I'm really looking forward to feeling the tiny but soul shattering "clink" as a fan mount screw falls off the tip of your screwdriver, bounces off the interior of the case and gets lost under the (already installed) motherboard. That's what's missing from gaming.
I suspect bass shakers feel way more immersive even at inaudible volume levels due to rumbling the whole chair rather than just vibrating against your body.
There's no doubt about that. Something like this (implemented correctly) has it's usecase if a bass shaker shaking your entire rig could, or rather would, annoy your neighbours for example. Still, I'd say it's completely unnecessary.
@@noneofyourbusiness4294 Most things are completely unnecessary. And you most definitely don't buy a product like this out of necessity, either. You buy something like this because you have disposable income and are curious to try out the gimmicky technology for yourself and are okay with the associated risks of buying a product like this.
I immediately thought you would try racing games only to find them sub-par, and then go on to reveal the "ultimate" use case - horror games. I think it may have some potential for very jumpscare based games for more scary immersion.
That's some loose suspension though and couldn't handle a family of 5 which would weight way into the 200s. 136KG is these days just a regular obese tall guy. People on mobility scooters and those who's geometry approaches that of a sphere, you are talking about someone way fatter than 136kg, closer to 200. I'd call that to be the "absurd amount."
It depends on where you're from. 85 KG is the mean weight here in the UK for example, while in the US 90 KG is the mean weight (for men). Of course, this isn't counting people who are over 6 foot tall and play sports, as apparently, for SOME reason, 130 KG is a "healthy" weight for them. No I'm being serious, some people actually think that. Even though they have a belly like a Buddha and moobs. That sure sounds healthy.
@@Deja117Shaquille O'Neal was 330 lbs (~150 kgs) when he was at his peak of physical fitness, he didn't have an ounce of excess fat at the time. To be fair, at 7'2" (~ 220cm) he's not exactly an average sized man, and he was also far above average in muscle mass (both absolute and relative). But my point is that... ummm.... these are facts that I know, and now you know them too. No need to thank me.
This fits neatly into the long list of Razer products where the software is more of an afterthought - beyond collecting your delicious personal data, of course.
@@megachonk9440 Yeah...no idea how these guys still exist, like everything they do someone else already makes better. And it doesnt have "MSI" syndrome.
Something you might consider looking at for simracing with the haptic pad is a software called simhub. It allows you to use the telemetry from ingame and match it up to the vibration motors you can set it to engine revs, ABS, Traction control whatever you choose and adjust the values of each it may work with the razor pad and its worth a look considering the software is free.
Mabe they wold also add a mode were you could get attacked be an angry consumer if you don't fix his computer properly, that the haptic feedback will let you feel while playing.
@@yaniv_akrishI came here to say this. I once had a guy near Christmas (when I couldn't get his preferred model of monitor in stock) threaten to break my legs. I referred his complaint to my supervisor, who was an ex-boxer.
Microsoft Flight sim pilots love this stuff. I don't have it, but they say it actually helps you fly better, feel the landing, feel flight controls, etc....
Items like these remind me of Nintendo and Sega accessories of the 90s when I grew up. Just random pieces of "tech" that was sold to you with promises of becoming a gaming deity.
Random haptic accessories started showing up and failing what like 10+ years ago, yet big companies still think it's a good idea to push more out without making the investment into large scale game support.
Glad you brought Tarkov back into the testing rotation. I had a similar thought as you for use case when I saw snow runner as coming soon and thought about truck driving sims and racing sims being a great use case.
The reason they aren't pushing it for sim racing is likely the fact that better specialized solutions already exist so they don't want to actively compete.
6'2 and 139kg is class 2 obese. Sure, not absurd, but a more than reasonable weight limit. Certainly more reasonable than the farce of an idea it is in the first place. My regular *Ikea* chair was around $330. This thing is gonna be uncomfortable as fuck. edit: holy shit it4s just the pad... I'm beyond done with gaming peripheral shit...
