Hit-Air review coming to the written article soon. The Alpinestars Tech-Air 5 isn't in this video as I didn't have one available to me when I was shooting it. However, it IS in the written review that this video is a part of. That will also be kept updated as other systems get reviewed. Also, the Furygan and Ixon airbags here use the same bladders as those that are in RST, Klim, Held and others. www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/motorcycle-armour-and-base-layers/best-motorcycle-airbag-vest-jacket
I was hoping to see the Alpinestars Tech Air 7X reviewed, which has been out for a while now, it's not in the video or the article. Apart from that great info and presentation. Will be interesting to see how this technology develops in the next couple of years. Also, can airbag manufacturers please stop plastering AIRBAG or other advertising type writing all over the outside. I'm not being paid to advertise your product and it looks awful, in my opinion. Just stop it, nobody wants to ride around like a mobile billboard.
do Hit-Air have a UK distributor yet ? ALSO, especially as UK sellers are still in short supply (SBS I'm looking at you :D ) ,how does sizing come up for the Motoairbag range ?
Tech air 5 has great shoulder coverage which most lack. 2 operations and a year later my shoulder is still stuffed. I've no doubt the tech air 5 would have saved it
I tested my dianesse airbag jacket high siding my bike. It was a big crash. The airbag covered my front. No damage. My spine was heavily protected. No damage. My side was unprotected. 8 broken ribs and a smash scapula. Punctured lung. It saved my life.
@@bennettsbikesocial thanks mate. The electronics got confused. Only doing 50mph. Snapped the power shut throwing me onto the bars. As I held on for grim death, the throttle was wound right back. Went off up the road like a bucking bronco. My mate reckons it got to 70-80mph before spitting me off. Airbag definitely saved me. You need the full protection right around you. Dianesse jacket worked perfectly. The other thing I learnt is textile riding kit is only good to 70 mph. My kit was destroyed, but I only had friction burns. Keep your kit receipts. 50% reduction on your insurance claim if you don’t have them.
You and your channel (and other Brit channels) put US bike journalism on YT to shame. The effort you put into the research and production shows how seriously your country takes motorcycling. Here, we can't even get dedicated parking spaces in most cities. Keep up the solid work! 👍
Thanks! Sadly I think that paid reviews and affiliate payments are too tempting for too many people. Plus I'm lucky that I get paid whatever people choose!
Honestly even the critical ones, like F9, say some absolutely asinine things about safety gear. Ryan can ride a bike off road way better than most, but he needs STFU when he says you can take out your crash pads because they don't seem to work. He keeps proving he doesn't get it and doesn't consults medical professionals.
I was losing the will to live at the start of the video however I am glad I watched it to the end, a fantastic comprehensive unbiased view so thank you, I will be hunting one down at the NEC on Saturday. If you have saved one life your video was worth it so well done, you should be applauded.
I can certainly vouch for all the injury stuff as I am a poster child for the effects of hyperextension. 25 years ago I had car pull out on me and lost my right arm (Traumatic Brachial Plexus injury), permanently lost my right lung (phenic nerve injury) put my broken ribs through my lungs, broke my back (transverse process fractures), put my teeth through my lips and even ended up with Horner's syndrome (face/eye nerve damage). Just the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm highly functional (have pain meds to help) and I'm lucky enough to have an ordinary life (ordinary is underrated and unappreciated). I kept the right arm for 5 years just in case there was any chance of a recovery but there was no change, so I decided to amputate with an above elbow amputation. What saved me apart from good luck? My Arai RX-7 helmet (no brain damage - I've been tested), my fitness (I was a regular gym goer beforehand and in hospital I had tachycardia (resting heart rate was around 120bpm) and went from 84kg to 67kg in three weeks), two nurses following in a car (for a roadside tracheostomy). What did I learn? Somethings are out of your control so relax, go with the flow, and celebrate the little victories (whether that was standing up in hospital, walking a lap around the ward, having my own shower, removal of feeding tube (they fed me through the nose as the helmet strap crushed my windpipe) and even wiping my bum). At no point did I think that riding a motorcycle was not risky, and that this could've (and did) happen to me. Anyway, I'll be getting the helite system as I still ride a MT-09 SP and an Africa Twin DCT that's modified (of course) for left arm only. My advice to you is to buy the best helmet you can afford as I was next to the head trauma ward in rehab and what those patients/medical staff/families deal with is awful and made my orthopedic injuries a walk in the park.
What a terrible event in your life. I am glad you are still positive and able to enjoy the thrill and fun of motorcycling. Back in the late 1970s, I was lucky enough to be part of a team of British Pro-Skaters who competed in California against their pros. At one of the skateparks, "the Big O" in Anaheim, Orange County I met an inspirational guy. He had one leg. He was a US Motocross champion and lost his leg saving his family when their house went on fire. At the time, he couldn't get back on a bike, but he took up skateboarding. With the aid of some crutches (just for starting and stopping) he could still ride the 5m vertical pools and pipes at the Big O. You put me in mind of him. There are some who will lie down and let life kick them, and others who tell it to F@ck Off! That's not knocking those who let it win, just that the mind is far mightier than the body. Well done!
@@fj5434 Spidi leather jacket, Dianese gloves, Alphinestar boots. I was wearing ordinary jeans but apart from the helmet my gear was in pretty good shape. But they were destroyed by the medical team as they just cut the stuff off to get to you faster when you arrive in the ED. I think the jacket had a back protector, but it was pretty lightweight. I had decent gear, but they type of accident really made most of my gear moot. The helmet was the thing that made the difference, I couldn't imagine trying to rationalize what was happening with a head/brain injury.
@@bennettsbikesocial No worries. I'm super happy that you delved into the injuries as far as you did. Your work will help many by hopefully getting more people using airbags (I think they're a great safety device) but even if they don't, they know the consequences. If the worst thing happens they know that they made an informed decision.
Clicked on this video for an everyday review of some airbags and got swindled into a lecture about the mechanics of life changing injuries on bodyparts we usually don't protect enough, and i'm all for it
This is the GOLDEN video of motorcycle airbags. I was in a motorcycle accident and my Helite Turtle 2 saved my neck and back and chest from any damage. Saved a very expensive hospital bill and surgery.
I genuinely believe that Bennetts is the best Motorcycling UA-cam channel when it comes to real consumer advice and motorcycling information. Since I started riding in June I have found so many videos incredibly helpful even looking way back in the catalogue. I might not be able to get insured with Bennetts competitively but the £6 a month is well worth it for the social membership.
Couldn’t agree more….what an excellent piece of work….outstanding and a must watch. What is interesting is that I am a so called “advanced rider” and a blood biker in Cornwall with crap road conditions for much of the year….none of the BB team wear an air bag as far as I am aware….even though some of us own the Turtle 2 (we were given them). Makes absolutely no sense….and a story I have heard on many occasions. Whilst cost may be an issue….many of those citing this are sitting on a bike with a £700 end can! So, something else needs to be overcome…are you not a real biker if you wear one???
I wear an In&Motion airbag. Two summers ago while riding in Corsica I hit some gravel midcorner, lost control of the bike, ended on the gravel strip next to the tarmac, hit with the front wheel a sand heap which had been left next to the road after some past road works. As the bike came to an abrupt stop, I was thrown over the handlebars and came down on my back after that salto. I had only just lift off that I heard and felt the airbag deploying. I didn’t have a single bruise, only scratches on my vest. I exchanged the cannister and I was good to go again albeit very shaken and shakey. A friend of mine was hit by a car coming on the motorway from the accelaration lane, he didn’t check his mirrors, it was a bad accident, the motorbike was completely destroyed and again the airbag prevented worse things. Another thing, I have fallen from my bike while coming to a stand because there was some fuel on the wet road and I momentarily lost my footing but on that occassion the airbag didn’t go off, so it seems to be a very clever algorithm that relies on the accelaration forces. Excellent presentation, again!
Intreesting Carlo, me and another lady had, on the other hand, a defective In&Motion airbag once we needed. Our bladders immediately deflated due to a 3 mm diameter hole. Kinf of what you see at minute 29.
John, never stop being you. I mean it, you’re doing great work here. Between your work and GeekTest Bennetts should be very very pleased with how their brand is represented. Morbid? My man, safety is about preventing the accidents we try to avoid. Morbid would be the attitude I see amongst those in all risk sports who pretend what we do isn’t dangerous. This is just great consumer advice. Chapeau. By the by: I’m quite vain and was very happy when the Alpinestars TechAir3 Canvas came out. But it’s been available in the US for half a year and still no European release? Any reason for this?
Absolutely, John is unique. Fabulous work. I was tempted by the TechAir 3 but have read quite a few troubling stories about it (airbag not activating, firing for no reason etc…).
I have the canvas tech air 3 and rode east to west coast in the USA over the summer with it over a riding jacket in brutal temperatures and it was flawless, battery life is honestly amazing, 8000 miles and I charged it 4 times. Outside of a helmet it’s the best safety investment I have ever made for biking and I can’t see myself ever riding without one again
Thanks SO much! Yeah, I only found the canvas one while researching this and it looks great! Maybe it'll appear in the UK and Europe if we're lucky. The Tech-Air 3 did have an issue with false deployment but it was most likely due to that long delay before disarming. Mine hasn't fired accidentally since the firmware update, and I've really tried! Cheers, John
Hi John. Thanks for a very informative review. I'll be 65 in March 2025 and as most older riders will confirm, as we age we don't bend like we used to. I'd never given any consideration to road going air bag systems but your article has really opened my eyes. I plan to do a lot of touring in 2025 so I'll be buying a system early in the new year. Best wishes to you and all your viewers, keep safe and have fun folks.
