Even without being pedantic, he actually gave a good general recap of what happened. Even got it right that the end result was actually Archie Comics who fucked up and not Penders (though that said, still, #fuckpenders and his bullshit)
@@CouchSpud91 I swear, Penders is about the only time I've seen a creative and a company have a legal dispute over ownership rights and literally everyone sides with the company over it. (Also, I think the only time I've seen a comic book creative manage to win a legal suit against a comic book company over who owns a character)
@@Stephen-Fox I've only ever seen one guy ever take Penders' side, and it was some internet rando on a meme site who wanted to "correct" me when I explained the lawsuits to someone else who was curious. The very next day, that same rando decided to emphasize his point (which I did not even respond to, BTW) by making a completely serious, unironic post outlining the entire trial, with screenshots of whatever legal documents he felt helped his point that Penders was completely, unironically justified and morally right in his actions. To this day, I'm certain I spoke to the real Ken Penders, that day. The only reason I doubt it is that the dude is too shameless to hide behind a fake username; he would've made it *abundantly* clear it was him.
To explain Proto Man's animosity towards Dr. Light: Blues, aka Proto Man, was the first Robot Master created by Dr. Light, and appeared to be a success. However, his solar-based power source was unstable and needed to be replaced. Blues feared that doing so would rewrite his entire personality, and ran away. On the brink of death, he was found by Dr. Wily, repaired, and given the name, Proto Man. Correction: Wily called him, "Break Man." Proto Man gave himself that name. Thank you, everyone, for correcting me. My knowledge on Mega Man lore is rusty.
Proto Man's solar core was flawed and would eventually run out of juice, but because Blue's was built with such an independent personality he ran away out of fear he'd lose who he was. When Wily found him, he installed a more powerful, but even more unstable Nuclear core, and gave him his signature Proto Shield. He was given the name "Proto Man" because he was the Prototype Robot Master and his design would later go on to be the basis of the "Joe" series of robots.
Should also point out that before he got his energy source replaced, he went to Dr. Light's place one last time to make amends and get his energy source replaced there.....only to see from the skylight that Dr. Light, his father figure, had built two new Robot Masters, Rock and Roll, to be his children, and believed that meant Dr. Light replaced him. Hence why he isn't on good terms with the Dr. Light right now. He's not ready to reconnect on a personal level.
To explain the point of the Genesis Wave in the crossover: The in-universe explanation is that the more power it has the more of the reality it can alter. As such just having 1 emerald onpy changed things slightly and why they need the 7 emeralds for a full rewrite. The editorial reason for it however was to set the universe for the crossover to filfill 2 things: 1- Set Sonic's world for the duration of the crossover in a version more akin to the games as they wanted to make it jump-easy for people who just heard of the crossover but hadn't read any of the archie comics and its large cast of comic-only characters. 2- Set Megaman's world after the events of Megaman 10 as a way to be able to use more stuff from his games like Bass and other robot masters since, at the time of the crossover, the comic was still adapting stuff between the 2 and third games.
One of the things I liked about the Archie version was that each storyline was one Mega Man game, about four issues for each game. It's the first time I've seen that happen (the Dreamwave Mega Man comic and Ruby Spears cartoon Linkara mentioned just tossed everything out at the time into the blender and Mega Mix/Gigamix were trying to catch up to the games) and wish they kept that up.
@@Gaia_BentosZX5 Penders wasn't responsible for what happened with Mega Man. Ian Flynn was the writer of that comic and this whole crossover. Penders' hissy fit only ruined Sonic The Hedgehog. I actually stopped reading Sonic after the crossover because the roboticized Sally story went on far too long and I was already losing interest. Going over the Sonic comics now for my site I find I can't enjoy the Penders run on Sonic or Knuckles either.
It's also a way to make the two universes on a more even keel. As Lewis pointed out what makes a good crossover work is both sides though being different still treated equally and having value in their uniqueness. Which even if the stuff with Penders wasn't going on you couldn't have with Sonic that had 20+ years of storylines and characters while yeah Rock's world wasn't yet even at adapting the third game. Thus to put the two on a more stable playing field junked the non game associated characters from both comic runs and yeah crafted a world that was based on just all that game history. Thankfully the sequel to Worlds Collide, Worlds Unite was much more lax on that thus why you saw comic based characters and more then just beyond the games there but that story had other problems not worth getting into here.
According to the fan wiki, Walter Nagus said that the first Genesis Wave happened in Sonic Advance 3. The problem with that is Eggman is clearly seen using _one_ emerald in the opening (which had visuals oddly similar to when Eggman reversekai'd himself, Sonic and Sonic's friends in the first episode of Sonic X) and that was somehow enough to split the world into pocket realities.
I hate to break it to you @Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall, but you may be the third or fourth rebooted incarnation of yourself thats documented. I'm sorry you had to find out this way. And RIP to your earlier incarnations.
I didn’t even know about the Archie comics cameo (incidentally, congrats Linkara!) where else does he show up? Also, are we counting that one storyline from Apollo Z Hack as part of this?
@@BartmanBegins The "Linkaraverse" was opened aaaall the way back in the Warrior comic review crossover with Spoony. It's the one that introduced us to Dr. Linksano and Mechakara.
@@BartmanBegins well who knows maybe that long box of the damn host is a alternate version of him . which he is basically the final result of a world war z take over but with ghouls where he ended the ghouls endless feast to other universe . the sadly he merged with the other ghoul versions of himself to get the power he needed to defeat them and while he cant effect others to become a ghouls he has become one of the monsters he fought so hard to eradicate. this can also allow all his back story's be true as they are the story's of the many linkara"s before they were just another victim to the endless waves of ghouls hopping to new universe to consume more after they consumed all in the current universe there in.
Fun fact on the 2nd part's cover, it a tribute to the character select screen of Marvel Vs. Capcom 1, a crossover fighting game between Marvel and Capcom. Both Megaman and Roll were even playable characters in it.
@@mrdzentertainment1062 to be fair, MvC2 is the more iconic game. The only reason I know it is because I played the arcade cabinet a few times as a kid at the local pizza chain.
Always loved Wily and Eggman's interactions in this crossover. They really bonded over shared nemesis tropes and schemes (and the reasons for their inevitable split is pretty funny too).
@@farmerproductions9869 Dr. Eggman saw Dr. Light as too much of a liability and tried to kill him by chucking him off the Death Egg(Don't worry, Dr. Light lives, thank Shadow for that). But this act royally pisses off Dr. Wily. Dr. Wily doesn't want Dr. light dead because he wants to prove to Dr. Light he's the superior scientist, he can't do that if Dr. Light is dead. "I wanted Thomas humiliated and defeated, NOT DEAD!"
I have no doubt that Batman is to be blamed for Doctor Eggman and Doctor Willy meeting up; the Caped Crusader would do anything to stop the menace of Rock and Roll!
18:00 long story short if you care. Proto Man was Dr. Light’s first Robot Master but built with a faulty core that made him unstable. He’d need to undergo an extensive redesign to survive which Proto Man, then known as Blues, feared would erase his I.C chip. A fear that was seemingly confirmed when he overheard Light making a joke about how easy it would be to “overwrite his independence streak”. So Blues ran away from home contending himself to die over than lose his sense of self, but his body found by Dr. Wily. Wily updated Blue’s core to give him a temporary stabilization/life extension in exchange for his services. Blues would later turn on Wily upon realizing what kind of man he was adopting the name Proto Man and is willing to aid Mega Man in battle. However, Proto Man still doesn’t trust Light, and in one arcade game outright refuses treatement from him, still believing that eventual death is better than risking losing his personality.
12:09 god that makes me imagine Knuckles having to sign a contract or something and the reveal that his name is something like "Johnathan P. Knuckles Echidna". Archie would absolutely go there. In that continuity, Sonic's canon name is "Olgilvie Maurice Hedgehog".
What I have a soft spot for when it comes to Mega Man is how for the most part they were able to cobble together a general game timeline: Classic-X-Zero-ZX-Legends
@@Volvagia1927 Battle Network was to be a splinter timeline if Dr. Light studied Internet tech instead of robotics. That kind of falls apart when X-series characters start showing up, though.
Though due to capcom’s wishy washy staff every Megaman sub series is a possible future to the others in case they one day make games that cannot fit into the timeline proper such as X Command Mission being in the same century as the Zero series (I think opposite ends of the century as Zero is around the latter half of the century being 154+ years later and 200 something years in the future is 25XX) Despite how it may sound I still freakin love this and love to discuss the timeline and lore
"Dr. Light had a dream of a utopian future where man and machine worked side-by-side." In the games canon, humans and Reploids (aka the humanoid robots Mega Man and the bosses belong to) ended up intermingling and a few thousand years later, humanity has been bred out of existence, first becoming Humanoids (which are essentially cyborgs) in the ZX games, then fully replaced by Carbons in the Legends timeline. It's also implied that this happened to animal life as well, as all animals that appear in the Mega Man universe, especially from X onwards, are robots. So, in a way, Dr. Light did achieve his goal... which ended up causing the extinction of humanity.
