You're rapidly proving to be one the best audio reviewers on the internet. To wit, you've specifically delineated the imaging performance and imaging differences between the two speakers. Even your response measurements are above what others do, as you show the FR at 3 different SPL's. I'm eagerly anticipating your comparison to the KEF R3 Meta, which are at the top of my list for purchase.
That is so nice, thank you so much for the positive feedback and support. I was feeling a bit off the day I recorded this video and was worried people would pick up on it.
I second the point on imaging. I feel like we can all look at specs, we can correct bass/treble to our liking (to a certain extent), but what I need from a reviewer is how they image, what the soundstage is like, a sense of openness, speed, etc. the vague things that specs don’t cover. (Also - enough with the sound samples…. Most of us are listening to a recording of a recording through bad bandwidth on a phone speaker or headphones. I can hear your room - can’t really hear the speakers.
@AV-Obsessed Multi-Amped for two rooms that are connected to each other. The home was built in the 1900s early so it has large rooms and tall ceilings, but I don't want too large and obtrusive speakers.
@WayneHatfieldBrotherRidge look into Fluance. Even their elite line pounds... but the reference XL8F speakers sound big! They're smaller than they sound look good I think. Cheap! Powerful.
Thanks a lot for your work. It helped decide to purchase the Concertos (along with the Marantz M1). Your videos are easy to understand and less "scientific" compared to some other reviewers. Keep it up! Cheers all the way from Denmark.
I have heard KEF concerto. As well Monitor Audio silver 300 g7, B&W 703, klipsch rp8000f II. As in planes of chaging my current Wharfedale set. Did not hear Elac. But have to say KEF sounded close 3d. I was amazed how it maged to drop the sound in the space with such a precision and lioked like the sound comes feom 3rd dimension. It was kind of magical. And that was in AVR Yamaha for £3500. Oh and Monitor Audio silver 300 been very close. Yet the staging on KEF was so much better.
On your recommendation, I purchased the DB3's. I am still auditioning them. So far, I'm impressed. They sound quite musical while retaining a few elements of studio monitor precision. Their only weakness has been sound staging, and the bass output just seems to be slightly enhanced. I haven't auditioned KEF's A Concerto's. What I can say is that I have listened to a fair amount of speakers over the years. These include a few of KEF's iterations. From my little experiences with them, I would say that dollar for dollar, the KEF's are distinguishable. One gets a sound brand. And, for what KEF charges for any of their speakers, one finds a bargain. The difference? The Elacs deliver a very good musical performance. KEF? Get the right ones and you are in for an experience. One that takes you beyond music. If I had the money, I would spring for the KEF, but I don't. So, it's the ELAC's. Thankfully, they hold my attention in a good way. One last note. Elacs are really sensitive to their inputs. One can pretty much configure their sound by having the right combination of cable wires, amplifier, and digital sound compression software.
If you have a receiver with dirac live try that. It is absolutely night and day, and will probably hold you over until you can afford kefs (That's what I am doing rn since I had no surround sound system at all, and didnt want to spend 3k+ on a new one with other bills in my life haha).
I agree with you a 100%. I love what you get with the Elac . 90% most people won’t miss the 10% the kEF gets you . Most people like me are passive listeners and not over analytical sitting and dissecting what they are hearing and judging the speakers performance . I just enjoy listening while cleaning the house or some chore with music in the background . If I buy any bookshelf speakers they will be purchased with the intent of adding a REL T series subwoofer and only REL as I love REL after owning 7 other subs . I’m curious if anyone might have an opinion on what 2 way bookshelf has the best midrange and highs ? Great fun video 🎉
Midrange is pretty important if you want to hear good metal/hardrock music. I don't understand why they leave the midrange speaker out nowadays. Most speakers used to be 3 way back in the day?
Andrew Jones is master class at making crossovers...His cheaper speakers get less quality components but still sound great. His high end speakers really shine and out perform speakers well above their price range. Been a fan of Andrew Jone speakers since the Pioneer BS22s $100.00 pair at Best Buy years ago...Price to performance is were Andrew Jones is KING!!!
