It was a critical frontier between the English and Castilian domains, if you read Shakespeare's Midsummer's Night Dream it's very explicit that even back then Florida was extremely strategical geopolitically.
@@devilliersgrobler3871 They settled in South Africa, but was not allowed to have their own churches in French. In about a generation, they all spoke Dutch. And then Afrikaans. Some French surnames, like ours, had to change their spelling so that it could be pronounced by a Dutch person. So, no 'Huguenot Colony' ever could have existed in South Africa. It wasn't even a Dutch colony - just a piece of land owned and managed by the VOC.
My family is descendant from french Huguenots, they went to barbados first before immigrating to South Carolina and later moving to Virginia/West Virginia
The French part of Rio was is called Guanabara, which is indeed a part of Rio. It is now know as "the Governor's Island", and for a long time was the Federal District of the country.
What if doggerland still existed What if Spain became protestant What if the gunpowder plot succeeded What if Japan never annexed Korea What if the atomic bomb was invented during ww1
@johnmburt1960 This would be interesting, I disagree with 'only insignificant superficial differences' as there are biological differences, though much smaller than this scenario entails. We could see an even more solid caste system evolving in many societies for one.
Spain protestant?! ROFL. They are Romans and Romans are Catholic... until they go atheist. Protestantism is a Germanic thing, also Basque but not Spanish, French, Portuguese nor Italian: Romans will be Romans.
Now that's an interesting one that I haven't heard of before! Japan would have a politeness culture and the idea that "God is Love" would be promoted through Christianity
@@grubbybum3614 In our world, Christianity permitted some local beliefs in Ireland, such as a belief in fairies and spirits. The local Japanese beliefs would be subordinated by Catholicism and incorporated into local superstition instead. As a result, the Japanese spiritual beliefs would eventually die out as they did in Ireland, being replaced by mainline Catholicism. Also in our timelime, Christianity did spread quickly, but it was outlawed by the Shogun and a war broke out as a result. The Christians lost that war.
Very interesting. As someone who grew up in Quebec, our history teachers never told us about those attempts by the Huguenots to make colonies. We learn about Jacques Cartier's 3 expeditions in Canada between 1534 and 1541 and his failed attempt to settle permanently in 1541, but then we go straight to Champlain in the 1600's. Maybe because the school dont want to talk about protestants. Also, I think Brazilian and Florida colonies would've made France even more rich and powerful in the 1600's.
In Pernambuco state there was a mild development . But Mauricio of Nassau was a exception in all Dutch Colonization history , Mauricio of Nassau was summoned back to Netherlands because " He was spending tooo much money " The netherlands didnt want here to grow up, they just wanted to explore without bringing ANYTHING like they did in Indonesia , Suriname etc...
They conquer the Mongols and then their leader (Japanese Genghis) conquers the world more extensively than the Mongols ever did. Armenia, Turkey, Ukraine, and Afghanistan all become majority Japanese with significant Japanese minorities in nearby countries.
I wonder what would have happened to the Huguenots who went to what is present day Germany and Switzerland. Would they have followed the French Huguenots or continued to New Amsterdam and New Sweden and Philadelphia?
the became ana baptist, then baptist. At least according to baptist history, although there are some huguenots still around and thier doctrine is nearly identical to baptist.
16:15 probably not. French Louisiana already had a significant free black (and native) population and interracial marriages in the 18th century, this was wiped out by the American Southerners after the Louisiana purchase. The truth is that french colonial culture was more tolerant and less racist than the English one. With France being patronizing while England being domineering and borderline genocidal with the natives (while Québec still has mixed Franco-native populations.) It's also true for Spain weirdly, where even though they were deeply racist, they weren't anywhere near as segregationist as the English.
You make a great point slavery may have ended sooner in the Huguenot Country bc France helped Britain end the slave trade and this country would be a British ally, then they would be pressured to do so as well. He’s applying his AngloAmerican views into a society and culture he has very little understanding on.
What if the 80-years war fully succeeded. I mean that in this timeline also the Southern Netherlands(Belgium, Nord pas de Calais and Luxembourg) became a part of the Dutch republic. This would mean that Belgium and the Netherlands would be one nation today and belgium would be protestant. The capital would also be Antwerp because that was the capital of the dutch republic before it got conquered by the spanish in 1585
The reason that the Southern Netherlands didn´t join with the Netherlands is that they didn´t, the war had a religious atmosphere and since the north and south were protestant and catholic, they would definitely NOT join.
@@2manyeggshells in that time the south was also protestant. When Antwerp became the capital in 1581 catholism was illegal in the city. They're were in fact some parts of the south who were loyal to catholism like Namur, Atrecht en Luxembourg, but the most importent cities(at the time) like Antwerp, Brussels and Ghent were protestant. Only after the fall of Antwerp in 1585(a lot of protestant people from Antwerp also imigrated to Amsterdam) they really split and the South became very catholic under the Spanish rule.
@@2manyeggshells they did join when the Dutch Republic first formally separated from Spain. Spain successfully reconquered the southern half which became the "Spanish Netherlands" or "Belgium" later.
What you described is exactly what happened, with the south/southeast of Brazil becoming industrialised, and the north/northeast suffering the aftermath of colonial era. The difference is that our southeast had a huge slave population and legacy. Brazilian, here. The other thing that you forgot to factor is the huge wealth of gold and diamond reserves in Minas Gerais, that probably would change the dynamic between France and the Brazilian colony.