In the time of classic they are just robots however by 21XX there are mechaniloids (how robots without human level independence and mind are classed) and reploids (robots that do have human level independence and mind) post Zero Series equality laws were put into place where humans would be essentially given majority robotic parts to various degrees (there’s mention in that almost entire bodies were stored) meanwhile reploids were given lifespans and presumably other data that allows them human sensations so both would be able to experience the same experiences and fears as each other. Later on Carbons/Decoys in japan would be created presumably by a certain figure in ZX as their description (in Japanese dialogue, translation was weird) seems to match the carbons closely. However treatment of carbons in the future does contradict their purpose of them replacing the current people and inheriting the earth as a perfect human machine hybrid (where they can reproduce like humans but with simple surgery or some other procedure that is simple they can exchange body parts for machine parts with ease and return to the old body parts just as easily) In the future of legends they’re supposedly used to reconstruct the world’s environment by making it habitable for themselves. They’re given their own history and culture but if a place had too many that area would be wiped out. The aim of Elysium who controls all the ancient machines and ruins on earth is to one day restore pure humans to the world after it is restored. So yeah clearly the ZX figure lost but the conflict involving them devastated the planet leading to the state of Legends (which is apparently 80XX but the only mention of that was Megaman 11 prima guide’s timeline)
Well, guess THIS time, Shadow WAS an Android! Oh wait, Linkara hasn't played Shadow the Hedgehog...And can barely tell the difference between Metal Sonics and Shadow Androids anyway.
What's interesting about the reality shift is it brings megaman's reality up to par with Sonic's in terms of length. A lot of characters hadn't been introduced yet (and since megaman's series got cancelled, never will), and this allows them to show up for the crossover. For instance, at this point in the story protoman was a bad guy, in fact he and MegaMan were fighting when the reality shift happened. Another interesting point is that MegaMan says Dr. Light figured out how to teleport humans, but in the main series they couldn't do that yet, only teleport robots (ala how Megaman's levels start).
The Genesis Wave is kinda…confusing but from my understanding, the more emeralds you have the more reality you can alter. With one Emerald you can alter how some things played out, but history will still play out kinda the same. With all seven, you can alter reality with no limits and mold it to however you wish
That's about it it's not that confusing really. When Eggman first did it I was basically to reset reality so it would reset Sonic so he would be stopping him but that didn't work out as we all know
The things Eggman and Willy changed: For Willy, he moved the events of his world to around MegaMan 8(the comic was barely in MegaMan 3 I think) For Sonic, the world was more accurate to the Games rather than the Archie Comics none of the Archie Comics Characters make an appearance
Comic was post Megaman 2 where Archie’s adaption of super adventure Rockman took place (around post megaman 5 supposedly in the games) megaman 3 would be set up just after this adaption. The crossover would leave a slight change afterwards where no damage to people or property occurred during the battle that took place… however later on the more time travel aspects seem to have changed as Rockman Shadow seems to be missing in the future vision issue compared to the prelude to (even if never adapted) Megaman II for the gameboy adaption which did seem to show him
Kind of, they removed a lot of the characters that originated Archie, but the Freedom Fighters and other Sonic characters from media still appeared post-reboot.
Wow, Linkara. You amaze me. The entire review and you didn't pull out a joke concerning the _other_ Dr. Light, the one you're more familiar with. Impressive. You just unlocked the No Psycho/Goofball Reference Achievement, man.
Ah, I'm so happy to see this. Yes, I am a Megaman geek, and not ashamed to admit it. Yes, I also own most of the Megaman comics, including this crossover. For the Genesis wave, it's a bit complicated, but it made Sonic's world closer to the games, rather than the Archie's comics, while on the Megaman side, those comics were at Ra Moon's arc, which is nestled between Megaman 2 and 3 timeline wise, but after the wave, brought the timeline to after Megaman 10. You'll see a lot of hidden details for fans, even some of the more obscure stuff. Like later on, you'll see a trio of robot masters that only appeared in the Genesis compilation game Megaman: The Willy Wars. As for space robots, that would be Megaman V on Gameboy, where he faces off against the Stardroids. I look forward to more, and I'd be happy to lend a hand with the Megaman content you might not be familiar with. Definitively my niche.
Also, if you really want to get into obscure lore, one of the alien robots that Megaman fought. Still not sure why they threw that it. More obvious "alien robots" are the evil energy thing from Megaman 8 and the original robots from Megaman V (the Gameboy one.) And whatever else the comics might have thrown in.
@@EmperorSeththe game lore had shadow man mentioned to be made from materials not found on earth. Comics would use that to combine all alien aspects to connect with each other in lore however in game canon that is not established so all aspects of alien technology not from the same game have an unknown connection if any exists at all
They lean into the gag later in the series when the Doctors decide to send "Shadow Man" after Mega Man and Sonic and aren't sure which of the two to send. (So they send both.)
This crossover should be adapted for the movies like the live-actions ones with Sonic, and adapt specially the sequel saga Worlds Unite into a epic movie that would be like Avengers Endgame.
That somebody deliberately included you in a comic or did they just by coincides draw somebody that looks like you, I can't decide which one is the funniest 😀
13:15 you say that but in one game (Mega Man & Bass) Proto Man gets sliced in half and says depending on the translation “I’m fine” or “it’s just a scratch”
17:05 This is funny given the existence of things like Dark Gaia who split apart the world into chunks after Eggman woke it up in Unleashed. And the Lost Hex (Yes. I know Lost World didn't come out until about 6 months after the first issue of this crossover. But still)
24:03 The Genesis Wave in this first act of the crossover was essentially an excuse to set the continuity of the crossover to align with the game canon of both franchises, which is why it they didn't fully explain *why* they did that. From that point instead of their Archie continuities, you have: - Sonic from post Sonic Generations (so no comic/cartoon characters such as Sally Acorn) - Mega Man from post Mega Man 10 (all games were canon to the Archie continuity, so it was basically a fast-forward from before Mega Man 3)
yeah it was mostly just a way they could have characters like auto and bass be in the crossover, and have protoman be more heroic than what he was during the series
0:37 That actually gets referenced in the Archie comic, there's an anti-robot terrorist organization called Emerald Spears, the second leader of which has a role in the second crossover, Worlds Unite.
This is a real fun surprise on my feed. I'm glad you enjoyed the first act of this crossover. And I hope you enjoy the rest of it if you ever get a chance to review it
Well it could be worse in the trailer to announce this comic they could of made Sonic CGI and make him look creepy and upsetting until fans see the trailer for this comic and demand for it to be change which they do but not before Ken Penders tries to sue them
This is easily the most excited I've ever been for a review on this show! This comic was basically my Technis Imperative and got me into Megaman's franchise. After having had to deal with an earache for several days, this was just the pick me up I needed. 17:58 Blues was also created by Doctor Light. He ran away after various circumstances and, when he eventually came home, thought he was replaced by Rock and Roll. While the timeline shift has made him more calmer, he still has some hang ups with Doctor Light as a result. The Genesis Wave, basically, the wave rewrote both realities to push them to be far more like the game universes. Megaman's world was basically already adapting the games, so it just got pushed forward to after Megaman 10. Sonic's world got more rewritten to be like the games, sliding it to after Generations. It basically excised most of the non-game characters for sake of simplicity.
@Ice-Climber And the second one adds in Mega Man X, Sticks from Sonic Boom, and a whole bunch of other Sega and Capcom franchises such as Street Fighter, Golden Axe, Skies of Arcadia, and Viewtiful Joe.
The Genesis Wave did different things in the two different worlds. On Mega Man's side, all it did was shift things further along in the timeline past the events of Mega Man 10 (the comics had not even gotten up to the events of Mega Man 3 at this point). On Sonic's side, this was actually the second Genesis Wave, as Eggman had done a similar one in an earlier event comic at this point. The Wave basically changed Sonic's World so it was an exact match for the Sonic games' continuity, getting rid of any SatAM or comic exclusive characters. I'm not sure what advantage this changed world gave Eggman or Wily, but in the context of the real world it was done so any reader unfamiliar with Sonic or Mega Man's comics at that point could still enjoy the crossover. This was an element that the second crossover, Worlds Unite, lacked.