Showcases the difference between a 1300 pair that meets expectations vs a 450 pair that exceeds expectations. Speakers are getting so good across that a majority of the difference between price categories is just the visual design & quality of the cabinet.
Did you measure with the speakers next to each other like you showed us in the video? Just moving the speakers 6 inches could account for the frequency response change below 300hz as that is all room dominated. I would attribute those deeper nulls to the fact that they weren't measured in exactly the same spot.
No, I measure the speaker in the most ideal position I can find by ear and that is also how they are in the sound comparison clips. I first find what position makes them sound best by ear and then measure and try adjusting from there and re-measuring to try and tune them in even more. I do this for each speaker and measure them and record them for the sound clips separately The only time they are on the stands next to each other is when I am A/B listening.
5:50 " *Pretty noticeable* in the Elacs . . .a *bit smoother* in the KEFs". So, a dip still can be heard in the KEFs. Hmm.. . I'll go with the Elacs and be happy.
I have the db53 and df53, they both are just as good as the 6 inch models imo, but I also have a smaller theater/listening space. Probably more a matter of size of space being the difference where 6 series would shine.
I find the Kef to be more open. To me the Elac is closed and not as clean. I would probably shop a used or close out higher priced speaker instead of buy the Elac
I'd imagine difference is to be expected with the massive difference in price range, kefs being 3 to 4+ times the price per speaker, but aside from that note, I'll add that I got a debut 3.0 surround sound setup. Ran dirac live and it solved a lot of the imaging issues both in surround and stereo. I wonder how both compare after a dirac correction (and this was only a 3 pt correction so far). I'd love a kef setup someday but rn 1500 for a full surround system vs 3k+ for the equivalent kef, is making me wait for used or until i have that money to burn. Even then, these debut 3.0s with dirac are great. (Lx505 here).
The Elac sounds muffled a lot. Specially in Song 2 and last one it was crazy noticeable. Rest of the songs it is there too but dint stand out much as 2nd one and last one. Oh and even though it dint come through a lot in the recordings but even here Elac seemed to be flat 2D while KEF seems to push to be 3D in nature. It is trying to create that depth of field. I think having such wide dispersion pattern not helping a lot but still doing better job than Elac.
@@TruthTube1111 Just compare 2nd and last tracks go back to back. Instead of listening full tracks compare small bursts it will be clearly noticeable. Specially on those 2 tracks it is a lot noticeable.
I had this with my full 5 series elac 3.0 set at first. Dirac live absolutely got rid of that. My friend brought over his kefs (150 and q7 series, as I was looking at buying that potentially), applying 3 point corrections to each, the elacs were hard to distinguish at that point. The only true 'defining' notable difference was a wider stage with the kefs, but I also have a smaller listening space so it didnt make a big enough difference for the difference in price to me. Will save up for a good kef system in the long term, but with the tuning, the elacs will serve most people, even long term audiophiles more than well enough for a while.
I STRONGLY recommend the Klipsch RP600M-II. They are AWESOME and $380 on AMAZON as of 11.30.24. The value for the price is unparalleled! I was leaning towards the Elac Debut 3.0 but I simply could not resist the Klipsch price of $380. I also have a Klipsch Subwoofer SW12 and Yamaha RX-V6A Receiver.
Wow, I haven't seen that sale price. I have seen the RP600M II has been on sale for $499 for a while and at that price I think I would go for the Elac DB63 but yeah, at $380 the Klipsch is a steal.
before you do your AB tests, do you make sure to pink noise level match? You should really buy a proper A-B speaker selector with volume adjustment in it so that you can do that as the difference in sensitivity will always make one speaker louder than the other and the ear typically will lean towards the louder speaker being the better speaker. A basic unit shouldn't cost much compared to any of the speakers you review and is an integral tool if you plan to dedicate a channel to speaker comparisons.
Sometimes the precise placement within the imaging and soundstage is not what I am looking for, especially when listening to choral music recorded in a church. Even when attending a live performance in an echoey cathedral, the precise imaging stops making sense...