Haven't watched this yet but I'm thankful y'all are coving this. I've been extremely skeptical of the almost lock-step endorsement of airbags in the same week with the release of a certain Dainese product. Also been distinctly disappointed with F9's fairly thin critique of the established armor standards. I'm a non-UK viewer who greatly benefits from your work and I hope it remains sustainable for the future.
Thank you so much for this! I've been looking at picking up an airbag for a long time now but I've found them so hard to compare on my own so I never pulled the trigger on one. I'm feeling a lot more confident in my purchase now, thank you!
This video is pure information gold John. It could literally save lives. I'm nearly recovered from an accident in march where I was rear ended at a red light where my body totaled the car that hit me ;), I did not have a back protector or airbag so I am fully aware I was inifinitely lucky to not have spinal damage. Definitely won't make that mistake again!
As soon as I became a Dad, I bought a Tech Air 5. It deployed once on a very low speed drop (brake checked and my non ABS brake skills are poorly honed these days). The bladder actually burst from this single deploy, yet its rated for 3. I complained under consumer rights rather than warranty and managed to be able to pay for the cost of a refill only rather than a new bladder as it's not much off a whole new jacket then! Alpinestars have my money, and my one piece now has to be A*s, but they have the right data volumes and users to tweak their algorithms correctly (I work in Data science/ AI and this is a HUGE often overlooked factor). I also like that they use Argon instead of CO2 which means it inflates faster. I have an old snowboard back injury (degen disc and buldging discs) and a reconstructed shoulder ACJ from wakeboarding so I've always worn Forcefield CE2 jackets underneath my leathers, but an airbag is much much more comfortable! The only downside is you cant really wash them, and in summer it can be hot and sweaty... A friend died at Donnington Park recently by being hit from behind by another rider and I always wonder if an airbag would have meant a different outcome... maybe not at those speeds, and each crash if different but having one thats allowed on track (some dont allow tethered) is a risk Id really encourage noone takes. Especially not when there are so many nutters on the roads and on stolen or crashed bikes at track days who ride like theyve nothing to loose... other riders still have plenty.
You don’t realise how long I been waiting for this John, massive thanks and appreciation for your hard work and detail you’ve clearly put into your research. I’ve read all the marketing spiels from all manufacturers but nothing comes close to the unbiased informative demonstration you put on show, which in turn will allow me to make the right choice. Hats off to to you 👏👏👏
John your videos and the insights they bring are the best motorcycle related consumer info out there. Thank you for all the effort, it really shows! And Helen’s pillion insights are very much included in this too!!
MotorAirBag is very impressive. I look forward to reading your write up. I have an anecdotal experience wearing the Alpinestars Techair Offroad. Collision at 15-27mph(wasn't watching the speedometer on impact and I experienced some time dilation so I can't be sure). It was an impact with someone turning across my lane. I was launched off the bike, into and over the hood, then onto my butt(which actually really hurt). My torso was completely undamaged from the impact. No broken ribs, no bruises. I had a finger fracture and a back injury from landing, along with various soft tissue injuries in my legs from getting cartwheeled. I'm inclined to think the airbag protected my chest and probably would have protected my back if I landed on it. I think the armor probably kept me from getting elbow and shoulder damage(I can see where it discolored scraping across the car). Likely aided in keeping my chest totally unharmed too. I like that the MotorAirbag almost seems to girdle you. Because I wondered if I had been wearing a weight belt if that would have protected my back. Hard to say, maybe it was better to let it flex. I like the design though, and the locking tether seems like a good compromise between the speed of electronically activated inflation and mechanical certainty. I'll also say recharge cost doesn' matter much to me. If I can walk awak from another crash like that I'm taking the hint and hanging it up, at least on the street.
I must add that the helo evac gentleman mentioned not encountering any crashes with airbag use, possibly because they are safer riders or older. But perhaps another reason is any incidents with a rider using an airbag did not require a helo evac because they did what they are designed for.
You're right, but I do think that was partly what he was trying to say. Believe it or not, for such an awesome guy who's dealt with so much, he was nervous in front of the camera! Cheers, John
About as thorough as it gets. Thank you. I had one of the first Tech Air 5 airbags to come to market and had a false deployment when in motion which was so unpleasant it put me off wearing them altogether. After a year or so with only passive protection I gave it another chance and have to say the algorithms have evolved to the point I’m sometimes surprised it doesn’t accidentally deploy in really bumpy conditions. I believe you have to ask yourself, if I’m launched off my bike for whatever reason in the worst circumstances, what do I want to be wearing. I’d rather be wearing an airbag than not. One small point I’d make is that I’m not sure the anvil test on a bare airbag is entirely accurate. I am sure an airbag under a leather jacket will behave somewhat differently in terms of air displacement and impact dissipation, etc. My current model is the Rev’It airbag. You get Alpinestars R&D and all the data they have accumulated together with Rev’it quality and customer service.
I agree - I prefer to have one all the time now, and the algorithms have definitely improved. Yes, it's possible that some outer garments could affect the results, though we'd need to do more testing, and then there'd still be a lot of variables. Good point though. Cheers, John
Totally worth the time to watch. This is BY FAR, the best information on motorcycle airbags I've ever encountered. Everyone who rides needs to watch this. I hope you'll update as warranted. I really appreciate the effort and expense which went into this.
Keep making videos like this man, absolutely love the time and effort put into it aswell as the presentation. Also I love the chapter transitions. Think they're cool 👍🏽
Hi John. Fantastic video as ever. The amount of research you have clearly done is evident. One question; airbags aside, if chest protection is so important as stated by the paramedic, why do so few motorcycle jackets (aside from the really expensive ones) have chest protectors or indeed the ability to add one?
I needed a video like this! I daily commute and have been looking into airbag vests. You're not trying to sell me anything you're just giving me the info I need as a rider, I appreciate that!
Wow me and the wife travel around Europe on our Gs and have been using the cheap Chinese air bags because of the lack of coverage for tall riders , I tested mine after buying it Airbag para moto Fuangiv 2020 part 1 Airbag para moto Fuangiv 2020 part 2 Airbag para moto Fuangiv 2020 part 3 '' Then '' I thought it performed well but now I believe the Motoairbag MAB v4 Airbag Vest looks a better bet . Thanks for the video👍
Brilliant!! I’ve ridden with a Helite airbag for the last 8 years or so and I don’t go anywhere without it. But perhaps it’s time to change - the V4 looks to give much better protection methinks. Thanks again for all you do to keep us informed - really appreciate it!
I returned to riding at 48 and my A-stars TechAir 5 was one of my first purchases. Two years later, I will not ride without it. I charge it after each ride when I arrive home. I chose the Tech-Air 5 for the built in back protector, collar bone protection, & rib protection. The TechAir5 is like a little safety blanket!
Now this is how reviews should be done. Getting tired of the youtube shill channels marketing crap chinese so called safety products and not giving a damn if they are safety rated or not. The number of heated glove videos being recommended this week is ridiculous. Apparently saying "they look good to me" is all anyone needs to know when it comes to the safety of these products.. Laughable and it's time the ASA stepped up and put a stop to them.
Well done test!I did my research before buying my airbag as well and I came to the conclusion that Motoairbag was the best for me. Sure it's bulky and a bit heavy but has no compromises in terms of safety. I love the fact that you can upgrade your V2 to a v3 and a V3 to a v4 for a fee, so you have always the latest model without spending a lot of money.
Regarding mechanical vs. electronic debate - I am senior software developer/IT integrator working in RF comms with 14+ years experience. There is near zero chance you'd convince me to go with electronic airbag (I went with Helite Turtle tethered system).
I used Helite GP with tether and passed to Helite electronic. I have each year at least a couple of falls on the track. Both worked well, tethered before, and the electronic now. Electronic worked well in four falls since July 2023, first one was at 160km/h low side, the second one was I was rear ended on full lean at 70km/h, in both cases I did a couple of 360° turns before falling first time to ground (grass) and second time to gravel. In this year I fell twice in rain, once at 100 km/h low side, and second time at 60 km/h. All falls were with new electronic system. It protected me well. I must reiterate that I carry back protector in addition to airbag jacket.
@@CyberGasty The issue I have is when you use electronic airbags on the street. Even manufacturers themselves admit that since they also use GPS for detecting crashes, they cannot guarantee activation inside tunnels, parking garages etc. plus if speed is lower than X amount (in&motion, Helite without fork sensor), they will not activate. This is obviously not an issue when going flat out on a racetrack but in stop-go traffic it is. There are regular posts on Reddit of electronic airbags not activating (Alpinestars is quite common) and then add the fact that you need to keep an eye on the state of charge of the battery for the airbag... At the end of the day inside every electronic airbag there is software that reads GPS, gyro, accelerometer data and decided if its gonna activate or not. No software is 100% reliable. But no matter if its electronic or mechanical - any airbag is better than none. I also wear motorcycle jacket with full passive armor under my airbag and since I use Helite as well I am happy to hear it has saved you from injuries.
