LIVE REACTION: Johnny Depp V Amber Heard - Day 24 | Closing Arguments PART 2

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  • @michelegill5626
    @michelegill5626 Рік тому +111

    How can texts he sent to friends, (NOT to Amber), be construed as abuse to Amber? They weren't sent to her...

    • @rockforester7908
      @rockforester7908 Рік тому +10

      The point was to attempt to demonstrate that Depp had it in him to use such language about her whether he sent them directly to her or not. They are attempting to demean his character.

    • @juliawilly9151
      @juliawilly9151 Рік тому +7

      So fucking what? I didn’t think anything except that his description of her was on point!

    • @jsthecat
      @jsthecat Рік тому +5

      It's funny that we hardly saw any txt from AH, she only handed in txt that 'supported' her argument JD handed everything over so we saw/heard some unpalatable txts. Noone ever sent a horrible txt expressing anger over someone to a friend. PLEASE

    • @carolynstamp6238
      @carolynstamp6238 Рік тому +5

      And I think we’ve all sent questionable texts at one point or another. My brother when he went through his divorce would have sent some to me to vent. Doesn’t necessarily mean you’d act on it.

    • @A358M
      @A358M Рік тому

      @Yuna what??! Why didn't Johnny's team bring it up before the jury?

  • @j.c.7555
    @j.c.7555 Рік тому +77

    I’m still upset that Jennifer Howell email was not put into evidence….it was so telling!

    • @deborahmcgee7970
      @deborahmcgee7970 Рік тому +1

      They didn’t why and they also cut her Statement do you know why

    • @ak203
      @ak203 Рік тому +1

      it's called negligence. also, the mess with Waldman was the Pro Bowl of negligence on both sides. Neither lawyer had the slightest clue of attorney-client privilege, but since Heard needed it most, he negligence was awful. Waldman had to answer 80% of the questions he refused to answer, but the lawyers had zero idea of what they were talking about.

    • @deborahmcgee7970
      @deborahmcgee7970 Рік тому

      @@RareInTheHistory 🙏🙏🙏🙏

    • @javieratoledo9262
      @javieratoledo9262 Рік тому

      Because it’s like double hearsay… her story to this case is that Amber told Withney that told her… And she then accused Musk. Total nutcase in my opinion

    • @deborahmcgee7970
      @deborahmcgee7970 Рік тому

      @@ak203 maybe it would have been better if he said nothing even though I don’t know what he said 🤷‍♀️

  • @reginacano-gonzales9207
    @reginacano-gonzales9207 Рік тому +28

    the problem is her witnesses DID NOT tell the same stories

  • @kolle128
    @kolle128 Рік тому +24

    I don't buy the verbal abuse or destroying property is abuse. It might be right, but that is not what Amber accused Johnny of, so that is not what she has to proove.

    • @tammyh.5258
      @tammyh.5258 Рік тому +1

      It was his property to destroy mostly. The property that wasn't his, I'm sure he compensated very well and paid to have it cleaned as well.

    • @bewilderedcat2536
      @bewilderedcat2536 Рік тому +4

      I have absolutely seen property damage as a way to coerce their partner which is domestic abuse. I don’t believe that it applies in this case.

    • @Tammy-bb8xp
      @Tammy-bb8xp Рік тому

      @@bewilderedcat2536 yep , it’s contextual. His was reactive , not designed to intimidate . It’s so unfair how she has treated him & weaponised his only ways of self defence

  • @BrainNomad
    @BrainNomad Рік тому +10

    I would rather she read and keep it organized than forget and regret not qualifying and bringing it all home for Mr. DEPP. overall Ms Camille is excellent

  • @missjih2563
    @missjih2563 Рік тому +30

    2 points.
    1. As a woman, I had no problem hearing Ben argue the Me Too part, I didn't even think about it from your perspective when I saw it the first time without comments. I thought it had a nice effect tbh and to me personally, it wouldn't have made a difference which one of them did it. It was clear enough that Camille supports him.
    2. I really didn't mind Camille reading from the paper like that, it was structured and very clear, unlike AH's Team, which just kept rambling without a clear theme and in the end it was just a mess, especially with the time constraint, it just felt stressed on AH's team's part 🤷‍♀️

    • @lenemostert9849
      @lenemostert9849 Рік тому +3

      I don’t mind reading either! Camille was on fire!

    • @_s_4412
      @_s_4412 Рік тому +1

      Found Rottenborn's to be the strongest.

    • @missjih2563
      @missjih2563 Рік тому +2

      @@_s_4412 Rottenborn was 100 times better than Elaine, but I didn't like how he tried to change the narrative and confuse the judges with all of his "every sort of abuse counts" when it's the Op-Ed that counts, in which sexual and physical assault is that which she accuses him of. Not just verbal abuse, SEXUAL ABUSE. We've all said shitty things in our lives, and yes, Johnny is not a Saint, but still, the scope of the accusation is so much more than verbal abuse and psychological abuse. And the argument of the first amendment is also bullshit, since it doesn't protect people spreading lies about other people.

  • @lynnmead3478
    @lynnmead3478 Рік тому +29

    Observation: 6 yrs to the day of the divorced, 6 weeks of testimony and AH Team had 6 minutes left at break. Also the "Amber" Alert/Tornado siren. Very odd.....

    • @1970karenleah
      @1970karenleah Рік тому +3

      Weird!! And it's Lily Depps birthday 🎂 🥳 🎉 🎈 May 27

    • @twinky4839
      @twinky4839 Рік тому +4

      That is 666

    • @MauiBodyworker
      @MauiBodyworker Рік тому

      Interesting.