Wharfedale Super Denton vs KEF concerto Meta wouldn´t that be a good one? It's the one I am thinking about...although that Blue Indigo of the R3 Meta...pfffff soooo good looking (but I won't do it). The Super Denton wins on the finish for sure (Concerto has a cheap finish). But what about the sound comparison?
This is a common misconception about speakers, having a speaker that is "exciting" doesn't mean that it has to be non-linear, it actually has to do more with better dynamics than anything else. I've not heard the Emotiva speakers but the Klipsch is very dynamic because of it's sensitivity.
The Elacs do seem to be a very dynamic speaker but the klipsch is more efficient so it will sound more dynamic with lower powered amps because the Elacs take some power to get the most out of them.
Love from India! I'm planning to upgrade my JBL stage A130 so was checking the Debut 3.0 DB63/Polk ES20/R100(though its not in my budget) going to pair with Denon PMA600-NE Could you please help me to select the speaker. And if possible share a budget music streamer. Many thanks & keep the good work go on.
I would go with the Elacs over the polk every day. Also a budget music streaming setup that sounds great is a WiiM Mini plugged into an SMSL SU-1 DAC. As a bonus, you can run the WiiM and SU-1 off of a portable battery bank for power with absolutely no noise and get an extremely clean and clear signal out of it.
The most dazzling attribute for me is imaging performance. Speakers disappearing, sound stage depth, width, and instrument placement precision. I have heard a lot of speakers. The vague nature or shall I say fuzzy placement of instruments from the Elacs... How would you say they compare to SS-CS5's or low budget JBL bookies ? I have some JBL 570's and 590's and have been considering the next jump up. JBL studio 5 series continue to dazzle me.
The imaging if ,I remember right, of even the new JBL Stage 250s was better than with the Elacs, but that is not enough to make them worth buying. The shouty mids and overall sub par frequency response is too much of a deal breaker with those, but the Studio 690 is a lot better.
@@AV-Obsessed Thanks for the info. I am not a purist so I can address tonality with EQ but there hasn't been a dial adjustment invented yet that can effect imaging performance. I already have 590's and 570's so my next thing should probably be some kind of Kef for imaging or what I think may be the end gamer for me... Source Point 888
Hi , great interesting video, so the kefs is a bigger enclosure so get more bass, I have a similar issue with my old B&W dm602s3 compared with my Elac ubr62 and my B&W 606s2 anniversary, I use a energy 8s sub with the elacs, the other speaker with better bass is the moniter audio silver100 7g, but elacs had good reviews only I bought open box £499 abs currently £649, the silver 100 now £799 in the Uk. What put me off a bit that the he silver 100 has plastic speaker spider cage.The new db62 at is price point extremely good price abd very good audio response I had hope that new kef would be veneer at that price. Interesting that my old B&w is actually veneer. The reason I want to change my speakers as I have a small listening area and old B&w are really large about 1/3 bigger over the elacs a 1nd overpowering. I use Rotel a11 tribute and has 2 sets of speakers outputs regards mark
The weight difference is in the extra driver in the KEF - I would say the ELAC is better built at a lower price point judging by the weight of the ELAC and dimensions compared to the KEF 🧐
I’m strongly considering the ELAC DF63 towers to replace my Polk 265-RT in-walls in my budget 5.2.4 home theater, but I noticed the Q750 is on sale for $449 right now which is $100 less than DF63! I can’t afford a whole KEF setup but I could do two towers. What would you recommend?
That is too broad of a question, a low cost AVR will not sound as good as a mid or upper tier integrated, but a high level AVR like my Marantz will sound better than a lower of mid tier integrated.
hi, have you considered putting in sound treatment / 244 bass traps ? I think it would help the sound a lot as well .. ( I have 10 panels and it helped my room ) all the best :)
@@AV-Obsessed They might not be attractive but you can put together floorstanding frames to attach your panels too. I think some treatment company's have their more expensive but nicer looking solutions to that as well. I rent an apartment so I'm likely building some simple stands out of Home Depot Pine.