@@CyberGasty The main issue is that electronic airbags also use GPS for detecting crashes. If you look at In&Motion's owner manual for example they do not guarantee activation if you're driving in tunnels or parking garages. Also when you're stationary, going really slow or for the first 10 s of driving, the electronic airbags will not activate (exceptions, as far as I know, are Helite WITH added fork sensor, Alpinestars new off-road airbag). This is obviously not an issue on the track since you're never stationary or going slow but in stop&go traffic it is. At the end of the day electronic airbags are basically software that constantly reads GPS, accelerometer and gyro data is deciding if you're crashing or not. As someone who spends unhealthy amount of time writing and fixing code I can guarantee you that there is no such thing as 100% foolproof software. Mechanical tether is simple and it works 100% of the time unless its damaged or not being used as it should (user sets the tether too long for example). But no matter if you use electronic or mechanical - any airbag is better than no airbag. I have a airbag and I still wear my motorcycle jacket with full armor under it without any discomfort. As a Helite user am I happy that it kept you free of any major injury and I hope it will continue to do so in the future.
I read your written report on Bike social when you first published it a few weeks ago and was so impressed with the level of detail, the video just adds another amazing dimension, this video will save lives. I bought a tethered Helite H-moov rucksack airbag last week, not anywhere near as much protection as the M4, but I new I would wear it every time I ride, I couldn't say that about the M4. I just hope that Helite come out with a similar tether system as it looks amazing. Thank you John for so much effort, you deserve a raise, then you can buy the 1300 GS. 😀
Ha, I don't think that'll happen, but luckily I still love my 1250. The most important thing is that you have something you're comfortable in and will wear. All the best, John
I brought my Helite E Moov backpack just about a year ago now. At the time the only back pack option available. I wear it every ride without fail with in full backpack mode or just as the airbag. No deployments needed so far. I find it comfortable and can wear it over anything. After watching this I am probably going to add a chest protector to my kit. Hopefully I'll never need it. Agree with the air ambulance guy. The people who can afford them and think about them are more mature and most likely safer riders anyway. I will get mine serviced when it's needed. Will expect a great deal more models will be out in the next 3 years when I think about replacing it. Great video. Really interesting. Thank you.
God bless you for this and all your videos. Clear simple English language and the vital topic makes this video great but your own delivery is what makes the difference. Stay well my friend and keep riding.
I've always wondered why so many jackets excluded chest armour or even pockets, I made it a priority for all my jackets. I have a Helite too but bit disappointed about the chest protection but do like the fact it protects hips as well
Thank you for this video. I'm using an airbag for over 8 years. I startet with the Helite Turtle and since 4 years I've got the Gimoto V-Race 3.0 RR (mechanic).
Been wearing a Tech-Air offroad for right about a year now. Having the passive protection for minor off-road falls is great, and knowing I have the airbag if I have a big one, or get hit on the road.
Great Video, as always! I am currently on my second Helite Turtle 2. The first one was ruined during an accident. I accidentally flipped the bike, landing head and shoulder first before sliding a little. My beloved Speed Triple was a write-off, as was my air vest. But I had no injuries. Well, maybe a fractured collarbone, but I didn't find out about that until about a year later. But new Helmet, Jacket, Trousers, Gloves, Cardo Air vest, and Bike. I love being out on the bike and going away with friends, but having a young family means I must buy the best....safety gear. Thank you for these videos, they really are a fantastic watch!
So glad you're okay! No airbag is likely to save a collarbone sadly, as it's usually broken by an outstretched arm. Or if you're unlucky you get a torn rotator cuff instead (yeah, that was me). Cheers, John
I was in a horrific accident where i got t- boned, was wearing helite turtle e airbag, escaped with a few rib fractures and wrist fracture. I am a trained spine surgeon and deal with plenty road vehicle accident patients, neck and pelvic injuries in addition to chest are probably major critical injuries. I have found helite turtle 2 giving best coverage of these areas. Its designed to be worn over a jacket so chest protection is covered there. Was very easy to recharge, just replaced my cartridge. The review was great but did not emphasize much on pelvic protection . Patients who survive and have pelvic fractures have lots of challenges in life.
Really glad to read that Praveen! I also own an eTurtle and I'm terrified of being T-boned one day, to me it's the worst crash you can have on a motorbike (save, perhaps, going down the mountain after flying over a guardrail!). Happy to see it does seem to protect you fairly well. So glad you came out ok from the crash.
Just to be clear for anyone else reading this exchange, the E-Turtle 2 and Turtle 2 do not protect the Pelvis. They also wouldn't be likely to deploy in a T-bone incident before the damage was done (as would likely be the case with most systems).
I appreciate what you've done here. This is a monumental amount of work. As to which standard is "best", that can only be the standards that have published testing procedures and results.
Ha! No. I was just (even more) annoying as a kid, always asking "why" and always taking stuff apart. Which I guess worked out okay in the end. Cheers, John
I currently don't ride... and motorcycle kit has moved on tremendously... but I thoroughly enjoyed this factual (no bs) video. Thank you very interesting. 😊
Thank you for this video. I did personal research into airbags a couple of months ago here in Australia. I mostly commute so slow speed deployment was a big question.i also have gear and didn't want to spend $ on new jackets to fit an air bag. I was mostly disappointed about the options available and the costs involved. I couldn't get any assurance about effectiveness for slow speed. In fact the sellers are rather cagey about giving clear info. Tech air 5 isn't available here and the Aust distributor won't warranty it if obtained overseas. The Dainese just doesn't cover enough and only the old model available, and the refit cost here is madness. I decided on the helite turtle as best available here. But I can get no communication response from helite at all! I really like the look of the MAB M1. It ticks all my boxes. I'm just waiting to see if I can get it here in Australia.
@@bennettsbikesocial where did you see free shipping? The response from MAB indicated 50euro shipping All up including our GST tax, it would be near $1500 Aust
@@brisbaneswords8563 I was entering Australia into the MotoAirBag website. Maybe the tax agreements with Australia are different to the UK and something changes further into the checkout process. It'd be worth checking with MotoAirBag by contacting them direct though.
Thanks for all the work that went into this John, very informative. I've been wearing an Ixon in&motion airbag for three years... a few notes from my experiences: - Wearing the airbag makes you significantly warmer, with a leather jacket I get very uncomfortable over 20°C hence switch to mesh - I hope that as airbags develop they will find ways to improve airflow (ladder bladder rather than sausage?). Did you ever see the Rev'it April fools vented airbag? - People seem to be pretty anti the in&motion subscription model.. it has worked reasonably well for me as my control box developed a fault and was replaced free of charge within a week. Customer service was excellent. - It would be much better if there was a charging port in the vest. Having to remove the controller to charge it is a bit of a pain. If you go a few weeks between rides it will go flat so you need to remember to keep it charged... couldn't the app send you some reminders on battery level? As you develop this investigation could you help us understand the differences between the systems available to the public and those used in racing. I suspect the RST in&motion systems you get in their off the peg and M2M suits are the same for national level racers and the great unwashed... is this true of the systems used in Moto GP? It would be interesting to understand the differences.
Great video - i read the article about a month ago and got the MotoAirbag v4. I wanted the head/neck stabilization, the tether gadget for quicker deployment, user replaceable cartridges (bought an extra set), and (less importantly) the removable sleeves. Thanks for all the work - I had been looking for many months before I found your article.
Thank you for this video. I can't begin to imagine how much research must have gone into this. I will be looking to buy a motoairbag for next year. Out of interest, an article on first aid kits would be brilliant I think it's really important we all carry one on our bikes. Things like bleed dressings, tourniquet and vent aids are a must for me. It would be great if you could explore this even if it saves just one life!
I put off getting an airbag for my 2024 riding season which just ended (winter). Part of it was cost and availability and laziness. Each ride, even though I'm CE2 head to toe, had that small part of me thinking "do I want to ride now or after the air bag vest is purchased." I felt like tempting fate. Was/am leaning toward a Helite e-Turtle. Thank you for the absolute best objective info I've ever seen!
Thanks for watching. It should simply be down to personal choice, and do make sure you find the right balance for you of comfort, convenience and coverage. Cheers, John
Thank you for the hard work, the time and effort you put into making unbiased informative contents about everything you do. This one, came just in time as I was considering options. You make it easier to have a well informed decision for all of us.
I have been a huge proponent for airbags since I started riding and I absolutely love this video and I learned a lot more especially with the two different methods of testing! I know you can't test all the airbags but I do find it a shame you didn't mention the airbags range from Rst. They make some great jackets with build in airbags from in&motion and for a competitive price. I feel that because the airbag is build in to the jacket it's less likely to be forgotten, also it's less cumbersome.
Amazing comparison! Thank you from Italy (i decided to buy the Motoairbag M1! i really like the complete chest protection and the full spine coverage) unfortunately here in Italy airbags are not appealing to the average biker, in the future i hope this topic will bring much more attention to younger riders like me and to spread informations about the safety features of these devices. they can literally change the outcome of a bad crash, just like a good quality helmet.
Great indepth and unbiased video as always. I think we need to start seeing more jackets with airbags built in. Any additional faff and bulk with any form of protection (motorcycle or otherwise) as humans we often get lazy and don't bother, the "it's only up the road" syndrome kicks in. I'm bad enough for not being arsed to wrestle on my one piece rain oversuit and getting annoyed with the added bulk and restriction of it. I really do see the benefits of these airbag systems but I know the remembering to charge it, teather/unteather it and wadlling around like Bibendum would be frustrating 😂
Thank you for the excellent video. It wasn't morbid at all, in my opinion. You were talking about protection from severe injury, not their colour schemes. 😊
Great - really pleased to have seen this. Was actually thinking of investigating an airbag at the NEC this weekend, but now I feel a lot clearer about what I’m looking for
I'm on my second Helite now (wore out the first one) Had several fairly light crashes, always walked away. Didn't always ride away. Are they the best? No clue, but they worked 100% for me so far.
