@@flamestoyershadowkill PS2 and PS3 can officially run it, PS4 only thanks to the community. I'm sure in a few years, the same will happen to the PS5. Linux is inevitable. Also, I remember PlayStation being FreeBSD based?
@@WaylandGaming Yes. So maybe they could have tiny devils on the ice instead. It would go well with a popular nickname for the arctic regions after all.. ;)
The PSVR 2 uses eye tracking to determine what areas of the screen can be rendered at a lower resolution. Basically, it's always rendering the highest resolution wherever you are looking. Everything in the periphery can be blurry and you won't notice.
@@BenState Not everyone has the same vision, some ppl can see and feel differences you may not. I hope you still do not believe that 30fps is more than the human eye can see?
Huh, I guess you aren't in the RC hobby. Most RC unboxings include the smello-vision attachment (a USB cord plugs up your nose) because tires smell delicious.
Or bowling. Storm balls come with different scents, everything from cotton candy to cinnamon. Motiv balls smell like an entire chemical factory, especially when drilling the finger holes.
wtf u talking about? theyre 460 bucks new now, so even cheaper then normal ps5 pürice. it was never meant to be 699, nobody payed that much. it 469 new, the ps5 pro.
I got one. I love it way more than the base ps5. I have the best tv on the market so the pro really takes advantage of my tv. I know your little 200 dollar tv won't show any difference so I understand why you're a hater.
I actually really appreciate how well you blend the comedy into comparisons like this. This is the kind of content i would look for if I were deciding to buy things. Seeing the side by side, in motion and screenshots is also a huge help.
the penguins in the kayaking one are skeletal meshes, which means they take more memory bandwidth overall than a static mesh, therefore the pro can support more of them.
@blunderingfool still more costly than a static mesh that doesn't have bones or animation. Even vertex animation in the end is turned into a skeletal mesh as far as the engine is concerned. I've been a game dev for 15 years specializing in rigging and animation, fwiw.
Only problem with PS5 Pro is its ridiculous price. In Australia, thanks to Black Friday deals you can find a PS5 digital for about 500 AUD (tax included) On the other hand PS5 Pro here is 1200 AUD. So instead of buying a PS5 Pro you can buy 2,4 PS5 Digital editions. It is just ridiculous as I said.
Something to consider, on PCVR, the gameplay you see on your monitor and the resolution sent to the headset are not linked in any way. This is because outputting two separate windows of your game causes extra strain on your GPU. I would wager that Sony could have increased the rendered resolution in the headset while leaving the TVs resolutions the same. That could explain the better quality you see in the headset, but little to no change in your recording
the reason vr games tend to not look as nice as flatscreen games is because the screen is right up against your face. the pixel density per degree of vision is an extreme amount lower, resulting in a lower resolution image compared to even a similar resolution flat screen display. the lenses also interfere with colour and can glare like you would see on your glasses (if you didnt get an anti glare coating). the lenses in the psvr2 have an internal coating that applies a slight blur to everything in order to hide the screen door effect better.
There's also the fact that everything has to be rendered twice, once per eye, and at no less than 90fps to keep you from feeling sick. Some use frame reprojecttion while rendering internally at 60fps, though.
@@drober8588 I dont remember seeing it but I wasn't looking for it and my glasses didnt quite fit inside the Quest 3 nicely and I didn't want to scratch either of them trying to force it. I can see the sde in my quest pro but it's barely noticable to me unless I put my glasses on and even then it requires me trying to see it to see it. the quest 3 shouldn't be too different in that regard.
GT7 on PSVR2 is my absolute favorite VR game, and the pro makes it even better...better framerates and much clearer! 🤩 Only thing is that the discdrive isn't available here for normal prices atm..
Not sure how people started using the abbreviation 'atm' like that but, as someone in their 40s, I always read it as 'ass to mouth', which unironically describes PSVR2. Actually, ATM is more fun.
As people start to find out when they go digital with Sony, being locked into Sony's digital ecosystem as the only place you can buy games is not fun, point in question, GT7 here in the UK today on the PSN digital store, £70, but today i can go buy a physical retail version for £34 from a big retailer like Argos.......i mean have the price of Sony's digital store is just insane. lol
Man, eveeyone is always quick to hate on the fresnel lenses, and i get it... But the FOV is realy good, and the OLED panels have really great color and darkness. Plus no display lag
Are there any downside to them though? Cost apparently can't be it considering all the other things they built in, and for what they set the price of the set at. I did try the Quest and I can't say I liked it any better at all. Apart from the ease of set-up. But then again there are several other factors playing into that as well.
@@AltCutTVthe worst thing I notice on psvr2 is the Mura effect. It’s when you can kind of see a layer of graininess that doesn’t move with the image. Hard to explain but it’s light years better than psvr 1, rift s, and quest 2
Have not tried VR2 yet, just ordered a BF one. Have VR1 and had Quest 2 though. I'd describe the effect as having amore or less floaty and thin layer of fabric over my head. Maybe there is a market for a VR wedding simulator. 😅
@@AltCutTV downsides from fresnel lenses to pancake optics is the visual degradation off center viewing, usually described as edge-to-edge clarity. However the quest headsets are using LCD whereas psvr2 is oled. Pancake optics typical results in an overall drop in brightness due to the internal structure of the lens, so the oled display would appear much more dim. The bigscreen beyond and apple vision pro both feature pancake optics and the resulting screen is much less bright, so HDR content is going to be diminished.
1:36 I paused the video, walked up two floors, got my PS5 Pro box out of the closet so I could experience the smell of a Tokyo subway for the first time.