    • @stellabythesea1492
      @stellabythesea1492 Рік тому

      @@twinky4839 😂

    • @limapodima7534
      @limapodima7534 Рік тому

      This has been a great distraction from what is going on in the world. The truth is that so many things are in fact Scripture related. Johnny is an atheist. This is for all of the wrong reasons. He made the choice based on his uncle being worshipped by his parishioners who literally kissed his shoes in church. Johnny hated it and so did God! Satan loved it. This is what Satan wanted for himself. God said no. Satan refused to look after mankind, to be humble to not be worshipped. God is the only One to be worshipped! Further proof that Jesus is God bc He allowed man to worship Him on earth 🌍🤗no one has ever explained the truth of this to Johnny. Please pray for Johnny. That his heart will soften for the truth. And please soften your own heart and pray for Amber too. She surly needs prayers too! God bless you all in Jesus name, Amen 🙏

  • @ruthiepooh86
    @ruthiepooh86 Рік тому +57

    AH showed more sadness when she heard the talent agent talking about her lack of Hollywood mojo than about her alleged abuse.

    • @rockforester7908
      @rockforester7908 Рік тому +5

      Agreed.

    • @rosestewart1606
      @rosestewart1606 Рік тому +8

      it makes sense though. All of this was about becoming popular in Hollywood. And since he wasn't going to be with her anymore, she had to become famous without him. Alas, it wasn't enough

    • @annikajohansson9171
      @annikajohansson9171 Рік тому +4

      Of course, her image has been her primary motive thru this whole thing and the lies.

    • @68jardog
      @68jardog Рік тому +2

      @@annikajohansson9171 and, ironically, she has destroyed her own career & basically her own name.

    • @annikajohansson9171
      @annikajohansson9171 Рік тому +1

      @@68jardog that what happens when pride gets the best of you

  • @Connie854
    @Connie854 Рік тому +40

    amber likes to take notes, makes her feel like she's a lawyer rather than a liar,

  • @sharonlewis6258
    @sharonlewis6258 Рік тому +20

    I watched this entire trial. If there's an appeal, I'm not going through it again. LOL

    • @Marlau58
      @Marlau58 Рік тому +1

      🤣😂🤣

    • @mariamaria2751
      @mariamaria2751 Рік тому +1

      Shes going to lose , , if they make her pay money, she's going to appeal no doubt

    • @MauiBodyworker
      @MauiBodyworker Рік тому +1

      Me neither.

  • @margaretcoan1643
    @margaretcoan1643 Рік тому +30

    I wonder if she is reading it to make sure she says everything that needs to be said. Also, she must be very nervous given the attention and the position she is in. I THINK SHE IS AN AMAZING EXAMPLE FOR ALL WOMAN. GO CAMILLE.

    • @Hursey97
      @Hursey97 Рік тому +5

      Agreed! This is such a big case with so much at stake AND televised. I would want a script to refer to when the nerves got the best of me. GO CAMILLE!

  • @DebbbieK1970
    @DebbbieK1970 Рік тому +85

    Haven’t watched the stream yet. But have seen part of Camille’s closing. In my opinion, Camille nailed it! If a man was heard saying, “I slapped you. I didn’t punch you”, women would be up in arms. Well, it should go both ways. #justiceforjohnny! After hearing her closing how could you come to any other conclusion!

    • @marilyn3911
      @marilyn3911 Рік тому

      Are johnny and Amber able to read media now?

    • @edsherwood2173
      @edsherwood2173 Рік тому +8

      @@marilyn3911 I can guarantee they’ve been the whole time, amber definitely has

    • @BurroGirl
      @BurroGirl Рік тому +1

      @@marilyn3911 only the jury is forbidden, not the parties¹

    • @shakiratsaka9566
      @shakiratsaka9566 Рік тому

      @@edsherwood2173 Bc lol
      Lblp
      Lbl

  • @toniedinger3243
    @toniedinger3243 Рік тому +11

    2 cases in news recently about microwaved babies. Ohio and UK. She uses everybody elses stories. ie The Bottle and her assistant

  • @ms_mamasaurus
    @ms_mamasaurus Рік тому +21

    I actually like the structured reading much more then the off cuff, at least with these 2 examples.

    • @tammyh.5258
      @tammyh.5258 Рік тому +2

      Yes and at least Camille was on track and made sense where as the other one was all over the place!😂🤣 IMHO

  • @dmtt9682
    @dmtt9682 Рік тому +25

    I’ve been hearing across the Internet that neither should be rewarded anything because they both we’re verbally abusive to each other. Although I agree they we’re both verbally abusive.. This is a happening because she said that she was not only physically abuse but sexually assaulted her as well and has not been able to prove either. And these allegations has affected his career tremendously. So I do believe he should be rewarded and I hope he wins this case.

    • @rockforester7908
      @rockforester7908 Рік тому +2

      The claim she made in her oped was that he was a wife beater. Verbal abuse has little influence in this trial.

    • @dmtt9682
      @dmtt9682 Рік тому +4

      @@rockforester7908 I agree neither does all these allegations about him being a drug abuser. Being a drug abuser does not make him guilty of physical violence. If anything marijuana makes you more calm.

  • @webexpertcharlie
    @webexpertcharlie Рік тому +88

    If Heard’s lawyers thought she was telling the truth, their entire closing arguments would have detailed the horrific abuse. Instead, they talked about everything else.

