COVID Natural Immunity Without Antibodies?
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2021
- Can people who have had COVID but have no antibodies still be protected? In other words, can you have COVID immunity without antibodies? I present a peer-reviewed study from the Journal of infection looking at that question. We know that there are many parts to the immune system not just antibodies. If there is protection how does this occur? How successful might this COVID immunity be?
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Dr. Keith Moran MD, RCPSC, DABIM, RCS, NBE Biography:
I am a consultant in Internal Medicine with special medical interests in gastroenterology, cardiology, and echocardiography. I am a a full-time practising physician in these areas. I was an undergraduate at the University of Toronto, Trinity College where I received a number of scholarships including one for top student at Trinity College. I attended medical school at the University of Toronto graduating with a gold medal. My internship was completed at McMaster University in Hamilton followed by a residency in Internal Medicine at the University of Western Ontario in London. I then completed a fellowship in General Internal Medicine at the University of Western Ontario. I am an active echocardiographer who has been certified and recertified by the National Board of Echocardiography. I am certified in cardiac sonography and have trained and completely educated a number of cardiac sonographers. I am the medical director of my cardiology laboratory which was established in 2001. My laboratory performs echocardiography and stress echocardiography amongst other tests. I maintain my certification in the American Board of Internal Medicine. I have over 27 years of experience as a hospital-based consultant in internal medicine and intensive care unit attending physician.
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Consider how infectious someone is while shedding as well as having intermittent shedding , the beginning of shedding someone could be the most contagious
As with monoclonal antibodies, can memory t-cells and b-cells be cloned to inoculate people to fight cv19?
@@tmcche7881 cloned? Cells divide or don't divide, adjuvants irritate to divide. It is possible humans have already had come in contact with covid19 in the past already, 1 thing is antibodies are produced infected and or vaccinated.
@@guytelfer1353...okay???
Why I asked. ===>>>
A monoclonal antibody is an antibody made by cloning a unique white blood cell. All subsequent antibodies derived this way trace back to a unique parent cell. Monoclonal antibodies can have monovalent affinity, binding only to the same epitope.
I managed several Covid vaccine studies last year and this is nothing new. We have known all along that natural immunity is both sufficient for someone with a healthy immune system and that natural immunity from infection is very effective and prevents the largest number of people from reinfection.
The agencies are pushing drugs for the general public that are generally not that effective and in many cases make the immune system weaker. Public policy should not be giving medical advice and we should leave it up to the doctors.
My husband and I both had Covid, he tested positive I tested negative. We both had the same symptoms, but he lost his taste and smell for only one day, I lost mine for over two weeks, he had more of a cough than I did. He tested positive for antibodies, I tested negative.
Historically he tends to get colds and his allergies, whereas I very rarely if ever get a cold and do not suffer from allergies. It just goes to show you peoples bodies are different we can’t all be treated identically and put into one large category or group to be treated medically the same.
@@dubuis69, is it Beavis, OR Butthead???
The tests do not and never have diagnosed anything called covid, if they found anything it might some shreds of some dead cells not an infectious virus.
@@dubuis69 Naturally acquired immunity is a biological fact that applies not just to COVID but to other infectious diseases as well. Nothing mythical about it.
@@dubuis69 Are you a doctor first or are you big pharmas' stoolie first .
@@dubuis69
Oh but the same immune system can produce antibodies after getting a shot. That doesn’t have the virus in it.
Really ? How amazing !
So your immune system that works everyday from the day you are born, 24/7 , 365 days a year.
That produces immunity to various other viruses all the sudden sucks at producing it for Covid but a vaccine that is not a vaccine , and be never was.
To the point they had to change the definition because it wasn’t living up to the definition in the medical or legal dictionary.
So don’t fix the shot to actually be a vaccine , just change the definition.
That per Walensky in 4 videos and Fauci one video , say they non-longer stop infection or transmission or prohibit carrying a viral load is all the sudden going to use the same immune system, is going to produce antibodies , without the full virus in the shot.
But someone catching the full virus using the same immune system, naturally can not .
WTH are you smokin!
STHU !!!
Another finding which suggests that body's immune system is more complex and likely more effective than some medical experts might have us believe. This is enlightening. Thank you, Dr Moran.
I wonder why the government does not talk about this? Why they are promoting a vaccine that it is causing more harm than good, meanwhile the pharmaceutical industry still exempt from liability ? Why they do not stand by their products while the rest are forced to take liability for theirs!
@ Buttbreath’s friend
The doctor is bringing up an important point which escapes those who spent their formative years watching 2 moronic twerps on TV. Our immune systems are supposed to ramp down when the threat has been neutralized so as long as our recon section (memory B & T cells) have a clear snapshot of the intruder then our immune system can relax. One person commented that if our immune systems were spewing out antibodies that targeted all the pathogens that we’ve been exposed to then our blood would be thick as molasses (High Intensity Health have a video about the risks of thick blood). Our immune systems are supposed to be nuanced. That last word is not one you’ll have come across while watching Beavis & Buttbreath so look it up in a dictionary. You do know what a dictionary is, don't you? I doubt it.
@@dubuis69 if youre pro vac,a doctor?..
I doubt you are..how sure you are whose risking their lives??..
