We Destroyed 6 Of The Best Bicycle Locks

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  • More bicycle locks from Kryptonite, Hiplok and Litelok, tested to destruction. Want to see other stuff tested? Let us know in the comment section down below.
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  • @dropatrain
    @dropatrain Рік тому +341

    At some point the locks will be so good and expensive it'll be worth cutting the bike to steal the lock!

    • @a1white
      @a1white Рік тому +11

      Those last 2 Litelocks are probably worth more than my trusty hybrid 😅

    • @geegee8625
      @geegee8625 Рік тому +18

      ​@@a1whitemy bike is £400, but my 2 locks are D1000 + Litelok x3 for combined price £475.

    • @SB-hr5yr
      @SB-hr5yr 4 місяці тому +1

      With ebikes or more expensive bikes it's probably worth cutting the frame and either selling the parts or bodging a frame repair later to sell to some unsuspecting.

    • @TheSixthSLoT
      @TheSixthSLoT 4 місяці тому +1

      @@SB-hr5yr That's my worry. I want to buy the Hiplock they showed at the end here, but my bike is a step through frame, and the only real place to fit that lock is between the small gap where the seat post is and the suspension. I worry that someone may just cut through my suspension and eat the cost of replacing it to get my bike.

    • @NocteNoir
      @NocteNoir 3 місяці тому

      But without key what can they do? It's just there

  • @tonystrange7224
    @tonystrange7224 Рік тому +281

    A guy in our club always took the quick release skewers out of his wheels on cafe stops. He figured if they lifted his bike the wheels falling out would be enough to deter them and they’d drop the bike and leg it. Then one day it happened thief grabbed his bike but tried to ride it away within seconds back wheel came out, rear mech locked, thief went flying, got up and ran. He got his back back but with a wrecked rear mech. Said it was worth it.

    • @davemason2290
      @davemason2290 Рік тому +38

      I used to ride a fixed gear. One place I used to lock it was on the top of a hill with the brakes released. It was never stolen but I got the idea from my dad whose bike was stolen with serious conveniences for the thief

    • @maxgomila8209
      @maxgomila8209 Рік тому +2

      Wear body armour.

    • @mynameisyasser
      @mynameisyasser Рік тому +7

      That is a brilliant idea. Thanks for sharing that. Top stuff.
      I used to tighten the brake cable so much that the brake-pads wouldn't let the wheels move.

    • @wildbikerbill6530
      @wildbikerbill6530 Рік тому +4

      @@davemason2290 "serious conveniences" or "serious consequences" ? There is a difference!

    • @uncrunch398
      @uncrunch398 Рік тому +1

      @@mynameisyasser Now there are locks that do that. But they're obvious handle bar locks that hold down the lever. If your idea can be done quick enough and correctly adjusted for yourself quick enough it would be worth it. There might also be an issue if you have to avoid danger. What can you do to secure your bike and leave on it quickly enough to get away?

  • @danielwason1184
    @danielwason1184 Рік тому +403

    As a welder and metal worker I've done a lot of cutting with angle grinders and discs. I'm fairly sure that all that yellow dust was from the abrasive disc itself as it turned to dust, and they do smell really gross.

    • @AverageReviewsYT
      @AverageReviewsYT Рік тому +3

      Wrong

    • @evanuribe6353
      @evanuribe6353 Рік тому +113

      Ah yes. "Wrong," explains everything.

    • @johnnyloco11
      @johnnyloco11 Рік тому +7

      that would make sense as the dust didn't appear this time and they were using different discs

    • @AverageReviewsYT
      @AverageReviewsYT Рік тому +2

      Daniel. Your wrong. My comment… explains everything. 🍻

    • @joetuktyyuktuk8635
      @joetuktyyuktuk8635 Рік тому +8

      As a welder/fabricator with 30 years experience using zip discs I'll back up my brother welder... the disintegration was most likely caused by mis-alignment of the disc with the cut.

  • @tyneskipper
    @tyneskipper Рік тому +239

    here in Cambridge angle grinders are a common sight with bike thieves. my worry has always been that if i went to stop someone doing this (as we have zero police presence in the city) that i'd be attacked with an angle grinder. good vid guys

    • @vasharol
      @vasharol Рік тому +2

      Darren Valentine and Co

    • @ChrisP978
      @ChrisP978 Рік тому +50

      You get one free hit so make it count.

    • @palmer3977
      @palmer3977 Рік тому +17

      @@ChrisP978 Sod that imagine getting stabbed over a bike that is not even yours.

    • @Nathan-1234
      @Nathan-1234 Рік тому +13

      there are videos where thieves chase people away wielding angle grinders, only a matter of time until contact is made

    • @lemonshire1
      @lemonshire1 Рік тому +1

      also from cambridge, well known for bike thieves obviously

  • @CC-zm9fw
    @CC-zm9fw 11 місяців тому +260

    SUMMARY of the best locks' performance
    [N.B. I have noted the 'cutting time' as Minutes:Seconds so 1min 15 seconds would be noted as 1:15]
    2:00-2:30
    over a minute to cut a thick Kryptonite extender cable because it resisted the bolt croppers well
    2:48-3:49
    3:02 to angle grind the Superbright chain because it moves around so much
    3:49-4:34
    1:09 to cut the Kryptonite Fahgedaboutit
    4:34-6:25
    3:44 to cut the Litelok X1 (cutting time only - not including time to change the discs)
    6:35-8:47
    Over 10mins to cut the Hiplok D1000 (cutting time only - not including time to change the discs and batteries!)

