On break and what a great way to have break with watching a great marathon runner with a phenomenal PB. Again congrats to you Reed and Tinman Elite, you all just make running more exciting 🎉🎉🎉
this is amazing a quite the time to set. I did the TCS waterfront in toronto and finished 600 out of 12,000. i thought i was doing great but 8 km in there is 16km on the other side of the road and i was like maybe i can see the front and boom coming back already were people hitting 16 km. it is crazy to see how a full marathon can be completed in just over two hours.
Hard to believe that tapering down to 80mi for race week will produce the best result. Wouldn't the legs be fresher by cutting down to 50mi? Incredible work ethic, and congrats on the PB in Chicago!
There is a balance between maintaining pop, muscle tension, and lowering mileage. If you reduce the percentage too much it could leave him feeling more flat and less “fast”. He and his coach definitely know that percentage for his body and it’s a fine line between freshening up and staying sharp. I run very similar mileage to Reed and I can say that an 80mile week feels very refreshing after lots of 100+.
@bclassey1 cool! Thanks for the insight. I’ve heard about and experienced feeling flat during a taper, just curious if that actually influences the race performance in the end. The muscle tension thing makes sense to me
Congratulations, Reed! I also finished Chicago and am considering another race which would be in 12 weeks (12 weeks after 1 week of recovery post-Chicago)… I was wondering what your thoughts are about that sort of timing (I.e., running 2 marathons 13 weeks apart)? Looks like your training is done over 12 weeks and I’m sure that’s because your base fitness is always pretty high… For context, Chicago was my 5th marathon, my PR is 3:15 on a rolling hills course (Carlsbad), I’m 45-49 AG masters runner with previous peak mileage of 6 weeks of 70 miles (for Chicago I averaged 65 miles/week in the month of September)… Any insights would be appreciated! Congratulations on your PR again!!
When's your deadline to register for race #2? I think it's important to listen to the body coming off a marathon. Sometimes I feel recharged and ready to get back to training after 7-14 days of rest, other times it's closer to a month before I feel the 'itch' again. 13 weeks is definitely doable, but it's got to be something you're physically and mentally looking forward to. With that said, maybe see how you're feeling end of this week and then register if you feel excited about it.
Thanks so much, Reed! Deadline to register is in 4 weeks so no rush! I did a 12 mile “long run” yesterday, which was 7 days after Chicago… I’m absolutely waiting to see how this week (and possibly next one) goes… I’ve started training today, but consider it still a semi-recovery week… Yes, have to listen to the body!!👍👍
Hi Reed, I recently ran my first half marathon after roughly a year of consistent training. I walked away with a 1:23. That being said I’m not sure where to go next. Do you think it’s possible for me to enter a marathon training block with the intent of running sub 3, or should I continue to try to master the middle distance? Congratulations, you are truly world class.
Hey all, I’m curious on your take regarding cutting out weights during the taper? I recently saw a clip where the strength coach for Mantz and Young has them lift all the way up until their race. I feel like the classic strategy involves cutting weights two weeks out/whenever you begin to taper. Would love to hear thoughts on this as I gear up for my D1 conference and regional races!
I've done both, and I think it's all about finding what works for you. I'm not a strength coach, and I won't pretend to be. I'd recommend asking your strength staff for their thoughts on the two options. I've found for me personally I either need to back off the weights or do fewer reps of heavier, more explosive exercises if I'm going to keep lifting. Either one gives me some extra 'pop' and freshness. Soldiering on with my usual lifting usually leaves me feeling a bit flat.
Hey Craig, good question. Most of the team wears plated shoes for our hard workout days but sticks in unplated shoes for the rest of our training. I'd say we're wearing something with a plate for ~10-15% of our weekly volume.
@reedfischer1894 thank you for taking the time to answer my question - I have been impressed with your humility over the years and have enjoyed your ascent to the outstanding runner that you have become
I typically start my taper three weeks out from race day. In those last three weeks I'll do one 'longer' run of about 90% of my peak long run, then one medium long run of about 70% of my peak long run, and then some shorter, faster workouts than usual. Like 6xMile at threshold to 10K effort as opposed to 8-10xMile at tempo to threshold effort. The biggest goals of the taper (in my opinion) is to remove the fatigue that's been living in your legs for the past month+, run some faster stuff to feel sharp and poppy, and give your mind some extra time and energy to focus on the race.