Sheeplike people like you living their comfort zone on adherring to societies's rules and tyrrany just to be in conformity and acceptance of the mob and its sheperd ruler
@@dubuis69 It's a fact, everybody who has basic knowledge of anatomy knows amount of antibodies needs to decline after infection, you hold life-time long immunity, (according to study 10 years at least, if you're not infected in this period you might lose the life-time protection). Also, don't call yourself a Dr., if you don't even know the basics.
This is known for almost 100 years.
I had a significant case of the Covid starting late Feb 2020. I had all the symptoms except the severe breathing problems that a small percentage of people get. I got over it in about 5-7 days and I have likely been exposed many times since in crowded environments like casinos, but have not gotten sick like the first time. I trust my immune system is working just fine and I don't waste time thinking or worrying about Covid19. Wake up America and live your life to the fullest. There's another agenda with all this Government intrusion into your personal freedom.
I had covid in December and recently tested my antibodies and they are still there 11 months after. Natural immunity is still kicking.
Nice hope ours is still good, I saw your dance channel, I'm going to check that one out!
👍🏾👍🏾
What is your total?
@@WhatLegendsAreMadeOf the result did not give a number but I was actually surprised I still had them. I know there is t and b cell memory that play their role in all this but antibodies after 11 months is pretty good.
I got Covid from my husband in January 2021. Had my antibodies checked 2 weeks ago and my antibodies and IGG were high
I had covid back in December, a moderate case, breathing issues, you name it, but I've been around over a dozen people with it and haven't had a reinfection nor any symptoms.. not even body aches, sniffles.. i know some people are different but my son had it in August and I was the only one that helped him out with serving him food drinks, i even sat with him in his room to just give him company for 20 minutes.. and didn't contract it again.
Indeed, my whole family git infected with it in August, including my one-year-old twin boys and my disabled son. My wife and I were miserable; my eldest son and twin boys recuperated within a week, but my disabled son was sick for almost two months.
Our doctor wanted to send the whole family to the hospital, but I said no. Instead, I was referred by my Mexican friends to see a Cuban doctor. He prescribed us a treatment for my mislabeled son, wife, and me based on Dr. Peter A. McCullough.
He warned to stay away from hospitals.
I pray the masses will teach things one can take to improve natural immunity because Covid changes so much and no vaccine can keep up. Stay strong.
You probably had a bunch of viruses reproducing in your body for a day and didn't notice, before your immune system cleared them out.
What a great father!
That is remarkable. Have you considered telling your story to (with may be the help of your doctor) to be referred to some immunology research institution (like UCSF, or La-Jolla Institute, or NIH) who I think might be interested in collecting and studying your blood serum?
According to my strictly observational studies I've concluded there is a marked difference between physicians(like Dr. Moran) who actually treat patients and those who don't(and we know who those are). And I'll take the former anytime.
Fauci et al.
@@cl5193 What about Dr. Rand Paul and Dr. DeSantis?
There are people who lived with covid postive and shared beds etc and did not get it and dont have antibodies either. So there are people who just dont get it.
A lot of folks are seeing that. I appear to be one of those that has been around several "HOT" folks and did not get it. Wife had it here recently with positive PCR, and i came back with a negative PCR, and negative antibodies test. I'm seeing studies coming out pointing to the fact that some folks have a very robust T-Cell system and that in years gone by, may have seen things similar to C-19 (such as Sars-Cov(1) (2002) which makes up 80% of Sars-Cov2, and because of that, their T-cells are killing this virus before it ever has a chance to take hold,hence why you do not see a testable immune response to C-19.
@@davespargo5944 Yes. There's even more of that cross-protection, not only from SARS-1, but many other viral infections. If the T-cells were exposed to a virus with similar surface proteins in the past, they'd be offering protection already, and hence why at the start of the pandemic, many people already had immunity (contrary to what the media around the world was claiming).
Thanks Dr. Moran. For covering an area of immunity by vaccine rarely discussed in the media and other channels, in their overarching obsession with "antibodies". Even the doctors and scientists act as if only Pfizer and Moderna are worth discussing.
Exactly. We don't need endless cycles of boosters.
Because a LOT of them get paid to push the shots and pills. Never/seldom do they discuss the benefits of natural immunity.
This study needs to be repeated and refined. Just because some tests negative on antibodies, it does not mean that they don't create and rely on some levels of antibodies to fight off the infection
I got very sick the last 2 weeks of February 2020. Went to my Doctor 3 times. Negative for the flu. I was sick with all the symptoms. It to 3 more weeks of staying at home, I was so sick I didn't even think of going anywhere. There was no PCR testing available. This year I had a blood workup done and I asked about checking for antibodies. I have them. After just a few months from my 2 year anniversary.
Hi David Hathcock, it seems as usual there may be a few bits missing from this video, forgivable if only because it takes a long time to tell the whole story and none of us actually know it all!.
The general impression that I have formed is that while the 'results' they publish from these studies are not actually wrong they sort of have to leave out many of the outliers!, what they give us tends towards statistically significant norms, so in this context while what they say does apply to the majority of people there are as always many outliers, some for whom antibodies fade away much faster , some who's antibodies last for years!.
One other factor is that we can never rule out re-infection and re-stimulation of the immune system creating fresh antibodies, for this all that is required is a sufficient level of exposure to initiate infection, which can be eliminated within as little as a few hours, but again the antibodies will persist for some time.