    • @damoknows1543
      @damoknows1543 11 місяців тому +8

      I hope they're paying you my man

    • @BurhBurhBurh
      @BurhBurhBurh 11 місяців тому +18

      Litelok requires a diamond disc, thief would have to be prepared.

    • @satamique
      @satamique 10 місяців тому

      Thank you!

    • @jc2685
      @jc2685 10 місяців тому +7

      how long does it take to change discs, surely it would have been better including disc change time

    • @Mcree114
      @Mcree114 10 місяців тому +8

      @@BurhBurhBurh They're likely only carrying one cheap disc to save cash because it works on most cheap Amazon/Walmart locks anyway.

  • @philipwebster6913
    @philipwebster6913 Рік тому +146

    I guess that most bike thieves quickly learn to recognise the tougher locks and then simply cut through the structure that you've locked the bike to instead - maybe a test of these staples/racks could be the next security video?

    • @OMGWTFLOLSMH
      @OMGWTFLOLSMH Рік тому +35

      @@LaOwlett - The problem is that they don't punish thieves. Use the Saudi Arabia or Iranian method of theft deterrent.

    • @tero1422
      @tero1422 11 місяців тому +17

      Lock your bike in to lamp post if possible. Thieves won't cut through that or they will think again because electricity.

    • @Orcinus24x5
      @Orcinus24x5 11 місяців тому +43

      @@tero1422 Good luck getting a U-lock to fit around a lamp post.

    • @Big_Red_Dork
      @Big_Red_Dork 11 місяців тому +3

      ​@@Orcinus24x5you use a nice thick chain for that. Sure you're adding another 5lbs to your rig, but it's still worth it imo

    • @likewater1429
      @likewater1429 9 місяців тому +11

      ​@@Big_Red_Dorkthen the lamp post and d lock would be useless as the chain is easier to cut through.

  • @nikanj
    @nikanj 2 місяці тому +33

    It seems the best way to get away with stealing a bike is to set up a camera and pretend you're filming a lock review.

  • @HiplokBikeLocks
    @HiplokBikeLocks Рік тому +401

    Great Video Guys! P.s. We don't hate you 😉

    • @ryanridesbikes1978
      @ryanridesbikes1978 Рік тому +11

      Video obviously sponsored by Hiplok 🙄

    • @Cade_Media
      @Cade_Media  Рік тому +108

      No, sponsored videos have to be declared Ryan.

    • @niekversteege
      @niekversteege Рік тому +40

      @@Cade_Media Why do they have to be declared Ryan? Why not George or John.

    • @Cade_Media
      @Cade_Media  Рік тому +40

      @@niekversteege no Beatles

    • @jonharries7101
      @jonharries7101 Рік тому +4

      @@Cade_Media Did you use the diamond disc on the D1000, seen other videos where they used several normal discs and 2 or 3 batteries & 20 minutes to cut through the lock, this seemed a lot quicker

  • @markreams3192
    @markreams3192 Рік тому +218

    I’ve come to the conclusion after 50 years of cycling that if a thief wants your bike they will get it. The last lock you tested will probably deter 90% of thieves but there’s always that 10% that will defeat even that lock. The thieves you need to worry about are those that know you have nice bikes and come up with a plan on how to steal them. The best defense is the best locks you can get and very good insurance!

    • @iamtoast3397
      @iamtoast3397 Рік тому +97

      And always lock up next to a nicer bike with a cheaper lock 😆

    • @randallgd
      @randallgd Рік тому +19

      How about a safe way to lock bikes on hitch mout bike rack? Recently had $10,000 worth of bikes stolen off a thule T2 pro hitch mount bike rack using their tiny cable lock that was part of the bike rack. It happened when traveling on the back of our car when stopped to do a thirty min hike where no bikes were allowed. Been thinking some way to rig up two beefy chain locks like Hiplok. I know no system is perfect. Just want to be able to leave them on the car for a few hours say at national park parking lot or the like. Bikes won't fit in the car with all our camping gear. Any ideas would be super helpful! Thank you in advance!

    • @markreams3192
      @markreams3192 Рік тому +24

      @@randallgd I have that same rack on the back of my travel trailer. The lock that comes with that rack is very flimsy. I use the Kryptonite New York lock with the heavy chain with the rack lock. After this video I may switch to the Hiplock. Sounds like the thief followed you then grabbed your bikes as soon as you left the car. I think a van without windows would be the best. Build a rack inside the van but still lock the bikes up. Out of sight out of mind!

    • @cwmoo
      @cwmoo Рік тому +9

      Thieves in the bay area, california have started scouting neighborhoods to see who has $10k+ bikes in their garages and breaking into them at night with very specialized tools. They drive a big cargo van into residential neighborhoods and hit a bunch of houses at once.

    • @randallgd
      @randallgd Рік тому

      @@markreams3192 Your spot on

  • @toastie1648
    @toastie1648 Рік тому +77

    I bought the Hiplok gold because of how convenient it is to carry about and keep on my person permanently but seeing it take a while to be cut through just fills me with more confidence in it.

    • @helgarivers6281
      @helgarivers6281 Рік тому +8

      Same here.

    • @crack_squirrels
      @crack_squirrels Рік тому

      Most D-Locks you can just pop on your frame !

