The problem here in Long Beach, California is that the thief could change 5 blades in broad daylight around a crowd of people and still nobody will call the cops. The thieves don't care.
Sure, lock the bike alone and disappear, it can be easily taken without hesitation for sure. But I like its chances parked next to a few good bikes with any lesser lock including Fahgettaboutit now. I've never had a bike stolen when parked next to a better bike with a lesser lock.
@@thelockpickinglebowski633 This should be the song sequel to "I Left My Wallet in El Segundo." Also, I've lived in NYC, Chicago and now SF. My theory still holds true: always park next to nicer bikes with lesser locks... preferably more than one. But places with easy car access like LB, I'd prefer to park next to as many bikes that can fit in a cargo van :)
Next time hold the grinder 'level' or inline with the plane of the blade once you develope a cut-slot (i.e., curf). In the video, just before the disk breaks (6:40 - 6:50ish), it is going through a significant amount of bending for each of thousands(?) of rpm. Most anything is going to break under this condition. This is also very likely to be the source of a lot of the grabbing you are getting. It still looks like the angle grinder is iffy.
Came here to say this, my dude here is putting a lot of side load on his disc which is why he got lots of heat and not a lot of cutting, and ultimately two shattered discs.
Apologies if someone has already mentioned this. Here in the UK the most important tool a "professional" bike thief has is what you would call a panel van. This means it's not how long it takes them to cut through the lock hasp, but how long it takes them to cut through the fence that the bike is locked to! The bike with the lock still attached then goes in the back of the van, the thief then attacks the lock in the comfort and seclusion of their workshop. These guys steal maybe 10 bikes a day, and they know which bikes are worth stealing. A bike lock has 2 functions 1) It forces the "casual" thief to go steal someone else's bike. 2) It demonstrates to your insurance company that you've taken reasonable precautions to prevent your bike from being stolen. Your bike is fully insured isn't it!
I totally agree. No lock in the world, no gps, no alarm can protect your bike against targeted attacks. But It will deter opportunity thiefs. For everything else you need insurance. Here in germany I pay like 6€ a month for an insurance that will reimburse me the full new price of my bike if stolen.
What blade did you use to cut the other side of the lock, as you went through it very quickly with one blade. And someone who claims to use angle grinders a lot you put a lot of pressure and side/twisting load on those disc's.
What about one of those locks with a hollow inner tube with a skin irritant or some crazy red dye that doesn’t wash out. Then when the disc spins it gets all over everything and ruins clothes, skin, everything!! Just a thought!
Very questionable legality. I wouldn't use such security measures without consulting an attorney first. I know that's stupid, as a thief hurting themself in committing a crime should be their own fault, but this is premeditated to injure a thief during the same commission. Thieves have successfully sued places they tried to steal from after being injured during the commission, so you might be doing more harm to yourself by using such security measures than you would be helping yourself. Seek legal counsel before using such measures.
I must have missed the "This has video has been brought to you by this video's sponsor, Litelok." As others have already commented, dude was flexing the hell out of the blade in the moments leading up to the blade breaking. Not something someone with lots of experience with that tool would do. I get the feeling that even if this is fairly resistant to cheapo cutoff wheels a diamond blade would zip right through it.
@@truantray the lock industry isn’t a scam per say, it’s just that to make a truly unpick-able lock isn’t financially sound for lock companies. Just like making a lightbulb that doesn’t last for 200,000 hours+ isn’t sound for a light bulb manufacturer. Most locks are built around social compliance that 99.9% of people that see the lock won’t try to either pick it or break it. Then you have 0.01% left most of which is people who will try to break a lock and not pick it. 🤷🤔 The fact is, if someone really really wants to take your bike, they’re gonna take it regardless of the lock. So best defence is to not leave your bike in a public area where it’s easily accessed, and if you have to lock it up in a public space rather than a private one, make it look as unappealing to a thief as possible. If I leave mine in a public space I use a kryptonite heavy chain lock to secure one side, plus a U lock to secure my front wheel both linked with a cable lock.
@@truantray sure but that's not the way people are stealing bikes. I have never seen a lock left open. It's always either cut in half or smashed. And you have to learn to use picking tools. The learning curve on a angle grinder isn't that high
that's what happens with sponsored videos with kickbacks, they seem to not try as hard with the company that paid them. He Kept flexing the blade on purpose so it would destroy the cutting blade, notice how he didn't do that with the kryptonite , he was basically "grinding" with the side of the cutter on this " cut resistant" lock. But I'm sure he will make some money from the gullible people out there.
The pluralization of hi’s titles drove me nuts as well. And calling them blade’s. But hey it made me commen’t so maybe hes just super good at playin’g dumb
It doesn't matter... Once somebody takes the grinder to your bike, it's already gone and you've messed up like 5 times before it ever get's that far... Google the "survival onion" and apply it to the theft of your bike: You are relying on the very center of the onion, when you SHOULD be relying on all the outer layers and just have the core as the backup/root of it all...
100%, that's exactly why his cutting discs failed. You can easily see how warped the disc is while it's cutting because he's twisting the tool so much. This is a recipe for disaster when cutting ANY material.
I observed that too. I was like "wtf, don't bend the tool upwards like that" - it's so clear on the video how the disc really warps and bends. "I can feel it grab the disc" - like that would be some property of the material - it's simply the disc getting pinched because of the bending. That's also why it got so hot (plastic coating to run off like wax 😂), since it behaves pretty much like a disc brake creating friction heating. The heat may help though - making the material somewhat softer and easier to cut. I have cut some hardened steel, that's cut slowly at first, but then suddenly the cutting speeds up and it gets as easy to cut as ordinary mild steel - it gets so hot by the friction heat that the material get annealed. But then it would be better to use a torch and then cut, than breaking the discs.
If they were to put individual 10mm freely rotating outer shroud pieces all along U lock bar section, then the angle grinder would in effect just spin those pieces instead of cutting through them, meaning that the thief would effectively need three hands to cut the bar, 1 hand to hold the grinder, 1 hand to hold the lock in place and one hand to hold the spinning outer shroud section with pliers to avoid injury.
