Link to the DX1000, AX1000 and A1000 buying page (NOT AFFILIATED): hiplok.com/1000-series/ Links to the written reviews, with full specs: Hiplok DX1000: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/hiplok-dx1000-review-home-away-security Hiplok A1000: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/garage-and-home-security/hiplok-a1000-review-ground-anchor Hiplok AX1000: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/garage-and-home-security/hiplok-ax1000-review-ground-anchor-package
All sounds good!@GaijinGamerGirl Remember that a brake disc can be cut easier than most locks, but all your plans sound good. I would say you can be totally confident in the Hiplok Kickstarter - it's already well exceeded its target and Hiplok is a very established and trustworthy brand. They launched the original D1000 on Kickstarter too. Regarding the 25mm chain, I'll have a review out tomorrow on BikeSocial.co.uk for the new Pragmasis 25mm chain, which is significantly cheaper than the Almax! I'll also be doing a video on all my most recommended security in a few weeks. Cheers, John
No - I rarely do videos of security kit, though it will be included in the best security feature. 10-12 minutes isn't true I'm afraid, but a 25mm chain is very effective. @GaijinGamerGirl
IM confused I Went To Buy One Its Asking For Kick Start. DOES THE D1000 Work. SO the DX Might Not Be Made. Reaching A Goal By Dec. CONFUSED. Can You Take Time Please Ans Explain. THANK YOU
Great video John. Good, sensible and realistic advice. It makes me laugh that some of the best chains available today, like Pragmasis, still don’t appear on many insurers/comparison websites. It’s all about being sensible. Don’t park your shiny new bike up in any decent sized city and definitely not in London. But if you absolutely must, layer the security then hopefully the gits will move onto something less well protected!
Thanks for the video. Why we are not talking about the increasing of theft crime. The thieving is not crime anymore. Police do not do anything and don’t care if your bike has been stolen. All thieves are really doing their job easily even while cameras record them because there is no deterrent for them in terms of the law. I think we have to talk about this kind of thing as well with very loud.
The Met Police don’t even bother coming out to you if your bike is stolen and that’s if you have a tracker fitted! They simply do not care about motorcycle crime in the capital. As there is no punishment the thieves can do what ever they like and take their time as they know that they won’t get caught!🤔
@Mozzer_999 I know, believe me, I know. They are utterly useless! Funny how they’re always about if you go a mile or 2 over the speed limit. But, of course those buggers are Traffic?
I really appreciate your service to the community! Your reviews and videos are high quality and give so many insights about which lock is how good and why. I am always glad to know that recommending certain locks is based on not only many but also high quality information such as yours.💪 Keep up the good work!
Nice, been biking on and off all my life but sold my last bike 4 years ago. Now finally got a new bike again (age 50) never could shake the feeling of being incomplete without a moto. -Cheers
As an amateur lock picker I’ll confirm…what you see on LPL and others…is years and years of patient learning and skills that only a few can master. Cheap locks like Master locks are easy…so are lockable internal doors at home etc…but anything with security pins at a good price is very hard to pick and not like the movies at all….
Plus criminals are not master thieves. It's not like gone in 60 seconds...they're not out mastering the art of lock picking, more like mastering the art of conniving and drug selling ect
People need to understand that LPL is an outlier. It's like watching a master cardshark at work. Every sleight of hand these cardsharks do is an art and for sure, it looks easy. If I expose the classic pass in slow-mo and in plain view, you will think it looks easy. In my years performing sleight of hand, I was never worried about letting my audience see how these cheating techniques work because they will NEVER be able to do it. Takes LOTS of practice and determination that if you could master them, I don't see why you would want to cheat at card games because you could have used those attributes you have (patience and determination) to learn proper skills that could make much more money legally. Likewise, if these low life criminals are willing to put in the amount of time, effort, and patience into learning how to pick locks, why would they learn such a useless skill because putting in those same effort and time spent, they could have picked up skills that could earn them more money legally than a low life bike thief ever could. That's why people really shouldn't worry about lock picking when it comes to these unsophisticated low life bike thieves.
This it good; placement of any lock to make it as difficult as possible is what I have been doing for decades. I added metal flat washers to a padlock to beef it up to slow down any attack. When I lock up the trailer axle with a motorcycle chain, it goes through the rim, padlock is under the trailer attached to the leaf-spring. Keep it real!
It’s definitely about the layering. I used to use front and rear caliper locks, kryptonite lock and chain, ,lock the steering, and motion alarm. If you want to steal my bike, I’m going to make it as difficult as possible. Never had my bike stolen. My next bike I will invest into the hiplok as it is very impressive. Great work!
another good video, looking forward to getting my AX1000, I was part of the crowdfunding (people who pre-paid) to see this come to fruition and so glad i did based on your video as looks like the best ground anchor out there :-)
I haven't looked up the price yet,but the dx1000 will be added to my litelock x3 and pragmasis 13mm chain,with live on the pillion seat off my tracer 900gt,great review John, always enjoy watching your no nonsense videos
I use an abus granite extreme on my tiger explorer. My tip for these d locks is buy a set of grip puppies and tape and use them on the d lock to protect the paintwork on your wheel. I then use an abus 8008 disc lock on the front. Using these two for me is perfect. The d lock stradles the shaft drive and goes either side of the wheel bars not spoke and connects on the outside of the wheel. I have been using these two constantly since Feb 2019. And apart from a spray of copper grease on the d lock and a new battery every year on the 8008 they are both working perfectly. Kept outside as well. As you say these locks are a good deterrent. And do give peace of mind.
Hi John another great review 👍 Glad to see someone has finally used a diamond disc to cut through these locks. I have always wondered whether it would make a difference.
Great video, you’ve just inspired me to buy a dx1000. Just bought my first bike after passing my test. Fell in love after about 10 minutes and spent the best part of a grand on various locks and chains and trackers 😂
Your videos are top notch. After my pedelac has been stolen as well as my mountainbike (in the bike storage room where i live) im looking forward for getting the d1000. Good luck mate getting 100k subs. I subbed
This is some of the best consumer advice out there, bravo. Johnny Thief is a lazy bloke (this is why he’s a thief). Any lock will be better than no lock but a good lock is better. The best lock? The one you use. I have a d1000, I feel safe enough.