My ancestors were Huguenots (Hugenoten) they fled from Southern spain to the Netherlands. Then after the Napoleonic wars the new government took away all their estates and we ended up poor.
Question. Would the French owning the state of Mina Gerais in Brazil and its rich amount of gold have had any major impact on the Napoleonic wars or other parts of French history?
I'd like to see an alternate history timeline that results in DC Comics' Metropolis & Gotham City. My pet theory is that the Puritans settled Manhattan, the Dutch settled Virginia, and Jamestown is where our Philadelphia is.
@johnmburt1960 - My interpretation is that the USSR model was very very effective in Fordist conditions (disciplinary industry, mass worker) but horrible in Toyotist ones (social worker, more informal and less disciplinary). Hence around that date of 1968, which for Toni Negri is the key date of inflection betwee those two Capitalist phases, with authoritarianism being challenged both in the West as in the East, the Eastern Bloc should have embraced reform at least to some degree, turning from totalitarian socialismo into democratic socialism, which was being experimented with in Czechoslovakia at that time. The West did that, at least to some extent, De Gaulle had to go and soon after the likes of Franco and other tyrants, the East instead reacted reinforcing the totalitarian form, and it was only very very late, with Gorbachev, that they finally realized they had no choice but to reform. If it had been the other way around, the USSR would probably have succeeded in the ideological and efficiency cold war. If both sides embraced reform it would have been maybe a close match. Maybe we'd be still immersed in the First Cold War and not in the Second one (China does not compare well, it was much more underdeveloped and underdeveloped countries remained in Fordism for much longer, it's hard to gauge how it will work in the future). That's my speculation at least. Whatever the case in the Fordist phase the centrally planned Bolshevik system worked very well, no doubt. The problems came notably after that fateful August 20th 1968, which incidentally was my birthday.
@johnmburt1960 - That's of course a legitimate objection. But the "what if" is about Prague Spring being successful, what implies that the USSR would have accepted Czech Democratic Socialism as at least a serious variant of their order. If that happened, have no doubt that the Hungarians, Polish, East Germans and soon after the Russians themselves would have demanded the same and got some of it. The whole bloc would have become more or less Democratic Socialist and thus would have faced the 70s and 80s in much much better shape probably. Eurocommunism would not have appeared as a distinct branch claiming inheritance from Prague Spring, the Komintern would have been restored under Prage principles and the class struggle in the West would have become even more legitimate than ever before. You would not hear "communism doesn't work" but rather "capitalism doesn't work". Your 1917 scenario would be my favorite one of course but much harder to see how they could have survived the persistent siege by all the rest of the World. Maybe Lenin & Stalin happened because they were what worked best for underdeveloped Russian circumstances, much as Cromwell was what worked best for underdeveloped English circumstances back in the day.
i found out recently i have a a huguenot ancester my grandfather thought his middle name was scottish Hugus but it was actually from a france family have been here on his line since the french and indian war
As a brazilian I feel like there were a few important things that weren't considered in Franco-South America: -There was a Gold deposit in the brazilian state of Minas Gerais (part of huguenot control) and that would likely have caused a lot of conflict in the timeline, since either France would've tried to tax it and piss off the miners, or the French-brazilians would've gotten really rich and either way, it would change the timeline a lot. -Also, the region gobbled up by the french in this timeline include the Southeast and South of Brazil, by far the richest regions in our timeline, combined making up 70% of modern brazil's economy, the areas left with the portuguese, the Caatinga and Amazon are not very useful for agriculture, or most economic activities for that matter, the only suitable part would be a thin strip of fertile rainforest along the coast, whatever colony was left for the portuguese would be significantly poorer than our timeline's brazil and would likely crumble as soon as it lost direct portuguese support.
Brazil would be much better, protestants were much better in colonization process. Catholic countries like Spain created shittthole countries as Mexico (and I am spaniard).
I watch your videos quite a bit and was surprised when I saw you made a video on the Huguenots. I’m a descendent of Mathieu Isaac Agee, who was a Huguenot who settled in Virginia around 1700 or 1701. While he wasn’t part of a Huguenot colony, his original reason for fleeing France was because of his faith.
As a Guatemalan, I am so glad we're so lucky that we didn't become part of the French usa in this timeline lmao. I will rather be called a Mexican than a French person.
Great Video, you've made quite a lot of research, glad that someone point out this period of our history that is often forgotten, even here in France... Just to point something, at 0:15, it's not François II (Francis II) but his father Henri II (Henry II). François II died at the age of 16, only 1 year after his corronation. Anyway, keep up the good work ! Greetings from a french history fan !