Yea but they're 600 bucks for the real ones. I'd rather just get 70 dollar a year insurance, a cheap GPS tracker and a 100 dollar lock like I have and it's much more cost effective. And you can find your own bike or send the cops to it's last location...But even if you can't get it back you get a new one and a rental bike until you get your new bike. At least that's my policy(66/year).
@@jdgoesham5381 The Hiplock D1000 is about $300 over here but you are right that it's too expensive which is why I don't have one. I have 2 locks which are effective against anything but an angle grinder, two air tags (one in the tyre, one in the stem) and a 120DB alarm. I removed the speakers from the airtags so the theives can't find them. Sounds like a good policy! I'll check out insurance over here but the only policies I have seen have been stupidly expensive
It took 10 minutes and 10 discs to cut ONE side from what I've seen. The D1000 is $300, NOT $600. How is $300 "too much" when nice bikes - especially nice ebikes - are $4-6k, NOT $1k these days? When you spent $50 to protect an $800 bike 20 years ago, $300 for a $5k bike is actually a little less security money spent per bike dollar. The math checks out. Saw a $5k cargo ebike locked in the SF Bay Area with a basic, old tech lock recently. THIS is the perfect candidate for this new breed of locks. Yes, use GPS trackers. Yes, get insurance. Yes, be smart. But use the best lock!
@@ruzziasht349 so you sleep with your bike? Shower with it? Attend a concert with it? Go to work with it? Have sex with it next to you?!!!! And what if you have more than one? Do you ride your first bike with your second bike over your shoulder? EVERYONE leaves a bike behind. I HATE the saying, "Oh, my bike's TOO NICE to lock!" No one is always with their bike. EVERY bike is left unattended, so EVERY BIKE SHOULD BE LOCKED! All 12 of my garaged bikes are locked right now. In a double-locked garage with beefed-up locks. And with active video surveillance 24/7. They're also all fully insured. Some have GPS trackers. And some of the locks have extra pipe sections attached for added security. (Yes, I'm kinda bonkers when it comes to bike security.) However, many are irreplaceable as they aren't made anymore, hand-made by a small builder and/or have custom paint, so it's important that I never lose a bike or have to collect on insurance in the first place.
what did you cut the second side with? I notice it went straight through with one blade and was a much cleaner cut without even melting the plastic outer. Was it a diamond blade?
The second side was cut with the same disk he finishes the 1st side....it was just used correctly and NOT twisted while cutting, so it didn't have the catastrophic failure of the first two disks. Also note the severe lack of heat damage (melted vinyl cover) on the second cut. It makes one wonder if the first cut was ....dramatized.... just a wee little bit.
@@mikedeloach6849 That's what I was thinking. Was he twisting the angle grinder on the first cuts to torque and break the blades. There was a lot of heat generation.
To answer your questions Diamond blade was used on the 2nd cut at the end of the video. I was not intentionally flexing the blade in any way shape or form. Film yourself using these Ulta thin blades and you will find that's just how the work, the spin so fast and are so thing they flex while cutting no matter how straight you hold it.
@@mikedeloach6849 I call bullshit as well. He was trying to break the blade by flexing it. Also the camera is not close enough to see exactly what is happening. If your pushing hard enough that the blade is flexing just ease off and let the blade do the work
People think that if they lock their bike in a backstreet, a hidden place that their bike will be safer. The problem with that is that the thief has all the time in the world to get that bike. Lock your ride where everyone can see it, which may deter a crook to steal it if it's in a high traffic pedestrian area.
Very good demo. Thieves who barely qualify to be called human beings will adapt, of course. For example, they will carry several angle grinders and simply switch grinders instead of switching blades. They will also cut through the rack (as others have mentioned). And for bikes with high-end components, they will cut through the frame to sacrifice it in order to get the parts.
▪️ I used to work with an Egyptian guy. One day, he said to me "In Egypt, if someone catch you stealing - they Chop off Your HAND. And also in Egypt - NOBODY STEAL!" 🟥
Also - I wonder how a diamond blade would do. I got one for my big (230 mm angle grinder) that was labelled as "demolition disc" and cut pretty much everything. For mild steel and aluminium it cuts about the same speed as an normal disc but it lasts like 100 times longer. For really hard material, like hard fire bricks with high alumina content, it cuts significantly faster - those material can sometimes pulverize a standard disc after like 2 cuts. Now when I remember it, I also tried cutting ceramic tubes to the right length for an electric furnace that I built (those tubes are used to hold up the heating elements) with my small grinder (125 mm disc) that I don't have any diamond blades for. Those were so hard that a whole new disc got pulverized after one cut (and it was not "metal" discs, but labelled for cutting rock - although, the material of those seems very similar to the standard steel cutting ones, they are just thicker). Also I was not bending the disc, like he does in the video, and it was not exploding like it did for him - it was simply decreasing in diameter along with the cut and when the cut was done, there was almost nothing left of the disc, except a huge cloud of dust. A "metal" disc, disintegrated even faster. But my big grinder with a diamond blade cut those tubes easily, several times and the disc is still almost like new afterwards.
How can Litelok be the "world's first anti-grinder" lock when Hiplok's D1000 was released almost two years ago? And the Altor SAF lock three years? Both angle-grinder resistant locks. I LOVE that the security industry is addressing the scourge of grinders, but let's at least tell it like it is.
Thanks for the great content. As someone who has an extremely deep set of skills cutting locks off abandoned storage units (thousands), that's an impressively resistant bar. I've never had to cut bike locks. But I have cut every type of padlock from every manufacturer you can think of. It has never taken me more than a minute to defeat one. As angle grinders become more ubiquitous, it will be interesting to see how lock manufacturers deal with them. Very good video.
I appreciate the testing on this topic and this product but I think the second cut was the one we're most interested in, but you fast forwarded and no discussion in the video? It looked like it took a little over a minute in real time... I learned in the comments that you switched over to a diamond coated disc - I suppose thieves might be using these too?
The plastic shackle jacket melting seems to be lubricating the cuts. And you are indeed placing too much side force on the cutting wheel making them fail prematurely.
Zactly. I use cutoff blades all the time and in all the wrong ways.. I cut alloy, I polish, I cut channels sideways... I only destroy the blades if I load it sideways... and I've had them hot... cutting things like hardened steel etc. Stainless.. Brass. Plastic. even glass... Not to say I haven't destroyed a few disks... usually because I cut so deep the heat can shrink the slot and grab the cheeks... I'd make the outer rubber... It won't stop them but at least they'll stink of burning rubber!