Excellent video John. I can confirm that insurance companies don't offer discounts even on dealer fitted trackers. As I live in a very large, European city, I was required to prove (I'm not with Bennetts) that I had one of the Insurance company's approved locks on my bikes by sending both a copy of the receipts and a picture of the locks attached to the bikes. My bikes are in an alarmed, underground, lockup garage (so two doors before you can see the bikes) but they must be locked while in the garage. Also, if a bike is stolen and the lock is not fitted, I'll only receive 50% payout. I receive no discount for the garage alarm or tracker as, according to the insurance company, it's more likely that the bike will be stolen when it's not in the garage. Having said that, the (fully-comp) cover is excellent and also includes Commuting, Roadside Assistance, Legal et al. at a very reasonable price. So, again, I agree with you that you have to find the policy which suits all *_your_* needs best.
@@bennettsbikesocial well spotted for the location. Yes, they have to as there are an unbelievable number of motos (two and three wheeled vehicles) in just Paris alone. I'm told that France has more motos than most of the rest of Europe put together. This, of course, makes them a target for theft.
I already own the first D1000 and was already impressed, although the size made it awkward to use on certain bikes like my ebike, so I'm looking forward to getting the new DX1000 which should be big enough to fit both the rear wheel and frame of my bike, I'll also be able to combine it with my original D1000 for even more security.
Just ordered one I also have the Litelok x1 after watching your channel last year and the Oxford beast chain and lock but I do have 3 bikes to lock away and a bike trailer so the more difficult I can make it to move any of them the better, my Rebel 1100 also has a tracker fitted which I can monitor at home and the DX is for that along with the beast chain to the trailer. The litelok is just about OK to carry on the bike and coupled with Oxford Boss Alarm lock they hopefully put off anyone when out and about. 2022 Super Cub 125 Rebel 1100 and a NC700S-D for winter and £4K bike trailer so I do keep everything locked together when I can to prevent anyone lifting them into a vehicle..
‘Nobody can carry a 22mm chain with them’ - I do 😂 bigger actually. I have it on the pax seat. Nobody getting my bike. Planning on adding this to my combo in the future.
Hi John, thanks for the videos, I really enjoy the content you release, always very informative without a bias. Just a thought could the companies also include some sort of material inside that would act like chainsaw trousers when they are cut, effectively jamming everything? Anyway, thanks for the video, I bought a litelok x3 after watching the initial test you carried out on it.
It's not the job of the police to stand over your motorcycle. If you don't spend the money and the time to do as much as you can to prevent the motorcycle from theft, why then do you think the police put resources into finding it.
Aluminium can do that, but it's finding the balance in a compact form. The Ferosafe destroys abrasive discs, and the hardened steel resists diamond ones. Cheers, John
We need the Bowley Rotasera key cylnder, Thanks for the video, What happened to Altor SAF?, Why did Altor stop making it, that lock took 1 hour and 45 minutes to grind through and 7 blades and 5 batteries.
Top Tip: Stacking steel washers around a padlocks exposed shackle, forces thieves to attack the more resilient chain and/or ground anchor (if used) instead. 👍
Another fab and info-filled review John, i'll be a very sad lad when / if you retire from doing this, you're basically the Project Farm of motorcycle paraphernalia!
Thanks so much! That's a high standard though, and I've not been doing enough of the really in-depth videos to get close. More to come though... Cheers, John
I appreciate the work you do. Always doing the work and testing that takes the comfort out of consumers. Is the new dx1000 stronger than the litelok x3
I have a couple bikes and lock them together in the garage with an Oxford Monster padlock and chain. I saw a video where locks were opened in seconds using a comb rather than being picked.
Hiplock has 2 chains (Mega Chain and XL Chain) that are Sold Secure Diamond. I have seen reviews on them though. Would love to see your testing and review on them if you can get your hands on them.
I have some time before I'll need a really good lock like this one as I plan to get an Etrike but I'm a ways from doing so, need to save the rest of the money That said these locks look really REALLY good and these might be near top of my list for when I do get one. I have a Kryptonite U-lock and cable combo in the meantime.
Would be interested to know how long it lasts with a large angle grinding disc (the size used to cut paving slabs etc). Looks like a terrific lock though.
When I started building the huge library of lock tests we have, I bench-marked a larger grinder and a petrol cutter, but both were slower. Larger discs result in lower torque on a grinder too. Cheers, John
All good advise as usual. However all anti theft devices are undermined by the Police not taking Motorcycle theft as seriously as they could. The main anti theft scenario is if the Scummers think there is a decent chance of getting nicked.
Interesting. Would be nice to see a thief have a go, because where you can be seen changing disk multiple times because of a small chip, they will not. meaning less blades used and less time.
Great video, again, Mr. Milbank, I have to ask are the grinder-resistant locks, from Litelok and Hiplok, essentially the same? Is the significant difference is the size of the locks? I have heard thieves decide to not steal a bike because of the difficulty of the lock. "Let's take the other bike, it only has a (brand) lock. We can cut that in a few seconds." Should someone who owns the LiteLok X3 or Hiplok D1000 switch to the Hiplok DX1000?