    • @sharonlewis6258
      @sharonlewis6258 Рік тому +7

      I think her lawyers know that she was lying.

    • @rockforester7908
      @rockforester7908 Рік тому +5

      Respectfully, discussing the ugly details of abuse is the worst possible tactic her team could’ve implemented to help their client. Discussing the weather would’ve been more helpful to her case than discussing the “violence” that clearly the majority of everyone, including reportedly the jury, wasn’mt buying for 1 second.

    • @giaatta9303
      @giaatta9303 Рік тому +1

      Thanks. Great point. I needed to read that

    • @peabea3370
      @peabea3370 Рік тому +4

      Not really, because the case hinges on her op ed for the Washington Post. This is not a criminal trial where she is alleging abuse, and any alleged abuse is he said-she said. You can see how people on social media are reacting to her claims, even with photographic evidence and witness testimony. The op ed was relatively innocuous and he has very little grounds for his claims. It was smart for her team to approach closing statements the way they did.

    • @Williamb612
      @Williamb612 Рік тому

      and optics they took sexual abuse of the table, never mentioned it yesterday or today, because they knew AH allegations were actually physically impossible

  • @aphexlane
    @aphexlane Рік тому +6

    Although she was reading from something it was so captivating and genuine I didn't even notice she was reading from something at first

  • @kolle128
    @kolle128 Рік тому +21

    In addition to the damages I would also award the divorce money to Johnny, so that It could finally find its way to the selected charities.

    • @rockforester7908
      @rockforester7908 Рік тому +1

      That isn’t allowable.

    • @Bob-jm8kl
      @Bob-jm8kl Рік тому

      @@rockforester7908 What's not allowable? The jury can determine what dollar amount will make him whole. They just couldn't stipulate that any of it be donated to charity. Honestly I think he would turn around and donate $7MM to charity, well to the CHLA anyway. Screw the ACLU.

    • @kaileim970
      @kaileim970 Рік тому

      I don't think he will donate to the ACLU tho. They have not been nice to him--they participated in the OpEd...

  • @nancylpr
    @nancylpr Рік тому +7

    The first amendment doesn’t give you the right to lie about another persons deeds.

  • @deidreholladay7778
    @deidreholladay7778 Рік тому +16

    It felt like Elaine spoke at the jury instead of to them and it was just going in one ear and out the other.

    • @sharonlewis6258
      @sharonlewis6258 Рік тому +2

      Everything Elaine said was Amber instead of Johnny.

  • @deidreholladay7778
    @deidreholladay7778 Рік тому +9

    No one thought AH wasn't wearing makeup on the stand when she didn't wear mascara. We just knew she planned to cry those days

  • @judyjetson2706
    @judyjetson2706 Рік тому +7

    I clapped without thought after CV finished the rebuttal. Should have played the audio of AH laughing hysterically at the end and ask is this person scared?

    • @ldolan4051
      @ldolan4051 Рік тому +1

      You are so right. That recording is a tell- all. I think tapes/recordings were not allowed in that part.

  • @jonijohnsoncountrygirl7176
    @jonijohnsoncountrygirl7176 Рік тому +2

    They admitted they were not friends, ON THE STAND

  • @keatsgipsy9991
    @keatsgipsy9991 Рік тому +7

    I see your valid point about Eilean. I learned from her that your voice and personality can really affect how the audience accepts statements.

  • @MrMattie725
    @MrMattie725 Рік тому +12

    At this point, I would think the only goal of the counter claim was to have the last word. Both in their cases and the closing arguments.

    • @bo7341
      @bo7341 Рік тому

      If I'm not mistaken, a counterclaim is basically the standard procedure (possibly for this reason), a bit like an initial not guilty plea.

  • @Nurturing2
    @Nurturing2 Рік тому +22

    I have great compassion for JD. To sit there and listen to lies and have your character defamed all over again is triggering. God bless his soul. May justice prevail! 🙏😇

    • @anadolorify
      @anadolorify Рік тому

      Justice for Depp would probably involve prison time for multiple felony assaults.

    • @walkyourdog6584
      @walkyourdog6584 Рік тому +3

      JD is representing all of us who have been falsely accused. This case is so important for me because I was accused , arrested, and convicted of a crime that did not even occur. It was hard to swallow. I lost my home and my job and still cannot heal from the trauma. This trial has been cathartic, and I am so proud of JD for stepping forward.

    • @anadolorify
      @anadolorify Рік тому

      @@walkyourdog6584 Except Depp is an abuser with substance issues who talks about wanting to r*pe his wife's corpse.
      Whitney Henriquez
      Melanie Ingessis
      Elizabeth Marz
      lo Tillett Wright
      Joshua Drew
      Raquel Pennington
      Saw injuries and Lo Tillett Wright heard Depp scream he wanted to peel Amber's hair back. And he pulled out clumps of her hair.
      If you've been falsely accused I'm sorry but aligning yourself with someone accurately accused of emotional and physical abuse is probably a bad idea.

    • @walkyourdog6584
      @walkyourdog6584 Рік тому +3

      @@anadolorify I think there is a lot more evidence that Heard abused Depp then the other way round. Depp has been in a number of relationships. Abusers are almost always serial, so why aren't the other women coming forward? He is jealous on occasion but Heard is more so, and more violent.

  • @argoneonoble
    @argoneonoble Рік тому +4

    If my character were being ripped apart and every word I said being declared a lie asCamiloe Vasquez is doing to Miss Heard, I'd either be silently crying or sitting shrunken and completely frozen.

