Ultimate Commuting Showdown! e-bike vs e-scooter vs esk8
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2018
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1000 W electric bicycle kit: goo.gl/GFsH5N
48V lithium-ion battery with rack: goo.gl/hyXzLT
48V 14.5 Ah Hailong (shark) battery: goo.gl/jg429Z
36V 11 Ah bottle battery: goo.gl/Snja5H
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BMSs: goo.gl/S6gSQx
Silicone wire: goo.gl/xmpbKD
Black 18650 cell spacers: goo.gl/hQxWF6
Vruzend cell spacers: goo.gl/5ReLqA
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Interesting experiment. I’ve been bike commuting for the last year or so. Initially, I commuted on a regular bike and averaged about 13 mph on a four mile commute. A couple of months ago I converted my bike to a 36V 500W e-bike and my average speed over the same commute is about 17 mph. If i pedal hard, the speed tops out at about 25 mph. It makes the commute a lot more fun. It’s definitely a good way to get around.
I don't even ride an e-bike - just a normal bike and I average over 18kph on my commute. (and I have HILLS) I recently went through a whole "I MUST BUY A SCOOTER" phase but in the end, I decided my normal non electric bike is actually the best commute for me. Firstly the comfort and stability of the bike just beats a scooter hand downs for safety. I can carry 20 or 30 kgs in my panniers if I need to. In my city it's illegal to ride e-scooters on the road - riding footpaths all the way to my work would be torturously slow and actually kind of dangerous on a scooter due to the uneven paths and inattentive pedestrians looking at their phones while they walk. Plus we get sudden and super crazy rain in the summer here - I haven't found an e-scooter that can cope with that kind of rain and deep puddles but I can ride through just about anything on my non-electric bike. Also some of these e-scooters are pretty heavy and are almost as big as a bike anyway. One that I liked was around 20kgs - well, my bike is maybe 8 or so kgs and easy to carry up/down stairs if I need to. Finally, commuting by a normal bike, I get some fantastic cardio exercise that just can't be beat - saves me money AND I don't need to pay more for a gym since I am doing a solid one hour workout every day. (Ps my work has amazing end of trip facilities so that makes a big difference too...showers, towels and lockers....) so... I guess I will stick to my bike!
Hi Micah,
I can't believe I won!!!! Awesome!!!! Thank you!!!!
Will send PM next! Thanks again! :)
-Duane
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Built my first battery 2 days ago using a sunkko 788h, it was only a NiMH hump pack for an rc car but was a good practice run for my next project... Converting my Specialized mountain bike to an ebike...
Your videos have and will be invaluable during this new build... Great motivational video for me, thanks so much and keep up the great work. Dave
Great Video! And I bought your battery book which is very insightful and super helpful for a beginner! Keep up the good work 😁
Subscribed. You have a great method of teaching and after watching your earlier videos I made the leap and built a ebike of my own. I went cheap on the batteries just to see if I would actually use it on a routine basis and I'm happy to say it's time to build a battery pack for the bike. Thanks for all you do. Keep it up!
Just found your channel. You rock! I have been trying to get my head wrapped around this for years. Thank you
i simply love all your videos! i have the twin 800w Kerry motors escooter and my brother has the juiced scorpion and we constantly talk about your channel. Nice work.
Yo Micah! I got your DIY Battery and its great! Im currently reading it and making a 52 V battery for my 1000 W kit.
My 350W past kit died but now im putting a lot of effort on that project! Keep it going bro
This is one vey good comparison. Thanks for your time and effort. Oh, yeah, I love your videos.
Thank you for your comprehensive and clear analysis for various vehicles.
That little kick scooter and longboard is still something I need to try, looks fun though!
Thanks to the e-craze nowadays, regular bikes go for really cheap. I got a brand new roadbike for 180 bucks. Yay!
Cool video, I like that you showed a graph for the differences in total commute time. Would be interesting to also see how much avg watt hours/km each of the EV's was consuming for efficiency comparison. Keep up the videos I love your channel!
This is your best video so far, I enjoyed every minute of it. My book choice would be 'The Ultimate Do It Yourself EBike Guide'
Another good video, I'm making my battery now :) thanks for all the video help!
Great video, and I love my DIY e-bike 1000w from 2011. All best from Croatia!
Your videos are always awesome 👍
great video Micah! looked like a fun way to spend a week getting to work. =)
Great video. Keep them coming
1kw E bike, definatly, mainly for safety feeling!!! 😉
awesome comparison. thank you for these great information...
Very informative. I'm learning a lot.
Thanks for the comparisons..
Great video!!!
Cheers for doing a test like this.
Good test and I was kind of hoping for that outcome.
Hey Micah I hope you're not having too much stress moving
-Can you recommend anything to make sure the nuts on Vruzend (2.0) dont get loose?
They aren't lock nuts as far as i know and on my E-board the vibrations are real..
Thanks for the help
Mate nice review you are amazing!
Thanks for the videos!
Nice video keep up the good work.
I'm impressed that the e-bikes were so much faster than a taxi.
Hey mike love your videos !