Me suscribí, buen video y completo. Pero los Kef me parecieron muy superiores, el sonido de los kef me parecen más equilibrados en cuanto a la presencia de graves, medios y agudos. Por el contrario los Elac me parecieron que existia como dos altavoces separados, graves por un lado y agudos por el otro mientras la zona media un poco pobre.
I adjust the volume as well when I switch the speaker I am listening to, raising the volume 2 db when it's the Concertos and then dropping it by 2 when it's the Debuts, keeping it equal.
can u suggest if going for home theather, among this , which is better (1) elac debut 3 (2) KEF Q meta line (3) emotiva (4) studio. Having 2 front channels as full tower and bookshelf for the rest. which has better dyanmic swing and submersive sound?
I think the KEF Q Series Meta would probably be best for that but also most expensive. If the budget allows go for the KEF's but if not you could get a whole system from Elac for less than half the price and it will still sound very dynamic and immersive.
@@AV-Obsessed do u think using musical speaker like "Wharfedale's linton" suitable for movie use? i think the most important for me is the dynamic swing and the sudden explosive effect from movie. i just like the look of the heritage look in my living room...
To my ears through laptop speakers. The Elacs sound better more pleasing. The Kefs sound more bright and harsh. Now this is probably down to how I'm listening. I suspect more expensive speakers tend to come across as worse over youtube via laptops. Than a more simplistic pair of speakers do. I have noticed this on other review channels. Maybe speakers with better instrument separation and staging struggle more to come across as they would in the flesh.
You can't tell an accurate difference when you listen to 2 speakers side by side, other than both sounding crappy, because both are in the way of the other. There is a reason why drivers are centered in the middle of the box. The sound waves radiate out from speakers in spherical waves. It wraps around the speakers and you essentially added an extra (reflecting) baffle to one side of each speaker. You also need to level match the volume between the different sensitivities, so how can you "immediately" switch back and forth by only switching A and B? The way you are comparing is pretty much pointless. It's akin to comparing 2 cars for performance and compromising the tests by chaining them together.
These are all things I am fully aware of, there is really nothing I can do about the fact that some of the side wave reflections are compromised with the side by side comparisons but at least both speakers are effected by this method so neither is at a greater disadvantage than the other and as for the level matching I change the volume to match at the same time as switching from one speaker to the other to compensate for sensitivity differential. No comparison method is perfect but I still think this is the best way to do it for now, It is still very easy to observe the differences doing it this way.
Speakers require break in. Would say Elacs need 100 hours plus, don't know about KEF's, would say if AB testing both pairs should have same break in. If speakers being AB tested have same break in time (10- 25 hours) it would be a inaccurate review, over 100 hours is best.
You're rapidly proving to be one the best audio reviewers on the internet. To wit, you've specifically delineated the imaging performance and imaging differences between the two speakers. Even your response measurements are above what others do, as you show the FR at 3 different SPL's. I'm eagerly anticipating your comparison to the KEF R3 Meta, which are at the top of my list for purchase.
That is so nice, thank you so much for the positive feedback and support. I was feeling a bit off the day I recorded this video and was worried people would pick up on it.
I second the point on imaging. I feel like we can all look at specs, we can correct bass/treble to our liking (to a certain extent), but what I need from a reviewer is how they image, what the soundstage is like, a sense of openness, speed, etc. the vague things that specs don’t cover.
(Also - enough with the sound samples…. Most of us are listening to a recording of a recording through bad bandwidth on a phone speaker or headphones. I can hear your room - can’t really hear the speakers.
Solid review 🙏…..was literally hoping for this head to head comparison.
I now have two pairs of the Elac DB 63 .😊 Very happy
That's cool, are you doing surround sound with them or is it for two different rooms?
@AV-Obsessed Multi-Amped for two rooms that are connected to each other. The home was built in the 1900s early so it has large rooms and tall ceilings, but I don't want too large and obtrusive speakers.
@WayneHatfieldBrotherRidge look into Fluance. Even their elite line pounds... but the reference XL8F speakers sound big! They're smaller than they sound look good I think. Cheap! Powerful.
