice grammar.
What if the Roman Empire never existed at all?
Edit: What I mean is what if Rome never became a conquering power? What if it was crushed in the Rex Romana times by some random Etruscan/Samnite coalition?
+PruCo *happy carthagian and celtic noises*
Oh yeah it's paganism time
*decorates the irmensul*
The republic would continue
Alt history hub has a 3 parter on this
@@forgetful9845 Whatifalthist can do better
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I was expecting to see that comment.
Europe would be mired in dark ages forever.
It isn't not now?
A noble and Holy endeavor.
@@TheStanfordKid true
What if instead of Europe developing an individualist culture and Asia developing an collectivist culture it was the other way around? (maybe the greeks develope something simmilar to Confucianism and Asia developes something simmilar to western philosophy and culture)
I once read an alternate history book called Imperium Bohemorum and one of the scenario was that chinese go around africa and discover portugal which leads to confucian rennaisance.
"develope"
@@islamisthetruth3402 Ideas are like pandemics, they spread freely. The only difference is that ideas may arise in different areas independently.
that would be very interesting, but I think I read somewhere that the ideas a culture generate are based on everything about the culture and its geography. chinas culture and geography at the time of Confucius are what inspired him to come up with those Confucian ideas, same way with the greeks.
Then we would be all using chinese made computers today... oh, wait.
what if Prussians colonized east africa like portugese did before 19 century?
This is a question I never taught I needed yet I can't seem to stop on thinking what if it indeed happen.
I just thought about an interesting idea idea :))
Its very improbable and wouldn't last for long even if it happened.
for alternate subject what if Friedrich Wilhelm I didnt Sell Gold coast to Dutch and somehow got money elsewhere to fund his Prussian quality army
I did't know prussians had gold coast I know dutch sell to english ty man for a history lesson :)
Wow I could have never imagined just how much this would have a changed
I'll check out your videos, I know you've wanted me to for a while.
@@WhatifAltHist thanks so much. You don't know how much this means to me. I really appreciate it
@Crisbideioz Well, in the video it is stated, that the Earth would not stop turning, it would only turn slower ;)
Also nobody said, that catholics were stupid, but that modern age was driven by fierce competition among westerners. Politically and religously united Europe would of course slow down that process.
People living in 21st century would likely never known world war, genocide... or steam engine and modern healthcare.
@@OkurkaBinLadin True. Decentralization was what really propelled the West forward in a lot of ways.
@@OkurkaBinLadin There would still be a lot of decentralization and competition due to feudal fragmentation and Europe's geography, which favors multiple seats of power.
What if the Greek Orthodox Church took over The East?
almost like it did
So, our timeline?
Maybe throw Poland in the mix to spice things up.
Byzantine Emperor was religious leader so nothing different happens if it was before russia became orrhodox.
What if the oriental orthodox took over the current Islamic territories in North Africa and the Middle East
@@dejankojic4293 don't pretend to not know
11:20 how interesting, that's the same excuse people give when there's talk of colonizing Mars or the moon... "we should be fixing the earth not going to another planet blah blah" like we as a species couldn't possibly do both.
I mean, I support space exploration, but we as a species have never really shown an ability to “fix” anything
@@trevorwilson6683 I fixed the broken "world peace" by blowing up the earth.
@@trevorwilson6683 Because "species" dont fix anything, individuals do :)
Exploring another planet as a matter of scientific interest is a cool thing - and we can definitely spare some resources for it. Placing our bets for short term survival on colonising another planet instead of fixing ours, though, would be madness. There is absolutely no realistic scenario in which that works out on the timescales we need it to. Mars is a nearly airless barren wasteland; if we could find a way to make that habitable, we could find a way to KEEP the Earth habitable with a tiny fraction of the effort.
Basically the only good reason for considering colonisation of another planet as our way out would be a straight up existential threat to our planet. Even for an asteroid or comet, deflecting would be easier than colonising Mars. If our planet was literally about to explode for causes completely out of our control, then escaping to Mars would indeed be a reasonable option.
Yeah literally this generation wants stability so bad im afraid this circle that delayed when the european exploited new world would turn upon us and instead of scientific revolution, a stagnation and finally surcumbs to the next great extinction due to overpopulation
14:18 So glad there's a history UA-cam channel that realizes South-East Asia with the exception of Vietnam has always been culturally Dharmic/Indic.
Agreed. It's always pissed me off when people call southeast Asia "basically china" when Vietnam is the only one even with a passing resemblance to China
Like, there's a reason why many use the term "Indochina" because it's culturally Indian/Bharati but visually Chinese
What if Portugal United Iberia?