    • @belbo1221
      @belbo1221 Рік тому +4

      I wouldn't get that confident - thieves commonly work in teams, and it only needs one of them to hold the thing steady while the other cuts it with the grinder. Then it will last about as long as you'd expect for a 10mm chain link (i.e. a few seconds).

    • @helgarivers6281
      @helgarivers6281 Рік тому +1

      @@belbo1221 I lock my bikes in my backroom in my house when I'm gone, just cuzz bikes are the first thing they take it seems . Thieves, what are they good for?

    • @BobRooney290
      @BobRooney290 Рік тому +3

      @@belbo1221 people are doing it wrong. get a carbon frame foldable ebike with small wheels. easy to put it in a bag or something and take it with you. never need to worry again.

  • @davidspitzwegerich2533
    @davidspitzwegerich2533 Рік тому +74

    How about a video on tracking devices? Since only realy expensive and heavy locks deliver proper security, this seems to make a lot of sense

    • @shushuyu
      @shushuyu Рік тому +8

      yep. when it comes to be able to do something the tracking devices are a better option. once an alert is sent you can call the cops or confront them yourself-most likely don't do it unless you REALLY can fight even then it's not a given that they're unarmed. the best thing to do is to top locks upon locks LMAO! i always bring two ulocks. one chain. a wheel lock with an alarm system. its obviously not theft proof but..its enough for me to take action. 👿

    • @pault1289
      @pault1289 Рік тому +9

      ​@@shushuyu you'd be on your own here in the UK, bike theft is basically decriminalised. The police don't have enough time to investigate it, you just get a crime number and claim on your insurance.

    • @arnargrande1889
      @arnargrande1889 Рік тому +4

      The issue is AirTags aren't actually made for tracking stolen items so the thief gets the notification that an AirTag is traveling with them and throws it out.

    • @xavp76
      @xavp76 10 місяців тому +4

      @@arnargrande1889 It seems that the notification is sent only when the bike arrive at the thief's home or most frequent location. So u still know the thief's home adress, which is pretty nice. And that's if he owns an iphone !

    • @ropacons
      @ropacons 6 місяців тому

      @@arnargrande1889 use a GPS tracker with a sim card. Even when to bike is locked inside a building you'll know its last location. In addition use a bike alarm

  • @IFFB714
    @IFFB714 Рік тому +26

    I give this experiment a 10/10 just for that badass classic chopper bike.

  • @Gidogeek
    @Gidogeek Рік тому +41

    With the strong lock you would've probably cut through the pipe which the bike was attached to faster with the angle grinder.

    • @SB-hr5yr
      @SB-hr5yr 4 місяці тому

      I'm guessing its a cheap modern replica the way they are handling it

  • @thisisadebrown
    @thisisadebrown Рік тому +29

    By the way, you should’ve kept the time it took to change the disks, I believe this is part of the protection, are they going to stand there changing discs or are they going to recognise this lock and not bother?

  • @jdjames997
    @jdjames997 Рік тому +16

    Great video, thanks for making this!! The D1000 is now $299 in the US, pretty crazy expensive lock. I guess if you can carry that much weight it’s the way to go. Thanks again, entertaining and educational 👍

    • @pault1289
      @pault1289 Рік тому

      Putin not worth it for your $500 bike, but ebikes are in the thousands, so much more important to ensure you're lock(s) are tough AF.

  • @pault1289
    @pault1289 Рік тому +2

    Great video, thanks for this. Most of us can't justify expensive locks in the hope they'll defeat thieves - it's good to see the testing. It would be helpful to see other methods of defeating locks - bypass, keverage, etc.

  • @jcsrst
    @jcsrst Рік тому +17

    I love the bike thief casually milling about in the background observing, he's the winner here 🤣

  • @shopvice
    @shopvice Рік тому +50

    I’ve always thought that lock makers should wrap the locks in a sheath made from the same material chain saw chaps are filed with. That fine thread-like material is made to wad up in the chain and would wind up in cut-off wheels.

    • @jurassicchrist
      @jurassicchrist Рік тому +9

      Damn great idea, you could even sell a sleeve that fits on different locks

    • @Big_Red_Dork
      @Big_Red_Dork Рік тому +7

      Angle grinders and chainsaws operate on different cutting principles and the kevlar fibres wouldn't do much against an angle grinder. The best defense against angle grinders is thickness, denying clearance, and alternative metal alloys/materials that require specialized cutting disks. All of this adds either cost or weight and there are locks that do it, but expect to pay big $$$ to get a lock that's resistant to an angle grinder (but will ultimately likely be vulnerable to another attack like leverage or picking or whatever). Layer your defenses(ie. Chain+short U-Lock), choose good anchor points that are harder to cut than the lock itself, and spend the extra time to put the lock in that hard to reach place that's hard to install, but even harder to get a grinder, bolt cutter, or some form of leverage into.

    • @collinyan7467
      @collinyan7467 10 місяців тому +2

      they should put pockets of tannerite in the lock that will give any thief a real scare

    • @Big_Red_Dork
      @Big_Red_Dork 10 місяців тому +2

      @@collinyan7467 and give you an expensive ticket to jail for using explosive booby traps. No matter that thieves like this are scum, the system wants the cops and firefighters to be able to break into your property and home safely, for your benefit or for theirs

  • @kaylasaenz4628
    @kaylasaenz4628 4 місяці тому

    Thank you guys so much! Very helpful! 🙏

  • @sarahdotcom
    @sarahdotcom Рік тому +6

    Hiplok should be giving you so many bike locks for all of the free advertising you are giving them!