Thanks a lot for your work. It helped decide to purchase the Concertos (along with the Marantz M1). Your videos are easy to understand and less "scientific" compared to some other reviewers. Keep it up! Cheers all the way from Denmark.
I have heard KEF concerto. As well Monitor Audio silver 300 g7, B&W 703, klipsch rp8000f II.
As in planes of chaging my current Wharfedale set. Did not hear Elac. But have to say KEF sounded close 3d. I was amazed how it maged to drop the sound in the space with such a precision and lioked like the sound comes feom 3rd dimension. It was kind of magical. And that was in AVR Yamaha for £3500.
Oh and Monitor Audio silver 300 been very close. Yet the staging on KEF was so much better.
I've subscribed to your channel. You really deserve thousands og subs, real fast. I love your take on it. Keep up. Greetings from Norway.😁👍
Thanks for the support and super positive feedback!
Thanks for your update Jim. It is very much appreciated.
I am replacing my Edifier 1280b with a CA amp, the Elac DB63 and a SVS sub. Can’t wait !
That's going to be a big upgrade!
On your recommendation, I purchased the DB3's. I am still auditioning them. So far, I'm impressed. They sound quite musical while retaining a few elements of studio monitor precision. Their only weakness has been sound staging, and the bass output just seems to be slightly enhanced.
I haven't auditioned KEF's A Concerto's. What I can say is that I have listened to a fair amount of speakers over the years. These include a few of KEF's iterations. From my little experiences with them, I would say that dollar for dollar, the KEF's are distinguishable. One gets a sound brand. And, for what KEF charges for any of their speakers, one finds a bargain.
The difference? The Elacs deliver a very good musical performance. KEF? Get the right ones and you are in for an experience. One that takes you beyond music.
If I had the money, I would spring for the KEF, but I don't. So, it's the ELAC's. Thankfully, they hold my attention in a good way.
One last note. Elacs are really sensitive to their inputs. One can pretty much configure their sound by having the right combination of cable wires, amplifier, and digital sound compression software.
If you have a receiver with dirac live try that. It is absolutely night and day, and will probably hold you over until you can afford kefs (That's what I am doing rn since I had no surround sound system at all, and didnt want to spend 3k+ on a new one with other bills in my life haha).
Kef is such an attractive speaker.
I agree with you a 100%. I love what you get with the Elac . 90% most people won’t miss the 10% the kEF gets you . Most people like me are passive listeners and not over analytical sitting and dissecting what they are hearing and judging the speakers performance . I just enjoy listening while cleaning the house or some chore with music in the background . If I buy any bookshelf speakers they will be purchased with the intent of adding a REL T series subwoofer and only REL as I love REL after owning 7 other subs . I’m curious if anyone might have an opinion on what 2 way bookshelf has the best midrange and highs ? Great fun video 🎉
Interesting comparison. Both speakers are stunning the entry-level hifi world.
1000$ difference in Canada .. the KEF are not entry level here
Midrange is pretty important if you want to hear good metal/hardrock music. I don't understand why they leave the midrange speaker out nowadays. Most speakers used to be 3 way back in the day?
Andrew Jones is master class at making crossovers...His cheaper speakers get less quality components but still sound great. His high end speakers really shine and out perform speakers well above their price range. Been a fan of Andrew Jone speakers since the Pioneer BS22s $100.00 pair at Best Buy years ago...Price to performance is were Andrew Jones is KING!!!
Andrew Jones didn't have anything to do with the Debut 3.0 DB63s.
Showcases the difference between a 1300 pair that meets expectations vs a 450 pair that exceeds expectations. Speakers are getting so good across that a majority of the difference between price categories is just the visual design & quality of the cabinet.
Well you also seem to get a speaker with much better imaging with the more expensive speakers.
The Concertos more than meet expectations. They are setting a new standard at their price point.
Did you measure with the speakers next to each other like you showed us in the video? Just moving the speakers 6 inches could account for the frequency response change below 300hz as that is all room dominated. I would attribute those deeper nulls to the fact that they weren't measured in exactly the same spot.