@@LuisAldamiz Maybe if the Chinese nationalists and the communists couldn't overcome their difference for the bigger threat and civil war erupted with maybe even one side siding with the Japanese
@@titus5427 - You overestimate Japan and underestimate the sheer size of China and the fact that it was not anymore a vertical empire but a *nation* -- a people-nation that would not accept anything but its own national reconstruction one way or another. Japan was just too brutal, too imperialist and their conquest too fast-paced to be sustainable. I can't think of any comparable historical conquest that happened that way: the most comparable ones were conquests of previously established vertical empires like China itself by the Mongols (and it still took two generations, 67 years to be precise) or Alexander's conquest of the Persian Empire (to this date the greatest blitz ever but Alexander and Seleucus allowed themselves to be "persianized" in order to hold power, conquest is not just a military act). As Machiavelli said: such kind of highly vertical states are easy to keep because the people is already used to obey almost blindly, so it's a matter of replacing a dictator by another one. China was not anymore that kind of nation when Japan attacked: the people were fighting (even among each other) for their country. That's probably the most difficult of all conquests: one that goes against a people-nation, they may succeed but only after a very lenghty and sustained effort, which may take centuries (and even then they will rebel again and again: bad investment).
I think French Brazil would include the states of Maranhao , Pará and Amapá ! May be there would be two french nations in South America , One by the southeast based on Rio de Janeiro and other and the North that would include Maranhão, Pará , Amapá and the current French Guyana.
According to ancestry a decent amount of my ancestors on my grandma's fraternal line where are huguenots. Did anyone house find huguenots in their family tree when searching.
A République de Floride, would have been so interesting; the question is; at the time of the French revolution, would they have United again? I think so, but again what if?
wait, if the United States being a strong nation in this timeline and didn't took all north Mexico, how did the huguenot nation being a weaker nation managed to achieve all north Mexico ? how does the Huguenot Nation affects the texan history? and how does this affect the french crown?
1.-Possibly start a full scale revolt during the first years of the 1860's with a civil war much more destructive than in OTL. 2.-Possibly the population of America is slighty bigger in the following centuries, or maybe the world of 2020 of this timeline turns to be completely different since some dude or chick of Roanoke fathers/gives birth to a ancestor of a new eminence in the field of science or politics. 3.-This one i don't really know how much will alter the timeline...
The Huguenot nation in North America should surely be called _"Outremer"._ There are enough whackos who believe that when the Knights Templar spoke of "Outremer", they meant the New World, not Palestine. An interesting question is, if the French colony in South America retained its original name of "France Antarctique", what would the continent at the South Pole be called when it was eventually discovered? My suggestion: New America, since it is clearly the third continent of the New World.
@@grubbybum3614 No maybe Germanic culture language and population could have replaced the last Romans turning Germans and Italians into brothers like Dutch and Germans
@@yellow5021. I see. You'd probably need many, many more Germanic settlers in Italy and Southern France for this situation to occur - perhaps the catalyst is a more successful Hunic invasion, which forces more Germans into Latin lands.
I think the south american nation should be called Parana because the parana river flows through the country. As for the north american one though,i called it Coliridia.Its a pormanteu of Coligny, OTL Charleston & Florida.
I feel like this USA would be significantly more aggressive in manifest destiny. There'd be two rivals on continent, Britain and la république de floride. the USA's mentality of being geographically invincible wouldn't happen due to this, so we'd always be ready for war. I imagine we'd take all of california, BC, and would definitely have a long standing naval arms race with Florida. Floride would certainly be a gulf nation, not reaching california like you depict, due to the aggression of the US, and the facts of new mexico and arizona's geography
15:09 The founding fathers didn't have banks. The British didn't let the colonies have banks, so the first American banks weren't founded until 1783 or so.
We did it, gentlemen, we made French Confederates. French speaking alabamians farmers will read the Bible while shooting ducks. Now that guy that always call french a gay language will be pretty confused now.
Nice video idea, man ... But, as a Brazilian, I can say that was a Portuguese called Estácio de Sá that founded Rio de janeiro in 1565 and, even before this, in 1506, the portugueses navigators already knew the place, was not the french. More then this, a lot of facts are a little wrong about Brasil and it's colonization. I hope you improve it in future.
I wonder if the Huguenot's simply gave up on France and asked the English to anex Gascony. It was a hotbed of protestantism and had a long history of English rule. In the situation France was, I think England really had a chance on a Hundred Years War 2.0
Hey I have one major issue with your video and it has to do with Seminoles. The thing is there no real presence of their tribe in the peninsula until the 18th century and the whole reason they even came their has a lot to do with complicated relations between the Spanish and British, and regular raiding of the Spanish missions by native american tribes supported by the British. It's not impossible to imagine they still end up living in the same space in this timeline but it's far from guaranteed.
A Huguenot nation would be similar to the Afrikaners because they both had the same Calvinist faith. In fact many Afrikaners are descended from Huguenots.
French settler colonies had almost no involvement in the slave trade, it was only resource colonies, and Brazil is a settler colony in this timeline instead of a Portuguese resource colony
If the huguenots setteled up successfully, I think this would have affect the whole new france, including Canada. Louis XIV and Louis XV were both obsessed by the catholic supremacy in France. Thats why I think both would have made all their possible to send way more catholic people, especially elites, in Canada and Québec in order to keep a political control over their colonies. Huguenots would probably have been less persecuted during the end of the 17th centuries, because they would have a place (Florida) to go.
The real question is, what would the state of American auto racing be like in this timeline? Would southerners be racing Renaults on road courses? Would stock car racing even exist?
00:00 Islam wasn't the major religion in Albania until the middle of the 18th century, and still not all are. Bosnia wasn't Muslim-majority either in the 16th century, also you forgot that either Bosnia and Albania had a large Catholic presence.