Yes, before starting the 'official' marathon buildup I'm often running 70 mile weeks. That's about 60% of my peak volume, so for someone who tops out at 50-60 miles/week in their marathon build (plenty for most experienced runners) that's equivalent to running about 30 miles for 'week 0'
Why run such high mileage during the taper, especially the last week of the taper? Why not be even more fresh for the marathon by cutting mileage more significantly?
^exactly. If you cut the percentage down too much it can leave you feeling flat and the tension in your muscles can dissipate. I run almost the exact mileage he does and if I drop to say, 40-50miles(total) on race week I would feel worse.
It’s also about keeping routine. You have 3 elements - frequency, intensity, and duration - and reducing more than one of these can throw your body out of its cycle that it’s been in, and this lack of rhythm can make it the lead up even worse
These guys nailed it^ At a certain point, I feel objectively worse mentally and physically when I run less volume. I've found that getting out the door and running for about an hour each day during race week is enough that I feel fresh, but not so little that my body and mind go haywire because they're missing the stimulus of training. And to Joakim's point, that last week includes a 28 mile day with a short warmup and the race itself which inflates the week quite a bit.
11th at a major is world class, congrats!
A bit faster and could pace females :) Insanely fast still.
@@jepulis6674 oh he could pace 99% of females and males already😄
Reed’s the most likable runner I have seen. Always rooting for him!! Congrats on your new PR 💪
On break and what a great way to have break with watching a great marathon runner with a phenomenal PB. Again congrats to you Reed and Tinman Elite, you all just make running more exciting 🎉🎉🎉
Very happy for you, you did awesome! You've been one of my favorites for a while and it's so cool to see all your hard work pay off
Mr. Reed, incredible work ! You did amazing ! Congratulations! ❤
Congratulations on running your personal record at the Chicago Marathon!
Yeah the video I have been waiting for…..well this and the actual breakdown of the race itself
well then it's a good thing that video is coming next week!
Well done!🎉🎉🎉
this is amazing a quite the time to set. I did the TCS waterfront in toronto and finished 600 out of 12,000. i thought i was doing great but 8 km in there is 16km on the other side of the road and i was like maybe i can see the front and boom coming back already were people hitting 16 km. it is crazy to see how a full marathon can be completed in just over two hours.
Yay Reed! 🎉
Hard to believe that tapering down to 80mi for race week will produce the best result. Wouldn't the legs be fresher by cutting down to 50mi? Incredible work ethic, and congrats on the PB in Chicago!
There is a balance between maintaining pop, muscle tension, and lowering mileage. If you reduce the percentage too much it could leave him feeling more flat and less “fast”. He and his coach definitely know that percentage for his body and it’s a fine line between freshening up and staying sharp. I run very similar mileage to Reed and I can say that an 80mile week feels very refreshing after lots of 100+.
@bclassey1 cool! Thanks for the insight. I’ve heard about and experienced feeling flat during a taper, just curious if that actually influences the race performance in the end. The muscle tension thing makes sense to me
Hi Reed, judging by your time you must of been running close to Ruth Chepngetich !
must have*
@@Alegria.kshut up nerd
He is 11th overall, ruth is 9th
You can see him on the stream shortly after her crossing the finish line
😂 😅my trainingbuddy was running 2.07.44 in his Debut
Savage 🔥
Congratulations, Reed!
I also finished Chicago and am considering another race which would be in 12 weeks (12 weeks after 1 week of recovery post-Chicago)… I was wondering what your thoughts are about that sort of timing (I.e., running 2 marathons 13 weeks apart)? Looks like your training is done over 12 weeks and I’m sure that’s because your base fitness is always pretty high… For context, Chicago was my 5th marathon, my PR is 3:15 on a rolling hills course (Carlsbad), I’m 45-49 AG masters runner with previous peak mileage of 6 weeks of 70 miles (for Chicago I averaged 65 miles/week in the month of September)…
Any insights would be appreciated!
Congratulations on your PR again!!
When's your deadline to register for race #2? I think it's important to listen to the body coming off a marathon. Sometimes I feel recharged and ready to get back to training after 7-14 days of rest, other times it's closer to a month before I feel the 'itch' again. 13 weeks is definitely doable, but it's got to be something you're physically and mentally looking forward to. With that said, maybe see how you're feeling end of this week and then register if you feel excited about it.