I have written this much for you to indicate the fact that there are many ways to explain your presentation and as ever they are not mutually exclusive, there is very rarely just one answer to any biological question!, in fact we must be wary of any such solutions.
Cheers, Richard.
@@richardharvey1732 Thank you. I also think that every time I go out I'm. for lack of a better phrase, getting a booster shot.
Very interesting video , the general understanding of T Cells was to terminate infection instead of preventing it but this study proved otherwise, Experts forget about T cells when they talk about antibody levels and booster vaccine shots, Immune system is more than just antibodies so people shouldn't worry if their ab levels decline after vaccination or Natural infection, 3rd booster shots are not needed except for immunocompromised people, please rich countries should donate more vaccines to poor countries in order to defeat this pandemic Greeting from a fellow doctor :)
Thank you for the hard work you do Aymen. Best regards.
Very well said. It'd be more useful if they donated the vaccine doses to the poorer countries where many vulnerable people haven't even had one dose.
Initial infections of Omicron are giving some possible sighs of relief. Based on the initial mildness of symptoms, it seems the Virus is starting to do exactly what Corona Viruses tend to do. They Attenuate over time in order to reach a happy medium of prevalent existence within its primary carriers. It will most likely end up Attenuating to a point where it gets tossed into the category of the common cold.
Or disappear entirely like SARS
I think some people dont want it to gone... power and money it gave tho... i find it weird how this strain is so bad, when 30.08.21 in South Africa found strain of consern didnt find any space in media.
@@atodaso1668 To be honest, if this Omicron variant has only mild symptoms with no severe risk of disease, then we should do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to try and stop it. Open all borders, stop all vaccinations (unless extremely vulnerable), and stop stop all mask and social distance mandates. Allow it to travel and infect the entire planet as fast as possible to develop worldwide natural immunity. This will provide everyone with permanent future innate immune response for any further mutations that may be more problematic.
I hope so, but it's dubious. The main reason for milder disease, once a virus becomes endemic is probably herd immunity, rather than changes in the virus. People can be reinfected, but it's normally much milder than the first time and in the case of COVID-19. it's generally very mild in children, so it will stop causing severe disease, after a few years, even if the virus were to stay the same. This is evidenced by the fact that when groups of people, living in complete isolation from the outside world, first make contact with outsiders, a highly deadly epidemic of respiratory often ensues, which can lead to the extinction of the entire tribe. The deadly pathogen is something common such as influenza, or a common cold virus, rather than something like Ebola, or MERS, but the mortality rate is huge due to lack of immunity.
www.survivalinternational.org/news/10143
time.com/3909470/tribes-uncontacted-ethics/
There isn't much evolutionary pressure for it to mutate to a milder strain at the moment. It doesn't cause a significant proportion of those who it infects to become severely ill and/or die. If something like 5% of cases were bad enough to make people bedridden, with a 10% death rate, then it clearly would have an incentive to become milder, but fortunately it's nowhere near that bad. So far it's evolved to become better at infecting human cells, hence the increase in virulence.
I don't mean to be pessimistic, just realistic. There could be other reasons for the milder symptoms in the discovered cases: vaccination, previous exposure, or the disease being spread by younger, fitter people. We don't know enough at this stage.
Fortunately most people have either been previously infected, or vaccinated, so even if the virus doe evolve to be more pathogenic, it's unlikely to cause a massive increase in severe disease and deaths.
Yes - also see Ivor Cummins’ chat with a SouthAfrican Doctor, from today - 2021 Nov 28. - and dr Mobeen’s, as well - Drbeen channel -
Good study. Our bodies are not designed to waste resources by constantly maintaining a large pool of high antibodies for all infections. Suffice for memory immune cells to reactivate the required antibodies within a few days. Cheers.
The response protects you from severe illness, not transmission of the virus. The time it takes to mount the immune response is insufficient to prevent transmission to other people. This is why they are stressing maintaining high neutralizing antibodies, it does take into consideration memory t-cells
Novel observation? I was watching an Immunology lecture from 10 years ago and it's Immunology 101 that we have other aspects of our immune system beyond this fixation on antibody titres.
Seriously. It's crazy that all these medical "experts" somehow forgot how the immune system works.
@@OCP74 "forgot"
I studied immunology as part of my physiology degree 40 yrs ago. The role of T and B cells as part of the immunological response in long term immunity was extensively covered. I have been exasperated and annoyed in equal measure at the deliberate policy of censoring their role coupled with the narrative that circulating neutralising antibodies are the only true measure of immunity. It has not been helped by scientifically ignorant "journalists" questioning the scientists responsible for this narrative. They do not know the pertinent questions to ask and are easily bamboozled by the responses. Reading "Noddy visits the doctor" as research is just not good enough.
@@philipprice171 Another ignored crucial concept is "cross reactive immunity."
@@oskartheme5233 Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you are referring to immunity against similar viruses that share common determinants ie infection with one will provide an immune response to a similar virus and/or variants. Particularly important in corona viruses. Regards.
Antibodies absolutely must wane. If they didn't - it's called autoimmune disease
Another great post...Glad to be the first to comment on this one... Where is the cat?
Today is Sunday. It's the cat's day off.