Dan - the Advanced paramedic, at around 19 minutes in, talking about vertebrae around getting more fragile the higher up the spine they are is why I got my airbag jacket - to give me an instant neck brace should the worst happen. Another thing I always look at, with this in mind, is helmet weight. Yes, it's got to be strong and preferably aero and quiet but remember a heavy helmet will put a lot more strain on your neck in an accident. If you're confident your airbag will stop your head moving too far or too violently then you worry less about weight but don't pooh pooh it like some people do. Your neck acts as a level in terms of forces so reducing the weight at the end of that level (i.e. the helmet) is important. A lighter lid might stay on better to vs a heavy one (assuming the same straps).
Maybe we should start using the HANS device like all race car drivers this has saved many lives in the world of Motorsport it does have its limitations however in limiting the ability to turn your head
Great video John, thanks for taking the time to produce the content . Really interesting to see the differences in the air bags , and the ways they are tested
I tested an alpine stars tech air 10 with the hip airbag. Slide the bike going 20mph round a corner and landed my left hip on a drain that was at a pointed angle. Went to A&E with a bruise on my hip and the doctor said the airbag prevented a hip fracture.
I bought alpinestar techair race on track and deployed once for a 80mph crash at Donington Park and walked away without bruises. Absolutely worth every penny as saving a potential hospital tripe(dispite the bill). Latet i bought a techair offroad for my ADV riding. It is now able to replace catridge yourself even on the side of the road(very unlikely). My experience shows that having an airbag compares to traditional protective armors is almost as significant as riding with/without gear. If you are a keen rider, please love yourself and dont put a pricetag on your life.
Brilliant! Would love to see a similar showdown for airbag backpacks as well -- unfortunately though, it seem as though nowhere near enough of these are currently on the market to begin with. Great work regardless; much appreciated!
@@bennettsbikesocial certainly - as long as one is able to get their hands on the Helite backpack in the first place, which, all things considered, is a tall order. I have actually been considering a MotoAirBag backpack for a while now - but the complete lack of front protection is putting me off.
Brilliant information thank you. Was not aware of the motoairbag v4’s existence so glad I watched this. I think it will likely be my first ever airbag jacket.
Thanks, glad it helped! The company has been making airbags for years, but mainly in its domestic market. I hadn't heard of them either, but glad I had before I made this! Cheers, John
Bloody great video. Been waiting eagerly for this. Great and informative. As someone who has used a helite for 3 years+, it gives me reassurance. And good to see new ones out there.
Useful and very detailed explanations, thank you. I'm staying with my In&Motion kit, three compatible jackets for year-round comfort, one controller unit. Even with the subscription costs. it's great value. And after 3yrs subs, you can buy the controller for a single payment of 10 euros - I just did that.
It's good to see someone who understands how that payment system can work, rather than buying into the lazy misinformation put out by some influencers. Cheers, John
Great video! I would be happy to see a tech air 7x in the comparison next. On top of that would be interesting to know which one of the sirbags is best for track use and protects best in lowsides.
Another great video! Back to your point about 'the best airbag is the one you wear', personally I think that's key. I started with a Helite GP for track use, then 'upgraded' to an RST suit with a built in in&motion system. Trouble is, I find the weight of that suit just annoying, it feels so obviously heavy if you're wearing it for a long time at a track day. With the Helite you quickly take it off, job done. I'm going back to my Helite for next year....
Could I add that being trained to ride safely is a factor also. I know this will not stop all accidents, but if you can avoid some by the way you ride and perceive the traffic on the roads, then that can only help reduce accidents. This is something I am working on and looking into.
Amazing effort making this vid man. This is the best video on the net on this issue atm. Re cheap airbags I think the “duhan” helite clone is the best “ bang” for buck ;)
For me, and probably for many younger riders, the ability to wear it under a jacket is a must. The look of wearing an airbag vest on top screams "I don't care about appearance".
Bruh, go full calamari race team mode. Forget the jacket. Just wear the vest with boardies, thongs and fingerless gloves as per protocol; you'll be picking up boyfriends on every ride or your money back
What a fantastic informative video, Airbags is something that have had our interest for a long time now, that motobag v4 is looking like a good balance of simplicity and ease of use and affordability
A terrific in depth well presented review which has certainly changed my opinion on the potential benefits of personal airware safety products. Looks like an expensive Christmas present is a must this year. 👍👍
Hit-Air review coming to the written article soon. The Alpinestars Tech-Air 5 isn't in this video as I didn't have one available to me when I was shooting it. However, it IS in the written review that this video is a part of. That will also be kept updated as other systems get reviewed. Also, the Furygan and Ixon airbags here use the same bladders as those that are in RST, Klim, Held and others. www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/motorcycle-armour-and-base-layers/best-motorcycle-airbag-vest-jacket
I was hoping to see the Alpinestars Tech Air 7X reviewed, which has been out for a while now, it's not in the video or the article. Apart from that great info and presentation. Will be interesting to see how this technology develops in the next couple of years.
Also, can airbag manufacturers please stop plastering AIRBAG or other advertising type writing all over the outside. I'm not being paid to advertise your product and it looks awful, in my opinion. Just stop it, nobody wants to ride around like a mobile billboard.
Thanks will wait for hit-air too.
do Hit-Air have a UK distributor yet ?
ALSO, especially as UK sellers are still in short supply (SBS I'm looking at you :D ) ,how does sizing come up for the Motoairbag range ?
Tech air 5 has great shoulder coverage which most lack. 2 operations and a year later my shoulder is still stuffed. I've no doubt the tech air 5 would have saved it
That was Fantastic, Thank You.
Kindest Regards.
I tested my dianesse airbag jacket high siding my bike. It was a big crash. The airbag covered my front. No damage. My spine was heavily protected. No damage. My side was unprotected. 8 broken ribs and a smash scapula. Punctured lung. It saved my life.
@@garethmayfield4014 Good that you made it out but ouch!
Ow! I'm glad you're able to tell us about it though! Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial thanks mate. The electronics got confused. Only doing 50mph. Snapped the power shut throwing me onto the bars. As I held on for grim death, the throttle was wound right back. Went off up the road like a bucking bronco. My mate reckons it got to 70-80mph before spitting me off. Airbag definitely saved me. You need the full protection right around you. Dianesse jacket worked perfectly. The other thing I learnt is textile riding kit is only good to 70 mph. My kit was destroyed, but I only had friction burns.
Keep your kit receipts. 50% reduction on your insurance claim if you don’t have them.
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I wish more airbags would cover the sides/ribs. The ones that do seem to have flaws though (like being way too bulky to be comfortable).
You and your channel (and other Brit channels) put US bike journalism on YT to shame. The effort you put into the research and production shows how seriously your country takes motorcycling. Here, we can't even get dedicated parking spaces in most cities. Keep up the solid work! 👍
US bike journalism consists of reviews where people ridefrom stop light to stop light, and sometimes sport bikes on track.
Thanks! Sadly I think that paid reviews and affiliate payments are too tempting for too many people. Plus I'm lucky that I get paid whatever people choose!
I was JUST thinking the same thing!! Totally true. Subscribed
Honestly even the critical ones, like F9, say some absolutely asinine things about safety gear. Ryan can ride a bike off road way better than most, but he needs STFU when he says you can take out your crash pads because they don't seem to work. He keeps proving he doesn't get it and doesn't consults medical professionals.
Apparently you all are not watching Ian at Big Rock Moto. He does good testing and reviews of bikes and gear. I highly recommend it.
I was losing the will to live at the start of the video however I am glad I watched it to the end, a fantastic comprehensive unbiased view so thank you, I will be hunting one down at the NEC on Saturday.
If you have saved one life your video was worth it so well done, you should be applauded.
Thanks very much! I just want as many people to be informed as possible, rather than influenced. Cheers, John
I can certainly vouch for all the injury stuff as I am a poster child for the effects of hyperextension. 25 years ago I had car pull out on me and lost my right arm (Traumatic Brachial Plexus injury), permanently lost my right lung (phenic nerve injury) put my broken ribs through my lungs, broke my back (transverse process fractures), put my teeth through my lips and even ended up with Horner's syndrome (face/eye nerve damage). Just the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm highly functional (have pain meds to help) and I'm lucky enough to have an ordinary life (ordinary is underrated and unappreciated). I kept the right arm for 5 years just in case there was any chance of a recovery but there was no change, so I decided to amputate with an above elbow amputation. What saved me apart from good luck? My Arai RX-7 helmet (no brain damage - I've been tested), my fitness (I was a regular gym goer beforehand and in hospital I had tachycardia (resting heart rate was around 120bpm) and went from 84kg to 67kg in three weeks), two nurses following in a car (for a roadside tracheostomy). What did I learn? Somethings are out of your control so relax, go with the flow, and celebrate the little victories (whether that was standing up in hospital, walking a lap around the ward, having my own shower, removal of feeding tube (they fed me through the nose as the helmet strap crushed my windpipe) and even wiping my bum). At no point did I think that riding a motorcycle was not risky, and that this could've (and did) happen to me. Anyway, I'll be getting the helite system as I still ride a MT-09 SP and an Africa Twin DCT that's modified (of course) for left arm only. My advice to you is to buy the best helmet you can afford as I was next to the head trauma ward in rehab and what those patients/medical staff/families deal with is awful and made my orthopedic injuries a walk in the park.