Have you ever thought of doing any tarkov streaming?Would love to see how your tarkov experience is. It's been such a love/hate relationship type of game for me.
Complaining about the 300lb weight limit on your movement vibration chair simulator... is a tell tale sign that it's time to go outside and discover what real movement feels like.
I think its could work really well in horror games like Outlast. I could see myself hiding in a locker and the haptics actuating with the footsteps of the big baddie getting more and more intense as they get closer.
Can it be controlled through Simhub? Simhub is usually go to software to control all kinds of generic haptic devices for simracing, it has a ton of premade effects for triggering ABS, traction control, wheelspin etc, could be worth a try.
When I saw the advertisement for this, I knew immediately that I am never going to waste my money on it. Razer already has a crap reputation for 'Develop then Discontinue' I can't see them changing for this pad.
Never been impressed with Razer stuff, I swear they just make utter junk. I've bought some of their products and they always disappointed. Great video as always though lol!
I can see the appeal: Maybe playing a scary Horror title in VR and suddenly something " touches" you from behind or so. Or you play a shooter and it makes you feel " hitting" bullets better. However that needs to be designed/ supported by the game. If you just go with sound vibrations you could just as well strap a mini subwoofer to your chair...
I am a simple man, I see a Dawid video, I click on the Dawid video, and proceed to watch the Dawid video. I then gently caress the like button on said Dawid video until the button is satisfactorily pressed. I am a simple man.
The Razer logo made me think of Starship Invasions, a 1977 made in Canada sci fi cheapy starring Christopher Lee as a evil alien leading an invasion of Earth. opposed by good guy aliens and Robert Vaughan as an Earth scientist. The baddies have a lizard/dragon thing on their bodysuits that looks like the same person designed it. Not recommended unless you really love low budget '70s Canadian movies or have to see everything Lee has done.
Just get the Next Level Racing HF8 Haptic pad. It's almost half the price, more motors, more compatibility and you don't have to give a slimy company like Razor your money.
I run a Woojer Vest for more immersive music listening/gunfights in certain games. That works a lot better than having it buzz my ENTIRE CHAIR and the fact that it's basically six subwoofers strapped to me instead of these goofy phone vibrators mean I can actually pick the definition up for audio-based stuff. VR is the main market that haptics are actually selling to right now and it seems to be a toss-up between mechanical, audio-based mechanical, and electrostim feedback.
Get one of those bass shakers and do a comparison. Since it only vibrates during low frequencies, they'll probably be disappointing, but maybe you can find a use case.
These haptic pads already exist for simracing and simflight. (e.g. sim racing studio). They are realy good, not using sound but the inputs coming from the game.
Give it a go with SIMHUB software, I have heard it's uses the telemetry from the car to activate the haptics on other similar products. Might work on this Razor thing too.
Have you tried the bhaptics vests for VR they can also be used with normal pc games (in case a game has no native or mod integration it can use audio to haptic )
It seems like the devices NEEDS to read multi-channel audio properly to be a useful peripheral. it might be worth trying it on something really old school like say Super Mario
Uhhhh the most important game one the coming soon list is for sure Pinball so that you can feel the ball, become the ball, hitting and flipping between all the flippy flipper things
It’s a fun product if you have the spare income for it since it’s otherwise not needed. I’ve had it for a week and once you get it set up with per-game profiles it’s pretty dope. I agree it’s useless for FPS games, but it’s cool for other genres. BG3 dice rolls and spell casting feel more epic lol I also got it direct from Razer last month when they bundled it with a free Steam copy of Silent Hill 2 so I thought “why not?”
For games without the tailormade support, couldnt it just act as a controller and vibrate when a controller would? So many games already has that built in, so translating audio to vibration seems so not intuitive. Also, is it possible to do some homebrew coding for it? I see potential for games that has a big modding community like racing games(I think some has mod support) or like GTA. Feeling a rumbling V8 in the butt would be kinda cool. Also, why introduce potential latency by making it wireless when its already powered with a cable? A usb cable along that wouldnt add any issues if the usb could have some magnet plug similar to a Macbook or whatever.
