The CANNON SCENE?!? | Shogun Ep 1x4 Reaction & Review | Disney+
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Cannon balls can just be casted, and Japan can already make their own gun powder.
The tricky bit is the instruments and mathematics for precise aiming, that astrolabe Blackthorne is using is novel technology for gunnery.
The other bit is the English have started introducing standardised weapons, okay its still in the early stages but it means a set of English 12 pound naval guns will all have roughly similar performance and aiming.
Add the fact that everyone else is using brass cannons, Englan has started using iron barrels which have lower performance but are cheaper so instead of spanish ships having to drag in dozens of different types of guns f every calibre an English ship has a full broadside of standard guns and you can see why the english have basically skipped an era and things are about to get very exciting for the spanish.
I look forward to Shogun every week.
I am Japanese.
There is a reason why Fuji does not touch the guns of the Anjin with bare hands.
For the samurai, the sword is considered to be the dwelling place of the soul or god.
Basically, no one other than the owner of the sword is allowed to touch it.
Whenever someone touches another person's sword, they always hold it wrapped in a fukusa (like a handkerchief).
My guess is that Fuji thought of Anjin's gun like a samurai sword.
And then there is natto, a food made from fermented soybeans. Natto (fermented soybeans) has been around in Japan for a long time.
It was mainly eaten in eastern Japan.
Osaka, where the Shogun is set, is famous for being a place where many people do not like natto.
By the way, I love natto.
Natto is sold in Japanese supermarkets.
You guys should give natto a try.
Thank you for the interesting facts!
That's some interesting notes
that is pretty cool, i love the connection between samurai and his weapon.
What happens behind the eightfold fence, stays behind the eightfold fence!
The official podcast said "consort" was not an exact translation. As hatamoto, Blackthorne must be part of a samurai family. Toranaga is "marrying" him into Fujiko-san's. Her responsibility is to run his household much as a samurai wife is expected to do in the Sengoku period.
I suspect this is also what happened to real life William Adams (Miura Anjin). Togukawa Ieyasu arranged a match for him because he served as a retainer.
if i remember correctly, while the novel takes some noticeable liberties in depicting the history of the unification of japan, it is actually pretty close to how the whole thing went down, and also pretty authentic to the period and the people that shaped it
@@murciadoxial8056 It is one of the best examples of historical fiction being actually pretty faithfully historical, rather than a period piece. The names are different, times and places and events are fudged or simplified but very much still reflect the overall events, and as far as is known, while the characterisation takes liberties, the accuracies of the cultural periods in the East and West are pretty spot on, and the characters fit very close to their direct inspirations. In some cases, like Blackthorn teaching naval cannonry, is more accurate to Adams' experience than the novel and original miniseries, where he attempts to teach gunnery tactics. While Adams may have witnessed or been a part of engagements where such things were involved... We're talking privateering, not someone regularly hauling around a compliment of Royal Marines. So while the source material is pretty great on its own... This adaptation shines in part because of Hiroyuki Sanada's conditions on involvement. He wanted to do justice to the period, from the politics to the clothing; they even had the script translated into Japanese by formally trained period playwrights (so like, if someone had to translate something into Shakespearean-era English), and then had it translated back into the appropriate languages to check how it worked and if they could use it. If you consume enough modern Japanese media, you've probably noticed that the Japanese spoken by the characters is not only heightened in terms of what would be considered extreme modern politeness, BUT, some of the words are completely archaic and haven't been used for a few centuries at most. Same roots, and other things becoming more casual as the social etiquette did, but still.
Good to know that!
did you know that they changefuju's name from fujiko bc the white man that wrote the book actually knew little about how jpn names worked and specially during the era he decided to write about. just like "san" is a very modern honorific
@@princesadelaos Ohhh, that makes sense. Hmm... To be fair to him though, even this production had to consult period specific historians and playwrights just to get the Japanese to sound more contemporary to that period, because even though they wanted it to sound more authentic, the average modern japanese writer wouldn't necessarily know, either. He wrote it in the 70's, didn't he? Still more accurate than I'd expect something from that decade to be.
"Should have bought better sake." and "Should have bought the cheap stuff." are my favorite lines from this episode.
I also like how they show John walking around muttering Japanese.
What a way to end an episode!! Holy shit! That smile on nephew's face was priceless.