@@v8pilot I am glad to hear that. Cats have a strong union and we don't want to have a picket line of cats.
Deffo, Where's the cat... There are many, surely they can take it in turns? 🤔😉😹
@@paulbrungardt9823 I thought cats were fiercely independent creatures?
@@oskartheme5233 They are fiercely independent but they are also intrinsically lazy. If they can unionize, they become increasingly lazy, dependent and ungrateful. Cats readily adapt to labor union mentality.
I find it interesting that not one of their top scientists ever talked about the mucosal immunity in the mouth throat and nose, that someone with Aquired Immunity has. Very grateful to hear this, as this definitely takes Aquired Immunity to another level. Than you for presenting this invaluable information Dr. Moran.👍
I believe this is the reason they are trying to develop a nasal administered vaccine but unfortunately it needs to be live attenuated unless they have some new tech
@@rabihk6383 Interesting. Of course we won't officially hear anything about it until they spring it on us. And that is my problem with them. The lack of transparency and the lies and the miss information. Not sure I would trust anything they came up with at this point. Thanks for your feedback .
@@bmac5141 Your problem is your own paranoid ignorance, Mac. Do you think "immunity" prevents you from being reinfected?
Exactly this is what I believe it to be true and I’m mot a doctor. I’m not vaccinated, never get infected, however I’m confident that as I’m more exposed with the various healthy public, I get natural immunity though the exposures. We know that our immune system fights everyday. It’s only when our body can’t overcome the foreign objects, we get sick to get more serious defense. With the covid experiences, People in general should take more safety measure: if you have a cold symptom, right away wear a mask; if you feel weak or body stressed, rest at home and avoid Public; take vitamins and do what can boost your immune system; and more. Do your own study
@@JasmineLindros You're fully in the comments section of a video where a doctor just broke down the reason why Natural or Aquired immunity is effective and it's my problem? Honey If you have a problem with the science. Take it up with Dr. Moran not me cause he's the one that presented the study. And yes I actually got COVID twice. But the second time was far less severe than the first. And that's the way the immune system works Hun. Don't hate me cause my immune system is strong. And I would rather get Covid 6 times and get over it than keep boosting and boosting with an experimental drug. Go check out Africa and see why they are not dealing with the mess we are dealing with here.
I've been wondering about this exact question. Thanks for taking the time to put this out there.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for these precious data, for which there aren't much studies lately !
I've had Covid in November 2020 with very mild symptoms (mild headache for 3 evenings and thirts). I had no antibodies 3 weeks or 2 months after. After that I've had contact with people with Alpha and Delta variant. I never got reinfected.
And Faucci knows all of this but doesn’t care. # 1 size fits all
Thank you again for so clearly explaining findings (and how we can't draw some conclusions)
As a nurse, I find this a great, informative, and under-rated channel
I am glad you posted this video! I hope further study will shed light on immunity of any kind.
I hope so too!
Thanks for a wonderful clear walkthrough of the study and results.
Thanks so much Dr Moran. As I think I commented here before, I was sick from late March 2020 to early January 2021 with multiple symptoms, most I've never had before.
Loss of taste/smell about 8 weeks - boiling stomach 5 wks - gradual loss of energy, going from walking 3 mi with 3 hills in about 55 min, to 1/2 mile slowly, on flat ground, resting a few minutes, and back to my house.
Then developed a tight, unproductive cough, which became productive late 2020 with a thin, white mucus that was extremely difficult to clear.
From Nov 20 to early Jan 21 I was coughing twice a day for about 30 minute sessions of aerobic coughing to clear it, morning and near bedtime.
Were I not in exceptional physical condition at 70, not sure I would have got through it.
Other random symptoms were stabbing but fleeting pains in my calf muscles and ears and a post nasal drip that would choke me if not laying on my side while sleeping. Nasal stuff remains but mitigated by decongestants daily, Azelistine spray and occasional Zyrtec.
At 71 I'm back to active carpentry and workouts, weighing in at about 138 lbs 5'-4" and great physical results at my yearly recently.
I'm thankful as still enjoy long swims, xcskiing, hill walking etc.,etc.
In my adult life past 30, I've had the flu only 3 times. Last flu was early 60's I think. Can't remember a common cold at all, after 40's.
My mom was like that and 3 of my kids got the awards for never missing a day of school through high school.
So with all negative testing through 2020, 3 swabs and one blood antibody - no one believing it was C19 - I can only assume it was and think I have an immune system that was able to defeat it.
This video makes me a bit more comfortable in that assumption.
No one seems to be talking about this aspect besides you that I have seen.
Thanks again.
PS: the scientists I trust most are Dr Jay Batacharya and Dr Scott Atlas of Hoover Insti at Stanford, and Dr Martin Kulldorff of Harvard.
I spend a lot of time online at Hoover in differing subjects, lectures, panel discussions.
Auxiliary learning learning at a very high level - recommend it to all.
Hope your Christmas is restful and rewarding, and a safe and prosperous New Year to you.
Your symptoms resonate with me and I was COVID 19 positive on September 2020
@@sagarshrestha5800
Thanks Sagar. A Doc at the Veterans Association wrote all that into my record and was not negative about it.
I only go there for prescriptions and glasses mostly. Other Docs in the regular system were all in doubt.