  • @rayman5704
    @rayman5704 Рік тому

    Thanks for your work! This is what I looking for

  • @christophed4579
    @christophed4579 7 місяців тому +1

    Very nice test, thanks.

  • @LinkMarioRacing
    @LinkMarioRacing Рік тому +23

    Awesome video. Should check out some folding locks next. Like the foldylock forever, which is rated gold. Would love to see other top brands like abus so we can see what ends up being the strongest in each product category.

  • @Hurc7495
    @Hurc7495 11 місяців тому +4

    the yellow smoke was your grinding disk floating off to heaven :D

  • @batchmotors
    @batchmotors Рік тому +7

    One of the most common ways that thieves try and steal bikes locked up with a D-Lock is to pick up the bike and rotate it attempting to use the bike as a lever to break the lock apart. I’ve seen a lot of bikes with dented/damaged top tubes because thieves have tried this! It would make a fun video!

    • @notkaty
      @notkaty Рік тому +1

      Don't think that would work well with a carbon frame

    • @3MatthewR
      @3MatthewR Рік тому +3

      omg i've just found out how they damaged my frame. I didn't quite get in until now O_O

  • @nicojar
    @nicojar Рік тому +27

    Guys! For the Hiplok => it's really easy to open with a simple rebar, as the lock (where you put the key) itself is fragile when under tension. The rest of the anti-theft device is actually quite solid but quite heavy too.
    Also: yes, for a manganese-steel chain, letting it loose is better, as it's very hard to find an angle for the grinder.
    On the other hand, if you take a u-lock => SHORT. You don't want to be able to pass a rebar in this, or worse, a jack. So U-lock = short, chain = medium or long (short will give tension, so easier to cut);

    • @zachary.hunter
      @zachary.hunter Рік тому +2

      That's really helpful! When you say the Hiplok is easy to break with a rebar, are talking about the D1000 or the Gold Superbright one?

    • @pault1289
      @pault1289 Рік тому +3

      But it's important that the chain isn't too long and can't be laid on the ground. As that makes it easier to attack.

    • @kiradotee
      @kiradotee 9 місяців тому

      Do a video how to open it. You'll get millions of views and Hiplok themselves will look at it.

    • @llncm
      @llncm 8 місяців тому +2

      Not convinced a rebar will open any diamond sold secure lock

  • @themeatpopsicle
    @themeatpopsicle Рік тому +62

    There are a couple different attack vectors that can be successful against u-locks, namely leverage attacks and fixture attacks (cutting the rack instead of the lock). Would love to see more in this series!

    • @telepoiss
      @telepoiss Рік тому +6

      Yeah, had the same question. How long to just saw through the bikerack and bend it enough to slip the lock off the end of it.

    • @KiliGraphics
      @KiliGraphics Рік тому +1

      For a successful leverage attack you need space as well as a lock with no double locking mechanism or being weak itself. Don't give it to thieves and your good to go.

    • @themeatpopsicle
      @themeatpopsicle Рік тому

      @@KiliGraphics that's true-ish on a superficial level, but ultimately unhelpful

    • @DTM93
      @DTM93 Рік тому +3

      What about hammer attacks? I thought most people would just hammer the lock off these easily.

  • @Havana-man
    @Havana-man 5 місяців тому +3

    Make the locks all like cash-in-transit boxes and when the lock is half cut through, it releases a load of orange die which covers the thief and won't come off, including their skin.

    • @RichRotorhead
      @RichRotorhead 2 місяці тому

      There is one that releases a foul smell of I recall

  • @mattybravo9104
    @mattybravo9104 5 місяців тому

    Cool video, im Happy ive chosen the Hiplock Gold Superbright as my primary lock.

  • @jstamuggle4723
    @jstamuggle4723 Рік тому +3

    Great video! Would like for you to try the TiGr lock. They have a blue steel and titanium version. Works like a U lock but more unique construction.

  • @user-cx2bk6pm2f
    @user-cx2bk6pm2f Рік тому +67

    Was that a real bike thief? If so, you guys were WAYYYY too nice.

    • @mvp_kryptonite
      @mvp_kryptonite Рік тому +14

      Precisely my thought too

    • @ItsGamein
      @ItsGamein Рік тому

      Search up "journalist privilege," journalists don't have to reveal information to courts for the sake of their stories, it's a similar concept here, just with bikes
      If they revealed the thief's identify, it compromises their ability to make a better youtube video, and weirdly, their ability to help people keep their bikes from being stolen

    • @OMGWTFLOLSMH
      @OMGWTFLOLSMH Рік тому +26

      They should have applied the bolt cutters to a few of his fingers.

  • @duncanmartin2626
    @duncanmartin2626 Рік тому +5

    Could you do a home security/anchor type test? It feels like loads of the more expensive bike thefts are from garages, so it would be good to see if it's possible to stop those sorts of attacks as well.

  • @jaypoly
    @jaypoly Рік тому +1

    Haha...great fun. Love the Chopper ...had an original one.. happy mixed memories. 😂

  • @Bukoe
    @Bukoe Рік тому +5

    The diamond Disc is for cutting Stone/concrete. it can cut iron but it sux at it .. =) The cheep discs are way better for metal but will grind down fast =) i buy boxes of 25 for work that is :P

    • @FicaGTI
      @FicaGTI Рік тому

      Good observation, I also thought that they are not using right cutting disc, maybe other ones but that blue one was for concrete/stone

  • @BobCoalWater
    @BobCoalWater Місяць тому +2

    One important test is missing, grinding the bike rack bar itself.