0:02 are you sure that Pontus and Cappadocia weren't Christian? They had Greek majorities afterall. Also the Cypriot north was Christian, with only bubbles of Muslims all across the island.
How would the French colonies react to the Napoleonic Wars and the eventually War of 1812? Would the Americans focus more effort on subduing and conquering Canada in order to gain more economically viable land since the southern lands would be in the hands of Huguenots? Would an eventually Mexican-American and American Civil War style conflict eventually erupt between America and Florida, and who would win?
Oooh Polynesia! Well for starters, waves of Polynesian colonials and tribes forming like that in Aotearoa (New Zealand). Trade and warfare with native American tribes, we'd likely see much more unity from the Polynesians due to a common culture and likely a common language forming like in Aotearoa. Polynesian seafaring techniques and shipbuilding could be passed on to the native tribes of the land promoting trade and increased contact with other tribes. The Polynesians: Depending on when they arrive, they could either bring agriculture or learn it from tribes already there. With all this new land and islands to colonise, we would likely see many tribes being formed with very similar or even common cultures and languages. Island tribes formed would likely keep the seafaring techniques and ships alive whilst continental tribes would likely, as stated before, be very similar to the Maori. With all these tribes comes a desire to expand and explore, we could possibly see Polynesian settlers explore the coasts of America and perhaps even make contact with Asia and Europe. The Native Americans: They would likely trade and make contact with other tribes all over the Americas with the Polynesian techniques of sailing, I don't know enough to say anything solid but perhaps we could see various native tribes making their own explorations and making contact with Europe or Asia.
“The peninsula of Florida was a Godforsaken swamp until 70 years ago. ” I would argue that it still is
It was a critical frontier between the English and Castilian domains, if you read Shakespeare's Midsummer's Night Dream it's very explicit that even back then Florida was extremely strategical geopolitically.
Luis Aldamiz As a Florida resident, I’m just joking, man. I’m making fun of how hot it always is here.
@Tickey Horseman That plus the draining of many of the swamps.
the peninsula of Florida is a submarine that is momentarily emerged
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NICE
Cool, didn’t know the Hugonauts tried to make colonies
They also settled in South Africa
What did he mean by "don't start a war until your population is at least 5,000"?
@Tickey Horseman yes, I have a French name
@@devilliersgrobler3871 They settled in South Africa, but was not allowed to have their own churches in French. In about a generation, they all spoke Dutch. And then Afrikaans. Some French surnames, like ours, had to change their spelling so that it could be pronounced by a Dutch person. So, no 'Huguenot Colony' ever could have existed in South Africa. It wasn't even a Dutch colony - just a piece of land owned and managed by the VOC.
@@johann.9271 Jah okay, I just said they settled
Therapist: french brazil doesnt exist, it cant hurt you
French brazil:
LMFAO
Tu viens au Brésil !
My family is descendant from french Huguenots, they went to barbados first before immigrating to South Carolina and later moving to Virginia/West Virginia
French American in WV? Swag
Interesting History
Wow
I never knew brazil could be so successfull...
Heck im french and i didnt know rio de janeiro was french!
Not Río as such, just an island nearby.
It never was, the Portuguese never allowed to set foot there.
The French part of Rio was is called Guanabara, which is indeed a part of Rio. It is now know as "the Governor's Island", and for a long time was the Federal District of the country.
Je ne savais même pas moi même xD
@@LuisAldamiz flamengo quarter also, they called it "henryville"
What if doggerland still existed
What if Spain became protestant
What if the gunpowder plot succeeded
What if Japan never annexed Korea
What if the atomic bomb was invented during ww1
1. more land
2. less catholism i guess
3. king ded
4. no empire
5. not possible lol
what if the white race survives the 21st century
@johnmburt1960 This would be interesting, I disagree with 'only insignificant superficial differences' as there are biological differences, though much smaller than this scenario entails. We could see an even more solid caste system evolving in many societies for one.
@johnmburt1960. Sources?
Spain protestant?! ROFL. They are Romans and Romans are Catholic... until they go atheist. Protestantism is a Germanic thing, also Basque but not Spanish, French, Portuguese nor Italian: Romans will be Romans.
Man, i love your work!!!! Thanks from Brazil for this fascinating timeline.
"French Brazil would have likely cannibalize Uruguay", yeah, let's See if Garibaldi agree first
"The peninsula of Florida was a God forsaken swamp."
Still is mate. Nothing can save the poor devils.
That is not what the entire USA says in January and February, more like they wish they were on a Florida beach right now.
Florida is a paradise now lol
I'm not from Florida, but you've gotta admit, what the have in swamps they also have in beaches.
@@YourBoyJohnny94 Florida is an artificial hell of retirement homes and bad planning.
What if Japan became Catholic in the 16th century?
Gonna keep asking this one until it happens!
Now that's an interesting one that I haven't heard of before! Japan would have a politeness culture and the idea that "God is Love" would be promoted through Christianity
Interesting. But how would it spread and replace the local beliefs so quickly?
Nothing really.
@@grubbybum3614 In our world, Christianity permitted some local beliefs in Ireland, such as a belief in fairies and spirits. The local Japanese beliefs would be subordinated by Catholicism and incorporated into local superstition instead. As a result, the Japanese spiritual beliefs would eventually die out as they did in Ireland, being replaced by mainline Catholicism.