I think you are probably the first person I've seen to provide a legitimate reason for the PS5 Pro to exist. As you said, when looking at the screen captures its almost impossible to tell the difference (especially for most people who will be using this console 3-4 meters away on their couch) but when your eyeball is smooshed up against the screen it becomes much easier to see the better detail.
Meh, even the PSVR2 makes a Pro a hard sell.. that's now like a $1200 setup after everything is set up, and you don't even have games yet un less you upgraded from a base PS5
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 oh don't get me wrong, I still agree a pro is a waste of money. I was saying this is the first actual reason I have seen to justify its existence, be it a weak reason :p
NMS in VR controls have always been dodgy. Come to think of it, it's always a real PITA to relearn the controls if I haven't played for a while. I want Cyberpunk in VR.
Until you can buy an affordable haptic feedback suit, VR is just rendering the same scene twice at half the visual fidelity. Like 'AI', which is still really just 'machine learning', people have really jumped the gun calling it 'Virtual Reality'. When you're as old as me and have been hearing 'VR' since the '90s, it's just a bit sad, innit? All you are doing is displaying your game stereoscopically and the tech really hasn't evolved since the failure of the Virtual Boy.
I just got a PSVR2 yesterday on sale, and for the 30 seconds I got to play it before everything broke, it was really good. Going to try and get a replacement today so I can actually use it. The haptics in the headset are actually really immersive, and the eye tracking is cool too.
a couple notes to consider, dawid. the psvr2 has eye tracking, so the edges of the screen are blurry because its rendering where you ARENT looking at a lower res. its a very cool technology and its basically free performance. secondly, no, the no man sky controls arent bad. that's all i had to say lol.
Despite the eye tracking hardware, not all the titles support dynamic foveated rendering. I think the "enhanced" titles he tested here do, and No Man's Sky probably does it best.
@@Lurch-Bot half-assed would be to lower the entire screen at once. this is actually a pretty advance optimization that none of the quest headsets even support (because no eye tracking). the psvr is a killer VR headset. too bad it's attached to a shitty platform. if it had wireless streaming and native pcvr support out of the box, it would have been one of the best vr headsets
And for good reason. PSVR2 is my favorite PCVR headset now and I own them all. Or used to I recently sold my Reverb G2 and Index after I saw how dope the PSVR2 is with PCVR. I have a PS5 as well and love me some GT7 with my sim chair/wheel.
You have seriously read the numbers wrong, or just put that in a odd phrasing by mistake. Because by that statement the base would then have increased from around 2M units to 4M in just a few months. Which clearly has not happened. And wouldn't even be logistically possible really. Also, the 2000% increase in sales you probably gathered this from also coincided with a huge sale that as reportedly cleared Amazons stock. Which, let's be realistic, probably did not hold 2 million units. ;) Maybe 200 if going by how fast things usually sell out.
@Zatchillac yea my pickup gets like 18mpg at best lol so unfortunately the cost of driving negates the savings just to go to Indianapolis and back for me
I just ordered a psvr2 at Costco comes with the game pack in and they are giving a controller charger with it Black Friday sale. I have a base ps5 so I’ll check gt7 out since I already own it and the pack in but I have a pc as well I can finally finish half life alyx since my oculus died years ago
try carx drift racing. its a drifting sim with VR. should be really emmersive with a steering wheel. i don't have either a wheel or VR so i cannot say for sure.
Unfortunately, sony will succeed. Their next plan is to monopolize anime in the west and remove ownership there (as they already did with funimation). Video games are 100% next.
PSVR will be included in a history video along with stereoscopic penny arcade short films of the early 1900s and the Virtual Boy🤣 Will definitely be one of those 'tech that didn't quite catch on' videos, perhaps alongside a Stanley Steamer and a Tesla🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💩💩☠☠
People are absolutely going to do that for content farming despite ps5 pro selling more the ps4 pro. VR as a whole isnt catching on and that’s not Sony’s fault, they made a really solid headset
i can definitely see a resolution bump in the pro images which i would assume translates well to VR, but id be mostly interested in 90fps if it can pull that off. anything less is just no good.
The base ps5 was capable of 90 fps. Tested it on a few games with my lg c1. It’s very consistent too. Even though it says targeted 60 fps it still hits 90 with ease.
5:47 Does he not know that they use foveated rendering? There are eye trackers inside the headset to achieve that. For those who don't know it's essentially rendering in a higher fidelity what YOU are looking at which is why the edges will look blurry at times. It's especially noticeable if you're watching a screen recording. The reason why they do that is to be able to achieve higher frame rates without sacrificing graphics
I've actually heard these headsets are comfortable for glasses wearers. I bypassed the need for glasses and just got some prescription lens inserts for my quest 3. The same can be done for psvr2
You literally time this perfect I just bought a PlayStation VR2 for $350 The first time it's ever been on sale $250 off and I have the pro I'm about to get it today and experience it I hope this video goes well lol
So, its basically the same as for the non VR stuff. It is a bit better and often feels a little bit smoother, but you really have to nitpick or compare it back to back. Sorry, thats not enough for that price.
That's not what he said at all, he said the difference was obvious while wearing the headset. Motion smoothness in particular is far more critical in VR or you literally feel sick and get headaches when its bad.
@@donburi8090 No. Because the motion sickness is caused by a disagreement between the vestibule and what your eyes are seeing. If you get motion sickness from 'VR', that will always be the case.