They're both different materials - Hiplok uses Ferosafe welded to the hardened steel, whereas Litlok has a material (possibly a ceramic) that forms part of the material itself. Honestly, if you have the Hiplok D1000 or the Litelok X3 there's no need to 'upgrade' if those fit and work as you want them to. Cheers, John
decent pinch bar, six feet long with the tip sharpened on a grinder I could rip them roof bolts out of concrete or brick, as for the steel shackle of the lock different story but all anchors unless they are cast into concrete floors are weak points, trust me anything that is retrofitted is easily removed, it will stop most thieves but someone who has a bit a savvy and goes equipped will bypass any bolted or screwed anchor in seconds,
Love your reviews. How's the VFR getting on? I have a question about the locks.... is it the silicone covering that affects the cutting discs? Would it cut faster with the rubbery silicone material peeled off? Can it be peeled off? I know nothing about locks as I live in the deepest countryside of Ireland. Have to use them when out and about. I do have the old muttercycle chained to a propane gas cylinder and two disc locks, in a garage. Have a few ferrile cats about also
Thanks! Yeah, VFR is great, just haven't had time to sort the videos. The silicone only protects the bike's paint and doesn't affect the security at all. Kevlar sleeves could make chains a little slower to cut but they're not bothered with as they'd be too easy to slash off. Cheers, John
Any chance you could test some alarmed disc locks? I'm interested in how well they perform as alarms, not just locks. Such as, do they go off when expected, do they give false alarms too easily, is it loud enough, what battery type, etc?
Love the review, always great information. When it comes to the size of the lock, is it best to get the smallest lock that fits over the tire? Or the cast iron spokes? And is it better to place the lock over the tire or through the spokes? Last (annoying question), better to place the lock on the front tire or the rear tire?
Some will claim the front wheel gets removed but there's very little evidence of that in motorcycle theft, and very unlikely. A lock over the wheel is great, but over cast spokes seems to be fine too as even on my test wheel with no disc, I couldn't get the grinder in to attack the spokes. Cheers, John
John, what sort of disks did you use? I am tempted to buy two of these and test one destructively with a couple of different grinding disks. The dewalt one looks pretty good though, diablo and norton make some really good cutting wheels.
Can you test the Squire Stronghold D16/230 in your next review please? It's powered cycle gold and bicycle diamond, but I can't find a destructive test that I can trust. I'm looking for an alternative to the Litelok X1 or Abus Granit
What do you recommend for a trike/electric trike? I am so worried about it getting stolen I hardly take it out. I've found it's hard to fit the best locks because the two tires means the U locks can't reach to whatever you're trying to secure it to.
I can't see it - it's just not possible on the street for any but the most skilled. Things can always be cut, but it's time... And there'll always be plenty of people who don't lock their bikes or don't use as effective kit.
People like LPL practice for hours every day to maintain their skill (he just posted an hour video showing his practice routine). I don't think many thieves are going to have that level of dedication when it doesn't take any skill to grind a lock.
Also, Bosch’s X lock cutting disc system allows for swapping discs almost instantaneously, which makes any tests based solely on the ordinary way of attaching discs to angle-grinders partially valid in respect of time required to cut the lock with ordinary abrasive discs. The performance of those vary considerably between brands (ua-cam.com/video/7Ase0GXjx4w/v-deo.html), and it cannot be said that in general it takes 10 abrasive based cutting disks to cut through the lock’s rod. Sure, they are good locks for deterring the kids from stealing bicycles and motorbikes.
Thankyou John and Bennetts - fantastic video and I have just ordered a DX1000. Could I ask a question? Which is the most resistant to an angle grinder - a pragmasis 19mm protector chain or the DX1000? Thanks!
Nice review John, I’m looking to get a D Lock either the Hiplok or Litelok really for out and about, at home at the moment anyway I live in a very low crime area. I wonder how the Guardsman garage security barrier does, not sure if you’ve ever reviewed this?
Very few of the items I review are done as videos - you really need to check the BikeSocial website. www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/garage-and-home-security/guardsman-security-barrier-review-destruction-test
Thank you, great video, After a bad experience with an attempted theft, I am using both a litelok X3 and a hiplok D1000. I have a question about something in the video. Did you say that having the lock go over the entire wheel on the front wheel is better than the cast spoke on a either wheel? why is that?
Sorry to hear that, but great you have such good kit now! Sorry - I meant both work well, assuming the cast spoke is fairly inaccessible to a grinder. Hope that makes sense. Cheers, John
Click-bait garbage I'm afraid... Can you explain to me please how the body of the lock has been removed to cut that part of the shackle? Cutting that section - the bottom of the latching pins - is impossible without either unlocking it, or cutting off the body of the lock
Hi , I have a sym jet x 125 ( new rider ) . I'm looking at getting the DX1000 but they have an offer on atm for the d1000 plus the chain for the same price as the dx1000. What would be the best option in people's opinion?
Tethering the bike to something would be even better, but with the DX you could go over the wheel. And the DX will be more likely to suit whatever you get next. It's an investment
Thanks for the idea for the "HipLok" wearable bicycle lock, unfortunately while reaching for my Hiplok on my belt I was shot 3 times for reaching. Luckily the cop was a bad shot and hit my "HipLok" 3 times. Lucky me. Still a good idea. Next time I'll carry it in my backpack. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes, but you need to take the silicone sleeve off to do it. I wrapped mine in insulation tape. Best bet is to get the new DX1000 though. They'll be available soon...
Love your videos!!! I have a question :D, What bike would you recomend Gsx s1000 2020 and on or Z900 same year? I would use it for joy rides and traveling once a year for 2000km or so over 2 weaks. 190cm hight and 130kg :D.
@@bennettsbikesocialthank you so much! Was hoping that you would say gsxs1000 :D. Could you give me short awnser why is z900 better? Smoother ride? Better handeling etc?. Thank you
Best bet is to measure the wheel and check it against the dimension in the review: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/hiplok-dx1000-review-home-away-security Cheers, John
Very frustrating: I tried to add the DX1000 as my security device on my Bennetts insurance but apparently only the D1000 is on the list, so they won’t recognise this device. So in order to be insured I now have to keep using a weaker lock! Why do a Bennetts review of a device you won’t insure?!?