You should make a video showing the difference of using a front Hub motor against a rear hub motor and against a Mid drive and it’s advantages and disadvantages!
Love the vids!
I have been watching this with interest I was wondering about hills as live in a rural hilly area would an ebike be the best way to go for a middle aged person. thanks
Great video.
Thanks for share your experience. I think I gonna build a foldable electric bike soon. Cheers.
Great video
Nice video! I'd like to see if there's any significant difference on the acceleration from 0 on a mid-drive vs rear hub drive of the same power.
Great test ! But I have a question , I need to connect 8 motors to either one or two lithium batteries , can u tell what is the safest way of doing that ? And how do we calculate the number of hours that our battery system can last till it gets discharged ?
If you do the error calculation properly using standard deviation, your error is actually only about 3.2 percent. That means that the folding eBike and the eSk8 are statistically faster than the eScooter. However, the esk8 and folding ebike are within error bars still.
Thank you for sharing. In terms of the kilowatts used, would it be a good assumption that the e-bike was the most efficient due to less drag-better leg assist? Dreaming of clean air....
Loved the comment about eating through a straw. That was funny.
Cool vid thanks!
Hi video's help a lot learning about ebikes and batteries
Nice again a very good video 😊😊
Hoping to get my kit this week and start building my battery!
how important are the brake levers that come with the ebike kit? I know they cut off power to the motor, but is that really necessary if I'm not pressing the throttle while I break?
Ashwin Ramdas not as important if you use throttle more important for pedal assistance set up. Also it controls regen. I would not recommend not using it. Especially when you can buy a conversion kit and keep the original brake handles. (levers refer to the part that holds the break pads)
Hey Micah,
I've never built an e-bike and so I want some help with a really good PAS:
If I'd like a bracket torque sensor - how do I mount it on my bike if I had the cycle analyst V3, front and rear motors and two controllers like on your bike? What parameters should I be aware of when buying a torque sensor to make sure it will be compatible with all the electronics?
BTW: I bought your ultimate DIY ebike, I'm just in the half.
Hi Micah. I know it's unrelated to the video but I had a question. I have a 48v 250w scooter. I was having problems so took the battery pack apart and tested. It was showing 3.9-4.0v of 60 cells but the row of 5 nearest the BMS were showing 0v. The question I have is 3.9 - 4.0v sufficient in a charged state, why would the first 5 batteries be dead as a dodo when they're all original cells and lastly if I break the pack down and rebuild using a vruzend kit do I need to match the exact cell or will any 2500mah 18650 do. Actually one last question(sorry but your the most knowledgeable person I can find on the subject) if I plug the 48v charger in, is there a cross reference anywhere I can use to check my BMS output or is it BMS dependant? Many thanks and keep up the good work.
Question: can a 36v speed controller run a bike wheel intended for a different voltage say a 48v wheel?
Hello. I like your videos and you rock. I was wanting to build a skate board with the 6 1/2 hover board wheels. I was wondering if you thought that would be a good idea since traditionally they run a lot slower in the hover board configuration.
Hey Mike
Can you help me increase my 500v motor's speed. I'm sure 500v is capable to go 28mph but its limited to go only 20 mph. I don't know if it's the controller or it's programmable?
Hey Micah.. which one would be better for an ebike- front wheel drive, rear wheel drive or a mid drive(supposed to be a 350watt motor)...?Nice informative videos bdw...
Great comparison Micah
Love the videos.
Great Video. I turned my 35-40 minute commute in traffic (8km) into a 15-17 minute bike ride with a 1500 watt e- bike.
Good information.
I was wondering about which would be optimal. Thanks for the info.....
Hi,
i just have a simple question which may be silly but still wants to know. i want to build my own battery pack of 10s6p 36v 20.1Ah from Panasonic 3400mAh cells. now as suggested by you website liitokala cells Panasonic with protection board and without it. so my question is which one is better to use in battery pack with protection board or without. of course i will be using bms in both cases.
Do brushless geared hubmotors which don't support regen braking act as an ebrake when needed but coast freely when not powered? Would it be possible to power them (hack) to make them want to stop instead of spin?
I have an ebike and an electric scooter. The bike gives me more confidence and comfort at about 25 mph. On the other hand, the scooter runs at 50 mph and gives me a lot of adrenaline and speed. Even so, I prefer the bicycle because it never leaves me at my feet!
I wish you can feature a 3-wheeler ebike next time.I'm a new subscriber! 🤘
Thats not surprising at all ive noticed significant savings in time when im commuting using my 1000w ebike. I used to taxi it to work as buses am to slow and i can safely say im now saving money and getting home faster as i can pass traffic with ease good to see vids like this
Cool comparison
Hi Micah. Re smallest: First electric two wheeler was a scoot that folded. Into a sports equipment bag. It flew w/me on a trip and the airlines declared it as "too small" to charge as a bike... so it flew with me no charge as luggage. :) Cheers from Canada
I enjoy your videos
Hey Micah,
I love your videos and you inspire to this day to make an electric bike! Because I don't have lots of money to spend on this project, I am finding a couple major issues with the items such as batteries and a kit. Is there any way I could have a chat with you either over phone or skype, or email you anywhere? Thanks!