Also in our timelime, Christianity did spread quickly, but it was outlawed by the Shogun and a war broke out as a result. The Christians lost that war.
@@grubbybum3614 remember Rome?
Very interesting. As someone who grew up in Quebec, our history teachers never told us about those attempts by the Huguenots to make colonies. We learn about Jacques Cartier's 3 expeditions in Canada between 1534 and 1541 and his failed attempt to settle permanently in 1541, but then we go straight to Champlain in the 1600's. Maybe because the school dont want to talk about protestants. Also, I think Brazilian and Florida colonies would've made France even more rich and powerful in the 1600's.
In Pernambuco state there was a mild development . But Mauricio of Nassau was a exception in all Dutch Colonization history , Mauricio of Nassau was summoned back to Netherlands because " He was spending tooo much money " The netherlands didnt want here to grow up, they just wanted to explore without bringing ANYTHING like they did in Indonesia , Suriname etc...
What if Germany Unified in medieval times?
Then it would’ve been a powerhouse
@Justinien 1er haha I don't have a Roman profile pic BUT GLORY TO ROME
We'd all be speaking German.
They could keep their colony in Venezuela
Neatling did a video on early unified Germany with colonies
What if Japan never cut itself off from the rest of the world?
They became Christian and later partitioned
@@AlexS-oj8qf they become the Philippines 2.0
They conquer the Mongols and then their leader (Japanese Genghis) conquers the world more extensively than the Mongols ever did. Armenia, Turkey, Ukraine, and Afghanistan all become majority Japanese with significant Japanese minorities in nearby countries.
@@greenbeans7573 I doubt that
@@eliasrutten3814 That was so obviously a joke i am questioning if you are saying this as a joke too
I wonder what would have happened to the Huguenots who went to what is present day Germany and Switzerland. Would they have followed the French Huguenots or continued to New Amsterdam and New Sweden and Philadelphia?
Cool
He said that they would go to huguenot colonies
the became ana baptist, then baptist. At least according to baptist history, although there are some huguenots still around and thier doctrine is nearly identical to baptist.
16:15 probably not. French Louisiana already had a significant free black (and native) population and interracial marriages in the 18th century, this was wiped out by the American Southerners after the Louisiana purchase. The truth is that french colonial culture was more tolerant and less racist than the English one. With France being patronizing while England being domineering and borderline genocidal with the natives (while Québec still has mixed Franco-native populations.)
It's also true for Spain weirdly, where even though they were deeply racist, they weren't anywhere near as segregationist as the English.
You make a great point slavery may have ended sooner in the Huguenot Country bc France helped Britain end the slave trade and this country would be a British ally, then they would be pressured to do so as well. He’s applying his AngloAmerican views into a society and culture he has very little understanding on.
@@demarcomixonanglos always do. And always think their model is the best
There was also a sizable Huguenot community that settled in and around present-day Richmond, VA.
Le Sud revivra!
(Supposed to be “The South shall rise again!” but the “The South shall live again” seemed a better phrase to translate from)
I am a descendant of a French Huguenot, Jan Durand, a surgeon who gave up his livelihood and moved to South Africa to become a farmer.
What if the 80-years war fully succeeded. I mean that in this timeline also the Southern Netherlands(Belgium, Nord pas de Calais and Luxembourg) became a part of the Dutch republic. This would mean that Belgium and the Netherlands would be one nation today and belgium would be protestant. The capital would also be Antwerp because that was the capital of the dutch republic before it got conquered by the spanish in 1585
The reason that the Southern Netherlands didn´t join with the Netherlands is that they didn´t, the war had a religious atmosphere and since the north and south were protestant and catholic, they would definitely NOT join.
@@2manyeggshells in that time the south was also protestant. When Antwerp became the capital in 1581 catholism was illegal in the city. They're were in fact some parts of the south who were loyal to catholism like Namur, Atrecht en Luxembourg, but the most importent cities(at the time) like Antwerp, Brussels and Ghent were protestant.
Only after the fall of Antwerp in 1585(a lot of protestant people from Antwerp also imigrated to Amsterdam) they really split and the South became very catholic under the Spanish rule.
@@2manyeggshells they did join when the Dutch Republic first formally separated from Spain. Spain successfully reconquered the southern half which became the "Spanish Netherlands" or "Belgium" later.
@@michielp1922 correct! We were once one unified nation, until we got split.
Belgium is already catholic in our timeline
Great job! Thank from a french Canadian.
Not exactly what I asked for, but it's still very well done. I'm definitely not disappointed. Well done, sir.
13:41 well, I’m simultaneously a crafty peasant and a cultist
As someone with French Huguenot roots from SC and VA this is interesting
What you described is exactly what happened, with the south/southeast of Brazil becoming industrialised, and the north/northeast suffering the aftermath of colonial era. The difference is that our southeast had a huge slave population and legacy. Brazilian, here. The other thing that you forgot to factor is the huge wealth of gold and diamond reserves in Minas Gerais, that probably would change the dynamic between France and the Brazilian colony.
My ancestors were Huguenots (Hugenoten) they fled from Southern spain to the Netherlands. Then after the Napoleonic wars the new government took away all their estates and we ended up poor.
Question. Would the French owning the state of Mina Gerais in Brazil and its rich amount of gold have had any major impact on the Napoleonic wars or other parts of French history?