I wonder if part of the problem is that he is trying it on a proper ergo-chair that will be absorbing some of the vibrations rather than giving the motors something to push off...
I wonder…. Can each of the vibration pads be separated to different channels if picked up by simhub? If not…. £200+ is a hell of a lot of money for something you can make yourself which works better for about £85
The first thing I do when I get a new phone is turn off the haptic feedback. When I start a new game on the PS5 or Switch I look for how to turn off haptic feedback. I fucking hate the feeling of my controller buzzing in my hand. I certainly don't want my chair buzzing.
Can't wait to play PC Build Simulator 2 with haptic feedback. I hope they get the back pain from being hunched over a PC case just right.
I noticed that too! What the hell?
I'm really looking forward to feeling the tiny but soul shattering "clink" as a fan mount screw falls off the tip of your screwdriver, bounces off the interior of the case and gets lost under the (already installed) motherboard. That's what's missing from gaming.
You will definitely feel the side panel shatter on a tile floor.
nah, it's all about feeling it when you get yelled at by customers, or when you make the PSU explode.
Ah, yes, the still underdeveloped market for hentai game haptics...
Umm... Razer? WHY....
Hentai game haptics, you have my attention
Oh you poor innocent individual ... if oyu only knew ... you would be scarred for life. LOL
Hentai game faptics*
I'm now interested
Real future - need to install drivers for butt pad...
But is it a subscription?
@@TheSolidSnakeOil yes
And some russian hacker started installing malware that electrocutes you
@@Marbeary Sign me up. Gag included?
Fine. I'll behave. -_-
Maybe they will plug and play bit that sounds kinda sus
I suspect bass shakers feel way more immersive even at inaudible volume levels due to rumbling the whole chair rather than just vibrating against your body.
There's no doubt about that. Something like this (implemented correctly) has it's usecase if a bass shaker shaking your entire rig could, or rather would, annoy your neighbours for example.
Still, I'd say it's completely unnecessary.
@@noneofyourbusiness4294 Most things are completely unnecessary. And you most definitely don't buy a product like this out of necessity, either. You buy something like this because you have disposable income and are curious to try out the gimmicky technology for yourself and are okay with the associated risks of buying a product like this.
Needs Lovense integration to reach its real market
LOL
Both are based in Singapore, so it'd be easy for both to collaborate together on this 😂
I immediately thought you would try racing games only to find them sub-par, and then go on to reveal the "ultimate" use case - horror games. I think it may have some potential for very jumpscare based games for more scary immersion.
"136KG isn't an absurd amount".
My neighbor is around this weight and his car suspension sags when he get in.
It's not an absurd weight for the target audience* 😂
LMFAO
That's some loose suspension though and couldn't handle a family of 5 which would weight way into the 200s.
136KG is these days just a regular obese tall guy. People on mobility scooters and those who's geometry approaches that of a sphere, you are talking about someone way fatter than 136kg, closer to 200. I'd call that to be the "absurd amount."
It depends on where you're from. 85 KG is the mean weight here in the UK for example, while in the US 90 KG is the mean weight (for men). Of course, this isn't counting people who are over 6 foot tall and play sports, as apparently, for SOME reason, 130 KG is a "healthy" weight for them. No I'm being serious, some people actually think that. Even though they have a belly like a Buddha and moobs. That sure sounds healthy.
@@Deja117Shaquille O'Neal was 330 lbs (~150 kgs) when he was at his peak of physical fitness, he didn't have an ounce of excess fat at the time. To be fair, at 7'2" (~ 220cm) he's not exactly an average sized man, and he was also far above average in muscle mass (both absolute and relative). But my point is that... ummm.... these are facts that I know, and now you know them too. No need to thank me.