(Portugal was much more peaceful with other european powers so they could manage to both maintain the spanish empire and expand their own one)
With peaceful you mean they were bootlickers.
Peaceful people dont forge empires, Mr. Flame :)
@@OkurkaBinLadin The portuguese had one if you didnt know
@@LuisRincon-wr4dm no they just didnt start wars with everyone
@@Mr.Flame2000 No, I did not heard that. That about peaceful part.
Whatifalthist was Trad-Cath the whole time.
Traditions catholic bare still Catholics
Whatifalthist is a protestant
If may nitpick a tiny bit, only because few month ago, I was in lecture about iterature in Ottoman Empire-
Islam didn't banned press. They just wasn't fan of. There were even Sultan who tried to make it a thing, but people didn't bought.
At some point few Ottoman officals tried to make a news paper, and had to force their underlings to buy it
In Islam there was a culture of Calligraphy,and more romantic view on books and their spirit.
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"Iron is like men. You don't use your best for the army." What? What would you use iron for then? Plows?
Yes
@Mr. Pokhrel As you're typing on a Chinese made product.
The Endless Array of the Crusades likely ended the Byzantine Empire/East Rome extremely quickly, likely there would be thousands of medium sized or small balkanized states with barely any technological improvement
The relatively large number of states in Europe made it easier for new military technologies to be adapted, though
What if the Ottomans lost the Crusade of Varna
It's super interesting. I think it could have collapsed, since it's European part would have been attacked by the balcanic nations and the Asian part would have been whiped out by Tamarlane in 1405
APC 219 and if the Ottomans lost the crusade of Varna the personal union between Poland and Hungary could have stayed
@@mingchina4499 I don't think so. An Polish-Hungarian kingdom would have been overstretched and culturally devided. I think it would have been broken by his powerful neighbours such as Lithuania, The Holy Roman Empire and the Teutonic order. Hungary supported the Teutonic against Poland in the fifteenth century. I can see eastern Europe divided between the Austrian, Hungarian and Poland Lithuania, with the exception if some small greek/slavic kingdom in the south.
APC 219 I know the personal union would have most likely broken, like it did in real life, due to the nobles wanting it to break.
But It would be cool if it did work.
@@apc9714 Ottoman state (like Seljuq before it) was centered around its ruling family, not symbols or centralized administration (like traditional empire). Thats what people get consistently wrong about the historical "Turks".
Regardless of Varna, no turkish neighbours were strong enough to put them down for good. Not in 15th century. Youd have to colonize entire Anatolia for that.
A flip side, what if the Protestant reformation swept through the Catholic church so that in effect the Catholic church reformed into the Protestant faith, and their was no schism
[disclaimer: I'm half Catholic and half Protestant - religion was not discussed at the dinner table and apparently each sides family was invited to only their Faith's baptism, and didn't know about the other ceremony].
Fun story: since I didn't understand religion, as a five year old at school when it came time for religious classes, I just followed the popular kids who happened to be Jewish. So I went to Jewish scripture classes for months on end, until the teacher talked about God's covenant with man - circumcision.
We all went and checked ours out, and mine was different. So that was mentioned next time in class by the other boys and the penny dropped.
The scripture teacher was aghast because I had witnessed sacred secrets, so my mother was called into the deputy principles office and had to explain that I was a Christian "mutt". It didn't help when she told the scripture teacher that she didn't see what the fuss was, since Jesus was Jewish anyway.
That simply would not happen. The video is about church/corporative competing with secular/tribal interests.
Protestant vs. catholic schism goes much deeper. For example bishops, who turned from catholic to protestant immediately privatised holdings they were administering for church. Turning them over to their own family members.
Church itself would cease to exist as all its former employees would start serving their personal, family and tribal interests.
Catholic did reformed during the protestant reformation causes the council of trent to happened and reform some corupt thing in the church they only didnt accept the protestant demand for theological changes you know bible and teaching stuff really
@Deus Vult PX he is a jew so he is not
I’d recommend becoming Anglican, it has the best of both worlds
Fun fact, that happened in 1964!