  • @nicholasreading3744
    @nicholasreading3744 Рік тому +4

    Nice video lads. What were the different weights of these locks? It's great to have a lock that's tough to get through, but how much weight are you prepared to carry everywhere with you?

  • @tristan2631
    @tristan2631 5 місяців тому +3

    Thanks for the video, my e-bike almost got stolen in broad daylight on main street in 250k people city/town with electric angle grinder. My lock was Abus bordo, the second best one they have. They got 1/3 through in seconds, luckily other biker heard the noise and came to the rescue. Now I'm going to buy that Litelok x1. Problem is that they are pretty much unavailable anywhere. Too much Demand?

  • @ginacardarella
    @ginacardarella Рік тому +1

    Great video would love to see you guys show us how to lock our bikes up so it's harder for thieves

  • @HypocritesExposd
    @HypocritesExposd 5 місяців тому

    Thank you so much for this video! I learned so much and I’m sure I can make more money in my selling business than ever before!

  • @StornofuerKasse3
    @StornofuerKasse3 Рік тому +45

    nice test. Would love to see how fast you can grind the bike stand the bike is locked on to see if that's the quicker way to steal the bike.

    • @vasharol
      @vasharol Рік тому +1

      @@liamkaloy Go to Cambridge or London and you will be surprised by how many bike thieves there are that just steal bikes openly in public places because they know that no one will stop them

    • @adriancojocaru8147
      @adriancojocaru8147 Рік тому

      @@liamkaloy ua-cam.com/users/shortsomwszNh36J4

    • @eoghanmyers2330
      @eoghanmyers2330 Рік тому +1

      @@liamkaloy yeah, tbh if people are confident enough to use an angle grinder then you didn't leave your bike in a good place

    • @vasharol
      @vasharol Рік тому +10

      @@liamkaloy have you not seen the video of the gang of teenagers stealing a bike from what I think was a train station with an angle grinder in the middle of the day with people watching

    • @Cade_Media
      @Cade_Media  Рік тому +12

      I think that was outside a hospital! Or maybe that was a different video. Definitely seen a few videos of thieves using angle grinders in london.

  • @willparsons9551
    @willparsons9551 Рік тому

    Love the content as usual. Can you do a tyre update for 2023. The Scott Tuned on tubes and tubeless as it’s a banging all rounder you could compare a wide variety from road slick to gravel? Fancy that?

  • @Listen2mycreep
    @Listen2mycreep 7 місяців тому

    I used a chain a lot like the hiplock back when I was in college almost every day for 4.5 years. The one time I left it over a weekend outside the gym, I came back to find handlebars, wheels and seat all missing. But my chain and frame were still there!

  • @leejefferson7011
    @leejefferson7011 Рік тому

    Great video, I loved all the science lingo! 😂

  • @iane2983
    @iane2983 Рік тому +5

    Another option is just to get another really cheap bike with a decent lock you can use when you know you need to go somewhere and leave your bike outside for a while.

  • @mrkiosk245
    @mrkiosk245 Рік тому

    I love the face shield and then the cut to the shorts😂

  • @monopolyn
    @monopolyn Рік тому

    ah yess my fave Cade series, bike lock tests

  • @bionicgeff
    @bionicgeff Рік тому +12

    They should have some bear spray in these locks so it sprays yo face when u cut them

    • @chickenpoodle
      @chickenpoodle Рік тому

      if i recall correctly, something similar was included in one lock design, which prompted many examinations from a legal perspective and it was deemed illegal. which is why we haven't seen any other iterations of such a lock. i may be mistaken. but yes i'm with you on this. i loved the idea.

    • @unsafevelocities5687
      @unsafevelocities5687 Рік тому

      @@chickenpoodle Not arguing with you, but I have no idea why that should be illegal. If one has to commit an illegal act in order to be "hurt", then it's just deserts. Who are we trying to protect with laws like this, the thieving rats or the bike's owner?

  • @IvoPavlik
    @IvoPavlik 11 місяців тому +2

    Fantastic test. This is what lock tests should look like. Thanks!
    Just next time end the video with a summary of the lock models, prices, times to cut through them.

    • @jackl7778
      @jackl7778 8 місяців тому +1

      its kind of flawed though because they put the u-locks on incorrectly. it would have been more difficult to cut them all if they locked the frame and wheel since they wouldnt have been able to raise the bike and hang it off the lock like that for stable weight tension to cut easier.

    • @IvoPavlik
      @IvoPavlik 8 місяців тому

      @@jackl7778 fair enough

  • @hjwatso1
    @hjwatso1 Рік тому +5

    Ha, love your new friend - well not, but an interesting addition to the team! I bought the Hiplok massively expensive lock because of your review, I also told one of the founders that's why I wanted in. They should love you. Sorry, they don't like you. Litelok core would be a good test and also, as you say, does how you lock your bike up make a difference?

  • @Snaily
    @Snaily Рік тому +1

    I've had 3 Fahgettaboutits. The first 2, I walked up to my bike as people were going at them with an angle grinder. If I'd only had my Keeper that day, those 30 seconds would've been the difference between me walking home that day and me cycling home. These days I use both D locks and chains for stays more than a couple of minutes.