No, SatAM characters were still there, I remember Sally and Antoine being there. But their relationship was reset, as if it had been the first issue with no cartoon before it. Also, Sonic OVA Eggman
@@masteryoraerasanteYou misunderstand my meaning. During the Worlds Collide crossover, the Genesis Wave changed Sonic's World to match the games' continuity. No comic or cartoon exclusive characters actually show up in the crossover proper. After the crossover ended, Eggman's interference in Sonic's Chaos Control caused the universe's reboot (the new-252) which brought back the SatAM characters and some of the Ian Flynn-created characters, but rebooted how most events happened, erasing all Penders/Bollers/Gallagher-created characters. Sonic OVA Eggman only showed up in issue 101 of Archie Sonic, when Green Knuckles rewrote reality briefly. That wasn't caused by the Genesis Wave. SatAM characters showed up in that altered reality as well. The First Genesis Wave was in Sonic: Genesis, an event comic between Sonic #225-230. That basically rewrote the universe to tell the events of Sonic 1 and 2, but the SatAM characters were still there. It got undone at the end of the event.
There is a cameo of Snively so the characters may exist but not closely tied to sonic so it’s possible the choice was to keep sonic away from most of his friends only keeping a few who were too close for one emerald to change
@@Xeno-The-WandererSnively was only there because he was a prisoner onboard the Wily Egg when Eggman launched the wave, so he was protected from the changes for the crossover, but not for the later reboot.
It was disappointing that this crossover was limited to only game characters and didn't feature any comic cast from either book. At least the 2nd crossover amended that.
7:00 Ra Moon and Super Adventure Rockman are... kind of weird. Initially, the game was set sometime after Mega Man 3 where Wily was trying to redeem himself and Dr. Light was helping him, until Wily ended up finding Ra Moon while searching for the cause of an electromagnetic wave that was screwing with robots all across the world. Moon then revived the Mega Man 2 and 3 Robot Masters and Wily turned evil again. In the comics, the events of the game were set between 2 and 3 and used to explain the Mega Man 3 Robot Masters.
21:33 This is hilarious to me considering something that happened later in his comic. Let's just say it turns out the first law of robotics is not only its own loophole but _also_ a loophole to the third law's " does not conflict with the First or Second Law." clause. Also if his three laws programming applies to all life rather than just humanity.. SONIC'S FRIENDS ARE BEING HARMED! THE FIRST LAW NULLIFIES ITSELF IN THIS SITUATION!
12:10 Tails is a nickname, his real name is Miles Prower. (Which is a pretty dumb pun considering he is not as fast as Sonic is.) (Also I'm pretty sure Bee is actually Charmy's last name as he doesn't have a "the" in his name.) There was no such consistency and Shadow and Knuckles do not have any other names. Heck, Shadow isn't even Shadow's name, it was the name of the research project that created him as an artificial life ultimate form. Also the Biolizard is his prototype and technically his sibling. Also I guess Gerald and Black Doom are kind of his dads so _technically_ his last name is Robotnik-Doom or Doom-Robotnik but this isn't canon or official.
24:02 To answer your questions about the Genesis Wave, it was something Eggman had used prior to this crossover to rewrite reality into a more Classic Sonic style world for the 20th anniversary miniseries called Sonic Genesis, which was undone by the end of the miniseries. And now in this Crossover it’s being used rewrite reality again, only now it’s to have both series match with where things were at with the current games at the time, since Archie Sonic’s story was wildly different than the main game continuity and the Mega Man comic, while a closer match to the games, hadn’t caught up with the current games at the time. So now the writers don’t have to worry about the comic continuities not matching the game continuities and just focus on a crossover between the game versions of Sonic and Mega Man. So yeah, that’s pretty much the gist of the Genesis Wave and what it did, if that makes any sense.
First off, oddly the reason why Mega Man and Sonic spend so much of the crossover fighting each other was because it was an edict from both SEGA and Capcom to Archie. Anyway, I'm not surprised that someone who focuses on comics doesn't really know much about Mega Man. Despite being around since the 80's, this was his first American comics series and it ended as soon as the license ran out. Copyright reasons made his characters inaccessible for Valiant's short lived Captain N the Game Masters comic, where he was present in the cartoon version. The only other American Mega Man comic wouldn't be until years later, where Boom published a tie-in finale to the Mega Man Fully Charged cartoon (which was basically a Ben 10 cartoon with Mega Man characters, so you weren't wrong there). While we did get some of the Japanese published Rockman manga (especially NT Warrior's Coro Coro comics adaption), that was a relatively short lived venture as well.
I always wondered if Patreon sponsoring the Dreamwave Mega Man comics would have been worthwhile, since I wasn't sure if you were a Mega Man fan or not. Now I have my answer. XD That said, I strongly encourage checking out the Archie Mega Man run in general, as it's really good stuff, and there's only 55 issues (plus the crossovers here and in Worlds Unite). Might even be worthy of a short retrospective someday...? I dunno, it just always struck me as the sort of thing you'd like. =)
I'd love to see you cover the rest of the comic, it's really good. As for what the Genesis Wave did for both universes, Sonic's was changed to be more like the game (and also retroactively, the IDW) continuity, and Mega Man's was time-shifted to be sometime after the events of Mega Man 10.
Sonic was one to talk about a robot calling a living being dad. His father was a robot, until the Penders incident retconned him into nonexistence. He was robotized and had to stay like that, even after regaining his free will.
Never forget how Jules (Sonic's Dad) stared down a rampaging Scourge (Evil Sonic). Jules may lack his son's super speed but he was a soldier, and he refused to be cowed by some boy throwing a tantrum.
@@Future_Vantas Not so much rampaging, but rather stooping so low to sneaking in at night to get a jump on Sonic Prime. Scourge only backed down when Jules pointed out how unfathomably PISSED Sonic would be if Scourge did anything to him. Still, my favorite Jules moment.
That’s not really the same thing since his dad was a normal hedgehog that was turned into a robot whereas Megaman is a robot calling a human his father.
@@skyslasher2297 it kinda is. Jules was robotocized when Sonic was barely a toddler. And was reunited with Sonic when he was already a teenager. Sonic may know his dad was once a flesh and blood Mobian, but he only remembers his dad as the Robian he was until the reboot.
I still remember the "Top Reasons why Linkara will never review these type of comics" and obviously the one standing up is Sonic... and I'm glad Patreons prove that they will get what they want and so will we! I still can't believe the solution to fixing the lawsue of losing so many Sonic characters was to do this crossover. Gotta admit... it's rather brilliant!
Oh my God you appear in The Sonic the hedgehog and Littlest Pet Shop comics that's way different than seeing Nostalgia Critic and Angry Video Game Nerd and an anime. LOL
Adding a very very strong recommendation for the Mega Man comic. Its such a great love letter to the Classic series and has really great characterization. Love how they emphasize Rock's conflict over constant fighting and Blue's feeling of being replaced.
Technically Sonic's world isn't called Mobius anymore at this point in the comic due to Sega mandates that the world can't have a name at all. EDIT: additionally the whole idea of Mobius being future Earth was a Penders creation, and thus 1 of the things that had to be scrubbed from the comic post lawsuit. It wasn't just characters that were banned but whole ideas and plot threads that had to go as well.
Ken had nothing to do with Mobius being a distant future Earth. Karl Bollers was the writer of that issue (#124) and it was a Sega mandated change. Furthermore Ben Hurst, the story editor for SATAM, had apparently always planned to reveal that in a future season of the show if it hadn't been cancelled. The difference being it would have been the result of a thermonuclear conflict and not an outside alien race like the Xorda.
Not only a version of you showing up in the Sonic Universe, but also a version of Viga. Nice to know that there's at least one universe where you two are a couple ❤.
I still think they should have waited another movie for the Shadow era characters and added Amy and Metal Sonic for the 3rd film, but I realize they're prioritizing the most popular characters.
I know this may be a stretch to mention. But there was a comic/visual novel made based around an old MTV show from December 19, 1994 to about February or March of 1996 that has lately been getting some rounds and a bit of a following. And it is called MTV's The Head - A Legend Is Born. The odd part of that series, MTV's The Head, was how the creator of that show would later go on to make one of my favorites from MTV in 1998 to 2002, and would get a comeback on MTV2 from 2006 to 2007. And his other show would be Celebrity Deathmatch. He did do other stuff after that. One of which was 2009's Glenn Martin DDS from Nick at Nite. But yeah, from what I can tell, the novel took place after the final episode aired in 1996, and the rest of the story would be told book form. I know the novel is available on a certain "archive", and seeing as though(as of this post in March of 2024), its approaching its 30th year anniversary since it was ever aired on MTV. That would be one to take a deep dive in. One other thing, the block it aired on(namely MTV's Oddities) also had another show based around one of my favorite comic book characters from Image Comics. And that show being The Maxx(which I guess everyone by now knows of from either the comic or the show). But yeah, its worth a read. Check it out when you can.
this crossover is bittersweet to me. on one hand, it’s a crossover i feel makes a lot of sense (games where a blue protagonist fights mad roboticist to save the world, and there’s like 15 billion versions thanks to spinoffs and adaptations). on the other, it was just a distraction to reboot the sonic comics a second time (THANKS KEN PENDERS YOU [insert civvie 11 randy nickname here])
Just a yes or no question, but would you be willing to review the comic "The New Adventures of MegaMan" also called "MegaMan (Brazil)" or is that outside your pay grade? As it was never officially translated to English. The comic is well known for being the worst licensed comic based on a video game and is being best known for, do to people passing the buck repeatedly, Capcom accidentally hiring a guy who hates comic books and videogames to make a comic book about a videogame. The theory for how the comic was made was a Brazilian comic company was intended to be hired to translate a manga from Japanese to Spanish, but the contract was mistranslated and let the company make their own comic. So they did, poorly.