This is a very well done video, however, to say this was the most probable route is something I disagree with, on a surface level yes, our outcome was totally unexpected, but the more you think about it the more it makes sense, China and the Islamic world where much more unified, ethnically, linguistically and geograficaly, and importantly their religion was based on the culture of the majority ethnolinguistic group(I know the Islamic world wasn't majority Arab in the begining but it made up for it at first being remarkably tolerant for its time at first, and by the time it wasn't anymore it was majority Arab) in contrast there wasn't a majority ethnolinguistic group in Europe, even before the fall of Rome and Catholicism was totally based around latin culture and as the other cultures of Europe developed, it became inevitable there would be competition, in fact there already was in the east with the greek based orthodox church, not to mention the fragmented geography of Europe made true unification impossible, people only say the romans did it, cause most of Europe outside of the mediterranian and France was pretty irrelevant until at the very least the ninth century. And even if it was relevant the Romans would not conquer it, cause it would be pretty impossible. The only comparable continent is India but their division is very different, while the south of Europe was linked to the rest of the world through both the silk road and Mediterranean Trade, the south of India was cut off from the rest of it by mountains and jungle, had little resources and was mostly irrelevant, even the in the Muslim trade through the Indian ocean it was mostly just a resupply station, you can see that in the fact Muslim trade converted both Bengal and Indonesia but not south India. That and the far lower population density made it no competitor to North India which just kept getting conquered by outsider warrior elites, which if the Mongols proved anything is that that kind of Domination majorly slows down the progress of any civilization. That and the Europeans were always gonna find the New World first, Europe is mostly coastline and the powers there were too balanced to expand more in the continent, The only alternatives are East Asia, which from the beginning was the most conservative, complacent and politically stagnant region in the world, with no desire to explore the world outside of themselves, their polar opposite the Polynesians certainly could have, but they would not have the population or technology to conquer or so much as influence the New world. So the European Age of exploration was pretty much inevitable, and European religious fragmentation was inevitable. And even if none of these things happened I have a hard time believing Europe wouldn't be ahead in science simply for 2 reasons: political and cultural fragmentation generating competition which is not going away unless you completely remake Europe or have someone conquer and absorb it, and the fact most of it avoided the Mongols, which as you made a video before points out where one major factor in the stagnation of the Old World. And even it Ogadei didn't die young I doubt they would make it beyond Poland as they were already overstretched to the limit, same reason they never conquered North Africa. Also, Your scenario hangs on the defeat of France, in a scenario very similar to the 100 years war, even at about the same time as the 100 years war, except with papal Aid, but there's a lot wrong with that, mostly that you're forgetting that England claimed all of France, and Knowing England they wouldn't be satisfied with just Aquitaine and Normandy, and would probably try to conquer all of it except maybe Burgundy, Uniting the french against a common Enemy, and even if it won it definitely couldn't control a nation with 3 times the population, the other thing is that the nobles of France where a lot less autonomous than that of the HRE, which even before the papal states fragmented it already had 2 kingdoms inside of it, while the King of France would let no such thing happen, not to mention the HRE was a lot more diverse and closer to the Papal states, therefore much easier to influence, and even then it was close, as you said in your HRE video had they lost a single battle it would have failed, Imagine France, that while not as Centralized as England was a lot better than the HRE, and a lot less cultural diference to exploit, the Only relevant ones being the occitans wich have pretty much always been fine with French rule, the Brittons who just side with whoever just seems more likely to win at the moment and constantly change sides, and Burgandy wich rebeled in our timeline and Failed. Not to mention, would the Pope even try this? Dismantling the HRE took so many resources and almost failed would he even be able to do this right after fighting the HRE? I think it would take a century for the Papal sphere to recover and by then the French had already crushed the Burgundians and the English and had centralized a lot more, it would be pretty much impossible after that, the papacy tried to make France their vassal but the best they could do at that point would be throw ex-communications at them it was a pretty dumb move on their part and they paid the price for it.
Amazing comment. I don't think I've ever read that much in a youtube comment. I swear I was thinking a lot of the same things while watching the video
This comment deserves to be a book
wow, world history in a nutshell. lol.
Great video, this was very enjoyable :)
*What if the Catholic Church took over the West?*
Me: Shakes fist in Protestant
me: gives middle finger to Catholic
Me: Gives middle finger to religion.
Me: Brujer
***Laughs in Catholic***
@The Nova renaissance ooooh the edgy pagan. It's so funny to see you guys. I know you're a nationalist (which is great btw) but stop acting like being a pagan is cool. I know 100% for sure that you know that paganism is bullshit and that you don't pray to Thor
Some scholars have hypothesized that, like the Catholic diocese in Iceland, Greenland may have had an unofficial bishop first, specifically "Eric the Bishop" who was sent to Greenland in the year 1112, though others claim he was a missionary bishop, and there is no record of his return
What if the Ottoman Empire industrialized Parallel to Europe
Öntas Bülent Very hard with their societal structure. The state and Islam would have to make a lot of reform.