This fits neatly into the long list of Razer products where the software is more of an afterthought - beyond collecting your delicious personal data, of course.
Ain't that the truth?
You mean where the whole product seems like an afterthought? With Razer, it's all about the price, the product and its software are inconsequential.
@@megachonk9440 Yeah...no idea how these guys still exist, like everything they do someone else already makes better. And it doesnt have "MSI" syndrome.
Something you might consider looking at for simracing with the haptic pad is a software called simhub. It allows you to use the telemetry from ingame and match it up to the vibration motors you can set it to engine revs, ABS, Traction control whatever you choose and adjust the values of each it may work with the razor pad and its worth a look considering the software is free.
this thing is most DEFINITELY for some weird ass vrchat stuff
5:41 haptic feedback coming soon for "PC Building Simulator 2".
Why would you need your butt and back to vibrate when building a virtual PC?
I have a couple hundred hours in that game and I have zero clue what they would do besides maybe have it work with the in-game music lol
Mabe they wold also add a mode were you could get attacked be an angry consumer if you don't fix his computer properly, that the haptic feedback will let you feel while playing.
@@yaniv_akrishI came here to say this.
I once had a guy near Christmas (when I couldn't get his preferred model of monitor in stock) threaten to break my legs.
I referred his complaint to my supervisor, who was an ex-boxer.
Microsoft Flight sim pilots love this stuff. I don't have it, but they say it actually helps you fly better, feel the landing, feel flight controls, etc....
Chair for a dating sims?
Nah, wrong product.
@@Njazmoit's just a first part of whole new products lineup) Waiting collab with pornhub))
Items like these remind me of Nintendo and Sega accessories of the 90s when I grew up. Just random pieces of "tech" that was sold to you with promises of becoming a gaming deity.
Yep, when the only thing that really helped was a controller with a turbo feature, or a joystick... (I loved my big NES joystick pad).
Dawid becoming the tech tuber that reviews vibrating and pulsating PC peripherals and I am for it.
Random haptic accessories started showing up and failing what like 10+ years ago, yet big companies still think it's a good idea to push more out without making the investment into large scale game support.
razer always makes ridiculous stuff, its entertaining honestly
Cant wait for the full body suit haptic outfits so that when im punched in game by a boss, im on the floor cringing questioning my life decisions
How to sum up this video "Oh yes, when you touch the slider, it does things to you" 🤣
Well, hell! That's got me sold!!
“Vibrate like it was about to climax” lmaooooo
Why not simply intercept the vibration signal from joysticks, or the steering wheel?
Glad you brought Tarkov back into the testing rotation. I had a similar thought as you for use case when I saw snow runner as coming soon and thought about truck driving sims and racing sims being a great use case.
I feel like 299 lbs is actually quite a bit :')
That's like, .9 American Gamers
That's over twice my "American gamer" weight.
Dawid with such a casual flex on owning probably the best (and one of the most expensive) office chair in existence haha.
We sell something similar at Walmart in automotive for like 40 bucks lol
They are probably better too 😅
@zeronin4696 lol I was jk but we sell a massage thing that probably works just as well it seems 😅
The reason they aren't pushing it for sim racing is likely the fact that better specialized solutions already exist so they don't want to actively compete.
6'2 and 139kg is class 2 obese. Sure, not absurd, but a more than reasonable weight limit. Certainly more reasonable than the farce of an idea it is in the first place. My regular *Ikea* chair was around $330. This thing is gonna be uncomfortable as fuck.
edit: holy shit it4s just the pad... I'm beyond done with gaming peripheral shit...
299 lbs is actually quite an absurd amount! Love the vid btw!
I had never heard of a Hairmon Miller chair until today.
Have you ever thought of doing any tarkov streaming?Would love to see how your tarkov experience is. It's been such a love/hate relationship type of game for me.
Seems like they didn’t get the idea right....😅
Wait till they update the software a bit more and try it again later, i suggest.. 👽
"When you touch the slider, it does things to you."