The Genesis Wave is a glorified plot device. In then current continuity, Mega Man hadn't even done its Mega Man 3 adaptation yet, while Archie Sonic was so detached from the games it might as well be a different series. What the Genesis Wave did was basically temporarily switch out the comic versions of each world with the game version. That way Mega Man has all 10 main games under his belt, while Sonic is more recognizable to non-comic readers. The sequel, Worlds Unite, didn't use the Genesis Wave and instead used the existing comic versions, meaning the Freedom Fighters actually make an appearance
I had seen the covers where Wily and Eggman seem incredibly chummy and thought it was nice they were having fun with the concept. I hadn't seen the parts where they meet up and go "No you hang up", "nooo silly~, youu hang up~" "oooh stawp darling, youuu hang up~" And let me tell you- I adore it. I also see in some comments that they then have a falling out which, you know, egos like that, it was inevitable, but I am still kind of sad to see it happen. I have known this villainous team-up for less than 30 minutes, and I'm already ready to die for them.
The Genesis wave basically re-wrote both realities to be basically just the game universes. On Sonic's side, it removed every character that didn't come from the games, so all the characters made for the comic, or from a cartoon that the comic adopted don't appear (it also removed the ongoing storyline that got dropped due to the reboot at the end of this). On Megaman's side, the comic was going through all the games and adapting them one by one, this pushed to to take place after Megaman 10 (maybe 11? Can't remember when that came out) so they could use more characters that hadn't appeared yet. Also removed all the characters created for the comic. I assume all of this was done to make the crossover accessible to people who had only played the games and not read the comics.
From what I know the Genesis wave was basically to bring the mega man story to its post-10 status quo since the story at the time was still building up to the mega man 3 storyline. The sonic side of things is most likely related to the lawsuit.
25:42 No, you got it right, though you left out the part where the lovecraftian aliens called Xorda used gene bombs to devolve humans while also accidentally evolving animals into mobians. Though thousands of years had passed since then and the devolved humanity mostly evolved into the four fingered and toed overlanders. Far fewer actual humans evolved back normally, having lived in isolation in Station Square.
& how the Xorda still held a grudge against Earthlings after all these millennia. Like, I know humans vivisected their ambassadors, but at this point they're just being petty.
From what I remember, the Genesis Wave, on Mega Mans side, moved the time line up. The comics had only covered up until Mega Man 3 I believe, and the Wave moved the time line up past Mega Man 10. Since Mega Man games tend to end on a "every thing goes back to the status status quo" kind of story, there wouldn't many noticeable changes unless you know the lore. This is mainly to give Wily access to Bass (who didn't get introduced until Mega Man 7) and access to other stuff that would be a spoiler for either this crossover or the next one. Also it allows Proto Man to be an ally since at this point in the comic he was an antagonist who would eventually switch sides. Actually I think he had just met Mega Man face to face for the first time when reality got twisted. So basically it felt more like the writers trying to justify getting all the Mega Man characters that haven't been introduced yet to show up for this. As for Sonics side... I have no idea. I didn't read Sonic comics.
To explain what happened with the Genesis Wave, basically it was used to reset each continuity to something more basic and more in line with the actual games, removing any comic original locations and characters.
You know a Sonic/Mega Man crossover comic strangely makes a lot of sense when you consider that both franchises main baddies are scientists trying to take over the world with an army of robots 😅 6:48
in a nutshell, the Genesis wave took the characters out of the comic continuity and made them more in line with their Game versions. Since the MegaMan Comics hadnt gotten past 3 by that point.
05:26 "To that end he created his robot children, Rock and Roll."
Unfortunately for them, they then became Batman's greatest enemies.
The real question here is which Batman gadget would he assimilate?
@SpectralTime I love how I read that and my brain immediately provides "batarangs, but he fires them like the quick boomerang."
"To make a long story short about the Penders lawsuit..."
*Opens mouth*
"...and please, don't be pedantic about it..."
*Closes mouth*
A wasted chance for a "don't be 'Penderdantic' about it"
... I'll show myself out.
Even without being pedantic, he actually gave a good general recap of what happened. Even got it right that the end result was actually Archie Comics who fucked up and not Penders (though that said, still, #fuckpenders and his bullshit)
@@CouchSpud91 I swear, Penders is about the only time I've seen a creative and a company have a legal dispute over ownership rights and literally everyone sides with the company over it. (Also, I think the only time I've seen a comic book creative manage to win a legal suit against a comic book company over who owns a character)
@@Stephen-Fox I've only ever seen one guy ever take Penders' side, and it was some internet rando on a meme site who wanted to "correct" me when I explained the lawsuits to someone else who was curious. The very next day, that same rando decided to emphasize his point (which I did not even respond to, BTW) by making a completely serious, unironic post outlining the entire trial, with screenshots of whatever legal documents he felt helped his point that Penders was completely, unironically justified and morally right in his actions.
To this day, I'm certain I spoke to the real Ken Penders, that day. The only reason I doubt it is that the dude is too shameless to hide behind a fake username; he would've made it *abundantly* clear it was him.
To explain Proto Man's animosity towards Dr. Light:
Blues, aka Proto Man, was the first Robot Master created by Dr. Light, and appeared to be a success. However, his solar-based power source was unstable and needed to be replaced. Blues feared that doing so would rewrite his entire personality, and ran away. On the brink of death, he was found by Dr. Wily, repaired, and given the name, Proto Man.
Correction: Wily called him, "Break Man." Proto Man gave himself that name. Thank you, everyone, for correcting me. My knowledge on Mega Man lore is rusty.
So Blues came before Rock and Roll... Makes sense...
Proto Man's solar core was flawed and would eventually run out of juice, but because Blue's was built with such an independent personality he ran away out of fear he'd lose who he was. When Wily found him, he installed a more powerful, but even more unstable Nuclear core, and gave him his signature Proto Shield. He was given the name "Proto Man" because he was the Prototype Robot Master and his design would later go on to be the basis of the "Joe" series of robots.
@@CelestialAmethyst92
Actually, Wily renamed him Break Man . He renamed himself Proto Man later after cutting his ties with Dr. Wily .
Should also point out that before he got his energy source replaced, he went to Dr. Light's place one last time to make amends and get his energy source replaced there.....only to see from the skylight that Dr. Light, his father figure, had built two new Robot Masters, Rock and Roll, to be his children, and believed that meant Dr. Light replaced him. Hence why he isn't on good terms with the Dr. Light right now. He's not ready to reconnect on a personal level.
That sounds like something out of The Megas song
To explain the point of the Genesis Wave in the crossover:
The in-universe explanation is that the more power it has the more of the reality it can alter. As such just having 1 emerald onpy changed things slightly and why they need the 7 emeralds for a full rewrite.
The editorial reason for it however was to set the universe for the crossover to filfill 2 things:
1- Set Sonic's world for the duration of the crossover in a version more akin to the games as they wanted to make it jump-easy for people who just heard of the crossover but hadn't read any of the archie comics and its large cast of comic-only characters.
2- Set Megaman's world after the events of Megaman 10 as a way to be able to use more stuff from his games like Bass and other robot masters since, at the time of the crossover, the comic was still adapting stuff between the 2 and third games.
One of the things I liked about the Archie version was that each storyline was one Mega Man game, about four issues for each game. It's the first time I've seen that happen (the Dreamwave Mega Man comic and Ruby Spears cartoon Linkara mentioned just tossed everything out at the time into the blender and Mega Mix/Gigamix were trying to catch up to the games) and wish they kept that up.
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@@Gaia_BentosZX5 Penders wasn't responsible for what happened with Mega Man. Ian Flynn was the writer of that comic and this whole crossover. Penders' hissy fit only ruined Sonic The Hedgehog. I actually stopped reading Sonic after the crossover because the roboticized Sally story went on far too long and I was already losing interest. Going over the Sonic comics now for my site I find I can't enjoy the Penders run on Sonic or Knuckles either.