The problem is that 90% of Dawid viewers aren't as old as that episode of Mythbusters. They think of Adam Savage as some tech guru, when he got his start decomposing pig carcasses in cars and polishing turds.
"The fresnel lenses in the psvr2 feel like a Stone Age, comparing to pancake lenses in the quest 3, with a tiny sweet spot in the middle" Can't agree more. I really tried to love PSVR2 even got it myself, but tiny sweet spot killed all the fun.
Yeah I noticed the fresnel lenses immediately. I did remedy it a little by getting a head strap that held the sweet spot better. (Globular Cluster) I do at times appreciate the higher fidelity games at times, but the pancake lenses are way crisper. I prefer quicker brighter games on my Quest. I will say, however, some games that have a lot of dark scenes in it look a lot better to me sometimes on PSVR2. I have Red Matter on both and the first time I played it on Quest 3 I thought my lenses were fogging up. It was just the grayness of the LCD. This can be remedied a little bit if you turn down the brightness or turn on the experimental content auto brightness on the Quest. I appreciate having both for different reasons. Quest is easier to jump in and out of and gets a little more use, but PSVR2 has had some larger experience games that I appreciate like No Man’s Sky and Resident Evil games.
I purchased the original ps4 pro to run the PsVR better. This time to run the VR2 better I bought the connection box that lets it connect to my PC. £700 is decent GPU money so no I'm not going the PS5 pro route this time (have to make do with the peasant class PS5 instead).
I'm utterly baffled that your VR video is so good when your CRT videos were a trainwreck, great job! XD Oh, also, the PSVR2 will render a circular region of the screens at a lower res, it's not just the edge of the screens, it follows where you're looking, neat stuff!
You have totally missed the point on gt 7 on the pro. It totally resolves the motion clarity so there is no double imaging of cars. Psvr 2 is oddly the biggest selling point on the ps5 pro. You are getting something close to a high end pc vr setup now for a fraction of the cost.
Thanks Microcenter. Though I can't get over to the store as much, I like using Inland filament. I buy the spool-less one to save a little bit for the environment.
"There was more jiggle to that than I was expecting." Said while I was looking away... Naturally, my mind went elsewhere thinking "What could jiggle in VR?"
When the PS3 came out I went to the mall and got the 60Gb with an additional controller and downloaded little big planet. $770 or so on one single 15 minute visit to Game Stop. And with my own money cause I'm old. I won't even check what's that adjusted for inflation. Specially because that thing died 3 years in. And the model that came after, which I still got didnt have PS1 and 2 backwards compatibility not you could install Windows on it and died even faster. The PS3 wasn't made for the hot humid weather and no central AC of the homes of Puerto Rico. For some time I was ranked in the top 100 on all courses in GT5 but then I didnt have time to play every day because life and kids. My daughter loved Little Big Planet.
Lol, you traded gaming for ass wiping. And I am once again reminded why I am glad I never had kids. besides, there are already too many people on this planet. When it all goes horribly wrong in the next few years, I won't have to feel guilty for creating new life only for them to be the last generation of humans.
I think I'm buying the VR because it is on sale and I can use on the PC as well. Sounds like you didn't care for the VR but I am more interested in this because of the OLED screens instead of the quest 3 which use LCD
I use mine on my PC and I like it. I don't have a Q3 so I can't compare them. I like horror games so the oled screens are a huge upgrade. LCD screens in VR make horror games unplayable imo.
i also have the quest 3 and the psvr2 with pc adapter ,games feel far more 3d with the psvr2 because off the color and blacks and brightness on the psvr2 with a pc.. You will get Mura but you will be more inside a game.. With the quest 3 its like looking at a dull picture even with those great lenses(and yes they are great) I also had many high end vr headsets like the first pimax crystal and the varjo vr3,but oled and high brightness adds alot with immersion(and thats what vr is about)
I have PSVR2 and Quest 3, and I think it's a wash between them for PCVR. Quest 3 has better lenses, but PSVR2 has better panels. Also PSVR2 doesn't have latency and video compression artifacts because displayport. In total it's real close.
i also have the quest 3 and the psvr2 with pc adapter ,games feel far more 3d with the psvr2 because off the color and blacks and brightness on the psvr2 with a pc.. You will get Mura but you will be more inside a game.. With the quest 3 its like looking at a dull picture even with those great lenses(and yes they are great) I also had many high end vr headsets like the first pimax crystal and the varjo vr3,but oled and high brightness adds alot with immersion(and thats what vr is about)
Just got my pro today and thinking I should get the psvr2 is it worth it I loved my psvr1 and my meta quest 2 just on the fence between meta 3 and psvr2 😢
Unless you really want to play the incredibly low quantity of PSVS2 exclusives, the Quest 3 wins here as it has far superior image quality, plus if you have a capable PC, you can play an unlimited library of games on it.
Keep in mind with screenshot comparisons that a lot of games use vofiated rendering so everything your eyes don't look at will be running at a much lower res.
The PSVR 2's biggest flaw is the lenses. Fresnel lenses are last gen, and make the headset dated since its launch. Spherical lenses would have been at least a decent step up and do not have the same higher cost or screen light requirements of pancake optics.
As a vr enthousiaste I don't have the possibility to say anything on the psv2 beceause I don't own one but what I can say is rocking my quest 1, Oled is the clear way my friends 😎
i really resent the fresnel lenses in the PSVR2, it’s what draws me back to my MQ3 over and over again i even looked into after market options for swapping out the fresnel lenses for pancake lenses (if that’s even possible) on the PSVR2. i kind of don’t care if there’s a drop in brightness, the fresnel lenses are soooo distracting for me
Is is though? You can't build a gaming pc for the same price for the same performance. Even secondhand barely makes it. Go look at Linus Tech tips video about it
6:55 Penguins are more difficult to render because they aren’t running Linux.