I'm really sorry you had to go through that, it's one of my greatest fears. Just for info, except for your helmet, what gear were you wearing?
So sorry to hear that! All the very best, John
What a terrible event in your life. I am glad you are still positive and able to enjoy the thrill and fun of motorcycling. Back in the late 1970s, I was lucky enough to be part of a team of British Pro-Skaters who competed in California against their pros. At one of the skateparks, "the Big O" in Anaheim, Orange County I met an inspirational guy. He had one leg. He was a US Motocross champion and lost his leg saving his family when their house went on fire. At the time, he couldn't get back on a bike, but he took up skateboarding. With the aid of some crutches (just for starting and stopping) he could still ride the 5m vertical pools and pipes at the Big O. You put me in mind of him. There are some who will lie down and let life kick them, and others who tell it to F@ck Off! That's not knocking those who let it win, just that the mind is far mightier than the body. Well done!
@@fj5434 Spidi leather jacket, Dianese gloves, Alphinestar boots. I was wearing ordinary jeans but apart from the helmet my gear was in pretty good shape. But they were destroyed by the medical team as they just cut the stuff off to get to you faster when you arrive in the ED. I think the jacket had a back protector, but it was pretty lightweight. I had decent gear, but they type of accident really made most of my gear moot. The helmet was the thing that made the difference, I couldn't imagine trying to rationalize what was happening with a head/brain injury.
@@bennettsbikesocial No worries. I'm super happy that you delved into the injuries as far as you did. Your work will help many by hopefully getting more people using airbags (I think they're a great safety device) but even if they don't, they know the consequences. If the worst thing happens they know that they made an informed decision.
Clicked on this video for an everyday review of some airbags and got swindled into a lecture about the mechanics of life changing injuries on bodyparts we usually don't protect enough, and i'm all for it
I was worried it got a bit morbid, but I wanted people to get as much info as possible, so they can decide. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial And you did an amazing job man, 36 min and i wasn't bored for 1 of it
Likewise, thanks John
This is the GOLDEN video of motorcycle airbags. I was in a motorcycle accident and my Helite Turtle 2 saved my neck and back and chest from any damage. Saved a very expensive hospital bill and surgery.
Thanks, and really glad you were wearing the airbag! Cheers, John
Did you have the corded version or electronic one?
I genuinely believe that Bennetts is the best Motorcycling UA-cam channel when it comes to real consumer advice and motorcycling information. Since I started riding in June I have found so many videos incredibly helpful even looking way back in the catalogue.
I might not be able to get insured with Bennetts competitively but the £6 a month is well worth it for the social membership.
Thank you SO much! Please do join the Facebook group too if you fancy it facebook.com/groups/bikesocial Cheers, John
As an EMT/firefighter, this is very usual to help understanding of what injuries to look for and the suspected severity of different injuries.
Objective and unbiased. Hugely informative. Excellent.
Thanks! Cheers, John
Couldn’t agree more….what an excellent piece of work….outstanding and a must watch.
What is interesting is that I am a so called “advanced rider” and a blood biker in Cornwall with crap road conditions for much of the year….none of the BB team wear an air bag as far as I am aware….even though some of us own the Turtle 2 (we were given them).
Makes absolutely no sense….and a story I have heard on many occasions. Whilst cost may be an issue….many of those citing this are sitting on a bike with a £700 end can!
So, something else needs to be overcome…are you not a real biker if you wear one???
I wear an In&Motion airbag. Two summers ago while riding in Corsica I hit some gravel midcorner, lost control of the bike, ended on the gravel strip next to the tarmac, hit with the front wheel a sand heap which had been left next to the road after some past road works. As the bike came to an abrupt stop, I was thrown over the handlebars and came down on my back after that salto. I had only just lift off that I heard and felt the airbag deploying. I didn’t have a single bruise, only scratches on my vest. I exchanged the cannister and I was good to go again albeit very shaken and shakey. A friend of mine was hit by a car coming on the motorway from the accelaration lane, he didn’t check his mirrors, it was a bad accident, the motorbike was completely destroyed and again the airbag prevented worse things. Another thing, I have fallen from my bike while coming to a stand because there was some fuel on the wet road and I momentarily lost my footing but on that occassion the airbag didn’t go off, so it seems to be a very clever algorithm that relies on the accelaration forces. Excellent presentation, again!
Thanks very much, and really glad to hear you were both okay. Hopefully you'll never need them again, but glad you have them! Cheers, John
Intreesting Carlo, me and another lady had, on the other hand, a defective In&Motion airbag once we needed. Our bladders immediately deflated due to a 3 mm diameter hole. Kinf of what you see at minute 29.
I think the In&Motion only deploys on speeds above either 30 or 50kph. Forgot which
@@Ohno0esno, my exploded at circa 18 kmh according to the GPS of the dash camera, which is very precise.
@@Ohno0es You're thinking of Track Algorithm. The Road Algo will deploy from standstill
By far the best video I have seen on airbags to date - nice one!
- DOI: TT Airmed etc. doctor; have attended >100 airbag-deployed crashes.
John, never stop being you. I mean it, you’re doing great work here. Between your work and GeekTest Bennetts should be very very pleased with how their brand is represented. Morbid? My man, safety is about preventing the accidents we try to avoid. Morbid would be the attitude I see amongst those in all risk sports who pretend what we do isn’t dangerous. This is just great consumer advice. Chapeau.
By the by: I’m quite vain and was very happy when the Alpinestars TechAir3 Canvas came out. But it’s been available in the US for half a year and still no European release? Any reason for this?
Absolutely, John is unique. Fabulous work. I was tempted by the TechAir 3 but have read quite a few troubling stories about it (airbag not activating, firing for no reason etc…).
I have the canvas tech air 3 and rode east to west coast in the USA over the summer with it over a riding jacket in brutal temperatures and it was flawless, battery life is honestly amazing, 8000 miles and I charged it 4 times. Outside of a helmet it’s the best safety investment I have ever made for biking and I can’t see myself ever riding without one again
Brilliant bit of motorcycle journalism👏
Thanks SO much! Yeah, I only found the canvas one while researching this and it looks great! Maybe it'll appear in the UK and Europe if we're lucky.
The Tech-Air 3 did have an issue with false deployment but it was most likely due to that long delay before disarming. Mine hasn't fired accidentally since the firmware update, and I've really tried! Cheers, John
@ Great to hear. I loved my TechAir5 but it wasn’t convenient enough for me.
These videos are honestly such a service to the moto community. Thank you!
Thanks so much! Cheers, John
Hi John. Thanks for a very informative review. I'll be 65 in March 2025 and as most older riders will confirm, as we age we don't bend like we used to. I'd never given any consideration to road going air bag systems but your article has really opened my eyes. I plan to do a lot of touring in 2025 so I'll be buying a system early in the new year. Best wishes to you and all your viewers, keep safe and have fun folks.
Thanks so much, and all the best to you too! Cheers, John
Haven't watched this yet but I'm thankful y'all are coving this. I've been extremely skeptical of the almost lock-step endorsement of airbags in the same week with the release of a certain Dainese product. Also been distinctly disappointed with F9's fairly thin critique of the established armor standards. I'm a non-UK viewer who greatly benefits from your work and I hope it remains sustainable for the future.
Thanks very much! Please do let me know if the video's helpful when you get a chance to watch it. Cheers, John
Agree on Ryan F9s review. It was biased, reasoning didn’t make sense and factually wrong in some places. This review was awesome!
Bennetts isn't in the US so best I can do as a means of thanks is upvote and leave a comment to help engagement. Thanks for the amazing content!
Thank you so much! All that matters to me is that people have access to honest information. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial Really wish you could test the US airbags and gear
Thank you so much for this! I've been looking at picking up an airbag for a long time now but I've found them so hard to compare on my own so I never pulled the trigger on one. I'm feeling a lot more confident in my purchase now, thank you!
Thanks great, thanks! All the best, John
This video is pure information gold John. It could literally save lives. I'm nearly recovered from an accident in march where I was rear ended at a red light where my body totaled the car that hit me ;), I did not have a back protector or airbag so I am fully aware I was inifinitely lucky to not have spinal damage. Definitely won't make that mistake again!
So glad to hear you were okay. This is a perfect example of the real world being so unpredictable. All the best, John
Your passion and dedication to motorcycling is exceptional.
Thank you so much - that's really kind! Cheers, John
As soon as I became a Dad, I bought a Tech Air 5.
It deployed once on a very low speed drop (brake checked and my non ABS brake skills are poorly honed these days).
The bladder actually burst from this single deploy, yet its rated for 3.
I complained under consumer rights rather than warranty and managed to be able to pay for the cost of a refill only rather than a new bladder as it's not much off a whole new jacket then!
Alpinestars have my money, and my one piece now has to be A*s, but they have the right data volumes and users to tweak their algorithms correctly (I work in Data science/ AI and this is a HUGE often overlooked factor).
I also like that they use Argon instead of CO2 which means it inflates faster.
I have an old snowboard back injury (degen disc and buldging discs) and a reconstructed shoulder ACJ from wakeboarding so I've always worn Forcefield CE2 jackets underneath my leathers, but an airbag is much much more comfortable!