It's also a way to make the two universes on a more even keel. As Lewis pointed out what makes a good crossover work is both sides though being different still treated equally and having value in their uniqueness. Which even if the stuff with Penders wasn't going on you couldn't have with Sonic that had 20+ years of storylines and characters while yeah Rock's world wasn't yet even at adapting the third game. Thus to put the two on a more stable playing field junked the non game associated characters from both comic runs and yeah crafted a world that was based on just all that game history. Thankfully the sequel to Worlds Collide, Worlds Unite was much more lax on that thus why you saw comic based characters and more then just beyond the games there but that story had other problems not worth getting into here.
According to the fan wiki, Walter Nagus said that the first Genesis Wave happened in Sonic Advance 3. The problem with that is Eggman is clearly seen using _one_ emerald in the opening (which had visuals oddly similar to when Eggman reversekai'd himself, Sonic and Sonic's friends in the first episode of Sonic X) and that was somehow enough to split the world into pocket realities.
I hate to break it to you @Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall, but you may be the third or fourth rebooted incarnation of yourself thats documented. I'm sorry you had to find out this way. And RIP to your earlier incarnations.
It's only a matter of time before we get "Into the Linkara-verse".
I didn’t even know about the Archie comics cameo (incidentally, congrats Linkara!) where else does he show up?
Also, are we counting that one storyline from Apollo Z Hack as part of this?
@BartmanBegins Maybe a "Final Link-crisis"?
@@BartmanBegins The "Linkaraverse" was opened aaaall the way back in the Warrior comic review crossover with Spoony. It's the one that introduced us to Dr. Linksano and Mechakara.
@@BartmanBegins well who knows maybe that long box of the damn host is a alternate version of him . which he is basically the final result of a world war z take over but with ghouls where he ended the ghouls endless feast to other universe . the sadly he merged with the other ghoul versions of himself to get the power he needed to defeat them and while he cant effect others to become a ghouls he has become one of the monsters he fought so hard to eradicate. this can also allow all his back story's be true as they are the story's of the many linkara"s before they were just another victim to the endless waves of ghouls hopping to new universe to consume more after they consumed all in the current universe there in.
Fun fact on the 2nd part's cover, it a tribute to the character select screen of Marvel Vs. Capcom 1, a crossover fighting game between Marvel and Capcom.
Both Megaman and Roll were even playable characters in it.
I love how they even put the text "Select Your Hero" in the same spot as that screen. The attention to detail on that cover was really great.
Yeah, I know Linkara isn't very familiar with fighting games, but still, him just calling it a "kinda fighting game select screen" hurt me a lot, lol.
@@DarkOverlord96it was a blow to the soul having MVC 1 so disrespected...
@@mrdzentertainment1062 to be fair, MvC2 is the more iconic game. The only reason I know it is because I played the arcade cabinet a few times as a kid at the local pizza chain.
@@cwooddirectorRIP X-Men vs Street Fighter and especially X-Men Children of the Atom though. Those are even more obscure than the first MvC.
I loved the MegaMan comics. It sucks that they got basically cancelled.
Always loved Wily and Eggman's interactions in this crossover. They really bonded over shared nemesis tropes and schemes (and the reasons for their inevitable split is pretty funny too).
Imagine if they were able to have Crash Bandicoot characters too, Eggman, Dr. Wily and Cortex interacting would have been hilarious.😂
@@KrazyChibiThrow in Dr. Nefarious from Ratchet and Clank and you got an Elite Four of mad scientists.
Cani please ask what the reason for the split was?
@@farmerproductions9869 Dr. Eggman saw Dr. Light as too much of a liability and tried to kill him by chucking him off the Death Egg(Don't worry, Dr. Light lives, thank Shadow for that). But this act royally pisses off Dr. Wily.
Dr. Wily doesn't want Dr. light dead because he wants to prove to Dr. Light he's the superior scientist, he can't do that if Dr. Light is dead.
"I wanted Thomas humiliated and defeated, NOT DEAD!"
@@KrazyChibi Be interesting too since Cortex is more of a biologist than a roboticist. That is more N Gin's deal
I have no doubt that Batman is to be blamed for Doctor Eggman and Doctor Willy meeting up; the Caped Crusader would do anything to stop the menace of Rock and Roll!
Well Batman has met Sonic before, so of course he’ll be blamed for altering Sonic’s dimension.
Honestly Im shocked that this crossover got patroned before Shattered Grid…
Same here as well 😊
Don’t underestimate Sonic fans!
The power of the Sonic fandom
I'm more surprised nothing from Invincible got patroned yet.
I think people kept assuming he’d get to it on his own while Lewis himself assumed someone would patron it, so here we are
25:47 "hot the detail" and "nlame me"
The sequel to Linkara vs. Geography; Linkara vs. English
Typos during the end credits text are more frequent than I like to admit. XD
well of course there are typos, don't you remember?? because poor literacy is kewl!!
God gave Rockman 'n Roll to you
...gave Rockman 'n Roll to you
Put it in the console of everyone
Sonic and Littlest Pet Shop! It seems Linkara is one of the Watchers like Uatu. I wonder how many more comic books he's appeared in?
If we're counting webcomics, he also appeared in a Shortpacked! strip by David Willis.
At this point, when you think he’ll pop up in Power Rangers comic. Now that will be an achievement.
18:00 long story short if you care. Proto Man was Dr. Light’s first Robot Master but built with a faulty core that made him unstable. He’d need to undergo an extensive redesign to survive which Proto Man, then known as Blues, feared would erase his I.C chip. A fear that was seemingly confirmed when he overheard Light making a joke about how easy it would be to “overwrite his independence streak”. So Blues ran away from home contending himself to die over than lose his sense of self, but his body found by Dr. Wily.
Wily updated Blue’s core to give him a temporary stabilization/life extension in exchange for his services. Blues would later turn on Wily upon realizing what kind of man he was adopting the name Proto Man and is willing to aid Mega Man in battle. However, Proto Man still doesn’t trust Light, and in one arcade game outright refuses treatement from him, still believing that eventual death is better than risking losing his personality.
Linkara: "I got rebooted!"
Imagine if someone at IDW hears that and tries to think up a new cameo.
Knowing IDW and their love of slipping references into conversation? Yep, I expect it
12:09 god that makes me imagine Knuckles having to sign a contract or something and the reveal that his name is something like "Johnathan P. Knuckles Echidna".
Archie would absolutely go there. In that continuity, Sonic's canon name is "Olgilvie Maurice Hedgehog".
What I have a soft spot for when it comes to Mega Man is how for the most part they were able to cobble together a general game timeline:
Classic-X-Zero-ZX-Legends
Well, addendum, Classic-Battle Network-X-Zero-ZX-Legends.
Battle network (and StarForce) appear to be more of a branch in the timeline, where Internet advancement overtook robotics.
@@OmniGundam777 Considering that overall the BN/SF timeline is more optimistic I think that says a lot when it comes to robotics VS the internet.
@@Volvagia1927 Battle Network was to be a splinter timeline if Dr. Light studied Internet tech instead of robotics. That kind of falls apart when X-series characters start showing up, though.
Though due to capcom’s wishy washy staff every Megaman sub series is a possible future to the others in case they one day make games that cannot fit into the timeline proper such as X Command Mission being in the same century as the Zero series (I think opposite ends of the century as Zero is around the latter half of the century being 154+ years later and 200 something years in the future is 25XX)
Despite how it may sound I still freakin love this and love to discuss the timeline and lore
"Dr. Light had a dream of a utopian future where man and machine worked side-by-side."
In the games canon, humans and Reploids (aka the humanoid robots Mega Man and the bosses belong to) ended up intermingling and a few thousand years later, humanity has been bred out of existence, first becoming Humanoids (which are essentially cyborgs) in the ZX games, then fully replaced by Carbons in the Legends timeline. It's also implied that this happened to animal life as well, as all animals that appear in the Mega Man universe, especially from X onwards, are robots.
So, in a way, Dr. Light did achieve his goal... which ended up causing the extinction of humanity.