I'd like to see an alternate history timeline that results in DC Comics' Metropolis & Gotham City. My pet theory is that the Puritans settled Manhattan, the Dutch settled Virginia, and Jamestown is where our Philadelphia is.
This was worth the wait
What if the Prague Spring of 1968 was successful ?
The USSR would have won the Cold War.
@johnmburt1960 I really like the Bulgarian example. Only almost 3 years ago
@johnmburt1960 - My interpretation is that the USSR model was very very effective in Fordist conditions (disciplinary industry, mass worker) but horrible in Toyotist ones (social worker, more informal and less disciplinary). Hence around that date of 1968, which for Toni Negri is the key date of inflection betwee those two Capitalist phases, with authoritarianism being challenged both in the West as in the East, the Eastern Bloc should have embraced reform at least to some degree, turning from totalitarian socialismo into democratic socialism, which was being experimented with in Czechoslovakia at that time. The West did that, at least to some extent, De Gaulle had to go and soon after the likes of Franco and other tyrants, the East instead reacted reinforcing the totalitarian form, and it was only very very late, with Gorbachev, that they finally realized they had no choice but to reform.
If it had been the other way around, the USSR would probably have succeeded in the ideological and efficiency cold war. If both sides embraced reform it would have been maybe a close match. Maybe we'd be still immersed in the First Cold War and not in the Second one (China does not compare well, it was much more underdeveloped and underdeveloped countries remained in Fordism for much longer, it's hard to gauge how it will work in the future).
That's my speculation at least. Whatever the case in the Fordist phase the centrally planned Bolshevik system worked very well, no doubt. The problems came notably after that fateful August 20th 1968, which incidentally was my birthday.
@johnmburt1960 - That's of course a legitimate objection. But the "what if" is about Prague Spring being successful, what implies that the USSR would have accepted Czech Democratic Socialism as at least a serious variant of their order. If that happened, have no doubt that the Hungarians, Polish, East Germans and soon after the Russians themselves would have demanded the same and got some of it. The whole bloc would have become more or less Democratic Socialist and thus would have faced the 70s and 80s in much much better shape probably. Eurocommunism would not have appeared as a distinct branch claiming inheritance from Prague Spring, the Komintern would have been restored under Prage principles and the class struggle in the West would have become even more legitimate than ever before. You would not hear "communism doesn't work" but rather "capitalism doesn't work".
Your 1917 scenario would be my favorite one of course but much harder to see how they could have survived the persistent siege by all the rest of the World. Maybe Lenin & Stalin happened because they were what worked best for underdeveloped Russian circumstances, much as Cromwell was what worked best for underdeveloped English circumstances back in the day.
Luis Aldamiz uhhh... how?
“Francis ii” was actually a picture of Henry ii
Could you do a video about Klein-Venedig? The German Colony in Venezuela?
Germans with a lot of oil
What if king Arthur's empire actually existed
What if the visigoths survived?
What if the germanic post roman kingdoms survived?
What if the dutch took over brazil?
What if Japan became Christian?
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What if you didnt bombard him with rude comments?
what if the cultural marxists take over america?
what if the whites become a minority in america?
what if isis conquered europe?
So I would be eating baguette now.
The Portuguese also eat baguette, it's not exclusive of France.
@@LuisAldamiz So is the same, because my country was colonized by both Spain and Portugal.
@@hernan1868 - What country is it: Uruguay?
@@LuisAldamiz Yep.
Make more alternative history of brazil!
Nice to see you back
this was extremely interesting, good job!
i found out recently i have a a huguenot ancester my grandfather thought his middle name was scottish Hugus but it was actually from a france family have been here on his line since the french and indian war
This was a good one bro!
I would love to see a re-made video on French North America alternate history again!
What if the Irish Americans never integrated into American society
Also what if there was a Irish genocide
@@VictorSanchez-pk1iv you mean another one , right?
Yes , but that the same scale that the holocaust
@@VictorSanchez-pk1iv it almost was that size..
No _racist_ donut eating cops in our time line.
Whatifalthist 2100:
What if the Cosmonot colonies worked?
As a brazilian I feel like there were a few important things that weren't considered in Franco-South America:
-There was a Gold deposit in the brazilian state of Minas Gerais (part of huguenot control) and that would likely have caused a lot of conflict in the timeline, since either France would've tried to tax it and piss off the miners, or the French-brazilians would've gotten really rich and either way, it would change the timeline a lot.
-Also, the region gobbled up by the french in this timeline include the Southeast and South of Brazil, by far the richest regions in our timeline, combined making up 70% of modern brazil's economy, the areas left with the portuguese, the Caatinga and Amazon are not very useful for agriculture, or most economic activities for that matter, the only suitable part would be a thin strip of fertile rainforest along the coast, whatever colony was left for the portuguese would be significantly poorer than our timeline's brazil and would likely crumble as soon as it lost direct portuguese support.
Brazil would be much better, protestants were much better in colonization process. Catholic countries like Spain created shittthole countries as Mexico (and I am spaniard).
Can you please do a video on the 1848revolution in hungary? Love your work!
I watch your videos quite a bit and was surprised when I saw you made a video on the Huguenots. I’m a descendent of Mathieu Isaac Agee, who was a Huguenot who settled in Virginia around 1700 or 1701. While he wasn’t part of a Huguenot colony, his original reason for fleeing France was because of his faith.