This is the same case (at the time of posting) for all insurance providers, not just Bennetts, as they all have access to the same list. Some are just quicker to update their own internal systems from it than others. The Hiplok 1000 range was submitted to the insurance industry for inclusion in February (I know, because I'm the one that does it) due to its Sold Secure Diamond certification, but it takes time to filter through. However, I've gone into more detail in this video. Does your policy require a secondary security device? If so, you can try using 'unknown mechanical device' in this case. ua-cam.com/video/JVqNCv_p7Ug/v-deo.html
@@bennettsbikesocial had a peek at the kick starter the price is basically the sane as the current D1000 and it doesn't release until April 24. That's some time away. Thanks for all your information nevertheless
Have a look at the Hiplok website - they're starting it on Kickstarter first, but you can trust it as they did that with the D1000 too. It's already beat its target. Cheers, John hiplok.com/1000-series/
Do you mean the rear wheel axle? On my 2019 GS it's not quite long enough to pile through enough to lock it. It will pass through the holes in the hub though, like the original D1000.
@@bennettsbikesocial I do indeed, that's a shame really. It'd be nice to see a u lock that'll fit in that area. I'd like to see someone get that off...
@@piggymito there'd be no advantage over attacking really as the top of the shackle would still be exposed. Of course, it would stop them removing the wheel! For hole use, if you want to do that have a look at the Pragmasis Super Dooper Anti Pinch pin.
I wouldn't say so, and given the value and ease of theft of e-bikes, I'd want a proper lock on it like this if I had one. Here's the full review: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/hiplok-dx1000-review-home-away-security
I use the hiplock chain when out and about and lock 🔐 to utility poles! A lock like that is only as good as the anchor 😅these locks are so expensive £300 or whatever it is when you can get a diamond 💎 sold secure D locks 🔐 for £50 😮when you go out on your bike and see 100’s of e-bikes riding illegally and scooter guys doing the same you know the police do not give a toss imagine if your bike got stolen they would not give two craps which is why you need security the bike thieves are another problem altogether
For what it might be worth, putting freely rotating chrome moly slugs inside the straight part of the shackles would take forever and a day to cut through. Just sayin…
Link to the DX1000, AX1000 and A1000 buying page (NOT AFFILIATED): hiplok.com/1000-series/
Links to the written reviews, with full specs:
Hiplok DX1000: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/hiplok-dx1000-review-home-away-security
Hiplok A1000: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/garage-and-home-security/hiplok-a1000-review-ground-anchor
Hiplok AX1000: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/garage-and-home-security/hiplok-ax1000-review-ground-anchor-package
If it doesn't, popping it on the cast spoke will still give you excellent protection.@GaijinGamerGirl
All sounds good!@GaijinGamerGirl Remember that a brake disc can be cut easier than most locks, but all your plans sound good.
I would say you can be totally confident in the Hiplok Kickstarter - it's already well exceeded its target and Hiplok is a very established and trustworthy brand. They launched the original D1000 on Kickstarter too.
Regarding the 25mm chain, I'll have a review out tomorrow on BikeSocial.co.uk for the new Pragmasis 25mm chain, which is significantly cheaper than the Almax!
I'll also be doing a video on all my most recommended security in a few weeks. Cheers, John
No - I rarely do videos of security kit, though it will be included in the best security feature.
10-12 minutes isn't true I'm afraid, but a 25mm chain is very effective. @GaijinGamerGirl
IM confused I Went To Buy One Its Asking For Kick Start. DOES THE D1000 Work. SO the DX Might Not Be Made. Reaching A Goal By Dec. CONFUSED. Can You Take Time Please Ans Explain. THANK YOU
@@salty_superspreader3647 the DX1000 will absolutely be made, and likely delivered early.
I'm thankful for two things:
1. The time & effort you put into making these videos
2. That I'm not your neighbour 😂
Ha! Thanks, and luckily I have very understanding neighbours
Great video John. Good, sensible and realistic advice. It makes me laugh that some of the best chains available today, like Pragmasis, still don’t appear on many insurers/comparison websites. It’s all about being sensible. Don’t park your shiny new bike up in any decent sized city and definitely not in London. But if you absolutely must, layer the security then hopefully the gits will move onto something less well protected!
Thanks! Our security list is currently the most up to date, but it is a challenge! Cheers, John
Thanks for the video. Why we are not talking about the increasing of theft crime. The thieving is not crime anymore. Police do not do anything and don’t care if your bike has been stolen. All thieves are really doing their job easily even while cameras record them because there is no deterrent for them in terms of the law. I think we have to talk about this kind of thing as well with very loud.
The Met Police don’t even bother coming out to you if your bike is stolen and that’s if you have a tracker fitted! They simply do not care about motorcycle crime in the capital. As there is no punishment the thieves can do what ever they like and take their time as they know that they won’t get caught!🤔
It's definitely a good point 🤘
Uk is a really small country and those groups are really just a few people... still whole society afraid of few people... and this is really sick.
@Mozzer_999 I know, believe me, I know. They are utterly useless! Funny how they’re always about if you go a mile or 2 over the speed limit. But, of course those buggers are Traffic?
@@ShakyStevens-nc8tdonly interested in woke crimes
I really appreciate your service to the community!
Your reviews and videos are high quality and give so many insights about which lock is how good and why.
I am always glad to know that recommending certain locks is based on not only many but also high quality information such as yours.💪
Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Just ordered my DX1000 based on your review. Just got into biking at 50 and loving your videos. Many thanks
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Nice, been biking on and off all my life but sold my last bike 4 years ago. Now finally got a new bike again (age 50) never could shake the feeling of being incomplete without a moto. -Cheers
No one makes better test lock reviews than Bennetts Bike Social.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks so much! Cheers, John
As an amateur lock picker I’ll confirm…what you see on LPL and others…is years and years of patient learning and skills that only a few can master. Cheap locks like Master locks are easy…so are lockable internal doors at home etc…but anything with security pins at a good price is very hard to pick and not like the movies at all….