Another angle to consider is perhaps it was the next step up of existence by transcending humanity
In the time of classic they are just robots however by 21XX there are mechaniloids (how robots without human level independence and mind are classed) and reploids (robots that do have human level independence and mind) post Zero Series equality laws were put into place where humans would be essentially given majority robotic parts to various degrees (there’s mention in that almost entire bodies were stored) meanwhile reploids were given lifespans and presumably other data that allows them human sensations so both would be able to experience the same experiences and fears as each other. Later on Carbons/Decoys in japan would be created presumably by a certain figure in ZX as their description (in Japanese dialogue, translation was weird) seems to match the carbons closely. However treatment of carbons in the future does contradict their purpose of them replacing the current people and inheriting the earth as a perfect human machine hybrid (where they can reproduce like humans but with simple surgery or some other procedure that is simple they can exchange body parts for machine parts with ease and return to the old body parts just as easily)
In the future of legends they’re supposedly used to reconstruct the world’s environment by making it habitable for themselves. They’re given their own history and culture but if a place had too many that area would be wiped out. The aim of Elysium who controls all the ancient machines and ruins on earth is to one day restore pure humans to the world after it is restored. So yeah clearly the ZX figure lost but the conflict involving them devastated the planet leading to the state of Legends (which is apparently 80XX but the only mention of that was Megaman 11 prima guide’s timeline)
"Somehow the Robot Masters were NOT his children, and were thus cut out of the will!"
Oh no, it's the Koopalings all over again!
Well, guess THIS time, Shadow WAS an Android!
Oh wait, Linkara hasn't played Shadow the Hedgehog...And can barely tell the difference between Metal Sonics and Shadow Androids anyway.
What's interesting about the reality shift is it brings megaman's reality up to par with Sonic's in terms of length. A lot of characters hadn't been introduced yet (and since megaman's series got cancelled, never will), and this allows them to show up for the crossover. For instance, at this point in the story protoman was a bad guy, in fact he and MegaMan were fighting when the reality shift happened. Another interesting point is that MegaMan says Dr. Light figured out how to teleport humans, but in the main series they couldn't do that yet, only teleport robots (ala how Megaman's levels start).
You have become doctor who, Linkara 🤣
Why stray from the face that looks?
The Genesis Wave is kinda…confusing but from my understanding, the more emeralds you have the more reality you can alter.
With one Emerald you can alter how some things played out, but history will still play out kinda the same. With all seven, you can alter reality with no limits and mold it to however you wish
That's about it it's not that confusing really.
When Eggman first did it I was basically to reset reality so it would reset Sonic so he would be stopping him but that didn't work out as we all know
The things Eggman and Willy changed:
For Willy, he moved the events of his world to around MegaMan 8(the comic was barely in MegaMan 3 I think)
For Sonic, the world was more accurate to the Games rather than the Archie Comics none of the Archie Comics Characters make an appearance
The comic was going into the Super Adventure Rockman adaptation, and the wave pushed it to after Megaman 10.
Comic was post Megaman 2 where Archie’s adaption of super adventure Rockman took place (around post megaman 5 supposedly in the games) megaman 3 would be set up just after this adaption. The crossover would leave a slight change afterwards where no damage to people or property occurred during the battle that took place… however later on the more time travel aspects seem to have changed as Rockman Shadow seems to be missing in the future vision issue compared to the prelude to (even if never adapted) Megaman II for the gameboy adaption which did seem to show him
Kind of, they removed a lot of the characters that originated Archie, but the Freedom Fighters and other Sonic characters from media still appeared post-reboot.
Wow, Linkara. You amaze me. The entire review and you didn't pull out a joke concerning the _other_ Dr. Light, the one you're more familiar with. Impressive. You just unlocked the No Psycho/Goofball Reference Achievement, man.
8:53 DBZA Bardock: “B.C or A.D?”
“The hell are those?”
@@DWP102589 “I’m in the mother****ing past.”
Ah, I'm so happy to see this. Yes, I am a Megaman geek, and not ashamed to admit it. Yes, I also own most of the Megaman comics, including this crossover.
For the Genesis wave, it's a bit complicated, but it made Sonic's world closer to the games, rather than the Archie's comics, while on the Megaman side, those comics were at Ra Moon's arc, which is nestled between Megaman 2 and 3 timeline wise, but after the wave, brought the timeline to after Megaman 10.
You'll see a lot of hidden details for fans, even some of the more obscure stuff. Like later on, you'll see a trio of robot masters that only appeared in the Genesis compilation game Megaman: The Willy Wars. As for space robots, that would be Megaman V on Gameboy, where he faces off against the Stardroids.
I look forward to more, and I'd be happy to lend a hand with the Megaman content you might not be familiar with. Definitively my niche.
The irony of Shadow being turned into Shadow Man is Wily already had a Shadow Man. He was a ninja.
EDIT: also, TIL Proto Man's real name is Blues.
Much like the origin of Rock and Roll's names, that was Protoman's name in the original Japanese version. Cause music joke.
Also, if you really want to get into obscure lore, one of the alien robots that Megaman fought. Still not sure why they threw that it. More obvious "alien robots" are the evil energy thing from Megaman 8 and the original robots from Megaman V (the Gameboy one.) And whatever else the comics might have thrown in.
@@EmperorSeththe game lore had shadow man mentioned to be made from materials not found on earth. Comics would use that to combine all alien aspects to connect with each other in lore however in game canon that is not established so all aspects of alien technology not from the same game have an unknown connection if any exists at all
They lean into the gag later in the series when the Doctors decide to send "Shadow Man" after Mega Man and Sonic and aren't sure which of the two to send. (So they send both.)
This crossover should be adapted for the movies like the live-actions ones with Sonic, and adapt specially the sequel saga Worlds Unite into a epic movie that would be like Avengers Endgame.
Before there's a crossover, there should be a Mega Man movie...
That somebody deliberately included you in a comic or did they just by coincides draw somebody that looks like you, I can't decide which one is the funniest 😀
They do say that everyone has a doppelganger out there... Nobody said they couldn't be in comics!
Confirmed by the artists at the time that it was deliberate - Evan Stanley even did a cameo for the Sonic Super Special #8 review. =)
@@AT4W okay that's funny - thank you for answering.
Someday somewhere somebody is going to make Lewis review Archie STH #47-50 and I hope I live long enough to see it.
I would love to see him look at Archie STH #124-125.
@@avremirine8986 That too and #130-134 (ESPECIALLY 134)
13:15 you say that but in one game (Mega Man & Bass) Proto Man gets sliced in half and says depending on the translation “I’m fine” or “it’s just a scratch”
When you get to episode 999, you should make a new "Top 15 things I will never review...and this time I mean it"
I thought it was a good move to make Linkara *as* big as The Bee Gees in the reboot. Good way to power scale without going into Gary Stu territory
"If I somehow hot the detail about it being earth of the future wrong, don't nlame me..."
17:05 This is funny given the existence of things like Dark Gaia who split apart the world into chunks after Eggman woke it up in Unleashed. And the Lost Hex (Yes. I know Lost World didn't come out until about 6 months after the first issue of this crossover. But still)
24:03 The Genesis Wave in this first act of the crossover was essentially an excuse to set the continuity of the crossover to align with the game canon of both franchises, which is why it they didn't fully explain *why* they did that.
From that point instead of their Archie continuities, you have:
- Sonic from post Sonic Generations (so no comic/cartoon characters such as Sally Acorn)
- Mega Man from post Mega Man 10 (all games were canon to the Archie continuity, so it was basically a fast-forward from before Mega Man 3)
yeah it was mostly just a way they could have characters like auto and bass be in the crossover, and have protoman be more heroic than what he was during the series
0:37 That actually gets referenced in the Archie comic, there's an anti-robot terrorist organization called Emerald Spears, the second leader of which has a role in the second crossover, Worlds Unite.
YAY for the Blue Crew!
This is a real fun surprise on my feed. I'm glad you enjoyed the first act of this crossover. And I hope you enjoy the rest of it if you ever get a chance to review it
Well it could be worse in the trailer to announce this comic they could of made Sonic CGI and make him look creepy and upsetting until fans see the trailer for this comic and demand for it to be change which they do but not before Ken Penders tries to sue them
I'm just astonished that with the character's names, we never got a "Batman hates Rock and Roll" joke.
This is easily the most excited I've ever been for a review on this show! This comic was basically my Technis Imperative and got me into Megaman's franchise. After having had to deal with an earache for several days, this was just the pick me up I needed.
17:58 Blues was also created by Doctor Light. He ran away after various circumstances and, when he eventually came home, thought he was replaced by Rock and Roll. While the timeline shift has made him more calmer, he still has some hang ups with Doctor Light as a result.
The Genesis Wave, basically, the wave rewrote both realities to push them to be far more like the game universes. Megaman's world was basically already adapting the games, so it just got pushed forward to after Megaman 10. Sonic's world got more rewritten to be like the games, sliding it to after Generations. It basically excised most of the non-game characters for sake of simplicity.
Now I'm just imagining Pollo having an irrational fear of Sonic the Hedgehog
The genesis wave wipped out a number of Sonic characters (most of the central supporting cast) and made the Mega Man world experience a timeskip.