    • @rited
      @rited 3 місяці тому

      Damn what bike do you have? I have a pricey fixed gear with a standard New York bike lock in London, never stolen in 12 years

  • @aznvinsanity
    @aznvinsanity Рік тому +7

    It would be interesting to see how well heavy duty chain type locks do considering how much they might move around when an angle grinder gets at them. Even potential of the blade breaking and flinging debris at the thief. Also I assume it be best practice to have some slack when using chain locks like the Krytonite New York Chain lock so that you need to find a way to brace it with something making it more of a hassle. also prevents some leverage attacks as its not a ridge piece of metal.

    • @The-KP
      @The-KP 11 місяців тому +2

      Much like these chaps did, there was once a bike shop in Manhattan that rated the bike locks and chains it sold by the number of minutes it took to cut through then with an angle grinder. They placed circle stickers with the minutes on the packaging of each lock. They were all under 10. I instead went with the lock favored by NYC shop merchants for locking down the protective metal shutters over their store fronts each night. Case hardened shackle, combined with a case hardened anchor chain. I never lost a bike.

    • @aznvinsanity
      @aznvinsanity 11 місяців тому

      @@The-KP Good to know, thanks for the info.

  • @Velobetty
    @Velobetty Рік тому +1

    I've just ordered a LITELOK X3 with the hope it's solid enough to withstand a bit of angle-grinding!

    • @geegee8625
      @geegee8625 Рік тому +1

      Make sure your putting it through the back wheel and frame and bike stand also definitely put a alarm on your bike, I have X3 and D1000 and have 3 alarms
      So peace of mind is at 99%

  • @malte7229
    @malte7229 Рік тому

    The new dynamic is refreshing

  • @grahambell9831
    @grahambell9831 Рік тому

    Top video on the south bank of the Tyne gents 👏.
    Security locks used at home as a test vlog Francis? That way you could test home made locks and motor cycle chain locks? Your not wrong about the one way systems in Newcastle! 😯😅

  • @notl33t
    @notl33t Рік тому +1

    LOL my protection is that my bike is not the nicest in the rack. Now that I know about Hiplok, I'll definitely think about that for the next lock.

  • @Jaaaaaffff
    @Jaaaaaffff Рік тому +5

    "My ears hurt." Wear eye AND hearing protection. ALWAYS.

  • @PurePresentations
    @PurePresentations Рік тому +5

    I use a couple of LiteLoks, it'd be interesting to see how they fair in one of these tests.

    • @orion7741
      @orion7741 Рік тому +1

      did you watch the video?? i ask you that because they did test a LiteLok in this video....

  • @thebennyball
    @thebennyball Рік тому +20

    Why did you go to all this hassle and expense and then not standardise the test?
    It's commonly known that a diamond cutting disc will outperform others, so if a theif is walking around with an angle grinder I'm sure they would have a diamond disc.

    • @orion7741
      @orion7741 Рік тому +1

      no. diamond discs do nothing against hardened steel. they are really only effective against ceramic and concrete. the regular abrasive based cutoff wheels are still the best for steel and metals.

    • @thebennyball
      @thebennyball Рік тому

      @@orion7741 It doesn't matter what the disc is made from, they are all abrasive as its the mechanism used for cutting.
      The harder the material, the more resistant it is to wear; therefore it can cut harder for longer, assuming it can cope with the heat generated.
      Diamond is >4 times the hardness of cobalt steel, and the specific heat capacity is ~10-50% greater.
      Therefore a diamond disc will certainly cut hardened steel and perform better than a steel only disc in all cases

    • @dave83x
      @dave83x Рік тому

      @@thebennyball vids are for fun lol

    • @Orcinus24x5
      @Orcinus24x5 11 місяців тому +5

      @@thebennyball Sorry, but you are incorrect. Hardness is not the only consideration for cutting steel. The problem with diamond cutting discs when used to cut steel is that the carbon (which is what diamond is solely made out of) wants to alloy with the iron in the steel as you're cutting it. This leads to premature wear of the diamond, and a diamond cutting disc only has a thin layer of diamond applied to it. Once it's gone, it's gone. Aluminum oxide (and all other cutting discs for that matter) are self-sharpening all the way through as you use up the disc. A plain aluminum oxide cutting disc will ALWAYS cut steel faster than a diamond disc. Diamond tooling used on angle grinders is intended only for masonry (brick, concrete, cinderblocks, etc.) and glass.

  • @peteturner8493
    @peteturner8493 Рік тому +5

    Well done, I never understood why diamond discs never got used when attempting to cut thru higher graded locks on other UA-cam videos. I own several ebikes but never leave those unattended or any of my other bikes.

    • @Orcinus24x5
      @Orcinus24x5 11 місяців тому +3

      Diamond discs are actually pretty lousy for cutting through steel. With the elevated heat of cutting, the carbon in the diamond wants to alloy with the iron in the steel, and it tends to wear out fast.

    • @peteturner8493
      @peteturner8493 11 місяців тому

      @@Orcinus24x5 What about the steel discs impregnated with diamond i use go through concrete & steel no issues?

  • @steveanderson1779
    @steveanderson1779 11 місяців тому

    Great video, saved me lots of researching I will get the "Terminator T1000" I meant D1000. Thanks

  • @Likelybiking
    @Likelybiking Рік тому +3

    Look up the Altor SAF lock. It has an aluminum outer with a steel core so that it ruins the cutting discs.

