OH NO, HE'S BACK! - Shogun Episode 5 Reaction
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- Опубліковано 23 бер 2024
- Suzy & Steejo react to Shogun for the first time. Shōgun follows "the collision of two ambitious men from different worlds and a mysterious female samurai
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I actually think that "If you only care about freedom, you will never be free from yourself" is actually quite profound. Blackthorne himself is an example of this, until the end of this episode he has refused to see and adapt to the way the country he stays in functions, which results in death and suffering for many people around him. Freedom from yourself means freedom from egoism, which is a difficult freedom to strive for, but it is objectively very beneficial.
I think he’s just naive. For example, the Gardner situation. He didn’t know they would take his words seriously.
I joke that it was liking someone give you the "its not me, its you" breakup line but in the form of a poem.
Tbh I don't get it. If you live for freedom then you aren't free of yourself? I'm not sure what that means but I know for sure that Mariko isn't free because she's confined to the customs of her culture, not to say that she should leave it all behind as that would mean leaving her identity behind and that isn't easy but if she really wanted to maybe she could although shed need to leave Japan lol
@@Randomyoutubecommenterit comes down to purpose. Though I value the freedom in choosing my purpose, if I value freedom for freedom sake above all else, most who do fall to vices or selfishness, abandoning their unborn kid, for instance, like blackthorn. I’ve seen people become addicts when holding that value as well, certainly not free of oneself. I think both John and Mariko have a point, which is great writing, considering the opposite views
In the East, rulers shouldn't make jokes when making orders because not following orders could cause you executed. If a ruler made a joke, subordinates had no choice but to follow the order to the letters.
To my understanding, Fuji didn't protect the pheasant (like she had protected the safety of his guns) made her not fullfilling her duty and thus warranted death if Blackthorne wished so.
That shot of the arrows in the post, right after Buntaro blames his behavior on sake, is to remind us he hit that post while blitz-drunk, John needs to watch his back. Blaming sake as a bluff to see another day, he's fully in command of his own capacities
Being in command of your motor functions to an extent and/or having good hand eye coordination isn't the same as not being in control of your emotions. Not exactly one and the same. I've seen this comment being reposted everywhere and it makes little sense to me.
@@Mr.Hyde_23 The fact that everyone knows Buntaro is a prick, and his wife is afraid of him means it's not about the sake. He's deliberate, cruel and unloving when he's sober or drunk. It's weird to deny what was presented and obvious, after Buntaro's ominous look
@@tjkrueger2655 She's not afraid of him. She detests him for not allowing her to commit seppuku. Buntaro has a deep love for Mariko, which is why he doesn't permit her to unalive herself. Call it selfish if you want, but his dickish behavior is a result of her being cold and malicious towards him ever since what her father has done, in combination with the dishonor her family name has brought upon him and his line.
@@Mr.Hyde_23 her nervously telling John to choose his words carefully... her wincing when having to translate something that might set him off... no, she thinks he's a teddy bear
@@tjkrueger2655 Too much head canon to fit your narrative. There is not enough information yet to get a full picture, the scenes are vague and open to interpretation. Buntaro says he saved her life and expected her to be grateful but has been ice since day one and asking for death. Doesn’t sound like a prick thing to do.
Actually, what Mariko said about freedom and being free of yourself makes perfect sense. What do you know about Blackthorn at this point? He left his country and his family before his daughter was born. He is only happy while sailing and the way he is talking about it sounds almost like addiction. The way how he described his life in London during the scene with the hot spring. He is not free because he is constantly running away from something. And if you constantly running away from something it means there is something within you that prevents you from finding your peace. In this sense, he is not free from himself, from his fears, and his urges. On the contrary, Mariko probably makes deliberate choices within the borders that her social and cultural circle put on her. And about criticising things... well: a real understanding of the culture should always go before criticism, not the opposite. And to do so, you have to put aside your personal beliefs. The problem with Japanese culture is that people are used to the untrue, romanticized view of it while the reality was way more harsh and brutal as much as it was sophisticated and nuanced.
The gardener was in on it and happy to masquerade as the traitor in death because he was ill and it would give his death meaning.