The only downside is you cant really wash them, and in summer it can be hot and sweaty...
A friend died at Donnington Park recently by being hit from behind by another rider and I always wonder if an airbag would have meant a different outcome... maybe not at those speeds, and each crash if different but having one thats allowed on track (some dont allow tethered) is a risk Id really encourage noone takes.
Especially not when there are so many nutters on the roads and on stolen or crashed bikes at track days who ride like theyve nothing to loose... other riders still have plenty.
Really sorry to hear all this! Glad you got the bladder cost covered, but that is very disappointing.
All the very best, John
You don’t realise how long I been waiting for this John, massive thanks and appreciation for your hard work and detail you’ve clearly put into your research. I’ve read all the marketing spiels from all manufacturers but nothing comes close to the unbiased informative demonstration you put on show, which in turn will allow me to make the right choice. Hats off to to you 👏👏👏
Thanks very much! Really glad it helped as this was a big one, and I was worried about how it would work. Cheers, John
John your videos and the insights they bring are the best motorcycle related consumer info out there. Thank you for all the effort, it really shows!
And Helen’s pillion insights are very much included in this too!!
Thanks so much! All the very best, John (and Helen!)
Thank godness for people like you John, you are doing the lords work.
MotorAirBag is very impressive. I look forward to reading your write up. I have an anecdotal experience wearing the Alpinestars Techair Offroad.
Collision at 15-27mph(wasn't watching the speedometer on impact and I experienced some time dilation so I can't be sure). It was an impact with someone turning across my lane. I was launched off the bike, into and over the hood, then onto my butt(which actually really hurt). My torso was completely undamaged from the impact. No broken ribs, no bruises. I had a finger fracture and a back injury from landing, along with various soft tissue injuries in my legs from getting cartwheeled. I'm inclined to think the airbag protected my chest and probably would have protected my back if I landed on it. I think the armor probably kept me from getting elbow and shoulder damage(I can see where it discolored scraping across the car). Likely aided in keeping my chest totally unharmed too.
I like that the MotorAirbag almost seems to girdle you. Because I wondered if I had been wearing a weight belt if that would have protected my back. Hard to say, maybe it was better to let it flex. I like the design though, and the locking tether seems like a good compromise between the speed of electronically activated inflation and mechanical certainty.
I'll also say recharge cost doesn' matter much to me. If I can walk awak from another crash like that I'm taking the hint and hanging it up, at least on the street.
Really sorry to hear this, but it does seem a real demonstration of how riding kit can significantly reduce injuries. All the very best, John
I must add that the helo evac gentleman mentioned not encountering any crashes with airbag use, possibly because they are safer riders or older. But perhaps another reason is any incidents with a rider using an airbag did not require a helo evac because they did what they are designed for.
You're right, but I do think that was partly what he was trying to say. Believe it or not, for such an awesome guy who's dealt with so much, he was nervous in front of the camera! Cheers, John
Honestrly, this video should be mandatory when getting a motorcycle license, the quality of information is superb.
Thank so much! Cheers, John
About as thorough as it gets. Thank you.
I had one of the first Tech Air 5 airbags to come to market and had a false deployment when in motion which was so unpleasant it put me off wearing them altogether. After a year or so with only passive protection I gave it another chance and have to say the algorithms have evolved to the point I’m sometimes surprised it doesn’t accidentally deploy in really bumpy conditions. I believe you have to ask yourself, if I’m launched off my bike for whatever reason in the worst circumstances, what do I want to be wearing. I’d rather be wearing an airbag than not.
One small point I’d make is that I’m not sure the anvil test on a bare airbag is entirely accurate. I am sure an airbag under a leather jacket will behave somewhat differently in terms of air displacement and impact dissipation, etc.
My current model is the Rev’It airbag. You get Alpinestars R&D and all the data they have accumulated together with Rev’it quality and customer service.
I agree - I prefer to have one all the time now, and the algorithms have definitely improved.
Yes, it's possible that some outer garments could affect the results, though we'd need to do more testing, and then there'd still be a lot of variables. Good point though. Cheers, John
Totally worth the time to watch. This is BY FAR, the best information on motorcycle airbags I've ever encountered. Everyone who rides needs to watch this. I hope you'll update as warranted. I really appreciate the effort and expense which went into this.
Thanks so much! Yep - will be keeping it updated, especially the written article. Cheers, John
Keep making videos like this man, absolutely love the time and effort put into it aswell as the presentation. Also I love the chapter transitions. Think they're cool 👍🏽
Thanks so much! All the best, John
It was not long, complicated or morbid. It was interesting and useful. I appreciate all the hard work you had put into it. It showed. Thank you.
Thanks very much, that's really good of you to say! Cheers, John
Hi John. Fantastic video as ever. The amount of research you have clearly done is evident. One question; airbags aside, if chest protection is so important as stated by the paramedic, why do so few motorcycle jackets (aside from the really expensive ones) have chest protectors or indeed the ability to add one?
It's becoming more common, though passive protectors can't do anything much against deflection, so an airbag really is the best bet. Cheers, John
I needed a video like this! I daily commute and have been looking into airbag vests. You're not trying to sell me anything you're just giving me the info I need as a rider, I appreciate that!
Thanks very much - really hope it helped. Cheers, John
Wow me and the wife travel around Europe on our Gs and have been using the cheap Chinese air bags because of the lack of coverage for tall riders , I tested mine after buying it
Airbag para moto Fuangiv 2020 part 1 Airbag para moto Fuangiv 2020 part 2 Airbag para moto Fuangiv 2020 part 3
'' Then '' I thought it performed well but now I believe the Motoairbag MAB v4 Airbag Vest looks a better bet . Thanks for the video👍
Thanks! Yes, I'm afraid that, in my experience at least, those 'cheap' Chinese airbags are useless. All the best, John
Brilliant!! I’ve ridden with a Helite airbag for the last 8 years or so and I don’t go anywhere without it. But perhaps it’s time to change - the V4 looks to give much better protection methinks.
Thanks again for all you do to keep us informed - really appreciate it!
Thanks for watching. The Helite has some real benefits, but I do think the MotoAirBag has moved things on a great deal. Cheers, John
fantastic initiative for the biking community. Thank you.
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
I returned to riding at 48 and my A-stars TechAir 5 was one of my first purchases. Two years later, I will not ride without it. I charge it after each ride when I arrive home.
I chose the Tech-Air 5 for the built in back protector, collar bone protection, & rib protection.
The TechAir5 is like a little safety blanket!
Now this is how reviews should be done.
Getting tired of the youtube shill channels marketing crap chinese so called safety products and not giving a damn if they are safety rated or not.
The number of heated glove videos being recommended this week is ridiculous.
Apparently saying "they look good to me" is all anyone needs to know when it comes to the safety of these products..
Laughable and it's time the ASA stepped up and put a stop to them.
Thanks, and I totally agree. Though it doesn't seem the ASA can do much. Cheers, John
Well done test!I did my research before buying my airbag as well and I came to the conclusion that Motoairbag was the best for me. Sure it's bulky and a bit heavy but has no compromises in terms of safety. I love the fact that you can upgrade your V2 to a v3 and a V3 to a v4 for a fee, so you have always the latest model without spending a lot of money.
Regarding mechanical vs. electronic debate - I am senior software developer/IT integrator working in RF comms with 14+ years experience. There is near zero chance you'd convince me to go with electronic airbag (I went with Helite Turtle tethered system).
I used Helite GP with tether and passed to Helite electronic. I have each year at least a couple of falls on the track. Both worked well, tethered before, and the electronic now. Electronic worked well in four falls since July 2023, first one was at 160km/h low side, the second one was I was rear ended on full lean at 70km/h, in both cases I did a couple of 360° turns before falling first time to ground (grass) and second time to gravel. In this year I fell twice in rain, once at 100 km/h low side, and second time at 60 km/h. All falls were with new electronic system. It protected me well. I must reiterate that I carry back protector in addition to airbag jacket.
@@CyberGasty The issue I have is when you use electronic airbags on the street.
Even manufacturers themselves admit that since they also use GPS for detecting crashes, they cannot guarantee activation inside tunnels, parking garages etc. plus if speed is lower than X amount (in&motion, Helite without fork sensor), they will not activate. This is obviously not an issue when going flat out on a racetrack but in stop-go traffic it is.
There are regular posts on Reddit of electronic airbags not activating (Alpinestars is quite common) and then add the fact that you need to keep an eye on the state of charge of the battery for the airbag...
At the end of the day inside every electronic airbag there is software that reads GPS, gyro, accelerometer data and decided if its gonna activate or not. No software is 100% reliable.
But no matter if its electronic or mechanical - any airbag is better than none. I also wear motorcycle jacket with full passive armor under my airbag and since I use Helite as well I am happy to hear it has saved you from injuries.
As an engineer I wholly agree with you. Simple is reliable, less to go wrong. KISS.
Never mind the faff of having to charge batteries all the time!
@@CyberGasty The main issue is that electronic airbags also use GPS for detecting crashes. If you look at In&Motion's owner manual for example they do not guarantee activation if you're driving in tunnels or parking garages. Also when you're stationary, going really slow or for the first 10 s of driving, the electronic airbags will not activate (exceptions, as far as I know, are Helite WITH added fork sensor, Alpinestars new off-road airbag). This is obviously not an issue on the track since you're never stationary or going slow but in stop&go traffic it is.