Plus criminals are not master thieves. It's not like gone in 60 seconds...they're not out mastering the art of lock picking, more like mastering the art of conniving and drug selling ect
People need to understand that LPL is an outlier. It's like watching a master cardshark at work. Every sleight of hand these cardsharks do is an art and for sure, it looks easy. If I expose the classic pass in slow-mo and in plain view, you will think it looks easy. In my years performing sleight of hand, I was never worried about letting my audience see how these cheating techniques work because they will NEVER be able to do it. Takes LOTS of practice and determination that if you could master them, I don't see why you would want to cheat at card games because you could have used those attributes you have (patience and determination) to learn proper skills that could make much more money legally. Likewise, if these low life criminals are willing to put in the amount of time, effort, and patience into learning how to pick locks, why would they learn such a useless skill because putting in those same effort and time spent, they could have picked up skills that could earn them more money legally than a low life bike thief ever could. That's why people really shouldn't worry about lock picking when it comes to these unsophisticated low life bike thieves.
Another excellent test and review with some really useful tips and advice. Nice work John.
Thanks! All the best, John
This it good; placement of any lock to make it as difficult as possible is what I have been doing for decades. I added metal flat washers to a padlock to beef it up to slow down any attack. When I lock up the trailer axle with a motorcycle chain, it goes through the rim, padlock is under the trailer attached to the leaf-spring. Keep it real!
Thanks John great video. I love your reviews and tests they are top notch info 👍🏻
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Thanks John. I purchased the x1 moto after watching your review and now im tempted to get the DX1000.
You'll be very well protected with both of those! Cheers, John
It’s definitely about the layering. I used to use front and rear caliper locks, kryptonite lock and chain, ,lock the steering, and motion alarm. If you want to steal my bike, I’m going to make it as difficult as possible. Never had my bike stolen. My next bike I will invest into the hiplok as it is very impressive. Great work!
another good video, looking forward to getting my AX1000, I was part of the crowdfunding (people who pre-paid) to see this come to fruition and so glad i did based on your video as looks like the best ground anchor out there :-)
I haven't looked up the price yet,but the dx1000 will be added to my litelock x3 and pragmasis 13mm chain,with live on the pillion seat off my tracer 900gt,great review John, always enjoy watching your no nonsense videos
Thanks very much! Sounds like you have some great kit! Cheers, John
I use an abus granite extreme on my tiger explorer. My tip for these d locks is buy a set of grip puppies and tape and use them on the d lock to protect the paintwork on your wheel. I then use an abus 8008 disc lock on the front. Using these two for me is perfect. The d lock stradles the shaft drive and goes either side of the wheel bars not spoke and connects on the outside of the wheel. I have been using these two constantly since Feb 2019. And apart from a spray of copper grease on the d lock and a new battery every year on the 8008 they are both working perfectly. Kept outside as well. As you say these locks are a good deterrent. And do give peace of mind.
Love these tests. Great stuff! 👍
Thanks! All the best, John
Hi John another great review 👍 Glad to see someone has finally used a diamond disc to cut through these locks. I have always wondered whether it would make a difference.
Thanks! I've been using them as part of testing since last year, and have been explaining them in the written reviews. Cheers, John
Great video, you’ve just inspired me to buy a dx1000. Just bought my first bike after passing my test. Fell in love after about 10 minutes and spent the best part of a grand on various locks and chains and trackers 😂
It's a lot of money, but a great investment. Cheers, John
Your videos are top notch. After my pedelac has been stolen as well as my mountainbike (in the bike storage room where i live) im looking forward for getting the d1000. Good luck mate getting 100k subs. I subbed
Just bought one - very impressed with the quality.
This is some of the best consumer advice out there, bravo.
Johnny Thief is a lazy bloke (this is why he’s a thief). Any lock will be better than no lock but a good lock is better. The best lock? The one you use. I have a d1000, I feel safe enough.
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Excellent video John.
I can confirm that insurance companies don't offer discounts even on dealer fitted trackers. As I live in a very large, European city, I was required to prove (I'm not with Bennetts) that I had one of the Insurance company's approved locks on my bikes by sending both a copy of the receipts and a picture of the locks attached to the bikes. My bikes are in an alarmed, underground, lockup garage (so two doors before you can see the bikes) but they must be locked while in the garage. Also, if a bike is stolen and the lock is not fitted, I'll only receive 50% payout. I receive no discount for the garage alarm or tracker as, according to the insurance company, it's more likely that the bike will be stolen when it's not in the garage.
Having said that, the (fully-comp) cover is excellent and also includes Commuting, Roadside Assistance, Legal et al. at a very reasonable price. So, again, I agree with you that you have to find the policy which suits all *_your_* needs best.
Looking at your videos, are you in France? Sounds like they take security very seriously!
@@bennettsbikesocial well spotted for the location. Yes, they have to as there are an unbelievable number of motos (two and three wheeled vehicles) in just Paris alone. I'm told that France has more motos than most of the rest of Europe put together. This, of course, makes them a target for theft.
Love the M&S Safety Slippers. Need to get them to use in my garage.
An essential, no doubt! Cheaper at the Springfields Outlet centre too...
I was just looking at the hiplock. Great timing 😉
Same…and ordered!
I already own the first D1000 and was already impressed, although the size made it awkward to use on certain bikes like my ebike, so I'm looking forward to getting the new DX1000 which should be big enough to fit both the rear wheel and frame of my bike, I'll also be able to combine it with my original D1000 for even more security.
Is the new DX1000 wide enough to fit both the rear wheel and frame of my bicycle?
Great video mate, keep em coming!
Thank you John & Bennett’s this is excellent content.
Just ordered one I also have the Litelok x1 after watching your channel last year and the Oxford beast chain and lock but I do have 3 bikes to lock away and a bike trailer so the more difficult I can make it to move any of them the better, my Rebel 1100 also has a tracker fitted which I can monitor at home and the DX is for that along with the beast chain to the trailer. The litelok is just about OK to carry on the bike and coupled with Oxford Boss Alarm lock they hopefully put off anyone when out and about. 2022 Super Cub 125 Rebel 1100 and a NC700S-D for winter and £4K bike trailer so I do keep everything locked together when I can to prevent anyone lifting them into a vehicle..
You're doing everything right... nice work and a great collection of bikes! Cheers, John
‘Nobody can carry a 22mm chain with them’ - I do 😂 bigger actually. I have it on the pax seat. Nobody getting my bike. Planning on adding this to my combo in the future.