There are a six books. "Shogun" setting is 1600 Japan, "Tai-Pan" takes place in 1841 Hong Kong, "Gai-Jin" is set in 1862 Japan, "King Rat" is in a Japanese prisoner of war camp during WWII, "Noble House" takes place in 1963 Hong Kong, and "Whirlwind" is in 1979 Iran.
Are these book have anything in common?
@@jackhilton4285 Taipan and Noble House are about the same family line. James Clavell was a POW in WWII, hence his fascination with Japan.
@@matdrat damn. So sad they Can't make season 2 out of this. I don't want it to end
Welcome to what happens when Cannon (In this case, chain-shot) is accurate portrayed on film. They are brutal, brutal weapons. Many many years later a Confederate General would simply say this about war "Mars is not an aesthetic God."
Truly. Normal cannonballs rip through everything in their path, men fall like bowling pins but if those pins were as comparably as fragile as eggs, filled with blood and viscera. Normally on screen they just fall down with some spray of blood from offscreen if they do a close-up. Grape and cannister shot just created the original "pink/red mist", and while chain shot wasn't intended nor really directly used on people... They certainly did still get caught in its flight path. I was NOT expecting an accurate depiction of the steel bolo of death, but when they left the chain shot as the last thing they loaded in the cannon and didn't continue on with that, and heard that amazing foley work of what sounds like something in a rotational whip in the air, my brain went "oh fuck no--" right as it tracked to the carnage. 😅
Japan was already producing their own guns at this point.
with this episdoe fuji/Moeka Hoshi finaly place her in the hearts of the most fans.
Yabu: My lord, let me show you my army!
Toronaga: You mean MY army.
Episode 1 opened telling us it was 1600. The priest in the jail said he arrived in '72 (I think). The last episode of Blue Eye Samurai is called "The Great Fire of 1657."
Good catch!
there is a lot to be said for being given good material and circumstance to work with/deliver on, but even taking that into account Moeka Hoshi is killing it in her scenes.
Fantastic point about the way the show foregrounds and explores the significant impact of women in this society, while keeping it organic and grounded in historical reality. That's such a difficult balance to strike, without rewriting history a bit. They do it wonderfully. You are among the most perceptive reactors to this show. You always pick out things that others miss, and your points are super insightful. Love your reactions.
Wait until you see Toranaga's reaction to his son!
Gunpowder was invented in Asia long before Europe.
Katana were considered the Soul of a samurai.. this and the fact that they were made from carbon steel meant that they were also easily ruined by rust thru oils .. the blade should only touch silk and blood. Samurai women, or women / consorts/ wives of samurai gave respect to the weapon by not handling the open blade end.. Fuji handling his pistols with the same reverence spoke volumes… her subtle acting style and facial expressions and the character she plays makes her my favorite!! Thank you for the awesome reaction to a beautifully crafted show
10:00 I looked it up earlier, and it was considered "unseemly" for a lady to touch farm equipment and weapons, basically "heavy machinery".
It's also a way of handling weapons that could be considered "heirlooms" rather than just stuff available (like the Naginata in the previous episode). She was attempting to treat them the way she would handle the swords of a family she didn't belong to. Once she is obliged to bear them in order to keep them on behalf of their owner, then she is willing to take them bare-handed.
FYI, a hatamoto salary/yr 250 Koku, equivalent to $200k or more now, and a samurai's $50k/yr, but amount still depends whether you're from a particular lineage or made a vassal, depends on how valuable you are. Food and labor of course were relative to that period
1 Koku is the amount of rice needed to feed on person for one year, about 5 bushels.
Very curious how you're making that conversion. Koku is a measure of volume of rice equal to about 150kg/180L. If you directly cost 240 koku it's only in the low 5 figures.
Last Samurai story has to be after 1868 ... the Boshin war. The end of the Tokugawa Shogunate. This show is 1600 and the beginning of the Tokugawa Shogunate. 268 years apart.
That "chain shot' that was used in the last scene was pretty vicious. I was just reading up on it, and it is typically used against other ships to take out their sails. Which looks like what had happened to the Erasmus. I guess they didn't get their chain shots ready in time
Very much so. Two cannonballs or a split ball linked by a meter of heavy chain, typically aimed high. You could use fire to take out sails, but lighting it often put your ship at as much risk as the target. The intent was to snap masts if possible, but it could also shred sails better than a single ball, and tangle and rip the hundreds of yards of rigging holding everything together. They were expensive and shorter ranged, but could be so effective that one good barrage from the top deck could cripple a larger vessel. Pirates and privateers loved it.