We can agree archie megaman is the best version of megaman
I almost forgot Sonic made a crossover with Megaman a while ago.
There are 2 actually. The second one kinda got screwed over by Archie losing the Sonic license.
@@Ice-Climber At least IDW saved the Sonic comic's ass.
In fairness, the crossover is turning eleven this year.
@Ice-Climber And the second one adds in Mega Man X, Sticks from Sonic Boom, and a whole bunch of other Sega and Capcom franchises such as Street Fighter, Golden Axe, Skies of Arcadia, and Viewtiful Joe.
The Genesis Wave did different things in the two different worlds. On Mega Man's side, all it did was shift things further along in the timeline past the events of Mega Man 10 (the comics had not even gotten up to the events of Mega Man 3 at this point). On Sonic's side, this was actually the second Genesis Wave, as Eggman had done a similar one in an earlier event comic at this point. The Wave basically changed Sonic's World so it was an exact match for the Sonic games' continuity, getting rid of any SatAM or comic exclusive characters. I'm not sure what advantage this changed world gave Eggman or Wily, but in the context of the real world it was done so any reader unfamiliar with Sonic or Mega Man's comics at that point could still enjoy the crossover. This was an element that the second crossover, Worlds Unite, lacked.
No, SatAM characters were still there, I remember Sally and Antoine being there.
But their relationship was reset, as if it had been the first issue with no cartoon before it.
Also, Sonic OVA Eggman
@@masteryoraerasanteYou misunderstand my meaning. During the Worlds Collide crossover, the Genesis Wave changed Sonic's World to match the games' continuity. No comic or cartoon exclusive characters actually show up in the crossover proper. After the crossover ended, Eggman's interference in Sonic's Chaos Control caused the universe's reboot (the new-252) which brought back the SatAM characters and some of the Ian Flynn-created characters, but rebooted how most events happened, erasing all Penders/Bollers/Gallagher-created characters.
Sonic OVA Eggman only showed up in issue 101 of Archie Sonic, when Green Knuckles rewrote reality briefly. That wasn't caused by the Genesis Wave. SatAM characters showed up in that altered reality as well.
The First Genesis Wave was in Sonic: Genesis, an event comic between Sonic #225-230. That basically rewrote the universe to tell the events of Sonic 1 and 2, but the SatAM characters were still there. It got undone at the end of the event.
@@jackboles7442 ah, I see. Your previous comment seemed like it was talking about the first wave, not this one
There is a cameo of Snively so the characters may exist but not closely tied to sonic so it’s possible the choice was to keep sonic away from most of his friends only keeping a few who were too close for one emerald to change
@@Xeno-The-WandererSnively was only there because he was a prisoner onboard the Wily Egg when Eggman launched the wave, so he was protected from the changes for the crossover, but not for the later reboot.
It was disappointing that this crossover was limited to only game characters and didn't feature any comic cast from either book. At least the 2nd crossover amended that.
7:00 Ra Moon and Super Adventure Rockman are... kind of weird. Initially, the game was set sometime after Mega Man 3 where Wily was trying to redeem himself and Dr. Light was helping him, until Wily ended up finding Ra Moon while searching for the cause of an electromagnetic wave that was screwing with robots all across the world. Moon then revived the Mega Man 2 and 3 Robot Masters and Wily turned evil again. In the comics, the events of the game were set between 2 and 3 and used to explain the Mega Man 3 Robot Masters.
6:51 so based on the voices, Wily is Commander Kruge and Eggman is… King from the Royal Flush Gang?
Wily I'm leaning more towards John Astin in Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, Eggman I'm going for Robotnik from Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog.
@@AT4W ahhh, makes sense
21:33 This is hilarious to me considering something that happened later in his comic. Let's just say it turns out the first law of robotics is not only its own loophole but _also_ a loophole to the third law's " does not conflict with the First or Second Law." clause. Also if his three laws programming applies to all life rather than just humanity.. SONIC'S FRIENDS ARE BEING HARMED! THE FIRST LAW NULLIFIES ITSELF IN THIS SITUATION!
12:10 Tails is a nickname, his real name is Miles Prower. (Which is a pretty dumb pun considering he is not as fast as Sonic is.) (Also I'm pretty sure Bee is actually Charmy's last name as he doesn't have a "the" in his name.)
There was no such consistency and Shadow and Knuckles do not have any other names. Heck, Shadow isn't even Shadow's name, it was the name of the research project that created him as an artificial life ultimate form. Also the Biolizard is his prototype and technically his sibling. Also I guess Gerald and Black Doom are kind of his dads so _technically_ his last name is Robotnik-Doom or Doom-Robotnik but this isn't canon or official.
5:47 very disappointed by the lack of “OF COURSE”
You probably thought the crossover ship from this would be TailsXRoll, but it was THEM, SkullEgg!
24:02 To answer your questions about the Genesis Wave, it was something Eggman had used prior to this crossover to rewrite reality into a more Classic Sonic style world for the 20th anniversary miniseries called Sonic Genesis, which was undone by the end of the miniseries. And now in this Crossover it’s being used rewrite reality again, only now it’s to have both series match with where things were at with the current games at the time, since Archie Sonic’s story was wildly different than the main game continuity and the Mega Man comic, while a closer match to the games, hadn’t caught up with the current games at the time. So now the writers don’t have to worry about the comic continuities not matching the game continuities and just focus on a crossover between the game versions of Sonic and Mega Man. So yeah, that’s pretty much the gist of the Genesis Wave and what it did, if that makes any sense.
First off, oddly the reason why Mega Man and Sonic spend so much of the crossover fighting each other was because it was an edict from both SEGA and Capcom to Archie.
Anyway, I'm not surprised that someone who focuses on comics doesn't really know much about Mega Man. Despite being around since the 80's, this was his first American comics series and it ended as soon as the license ran out. Copyright reasons made his characters inaccessible for Valiant's short lived Captain N the Game Masters comic, where he was present in the cartoon version. The only other American Mega Man comic wouldn't be until years later, where Boom published a tie-in finale to the Mega Man Fully Charged cartoon (which was basically a Ben 10 cartoon with Mega Man characters, so you weren't wrong there). While we did get some of the Japanese published Rockman manga (especially NT Warrior's Coro Coro comics adaption), that was a relatively short lived venture as well.
I always wondered if Patreon sponsoring the Dreamwave Mega Man comics would have been worthwhile, since I wasn't sure if you were a Mega Man fan or not. Now I have my answer. XD
That said, I strongly encourage checking out the Archie Mega Man run in general, as it's really good stuff, and there's only 55 issues (plus the crossovers here and in Worlds Unite). Might even be worthy of a short retrospective someday...? I dunno, it just always struck me as the sort of thing you'd like. =)
I'd love to see you cover the rest of the comic, it's really good.
As for what the Genesis Wave did for both universes, Sonic's was changed to be more like the game (and also retroactively, the IDW) continuity, and Mega Man's was time-shifted to be sometime after the events of Mega Man 10.
Sonic was one to talk about a robot calling a living being dad. His father was a robot, until the Penders incident retconned him into nonexistence.
He was robotized and had to stay like that, even after regaining his free will.
Never forget how Jules (Sonic's Dad) stared down a rampaging Scourge (Evil Sonic). Jules may lack his son's super speed but he was a soldier, and he refused to be cowed by some boy throwing a tantrum.
@@Future_Vantas Not so much rampaging, but rather stooping so low to sneaking in at night to get a jump on Sonic Prime.
Scourge only backed down when Jules pointed out how unfathomably PISSED Sonic would be if Scourge did anything to him.
Still, my favorite Jules moment.
That’s not really the same thing since his dad was a normal hedgehog that was turned into a robot whereas Megaman is a robot calling a human his father.
@@skyslasher2297 it kinda is. Jules was robotocized when Sonic was barely a toddler. And was reunited with Sonic when he was already a teenager. Sonic may know his dad was once a flesh and blood Mobian, but he only remembers his dad as the Robian he was until the reboot.
A late birthday gift, but i accept it a lot
I still remember the "Top Reasons why Linkara will never review these type of comics" and obviously the one standing up is Sonic... and I'm glad Patreons prove that they will get what they want and so will we!
I still can't believe the solution to fixing the lawsue of losing so many Sonic characters was to do this crossover. Gotta admit... it's rather brilliant!
you know you have made it when you can be some one's easter egg
Anybody remember that really old death battle video between dr. Wily and dr eggman? ua-cam.com/video/qitt0AsCSYQ/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Linkara needs to do more Megaman comics he seems to bring his A Game.
"Worried about getting stuff wrong..." Hey, guy knew what Ra Moon was. That is a deep cut.
tbf, that depends considering Ra Moon played an actual bigger part in "Megaman: Star Force", so its only obscure for classics continuity.