If we didn't see the gardener die, he must still be alive 😂
Mariko didn't move because of two things, 1. She wants to die and 2. She knows her husband's skills and that he wouldn't kill her
Also Mariko never said that they would completely not talk to each other anymore. She said the only words they share are the words spoken by others that she needs to translate and that includes actions by others that he needs to know of.
I don't think Mariko moved because Buntaro doesn't merit the satisfaction of seeing her react to his attempt to terrorize her.
The great thing about this channel is that Suzy’s reactions so often match Blackthorns own bewilderment at foreign customs and ways of living lol
(Not a criticism, not saying I’m any different, genuinely fun)
It's not just "fancy words," if you only live for yourself then you are indeed a prisoner in a cell of your own making. If freedom is all Blackthorne ever seeks instead of taking any responsibility (he left his own family to sail the seas before his daughter was even born), that's not admirable at all. That's actually quite sad. Think homeless people, they're as free as a bird but not many people would trade places with them.
If a society does not function from a strict set of rules, then someone can live making stupid decisions that is committed out of too much freedom. That is what she is saying. One cannot be free from his undisciplined self if its freedom he only lives for.
I took it as “if you spend your whole life wanting freedom, you’ll miss all the good things you already have along the way.”
@@Neddoest thats also an eloquent way of looking at it. Thank you for sharing your take.
As for the issue of pheasant, the significance lies not in what was said, but in who said it.
every word uttered by a hatamoto (samurai) holds considerable power over vassals.
samurai is not jedi. we can't judge them by modern western humanism.
Words have weight.. the higher your standing/ status/ position in Japanese society of THAT ERA.. the more weight those words have.. to even question the orders of your lord/king/daimyo/hatamoto/samurai is to disrespect..belittle..lessen the status and honor of the one who said it... We may not agree with this.. but it's not our place to agree or disagree with it.. it was simply the reality. You could even say.. the words spoken on this episode weigh sooo much.. the gods felt it was strong enough to create an earth+shattering revelation to just how serious it was.. eh?
Anjin actually said if someone touch it …. dead so it’s was the final word from the master of the house
On the whole “you will never be free of yourself” argument, a few key points to remember why this works:
1. Blackthorne was a deadbeat dad. He literally left his children because, in his own words “the sea calls out to him, more the horizon than the deep”.
2. He says also that he serves no Lord, that he did that of his own volition.
3. Christians, whether you Protestant or Catholic of that age, though not taking it to the same extreme as the Japanese, do believe in living and sacrificing for the greater good.
So what Mariko was saying in essence was that, if Blackthorne continues to chase after just his own happiness and live by his truth, and not align himself to something greater and more noble, he will never truly be satisfied.
And i think its a beautiful critique of the modern audience who sees stoicism or living in service of something bigger them ourselves as stupid or foolish. But of course it doesnt help that Mariko, on the other hand, takes it to the extreme of the opposite direction and isnt exactly living in a healthy manner either.
(And before anyone b*tches about it: yes, i oversimplified this argument and made it so that even the most simple minded modern audience could understand, but obviously, Mariko was not thinking in the modern terminology and verbage)
No, it's not stupid.
"Sake" means alcohol in general. If you want to order sake in Japan it's "nihonshu."
It took 5 episodes to hammer old Japan way of life into audience’s head. They finally understood.
Buntaro Toda was preparing to commit Seppuku if Blackthorne had condemned him. Sometimes forcing someone to live is a worse fate than death. I live with modern Asians. Shame still carries heavy here across many countries. I couldn't imagine Japan 500 years ago. Toda removed his shoes for the first time (he has them on in the house), giving respect for the first time to John's home. He removes his sword and scabbard shifting the power and authority to "John." He admits he has shamed his home. Shaming and disrupting the peace of a man's home was a horrible thing. To do it to a person with honors could result in death and potential removal of your family line. Lady Fuji is just awesome. I'd marry her in another life.
Also, Toda loves Mariko. It's why he forces her to live though her name brings shame to him.
Ishido is like: fck this im gonna need 2 replacements
I think a philosopher once said life is like a prison and we are our own jailor.