Thanks for the reply. Stay well.
@@dongaetano3687 Thanks for the well wishes
Thank you for this study information. Learning more on each video.
Thank you for sharing and explaining this study Dr. Moran
Solid man Right here...!!...Thank you Dr..!!!
Too bad pharma doesn't want it to end and the fear addicts can't get out of their own heads. What troubles me is that "the Science" is completely ignoring the function of memory cells...
Thank you for that. We are about to forget the basics we learned in medical schools recently. But publications like this, shows that we don’t need to go again to a different medical school, in order to face Covid-19 infection 🙊.
Excellent info. Thank you Dr Moran.
Thank you, very important message
Thanks. Great presentation. Sounds like a VERY CRITICAL observations and results. Just shows how little we know and that the simple slogans used are WRONG!
Time to get back to REAL science and learning.
By "REAL science and learning" I assume you mean science that has conclusions that align with you preconceived ideas.
In the "real" science of cognitive psychology that is called confirmation bias.
@@steveremington My PhD is in Biomedical Engineering from MIT. So it is an Engineering prospective. Thus by Real Science I mean: You make a theory. Then construct a CRITICAL experiment to Prove or Disprove your theory AND to Learn MORE to further improve your theory or be able to have BETTER understanding to construct a BETTER theory. If your experiment or NEW Knowledge from anywhere shows that your proposal theory is WRONG you publish ALL and give opportunity for others to help and find a better theory and YOU continue to improve your theory and understanding. The goal is to have a better understanding to help ALL mankind and future generations. You rarely get it right the 1st time and there are ALWAYS improvement to be made down the road.
@@jehuda100 "Prospective" is pretty funny coming from a liar trying to claim he's had an education. Fail.
@@jehuda100 👍👍❤️
Concentrating solely on antibodies may ignore the complexity of the human immune system, but it helps sell vaccine mandates and other draconian, authoritarian measures.
"but it helps sell vaccine mandates and other draconian, authoritarian measures." OMG. You have nailed it! It must be a conspiracy or shadowy coverup.
It could not possibly be a case of you just not understanding a novel complex system with constantly emerging new informaiton.
Yes!
Actually it's the opposite. The U.K. was doing the right thing in testing for antibodies. Here in the U.S. they didn't even want to know that data and they had a tremendous puppet in the White House who was crying out loud to stop the testing altogether... AND apparently we have the current occupant of our White House who is towing the same line for Big Pharma, when I guess a series of Covid vaccinations will be required/given at birth... Same as the Old Boss.
I think it's more to do with the former ---> marketing. Selling and touting "anti-bodies-count" bragging rights reminds me a bit of the commercials for "Viagra" and "Cialis" arguing over which "brand" gets you harder. Or the competition between various brands of hair-regeneration remedies.
That complexity exists, the neutralizing antibodies prevent most infection. Without those levels you can get infected and spread the disease. Your immune system after vaccination and infection likely will prevent lung infection butt not oral and nasopharyngeal infection. The complexity you refer to takes time and during that time, while you are unlikely to get hospitalized,, you could be responsible for infecting someone and possibly lead to their death. The question is are you an asshole or a reasonable human being. High neutralizing antibodies stop transmission, period. Again it is about reducing transmission not your personal hospitalization.
Thanks! This is the way one would think it would turn out.
Great information, thanks very much for sharing this research !!!
Any time!
Thank you so much Dr .
This channel is one of the best unbiased source of education about the pandemic. I thank Dr. Moran.
Thank you for this.
Very interesting observations. Seems like there is a whole lot more for us to learn about protection from covid.
God bless you Sir!
Excellent explanation.
Really interesting studies . Thanks
Great work doc
Thank you kindly
Excellent! Thanks for bringing this study to our attention. It's always great when science data confirms what we've known already. I think you've made a good point there that in people who tested negative for antibodies, it is likely that the antibody levels are just very low and cannot be detected by the tests, but still sufficient. There has been evidence that our bodies produce some very potent antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 that are effective at nanomolar concentrations.
No, there hasn't.. you're misreading data again.
And what about the 800,000 people who have died from Covid, in the US alone.?
Sweeping them under the rug, perhaps.?
@@madben9981 Firstly, many deaths are misrepresented and weren't due to COVID at all but rather for other reasons. Secondly, many people die from all sorts of causes all the time. From heart disease and cancer each, you get a lot more deaths than COVID can ever achieve. I don't see the governments desperately trying to reduce those deaths. Thirdly, many deaths in the west happened due to poor management in the hospitals and care homes. Instead of providing early treatments to those who had the disease, they were simply told to stay at home, only for their condition to get worse later on. And then they'd discharge people back into care homes too soon and have them infect everyone in those care homes.
And if you really want some evidence of studies talking about how effective natural immunity is, here you go, the titles of papers you can easily find on google. Happy reading. All are very good papers. There are more, but these should be good to start you off.
1) SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans.