😂😂😂
Only the ps2, ps3, and ps4 can do that
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ps4 ps5 use freebsd unix advanced linux
ps2 ps1 ps3 linux
but morons are running usa chearing 4 russia 2 use nukes
@@flamestoyershadowkill PS2 and PS3 can officially run it, PS4 only thanks to the community. I'm sure in a few years, the same will happen to the PS5. Linux is inevitable.
Also, I remember PlayStation being FreeBSD based?
@@WaylandGaming Yes. So maybe they could have tiny devils on the ice instead.
It would go well with a popular nickname for the arctic regions after all.. ;)
The PSVR 2 uses eye tracking to determine what areas of the screen can be rendered at a lower resolution. Basically, it's always rendering the highest resolution wherever you are looking. Everything in the periphery can be blurry and you won't notice.
Ah, I forgot about this. This is pretty why they looked similar in the screen capture
You *supposedly* won't notice. I'm unfortunately an exception. Or maybe it's closer to "I notice the resolution change when I look elsewhere".
@@samiraperi467 yeah you have 20:20 periphery vision. Ok pal
@@BenState Not everyone has the same vision, some ppl can see and feel differences you may not. I hope you still do not believe that 30fps is more than the human eye can see?
Yea I wonder why he didn't mention the foveated rendering
AND the ps3 originally was backward compatible with ps1 and ps2. The value was stupid high
The value was normal
Modern console value is just terrible
And super audio cd support, jesus sony put everything in that box
It was literally the cheapest blu ray player at the time.
Similar to the PS2, which was one of the cheapest DVD players at launch
You mean the console that launched for $599 back in 2013? Are you deaf?
I love that the aroma evaluations are just a normal tech review mention on this channel and we all go along with it.
Huh, I guess you aren't in the RC hobby.
Most RC unboxings include the smello-vision attachment (a USB cord plugs up your nose) because tires smell delicious.
"Dawid Smells Tech Stuff"
Or bowling. Storm balls come with different scents, everything from cotton candy to cinnamon. Motiv balls smell like an entire chemical factory, especially when drilling the finger holes.
The box smell is super important. :P
The best reason to buy one would be, only if you have a large audience, to show other people why they shouldn’t buy one 👍
😂 accurate
wtf u talking about? theyre 460 bucks new now, so even cheaper then normal ps5 pürice. it was never meant to be 699, nobody payed that much. it 469 new, the ps5 pro.
@@L4ftyOneLmao no they aren’t 😂 what are you even talking about 😂 the are 699
@@L4ftyOne The PS5 Pro is €989 here in Sweden.
I got one. I love it way more than the base ps5. I have the best tv on the market so the pro really takes advantage of my tv. I know your little 200 dollar tv won't show any difference so I understand why you're a hater.
7:07 i love pixel peeping at the ice hole
fargin ice hole
@@marsMayflower love the johnny dangerously reference 😂
These triple black lines are not for ventilation. Purely cosmetic.😂
You mean like 99% of car exhausts these days :P
@@Lurch-Bot I can hear some oily carbros feeling a sudden rage but not knowing why. =P
I see. That's disappointing
It's more like a fake hood scoop on a vehicle 😂😅
Looks like it’s not much of an improvement
AND you lose the bluray
@@MaxxJagX Just buy the disc drive attachment?
Sony doesn't deserve the money for the pro. Just save for the PS6
@@technologyanimals So pay even more for a feature that was in the original?
@@technologyanimalsJust buy a PC then.
The entire PS5 Pro is cheaper than 2TB storage at Apple.
can put ps5 pro put pocket?
no
can call you mom ?
no
so console and phone two diffence thing
@IbadGrammarX He didn't say a phone, he said Apple.
The entire PS5 Pro is $200 more than an entire Mac Mini
@@rustler08and gives 2TB 💀
Or 10 TB of samsung nvme storage
I actually really appreciate how well you blend the comedy into comparisons like this. This is the kind of content i would look for if I were deciding to buy things. Seeing the side by side, in motion and screenshots is also a huge help.
the penguins in the kayaking one are skeletal meshes, which means they take more memory bandwidth overall than a static mesh, therefore the pro can support more of them.
We've had skeletal animation systems for over two decades though...
@blunderingfool still more costly than a static mesh that doesn't have bones or animation. Even vertex animation in the end is turned into a skeletal mesh as far as the engine is concerned. I've been a game dev for 15 years specializing in rigging and animation, fwiw.
Only problem with PS5 Pro is its ridiculous price. In Australia, thanks to Black Friday deals you can find a PS5 digital for about 500 AUD (tax included) On the other hand PS5 Pro here is 1200 AUD. So instead of buying a PS5 Pro you can buy 2,4 PS5 Digital editions. It is just ridiculous as I said.
Just wait for PS6. This console upgrade is not needed.
Its like upgrading your 4K TV to another 4K TV.
That's my exact plan. Also I am pretty sure PS6 will be cheaper than PS5 Pro.