I had a feeling he would show up sometime. I am loving Shogun, just absolutely amazing. ❤❤
If you think of it in terms of self control, the theme of self control against freedom are a common theme, in the west as well as the east. Warriors have control of themselves, so they can focus their aggression, freedom and control are not complimentary, to apply ourselves to any task requires control, if we only cared for freedom we would not choose to undertake the task, nothing would be accomplished or achieved.
51:41 Good catch on the swords' backstory. Toranaga's almost certainly aware of it, and the irony is part of what makes him laugh initially. However, the gesture of Blackthorne's gift overwrites that shameful story with a glorious one where the swords preserve the honor of an overlord at a critical moment. This makes the gift a great favor to Fuji as well, which Blackthorne, Toranaga, and Mariko all understand.
Once Buntaro charged back up the stairs and fought back out of the screen I definitely expected him to show up again. I wasn’t sure in what way, but I didn’t think he was dead.
I think what mariko is trying to say is that if your life is focused on being free, you loose your purpose and responsibilities; in away becoming a slave to your own desires.
The reason why Mariko didn't leave the scene.
I think Mariko shouldn't have let her behavior show that her husband shot her with an arrow that would accidentally hit her. If she were to be frightened or run away at that time, it would reveal her distrust and disrespect towards her husband. She shouldn't have embarrassed her husband.I think it is not due to kindness towards her husband, but due to her duties and customs due to her long-standing position.
Awesome reaction of my favorite episode of Shogun!!!!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
"She had to commit Sudoku." 🙂
LMFAO
I love this show too. It's incredible. Started watching it yesterday together with my mum but I've watched it by myself first.
I always enjoy your reactions a lot, and I'm glad that I found you guys when you were watching/reacting to Game of Thrones because it was so much fun.
love seeing the clear difference in thought from two separate cultures in real time in 2024 so cool
The killing of the gardener i think expresses two things. The first is the difficulty of translating figures of speech. I remember there was a funny episode of Archer where Archer was struggling to talk through a translator and he kept getting told that "he couldn't translate idioms". Things like hyperbole or exaggeration are easily lost without proper context and delivery. The second thing the killing of the gardener expresses is blackthorn's power as a hatamoto. As a hatamoto, blackthorn comands the power of a samurai which serve directly under the lord. His words are effectively orders that others below his station must follow. Up until this point, Blackthorn for the most part is unaware of the powers he was granted.
In modern days a guy left behind is dead , at that time regardless of storytelling trope , a man can survive and fight so many ennemy before beeing matched , range weapon are somewhat inacurate nor deadly , and you had many ways of leaving a battlefield alive , in fact when 2 army colide a 100% casuality at the end of a day never happens , you have to prevent flying , encircle during battle and kill the guy on the ground and be very thourough ,and even then people find ways to survive ... so yes its a possibility totaly plausible .
The bigest element of survival was :the night
Diseapear is way more easy at night and in a city like osaka .
people outside the UK: "But aren't you in London?"
In fairness, London has a larger population than the entirety of Scotland 😅 - Steejo
Sound of silence came out in 1966, so 58 years ago. It is pretty funny the comment that remixing the songs you grew up with, but that song is a cover(as mentioned)/re-recording of a classic I grew up with :)
POV: if John wouldn't be hungover he would've put more effort in understanding what Fuji was saying - when she wanted the pheasant gone. 😢
i didn’t think he’d come back, literally only because you reminded me of the show trope, that’s why i thought it might happen,
Calling Ishido Ishida isn't wrong
Ishido Kazanari = Ishida Mitsunari
Ive been waiting for the reaction all week now its finally here 😀✨️🤩.........Looks like things are about to get real intense in the story
First reaction I've seen to understand Blackthorn's pheasant! The whole "leave it out to get stinky and collect flies" thing kinda threw me - no idea that's how it's done.
In france the term " faisander " from faisant mean " let rot ( very early stage of decomp )" and its the proper way to make the meat aquire a special aroma , and its wrongly seen as we eat rotten meat in medieval ages .
The way they filmed this it made me believe that Fujiko was watching Blackthorne care for the Garden and the rock. I think or hope from there's its clear that it was an act of contrition and respect from Blackthorne.
I thought her husband would come back because we didn't see a body and it would be the height of awkward drama. Mariko and Blackthorne have had a connection from the beginning and he actually listens to her, so them getting together makes sense to me. They are the only characters who speak Portuguese so they kind of exist in their own little world, it's quite nice.