  • @katiejensen9509
    @katiejensen9509 Рік тому +3

    Your Law Firm, lost me at when your Dad criticized Camille Vasquez for reading her closing. Over and Out!!!!

    • @lenemostert9849
      @lenemostert9849 Рік тому

      Go listen to Nick Rekieta he says it’s fine to read arguments especially if you have a podium in front of you! He and all the layers on his panel yesterday praised Camille the way she deserves it! 🥂

  • @joyrees7966
    @joyrees7966 Рік тому +8

    I also believe Johnny's attorneys did a better job in closing

  • @margaretcoan1643
    @margaretcoan1643 Рік тому +53

    Mr Tragos and Peter thank you both so much for all your analysis in helping us all understand this trial from a legal perspective and also i respectful perspective. You both give me faith that not all lawyers are corrupt and some like the two of you really care about finding THE TRUTH as best you can. So grateful to both of you,..

    • @rockforester7908
      @rockforester7908 Рік тому +2

      Agreed.

    • @MontanaParra1
      @MontanaParra1 Рік тому

      Yes, always great educated answers. Thank you!

    • @BrigitteGoodman
      @BrigitteGoodman Рік тому

      You are not corrupt when you help your client to win despite knowing he/she is guilty. That is your job. Getting paid for your job is not being corrupt. You mix lawyers with judges. Judges have to be neutral, lawyers MUST be on their client's side. Pls do not make such stupid remarks.

    • @margaretcoan1643
      @margaretcoan1643 Рік тому +1

      @@BrigitteGoodman
      I respectfully disagree. I believe true justice seeks Truth. If I was a lawyer I would never defend someone I knew was guilty. To me that seems unlawful.

  • @nisahmed9121
    @nisahmed9121 Рік тому +7

    An earlier point when Jonny pointed that he helped his ex wife get the role in aqua man is not misogynist , he only brought it up because she accused him of not wanting her to work . He was loving to her leaving immediately after an exhausting concert in order for her to audition . He even risked his name participating in another poor film of her to give the film more value. He was protective of her even when she chopped his finger humoring the children of hospital that he was hungry and ate it. Even in this trial he was kind to Whitney though she stabbed him in the back with all the other amber gang who were like a parasites on his generosity

    • @RichardRamirez1st
      @RichardRamirez1st Рік тому +1

      Dude theres evidence he tried to get her fired

    • @vonbonbonjager
      @vonbonbonjager Рік тому

      @@RichardRamirez1st Where?

    • @nisahmed9121
      @nisahmed9121 Рік тому

      @@RichardRamirez1st she accused him when he was married to her that he was jealous and didn’t want her to participate in any films but he revealed that she asked him to use his connections at Warner brothers to get her the role in aqua man and he did he named in his testimony 3 executives of Warner brothers that he contacted to hep her get the role

  • @skipd9164
    @skipd9164 Рік тому +9

    There are so many parts of this case to point out. In my eyes when everyone on her side gave different views on incidents. AH also tried adding and changing parts of accusations. 6 weeks and you don't think it would be hard to hit all lies

  • @lindamontemarano3638
    @lindamontemarano3638 Рік тому +6

    Your voice & Peter's are so similiar. Love to see a father & son working together

  • @mayorona1017
    @mayorona1017 Рік тому +5

    No, most of those people said they were no longer friends. If they are, they want to share in the money if she wins.

  • @Mercurychyld1
    @Mercurychyld1 Рік тому +4

    She CAN’T cry ‘when she’s acting’ as her former acting coach from Australia said. So, what does THAT tell people? 🤔

  • @shadesofgray5476
    @shadesofgray5476 Рік тому +22

    In a college class i took one time we were given an issue and we had to take turns arguing each side. The issue had a very distasteful side to me but somehow we had overcome our personal ideas and argue wholeheartedly. It was an interesting experience. I think that’s what lawyers have to do. Everybody deserves a great defense or offense.

    • @skipd9164
      @skipd9164 Рік тому +1

      When I was a teenager. My friends and I talked about issues I always represented the opposing view. Even if it wasn't my view and I told them there should always be both sides

    • @walkyourdog6584
      @walkyourdog6584 Рік тому +2

      I was thinking the exact thing today. I am in Depp's camp but have a close friend who totally believes Amber.

    • @julielea5268
      @julielea5268 Рік тому +1

      I don't agree with all the withholding evidence... I see Peter, who seems REALLY good, making wrong assumptions, drawing wrong conclusions, & just thinking lies are facts because he's going on the evidence presented, he has no idea of ALL the facts.
      The jury could rule one way, then listen to the full audios & hear AH admitting to things they didn't know & think completely different!❤❤

  • @pop6997
    @pop6997 Рік тому +9

    Poor Rottonberg must have been wearing a jacket of sticky notes today 👀

  • @reginacano-gonzales9207
    @reginacano-gonzales9207 Рік тому +7

    The last lawyer tried, on the surface he was good. but below the surface he's got nothing but a liar. he shouldn't have reminded them of her on the stand.

  • @mandymoore5774
    @mandymoore5774 Рік тому +5

    “Words matter” than she says “Mr Depps texts were some very vivid language”. She shouldn’t have said the first part of that statement following it up w the ending of the statement as back to back as she did. I’m all for Depp in this situation, however his lawyer shouldn’t have made those 2 points so close together is all.
    Shes not going to cry! She hasn’t cried ONCE! She’s definitely wrinkled up her face ridiculously enough in attempt to squeeze out a single tear but it’s never actually happened!