What's ridiculous is using 2,4 to represent 2.4
Something to consider, on PCVR, the gameplay you see on your monitor and the resolution sent to the headset are not linked in any way. This is because outputting two separate windows of your game causes extra strain on your GPU. I would wager that Sony could have increased the rendered resolution in the headset while leaving the TVs resolutions the same. That could explain the better quality you see in the headset, but little to no change in your recording
the reason vr games tend to not look as nice as flatscreen games is because the screen is right up against your face.
the pixel density per degree of vision is an extreme amount lower, resulting in a lower resolution image compared to even a similar resolution flat screen display.
the lenses also interfere with colour and can glare like you would see on your glasses (if you didnt get an anti glare coating).
the lenses in the psvr2 have an internal coating that applies a slight blur to everything in order to hide the screen door effect better.
There's also the fact that everything has to be rendered twice, once per eye, and at no less than 90fps to keep you from feeling sick. Some use frame reprojecttion while rendering internally at 60fps, though.
The PSVR 2 still has the screen door effect though unfortunately from my experience.
@@drober8588 its still there, but its a lot less than it would be without the internal coating.
@@guesswho2778 interesting. Do you know if the quest 3 has the screen door effect?
@@drober8588 I dont remember seeing it but I wasn't looking for it and my glasses didnt quite fit inside the Quest 3 nicely and I didn't want to scratch either of them trying to force it.
I can see the sde in my quest pro but it's barely noticable to me unless I put my glasses on and even then it requires me trying to see it to see it.
the quest 3 shouldn't be too different in that regard.
Glossy plastic looks nice until you blow on it gently to remove dust and cause a million scratches.
Okay I set up the PSVR2 to on my PS5 pro no issues pure fun great colors great contrasting colors great sharpness. Gt7 was the game I played
Did you try that on pro exclusive setting on vr that makes the motion more smooth? I turned that on and it made a massive difference
Isn’t the resolution falloff on the edges of the image because of the foveated rendering?
GT7 on PSVR2 is my absolute favorite VR game, and the pro makes it even better...better framerates and much clearer! 🤩
Only thing is that the discdrive isn't available here for normal prices atm..
Not sure how people started using the abbreviation 'atm' like that but, as someone in their 40s, I always read it as 'ass to mouth', which unironically describes PSVR2. Actually, ATM is more fun.
As people start to find out when they go digital with Sony, being locked into Sony's digital ecosystem as the only place you can buy games is not fun, point in question, GT7 here in the UK today on the PSN digital store, £70, but today i can go buy a physical retail version for £34 from a big retailer like Argos.......i mean have the price of Sony's digital store is just insane. lol
@@Lurch-Bot you're the creative type..funny.
@@bob23301Sony will be one of the last companies to ditch physical media
Man, eveeyone is always quick to hate on the fresnel lenses, and i get it... But the FOV is realy good, and the OLED panels have really great color and darkness. Plus no display lag
Are there any downside to them though? Cost apparently can't be it considering all the other things they built in, and for what they set the price of the set at.
I did try the Quest and I can't say I liked it any better at all. Apart from the ease of set-up. But then again there are several other factors playing into that as well.
@@AltCutTVthe worst thing I notice on psvr2 is the Mura effect. It’s when you can kind of see a layer of graininess that doesn’t move with the image. Hard to explain but it’s light years better than psvr 1, rift s, and quest 2
Have not tried VR2 yet, just ordered a BF one. Have VR1 and had Quest 2 though.
I'd describe the effect as having amore or less floaty and thin layer of fabric over my head.
Maybe there is a market for a VR wedding simulator. 😅
@@AltCutTV downsides from fresnel lenses to pancake optics is the visual degradation off center viewing, usually described as edge-to-edge clarity. However the quest headsets are using LCD whereas psvr2 is oled.
Pancake optics typical results in an overall drop in brightness due to the internal structure of the lens, so the oled display would appear much more dim. The bigscreen beyond and apple vision pro both feature pancake optics and the resulting screen is much less bright, so HDR content is going to be diminished.
Hi Dawid , you have quickly become my favourite tech youtuber! Always brightens my day when I see you have uploaded 😁
1:36 I paused the video, walked up two floors, got my PS5 Pro box out of the closet so I could experience the smell of a Tokyo subway for the first time.
I don’t get why it’s so hard to design those feet to just fold down when you need them then lay flat when folded back up
I think you are probably the first person I've seen to provide a legitimate reason for the PS5 Pro to exist. As you said, when looking at the screen captures its almost impossible to tell the difference (especially for most people who will be using this console 3-4 meters away on their couch) but when your eyeball is smooshed up against the screen it becomes much easier to see the better detail.
Meh, even the PSVR2 makes a Pro a hard sell.. that's now like a $1200 setup after everything is set up, and you don't even have games yet un less you upgraded from a base PS5
The better framerates are huge too
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 The PSVR 2 can be used for PC VR games now so it's fully worth the $350 if you also have a decent pc
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 oh don't get me wrong, I still agree a pro is a waste of money. I was saying this is the first actual reason I have seen to justify its existence, be it a weak reason :p
NMS in VR controls have always been dodgy. Come to think of it, it's always a real PITA to relearn the controls if I haven't played for a while.
I want Cyberpunk in VR.
Until you can buy an affordable haptic feedback suit, VR is just rendering the same scene twice at half the visual fidelity. Like 'AI', which is still really just 'machine learning', people have really jumped the gun calling it 'Virtual Reality'. When you're as old as me and have been hearing 'VR' since the '90s, it's just a bit sad, innit? All you are doing is displaying your game stereoscopically and the tech really hasn't evolved since the failure of the Virtual Boy.
Dodgeball VR looks pretty hilarious
I just got a PSVR2 yesterday on sale, and for the 30 seconds I got to play it before everything broke, it was really good. Going to try and get a replacement today so I can actually use it. The haptics in the headset are actually really immersive, and the eye tracking is cool too.