The fact that there's people who get confused by the end of the episode 4 is crazy.
We throw around words all the time in the west without thinking, but there isn’t really sarcasm in Japan from my understanding, they put much more value on words
The "law of the house" of this period is close to the "order of the lord of the castle" of the West.
You need a certain position to be the head of a house
That's what the flag is all about.
Unlike the relationship between the Western lord and the lord's wife, the wife of the lord of the house is often treated like the lord's property."
Therefore, it is impossible for wisteria to disobey the order.
I'm kidding. I didn't mean it
Even though there are misunderstandings like this in the same language, it's impossible to understand each other's intentions even though we don't understand each other at all."
（I am Japanese, and I rely on a translation app to write this sentence.
I don't know if my intentions are properly written in English.
Even today, it is difficult to translate accurately even with all kinds of systems and tools, so how did you do it at that time?I respect ANNA.）
Disturbed's "Sound of SIlence" is a cover...and you're acting like your gen is original when there were all these covers and samples, 20-30 years ago too
I'm well aware that Disturbed's version is a cover. I also think it's better than the Simon and Garfunkle version. But I believe that neither of them are candidates for a "dance remix". There are many phenomenal covers that have come over the years and many more abhorrent ones but I can never remember a time where the vast majority of the top 10 songs in the chart were covers or heavily sampling other songs. - Steejo
I'm no dirty skipper, and I don't bail on you two for a delayed video. I'm a sticker. Edit: Steejo, you're the man, but hate to tell you, brother...everyone knew Mariko's husband was alive.
Never been to England. I get goosebumps knowing we live in an era with a reigning king.
I thought that we were told that Buntato had died, but we never saw the body!
Everybody knows that the bird is the word.
lol . soduko imagine doing that in middle of battlefeild .
I'm only 3 episodes in so far, but 3 Body Problem seems like a good show.
Why do they keep saying Sodoku as oppose to Seppuku
Inside joke between us. - Suzy
It’s hilarious ngl
TUNAMI🌊
信長の娘、落ち葉の方
Nobunaga daughter Ochiba
Don’t commit sudoku!
I thought dude was dead!
It was never considered as bad back then. Its only bad now
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TORANAGA-SAMA!!
Aging game birds, such as pheasants or grouse, is a common practice among hunters and game enthusiasts to improve the flavor and tenderness of the meat. Aging allows natural enzymes within the meat to break down connective tissues, resulting in a more tender and flavorful bird.
Well, You guys got it right 100% about Buntaro ....... unlike many of us 😁
Eh........
Don't look it up if you don't want to know too much, but the series is loosely based on real life events. John is loosely based on William Adams, thought to be the first white man in Japan. The Japanese didn't think him a savage, they didn't know what to think. Imagine living on an island for 1000 years and then some guy with big eyes and light hair shows up because he can't read Dutch navigation charts.
William Adams was not the first European in Japan. The Portuguese arrived there in 1543 - 57 years before Adams. However he was the first foreigner to be made a samurai by Tokugawa Ieyasu. He was given 80 or so retainers and a 250 koku fief in Hemi (now part of Yokusuka City), in the Miura Peninsular, near Edo (what is now Tokyo).
great reactions, GJ , a little problem with brittish english, but on the end no problem... And im not usa citizen, just everywhere hear and listen american english...
Just so ju know. Kanja is the word that later became Ninja. So the spy in the village is a true depiction of a historically accurate Shinobi no mono, kanja, rappa, ninja. (Source Anthony Cummins, bansenshukai etc)
Is it that Japanese culture takes words too literally? Or is it us in the west who take spoken words too lightly? That we'd say anything at a whim without considering the possible consequences of careless spoken words?
Oh, so Europe never had any servants, serfs, or non-Christians who were maimed or killed for violating the express wishes of a lord? Are you from some alternate timeline?
命を軽んじている。過去の日本はそうだったと思います。サムライの勇ましい部分も描きつつ、昔の文化の異質さも描いている作品だと感じました。
I agree, honor and respect was more important that people's lives. There was no consideration for redemption, people's lives were just thrown away. - Steejo