  • @ldolan4051
    @ldolan4051 Рік тому +4

    Even in Breaderhof ty to the Judge, she forgot her mic' again!
    Judge made excellent decisions from time-capsule to announcement @ the top of the hour; a big thanks and respect from here🤝. Kudos to the court reporter; seems like the patience of a saint in an overlooked position. I👏 too.

  • @lenemostert9849
    @lenemostert9849 Рік тому +2

    Nick Rekieta said it’s fine to read when you’re behind a podium. It just looks bad when you don’t have a podium in front of you and I agree.

  • @grama9094
    @grama9094 Рік тому +24

    Amber lied! Justice for Johnny Depp!

  • @lynmar77
    @lynmar77 Рік тому +11

    Elaine lost my attention. If I represent jury I would have shut her out because I skipped through half her closing because lucky me- I could!

    • @lynmar77
      @lynmar77 Рік тому

      I do admire the Judge.

    • @lynmar77
      @lynmar77 Рік тому +2

      They, Heards friends, corroborated because to do otherwise would be to admit they too perjured themselves. I am not a legal eagle but I can see why they would continue to perpetuate the lie after providing depositions in UK trial. Lying in US their own country would make anyone have second thoughts. They probably thought the divorce would be the end of their involvement but it escalated to this trial.

    • @Jacksonvilleplanespotting2
      @Jacksonvilleplanespotting2 Рік тому

      Was she convincing?

  • @reneebarger5194
    @reneebarger5194 Рік тому +37

    What has been revealed throughout this painful trial is that AH had different expectations from the relationship than JD. AH expected that she had hooked a wealthy actor that could not only give her & her “crew” money, drugs, & fame but perverse sexual satisfaction. She expected he would respond to expanded S&M & her role as the dominant person. He had an opposite response & he withdrew, rejected her. Now he must be punished.

    • @AmeerulZ99
      @AmeerulZ99 Рік тому

      who's punished

    • @testboga5991
      @testboga5991 Рік тому

      Dude...

    • @billydouglas1878
      @billydouglas1878 Рік тому +12

      @@AmeerulZ99 I think he is commenting on ambers perspective. Since she didn’t get what she wanted from him and he left, she feels he has to suffer because of it

    • @loislewis5229
      @loislewis5229 Рік тому +4

      @@billydouglas1878 that’s EXACTLY what I got out of this case!

    • @rockforester7908
      @rockforester7908 Рік тому +6

      Like all victims of childhood abuse Amber was trying to reinact her childhood trauma in an unconcious attempt to resolve it/fix it/work it out. JD was not not up for this & the accompanying chaos. It never works. That he wouldn’t play along was the true basis for her discontent with him.

  • @rockforester7908
    @rockforester7908 Рік тому +10

    It’s awfully nice to have you alone to ourselves & the benefit of your profound experience in a case like this. You look great on camera.

  • @BurroGirl
    @BurroGirl Рік тому +4

    How is it that AH got away with not turning her devices over??? Were they subpoenaed?

    • @BurroGirl
      @BurroGirl Рік тому

      @@KactusKM yes no doubt imo that's why she didn't. But how was it allowed? 🤔

    • @BurroGirl
      @BurroGirl Рік тому

      @@KactusKM not as far as I remember. I don't think that info was allowed to come in.

  • @HeavySmoker22
    @HeavySmoker22 Рік тому +1

    To expect that jurors are not going to be exposed, whether intentional or not, to outside influence from social or other media is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard about jury trials.

  • @willygonutz9687
    @willygonutz9687 Рік тому +4

    I heard JD raise his voice once or twice in the recordings during the trial, and I heard AH sounding 'distressed' once.
    What I DIDN'T hear, was JD raising his voice CAUSING AH to cry, or get upset, or get scared or distressed in any way.
    The times when JD became loud, AH was louder, nastier, and more confrontational.
    Alternately, the times AH became distressed, JD was calmly talking, saying he wanted to leave, or "let's stop and talk again in the morning", etc, etc.
    You can't take the RESULT of one argument (AH becoming distressed), and confuse it with the EVENTS of a different argument (one where JD raised his voice).
    She was NEVER scared or intimidated by JD in ANY of the arguments they had, quite the opposite, she was provocative and confrontational.
    This is probably a poor analogy but ......
    If a couple have the type of 'intimate' relationship where they engage in acts that require a 'safe word' (what could be called an extreme physical encounter).
    Then if they BOTH agree, that's not abuse.
    However, if one partner isn't 'in the mood' and the other partner insists, that IS abuse.
    Even though it is the same two people engaging in acts that they both may have willingly engaged in at other times.
    Likewise, if your partner calls you a:
    "old f#*king, washed up, fat piece of sh!t, etc, etc".
    And you retaliate:
    "You're a dirty f#*king, no good stinking whore, etc, etc"
    (what could be called an extreme verbal encounter).
    That also is NOT abuse, because BOTH parties have decided to throw reason out the window, and instead unload on each other and let off some steam.
    It CANNOT be abuse if both parties are willingly participating.
    (You may tell them that "This doesn't solve anything", etc, etc, ... but, at the end of the day, it's THEIR relationship and if that's what they BOTH want to do, then it's nobodies business but theirs).
    Abuse is when ONE party forces the other party to participate in something (physical or verbal) that they don't want to be part of.
    And from what I've seen in this trial, it was AH who constantly forced JD into arguments he did not want to be part of.
    THAT is abuse.
    My concern is that the jury may, incorrectly, make a correlation between the OUTCOME of one confrontation (AH crying), and the events of a different confrontation (one where JD raised his voice), and conclude that JD was abusive.
    If AH isn't made accountable for ALL her perjury and sent to jail, it will be a travesty of justice..