Women in this period still had a fair amount of rights [for a feudal society] and could even be the head of a household or even clan if there husband had died but in the following Edo period nearly all of there rights were taken away and Christianity became very persecuted to the point of extinction.
The cannons fired chain-shot, which are two smaller cannon balls or two half-balls connected with a chain. They extend when fired & are used to slice through the masts or sails of ships. Or through troops out in the open.
The book is great! You should read it. Based on how much they have done so far they will cover all of the book this season. The sequels to the books actually take place decards and centuries after this time period.
Doing the audible right now, but trying to keep pace with the show, so its killing me.
The look on your faces at that final surprise scene.
Brilliant reaction, as usual guys!
Natto isn't bad really, it is fermented soy beans over some rice.
It is snot-like and tastes like toe jam, or something like that.
納豆は大豆を藁に包んで発酵させたものです。食べるときにご飯の上に乗せる人が多いです
@@user-xh6mk9dc1m I have no idea what you wrote in Japanese, but be assured - I was joking. I would certainly be willing to try natto.✌
@@user-fu9vj9ix3gI will take your word on what "toe jam" tastes like as I am unfamiliar.
@@thomasolson1154 I was a an odd child....
Yes there are more books, set 100's of years later if I recall. so it will be one and done.
9:25 New wafiu unlocked.
Edit, your reaction to the cannon is all I could ever ask for.
20 year old me: Tactics? *grabs my laptop* "You see here is my 100% achievements in total war on steam, meaning yes I am qualified to teach you..."
Did Nerdy read somewhere that they used natural fire light? Because I'm a gaffer and I would be shocked if they didn't enhance the fire with, at least one, and probably more of a variety possible fixtures from LED to Tungsten. However, if it is natural fire only, then a great applause to the post colourist and the on-set DIT along with the DoP. But yes, I wholeheartedly agree that this is a beautifully lit and shot show. My favourite in years in that regard.
It’s a canon event bro 💥
Natto is fermented soy beans
Not terrible, but a bit funky.
I believe the showrunners have said it'll only be one season.
Yes, the show seems to be following the book as a whole, so a season 2 would make no sense.
The book would make a GREAT bookclub!
The consort not touching the swords or the guns was probably a representation of the reoccurring half superstition half cultural taboo surrounding touching a samurais, in certain places at certain times it was believed that the soul of the samurai was in their swords, sometimes very literally sometimes poetically, but you’ll notice in sumo wrestling the Yokozuna will carry a sword to competitions but when he competes his sword bearer will hold it very deliberately with a piece of fabric between his hand and the sword
9:58
The guns are the hatamoto's(John's) property, so his consort doesn't touch them with her bare hands out of respect.
I was blessed to witness the first Series on TV, then bought the book, and have reread it so many times it's literally falling apart now! ;-)
This remake is absolutely *STUNNING* in every good way, and I'm grateful everyone involved actually respected the Story, and the Actors are *NAILING IT!*
Anna Sawai is an amazing actress! Loved her in Monarch: Legacy!
One book about Japan, 1200 Pages. The first time this was a mini series with Richard Chamberlain in 1980, 9 hours ... You should do a comparison after watching this one .... Lets go !!!!
Shogun is an excellent book and the series stays extremely close to it.
Natto is fermented soy beans. Its an incredibly nutrient rich food that you could literally live off of all by itself...if you can handle the smell. The odor of it is....extremely difficult...for most people to stomach.
I think Clavell's Asian Saga novels are comprise of multiple stories. Shogun is only one book in the saga. Other books have different stories, different characters, different time period, and some is in different country.
Nattō is a traditional Japanese food made from whole soybeans that have been fermented.
I learned what Natto is from iron chef Japan. It was the secret ingredient, and the iron chef won by grilling it with coca cola 😂
Masterpiece of a show! It's unparalleled really.
Despite the bad taste due to the ending, early Game of Thrones was amazing.
Finally accurate depiction of cannons. Hollywood usually likes to just show blasts and big fires when cannons fire lmao.