2) Immunological memory to SARS-CoV-2 assessed for up to 8 months after infection
3) Naturally acquired SARS-CoV-2 immunity persists for up to 11 months following infection
4) Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 generates T-cell memory in the absence of a detectable viral infection
5) SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in cases of COVID-19 and SARS, and uninfected controls
6) CD8+ T-Cell Responses in COVID-19 Convalescent Individuals Target Conserved Epitopes From Multiple Prominent SARS-CoV-2 Circulating Variants
7) Immunodominant T-cell epitopes from the SARS-CoV-2 spike antigen reveal robust pre-existing T-cell immunity in unexposed individuals
8) Targets of T Cell Responses to SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus in Humans with COVID-19 Disease and Unexposed Individuals
9) Evolution of antibody immunity to SARS-CoV-2
10) Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals
11) Ultrapotent antibodies against diverse and highly transmissible SARS-CoV-2 variants
12) Discrete immune response signature to SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination versus infection
13) Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections
14) Longitudinal analysis shows durable and broad immune memory after SARS-CoV-2 infection with persisting antibody responses and memory B and T cells
15) Long-Term Persistence of SARS-CoV-2 Neutralizing Antibody Responses After Infection and Estimates of the Duration of Protection
16) Quantifying the risk of SARS‐CoV‐2 reinfection over time
It is matter of degree, your personal immunity from severe illness does not protect others. Vaccinated people also have the long term immunity and most studies point to it being AT LEAST as potent as from infection. Most of what else he talks about is what happens as you age, your immune system degrades with age. The problem with accepting prior infection over vaccination is that people will lie about, as Aaron Rodgers demonstrated. The high neutralizing antibody levels represent significantly lower transmission from person to person, it has little to do with protection from severe illness, which vaccines and prior infection LIKELY infer.
@@zaurakdigis That's debatable. Dr Moran has extensively talked in this video about immunity in the absence of detectable antibody levels, so it can be pretty rapid and effective. Moreover, just because antibody levels aren't detectable, doesn't mean they're fully absent. Some antibodies are very potent. If you read up especially about the IgA dimers in the respiratory tract, they are much more potent than the IgG in the blood.
Regarding vaccination, well, there are some elements that might not make it quite as long or broad as natural infection. Vaccines only target the S protein at the moment. This is a fact. So if the S protein changes significantly in a new variant or strain, you'd need a booster. It's why they're pushing boosters now. Natural infection though has you exposed to all surface proteins, so even if S protein changes, your T and B cells can still recognize others.
@@MatthewAshworth nowhere does he say what you claim
Thanks doc,I now have high antibodies seven months after covid. Eating right,vita D3 etc, necessary .
Let's hope vaccines that come from other pharma that are not RNA ,that strengthen immune system get passed by FDA,and Euro counties.
Since I had Covid in December of 2020 without a vaccine I have been in contact with other people with Covid including my wife very recently that I had to look after , with the two of us in a small appartment for two weeks and my body could successfully fight off the latest Covid strain. And when I also did a serological test, it shows my antibodies were boosted up very high because of fighting Covid
Amazing!
So interesting!!
I had it in September 2020, my husband in January 2021 and my 13-year-old son in August of this year, neither my husband nor I were reinfected.
I had a cough and tiredness from March 2020, a temporary pause for a few days after the Pfizer shots, the finally cleared up after the Moderna booster shot. Last December I officially had Covid which was a stuffy nose for 3 days. No antibodies showed up on a subsequent test.
7:06 "If that was the case then the 4.36 reinfection rate could have even been higher."
Those were just infections, not _re_infections, as that group were not infected in the first wave.
I think he pointed out the other possible factors, such as those who thought they had not been previously infected, as they were asymptomatic and did not test positive for antibodies, though they could have still been present, just in lower numbers than needed for detection.
Thanks for commenting Oskar. I misspoke. My apologies. I was trying to indicate that the 4.36 would have been higher and so there could have been a much wider discrepancy between the 2 groups. Thanks for watching. Best regards.
1. After Delta did we hear about Epsilon though to Psi variants - we run out of Greek alphabet soon !
2. After blaming China for starting the Covid should we apply the same logic to the pharmaceutical
companies who wish to profit from new vaccines !!!!!!!!
Thanks dr Moran!
Q: is the USA rationale for booster shots based solely on waning antibodies?
Hi Dr. Moran, Can you please tell us what is considered high antibodies levels? Thank you.
Dr. Moran. Do you feel that Adeno-viral-vector technology might have a slight advantage in delivering that more comprehensive immunity with the battery of varied protection at the cellular-level than mRNA vaccine technology?
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you have transcripts. I can get more by reading and get it in less time.
Our bodies are amazing
Natural infection confer protection (i.e., less symptoms) from reinfection, though not totally. Instead of vaccination mandates, why not just test the presence of antibody in individuals who are reluctant to have the jab due to some reasons (e.g. they had been infected previously). Levels of antibodies wane but the test may still be helpful to such individuals who might have been previously infected.
Theirs no money in that for the big pharmas ,and all the governments contracts with masks and shares in the pharmas ,that's why they are keeping g it going ,this is about global control ,not a virus
Thanks so much Doctor. Did you use the word "reinfection" of the first -wave- pcr-negative subjects during the second -wave period? God bless and stay safe.
Dr. Moran did. In response to another comment on use of “reinfection” he said he misspoke.
@@brookeking8559 thank you for your guidance. At the same time, I'd like to ask Dr Moran if the illegally funded gain-of-function study conducted by Fauci on covid virus could possibly have had initiated the high mutation capability of the virus, and its high capability of infecting humans.