At the end of the day electronic airbags are basically software that constantly reads GPS, accelerometer and gyro data is deciding if you're crashing or not. As someone who spends unhealthy amount of time writing and fixing code I can guarantee you that there is no such thing as 100% foolproof software. Mechanical tether is simple and it works 100% of the time unless its damaged or not being used as it should (user sets the tether too long for example).
But no matter if you use electronic or mechanical - any airbag is better than no airbag. I have a airbag and I still wear my motorcycle jacket with full armor under it without any discomfort. As a Helite user am I happy that it kept you free of any major injury and I hope it will continue to do so in the future.
They don't all rely on GPS, and the tech is constantly improving
I read your written report on Bike social when you first published it a few weeks ago and was so impressed with the level of detail, the video just adds another amazing dimension, this video will save lives. I bought a tethered Helite H-moov rucksack airbag last week, not anywhere near as much protection as the M4, but I new I would wear it every time I ride, I couldn't say that about the M4. I just hope that Helite come out with a similar tether system as it looks amazing. Thank you John for so much effort, you deserve a raise, then you can buy the 1300 GS. 😀
Ha, I don't think that'll happen, but luckily I still love my 1250.
The most important thing is that you have something you're comfortable in and will wear. All the best, John
I brought my Helite E Moov backpack just about a year ago now.
At the time the only back pack option available.
I wear it every ride without fail with in full backpack mode or just as the airbag.
No deployments needed so far.
I find it comfortable and can wear it over anything.
After watching this I am probably going to add a chest protector to my kit.
Hopefully I'll never need it.
Agree with the air ambulance guy. The people who can afford them and think about them are more mature and most likely safer riders anyway.
I will get mine serviced when it's needed.
Will expect a great deal more models will be out in the next 3 years when I think about replacing it.
Great video. Really interesting. Thank you.
Thank you! Hopefully you'll never need it, but great that you have one just in case. Cheers, John
God bless you for this and all your videos. Clear simple English language and the vital topic makes this video great but your own delivery is what makes the difference. Stay well my friend and keep riding.
Thanks so much, and you too! Cheers, John
I've always wondered why so many jackets excluded chest armour or even pockets, I made it a priority for all my jackets. I have a Helite too but bit disappointed about the chest protection but do like the fact it protects hips as well
Thank you for this video. I'm using an airbag for over 8 years. I startet with the Helite Turtle and since 4 years I've got the Gimoto V-Race 3.0 RR (mechanic).
Been wearing a Tech-Air offroad for right about a year now. Having the passive protection for minor off-road falls is great, and knowing I have the airbag if I have a big one, or get hit on the road.
Cheers! A review of the Tech-Air off-road is coming to the written article soon. John
Great Video, as always! I am currently on my second Helite Turtle 2. The first one was ruined during an accident. I accidentally flipped the bike, landing head and shoulder first before sliding a little. My beloved Speed Triple was a write-off, as was my air vest. But I had no injuries. Well, maybe a fractured collarbone, but I didn't find out about that until about a year later. But new Helmet, Jacket, Trousers, Gloves, Cardo Air vest, and Bike. I love being out on the bike and going away with friends, but having a young family means I must buy the best....safety gear.
Thank you for these videos, they really are a fantastic watch!
So glad you're okay! No airbag is likely to save a collarbone sadly, as it's usually broken by an outstretched arm. Or if you're unlucky you get a torn rotator cuff instead (yeah, that was me). Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocialwhy is it that i hear about them saving collarbones from highsides on the motogp broadcast? are those different
I was in a horrific accident where i got t- boned, was wearing helite turtle e airbag, escaped with a few rib fractures and wrist fracture.
I am a trained spine surgeon and deal with plenty road vehicle accident patients, neck and pelvic injuries in addition to chest are probably major critical injuries.
I have found helite turtle 2 giving best coverage of these areas. Its designed to be worn over a jacket so chest protection is covered there. Was very easy to recharge, just replaced my cartridge.
The review was great but did not emphasize much on pelvic protection . Patients who survive and have pelvic fractures have lots of challenges in life.
The Helite doesn't reach down to the pelvis - those connecting side tubes sit just beneath my ribs
Hope you got the correct size. It usually does protect
Yes, size is right - it sits the same on the company's website too. This seems your best bet www.alpinestars.com/products/tech-air-10-airbag-system
Really glad to read that Praveen! I also own an eTurtle and I'm terrified of being T-boned one day, to me it's the worst crash you can have on a motorbike (save, perhaps, going down the mountain after flying over a guardrail!). Happy to see it does seem to protect you fairly well. So glad you came out ok from the crash.
Just to be clear for anyone else reading this exchange, the E-Turtle 2 and Turtle 2 do not protect the Pelvis. They also wouldn't be likely to deploy in a T-bone incident before the damage was done (as would likely be the case with most systems).
I appreciate what you've done here. This is a monumental amount of work. As to which standard is "best", that can only be the standards that have published testing procedures and results.
Agreed! Cheers, John
Good work John,a lot to take in.i bet you were the kid at school that everyone copied their homework off.
Ha! No. I was just (even more) annoying as a kid, always asking "why" and always taking stuff apart. Which I guess worked out okay in the end. Cheers, John
@bennettsbikesocial it payed off in the end,your blessed to have a job that's a passion and able to cram all that info into in to your videos.
Really appreciate the vast amount of effort that went into making this video - thanks
Thanks for watching it! Cheers, John
I cannot recommend an airbag enough, personally I now treat my airbag like my helmet and won’t ride without it.
I agree... Even short trips I pop mine on now. Cheers, John
I currently don't ride... and motorcycle kit has moved on tremendously... but I thoroughly enjoyed this factual (no bs) video. Thank you very interesting. 😊
Thanks for watching! If you do decide to ride, please feel free to ask any questions! Cheers, John
Thank you for this video.
I did personal research into airbags a couple of months ago here in Australia. I mostly commute so slow speed deployment was a big question.i also have gear and didn't want to spend $ on new jackets to fit an air bag.
I was mostly disappointed about the options available and the costs involved. I couldn't get any assurance about effectiveness for slow speed. In fact the sellers are rather cagey about giving clear info.
Tech air 5 isn't available here and the Aust distributor won't warranty it if obtained overseas.
The Dainese just doesn't cover enough and only the old model available, and the refit cost here is madness.
I decided on the helite turtle as best available here. But I can get no communication response from helite at all!
I really like the look of the MAB M1. It ticks all my boxes. I'm just waiting to see if I can get it here in Australia.
It'd be worth contacting MotoAirBag via it's website as I just checked and it looks like shipping to Australia is free. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial yes sent them an email right after watching your vid! :)
@@bennettsbikesocial where did you see free shipping?
The response from MAB indicated 50euro shipping
All up including our GST tax, it would be near $1500 Aust
@@brisbaneswords8563 I was entering Australia into the MotoAirBag website. Maybe the tax agreements with Australia are different to the UK and something changes further into the checkout process. It'd be worth checking with MotoAirBag by contacting them direct though.
Thank you for all your hard work and dedication to keeping us safe!
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
Great review John. Perfect amount of geekiness to keep us informed without it going over my head. 👍
Excellent, thanks!
John, amazing work mate, this video will save lives, I have no doubt about it.
Thanks so much! If it helps even one person make their own choices then it was worthwhile. All the best, John
Thanks for all the work that went into this John, very informative.
I've been wearing an Ixon in&motion airbag for three years... a few notes from my experiences:
- Wearing the airbag makes you significantly warmer, with a leather jacket I get very uncomfortable over 20°C hence switch to mesh - I hope that as airbags develop they will find ways to improve airflow (ladder bladder rather than sausage?). Did you ever see the Rev'it April fools vented airbag?
- People seem to be pretty anti the in&motion subscription model.. it has worked reasonably well for me as my control box developed a fault and was replaced free of charge within a week. Customer service was excellent.
- It would be much better if there was a charging port in the vest. Having to remove the controller to charge it is a bit of a pain. If you go a few weeks between rides it will go flat so you need to remember to keep it charged... couldn't the app send you some reminders on battery level?
As you develop this investigation could you help us understand the differences between the systems available to the public and those used in racing. I suspect the RST in&motion systems you get in their off the peg and M2M suits are the same for national level racers and the great unwashed... is this true of the systems used in Moto GP? It would be interesting to understand the differences.
Thanks so much for this - really helpful, and I'll keep building on the written article. All the best, John
As always an insightful and informative video that can actually help customer. Thank you, love your work.
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Great video - i read the article about a month ago and got the MotoAirbag v4. I wanted the head/neck stabilization, the tether gadget for quicker deployment, user replaceable cartridges (bought an extra set), and (less importantly) the removable sleeves. Thanks for all the work - I had been looking for many months before I found your article.
That's great to hear, thank you! All the best, John
Amazing video. A lot of work and passion went into this one. Thank you for all your research!
Thanks for watching! This was a bit of a beast! Cheers, John
Thank you for this video. I can't begin to imagine how much research must have gone into this. I will be looking to buy a motoairbag for next year. Out of interest, an article on first aid kits would be brilliant I think it's really important we all carry one on our bikes. Things like bleed dressings, tourniquet and vent aids are a must for me. It would be great if you could explore this even if it saves just one life!
Good call - I'll have a look at that, thanks! All the best, John
Really really thank you very much for the honest review that you made for us
Thanks for watching! All the best, John
Many thanks for the quality journalism.