I cut a few highly rated locks like these in a shop demonstration with the Hitachi grinder .. If it has been pressed into a shape , it can be cut with tungsten impregnated discs .
Not good at all, the composite fiber that the lock is covered with is great against metal, but does not put up a real challenge against diamond. Several videos out there where they have cut this lock in a real life situation in under 2 minutes (with a battery powered angle grinder). This lock is a far upgrade compared to its predecessors, but this video is giving people a false security.
I have LX, it operates very easily. The key and shackle sets and re-sets easily in the dark and the rubber coating works well for storage on my frame while not in use. Nobody has tried to cut it yet. I doubt it’s as difficult to cut as this demonstration? I don’t know about 10X that of the Kryptonite but it might be 5X. If it is ever defeated I’ll revise this.
So if you're buying time with better locks, then it makes sense to get a GPS system on your bikes if they're expensive, that way you'll be notified when it's moving around, so you can stop the theft or you get your bike insured and just lock it up like this and if it gets stolen you hopefully get reimbursed. Or all the above. I have a hip lock DX 1000. It's like that last lock on steroids. I'm looking for the perfect system of locks, to make sure my wheels are secure as well and I haven't figured out what to get for that
Got mine coming in the next couple of days. Impressive test, it is secure enough but would not use it to leave a bike overnight outside in public view - but not sure anything is
You work with metal a lot and can't hołd a grinder straight? i work with metal rarely, and almost always use second handle unless impossible, and never get a flex on a disc like you. Props for cameraman's balls of steel, to film not behind the disc guard.
I think the reviewer is trying to give the impression of 'how a thief' might approach using a grinder. That's what makes this a review of note. Anyone can conduct a test under ideal conditions with a power-supply cable grinder, but a thief would be in a rush. Someone also made a interesting point above that they may then damage the bike out of frustration.
I guess it depends on what it's locked to. If it's a stop sign, then yeah, just cut the stop sign. But if it's locked to 3 inches of solid steel, then you should be good.
@@kieranwhite9130 If it takes them 5-10 minutes to cut through what ever its locked to then it's an easy 3 grand (that's the value of my bike) .. whilst the public stand around, do nothing and film it on their phones. Thieves don't give a sh!t because they know the police won't turn up! and the public are too scared to get involved in case they get stabbed!
Six seconds a side (first lock) , with the Hitachi with the Hermes tungsten impregnated discs . Trucking chains are much harder to cut as they are interlaced and are more likely to kick back . The trucking chain is what my assistant in my bicycle repair business secures their bicycle with .
8 5 24 appreciate the many comments making light of w-w's methods. a good lock will be used for both my mtn-bike and enduro dirt bike. as often in the CO mtn's there is no choice but lock up the bike to whatever is available that looks the most secure despite all that tho the value i get out of this vid is seeing a highly rated angle grinder and learning its battery spec's. plus an opinion of a good brand of disc. seeing how easy it was to change to a new 6" blade was revealing. here is what i need a good angle grinder for. my xt225 is 20 y/o . and the stock rear tire 4.0 x 18 needs replaced and getting off the old one ... as neither it or the inner tube will be used for anything else using an angle grinder is the choice for removing both. the rubber's gotten stiff and hard and is too tough to try and get off using traditional methods. using my Chicago angle grinder worked well two days ago for the front 3.0 x 21" wheel. aand using the cable-tie method the new tire went on easily. w/o any soap-y water now , w/ the rear wheel all goes well until i get down to the tire edge 'bead' or whatever you call the section with the steel cable embedded in the rubber. even with 2ea 24" tire-irons from h.frt the bead can only be pried out about 3/4" from the wheel metal rim. thus getting to it with a 7" skil-saw and a metal blade worked but only up to the last 1/2". next the angle grinder and a 4.5" metal blade worked some except the diameter wears down and hitting the rim and scoring it is too dangerous. once i have a new blade i'll try it again. failing that the tool of last resort is an air-die with a 1/4" shaft 2" metal - cut disc blade . its smaller diameter shud fit in there nicely so long
If you want to defeat angle grinders, just make the lock out of stainless steel. The guys out there that have had to cut that in an industrial situation will agree 👍
Uh I call BS on this. At 6:48 you clearly see the guy cutting is bending the disk like the edge of a frisbee and continues to do that with each disc. This is not a same for same test. This was intentionally done to over exaggerate the second locks cutting difficulty.
its interesting that the second cut didn't go through even 1 blade?? you should do it on the hiplock d1000, i hear its much more better than this lock with angle grinders.
@@falcodarkzz He switched to a diamond disc instead of metal discs that he used before. The composite fiber that the bike lock is fused with is great against metal blades, but stands no chance against diamond discs - which a professional bike thief would use...
@@sirulrich88 no, the blades are the same, he just angled the tool. Very apparent on the first disk, but even for the 2nd, you can see him left the back at 9:15
This is the purpose for a Brompton folding bike! It is a horrible bike on hard rolling wheels, But you are able to bring it with you at any time! I would never leave my hyper expensive bike out of sight!
I think it is very wise of you not to say that a battery grinder is the best tool for theft in the world because if you do, the people here in South Africa will start using it. Other than that, the litelok x is a great motivation for me to buy it instead of the New York kryptonite u-lock
There are quite a few things that could stop an grinder (ex. if a grinder is used on one's private property): 1. Motion detector. 2. Self-defense classes: boxing, wrestling + grappling and mixed martial arts. Include good cardio classes. 3. Large attack dog(s). 4. A .38 special revolver, .44 magnum, 12 gauge shotgun, etc. 5. And some large, hard core, hard-hitting' associates. Yes! Two or more of the above can stop the angle grinder! If you really want to protect your prized possessions, you can do it! (Also, look into: sound alarms, GPS trackers and video cameras - both obvious and hidden.)
I've been using the Abus xplus Granite(230mm) & mini Dlocks on my Ebike for years but have always had to worry about angle grinders, the few locks that could resist angle grinders tend to be thick Chain locks for Moterbikes. I plan to buy the LiteLok X3 as my main lock (through rear frame and wheel) lock and the LiteLok X as my second lock (through front forks and wheel). I need to apply for the underground cycle lock up parking, combined with these locks I think I can finally worry far less about some asshole with an angle grinder. If the LiteLok X3 is less angle grinder resistant than the Hiplock D1000 than I'll use that as my main lock but I like the shape of the LiteLok Dlocks.