Emperor Constantine XI Palaiologos IIn the beginning the Ottoman Empire was modernizing thanks to some smart sultans. But through time bureaucrats took more power.
Öntas Bülent As he stated in this video and many other videos, its conservative clergy, which cracked down on reformers and logicians, made it virtually impossible to fully modernize. The Ottomans have to become more liberal and less oppressive.
Emperor Constantine XI Palaiologos If it wasn’t for the Jannisares the sultans would have modernized the military
Öntas Bülent Ummm, it’s much more complicated than that. The Janissaries’ seizure of power was a side effect, not a cause.
only watched half, but, by the holy ghost, is this one of your best videos
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interesting timeline, and thanks for recomending the Matsuda book
Another great video! BTW, what is that font? Never mind, found it, its "Caslon Antique".
I had a similar idea spawning from another video: "What if the Hapsburg family dominated/unified Europe?"
There are many sources saying that East Asian collectivism and centralized governments are a result of rice farming, which requires a high degree of irrigation.
Idea: what if the Great Schism never happened?
3:19 this part aged very well 😂😂
1:52 That came out of nowhere, wow.
Everybody everywhere would know what it felt like to be an Irish teenager when your mother asked you who said mass.
"The catholic church is the most important organization in history"
Its pretty far up there perhaps not number 1 but certainly in the top 10.
The Catholic Church is very well around the top 5, as they shaped Western Society.
@Whatifaltist If france was able to force korea to open trade with it on 1866, how do you think history would go down?
I dont know if you did this but could u do one on if the great schism(orthodox and catholic schism) never occured, idk if it would change much so I am sorry if it would be to boring
You greatly underestimate how much the church itself drove the propagation of learning and science in Europe. literally, every single one of the first universities was started by the church. Every single "father" of modern science saw themselves as devout Christians. Comparing the situation to the Islamic stagnation after the 13th century grossly overlooks the message of the ideology. You yourself said that the christian view is that God is rational and so must be his creations (and also as humans being created in God's image, it's our duty and privilege to know said creation..aka study it and do science), which stands in stark contrast to most other beliefs, not least of which is Islam.
I'm not saying we would und up with today's technology, but science would most certainly NOT have stagnated.
Thats all true.
But it doesnt change the fact, that rapid progress was fuelled by fierce competition among westerners. Much stronger church WOULD absolutely stomp the warmongers and early capitalists, significantly slowing down the progress aswell (talk about side effects).
Copernicus and Galileo would like to have a talk with you
@@nichl474 Every age had its martyrs. Assange would have a note or two for you, friend.
@@OkurkaBinLadin Galileo wasn't imprisoned and Copernicus' books cracked down upon (he died before being able to get arrested) because they martyred against Christianity. Instead, the Catholic Church wanted to suppress the sciences that worked against their teachings.
Here's an Indian example:
The Nalanda and Taxashila Universities were created and operated by Brahmins (not all of them are priests, it's complicated), many people flocked to them for learning, but what was mostly taught was philosophy.
There wasn't much science taught, and yes, the number zero was conceived by Aryabhatta, but that was a philosophical invention, a way to characterise nothingness.
After Chanakya, there were no others to expand on strategic war studies, so that broke down, and after the Islamic invasions, they were destroyed.
One reason I think for why Europe remained so divided is because historically is was poorer/weaker and in a worse geographical location than its neighbours until it had reached a point where no one single group COULD take power as everyone was to independent.
Edit. On this it actually happened in Europe (one group took power and crushed everyone else) in regards to classical Greece and Carthage, they got rather far on philosophical and technology but then came the Roman and Macedonia empires that crushed it and Europe wouldn't really return to that for another 1000 years
This scenario is very similar to Harry Turtledove’s “through Darkest Europe.” Its a great book, I highly recommend.
Can someone explain how the European powers had the nerve to challenge the papacy in any aspect of life, despite their religiosity? It just seems like something they’d consider heretical or even blasphemous to say the least.
If the pope dared to do anything he could be murdered or invaded. And you can’t call for crusades against Cristians.
@@francogiobbimontesanti3826 I think he means socially too. Like everyone was religious, how did the French king not get paranoid that his own troops/court would overthrow him for being a heretic.