    • @68jardog
      @68jardog Рік тому +2

      I AGREE! I wish his lawyers would have pointed this out more often ( but they are absolute rock stars-dont get. me wrong). You don't goad your abuser.. you walk on eggshells & feel relief when they are not around. This whole "that's opiate, Johnny, that's speed Johnny.. I've learned to see the cycles". That just sounds ridiculous! Do they each come with different types of abuse?
      One more thought, if she's so worried & frantic to get ahold of him because she's worried he's going to"use", wouldn't you send someone else to find/stop him? Not like there weren't a myriad of staff & friends around.

    • @Tammy-bb8xp
      @Tammy-bb8xp Рік тому +1

      YES!

  • @virginiaryno2631
    @virginiaryno2631 Рік тому +47

    So what's wrong with her making sure she doesn't forget her point. I don't see anything wrong with Camille reading. She knows the case like the back of her hand. You know it and we know it.

    • @rockforester7908
      @rockforester7908 Рік тому

      Then she could’ve used bullet points only. This was the most important moment in this trial. A lawyer this good can read her closing statement if she wants in my book.

    • @rosesarered3904
      @rosesarered3904 Рік тому +11

      It helps her track time too unlike Elaine waisting time for rambling all over the place.

    • @raqueladauto7309
      @raqueladauto7309 Рік тому +5

      I get peter’s point, BUT I do agree in THIS case, it was definitely needed. Was so clean. Vs Elaine…she was a pure train wreck and all over the place.

    • @arnaudmoret2006
      @arnaudmoret2006 Рік тому +3

      I am sure JDs team have weighted up reading vs not reading. They must have thought it was worth it.

    • @lisaharris559
      @lisaharris559 Рік тому

      Peter didn’t say there was anything wrong with it, he just prefers a different style!

  • @1970karenleah
    @1970karenleah Рік тому +5

    You and Dad have done a fantastic job 👏 👍

  • @Meloman0001
    @Meloman0001 Рік тому +4

    Thanks George (aka Papa Tragos) for answering questions. Well done.

  • @beckysteele8851
    @beckysteele8851 Рік тому +6

    Hopefully the jury will see the bruise kit in the photo where johnny has the spilled ice cream .

    • @rockforester7908
      @rockforester7908 Рік тому +1

      The jury has been well advised of her use of a bruise kit whether or not it’s shown in a photo.

    • @whitneynicole4748
      @whitneynicole4748 Рік тому +1

      It’s a mirror with stuff reflecting from it. I’m team Johnny by the way but it’s not a bruise kit.

    • @Tammy-bb8xp
      @Tammy-bb8xp Рік тому

      @@whitneynicole4748 stuff that happens to reflect the exact colours of a bruise kit after she mentioned bruise kit and her make up artist mentioned knowing how to make bruises when no one asked her about that?

    • @whitneynicole4748
      @whitneynicole4748 Рік тому

      @@Tammy-bb8xp well, no. It’s just a white,yellow and black reflection. You can see the plastic or lace that holds the mirror/box up. There’s a gold wrapper, napkin, plastic spoon/utensils, etc. It appears to be a fancy take out box or chocolates box. It’d be awesome if it really was a bruise kit but if you zoom, you can definitely see that it’s not. You don’t need one of those bruise kits anyway. You just need lipstick, eyeshadow, various pigments (cream and powder) I don’t have a bruise kit but I have lots of makeup I can use to create a bruise. I just zoomed in and looked at the photo closely and it’s obviously not a bruise kit. It wouldn’t stand on its side at a 60 degree angle, it would be laying flat because they are cheap plastic , flat palettes with clear lids. But you are free to believe what you want!

    • @Tammy-bb8xp
      @Tammy-bb8xp Рік тому +1

      @@whitneynicole4748 you made a fair point!

  • @s.cthegladiator3514
    @s.cthegladiator3514 Рік тому +7

    I see Johnny Depp frustration with Amber Heart because she is one woman that one can’t trust with her fellow woman neither men. He couldn’t leave her in a home without her inviting other men in his house.

  • @Bob-jm8kl
    @Bob-jm8kl Рік тому +2

    There are close up shots of Amber writing on her pad, and she's not writing anything at all, just moving her pen over the paper.

  • @mariasolfernandez326
    @mariasolfernandez326 Рік тому

    Thank you for your time Mr Tragos!

  • @ceciliaprice8446
    @ceciliaprice8446 Рік тому +1

    Hi! Thank you for filling in.

  • @kmeccat
    @kmeccat Рік тому +53

    I wonder if it's even POSSIBLE for Amber to not look like a nasty witch. She only has two looks-- pout or look haughty.

    • @bo7341
      @bo7341 Рік тому

      Still more facial expressions than Kristen Stewart.

    • @anadolorify
      @anadolorify Рік тому +1

      She's drop dead gorgeous even enduring the worst tragedy of her life.

    • @juliawilly9151
      @juliawilly9151 Рік тому

      No. She looks awful with those implants in her cheeks look like horns pushing out.