Have you seen this? ua-cam.com/video/PUwjh8J4uec/v-deo.html First proper test of X3 s far as I can tell and the guy says its the best thing he's ever tested including D1000. Got my X3 on pre-order!
@@asifjamal5874 I bought litelok X1 because it would can fit in my bag. my experience with it has been same as using my Gold rated abus lock but without having to worry about a thief getting through the lock in a minute. I still plan on getting the X3 but that would be left in an underground lock up
If your gonna grind like thst you really need to have a face shield over those poindexters or you absolutely will get metal in your eye. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but guaranteed it will be at the most inconvenient time & place.
I've been using the Pewag case hardened 12mm chain with the Video Euromonolith padlock which is the most angle grinder proof combo I've found so far but it's 6.5 lbs for a 1foot chain. Seems like litelok x might be even better?
Or have both. Plus cover your bike and park it next to other bikes that aren't covered. Why? I saw on a BBC documentary, London bike thieves said they wouldn't target a covered bike, because they don't know what security is under the cover, and they don't know how long it will take them. So they target the bikes with no covers because they can evaluate how quickly they can steal it. The cover alone next to loads of bikes that aren't covered, would probably see the bike ignored, if not then they have a nasty surprise of grinder disc destroying hell waiting on them.
Thanks for the video I will subscribe. Do you have a video of the X3 bike lock? It would be great to see if it’s worth the extra money and if it take longer to cut threw ?
2 minutes in the video, one question: do the thieves worry about :eye protection, ear protection, gloves ? if not how to they do it? what the ppl around have to say about someone grinding a bike lock? why there are not laws that legalize beating up bike thieves ?
Impressive lock and great vid. It's not that expensive for the protection of a $1k or more bike. I would never walk away from my locked bike for more time than to grab a few items from the grocery store. Never heard of them but I do now. Cheap insurance.
Twi things, good as it is. How long to cut through that square bar? Then have all the time in the world at home to cut the lock. How long with a diamond disc?
The problem here in Long Beach, California is that the thief could change 5 blades in broad daylight around a crowd of people and still nobody will call the cops. The thieves don't care.
Same as in London England
Sure, lock the bike alone and disappear, it can be easily taken without hesitation for sure. But I like its chances parked next to a few good bikes with any lesser lock including Fahgettaboutit now. I've never had a bike stolen when parked next to a better bike with a lesser lock.
@@thelockpickinglebowski633 This should be the song sequel to "I Left My Wallet in El Segundo."
Also, I've lived in NYC, Chicago and now SF. My theory still holds true: always park next to nicer bikes with lesser locks... preferably more than one. But places with easy car access like LB, I'd prefer to park next to as many bikes that can fit in a cargo van :)
@@ro63rto wouldnt get way with it in Scotland they would just go missing.
How many batteries do they need to carry as well though? 5 blades and a couple of batteries. They'll just pick another bike lock to attack
Next time hold the grinder 'level' or inline with the plane of the blade once you develope a cut-slot (i.e., curf).
In the video, just before the disk breaks (6:40 - 6:50ish), it is going through a significant amount of bending for each of thousands(?) of rpm. Most anything is going to break under this condition. This is also very likely to be the source of a lot of the grabbing you are getting. It still looks like the angle grinder is iffy.
seems sus
Looks very intentional to me. You can see him pull up on the grinder and twist the disk.
Came here to say this, my dude here is putting a lot of side load on his disc which is why he got lots of heat and not a lot of cutting, and ultimately two shattered discs.
Two and a half disks and a lot of melted plastic for side A, one used disk held level for clean cut on side B.
Not sus at all.
Ahh nuts !! Maybe have to look for another review now you lot have said it’s sus
Apologies if someone has already mentioned this.
Here in the UK the most important tool a "professional" bike thief has is what you would call a panel van.
This means it's not how long it takes them to cut through the lock hasp, but how long it takes them to cut through the fence that the bike is locked to! The bike with the lock still attached then goes in the back of the van, the thief then attacks the lock in the comfort and seclusion of their workshop. These guys steal maybe 10 bikes a day, and they know which bikes are worth stealing.
A bike lock has 2 functions
1) It forces the "casual" thief to go steal someone else's bike.
2) It demonstrates to your insurance company that you've taken reasonable precautions to prevent your bike from being stolen.
Your bike is fully insured isn't it!
Very good points
The majority of the time its two guys on a moped with a grinder
I totally agree. No lock in the world, no gps, no alarm can protect your bike against targeted attacks. But It will deter opportunity thiefs. For everything else you need insurance. Here in germany I pay like 6€ a month for an insurance that will reimburse me the full new price of my bike if stolen.
@@jimihenrik11 in UK is something like 6 pounds per DAY (and not the most expensive one) for a insurance that will reimburse you in full (plus excess)
Mine is 👍
And now we only need angle grinder resistant bike stand :)
It might be quicker to cut through the bike rack than some of the best locks!
you can have bike racks pre-cut for that purpose 😁🙃
Not if it is a really thick, closed-loop bike rack and would take 2 cuts to really separate it from the locks!
Thank you for this detailed and informative video. Since I just purchased a $4K+ e-bike I need videos like these to help protect my investment.
Just make sure it's insured...
What blade did you use to cut the other side of the lock, as you went through it very quickly with one blade.
And someone who claims to use angle grinders a lot you put a lot of pressure and side/twisting load on those disc's.
He wasn't twisting the Angle Grinder, its the 'stuff' on the lock that's 'gripping' at the blade...!!!
What about one of those locks with a hollow inner tube with a skin irritant or some crazy red dye that doesn’t wash out. Then when the disc spins it gets all over everything and ruins clothes, skin, everything!! Just a thought!
It exists, it's called the skunklock.
Very questionable legality. I wouldn't use such security measures without consulting an attorney first. I know that's stupid, as a thief hurting themself in committing a crime should be their own fault, but this is premeditated to injure a thief during the same commission. Thieves have successfully sued places they tried to steal from after being injured during the commission, so you might be doing more harm to yourself by using such security measures than you would be helping yourself.