Most European nobles owed their land and political power to their king/liege, not the Pope. Remember the Papal States were a gift from Charlemagne. And it was Charlemagne who led and funded the wars against the Saxons and prescribed the death penalty to any who refused to convert to Christianity.
@The Nova renaissance Ever heard of the Swiss Guard?
@The Nova renaissance My point is the Papal States had an army, but more than that it had great influence politically. The Pope rarely had to fight for himself, because he would use political tact to gain allies to fight for him.
It's hardly an easy task to depose a Pope.
What if Bleeding Kansas failed?
What if the Raid on Harper's Ferry succeeded?
What if the Meiji Restoration failed?
2:24 I live in St. Louis so I wouldn't mind this arrangement.
Last time I was this early Constantinople hadn’t fallen yet.
What if Yi Sun Sin was never born/wasn’t an admiral and didn’t save Korea from the Japanese Invasion
It's so rare to hear someone say the west is exceptional. It's true but for some reason it's very frowned upon to say it?
Thanks for the video, it would of radically change our modern world.
1309 isn't picked as a point of departure nearly enough.
Your Video is the second video in youtube that made me buy on youtube.
Congratz XD
(I hope its not a scam XD)
The Song Dynasty was NOT founded by a peasant rebel, on the contrary, its founder, 趙匡胤, was a distinguished military general of aristocratic stock.
Yea everyone could read that
Subscribed.
0:54 I see somebodies been dabbling in Modern Irish history
9:10 Turtledove "Through Darkest Europe" 's watching you.
What if the Western Interior Seaway didn’t disappear?
What if the partitions of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth never happened?
Poland would still lose lots of wars. They were Russia's bitch at that time and got backstabbed by them. I think "What if Poland-Lithuania's power never waned" would be better. For a long time, the Poles were stronger than the Muscovites and were able to do what Napoleon couldn't - defeat Russia and siege down Muscovy. Their power eventually faded due to Poland becoming kind of an oligarchy and not having many allies and that not happening is very much possible
"What if Poland-Lithuania" reformed its constitution earlier" would be cool too.
Louder! I can't turn the volume on my cell up any further!
7:50. Why is it that in some societies war and lack of unification cause constant poverty, and in others, it forces improvement?
State vs State wars generate progress, as different groups with different skills and mindsets, but usually evenly matched, compete for dominance.
State vs Insurgents can also generate progress, but not allways, as one side is trying to change the status quo, usually for the better.
Proxy Wars generate chaos, as the warring sides are at the mercy of foreing entities, who are not being directly affected by the conflict, thus, they go on for as long as they can afford it, not caring about the consequences inside the warzone.
so the purge of the templars in france never happens
I'll say it again for some reason your appearance reminds me of the Professor from Money Heist.
Also I do wonder what would've occured had say the Sunset Invasion occured around the time of the black death and the Aztecs were magically immune to it.... (JUST THINK OF THE MOUNTAIN OF BODIES)
3:29 Machiavellian (philosophically at least) does not just mean a power grab, although that is a common misinterpretation.
What if WWIII errupted in 1962? ( in scenario where nobody use nukes )
Form Over Fact Belief Structures
Western: Equality
Technically not just Christianity. Aquinas actually took quite abit of his influence regarding rationality from Maimonides (Rambam) in Judaism
This is a more elevated video than I expected, had to delete my joke comment:[
:/
The protestant reformation was not about "reading" the bible it was about interpreting it differently than what the Church teaches, When Luther started the "reformation" there were 15+ Catholic german bibles and that's only in german dialects counted
The Song dynasty in China was not founded by a peasant rebel. Rather, it was actually brought about by a military coup by a general, who then became the first emperor of the dynasty. He tried to prevent any other general from attempting to imitate him by emasculating the army and inserting what we'd regard today as commissars to supervise army units. Centuries of ineffectual wars against the nomads ensued, culminating in the Mongol conquest.
5:10 I doubt it would collapse in to smaller states. The English would probably just gobble it and become something similar to the Angevin Empire.
6:02 This is the most European map of Europe ever.
3:51 趙匡胤: Guess I am a peasant now
What if Europe, Middle East, America and Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
What if? The salvation of more souls.
Renaissance was born and developed in Italy, a catholic country, before spreading in northern Europe. Thus even if all the west remained catholic, the modern age would have had the same development as our timeline. And the colonialism started with Spain and Portugal, another two catholic countries.
The Renaissance was thanks to those old Byzantine scrolls.
@@YourBoyJohnny94 That's partly true. Such an important phenomenon has many causes.