@@editaeleazarolleres9366 that’s a great question. A virologist might be able to explain or make an educated guess. I don’t know about Dr. Moran’s expertise apart from being a physician, but he may be on top of virology, too.
@@brookeking8559 thank you. I hope Dr Moran helps to answer this inquiry.
I have not had any symptoms of Covid-19 so far, and a recent test shows low level of antibodies to suggest that I have ever had it. That is interesting because I know for sure that I met people who had Covid-19 but at the time of our meeting they didn't know about that. In fact one of them even had to go to the hospital just after a few days of our meeting. From the very beginning of 2020 I knew that the best protection was to get enough level of vitamin D, exercises, cold exposure and ketogenic diet and I have been following all those recommendations. So far no symptoms of Covid-19, no vaccination, no antibodies as well. And yet, obviously I am well protected against Covid-19.
I wonder what cycle rate the PCR test was set to. The scientific rate or the political.
They say that the first wave was in March 2020, but I would swear I had coronavirus in Dec 2019 - Jan 2020. I've met several people who say they experienced the same thing. I've had colds and flus before, but this one was quite odd and unique, it felt like talcum powder in my chest. It was pretty mild, but it felt strange and it took weeks to go away.
I'm still glad to (still) be antibody positive (though my 799 seems quite low, 3 months after my third shot).
Is the PCR test valid as a diagnostic test?
Innate immunity from either prior Corona exposure that can be passed through birth.
Corona viruses have been around for centuries.
There are always going to be some people that are immune or humans would have died out long ago.
Thanks Dr Moran. Its odd the way the CDC says antibodies are important but shouldn't be test for. But if have them, they don't mean anything, but if they wane that's very important. Very confusing
The CDC for some reason wants to highlight falling immunity and suppress knowledge of durable natural immunity. They also changed their definition of “vaccine” on September 1, 2021 - just about three months before I type this. I don’t understand why the once trustworthy institution does these things and will not speculate on motives. Hopefully someone on the inside explains it or an investigative reporter discovers it. Otherwise it may be time to close the CDC.
I have had Covid about 3 times. I tested in between once and no antibodies. This was discouraging, however After that, I cleared Delta. Thank you Dr Moran.
No, what you mean is you had a false positive to a fake test.
@@marilynshepherd6480 No, I had Covid, I dont need any test to know that. Still, I had no antibodies.
Thank you very much Dr. I have been on the losing debate side to say exactly this topic. I said antibody is an incompleted measurement of China's Sinovac, MRNA team trying to lure people to that conclusion
I got no spleen had the Covid 19 symptom's a year ago not had it since. Heard of other people suffering the same and they are fine now.
That is absolutely correct and true, Natural Immunity is really durable. I myself, after being infected and recovered last March this year and exposed again last September, I never got symptoms and feeling better. Possible the B cells & T cells, activates & revs up after 2-3 days and protect me from illness or being sick, though I have not yet got a jab, I want to know, if hybrid immunity is really true for prior covid individuals, though vaccines last for six months only? And thus, if individuals like me with probable high antibody levels needed a jab? Ty
In December 2019, both my parents and my then 9 year old son got COVID. It whooped all of them, but they did recover.
My husband got it in May, pretty sick but recovered.
I tested myself every other day along with my husband, out of curiosity and to see if the at home tests were dependable (they most definitely are).
I never showed a positive, and out of- at this point increasing curiosity thinking I might have been asymptomatic at some point- I requested an antibody test on two separate occasions a few months apart.
I haven’t had a positive Ag test or Antibody test, and I am very curious as to how that could be.
Should I get a T cell test done? I know
There’s a company looking for volunteers. Just looking for an explanation, as I have been exposed multiple times and seem to still be COVID naive.
I wonder if I have this. Haven’t caught it at all. Haven’t been sick in nearly 5 years. And that was a little sore throat.
I have a very strong immune system
I haven't been sick with anything in over 10 years. I've been through both rounds of covid and never gotten sick. I do wear a mask when I go shopping though
Please can you give me your take on this.
Is there a test for the T and B cell immunity?
Dr. Moran, I got "sick" in the end of March 2020. worst sore throat ever, dots on my torso and a big toe infection. All was cleared up in 2 days. I went on with life. then in June of 2020 I had an afib while out on a run. I had been extremely tired daily since march 2020. at the hospital they did a covid test and was negative. Heart had no damage and everything was clear. But this afib event kicked off 18 months of absolute misery. Heart palpitations, skipped beats, brain fog , muscle twitching, muscle weakness. In july of 2020 I had another covid test - negative and my first antibody test - negative. But my immune system was firing and was affecting all parts of me. so, 18 months on Im finally coming around. never had a postive covid test or any antibodies discovered. Im really curious if I had covid but am one of the people that do not have antibodies?
And what is IgA's role in all this?
I had COVID recently and I was a candidate for out patient monoclonal antibody infusion treatment. Not sure how this therapy affects my ability for natural immunity. Could you explain how this therapy operates? Am I immune and should I get a test to know for sure?
We know for sure. You cannot represent any sort of baseline. Case closed.