Thank YOU for watching and commenting. Cheers, John
Great video-very informative. Now, I'm much more aware of which airbag to choose. Thanks, John and BikeSocial!
Glad it was helpful! All the best, John
I put off getting an airbag for my 2024 riding season which just ended (winter). Part of it was cost and availability and laziness. Each ride, even though I'm CE2 head to toe, had that small part of me thinking "do I want to ride now or after the air bag vest is purchased." I felt like tempting fate.
Was/am leaning toward a Helite e-Turtle. Thank you for the absolute best objective info I've ever seen!
Thanks for watching. It should simply be down to personal choice, and do make sure you find the right balance for you of comfort, convenience and coverage. Cheers, John
Thank you for the hard work, the time and effort you put into making unbiased informative contents about everything you do. This one, came just in time as I was considering options. You make it easier to have a well informed decision for all of us.
Thanks! That's all I'm hoping for. Cheers, John
Great as always. Your nerdiness is appreciated! Thanks!
Ha, excellent! Cheers, John
John, as always from you, absolutely superb journalism and really easy to watch and understand. Cheers, Michael.
Thanks so much! Cheers, John
Amazing work. I did not expect such thorough explanation and testing. You're saving lives.
Thanks so much! All I want is for people to know what they're buying. Cheers, John
This is fantastic work. Proper testing, digging beyond the manufacturers claims.
Thanks! I never want to take anything on face value, and this was a very deep rabbit hole! Cheers, John
I have been a huge proponent for airbags since I started riding and I absolutely love this video and I learned a lot more especially with the two different methods of testing! I know you can't test all the airbags but I do find it a shame you didn't mention the airbags range from Rst. They make some great jackets with build in airbags from in&motion and for a competitive price. I feel that because the airbag is build in to the jacket it's less likely to be forgotten, also it's less cumbersome.
Thanks! Actually, I did - the RSTs use the same In&Motion bladders as Furygan, Ixon, Held, Klim etc... cheers, John
Thank you for this extensive review! Much appreciated!
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
Amazing comparison! Thank you from Italy (i decided to buy the Motoairbag M1! i really like the complete chest protection and the full spine coverage) unfortunately here in Italy airbags are not appealing to the average biker, in the future i hope this topic will bring much more attention to younger riders like me and to spread informations about the safety features of these devices. they can literally change the outcome of a bad crash, just like a good quality helmet.
Thanks, and really glad it helped. I think the M1 is likely to be the most popular. All the best, John
Great indepth and unbiased video as always. I think we need to start seeing more jackets with airbags built in. Any additional faff and bulk with any form of protection (motorcycle or otherwise) as humans we often get lazy and don't bother, the "it's only up the road" syndrome kicks in. I'm bad enough for not being arsed to wrestle on my one piece rain oversuit and getting annoyed with the added bulk and restriction of it. I really do see the benefits of these airbag systems but I know the remembering to charge it, teather/unteather it and wadlling around like Bibendum would be frustrating 😂
Absolutely, and as demand increases I'm sure we'll see more and more developments. Cheers, John
Thank you for the excellent video. It wasn't morbid at all, in my opinion. You were talking about protection from severe injury, not their colour schemes. 😊
Thanks! All the best, John
Great - really pleased to have seen this. Was actually thinking of investigating an airbag at the NEC this weekend, but now I feel a lot clearer about what I’m looking for
Thanks for watching! Let me know what you go for. Cheers, John
I'm on my second Helite now (wore out the first one) Had several fairly light crashes, always walked away. Didn't always ride away. Are they the best? No clue, but they worked 100% for me so far.
Dan - the Advanced paramedic, at around 19 minutes in, talking about vertebrae around getting more fragile the higher up the spine they are is why I got my airbag jacket - to give me an instant neck brace should the worst happen. Another thing I always look at, with this in mind, is helmet weight. Yes, it's got to be strong and preferably aero and quiet but remember a heavy helmet will put a lot more strain on your neck in an accident. If you're confident your airbag will stop your head moving too far or too violently then you worry less about weight but don't pooh pooh it like some people do. Your neck acts as a level in terms of forces so reducing the weight at the end of that level (i.e. the helmet) is important. A lighter lid might stay on better to vs a heavy one (assuming the same straps).
Head injuries are more common and tend to be more critical, so it's finding that balance I guess
Maybe we should start using the HANS device like all race car drivers this has saved many lives in the world of Motorsport it does have its limitations however in limiting the ability to turn your head
That was the by far the best ( and only ) airbag group test, thankyou, well worth waiting for!❤
Thanks! All the best, John
Great video John, thanks for taking the time to produce the content . Really interesting to see the differences in the air bags , and the ways they are tested
Thanks so much for watching! All the best, John
Thank you for the thoughtful and thorough evaluation! Much appreciated.
Thanks for watching and hope it helped. Cheers, John
I tested an alpine stars tech air 10 with the hip airbag. Slide the bike going 20mph round a corner and landed my left hip on a drain that was at a pointed angle. Went to A&E with a bruise on my hip and the doctor said the airbag prevented a hip fracture.
Glad you're okay! Cheers, John
I bought alpinestar techair race on track and deployed once for a 80mph crash at Donington Park and walked away without bruises. Absolutely worth every penny as saving a potential hospital tripe(dispite the bill). Latet i bought a techair offroad for my ADV riding. It is now able to replace catridge yourself even on the side of the road(very unlikely).
My experience shows that having an airbag compares to traditional protective armors is almost as significant as riding with/without gear. If you are a keen rider, please love yourself and dont put a pricetag on your life.
Thanks for this, and really glad you were okay! Cheers, John
This video is a must see for all bikers. Thanks very much for this outstanding contribution to the motorcycling community.
Thanks so much! Cheers, John
Brilliant! Would love to see a similar showdown for airbag backpacks as well -- unfortunately though, it seem as though nowhere near enough of these are currently on the market to begin with. Great work regardless; much appreciated!
The Helite backpack would, I'd imagine, give similar results to the Turtle 2
@@bennettsbikesocial certainly - as long as one is able to get their hands on the Helite backpack in the first place, which, all things considered, is a tall order.
I have actually been considering a MotoAirBag backpack for a while now - but the complete lack of front protection is putting me off.
Brilliant information thank you. Was not aware of the motoairbag v4’s existence so glad I watched this. I think it will likely be my first ever airbag jacket.
Thanks, glad it helped! The company has been making airbags for years, but mainly in its domestic market. I hadn't heard of them either, but glad I had before I made this! Cheers, John
Bloody great video. Been waiting eagerly for this. Great and informative. As someone who has used a helite for 3 years+, it gives me reassurance. And good to see new ones out there.
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Useful and very detailed explanations, thank you. I'm staying with my In&Motion kit, three compatible jackets for year-round comfort, one controller unit. Even with the subscription costs. it's great value. And after 3yrs subs, you can buy the controller for a single payment of 10 euros - I just did that.
It's good to see someone who understands how that payment system can work, rather than buying into the lazy misinformation put out by some influencers. Cheers, John
Great video! I would be happy to see a tech air 7x in the comparison next. On top of that would be interesting to know which one of the sirbags is best for track use and protects best in lowsides.
Another great video! Back to your point about 'the best airbag is the one you wear', personally I think that's key. I started with a Helite GP for track use, then 'upgraded' to an RST suit with a built in in&motion system. Trouble is, I find the weight of that suit just annoying, it feels so obviously heavy if you're wearing it for a long time at a track day. With the Helite you quickly take it off, job done. I'm going back to my Helite for next year....
Could I add that being trained to ride safely is a factor also.
I know this will not stop all accidents, but if you can avoid some by the way you ride and perceive the traffic on the roads, then that can only help reduce accidents.
This is something I am working on and looking into.
Absolutely - It's why I said about BikeSafe being so worthwhile. Cheers, John
Amazing effort making this vid man. This is the best video on the net on this issue atm. Re cheap airbags I think the “duhan” helite clone is the best “ bang” for buck ;)
Thanks! I really, really wouldn't buy a knock-off airbag.
Brilliant test - well done and thanks.
Thanks! John
Good man John, thanks for Your efforts. Howes the VFR going?
Just got it back, and disliking working on it again! Cheers, John
For me, and probably for many younger riders, the ability to wear it under a jacket is a must.
The look of wearing an airbag vest on top screams "I don't care about appearance".
Hopefully this'll help you choose. Cheers, John
Bruh, go full calamari race team mode. Forget the jacket. Just wear the vest with boardies, thongs and fingerless gloves as per protocol; you'll be picking up boyfriends on every ride or your money back
Awesome video John!! Thanks for sharing all the information that can can helps out there om the roads! Keep it up, you're doing great! 👍👍
Thanks so much! Cheers, John
Fantastic review. I was on the fence about an airbag, I’m now going to purchase! Thanks 👌🏻
Thanks very much! Do let me know which one you go for. Cheers, John
@ Got myself an RST in&motion jacket, heavy but nice quality, thanks again for a top review 👍🏻
What a fantastic informative video, Airbags is something that have had our interest for a long time now, that motobag v4 is looking like a good balance of simplicity and ease of use and affordability
Thanks! All the best, John
A terrific in depth well presented review which has certainly changed my opinion on the potential benefits of personal airware safety products. Looks like an expensive Christmas present is a must this year. 👍👍
Thanks so much! Cheers, and merry Christmas! John