I have the Xiaomi M365 and what's nice about it is after you arrive at you destination (possibly office) it's easy to bring along with you inside so that you don't have to worry about theft. The booster boards look like fun but not enough control when stopping or when riding if you should hit a little rock or twig (from my skateboard experience) the board will stop immediately ejecting you in a not so fun way.
Which brand names or modules of lithium battery which are common use in electric vehicles?
Nicely done! Even with the Ali Express camera.
Keep it up ☺️
Intresting video!! :D
I Drive 800W scooter by Qiewa here in Taiwan, it is so much fun to drive as it has seat as well... very comfortable to ride.
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This would have to be one of the best channels on UA-cam, I always like that your continuously giving valuable information to your subscriber's and viewers. I believe that the 1000w bicycle would win every time unless there were multiple locations that you would have to stop by within a short distance. With that being said, you would have to take the time to lock up the bicycles vs take the board or scooter inside with you, saving time and worries of your bicycle being stolen. I can't wait to build an electric bmx bicycle with one of your books. By the way, does the electric bicycle book include the information to DIY lithium batteries? And could you put a solar panel on the bicycle to charge the battery while you ride? Thanks and keep up the good and hard work.
Hi, would you make a video on how to build a 36v 13S 6P 18650 battery pack inside an aluminun box? Thanks Bajacharly
A good test. I'm guessing that a 1000Watt ebike is the sweet spot for commuting in a city environment, a 2000watt I don't think you would get to use the power in a city environment. Great video keep up the awesome vids
Hey Micah,
This is a great test. Very interesting. It's funny that the taxi was the slowest. Your dog is beautiful.
-Duane
Cool, Thanks!
I would love to show us in detail how to make your two wheeler bike with the 36 volt motors and control units and the rest of the gear on ur bike and where it can be sourced here in the uk so I can build one . So what do u think. Cheers
hi could you make a 18650 capacity testing video?
Hi Micah how about making a battery pack using recycled batteries?
Confirms my experience too with a 1.5kW ebike - it's the fastest, cheapest and cleanest way to get from almost anywhere to anywhere in a city.
Hey Ebikeschool
Because of you i have a 1000w 48v Ebike that I Made myself Thank you
I was greatly oriented by your videos to make my own ebike, wich I allredy did, it's working with some cable arrangements to finnish. I would like to know it the tires that came on the kits that you used on your 1000w bike are as crapy as mine? Had bad grip with a couple of scares with it. The disk that comes with it, doesn't inspire much confidence too. Keep up the good and interesting videos!
My motor driven wheel was going thru one to two tire a year, that was with a front wheel drive. I now have rear wheel drive and don't go thru as much. When buying tires look for a hard rubber based tire.
Hi Mike
I had this doubt that in one of your videos, you glued all li-ion cells to make battery pack. But isn't it hard to replace a worn-out battery?
How do you do that? Because while doing that, other cells may damaged.
I bought my first battery pack from VPower and that's what they did. It was a pain in the a$$, ripping off the plastic sheathing and a short hear and there.. When I built my own I used either masking tape and/or Velcro to hold them together. If you are taking one apart use a sharpened wooden or plastic dowel to wedge them apart and to prevent shorting out the 2 battery parallels.
Thank you!
Good video, useful info, thanks! What are you doing in Tel Aviv? Must be hotter than hell in summer. Lovely city, so much history. Can you work there easily as an American?
Would be good to know how these compare with the noise these make during commute, that is the sound one would be hearing all the time. I have 750w directdrive conversion bicycle, which just making slightly hearable high pitch noise under full load. Which is not a problem with helmet put on underhelmet hat. Also would be good to mention wind noise in correlation to speed. More speed is lot of fun but noise could be a big disturbance. Even to hear traffic arround
Nice commute. Now tell me which one is better in rain :p
I wonder how this would compare to using a high speed EUC or electric unicycle like the gotway monster X.
It would be amazing if cities planned scooters and such into their future road building. I can see how much easier they are but you can’t bring home that much with them and it would be tough to store it when out and about for extended periods
I'm a little surprised that the power difference between the first three didn't really affect the outcome all that much.
I have read many articles about the isues with the high output from regenerative breaking, and the relative inefficiency of 18650 cell acceping that charge quickly. UA-cam University also taught me a bit about Super Capacitors, and how effective they are in that same regenerative breaking scenario.
Is it difficult to adapt SuperCaps into an e-bike battery system? Is the gain in efficiency, woth the extra weight and/or expense? I would like to hear your comments about using Super Capacitors this way.
That is a great comparison for ecommute =)
I do a similar commute (with almost the same distance 5.2km) using my standard bike in 10min. Why go electric for such an easy route when we can reach 30+km/h without breaking a sweat?
I see batteries that 2500mah but have 20a capacity. can you explain this???
cool video.
Can you mix different max amp output battery's.
How does standing on the escooter compare to a ebike? Is standing too much not comfortable? Is a seat enough to justify ebike purchase?
I liked the 250w because i have one too, although the 1000w bike has to be way more fun!