Blimey! Nicely done! Cheers, John
Hi John, thanks for the videos, I really enjoy the content you release, always very informative without a bias. Just a thought could the companies also include some sort of material inside that would act like chainsaw trousers when they are cut, effectively jamming everything? Anyway, thanks for the video, I bought a litelok x3 after watching the initial test you carried out on it.
It's not the job of the police to stand over your motorcycle. If you don't spend the money and the time to do as much as you can to prevent the motorcycle from theft, why then do you think the police put resources into finding it.
I wonder if it would be possible/beneficial to add some kind of gooey or plastik core to the lock, that gums up the cutting disc when it melts?
Aluminium can do that, but it's finding the balance in a compact form. The Ferosafe destroys abrasive discs, and the hardened steel resists diamond ones. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial I guess you could also add gunpowder to the core. Then a would-be thief would only attempt it once?
@@FedeHippothat'd be fun to weld during manufacturing!
We need the Bowley Rotasera key cylnder, Thanks for the video, What happened to Altor SAF?, Why did Altor stop making it, that lock took 1 hour and 45 minutes to grind through and 7 blades and 5 batteries.
Top Tip: Stacking steel washers around a padlocks exposed shackle, forces thieves to attack the more resilient chain and/or ground anchor (if used) instead. 👍
It's a nice idea, though decent quality chains all come with closed shackle locks, where the steel body envelops it.
@@bennettsbikesocial And in cases where they're not closed shackle design. Washers work well to guard an otherwise vulnerable shackle.
Excellent information thank you
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
Another fab and info-filled review John, i'll be a very sad lad when / if you retire from doing this, you're basically the Project Farm of motorcycle paraphernalia!
Thanks so much! That's a high standard though, and I've not been doing enough of the really in-depth videos to get close. More to come though... Cheers, John
I appreciate the work you do. Always doing the work and testing that takes the comfort out of consumers. Is the new dx1000 stronger than the litelok x3
In my testing, it has a greater combined attack resistance (based on abrasive and diamond discs)
Considering getting one for my e-bike
Excellent, excellent information professionally presented. Thank you 😊
Thanks so much! Cheers, John
I have a couple bikes and lock them together in the garage with an Oxford Monster padlock and chain. I saw a video where locks were opened in seconds using a comb rather than being picked.
Do you mean a comb pick? Poor quality locks can be more vulnerable of course.
Yes and 10 'Masterlocks' were opened in seconds. I don't know if 'Oxford' or 'Hiplok' would fare any better.
@@splodge57 have a look at the written review for the testing done by a French champion lock picker
Do they use zinc alloy discs in the lock like kryptonite does? If so a plumbing torch and 2 minutes will defeat it.
My D1000 fits through the front wheel and both brake discs on my 2022 Ducati Supersport
Excellent! Still a great lock. Cheers, John
Great video & review, thanks for sharing these very informative videos!! 👍👍
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
Hiplock has 2 chains (Mega Chain and XL Chain) that are Sold Secure Diamond. I have seen reviews on them though. Would love to see your testing and review on them if you can get your hands on them.
I have some time before I'll need a really good lock like this one as I plan to get an Etrike but I'm a ways from doing so, need to save the rest of the money
That said these locks look really REALLY good and these might be near top of my list for when I do get one. I have a Kryptonite U-lock and cable combo in the meantime.
Would be interested to know how long it lasts with a large angle grinding disc (the size used to cut paving slabs etc). Looks like a terrific lock though.
When I started building the huge library of lock tests we have, I bench-marked a larger grinder and a petrol cutter, but both were slower. Larger discs result in lower torque on a grinder too. Cheers, John
Love the safety slippers! 😂
Essential PPE!
All good advise as usual. However all anti theft devices are undermined by the Police not taking Motorcycle theft as seriously as they could. The main anti theft scenario is if the Scummers think there is a decent chance of getting nicked.
Looking forward to these coming out. You’re in Coventry? Same here. Ever head out o the Long Itch Diner?
No, but I think I'm going to need to... cheers, John
Interesting. Would be nice to see a thief have a go, because where you can be seen changing disk multiple times because of a small chip, they will not. meaning less blades used and less time.
Great video, again, Mr. Milbank,
I have to ask are the grinder-resistant locks, from Litelok and Hiplok, essentially the same? Is the significant difference is the size of the locks?
I have heard thieves decide to not steal a bike because of the difficulty of the lock. "Let's take the other bike, it only has a (brand) lock. We can cut that in a few seconds."
Should someone who owns the LiteLok X3 or Hiplok D1000 switch to the Hiplok DX1000?
They're both different materials - Hiplok uses Ferosafe welded to the hardened steel, whereas Litlok has a material (possibly a ceramic) that forms part of the material itself. Honestly, if you have the Hiplok D1000 or the Litelok X3 there's no need to 'upgrade' if those fit and work as you want them to. Cheers, John
decent pinch bar, six feet long with the tip sharpened on a grinder I could rip them roof bolts out of concrete or brick, as for the steel shackle of the lock different story but all anchors unless they are cast into concrete floors are weak points, trust me anything that is retrofitted is easily removed, it will stop most thieves but someone who has a bit a savvy and goes equipped will bypass any bolted or screwed anchor in seconds,
Love your reviews. How's the VFR getting on? I have a question about the locks.... is it the silicone covering that affects the cutting discs? Would it cut faster with the rubbery silicone material peeled off? Can it be peeled off? I know nothing about locks as I live in the deepest countryside of Ireland. Have to use them when out and about. I do have the old muttercycle chained to a propane gas cylinder and two disc locks, in a garage. Have a few ferrile cats about also
Thanks! Yeah, VFR is great, just haven't had time to sort the videos.
The silicone only protects the bike's paint and doesn't affect the security at all. Kevlar sleeves could make chains a little slower to cut but they're not bothered with as they'd be too easy to slash off. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial Thanks much for the insights. Your work is appreciated.
What would make it better, is being able to use my own lock cylinder so I'm able to use the same kay for my topbox.