Seek legal counsel before using such measures.
I was thinking petrol under pressure.
They might not not get away with your bike, but they would probably smash it to bits
@@Colorcrayons That's a problem with liberalism
I must have missed the "This has video has been brought to you by this video's sponsor, Litelok." As others have already commented, dude was flexing the hell out of the blade in the moments leading up to the blade breaking. Not something someone with lots of experience with that tool would do. I get the feeling that even if this is fairly resistant to cheapo cutoff wheels a diamond blade would zip right through it.
These locks can be picked in under 15 seconds with the right pick tool. The lock industry is a scam.
@@truantray the lock industry isn’t a scam per say, it’s just that to make a truly unpick-able lock isn’t financially sound for lock companies. Just like making a lightbulb that doesn’t last for 200,000 hours+ isn’t sound for a light bulb manufacturer. Most locks are built around social compliance that 99.9% of people that see the lock won’t try to either pick it or break it. Then you have 0.01% left most of which is people who will try to break a lock and not pick it. 🤷🤔
The fact is, if someone really really wants to take your bike, they’re gonna take it regardless of the lock. So best defence is to not leave your bike in a public area where it’s easily accessed, and if you have to lock it up in a public space rather than a private one, make it look as unappealing to a thief as possible.
If I leave mine in a public space I use a kryptonite heavy chain lock to secure one side, plus a U lock to secure my front wheel both linked with a cable lock.
@@truantray sure but that's not the way people are stealing bikes. I have never seen a lock left open. It's always either cut in half or smashed. And you have to learn to use picking tools. The learning curve on a angle grinder isn't that high
@@raunefare How long does it take to change to cutting what the lock is around, like that square bar?
@@raunefareYep, if you can pick a lock, especially this type of lock, you're not stealing bikes...
that's what happens with sponsored videos with kickbacks, they seem to not try as hard with the company that paid them. He Kept flexing the blade on purpose so it would destroy the cutting blade, notice how he didn't do that with the kryptonite , he was basically "grinding" with the side of the cutter on this " cut resistant" lock. But I'm sure he will make some money from the gullible people out there.
Thanks for the heads up.
Also notice how the other side only took one blade lol
The pluralization of hi’s titles drove me nuts as well. And calling them blade’s. But hey it made me commen’t so maybe hes just super good at playin’g dumb
Nice job. To be far I think the times it takes to change blades should be included in the cut times
Very true
also I think the price of each destroyed blade should be included as motivation factor.
It doesn't matter... Once somebody takes the grinder to your bike, it's already gone and you've messed up like 5 times before it ever get's that far... Google the "survival onion" and apply it to the theft of your bike: You are relying on the very center of the onion, when you SHOULD be relying on all the outer layers and just have the core as the backup/root of it all...
Hiplock produced the D1000
are we not going to talk about how it got through cut 2 much more easily?
Yep, and how many blades it took. Perhaps a weaker point, Idk.
In the comments he says he used a diamond coated disc for the 2nd cut.
So I will use a diamond coated disk cutter then lol
@@stevenbell9589 I wish somebody would in these testing videos (and discuss it).
@@andrewvickers4487 nice, hopefully thief's aren't looking at this too
Both times, I called the blade breakage. You were torquing the grinder causing the blade to be cutting while bent. That’s why they snapped.
100%, that's exactly why his cutting discs failed. You can easily see how warped the disc is while it's cutting because he's twisting the tool so much. This is a recipe for disaster when cutting ANY material.
I observed that too. I was like "wtf, don't bend the tool upwards like that" - it's so clear on the video how the disc really warps and bends.
"I can feel it grab the disc" - like that would be some property of the material - it's simply the disc getting pinched because of the bending. That's also why it got so hot (plastic coating to run off like wax 😂), since it behaves pretty much like a disc brake creating friction heating. The heat may help though - making the material somewhat softer and easier to cut. I have cut some hardened steel, that's cut slowly at first, but then suddenly the cutting speeds up and it gets as easy to cut as ordinary mild steel - it gets so hot by the friction heat that the material get annealed. But then it would be better to use a torch and then cut, than breaking the discs.
Yup. It almost looked as if he did it on purpose.
he didnt shave it either...looks like he just held it in place. very weird video and honestly not something we can prove unless we were him.
Yeah, like the average meth-head bike thief is gonna be a real expert and have perfect form lol.
Brilliant! This will help me in my “ put random bike locks on random bikes” campaign!
You must be rich, as these locks are over $150 USD each.
That Litelok is very impressive
Absolutely
Outstanding, interesting video... Now I know which lock will be my next one... Thank you very much!!!
If they were to put individual 10mm freely rotating outer shroud pieces all along U lock bar section, then the angle grinder would in effect just spin those pieces instead of cutting through them, meaning that the thief would effectively need three hands to cut the bar, 1 hand to hold the grinder, 1 hand to hold the lock in place and one hand to hold the spinning outer shroud section with pliers to avoid injury.
They would just use duct tape to secure the shroud. 😢
In Europe we have something called a Hiplock D1000 which takes about 10 minutes to cut both sides with an angle grinder
Yea but they're 600 bucks for the real ones. I'd rather just get 70 dollar a year insurance, a cheap GPS tracker and a 100 dollar lock like I have and it's much more cost effective. And you can find your own bike or send the cops to it's last location...But even if you can't get it back you get a new one and a rental bike until you get your new bike. At least that's my policy(66/year).
@@jdgoesham5381 The Hiplock D1000 is about $300 over here but you are right that it's too expensive which is why I don't have one. I have 2 locks which are effective against anything but an angle grinder, two air tags (one in the tyre, one in the stem) and a 120DB alarm. I removed the speakers from the airtags so the theives can't find them. Sounds like a good policy! I'll check out insurance over here but the only policies I have seen have been stupidly expensive
@@jdgoesham5381 I have no insurance, no lock and no GPS tracker, and I've never lost a bike, because I never leave it anywhere where it can be stolen.
It took 10 minutes and 10 discs to cut ONE side from what I've seen.
The D1000 is $300, NOT $600.