  • @MIGUZZZZ
    @MIGUZZZZ 5 місяців тому

    For the next video about this topic I’d love to see a collab with the one and only “Lockpickinglawyer” 😂😂😂😂

  • @SuperRichie200
    @SuperRichie200 Рік тому

    😂just bought a hiplock. Respect guys am in Newcastle too. Subscribed

  • @frazergoodwin4945
    @frazergoodwin4945 Рік тому +6

    You get to the stage of the lock being just WAY harder to cut than whatever it is attached to. Be interesting next time to see how fast you can cut the Sheffield stand bike rack...

  • @amak7106
    @amak7106 Рік тому +2

    I'm curious to know how a thick braided cable, say 3/4 in, would fare if it replaced the steel shackle of a u-lock. Would a mix of aluminum and steel wires screw up an angle grinder by 'lubricating' the disc? Or maybe a braided cable in parallel with a steel shackle. Anyhow, it seems like a layer of aluminum would mess up any grinder.

  • @alextorresphoto
    @alextorresphoto Рік тому +1

    You should time how long it takes to remove the bolts from the floor of the rack. In NYC some racks are loose and people forget to check, and then come back to find the rack on the floor and the bike gone.

  • @Wuhlz
    @Wuhlz 11 місяців тому +1

    I only lock up my ebike if it is eyesight, no lock will stop a determined thief, its only the quality of the lock that might slow them down. I have an alarm, a disc brake lock and a Ulock with "courtesy cable" to deter a thief to take an easier bike.

  • @obionemoreslice2479
    @obionemoreslice2479 Рік тому

    More stuff like this please 🙏

  • @seattlegrrlie
    @seattlegrrlie Рік тому +8

    Most of the time, any lock outside a cafe or on your vehicle is enough to deter theft. My friend got her bike stolen leaning it outside a coffee shop. A determined theif with time and planning will get your bike no matter the lock system

  • @jcruz5050
    @jcruz5050 7 місяців тому +2

    I wonder if these lock manufacturers use tungsten the hardest metal on earth, also notoriously hard to work with, I almost quit a job wher we melted all sorts of metals w/tungsten & had to keep it above 6000 degrees! It cooled so fast tho it was super frustrating trying to pour the stuff

  • @Forthought44
    @Forthought44 11 місяців тому

    Realistic lock testing video. Would be interesting to see a future video using bigger chain locks with 12mm, 14 mm and 16mm thick chain links and also different chain types like round, hexaganol and square. I use three locks on my mtb. Hiplok gold chain, hiplok dx u lock and an Urban chain lock with 14mm rounded links ! So far nobody has attempted to steal it in three years and i live in a city.

  • @WillStewart2012
    @WillStewart2012 Рік тому +3

    The problem is no matter much you spend on a lock if you see a thief wielding an angle grinder you're probably not going to approach and try to stop them. Have seen it numerous times in London

  • @pablomedina4329
    @pablomedina4329 Рік тому +1

    So, could you test one of the abus locks that have alarms, the ones that are like a few flat pieces of metal riveted together, i use one without the alarms for mexico city with a cable for the front wheel and so far i haven't had any issues

  • @DarenC
    @DarenC Рік тому +4

    Are bike locks easier to cut through than Sheffield stands?

  • @nleo4145
    @nleo4145 2 місяці тому

    Very cool video ...I'd like to see you using a car jack to break apart a litelock X3 Vs a Hiplock 1000!

  • @xowaspxowasp5772
    @xowaspxowasp5772 5 місяців тому +1

    Portable oxy acetylene. No noise, just a heat signature 👍

  • @user-bs1ds3ik9h
    @user-bs1ds3ik9h 2 місяці тому +1

    The Best Lock is that you can not brake throw it .
    It's called ABUS
    Granite Super Extreme 2500/165HB230.
    Special Tungsten Carbide Material Increases.
    Made in Germany
    Rated 15+

    • @dangrth
      @dangrth Місяць тому

      From some tests, it's more fragile against diamond discs than the x3 and the DX1000 though. It's also awfully heavy.

  • @Lo-ResTom
    @Lo-ResTom Рік тому +2

    I've heard that an old Volvo jack is a quick ULock breaker. Not so loud also. 😜

  • @maumor2
    @maumor2 10 місяців тому +1

    Most bike thieves work in groups, one guy has the grinder and goes thru 2 or 3 bikes on a rack while others wait and jump in the bikes as soon as he is done. Besides my usual chain lock (always prefer a chain, they are not easy to cut because they move too much for the disc to get a steady angle) I always have two padlocks attached to multiple spokes upfront and one that links the chain to the frame in the rear) I once found my bike laying next to the rack, chain was cut I guess they panicked when the whole thing wouldn't move

  • @kingoftf
    @kingoftf 11 місяців тому +1

    the easiest and safest way to pick a bike lock in public without being bothered is to stand next to it with a smartphone and then tell the eyewitnesses "we're doing a test on the security of bike locks".
    No one will question that.

  • @Omar_-5
    @Omar_-5 10 місяців тому

    Yup I'm getting the light lock x1 and the hiplok

  • @randallgd
    @randallgd Рік тому +1

    How about a safe way to lock bikes on hitch mout bike rack? Recently had $10,000 worth of bikes stolen off a thule T2 pro hitch mount bike rack using their tiny cable lock that was part of the bike rack. It happened when traveling on the back of our car when stopped to do a thirty min hike where no bikes were allowed. Been thinking some way to rig up two beefy chain locks like Hiplok. I know no system is perfect. Just want to be able to leave them on the car for a few hours say at national park parking lot or the like. Bikes won't fit in the car with all our camping gear. Any ideas would be super helpful! Thank you in advance!