Complaining about the 300lb weight limit on your movement vibration chair simulator... is a tell tale sign that it's time to go outside and discover what real movement feels like.
I think its could work really well in horror games like Outlast. I could see myself hiding in a locker and the haptics actuating with the footsteps of the big baddie getting more and more intense as they get closer.
Maybe with Simhub integration this can be further developed for racing games?
Can it be controlled through Simhub? Simhub is usually go to software to control all kinds of generic haptic devices for simracing, it has a ton of premade effects for triggering ABS, traction control, wheelspin etc, could be worth a try.
When I saw the advertisement for this, I knew immediately that I am never going to waste my money on it. Razer already has a crap reputation for 'Develop then Discontinue' I can't see them changing for this pad.
As in archaeology, if you can't figure out what a thing is for, that means it was probably for "recreational purposes"
Never been impressed with Razer stuff, I swear they just make utter junk. I've bought some of their products and they always disappointed. Great video as always though lol!
How much crazy stuff is Razer gonna make?
i got rhe sim racing studio version of this and it's amazing. Compatible with like a hundred games, you should try it instead of the razor one.
I love Dawid and his vibrators 😍
I will say that looks like it would make a great driver car seat cover
I can see the appeal: Maybe playing a scary Horror title in VR and suddenly something " touches" you from behind or so. Or you play a shooter and it makes you feel " hitting" bullets better.
However that needs to be designed/ supported by the game. If you just go with sound vibrations you could just as well strap a mini subwoofer to your chair...
10:08 gotta love the name of that product.
2 minutes in so this is for racing games
New Dawid video, gonna be a good day.
1080P Chairs are awesome!
So many potential jokes about this product, but most would probably trip the UA-cam comment filters.
I am a simple man, I see a Dawid video, I click on the Dawid video, and proceed to watch the Dawid video. I then gently caress the like button on said Dawid video until the button is satisfactorily pressed. I am a simple man.
7:20 Its ur problem that u want to think with ur butt 😂
The Razer logo made me think of Starship Invasions, a 1977 made in Canada sci fi cheapy starring Christopher Lee as a evil alien leading an invasion of Earth. opposed by good guy aliens and Robert Vaughan as an Earth scientist. The baddies have a lizard/dragon thing on their bodysuits that looks like the same person designed it. Not recommended unless you really love low budget '70s Canadian movies or have to see everything Lee has done.
Just get the Next Level Racing HF8 Haptic pad.
It's almost half the price, more motors, more compatibility and you don't have to give a slimy company like Razor your money.
I run a Woojer Vest for more immersive music listening/gunfights in certain games. That works a lot better than having it buzz my ENTIRE CHAIR and the fact that it's basically six subwoofers strapped to me instead of these goofy phone vibrators mean I can actually pick the definition up for audio-based stuff.
VR is the main market that haptics are actually selling to right now and it seems to be a toss-up between mechanical, audio-based mechanical, and electrostim feedback.
Is it bad? Do you have to install synapse? Then yes.
I used to work for Lifeline fire and saftey in Coventry we used to make quick relase for the steering wheel
Games have had controller rumblepacks since the late 90s, maybe if it was aligned with rumbling it would be better?
Get one of those bass shakers and do a comparison. Since it only vibrates during low frequencies, they'll probably be disappointing, but maybe you can find a use case.
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The aspect ratio is lovely Mr overly gentle Dawid sir
These haptic pads already exist for simracing and simflight. (e.g. sim racing studio). They are realy good, not using sound but the inputs coming from the game.
I love the infomercial-y "Hi, Billy Razer here!" price dropping.
Also this is just Ultrakill's Buttplug I/O integration, but less fun.
12:00 kinda makes sense though, high revving engine balances itself out, but then again, how often irl does the idling engine shake the car
0:49 WOW! Remember when Dawid had a proper haircut and well-kept beard?