How did it break?🤔
a couple notes to consider, dawid. the psvr2 has eye tracking, so the edges of the screen are blurry because its rendering where you ARENT looking at a lower res. its a very cool technology and its basically free performance.
secondly, no, the no man sky controls arent bad.
that's all i had to say lol.
Despite the eye tracking hardware, not all the titles support dynamic foveated rendering. I think the "enhanced" titles he tested here do, and No Man's Sky probably does it best.
Free performance? No, just a half assed way of getting the job done.
@@Lurch-Bot How is it half-assed? That's optimization.
@@Lurch-Bot half-assed would be to lower the entire screen at once. this is actually a pretty advance optimization that none of the quest headsets even support (because no eye tracking).
the psvr is a killer VR headset. too bad it's attached to a shitty platform. if it had wireless streaming and native pcvr support out of the box, it would have been one of the best vr headsets
You can’t polish a turd……but you can roll it in glitter
damn 🤣🤣
Ps5 pro is worth the price just admit you’re broke and go on with your life
Wrong. The Mythbusters successfully polished multiple turds in an episode.
More PSVR2 headsets sold right after PC compatibility was announced than all PSVR2 headsets sold before that.
And for good reason. PSVR2 is my favorite PCVR headset now and I own them all. Or used to I recently sold my Reverb G2 and Index after I saw how dope the PSVR2 is with PCVR. I have a PS5 as well and love me some GT7 with my sim chair/wheel.
You have seriously read the numbers wrong, or just put that in a odd phrasing by mistake. Because by that statement the base would then have increased from around 2M units to 4M in just a few months. Which clearly has not happened. And wouldn't even be logistically possible really.
Also, the 2000% increase in sales you probably gathered this from also coincided with a huge sale that as reportedly cleared Amazons stock. Which, let's be realistic, probably did not hold 2 million units. ;) Maybe 200 if going by how fast things usually sell out.
They also been on sale frequently
Loved your review 😂 now subscribed
I wish my microcenter wasn't so far away.. 2.5 hours
I could justify that. Mine is twice the distance, which I can't justify when I'd have to spend like $100 just for the gas to get there
@Zatchillac yea my pickup gets like 18mpg at best lol so unfortunately the cost of driving negates the savings just to go to Indianapolis and back for me
@@Zatchillac Same here, the closest to me is Marietta GA, about 5 hours away.
Mine is 296 miles away in Dallas
My nearest one is about 4000 miles away 😢 I am in London
I appreciate your watermark being a 5700
Love when Dawid shows a crystal clear ice hole. Dawid's ice hole is the best.
I just ordered a psvr2 at Costco comes with the game pack in and they are giving a controller charger with it Black Friday sale. I have a base ps5 so I’ll check gt7 out since I already own it and the pack in but I have a pc as well I can finally finish half life alyx since my oculus died years ago
Not sure whether to laugh or cry at your comment.
@ I mean you’re a bot. I don’t expect you to do either.
try carx drift racing. its a drifting sim with VR. should be really emmersive with a steering wheel.
i don't have either a wheel or VR so i cannot say for sure.
2:14 plus that PS3 was fully backwards compatible, including previous Gen hardware inside, PS2.
Excellent video, got the point across and had some good humor all the way along😄
So the PS5 Pro, makes asteroids look like Giant Space Turds...
I hope the ps5 pro one day becomes one of those consoles that people make videos about titled revisiting the sony dark ages
Unfortunately, sony will succeed. Their next plan is to monopolize anime in the west and remove ownership there (as they already did with funimation). Video games are 100% next.
@@dualie-dude-42 yep. now they're trying to buy kadokawa. if that happens, it would also mean that sony gets ownership of FromSoftware
PSVR will be included in a history video along with stereoscopic penny arcade short films of the early 1900s and the Virtual Boy🤣
Will definitely be one of those 'tech that didn't quite catch on' videos, perhaps alongside a Stanley Steamer and a Tesla🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💩💩☠☠
People are absolutely going to do that for content farming despite ps5 pro selling more the ps4 pro. VR as a whole isnt catching on and that’s not Sony’s fault, they made a really solid headset
I too, like to stick blue-rays into my PS5.
That seems like it should sound dirty. But it doesn't.
i can definitely see a resolution bump in the pro images which i would assume translates well to VR, but id be mostly interested in 90fps if it can pull that off. anything less is just no good.
The base ps5 was capable of 90 fps. Tested it on a few games with my lg c1. It’s very consistent too. Even though it says targeted 60 fps it still hits 90 with ease.
Half trigger pull/revolver spin is all the interaction u need in re4…. So good!!!
5:47 Does he not know that they use foveated rendering? There are eye trackers inside the headset to achieve that. For those who don't know it's essentially rendering in a higher fidelity what YOU are looking at which is why the edges will look blurry at times. It's especially noticeable if you're watching a screen recording. The reason why they do that is to be able to achieve higher frame rates without sacrificing graphics
I like that they call the PS5-PRO "Disc-free" and not "Disc-less" 😂😂
It would make the Japanese feel attacked
"Its free of those pesky discs everyone complains about."
Headsets like that look painful for glasses wearers - and if they sit lightly enough to not be painful, surely that causes a crapton of light bleed?
I've actually heard these headsets are comfortable for glasses wearers. I bypassed the need for glasses and just got some prescription lens inserts for my quest 3. The same can be done for psvr2
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 I have lens inserts for my PSVR2. It's not good for glasses imo. Not tried any other VR to compare.