Receiving antibody treatment will only grant a short-term immunity as those antibodies weren't produced by the body and their level will eventually reduce. The key thing to find out is whether your body got a chance to start producing its own antibodies and more importantly the memory cells. If you've been exposed to the virus, you should have some degree of protection. It might be worth checking on your antibody levels a few months down the line.
Could you please elaborate on the differences between B cells and T cells in the present context?
B-cells are mainly responsible for producing antibodies, which can attack the pathogens in the bloodstream or on the mucosal surfaces, whereas T-cells tend to be in charge of cell-mediated immunity (fighting pathogens that are inside cells), but some of their roles do affect the activity of B-cells too. There are different types of T-cells. Helper T-cells are like the messengers - they activate different parts of the immune system when the body gets infected, so they activate both the B-cells and other T-cells. Killer T-cells are like the soldiers - they locate cells which have been infected by viruses and destroy them (as infected cells become virus factories and keep replicating the virus). And then there are Regulatory T-cells, which seek out any immune cells which target our own healthy cells, and destroy them (this is to prevent an auto-immune response).
@@MatthewAshworth
Thank you very much for your narrative. I need a lot of reading.
@@Stop-and-listen Any time! Glad to be of help. :)
@@MatthewAshworth Good summary of an unbelievably complex process. Well done.
@@philipprice171 Thanks!
Another study showing the antibody = immunity model is outdated and the immune system is much more complex than we previously thought!
As with monoclonal antibodies, can memory t-cells and b-cells be cloned to inoculate people to fight cv19?
What was the answer, yes or nor?
I wonder if vaccination and no antibodies show immunity as well? It would be nice to know for immunocompromised patients who don't develop antibodies to the vaccine. I'd assume t cell immunity would still be evident but that's only against the spike protein and its variants
I have t-cells against Sars-Cov 2, I checked.
My blood tests always show low white blood cell count. I wasn’t shot, and got ch. virus anyway, but just headaches and irritated throat. Today, totally symptomless
I haved covid and all my family and friends and we are great everybody
Sadly building up immune systems, and taking into coimproving people’s general health
It's odd that this is hitting the urban populations a lot harder than rural communities. Clean living I guess.
I was sick, assumed it was the flu, in December 2020. If it was the flu, it was a bad one: worst in the middle and I remember thinking, "I see why people go to the doctor when they get this," because it WAS getting harder to breathe. But I stayed home and fought it off, was better after about ten days. Obviously no covid test.
Fast forward two years. I have not flaunted dictates--I wear a mask--but I've never completely isolated. We did family gatherings in 2020, and basically have lived normally in 2021. Masked at stores, if masking was required, but where freedom was allowed (N. Idaho, my church here in Portland,) I didn't. I've been to Mississippi, traveled from Mississippi to Las Vegas (by car) staying in motels and eating in restaurants. Have been unmasked in crowds in Las Vegas. As far as I know, I've not had close contact with anyone who was sick (with anything) but I've had opportunity to get covid unawares. So far, nothing.
(Yes, I have had covid tests.)
Pressure to be vaccinated has been high, not from an employer, as I'm self-employed, but family. The fear of censure, what would happen if I DID get sick, even though I'm not at high risk from covid, but do have a history of extreme immune response to vaccines, I think, actually made me sick at times (prompted the covid tests.) Finally said no, can't fear any more. But maybe I was also "fighting something," I don't know.
What I do know is that the immune system is amazing. I actually did get my antibodies and Tcell immunity tested...negative for both (:-() but that doesn't mean I am not successfully fighting this thing, and as long as I maintain solid health habits (my weight is good, I exercise daily, I manage stress, I do intermittent fasting, I take all the recommended supplements, I get decent sleep, and apparently my white blood cell count is on the higher end of the spectrum (could help!)) I figure my immune system is getting stronger, smarter. (Because if it's as infectious as they say, I've surely been exposed, no?)
We need to let our bodies do what they were made to do. We can be smart, for sure, many of us are not...my daughter is morbidly obese, doesn't even take vitamins regularly, but she's vaccinated. She hasn't been sick, probably has a great immune system, but the vaccine is still a bandaid, gives false security...maybe she WON'T get covid but she's still committing slow suicide, and limiting her options in the short term, barely lives life. It's HER life, but...anyway. :-/
What about getting T cell tested with adaptive biotechnologies.
I did that - has Covid in early Jan 20. T/ cell test in June 21 which came back negative. This video explains a lot!
@@CK-vp6hh so do you still feel like you are protected? My T Detect test also came back negative but I had positive antibodies for almost a year before they ran out. Don't see how I could not have memory cells
@@jdrumz321ify I do. Still being mindful- never want to be that sick again, though the very very few people who got it a second time says it was way less worse .
Big mistake terminating Jan 2021 , having to do with efficacy, They could have learned more
I had a antibodies test last week negative and I was 20 months frequently on travel by plane almost never wear a mask and was in contact with a lot of people strange isn’t it 🙈and not vaccinated no symptoms whatsoever none 65 and no medications since 40 years 😊
Hope the kittys are well
They have known about natural immunity for decades, possibly centuries. There isn't any profit from it though and that is the only reason it wasn't discussed.
My question: is this a new revelation or was it an already established principle pre-covid?
we miss the cats!
I have antibodies and still got it again. Just because you have antibodies doesn't mean you cant get re infected. I had it in 2020 and currently.
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