Does it work through Simhub? That might be able to fix what your issues are, activating once the car does something like breaks traction
Give it a go with SIMHUB software, I have heard it's uses the telemetry from the car to activate the haptics on other similar products. Might work on this Razor thing too.
F1 24 was the first thing that came to mind when i saw this
Have you tried the bhaptics vests for VR they can also be used with normal pc games (in case a game has no native or mod integration it can use audio to haptic )
Every time I see Dawid shift on the left my brain breaks. Those wild Namibians
love your vids my guy!
11:56 Many engines shake more at lower speeds.
The wasted space in that accessory box - they could have easily included a box of tissues.
It seems like the devices NEEDS to read multi-channel audio properly to be a useful peripheral.
it might be worth trying it on something really old school like say Super Mario
Uhhhh the most important game one the coming soon list is for sure Pinball so that you can feel the ball, become the ball, hitting and flipping between all the flippy flipper things
I would like to see it in combat flight simulators, especially space themed.
I still have a couple of haptic back cushions from about 15 years ago - fun for five minutes but that was about it!
Should do a comparison with the Next Level Racing HF8 Haptic Gaming Pad which has been around a while now, also Simhub allows more detailed control.
I am slightly disappointed you didn't get 3 more of these and setup a LAN with Duke Nukem 3D. You'd be able to FEEL your mate kick you in the bum!
It’s a fun product if you have the spare income for it since it’s otherwise not needed. I’ve had it for a week and once you get it set up with per-game profiles it’s pretty dope. I agree it’s useless for FPS games, but it’s cool for other genres. BG3 dice rolls and spell casting feel more epic lol I also got it direct from Razer last month when they bundled it with a free Steam copy of Silent Hill 2 so I thought “why not?”
only fun use case for it I think would be horror games! that would be cool
When you got it out of the box, it looked to me like a futuristic body armor, with abs...
They would have been better off making an entire haptic feedback chair at that joke of a price.
They should've marketed it the way you did and called it the SPEED RAZER.
For games without the tailormade support, couldnt it just act as a controller and vibrate when a controller would? So many games already has that built in, so translating audio to vibration seems so not intuitive. Also, is it possible to do some homebrew coding for it? I see potential for games that has a big modding community like racing games(I think some has mod support) or like GTA. Feeling a rumbling V8 in the butt would be kinda cool.
Also, why introduce potential latency by making it wireless when its already powered with a cable? A usb cable along that wouldnt add any issues if the usb could have some magnet plug similar to a Macbook or whatever.
Frostpunk 2 is in the Xbox Game Pass
Never thought I would live long enough to see Dawid review "female assistant" devices...
We need a haptic feedback mouse and a haptic feedback keyboard.
I wonder if part of the problem is that he is trying it on a proper ergo-chair that will be absorbing some of the vibrations rather than giving the motors something to push off...
The chair is nice anyway Dawid, might give the Razer thing a swerve though
I wonder how it would fare as a music listening enhancement. How would it react to Ride of the Valkyres or The only thing they fear is you?
that razer price gaslighting needs to be a meme
Are you able to tune the haptic pad with sim hub? I use Dayton audio shakers for my rig and it needs sim hun to actually work.
Thanks for warning us about this dud.
Seems unnecessary
Really makes you feel like an assassin
Yeah I definitely do not think it would go for $999...
even pairing this thing to lovesense would make more sense than gaming with it.
I wonder…. Can each of the vibration pads be separated to different channels if picked up by simhub?
If not…. £200+ is a hell of a lot of money for something you can make yourself which works better for about £85
Razer can make you download 3Gb of software to change the RGB color on your keyboard, the keyboard itself is good, the software is baaaaaaaaaaaaad.
The first thing I do when I get a new phone is turn off the haptic feedback. When I start a new game on the PS5 or Switch I look for how to turn off haptic feedback. I fucking hate the feeling of my controller buzzing in my hand. I certainly don't want my chair buzzing.