No man sky and PS5 Pro on Psvr2 is a blast 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The lenses are definitely my biggest gripe with the PSVR2 too. The sweet spot is very narrow.
No discs means you can't sell your games after playing them
You literally time this perfect I just bought a PlayStation VR2 for $350 The first time it's ever been on sale $250 off and I have the pro I'm about to get it today and experience it I hope this video goes well lol
Is it better for the cinematic mode that allows to play flat games on a large virtual screen?
If you are adjusting for inflation on price should you also adjust for inflation on storage?
So, its basically the same as for the non VR stuff. It is a bit better and often feels a little bit smoother, but you really have to nitpick or compare it back to back. Sorry, thats not enough for that price.
That's not what he said at all, he said the difference was obvious while wearing the headset. Motion smoothness in particular is far more critical in VR or you literally feel sick and get headaches when its bad.
I was hoping you'd touch on whether the PS5 Pro reduces the obvious reprojection of the standard console. That's my main gripe.
He said a lot without saying much. In GT7 turning on the new positional reprojection removes the ghosting seen using the old method.
Do the smoother frame rates really help prevent motion sickness? That's my biggest problem with VR. And I would like to use my PSVR2 a lot more.
Yes.
@@donburi8090 No. Because the motion sickness is caused by a disagreement between the vestibule and what your eyes are seeing. If you get motion sickness from 'VR', that will always be the case.
Playing vr in 30 frame/second is obviously gonna make your eyes and body work harder thus motion sickness will likely be
Frame rate alone doesn't make you sick, Movies only play at 24fps.
Chewingum helps😊
FYI, Mythbusters proved that you can in fact polish a turd. I'm pretty sure the video is here on UA-cam.
The problem is that 90% of Dawid viewers aren't as old as that episode of Mythbusters. They think of Adam Savage as some tech guru, when he got his start decomposing pig carcasses in cars and polishing turds.
Wish there was a PSVR2 Pro to go with the PS5 Pro so I can demolish my bank account .
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Play Jenga.
"The fresnel lenses in the psvr2 feel like a Stone Age, comparing to pancake lenses in the quest 3, with a tiny sweet spot in the middle"
Can't agree more. I really tried to love PSVR2 even got it myself, but tiny sweet spot killed all the fun.
Yeah I noticed the fresnel lenses immediately. I did remedy it a little by getting a head strap that held the sweet spot better. (Globular Cluster) I do at times appreciate the higher fidelity games at times, but the pancake lenses are way crisper. I prefer quicker brighter games on my Quest. I will say, however, some games that have a lot of dark scenes in it look a lot better to me sometimes on PSVR2. I have Red Matter on both and the first time I played it on Quest 3 I thought my lenses were fogging up. It was just the grayness of the LCD. This can be remedied a little bit if you turn down the brightness or turn on the experimental content auto brightness on the Quest. I appreciate having both for different reasons. Quest is easier to jump in and out of and gets a little more use, but PSVR2 has had some larger experience games that I appreciate like No Man’s Sky and Resident Evil games.
I purchased the original ps4 pro to run the PsVR better. This time to run the VR2 better I bought the connection box that lets it connect to my PC. £700 is decent GPU money so no I'm not going the PS5 pro route this time (have to make do with the peasant class PS5 instead).
I'm utterly baffled that your VR video is so good when your CRT videos were a trainwreck, great job! XD
Oh, also, the PSVR2 will render a circular region of the screens at a lower res, it's not just the edge of the screens, it follows where you're looking, neat stuff!
You have totally missed the point on gt 7 on the pro. It totally resolves the motion clarity so there is no double imaging of cars. Psvr 2 is oddly the biggest selling point on the ps5 pro. You are getting something close to a high end pc vr setup now for a fraction of the cost.
Thanks Microcenter. Though I can't get over to the store as much, I like using Inland filament. I buy the spool-less one to save a little bit for the environment.
Did RE4 still use reprojection on the PS5 Pro?
"There was more jiggle to that than I was expecting." Said while I was looking away... Naturally, my mind went elsewhere thinking "What could jiggle in VR?"
7:40 well yeah, its not even meant to be a VR game, they just added a VR patch onto the real game, obviously you wont get to interact with everything
Man it must’ve really sucked going through screen shots to see where you were actually looking because of the eye tracked rendering.
When the PS3 came out I went to the mall and got the 60Gb with an additional controller and downloaded little big planet. $770 or so on one single 15 minute visit to Game Stop. And with my own money cause I'm old. I won't even check what's that adjusted for inflation. Specially because that thing died 3 years in. And the model that came after, which I still got didnt have PS1 and 2 backwards compatibility not you could install Windows on it and died even faster. The PS3 wasn't made for the hot humid weather and no central AC of the homes of Puerto Rico. For some time I was ranked in the top 100 on all courses in GT5 but then I didnt have time to play every day because life and kids. My daughter loved Little Big Planet.
Lol, you traded gaming for ass wiping. And I am once again reminded why I am glad I never had kids. besides, there are already too many people on this planet. When it all goes horribly wrong in the next few years, I won't have to feel guilty for creating new life only for them to be the last generation of humans.
I think I'm buying the VR because it is on sale and I can use on the PC as well. Sounds like you didn't care for the VR but I am more interested in this because of the OLED screens instead of the quest 3 which use LCD
I would argue that the Quest 3 pancake lenses make more of a difference than the OLED screens on PSVR2.