Any chance you could test some alarmed disc locks? I'm interested in how well they perform as alarms, not just locks. Such as, do they go off when expected, do they give false alarms too easily, is it loud enough, what battery type, etc?
Love the review, always great information. When it comes to the size of the lock, is it best to get the smallest lock that fits over the tire? Or the cast iron spokes? And is it better to place the lock over the tire or through the spokes? Last (annoying question), better to place the lock on the front tire or the rear tire?
Some will claim the front wheel gets removed but there's very little evidence of that in motorcycle theft, and very unlikely.
A lock over the wheel is great, but over cast spokes seems to be fine too as even on my test wheel with no disc, I couldn't get the grinder in to attack the spokes.
Cheers,
John
John, what sort of disks did you use? I am tempted to buy two of these and test one destructively with a couple of different grinding disks. The dewalt one looks pretty good though, diablo and norton make some really good cutting wheels.
Can you test the Squire Stronghold D16/230 in your next review please? It's powered cycle gold and bicycle diamond, but I can't find a destructive test that I can trust.
I'm looking for an alternative to the Litelok X1 or Abus Granit
What do you recommend for a trike/electric trike? I am so worried about it getting stolen I hardly take it out. I've found it's hard to fit the best locks because the two tires means the U locks can't reach to whatever you're trying to secure it to.
It's interesting that lock picking isn't currently a common problem but how long will that be the case if locks become uncuttable?
I can't see it - it's just not possible on the street for any but the most skilled. Things can always be cut, but it's time... And there'll always be plenty of people who don't lock their bikes or don't use as effective kit.
People like LPL practice for hours every day to maintain their skill (he just posted an hour video showing his practice routine). I don't think many thieves are going to have that level of dedication when it doesn't take any skill to grind a lock.
Why doesn't someone create a lock with mesh/kevlar woven in-between the metal, surely that would instantly stop the blades
You create a great defense for one thing but make it weak for other attacks.
Buying this for my Honda SH125i scooter
Also, Bosch’s X lock cutting disc system allows for swapping discs almost instantaneously, which makes any tests based solely on the ordinary way of attaching discs to angle-grinders partially valid in respect of time required to cut the lock with ordinary abrasive discs. The performance of those vary considerably between brands (ua-cam.com/video/7Ase0GXjx4w/v-deo.html), and it cannot be said that in general it takes 10 abrasive based cutting disks to cut through the lock’s rod. Sure, they are good locks for deterring the kids from stealing bicycles and motorbikes.
Thankyou John and Bennetts - fantastic video and I have just ordered a DX1000. Could I ask a question? Which is the most resistant to an angle grinder - a pragmasis 19mm protector chain or the DX1000? Thanks!
Thanks! Overall, the DX1000 is even more resistant than the chain (but that's still very good!). Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial Much appreciated!
Nice review John, I’m looking to get a D Lock either the Hiplok or Litelok really for out and about, at home at the moment anyway I live in a very low crime area. I wonder how the Guardsman garage security barrier does, not sure if you’ve ever reviewed this?
Very few of the items I review are done as videos - you really need to check the BikeSocial website. www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/garage-and-home-security/guardsman-security-barrier-review-destruction-test
Thank you, great video, After a bad experience with an attempted theft, I am using both a litelok X3 and a hiplok D1000. I have a question about something in the video. Did you say that having the lock go over the entire wheel on the front wheel is better than the cast spoke on a either wheel? why is that?
Sorry to hear that, but great you have such good kit now!
Sorry - I meant both work well, assuming the cast spoke is fairly inaccessible to a grinder. Hope that makes sense. Cheers, John
Having it over the entire wheel is better than a cast spoke generally though.
Really good video 👍 My German sheppard sleeps in my shed with my bike 😂😂
A D1000 cut within 33 seconds using a metal diamond cutting disc:
ua-cam.com/users/shortsIjHOWh3uHo4?feature=shared
Click-bait garbage I'm afraid... Can you explain to me please how the body of the lock has been removed to cut that part of the shackle? Cutting that section - the bottom of the latching pins - is impossible without either unlocking it, or cutting off the body of the lock
Hi John what lock would you say is better? The Hiplock D1000 or the Litelok X3 in regards to protection against angle grinders
@@alexhoe02 Here you go... ua-cam.com/video/JVqNCv_p7Ug/v-deo.html
Great video, cheers! How does it compare to the litelok?
It has a bigger shackle, and the combined attack resistance is slightly higher, but at this level it's academic
Hi , I have a sym jet x 125 ( new rider ) . I'm looking at getting the DX1000 but they have an offer on atm for the d1000 plus the chain for the same price as the dx1000. What would be the best option in people's opinion?
Tethering the bike to something would be even better, but with the DX you could go over the wheel. And the DX will be more likely to suit whatever you get next. It's an investment
The was my thinking too , it should arrive today . Thanks for your input . Keep up the sterling work 💪. @@bennettsbikesocial
Any1 got an idea or ideas on on how to cary the dx1000 on an electric scooter like apollo city besides putting it in a bag
Would you lock it to the anchor every time you leave your bike at home? Even when it’s in the garage?
Yes - why have security and not use it?
Thanks for the idea for the "HipLok" wearable bicycle lock, unfortunately while reaching for my Hiplok on my belt I was shot 3 times for reaching. Luckily the cop was a bad shot and hit my "HipLok" 3 times.
Lucky me. Still a good idea. Next time I'll carry it in my backpack. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Would this be good with a ebike. I own a talaria x3 and worried if you lock to the front wheels they can just take it off and lift it on a pickup
BUy two of them, one for each wheel
i dont understand how anchors work out in public if u can explain or make a video how to use the anchor plz and ty
Lol he said the anchors are for at home use only. You don't bolt those to the ground out in public 😂
Hello. For my bike .what you recommend. I keep my bike next to my flat . In a small compartment..thank you
Have a watch of this ua-cam.com/video/JVqNCv_p7Ug/v-deo.html
How does litelok x1 hold out against diamond disks
how about the smaller version DXF1000 (the wearable hiplock, 14mm) ? How good is this smaller version? Nobody tested it!