How is $300 "too much" when nice bikes - especially nice ebikes - are $4-6k, NOT $1k these days? When you spent $50 to protect an $800 bike 20 years ago, $300 for a $5k bike is actually a little less security money spent per bike dollar. The math checks out.
Saw a $5k cargo ebike locked in the SF Bay Area with a basic, old tech lock recently. THIS is the perfect candidate for this new breed of locks.
Yes, use GPS trackers. Yes, get insurance. Yes, be smart. But use the best lock!
@@ruzziasht349 so you sleep with your bike? Shower with it? Attend a concert with it? Go to work with it? Have sex with it next to you?!!!! And what if you have more than one? Do you ride your first bike with your second bike over your shoulder?
EVERYONE leaves a bike behind. I HATE the saying, "Oh, my bike's TOO NICE to lock!" No one is always with their bike.
EVERY bike is left unattended, so EVERY BIKE SHOULD BE LOCKED! All 12 of my garaged bikes are locked right now. In a double-locked garage with beefed-up locks. And with active video surveillance 24/7. They're also all fully insured. Some have GPS trackers. And some of the locks have extra pipe sections attached for added security. (Yes, I'm kinda bonkers when it comes to bike security.)
However, many are irreplaceable as they aren't made anymore, hand-made by a small builder and/or have custom paint, so it's important that I never lose a bike or have to collect on insurance in the first place.
what did you cut the second side with? I notice it went straight through with one blade and was a much cleaner cut without even melting the plastic outer. Was it a diamond blade?
The second side was cut with the same disk he finishes the 1st side....it was just used correctly and NOT twisted while cutting, so it didn't have the catastrophic failure of the first two disks. Also note the severe lack of heat damage (melted vinyl cover) on the second cut. It makes one wonder if the first cut was ....dramatized.... just a wee little bit.
@@mikedeloach6849 That's what I was thinking. Was he twisting the angle grinder on the first cuts to torque and break the blades. There was a lot of heat generation.
To answer your questions
Diamond blade was used on the 2nd cut at the end of the video.
I was not intentionally flexing the blade in any way shape or form. Film yourself using these Ulta thin blades and you will find that's just how the work, the spin so fast and are so thing they flex while cutting no matter how straight you hold it.
@@waynewinton The third blade cut that lock like butter.
@@mikedeloach6849 I call bullshit as well. He was trying to break the blade by flexing it. Also the camera is not close enough to see exactly what is happening. If your pushing hard enough that the blade is flexing just ease off and let the blade do the work
KINGGGG THE KINGGG-LITELOK X1,SUPERRRR GALAKTICCC.
Thank you so much of hard work, my bike stolen and time to buy a good lock litlok x
Try cutting wax and not pressing too hard. Also keep the wheel aligned in its cut groove. The grabbing should stop.
People think that if they lock their bike in a backstreet, a hidden place that their bike will be safer. The problem with that is that the thief has all the time in the world to get that bike. Lock your ride where everyone can see it, which may deter a crook to steal it if it's in a high traffic pedestrian area.
Very good demo. Thieves who barely qualify to be called human beings will adapt, of course. For example, they will carry several angle grinders and simply switch grinders instead of switching blades. They will also cut through the rack (as others have mentioned). And for bikes with high-end components, they will cut through the frame to sacrifice it in order to get the parts.
yup I can confirm this, I have seen it
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I used to work with an Egyptian guy. One day, he said to me
"In Egypt, if someone catch you stealing - they Chop off Your HAND. And also in Egypt - NOBODY STEAL!"
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@@2NDFLB-CLERK ya nobody steals in egypt.. LOL
Also - I wonder how a diamond blade would do. I got one for my big (230 mm angle grinder) that was labelled as "demolition disc" and cut pretty much everything.
For mild steel and aluminium it cuts about the same speed as an normal disc but it lasts like 100 times longer. For really hard material, like hard fire bricks with high alumina content, it cuts significantly faster - those material can sometimes pulverize a standard disc after like 2 cuts.
Now when I remember it, I also tried cutting ceramic tubes to the right length for an electric furnace that I built (those tubes are used to hold up the heating elements) with my small grinder (125 mm disc) that I don't have any diamond blades for. Those were so hard that a whole new disc got pulverized after one cut (and it was not "metal" discs, but labelled for cutting rock - although, the material of those seems very similar to the standard steel cutting ones, they are just thicker). Also I was not bending the disc, like he does in the video, and it was not exploding like it did for him - it was simply decreasing in diameter along with the cut and when the cut was done, there was almost nothing left of the disc, except a huge cloud of dust. A "metal" disc, disintegrated even faster. But my big grinder with a diamond blade cut those tubes easily, several times and the disc is still almost like new afterwards.
if u have a cheap bike why would they bother, expensive bike put it in a lockup or dont leave it alone for too long.
You literally just took the lock out of its package. Wow! Literally! No messing around here ... literally.
Wow impressive. Good demonstration of both locks ... thanks
This feels like an ad
what a great video you created, fine piece of work. subscribed!
What about cutting through the lock casing?
How can Litelok be the "world's first anti-grinder" lock when Hiplok's D1000 was released almost two years ago? And the Altor SAF lock three years? Both angle-grinder resistant locks.
I LOVE that the security industry is addressing the scourge of grinders, but let's at least tell it like it is.
Thanks for the great content. As someone who has an extremely deep set of skills cutting locks off abandoned storage units (thousands), that's an impressively resistant bar. I've never had to cut bike locks. But I have cut every type of padlock from every manufacturer you can think of. It has never taken me more than a minute to defeat one. As angle grinders become more ubiquitous, it will be interesting to see how lock manufacturers deal with them. Very good video.
I appreciate the testing on this topic and this product but I think the second cut was the one we're most interested in, but you fast forwarded and no discussion in the video? It looked like it took a little over a minute in real time... I learned in the comments that you switched over to a diamond coated disc - I suppose thieves might be using these too?
Have you tried cutting through the lock body instead of the shackle?
I see the shackle improved, but what about the lock body?
The plastic shackle jacket melting seems to be lubricating the cuts. And you are indeed placing too much side force on the cutting wheel making them fail prematurely.
Zactly. I use cutoff blades all the time and in all the wrong ways.. I cut alloy, I polish, I cut channels sideways... I only destroy the blades if I load it sideways... and I've had them hot... cutting things like hardened steel etc. Stainless.. Brass. Plastic. even glass... Not to say I haven't destroyed a few disks... usually because I cut so deep the heat can shrink the slot and grab the cheeks...