    • @javieratoledo9262
      @javieratoledo9262 Рік тому +1

      She’s gorgeous…

    • @AlexsiaStone
      @AlexsiaStone Рік тому

      😂😅 I agree OP

  • @gj5666
    @gj5666 Рік тому +6

    Thanking you so much for allowing us to be able to tap into your knowledge, skills and everything else ! Thank you !

  • @yakuonline
    @yakuonline Рік тому +2

    she's a walking red flag idk how she can call herself an abuse survivor whilst perpetrating abuse herself!!!

  • @patriciaweighparks9347
    @patriciaweighparks9347 Рік тому +2

    Thank you posting I'm in the UK

  • @kathleenallen3989
    @kathleenallen3989 Рік тому

    Nice to meet you Mr. Tragos (Giant) thank you for your input, for JD all the way.

  • @raqueladauto7309
    @raqueladauto7309 Рік тому

    🙌🏼🙌🏼I love JB!… super cool to see you appear on WFLA! You did great as always. Ty to you and your dad for your great unbiased opinions and kindness always❤️❤️

  • @threeblessings575
    @threeblessings575 Рік тому +3

    Elaine didn't have as much evidence to recall as did Jonnys, so no need to read. Jd side had such an abundance of evidence and witnesses, impossible to recall it all without reading.

  • @celestejaurena4863
    @celestejaurena4863 Рік тому +5

    Me da mucha ternura que tu papá te acompañe en estos videos

  • @skipd9164
    @skipd9164 Рік тому +3

    How come witnesses couldn't get into explaining metadata. The fact her team and JDs team had to turn pics over in November. Her team turned them over weeks before trial. They were also told in the order to not have anyone verify except 3rd party. Ordered by court and they went against the ordered and ruined the metadata. Her team could of witness the process. They also turned thousands of pics

  • @gailolson8255
    @gailolson8255 Рік тому

    Enjoy the wisdom of both of you! Thanks for sharing your answers!

  • @kathleenallen3989
    @kathleenallen3989 Рік тому +2

    You and Peter have the same eyes and voice, love you guys. ✨Thank you! 🎊 Camille was awesome today as always. 💙

  • @pawsoffriendship5007
    @pawsoffriendship5007 Рік тому

    Always enjoy seeing Mr Tragos !!

  • @brasstacks7181
    @brasstacks7181 Рік тому +1

    I really enjoyed watching papa Tragos commentary and insight. Have to say I agree with you very much. Love the genuine and warm energy that both father and son emit, very refreshing to see in lawyers. Can say the same about Ben Chew and Camille Vasquez. Definately the kind of lawyers I would want representing me!
    Praying Johnny gets this win. He has clearly won in the court of public opinion and I know that is why he aired this case, but he also needs this win to SHUT Amber down permanently.
    P.S/ I did not like the reading of closing arguments as well, but even though Amber's lawyers did not read a script they still were not convincing because they greatly lacked FACTS & SOLID evidence.

  • @RichardRamirez1st
    @RichardRamirez1st Рік тому

    Wow refreshing to hear about loosing cases you thought u would win & vice versa you are an experienced and honest lawyer. Showing great wisdom.

  • @Kari.F.
    @Kari.F. Рік тому +2

    You can't prove a negative. And you can't defend yourself against an ongoing smear campaign from someone who is determined to ruin your entire life, because the law is on the side of the accuser. With no credible evidence on either side, your destroyer will win. The law is completely unreasonable in civil law, where you are guilty until you can do the (usually impossible) and prove a negative. It's a law that encourage narcissists to go on crusades against their victims, and that's a dangerous thing in my opinion.

  • @wolfman8449
    @wolfman8449 Рік тому +6

    dad and son talk so similar

  • @pennygrow4848
    @pennygrow4848 Рік тому +4

    Johnny Needs to win for all DV victims! Mentoo

  • @musicismagic3001
    @musicismagic3001 Рік тому

    Love, love, love your Dad so much! You are so fortunate to have such a loving father that provides such knowledgeable guidance. 💕

  • @annagervas9197
    @annagervas9197 Рік тому +2

    I was on a jury 2007? case lasted 5 days. v intense, Dr injects a young patient with stupiffing drug, x2, and SA'd young patient..was a retrial after more usable evidence. 14 jury sat the trial, 2 were picked (ballot) to leave the trial. I was one of those 2 and was so glad to get outta there! I waited 3 days, anxiously, for the verdict of guilty and celebrated

  • @jeanettesmith765
    @jeanettesmith765 Рік тому +2

    You guys are great! Thanks. I have learned so much.

  • @therealdeal3672
    @therealdeal3672 Рік тому +4

    To the lady lawyer concerned about her petite stature and being a defense attorney, made me think of legendary Leslie Abramson, she's a tiny powerhouse and one of the best defense lawyers ever. There should be plenty of role models if the viewer takes a look around.

    • @joandante3106
      @joandante3106 Рік тому +1

      I think it is Leslie Abramson you were referencing, but I do agree with your comment

    • @therealdeal3672
      @therealdeal3672 Рік тому

      @@joandante3106 oh dear! You're right! I need to fix that. Thank you.

  • @mzlil
    @mzlil Рік тому +10

    At this point, I don’t mind reading or not reading off a paper. I just want to hear which closing makes the most impact.
    Love your show though! You took me into this lawyer recap world.

  • @juliawilly9151
    @juliawilly9151 Рік тому +1

    You just never know what a jury will do, but a judge is worse.

  • @mariasolfernandez326
    @mariasolfernandez326 Рік тому +1

    Thank you !!