As a Guatemalan, I am so glad we're so lucky that we didn't become part of the French usa in this timeline lmao. I will rather be called a Mexican than a French person.
Great Video, you've made quite a lot of research, glad that someone point out this period of our history that is often forgotten, even here in France... Just to point something, at 0:15, it's not François II (Francis II) but his father Henri II (Henry II). François II died at the age of 16, only 1 year after his corronation.
Anyway, keep up the good work ! Greetings from a french history fan !
Kind of want a part two of this
What if Japan broke china before or early on in ww2
Like how? I don't see how: that colonial war was doomed from day one.
@@LuisAldamiz Maybe if the Chinese nationalists and the communists couldn't overcome their difference for the bigger threat and civil war erupted with maybe even one side siding with the Japanese
@@titus5427 - You overestimate Japan and underestimate the sheer size of China and the fact that it was not anymore a vertical empire but a *nation* -- a people-nation that would not accept anything but its own national reconstruction one way or another. Japan was just too brutal, too imperialist and their conquest too fast-paced to be sustainable. I can't think of any comparable historical conquest that happened that way: the most comparable ones were conquests of previously established vertical empires like China itself by the Mongols (and it still took two generations, 67 years to be precise) or Alexander's conquest of the Persian Empire (to this date the greatest blitz ever but Alexander and Seleucus allowed themselves to be "persianized" in order to hold power, conquest is not just a military act). As Machiavelli said: such kind of highly vertical states are easy to keep because the people is already used to obey almost blindly, so it's a matter of replacing a dictator by another one. China was not anymore that kind of nation when Japan attacked: the people were fighting (even among each other) for their country. That's probably the most difficult of all conquests: one that goes against a people-nation, they may succeed but only after a very lenghty and sustained effort, which may take centuries (and even then they will rebel again and again: bad investment).
I think French Brazil would include the states of Maranhao , Pará and Amapá ! May be there would be two french nations in South America , One by the southeast based on Rio de Janeiro and other and the North that would include Maranhão, Pará , Amapá and the current French Guyana.
Why French Guiana would be independant in this timeline ?
According to ancestry a decent amount of my ancestors on my grandma's fraternal line where are huguenots. Did anyone house find huguenots in their family tree when searching.
Yes
Finally! You're back!
Can you provide a source for the 1:32 map. I want to know what each color is (besides the obvious ones)
My ancestor was a Huguenot who moved to Cape Town in 1684
A République de Floride, would have been so interesting; the question is; at the time of the French revolution, would they have United again? I think so, but again what if?
I think that would have ultimately been suicide
Great work here, it took a lot of detailed research
Forte dos Reis Magos was called Kekule Castle in the Ducth Colonizations and the city of Natal New Amsterdam
first vid of yours, it's great!
What if the Benin Empire industrialized?
That's neat. I also never heard about the Hugonaut colonial tries. I have some ancestors who I think where Hugonauts so that's interesting.
What if Portugal colonized Australia instead of Britain?
That was a pretty cool alternate history
0:00 who made this map? And why is he terminally ill?
The Huguenot state IS BASED
What if Doggerland never sank is an interesting one
wait, if the United States being a strong nation in this timeline and didn't took all north Mexico, how did the huguenot nation being a weaker nation managed to achieve all north Mexico ? how does the Huguenot Nation affects the texan history? and how does this affect the french crown?
0:14 I'm pretty sure that this is not Francis II.
one of your better videos
Great Video Rudyard
6:43 hey scots-Irish that's us
What if the Raid on Harper's Ferry succeeded?
What if the Roanoke colony disappearance never happened?
What if Knight's Templar were never destroyed?
1.-Possibly start a full scale revolt during the first years of the 1860's with a civil war much more destructive than in OTL.
2.-Possibly the population of America is slighty bigger in the following centuries, or maybe the world of 2020 of this timeline turns to be completely different since some dude or chick of Roanoke fathers/gives birth to a ancestor of a new eminence in the field of science or politics.
3.-This one i don't really know how much will alter the timeline...
As a Floridian 14:52 would be pretty awesome ngl
The Huguenot nation in North America should surely be called _"Outremer"._
There are enough whackos who believe that when the Knights Templar spoke of "Outremer", they meant the New World, not Palestine.
An interesting question is, if the French colony in South America retained its original name of "France Antarctique", what would the continent at the South Pole be called when it was eventually discovered? My suggestion: New America, since it is clearly the third continent of the New World.
What if Romance languages died out in the middle ages replaced by Germanic languages all over Southern Europe?
...people speak differently. The end?
@@grubbybum3614 No maybe Germanic culture language and population could have replaced the last Romans turning Germans and Italians into brothers like Dutch and Germans
@@yellow5021. I see. You'd probably need many, many more Germanic settlers in Italy and Southern France for this situation to occur - perhaps the catalyst is a more successful Hunic invasion, which forces more Germans into Latin lands.
Wouldn't make any changes to me, I am still Slav
@@yanuchiuchihaanimegamesand3907 You might have Gothic or Iranic neighbours.
Huguenotes and PIRATES ! Pirate Jacques Rifault also had a port here in my city
The USA would definitely join the central powers due to the high German population, it almost (sort of) did in our timeline
I’m surprised Whatifalthist didn’t come to the same conclusion. I feel as if it would be obvious.