I'd make the outer rubber... It won't stop them but at least they'll stink of burning rubber!
@@TheButlerNZ check out at 7:57, he literally shoves it downward. This dude is a paid shill
It's intentional to sell these locks. This is actually just a commercial.
Superb presentation and review! Thank you very much!
Great. Now try it with a diamond disk meant for cutting tiles. And stop letting the disk twist in the kerf allowing it to bind up.
I cut a few highly rated locks like these in a shop demonstration with the Hitachi grinder .. If it has been pressed into a shape , it can be cut with tungsten impregnated discs .
how well does it hold up to a diamond disc?
Not good at all, the composite fiber that the lock is covered with is great against metal, but does not put up a real challenge against diamond. Several videos out there where they have cut this lock in a real life situation in under 2 minutes (with a battery powered angle grinder). This lock is a far upgrade compared to its predecessors, but this video is giving people a false security.
THIS lock is what you want to secure a $6,000. bike!.
UPDATE: I bought this model 1X LITELOK. Thanks for this review.
@@chaxologist2024now your ultra light bike weighs 100pounds sus
I have LX, it operates very easily. The key and shackle sets and re-sets easily in the dark and the rubber coating works well for storage on my frame while not in use. Nobody has tried to cut it yet. I doubt it’s as difficult to cut as this demonstration? I don’t know about 10X that of the Kryptonite but it might be 5X. If it is ever defeated I’ll revise this.
Good info...thanks for buying and destroying 2 locks and multiple cutting disks for us.
So if you're buying time with better locks, then it makes sense to get a GPS system on your bikes if they're expensive, that way you'll be notified when it's moving around, so you can stop the theft or you get your bike insured and just lock it up like this and if it gets stolen you hopefully get reimbursed. Or all the above.
I have a hip lock DX 1000. It's like that last lock on steroids.
I'm looking for the perfect system of locks, to make sure my wheels are secure as well and I haven't figured out what to get for that
Got mine coming in the next couple of days. Impressive test, it is secure enough but would not use it to leave a bike overnight outside in public view - but not sure anything is
You work with metal a lot and can't hołd a grinder straight?
i work with metal rarely, and almost always use second handle unless impossible, and never get a flex on a disc like you. Props for cameraman's balls of steel, to film not behind the disc guard.
I think the reviewer is trying to give the impression of 'how a thief' might approach using a grinder. That's what makes this a review of note. Anyone can conduct a test under ideal conditions with a power-supply cable grinder, but a thief would be in a rush. Someone also made a interesting point above that they may then damage the bike out of frustration.
voouw......Thank you for sharing this test video.....
About time and there are 3 anti angle grinder locks out there now.
thanks for helping me to know what u-lock i should buy to protect my own Escooter which is expensive when i have that.
I ride a Huffy. List price $95.00 Hardly worth the effort.
The unsuccessful thief would grind the bike frame to destroy it through frustration .
Great test. $179 for that lock, $299 for the X3
wasn't Hiplok D1000 the very world's first anti-grinder angle grinder bike lock (rated diamond by Gold Secure)? 😇
Yikes, Wayne spent much for us to be aware. Thanks, Wayne!
~100$ and it's a tax write off if this channel is a business.
Disk failure obviously due to operator error. Can plainly see the disk warping during cutting. Good lock though.
Unfortunately I think the thieves just cut a piece out of the bicycle stand which the bike have been locked to, instead of the lock itself ..
My thoughts exactly
I guess it depends on what it's locked to. If it's a stop sign, then yeah, just cut the stop sign. But if it's locked to 3 inches of solid steel, then you should be good.
@darriusholt not many solid 3 inch steel to lock my bike to when I'm out lol 😆
If they are that dedicated you think they could make decent money the legit way
@@kieranwhite9130 If it takes them 5-10 minutes to cut through what ever its locked to then it's an easy 3 grand (that's the value of my bike) .. whilst the public stand around, do nothing and film it on their phones. Thieves don't give a sh!t because they know the police won't turn up! and the public are too scared to get involved in case they get stabbed!
Nice video!!! Thanks for the info!!
Six seconds a side (first lock) , with the Hitachi with the Hermes tungsten impregnated discs . Trucking chains are much harder to cut as they are interlaced and are more likely to kick back . The trucking chain is what my assistant in my bicycle repair business secures their bicycle with .
The problem.is..the lock can be picked in less then 20 seconds.. there is video proof here on UA-cam
And the metal that can withstand an angle grinder has yet to be invented😂
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appreciate the many comments making light of w-w's methods.
a good lock will be used for both my mtn-bike and enduro dirt bike.
as often in the CO mtn's there is no choice but lock up the bike to
whatever is available that looks the most secure
despite all that tho the value i get out of this vid is seeing a highly rated angle grinder
and learning its battery spec's. plus an opinion of a good brand of disc.
seeing how easy it was to change to a new 6" blade was revealing.
here is what i need a good angle grinder for. my xt225 is 20 y/o .
and the stock rear tire 4.0 x 18 needs replaced and getting off the old
one ... as neither it or the inner tube will be used for anything else
using an angle grinder is the choice for removing both. the rubber's
gotten stiff and hard and is too tough to try and get off
using traditional methods.
using my Chicago angle grinder worked well two days ago for the
front 3.0 x 21" wheel.
aand using the cable-tie method the new tire went on easily.
w/o any soap-y water
now , w/ the rear wheel all goes well until i get down to the
tire edge 'bead' or whatever you call
the section with the steel cable embedded in the rubber. even with
2ea 24" tire-irons from h.frt the bead can only be pried out about 3/4"
from the wheel metal rim. thus getting to it with a 7" skil-saw and
a metal blade worked but only up to the last 1/2".
next the angle grinder and a 4.5" metal blade worked some
except the diameter wears down and hitting the rim and scoring
it is too dangerous. once i have a new blade i'll try it again.
failing that the tool of last resort is an air-die with a 1/4" shaft
2" metal - cut disc blade . its smaller diameter shud fit in there nicely
so long
What is the best grinder resistant chain light enough to carry on a bike? If there even is one. Thanks!