  • @jmmmm4010
    @jmmmm4010 Рік тому +2

    Has anybody noticed that her makeup as normally worn could be misconstrued as a “bruise” if photographed up close and on only one side? The photo she is calling a bruise could just be her normal makeup job, or a reaction to new makeup.

    • @sstorm1328
      @sstorm1328 Рік тому

      Excellent novel observation! If she wiped off make up on one side, the other would look pretty bruised .... Good call.

    • @lisaharris559
      @lisaharris559 Рік тому +1

      That’s what she’s been subliminally been representing to the jury since day one. The costumes and hairstyles are all out of a bad Lifetime movie.

  • @lorrainer9743
    @lorrainer9743 Рік тому +5

    Why are AH side keep using the video with JD breaking cabinets as abuse he's not abusing AH he's abusing the cabinets. I also think the texts are not abusive they're not to AH he was talking to a friend venting how can they use that against him?

  • @catzska
    @catzska Рік тому +4

    I hope this is ok to mention. Both you and your Dad are handsome, obviously intelligent men. I want to thank you both for teaching and helping me understand the law and so forth. I appreciate and enjoy learning. 💕✌🏻😋🙏🏻

  • @angeladiane5026
    @angeladiane5026 Рік тому

    The federal court in PR administers the bar exam for attorneys on the island.

  • @rscats67
    @rscats67 Рік тому +1

    PLEASE POST A LINK TO YOUR WFLA INTERVIEW! That would be so cool to see it!

  • @scottie2hot
    @scottie2hot Рік тому +22

    Im just wondering if Amber’s allegations of sexual abuse are true, why is she distancing herself from the title of the article? If he did sexual abuse her, then the title is justified. So her attempted dissociation from the title is telling.

    • @Goldrefinedthrufire
      @Goldrefinedthrufire Рік тому +2

      Exactly. Bc she's lying. Lies of this magnitude don't make sense.

    • @walkyourdog6584
      @walkyourdog6584 Рік тому +4

      I can believe he might of grabbed her, shook her, pushed her away. But I cannot believe he punched or slapped her or kicked her. Definitely not sexually attack her. Even wasted on alcohol or drugs, it seems very out of character. But maybe I am wrong.

    • @stellabythesea1492
      @stellabythesea1492 Рік тому +1

      If Amber is making this SA up then she is an evil cruel woman….which is what Johnny is saying right. It’s so mean it’s hard to believe. I’ve been praying God would shine the light and expose the lie. If she is lying then she has brought Me Too to its knees. We do need to believe that men can be abused.

  • @ritathomas5167
    @ritathomas5167 Рік тому

    You guys did an excellent job with this! I thoroughly enjoyed watching this trial with you. I am very satisfied with the verdict. I do, however, agree with you that Ms. Vasquez read far too much. I went to law school back in the Dark Ages, in the early '80's. In my Moot Court class, if we would have read our arguments like she did, I believe we would not only have flunked the course, but would have been made so much fun of and humiliated we wouldn't want to be seen around campus for awhile. Her arguments were solid, but I can't believe she is/was so inexperienced with the case that she couldn't loosen up a bit. Practice, practice, practice! Anyway, now I've got to go check out what other cases you guys are looking into. You have become a neat little corner of my days lately!

  • @dr.zacking2097
    @dr.zacking2097 Рік тому

    Thanks to you both for your time and expertise, have learned a lot...will watch more cases you discuss and examine, very enlightening and fascinating......wonder which way this will fall.....thanks guys 👍

  • @kace9075
    @kace9075 Рік тому

    You rock! It's a brilliant channel.

  • @Williamb612
    @Williamb612 Рік тому +4

    I feel JD should double up on his security and change all his locks going forward, perhaps double bolt them…he might find a rabbit boiling in a pot

    • @lisaharris559
      @lisaharris559 Рік тому

      Oh William I feel the same way! Amber is Fatal Attraction on steroids!

    • @Williamb612
      @Williamb612 Рік тому

      @@lisaharris559 Amber alert…🐰🔥

  • @SARLIN8
    @SARLIN8 Рік тому +4

    Thank you both for this review. All of the explanations helped me to understand the why’s and how’s of the procedure. Both of you have such inviting demeanor and friendly charm that it is a pleasure to watch. You would definitely be my choice of representatives. Love the father/son dynamics. Thank you 😊

  • @1elisemarie
    @1elisemarie Рік тому

    I love this. You are your dad. Face, energy, demeanor. Adorable!!

  • @puchielcagao7362
    @puchielcagao7362 Рік тому

    Interesting content, thank you!

  • @halimak625
    @halimak625 Рік тому +1

    Love the family qualities on this stream, good traditional family values have lots of respect for papa 🇬🇧👍

  • @Olechver
    @Olechver Рік тому

    Thank you!!!!

  • @dough556
    @dough556 Рік тому

    great job Pops

  • @stacykempfer9741
    @stacykempfer9741 Рік тому

    Love you hon……… but really love when your Dad gives input! 🥰

  • @ruthkilcullen1498
    @ruthkilcullen1498 Рік тому +4

    Is that actually admiration on Elaine's face?

  • @sharonlewis6258
    @sharonlewis6258 Рік тому +9

    When this is all over, I hope and pray that Johnny and Amber never write or post anything about each other again.

    • @Williamb612
      @Williamb612 Рік тому

      yes but there may be a bunny boiling in a pot

  • @JocelynBigras
    @JocelynBigras Рік тому

    They put the 2 alternates names in a envelope at the beginning and opened it at the end!