  • @donaldtank
    @donaldtank Рік тому

    How many locks would make it to much trouble to get the bike and how can I lock up my hesa tango delta trike recumbent?

  • @siobhanbaynes
    @siobhanbaynes Рік тому +3

    If you haven't tried it already, you should try the Altor Saf lock, the beast of all bike locks!

    • @Same_ol_jee
      @Same_ol_jee Рік тому +1

      I just came across that one , getting that one for my scooter. But I never leave my scooter outside . Only time I probably will need to lock it is when I’m at the gym . I will carry my scooter up and down flights of stairs before leaving outside.

  • @unclemeat7310
    @unclemeat7310 Рік тому

    Excellent video. Would love to see how a Kryptonite 1060 fairs.

  • @carsone475
    @carsone475 Рік тому +1

    Great video, I would be curious how these locks do against a hydraulic wire cutter

  • @PatisserieRoyale
    @PatisserieRoyale Рік тому +1

    Great video! Could you guys try to cut with grinder a diamond rated u lock? Its the Oxford Shackle 14 mm Pro U-Lock

  • @aluxtaiwan2691
    @aluxtaiwan2691 11 місяців тому +1

    The strength of a chain are as strong as the weakest link.
    Lock picking and bypass are actually even easier way to get it open. It would be nice to send them to the lock picking professional to do an ultimate test.

  • @andrewtran5727
    @andrewtran5727 6 місяців тому

    Watching you angle grinder the hiplok d1000. If it is going to take that long to cut through it. Won't it be faster to just cut through whatever it is bolted too?

  • @Renbits
    @Renbits 10 місяців тому +1

    id love to see u test chain locks like the EVOLUTION 1090 or the evolution 1275 from kryptonite

  • @mihaelachiscovici
    @mihaelachiscovici 10 місяців тому

    Very sturdy and heavy bike!!!

  • @hugoed3740
    @hugoed3740 Рік тому

    Is there a case for using a decent/reasonably substantial/affordable lock that would deter the "opportunist" thief in the belief that you will not deter the "professional" thief, even with the most expensive lock? As mention before your bike is only as secure as the weakest link, aka (hollow?) bike stand.
    Final thought, a thief who does not manage to steal your bike could take out their frustration/disappointment by trashing the bike instead.
    So for future videos, I would be interested to hear about GPS bike trackers BUT that will not be as entertaining as seeing your reviews of all things bike and bike-DIY related.
    Francis, Jimmy and Nic, thank you for another great video, keep it up!

  • @bsidethecside2283
    @bsidethecside2283 Рік тому +8

    How well did the new Litelok 'Barronium' coating stand up to the diamond blade? Pretty much every test to date has focussed on the established [non-diamond] cutting grinder blades. Was it effective against the diamond? The Hiplok seems to offer v. good resistance against both types, so the top-end the battle will end up as Hiplok D1000 v's Litelok X3 (with extra coating).

    • @crack_squirrels
      @crack_squirrels Рік тому +2

      Yeah I don't get this, surely thieves would just use the best diamond discs you can get seeing as they get quite a bit of money for each cut?

  • @ScotHarkins
    @ScotHarkins 7 місяців тому

    I find myself wondering why not two of the mid-grade Hiplok lock chains on one bike? Two chains or locks to cut...would that add enough hassle to equate a single D1000?
    After watching LPL pick through some of these, and the ubiquity (at least in the US) of lock picking tools, I am now looking at the difficulty to pick as well as cut.

  • @johnnyloco11
    @johnnyloco11 Рік тому +3

    the litelok X3 might be worth a look at. The same price as the Hiplok but apparently has better protection

    • @Cade_Media
      @Cade_Media  Рік тому +8

      Yep we’re hoping to get hold of one of these soon

    • @joecexe1
      @joecexe1 Рік тому +5

      fucking hell, £250 though xd

  • @Velobetty
    @Velobetty Рік тому

    Another great testing video! I was thinking about the Abus Granit Extreme 59 lock, could you test-cut one of those for me? 😁

  • @mukkaar
    @mukkaar 11 місяців тому

    For me, kryptonite evolution mini-7 with the cable is the ultimate lock. It isn't the strongest, but it's strong enough with reasonable weight. Cable is especially important since you can secure your wheels with it and it gives further flexibility on where you can lock your bike. If you use the cable, bike also look quite an hassle to steal. I have that and folding lock, the folding lock isn't actually that strong against professional thief, but where I live it's plenty enough. U lock + cable is for touring mainly. If someone gets the bike with that, it would get stolen no matter what.
    Though, if you actually live in high bike theft area, something like kryptonite New Yorker is probably good to have.

  • @johnpatterson3598
    @johnpatterson3598 11 місяців тому

    Love your content

  • @debelifratar
    @debelifratar Рік тому +1

    What's the smallest oxy acetylene torch kit one can get? Asking for a friend 🙈

  • @ElRealista.
    @ElRealista. Рік тому

    For some ULuck, if you are bringing a grinder like that, its quixker to cut the metal where the bike is attached rhan cutting the lock.