I'm impressed. I hope it does not cost more to buy than I bike is worth (likely it does, my bike is not worth much).
You're also doing these cuts under ideal conditions at an easy to work angle.
Steel pipe at 11:00 will eventually bend the bar . I did this at the shop demonstration .
How does it fair against diamond blades?
If you want to defeat angle grinders, just make the lock out of stainless steel. The guys out there that have had to cut that in an industrial situation will agree 👍
Those Diablo blades were recalled in 2021 in my country due to manufacturing defects .
Very good review i expect more of these vidoes cant wait
When you used that bar, I could see it starting to bend outward and you stopped the amount of force you were using and started jerking movements.
Great video !....thanks. Try the HIPLOK D or DX1000, will like to see a comparation
Uh I call BS on this. At 6:48 you clearly see the guy cutting is bending the disk like the edge of a frisbee and continues to do that with each disc. This is not a same for same test. This was intentionally done to over exaggerate the second locks cutting difficulty.
Is there any cheaper anti-angle grinder options?
Cheap bike 🙂
its interesting that the second cut didn't go through even 1 blade?? you should do it on the hiplock d1000, i hear its much more better than this lock with angle grinders.
Pretty sure he just had a firmer cut there and more leverage
@@falcodarkzz He switched to a diamond disc instead of metal discs that he used before. The composite fiber that the bike lock is fused with is great against metal blades, but stands no chance against diamond discs - which a professional bike thief would use...
@@sirulrich88 no, the blades are the same, he just angled the tool. Very apparent on the first disk, but even for the 2nd, you can see him left the back at 9:15
This is the purpose for a Brompton folding bike! It is a horrible bike on hard rolling wheels, But you are able to bring it with you at any time! I would never leave my hyper expensive bike out of sight!
Very nice lock
I think it is very wise of you not to say that a battery grinder is the best tool for theft in the world because if you do, the people here in South Africa will start using it. Other than that, the litelok x is a great motivation for me to buy it instead of the New York kryptonite u-lock
There are quite a few things that could stop an grinder (ex. if a grinder is used on one's private property):
1. Motion detector.
2. Self-defense classes: boxing, wrestling + grappling and mixed martial arts. Include good cardio classes.
3. Large attack dog(s).
4. A .38 special revolver, .44 magnum, 12 gauge shotgun, etc.
5. And some large, hard core, hard-hitting' associates.
Yes! Two or more of the above can stop the angle grinder! If you really want to protect your prized possessions, you can do it!
(Also, look into: sound alarms, GPS trackers and video cameras - both obvious and hidden.)
I've been using the Abus xplus Granite(230mm) & mini Dlocks on my Ebike for years but have always had to worry about angle grinders, the few locks that could resist angle grinders tend to be thick Chain locks for Moterbikes. I plan to buy the LiteLok X3 as my main lock (through rear frame and wheel) lock and the LiteLok X as my second lock (through front forks and wheel). I need to apply for the underground cycle lock up parking, combined with these locks I think I can finally worry far less about some asshole with an angle grinder.
If the LiteLok X3 is less angle grinder resistant than the Hiplock D1000 than I'll use that as my main lock but I like the shape of the LiteLok Dlocks.
Have you seen this? ua-cam.com/video/PUwjh8J4uec/v-deo.html First proper test of X3 s far as I can tell and the guy says its the best thing he's ever tested including D1000. Got my X3 on pre-order!
Did you end up getting litelok (any model) or hiplok? How was your experience with it?
@@asifjamal5874 I bought litelok X1 because it would can fit in my bag. my experience with it has been same as using my Gold rated abus lock but without having to worry about a thief getting through the lock in a minute. I still plan on getting the X3 but that would be left in an underground lock up
AS an alternative I would simply cut the metal to which it was secured. Much easier. But a good lock all the same.
Are these bike locks drill resistant?
If your gonna grind like thst you really need to have a face shield over those poindexters or you absolutely will get metal in your eye. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but guaranteed it will be at the most inconvenient time & place.
Great Video!
Will cutting the X1 be faster if someone assisted with a flame torch? Sometimes, thieves come in pair.
Diamonds are for ever. Ain’t you got any?
Thief will just cut whatever the bike is attached to 😂
I've been using the Pewag case hardened 12mm chain with the Video Euromonolith padlock which is the most angle grinder proof combo I've found so far but it's 6.5 lbs for a 1foot chain. Seems like litelok x might be even better?
Or have both. Plus cover your bike and park it next to other bikes that aren't covered. Why? I saw on a BBC documentary, London bike thieves said they wouldn't target a covered bike, because they don't know what security is under the cover, and they don't know how long it will take them. So they target the bikes with no covers because they can evaluate how quickly they can steal it.
The cover alone next to loads of bikes that aren't covered, would probably see the bike ignored, if not then they have a nasty surprise of grinder disc destroying hell waiting on them.
@@Inquisitivemind97 Smart. I'll remember that. I keep a cover in my frame bag of my ebike.
How does it hold up against diamond cut off wheels?
Never removed a lock from a scenario. Interesting idea.
It would be interesting to see if you can cut through the other piece
Didn't the Hiplock D1000 come before the X1?
If someone wants to steal something they will if determined enough.This should frustrate/ deter some & takes time.
Ordered one today.
What would happen if you used a diamond blade instead of just a regular metal cutting blade?
Thanks for the video I will subscribe. Do you have a video of the X3 bike lock? It would be great to see if it’s worth the extra money and if it take longer to cut threw ?
2 minutes in the video, one question: do the thieves worry about :eye protection, ear protection, gloves ? if not how to they do it? what the ppl around have to say about someone grinding a bike lock? why there are not laws that legalize beating up bike thieves ?
Impressive lock and great vid.
It's not that expensive for the protection of a $1k or more bike.
I would never walk away from my locked bike for more time than to grab a few items from the grocery store.
Never heard of them but I do now. Cheap insurance.
Twi things, good as it is. How long to cut through that square bar? Then have all the time in the world at home to cut the lock. How long with a diamond disc?
You can use a thicker blade, but it will take longer to cut, but it takes less damage
Thank you sir
Why didn't you try a diamond grit cut off blade for you tests?
Hiplok D1000 is a competitor to this with the same kind of technology