That's not designed for motorcycles, and doesn't have the same construction. If you want a smaller one, have a look at the D1000. Cheers, John
Does anyone know if the old Hiplok 1000 will fit through the middle of a BMW R1200 GS Adventure wheel?
Yes, but you need to take the silicone sleeve off to do it. I wrapped mine in insulation tape. Best bet is to get the new DX1000 though. They'll be available soon...
Which dlock is the best out of them all and takes longest to get through ?. Thanks.
Check out the new video, which has them all in: ua-cam.com/video/JVqNCv_p7Ug/v-deo.html
@@bennettsbikesocial Thanks.
Love your videos!!! I have a question :D,
What bike would you recomend Gsx s1000 2020 and on or Z900 same year?
I would use it for joy rides and traveling once a year for 2000km or so over 2 weaks.
190cm hight and 130kg :D.
Blimey, that's off-topic! I like the Z900 myself, but it depends what prefer! Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocialthank you so much!
Was hoping that you would say gsxs1000 :D.
Could you give me short awnser why is z900 better? Smoother ride? Better handeling etc?.
Thank you
I just like the styling more. If you like the Suzuki, go for it!
@@bennettsbikesocialoh, nice. Because i like the styling more on gsx :D.
Thank you for your awnsers
@@SatansBaby1 go for it! Both great bikes!
How long are the bolts please?
DX1000 OR LITELOK X3 which is. Est in your opinion
You know what else would be a useful? A device that detects angle grinder or drill noise and sends you a notification.
Are you better off with two Litelok X1’s or 1 DX1000 for the same price?
Good question! If you can put them front and back, I'd say probably two X1s
I went to buy the set but can't seem to find it. How much and when are they released?
Have a look on the Hiplok website. Details are on there
Does anybody know if it fits over the wheel of an yamaha Mt09 front or rear?
Best bet is to measure the wheel and check it against the dimension in the review: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/hiplok-dx1000-review-home-away-security Cheers, John
Very frustrating: I tried to add the DX1000 as my security device on my Bennetts insurance but apparently only the D1000 is on the list, so they won’t recognise this device. So in order to be insured I now have to keep using a weaker lock! Why do a Bennetts review of a device you won’t insure?!?
This is the same case (at the time of posting) for all insurance providers, not just Bennetts, as they all have access to the same list. Some are just quicker to update their own internal systems from it than others. The Hiplok 1000 range was submitted to the insurance industry for inclusion in February (I know, because I'm the one that does it) due to its Sold Secure Diamond certification, but it takes time to filter through. However, I've gone into more detail in this video. Does your policy require a secondary security device? If so, you can try using 'unknown mechanical device' in this case. ua-cam.com/video/JVqNCv_p7Ug/v-deo.html
What's the difference between this and previous D1000? As all I got was that it's slightly bigger. Anything else?
That's it really for the D-Lock - how important that is will depend on your bike and how you use the lock
@@bennettsbikesocial thank you buddy much appreciated. Well we'll see the price difference then go from there
@@512460 as far as I know, on Kickstarter at the moment it's the same price, then it'll be dearer
@@bennettsbikesocial had a peek at the kick starter the price is basically the sane as the current D1000 and it doesn't release until April 24. That's some time away.
Thanks for all your information nevertheless
Where do i buy the dx1000 lock
Have a look at the Hiplok website - they're starting it on Kickstarter first, but you can trust it as they did that with the D1000 too. It's already beat its target. Cheers, John hiplok.com/1000-series/
What's better? Buying this or litelok x3?
Both very good locks. Read the reviews of both here: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security
this lock isn't available to buy now, won't be ready til next year sometime.
So this compared to the litelok X3 what do you think is the best??
Here you go... ua-cam.com/video/JVqNCv_p7Ug/v-deo.html
@@bennettsbikesocial almost got the litelok X3 but I’ll get the DX instead. Thanks.
Is it big enough to slip through the hollow in the middle of a BMW wheel?
Do you mean the rear wheel axle? On my 2019 GS it's not quite long enough to pile through enough to lock it. It will pass through the holes in the hub though, like the original D1000.
@@bennettsbikesocial I do indeed, that's a shame really. It'd be nice to see a u lock that'll fit in that area. I'd like to see someone get that off...
@@piggymito there'd be no advantage over attacking really as the top of the shackle would still be exposed. Of course, it would stop them removing the wheel! For hole use, if you want to do that have a look at the Pragmasis Super Dooper Anti Pinch pin.
@@bennettsbikesocial thanks for the advice 😁
The marketing for this needs to be
‘Thicker than the scum it defeats’
Are HIPLOK DX1000 to heavy as a commute e-bike lock?
I wouldn't say so, and given the value and ease of theft of e-bikes, I'd want a proper lock on it like this if I had one. Here's the full review: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/hiplok-dx1000-review-home-away-security
In real life unless a lock can be picked with a shim or a wave rack, very little change your lock will be picked.
Agreed! The problem is people get convinced it's commonplace, but the average thief won't be picking.
Why not using Dimond disc for metal ?
Diamond discs are in the video! It's even marked in the chapters!
But they are not use against lock itself in the video , , just on heavy duty chain, why ?
Plus did someone try to cut in the middle of lock cylinder?
LockPickingLawyer only shows videos of successful attacks. He doesn't do failure.
Good point.
I use the hiplock chain when out and about and lock 🔐 to utility poles!
A lock like that is only as good as the anchor 😅these locks are so expensive £300 or whatever it is when you can get a diamond 💎 sold secure D locks 🔐 for £50 😮when you go out on your bike and see 100’s of e-bikes riding illegally and scooter guys doing the same you know the police do not give a toss imagine if your bike got stolen they would not give two craps which is why you need security the bike thieves are another problem altogether
For what it might be worth, putting freely rotating chrome moly slugs inside the straight part of the shackles would take forever and a day to cut through.
Just sayin…