Finally a new vedio from favorite UA-camr
I think the south american nation should be called Parana because the parana river flows through the country.
As for the north american one though,i called it Coliridia.Its a pormanteu of Coligny, OTL Charleston & Florida.
Can you source the part about Rio being founded by the French?
Emperor Leroy In Brazil we learn that in school.
@TheBrodsterBoy I just find that shocking and would like a source on it.
What if... in 1812 the British decided that instead of impressing American sailors, they instead hired entire American ships as privateers?
I feel like this USA would be significantly more aggressive in manifest destiny. There'd be two rivals on continent, Britain and la république de floride. the USA's mentality of being geographically invincible wouldn't happen due to this, so we'd always be ready for war. I imagine we'd take all of california, BC, and would definitely have a long standing naval arms race with Florida. Floride would certainly be a gulf nation, not reaching california like you depict, due to the aggression of the US, and the facts of new mexico and arizona's geography
Sounds a bit like What madness is this - Redux: The Union forever.
They were already agressive but not to Europeans.They massacred,exiled and starved Native Americans.
15:09 The founding fathers didn't have banks. The British didn't let the colonies have banks, so the first American banks weren't founded until 1783 or so.
We did it, gentlemen, we made French Confederates.
French speaking alabamians farmers will read the Bible while shooting ducks.
Now that guy that always call french a gay language will be pretty confused now.
What time is it ?
It’s deportation time
Nice video idea, man
... But, as a Brazilian, I can say that was a Portuguese called Estácio de Sá that founded Rio de janeiro in 1565 and, even before this, in 1506, the portugueses navigators already knew the place, was not the french. More then this, a lot of facts are a little wrong about Brasil and it's colonization. I hope you improve it in future.
I wonder if the Huguenot's simply gave up on France and asked the English to anex Gascony. It was a hotbed of protestantism and had a long history of English rule. In the situation France was, I think England really had a chance on a Hundred Years War 2.0
Hey I have one major issue with your video and it has to do with Seminoles. The thing is there no real presence of their tribe in the peninsula until the 18th century and the whole reason they even came their has a lot to do with complicated relations between the Spanish and British, and regular raiding of the Spanish missions by native american tribes supported by the British. It's not impossible to imagine they still end up living in the same space in this timeline but it's far from guaranteed.
A Huguenot nation would be similar to the Afrikaners because they both had the same Calvinist faith. In fact many Afrikaners are descended from Huguenots.
French settler colonies had almost no involvement in the slave trade, it was only resource colonies, and Brazil is a settler colony in this timeline instead of a Portuguese resource colony
I insist on a part 2
If the huguenots setteled up successfully, I think this would have affect the whole new france, including Canada. Louis XIV and Louis XV were both obsessed by the catholic supremacy in France. Thats why I think both would have made all their possible to send way more catholic people, especially elites, in Canada and Québec in order to keep a political control over their colonies. Huguenots would probably have been less persecuted during the end of the 17th centuries, because they would have a place (Florida) to go.
What if Germany discovered a huge oil reserve(in Germany)in 1936?
@João Cé Steil had they had more fuel reserves they could have supported more motorised division ect ect
The real question is, what would the state of American auto racing be like in this timeline? Would southerners be racing Renaults on road courses? Would stock car racing even exist?
Believe it or not Huguenots also went to Jamaica. We have French names too.
Many so called English Irish names can be traced back to France.
00:00 Islam wasn't the major religion in Albania until the middle of the 18th century, and still not all are.
Bosnia wasn't Muslim-majority either in the 16th century, also you forgot that either Bosnia and Albania had a large Catholic presence.
0:02 are you sure that Pontus and Cappadocia weren't Christian? They had Greek majorities afterall. Also the Cypriot north was Christian, with only bubbles of Muslims all across the island.
How would the French colonies react to the Napoleonic Wars and the eventually War of 1812? Would the Americans focus more effort on subduing and conquering Canada in order to gain more economically viable land since the southern lands would be in the hands of Huguenots? Would an eventually Mexican-American and American Civil War style conflict eventually erupt between America and Florida, and who would win?
What if polynesians settled somewhere on the west coast of the Americas?
Oooh Polynesia! Well for starters, waves of Polynesian colonials and tribes forming like that in Aotearoa (New Zealand). Trade and warfare with native American tribes, we'd likely see much more unity from the Polynesians due to a common culture and likely a common language forming like in Aotearoa. Polynesian seafaring techniques and shipbuilding could be passed on to the native tribes of the land promoting trade and increased contact with other tribes.
The Polynesians: Depending on when they arrive, they could either bring agriculture or learn it from tribes already there. With all this new land and islands to colonise, we would likely see many tribes being formed with very similar or even common cultures and languages. Island tribes formed would likely keep the seafaring techniques and ships alive whilst continental tribes would likely, as stated before, be very similar to the Maori. With all these tribes comes a desire to expand and explore, we could possibly see Polynesian settlers explore the coasts of America and perhaps even make contact with Asia and Europe.
The Native Americans: They would likely trade and make contact with other tribes all over the Americas with the Polynesian techniques of sailing, I don't know enough to say anything solid but perhaps we could see various native tribes making their own explorations and making contact with Europe or Asia.
If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bus.