@@EnerKaizerwell that’s a different thing under a different name but possibly the BN universes incarnation of Ra Moon, not confirmed though
Oh my God you appear in The Sonic the hedgehog and Littlest Pet Shop comics that's way different than seeing Nostalgia Critic and Angry Video Game Nerd and an anime. LOL
This crossover is what got me into MegaMan!
Adding a very very strong recommendation for the Mega Man comic. Its such a great love letter to the Classic series and has really great characterization. Love how they emphasize Rock's conflict over constant fighting and Blue's feeling of being replaced.
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Agreed, real shame that it ended so soon.
Technically Sonic's world isn't called Mobius anymore at this point in the comic due to Sega mandates that the world can't have a name at all.
EDIT: additionally the whole idea of Mobius being future Earth was a Penders creation, and thus 1 of the things that had to be scrubbed from the comic post lawsuit. It wasn't just characters that were banned but whole ideas and plot threads that had to go as well.
Ken had nothing to do with Mobius being a distant future Earth. Karl Bollers was the writer of that issue (#124) and it was a Sega mandated change.
Furthermore Ben Hurst, the story editor for SATAM, had apparently always planned to reveal that in a future season of the show if it hadn't been cancelled. The difference being it would have been the result of a thermonuclear conflict and not an outside alien race like the Xorda.
*Rock and Roll*
Omg I only just got that reference!
I love megaman and sonic crossover comic it was really awesome and badass story and tons of fun.
Not only a version of you showing up in the Sonic Universe, but also a version of Viga. Nice to know that there's at least one universe where you two are a couple ❤.
11:22 Oh, Pollo, you're so salty about your new bodies.
26:05 You *still* want arms? Sheesh.
Will next time show Youngblood finally getting good?
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God the Archie Mega Man comics were so great.
Crossover time 🥳
I'm always shocked when sonic stuff tries to use silver. You'd think they'd want to forget 06 entirely.
Why waste a good idea?
14:01 Wait, does NICHOLE not have a communicator function?
10:00 That rice-cooker met looks so sad :(
The 3M joke made this Minnesotan happy.
Who's here hyped for Sonic 3?
Yes❤
I really hope they call it sonic 3 and knuckles
I still think they should have waited another movie for the Shadow era characters and added Amy and Metal Sonic for the 3rd film, but I realize they're prioritizing the most popular characters.
I know this may be a stretch to mention. But there was a comic/visual novel made based around an old MTV show from December 19, 1994 to about February or March of 1996 that has lately been getting some rounds and a bit of a following. And it is called MTV's The Head - A Legend Is Born.
The odd part of that series, MTV's The Head, was how the creator of that show would later go on to make one of my favorites from MTV in 1998 to 2002, and would get a comeback on MTV2 from 2006 to 2007. And his other show would be Celebrity Deathmatch. He did do other stuff after that. One of which was 2009's Glenn Martin DDS from Nick at Nite.
But yeah, from what I can tell, the novel took place after the final episode aired in 1996, and the rest of the story would be told book form. I know the novel is available on a certain "archive", and seeing as though(as of this post in March of 2024), its approaching its 30th year anniversary since it was ever aired on MTV. That would be one to take a deep dive in.
One other thing, the block it aired on(namely MTV's Oddities) also had another show based around one of my favorite comic book characters from Image Comics. And that show being The Maxx(which I guess everyone by now knows of from either the comic or the show). But yeah, its worth a read. Check it out when you can.
this crossover is bittersweet to me. on one hand, it’s a crossover i feel makes a lot of sense (games where a blue protagonist fights mad roboticist to save the world, and there’s like 15 billion versions thanks to spinoffs and adaptations). on the other, it was just a distraction to reboot the sonic comics a second time (THANKS KEN PENDERS YOU [insert civvie 11 randy nickname here])
Just a yes or no question, but would you be willing to review the comic "The New Adventures of MegaMan" also called "MegaMan (Brazil)" or is that outside your pay grade? As it was never officially translated to English.
The comic is well known for being the worst licensed comic based on a video game and is being best known for, do to people passing the buck repeatedly, Capcom accidentally hiring a guy who hates comic books and videogames to make a comic book about a videogame.
The theory for how the comic was made was a Brazilian comic company was intended to be hired to translate a manga from Japanese to Spanish, but the contract was mistranslated and let the company make their own comic.
So they did, poorly.
The Genesis Wave is a glorified plot device.
In then current continuity, Mega Man hadn't even done its Mega Man 3 adaptation yet, while Archie Sonic was so detached from the games it might as well be a different series.
What the Genesis Wave did was basically temporarily switch out the comic versions of each world with the game version. That way Mega Man has all 10 main games under his belt, while Sonic is more recognizable to non-comic readers.
The sequel, Worlds Unite, didn't use the Genesis Wave and instead used the existing comic versions, meaning the Freedom Fighters actually make an appearance
I had seen the covers where Wily and Eggman seem incredibly chummy and thought it was nice they were having fun with the concept. I hadn't seen the parts where they meet up and go "No you hang up", "nooo silly~, youu hang up~" "oooh stawp darling, youuu hang up~" And let me tell you- I adore it. I also see in some comments that they then have a falling out which, you know, egos like that, it was inevitable, but I am still kind of sad to see it happen. I have known this villainous team-up for less than 30 minutes, and I'm already ready to die for them.
Dr. Robotnik and Dr. Wily being BFFs is one of those things I did not know I wanted until I got it
Eddie is the best megaman sidekick HE IS I DON'T CARE HE IS THE BEST HE LITTERLY HAS AN EVIL VERSION IN 11 AND I OWE HIM A LOT OF LEVELS DAMN IT
The Genesis wave basically re-wrote both realities to be basically just the game universes.
On Sonic's side, it removed every character that didn't come from the games, so all the characters made for the comic, or from a cartoon that the comic adopted don't appear (it also removed the ongoing storyline that got dropped due to the reboot at the end of this).
On Megaman's side, the comic was going through all the games and adapting them one by one, this pushed to to take place after Megaman 10 (maybe 11? Can't remember when that came out) so they could use more characters that hadn't appeared yet. Also removed all the characters created for the comic.
I assume all of this was done to make the crossover accessible to people who had only played the games and not read the comics.
Given how lacking in content Youngblood tends to be, I have hope that you’ll still be able to make the review on time. Best of luck, Linkara! 👍
From what I know the Genesis wave was basically to bring the mega man story to its post-10 status quo since the story at the time was still building up to the mega man 3 storyline. The sonic side of things is most likely related to the lawsuit.
25:42 No, you got it right, though you left out the part where the lovecraftian aliens called Xorda used gene bombs to devolve humans while also accidentally evolving animals into mobians. Though thousands of years had passed since then and the devolved humanity mostly evolved into the four fingered and toed overlanders. Far fewer actual humans evolved back normally, having lived in isolation in Station Square.
& how the Xorda still held a grudge against Earthlings after all these millennia. Like, I know humans vivisected their ambassadors, but at this point they're just being petty.
@@simbasorariku3Yea that part's not really relevant to this crossover though.
From what I remember, the Genesis Wave, on Mega Mans side, moved the time line up. The comics had only covered up until Mega Man 3 I believe, and the Wave moved the time line up past Mega Man 10.
Since Mega Man games tend to end on a "every thing goes back to the status status quo" kind of story, there wouldn't many noticeable changes unless you know the lore.
This is mainly to give Wily access to Bass (who didn't get introduced until Mega Man 7) and access to other stuff that would be a spoiler for either this crossover or the next one.
Also it allows Proto Man to be an ally since at this point in the comic he was an antagonist who would eventually switch sides. Actually I think he had just met Mega Man face to face for the first time when reality got twisted.
So basically it felt more like the writers trying to justify getting all the Mega Man characters that haven't been introduced yet to show up for this.
As for Sonics side... I have no idea. I didn't read Sonic comics.
To explain what happened with the Genesis Wave, basically it was used to reset each continuity to something more basic and more in line with the actual games, removing any comic original locations and characters.
With these integrated circuits, I shall build my own group of Robot Masters, the Combaticon Men, and finally, I SHALL RULE THE DECEPTICONS
Give it time, eventually Linkara will probably show up in a Transformers comic and I am down for that.
You know a Sonic/Mega Man crossover comic strangely makes a lot of sense when you consider that both franchises main baddies are scientists trying to take over the world with an army of robots 😅 6:48
21:33 in fact the pause button is the most powerful tool in the first Megaman.
in a nutshell, the Genesis wave took the characters out of the comic continuity and made them more in line with their Game versions. Since the MegaMan Comics hadnt gotten past 3 by that point.
Mega man was the original Ben Ten..... actually yeah that checks.