Thanks so much, Reed! Deadline to register is in 4 weeks so no rush! I did a 12 mile “long run” yesterday, which was 7 days after Chicago… I’m absolutely waiting to see how this week (and possibly next one) goes… I’ve started training today, but consider it still a semi-recovery week… Yes, have to listen to the body!!👍👍
Hi Reed, I recently ran my first half marathon after roughly a year of consistent training. I walked away with a 1:23. That being said I’m not sure where to go next. Do you think it’s possible for me to enter a marathon training block with the intent of running sub 3, or should I continue to try to master the middle distance? Congratulations, you are truly world class.
Great running. The closer you can get to 1.20 the more chance you have of sub 3. Especially with only a year in your legs.
Hey all, I’m curious on your take regarding cutting out weights during the taper?
I recently saw a clip where the strength coach for Mantz and Young has them lift all the way up until their race. I feel like the classic strategy involves cutting weights two weeks out/whenever you begin to taper. Would love to hear thoughts on this as I gear up for my D1 conference and regional races!
I've done both, and I think it's all about finding what works for you. I'm not a strength coach, and I won't pretend to be. I'd recommend asking your strength staff for their thoughts on the two options. I've found for me personally I either need to back off the weights or do fewer reps of heavier, more explosive exercises if I'm going to keep lifting. Either one gives me some extra 'pop' and freshness. Soldiering on with my usual lifting usually leaves me feeling a bit flat.
@@reedfischer1894 Got it. Thank you!
congratulations for Chicago! Whats the tin man principle for using plated shoes? when do you use them = when dont you use them?
Hey Craig, good question. Most of the team wears plated shoes for our hard workout days but sticks in unplated shoes for the rest of our training. I'd say we're wearing something with a plate for ~10-15% of our weekly volume.
@reedfischer1894 thank you for taking the time to answer my question - I have been impressed with your humility over the years and have enjoyed your ascent to the outstanding runner that you have become
Sometimes it even makes sense to only half or a few reps of a workout in carbon plated shoes.
I really, really like your coach! She seems like quite an interesting personality and probably makes running fun!
Thank you for the knowledge sir, can you please tell me what your average mile pace was over your entire 12 week buildup?
I thought reed is going to talk about the evos
Mini review: they're something special.
How do you time a taper? Like schedule of workouts in relation to your race day as well as intensity
I typically start my taper three weeks out from race day. In those last three weeks I'll do one 'longer' run of about 90% of my peak long run, then one medium long run of about 70% of my peak long run, and then some shorter, faster workouts than usual. Like 6xMile at threshold to 10K effort as opposed to 8-10xMile at tempo to threshold effort. The biggest goals of the taper (in my opinion) is to remove the fatigue that's been living in your legs for the past month+, run some faster stuff to feel sharp and poppy, and give your mind some extra time and energy to focus on the race.
All that work and still got chicked. She is amazing.
95 mile in week 1? Was week 0 after a 1 week break or something?
Actually, on screen it showed a week of 70s before 95 mile week…
I’m sure that when he’s taking a “break” he’s still running 60-70 miles per week…
@@DrProfX probably
Yes, before starting the 'official' marathon buildup I'm often running 70 mile weeks. That's about 60% of my peak volume, so for someone who tops out at 50-60 miles/week in their marathon build (plenty for most experienced runners) that's equivalent to running about 30 miles for 'week 0'
@@reedfischer1894 glad to hear there was something before week 0! Otherwise would’ve been a little concerning haha
Great video. Only critique is 2:48 the past participle of run is run. *I have run. Running verb usage is important.
Your life must suck 😂
Why run such high mileage during the taper, especially the last week of the taper? Why not be even more fresh for the marathon by cutting mileage more significantly?
Probably 26.2 of that 80 miles are the marathon itself which means he cut the mileage down with about 50%
^exactly. If you cut the percentage down too much it can leave you feeling flat and the tension in your muscles can dissipate. I run almost the exact mileage he does and if I drop to say, 40-50miles(total) on race week I would feel worse.
It’s also about keeping routine. You have 3 elements - frequency, intensity, and duration - and reducing more than one of these can throw your body out of its cycle that it’s been in, and this lack of rhythm can make it the lead up even worse
@@TumoRuns I agree 100%. The athlete’s mindset and routine being disrupted can outweigh any extra “recovery” that might occur with less mileage.
These guys nailed it^
At a certain point, I feel objectively worse mentally and physically when I run less volume. I've found that getting out the door and running for about an hour each day during race week is enough that I feel fresh, but not so little that my body and mind go haywire because they're missing the stimulus of training. And to Joakim's point, that last week includes a 28 mile day with a short warmup and the race itself which inflates the week quite a bit.
What's the matter you're not faster than a little girl yet, there's a little girl that's faster than you.