I use mine on my PC and I like it. I don't have a Q3 so I can't compare them. I like horror games so the oled screens are a huge upgrade. LCD screens in VR make horror games unplayable imo.
i also have the quest 3 and the psvr2 with pc adapter ,games feel far more 3d with the psvr2 because off the color and blacks and brightness on the psvr2 with a pc.. You will get Mura but you will be more inside a game.. With the quest 3 its like looking at a dull picture even with those great lenses(and yes they are great) I also had many high end vr headsets like the first pimax crystal and the varjo vr3,but oled and high brightness adds alot with immersion(and thats what vr is about)
I have PSVR2 and Quest 3, and I think it's a wash between them for PCVR. Quest 3 has better lenses, but PSVR2 has better panels. Also PSVR2 doesn't have latency and video compression artifacts because displayport. In total it's real close.
@@Theedgecrusher93and that would be a poor argument
What vr headset would you recommend for a high end pc?
Wow I think it's the first time I see a video released "seconds" ago. I guess the algorithm understands that I like watching Dawid videos
If you play a game like red matter 2 on psvr2, you’ll find that the headset/lenses can feel pretty sharp.
Can you get the adapter to plug it into a PC and compare PC performance to PS5 pro?
i also have the quest 3 and the psvr2 with pc adapter ,games feel far more 3d with the psvr2 because off the color and blacks and brightness on the psvr2 with a pc.. You will get Mura but you will be more inside a game.. With the quest 3 its like looking at a dull picture even with those great lenses(and yes they are great) I also had many high end vr headsets like the first pimax crystal and the varjo vr3,but oled and high brightness adds alot with immersion(and thats what vr is about)
Go-karts aren't ball torture machines. They're back and side torture machines.
The games you tested, I don’t think any of them got vr performance enhancement with the pro. I got a pro for vr, and I feel regret.
So what you’re saying is I get a nicer ice hole if I get the ps5 pro?
Why is the headset so big? My Quest 3S w/3rd Party battery headset isn't nearly as big.
It’s come to light that the PRO isn’t all they promised. How funny.
What did they “promise” with the pro, and what did we not receive?
Quest 3 with a PC is still the best VR.
Absolutely. Pancake lenses alone make Q3 the winner - not to mention all the other benefits.
Even the Quest 3 as a standalone unit gives a pretty great VR experience
@@DaygunjimCan the standalone unit play half life alex?
Depends on what gpu, anything less than a 4070 super, ps5 pro is better
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 I run a 3070 and the racing sims I play and half life alyx run fantastic on the q3
The headset has eye tracking that’s why you don’t see the lower resolution outside the sweet spot.
Just got my pro today
and thinking I should get the psvr2 is it worth it I loved my psvr1 and my meta quest 2 just on the fence between meta 3 and psvr2 😢
Unless you really want to play the incredibly low quantity of PSVS2 exclusives, the Quest 3 wins here as it has far superior image quality, plus if you have a capable PC, you can play an unlimited library of games on it.
Keep in mind with screenshot comparisons that a lot of games use vofiated rendering so everything your eyes don't look at will be running at a much lower res.
You are correct in your fresnel lense assessment. Ffs the psvr1 lenses offered better optics despite the low display resolution.
Can we get a comparison with the PSVR hooked up to your PC?
The PSVR 2's biggest flaw is the lenses. Fresnel lenses are last gen, and make the headset dated since its launch. Spherical lenses would have been at least a decent step up and do not have the same higher cost or screen light requirements of pancake optics.
Last gen? The headsets we had on high end 'VR' arcade games in the '90s had Fresnel lenses. That's more like last 12 gens.
Never heard of spherical lenses for vr. Fresnel is decent if you’ve never used pancake and the oled screen is very nice
He didn't notice the vr was an oled that much ? Interesting
A PSSR patch hasn’t dropped for PSVR2 yet. In theory that should make an additional difference to all titles as well.
How would you compare RE4 Remake VR vs RE4VR on the Quest? That one was actually made only with VR in mind. There's way more interaction with stuff.
Floating poo at 5:34
Extremely surprising comment about tge lenses, every other tubers has mentioned the lenses being way better than the quest
As a vr enthousiaste I don't have the possibility to say anything on the psv2 beceause I don't own one but what I can say is rocking my quest 1, Oled is the clear way my friends
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How are you a vr enthusiast and haven't upgrade yet
Yea, I'm gonna get the Pro specifically for Village and RE4.
PS VR2 Pro when?
i really resent the fresnel lenses in the PSVR2, it’s what draws me back to my MQ3 over and over again
i even looked into after market options for swapping out the fresnel lenses for pancake lenses (if that’s even possible) on the PSVR2. i kind of don’t care if there’s a drop in brightness, the fresnel lenses are soooo distracting for me
Ps5 pro is too expensive
Is is though? You can't build a gaming pc for the same price for the same performance. Even secondhand barely makes it. Go look at Linus Tech tips video about it
@@reniervandermerwe What if the comparison is against the regular PS5 and not a PC?
@@reniervandermerwe That's true, but with the pc you can also do regular tasks unlike the ps5(pro)
U$200 more is too expensive? Nah, in my country is double the price of one slim
With the pro? Yeah pc are better, with standard ps5? Ps5 is better. @@reniervandermerwe
The pro is garbage compared to the launch console. The ps5 standard with the disc is now $400 refurbished. Who is going to pay for this turd?
6:38 is the game tearing
They should have put a display port on this as well
Yeah, but they already have a psvr2 adapter for pcs.
“Go-kart battery ball torture” 😂