To name a few:
1) the rediscovery of the classical world due to the arrival of Byzantine documents (as you say)
2) the awakening of life in the cities and the increase of trade with the birth of a bourgeois class capable of replacing the feudal nobility, relegated to the sole task of making war
3) without the burden of feudal government, first city republics (the free "Comuni") and then regional republics developed
3) competition between those regional states
Italy was divided in many states, all competing with each other, all without links to the feudal world. They protected arts and science to increase their prestige. With the financial support of these states a new culture was born which, rising in the Italian scene, has naturally taken up elements of the Greco-Roman culture abandoned in the Middle Ages (which instead was a creation of the nordic peoples). From Italy it then spread to the rest of Europe
what if the August Coup of 1991 had worked?
Friendship is Magic, and Magic is heresy
lmfao
You should do “What if the Holy Britannian Empire existed”. The scenario is really far fetched and I personally think that the U.S. should have existed in the timeline to actually give the Britannians bigger rivalry next to Europia United (also brining Benjamin Franklin is way too implausible to ever happen, so the U.S. should have existed nevertheless). Britannia is much like the Domination of Draka from that God awful book series “The Domination” which you had reviewed earlier on, forming government ideals the polar opposite of the Americans and being the essential defeated remains of British royalists. I, personally, don’t like Anime but this is the only exception hence the “interesting” scenario. Heck, I wrote multiple alternate scenarios of the H.B.E. against the U.S.A.
You mean the British Empire?
You still need to make a what is Latin America was a superpower video are you ever actually going to make it!?
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It came close. The reformation was on the verge of taking everything north of the Alps. The counter-reformation recovered France, southern Germany and the Habsburg lands, reducing Protestant territory by half.
It would have probably declared itself the resurrection of the Western Roman Empire
I'd be pissed.
Wait...
Nearly 2000 years?
Was this video made in the 1900s
Damn, French really knows how to handle religion.
13:51 yeah, that happened in real life. It's called Lollardy.
*WHAT IF ROME HAD NEVER CONQUERED THE HELLENISTIC REGIMES?*
Why not?
7:40 "Japan wasn't dominated by a single class"
wut? What do you call the warrior class of the samurai than? The Emperor literally had no power!
What if the fist world war happened in 2000
What’s the role of Russia and the Orthodox east in this timeline?
I think Poland expands into that area. And orthodoxy never splits in 1000ad.
You just get a different Reformation later on...
Good timeline
We should bring back the crusades.
Change my mind
Counter-crusades (jihads)
His Dark Materials would like to know your location ~
I think you are wrong on the philosophical tendencies that would have prevailed. The thesis of the inherent irrationality of God was advanced in the Christian West by nominalists such as William of Ockham, who were condemned as heretics by the Papacy. This would most probably have happened even in this timeline.
Also, the Church's hegemony wouldn't have been political (even thought the Church would have still played an important political role) as much as spiritual and moral. This would have left some space for other political and social forces, thus saving some degree of competition.
In the end, the factors which caused the Age of Exploration were still there before the PoD, and some expeditions had already occurred (for example the one of the Vivaldi brothers) so I think it would have still happened. Maybe European colonialism would have been different.
As a Catholic I really wish we had a Catholic run nation still.
Elaborate, please. I don't know if you are calling for the rise of theocracy or something else.
LOL Diamond 101 I want a Catholic nation similar to Israel where Catholicism is the only religion allowed to be practiced and all political leaders or leader are Catholic with the best interests for both the church and people are the only thing that matters. In this scenario I would also like to see it be almost entirely of European decent.
as a Jew, I say no
@@Dylan-lw1xc Sorry for the late reply.
As a filthy Protestant, I do not which to see that happen, I prefer pluralism (don't know if that's the official name but it is in Victoria 2) where the state respects all religions but encourages Protesta- I mean a state religion.
LOL Diamond 101 I understand but one catholic state would be nice and I dong believe in violence between the Christian religions
What if the Orthodox church was more powerful than the Catholic church during post medieval times?
That did happen, in a way. At the end of the 19th century Russia was arguably strongest single empire on the face of Earth. With tsars claiming to be protectors of all eastern christians.
Orthodox church was however never unified and centralized like the catholic one. Its patriarchs were subservient to the state.
This can happen in medieval 2 if you start giving the Papacy land.
...if you all ready... ??
First time this early on a whatifalthist vid...
What if Anthony defeated Octavian in 31 B.C.?
What if the first Balkan war never happened