Yabushige's side was just JOZEN for him
There is one vital peace that was in the books that was left out of this episode. When the Anjin was given a year to train the canon regiment, he was also told to learn Japanese. The entire village was commanded to help him learn Japanese, if he did not learn sufficiently than the entire village would be put to death. This plagued Balckthorne and weighed heavily on his mind. So in the end he decided to commit Seppuku, and committed himself to the act. It was only the fast response of Omi that stopped the blade. For Blackthorne, he had died that day and was reborn as Anjin-san. Yabu stated that what ever he learned it would be sufficient. It was a major step in Blackthorne embracing Japan and adopting their culture. I wish they had kept it in the show.
Adaptations are adaptations and should choose to do things differently where it Mars more sense in the format they've chosen to tell the story. Episode 5 has the same thematic elements you're describing without that specific event. Tonally and pacing wise I don't think they could've fit that in this episode.
I cannot wait for more of this.
Shogun the book is 1300 pages, but they’re going to cover the entire book in one season. And you should definitely read it: it’s great. Just be aware that they’ve made some alterations to the show (e.g., character names) to make it more historically accurate.
PS: Natto is a fermented soybeans dish. It is generously described as an “acquired taste.” It’s probably more accurately described as vile.
Quite refreshing to do the opposite of what many other franchises do, which is to squeeze as many episodes and seasons out of the source material as possible, and then some. Much better this way.
@@hoon_soltotally agree.
@@hoon_sol I generaly agree with your position 100% but in this very specific case I think there was material enough to make 3 seasons (3x10 eps) out of it.
I known with this production quality I would have been game for a deeper longer dive in this timeperiod and story. I'm already sad it'll have to end in 5 weeks !
Been waiting for this for days can’t wait
Would be great if you consider watching the original 1980 Shogun miniseries after this, it was shot in Japan, and the sets constructed by the japanese crew in their traditional way, its beautiful.
I was 5yrs old during the 89 earthquake in San Francisco. I was asleep for half of it til I heard my fam yelling at me 😅
Great reaction as always!!
North American vowels are so strangely different. When you tried to say "onsen" it almost sounded like "anzen", which means "safety". So my advise for Americans would be to work on your vowels if you want to go to Japan and use some Japanese words. You would be understood much easier.
You didn't say it here, but one word Americans usually get wrong is "kawaii", which very often comes out as "kowai" when Americans try to say it. The former means "cute" and the latter means "scary", so it could potentially become a very awkward situation.
Toranaga's kid is such a damn Fredo. I hope for his sake that he doesn't have a much more competent younger brother.
Funny talking about the tropes of learning a language in films. Reminds me of the movie The 13th Warrior. Dude learns Viking in an evening watching the guys bullshit over ale and dinner lol. Fluent in an hour 🤣
In the book though it took him months of careful listening and watching.
That wasn't one evening, it was the whole journey.
Clarus is really adorable.
its a hulu show btw
Natto is fermented beans. That’s why it reminds John of cheese
i think the canon where still loaded by chain shoot , just a gess
25:39 The channel this is on in the US is FX-Hulu which tops out at basically hard PG-13 so I think it’s more of a minimal nudity (ie butts but no tits or full frontal) standard
Great reaction!
Yeah!
On the negative side: every week the episode ends… 😢
Actually, there'll be no season 2 for Shōgun. But not a problem for me. I'd rather watch an epic compact mini series than the boring super long series that has not much plot left to go on.
Fermented soy beans
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Damn nice tatas
They're just.. out. What was her thought wearing that dress?
@@jatinchanchlani8982promotion
Juicy.
5:09 Sanada's voice is well trained. In Japanese martial arts they say to "speak from the belly," but what about Kozmo Jarvis's voice? 4:47 6:41 Isn't his voice just like Donald Duck in the cartoons?
Well, Donald Duck is a respectable character with a long history. So I take your comment as a compliment to him.
No way the Portugese would of shown the Japanese how to use Cannons as it is their only advantage over the Japanese in the black ships and their cannons if the Japanese knew how to use Cannons effectively they could defend their ports against ships as at this time the Japanese Naval knowledge is centuries behind Europe.
The historian on the FX podcast said they changed John from training them to use guns (which didn't make a lot of sense at that point in history) to cannon, as that would have continutity with the later use of English/Dutch cannons (and portuguese made) in the 1614 seige of Osaka. They also seem to be changing Blackthorne to be closer to William Adams, who was very much a naval man (sailed against the Spanish armada 1588 and was trained in ship building).
why you guys laugh too much, i thought it was about comedy show ?
Attack on titan is better but you ruined it to her