No, I measure the speaker in the most ideal position I can find by ear and that is also how they are in the sound comparison clips. I first find what position makes them sound best by ear and then measure and try adjusting from there and re-measuring to try and tune them in even more. I do this for each speaker and measure them and record them for the sound clips separately The only time they are on the stands next to each other is when I am A/B listening.
5:50 " *Pretty noticeable* in the Elacs . . .a *bit smoother* in the KEFs". So, a dip still can be heard in the KEFs. Hmm.. . I'll go with the Elacs and be happy.
Thought the KEFs def had a richer and fuller sound but kinda preferred the highs of the Elacs
Love to see the comparison video between Elac's 2.0 vs 3.0 series couldn't find any content yet:(
I've noticed that as well, maybe I need to get the DB62s to do it myself.
There is one on YT. Search: Elac Debut 3.0 piyanas electric
@@AV-Obsessedmaybe dbr62 vs b6.3?
I dont see any review on Elac Debut 3.0 DB53...
I have the db53 and df53, they both are just as good as the 6 inch models imo, but I also have a smaller theater/listening space. Probably more a matter of size of space being the difference where 6 series would shine.
Cheapaudio man has already done a review between DB53 & DB63
Good job. One suggestion: Please tag your graphs with the amount of smooting used. Thanks
Will do, I've been using 1/6 smoothing.
I find the Kef to be more open. To me the Elac is closed and not as clean. I would probably shop a used or close out higher priced speaker instead of buy the Elac
I'd imagine difference is to be expected with the massive difference in price range, kefs being 3 to 4+ times the price per speaker, but aside from that note, I'll add that I got a debut 3.0 surround sound setup. Ran dirac live and it solved a lot of the imaging issues both in surround and stereo. I wonder how both compare after a dirac correction (and this was only a 3 pt correction so far). I'd love a kef setup someday but rn 1500 for a full surround system vs 3k+ for the equivalent kef, is making me wait for used or until i have that money to burn. Even then, these debut 3.0s with dirac are great. (Lx505 here).
😅😅😅elac plus a good sub for the kef price. Any question. 👍🇩🇪
Acoustic Energy AE500 is so much better then KEF!!
The Elac sounds muffled a lot. Specially in Song 2 and last one it was crazy noticeable. Rest of the songs it is there too but dint stand out much as 2nd one and last one. Oh and even though it dint come through a lot in the recordings but even here Elac seemed to be flat 2D while KEF seems to push to be 3D in nature. It is trying to create that depth of field. I think having such wide dispersion pattern not helping a lot but still doing better job than Elac.
Define muffled please as I could not hear that description anywhere.
@@TruthTube1111 Just compare 2nd and last tracks go back to back. Instead of listening full tracks compare small bursts it will be clearly noticeable. Specially on those 2 tracks it is a lot noticeable.
I had this with my full 5 series elac 3.0 set at first. Dirac live absolutely got rid of that. My friend brought over his kefs (150 and q7 series, as I was looking at buying that potentially), applying 3 point corrections to each, the elacs were hard to distinguish at that point. The only true 'defining' notable difference was a wider stage with the kefs, but I also have a smaller listening space so it didnt make a big enough difference for the difference in price to me. Will save up for a good kef system in the long term, but with the tuning, the elacs will serve most people, even long term audiophiles more than well enough for a while.
I STRONGLY recommend the Klipsch RP600M-II. They are AWESOME and $380 on AMAZON as of 11.30.24. The value for the price is unparalleled! I was leaning towards the Elac Debut 3.0 but I simply could not resist the Klipsch price of $380. I also have a Klipsch Subwoofer SW12 and Yamaha RX-V6A Receiver.
Wow, I haven't seen that sale price. I have seen the RP600M II has been on sale for $499 for a while and at that price I think I would go for the Elac DB63 but yeah, at $380 the Klipsch is a steal.
before you do your AB tests, do you make sure to pink noise level match? You should really buy a proper A-B speaker selector with volume adjustment in it so that you can do that as the difference in sensitivity will always make one speaker louder than the other and the ear typically will lean towards the louder speaker being the better speaker. A basic unit shouldn't cost much compared to any of the speakers you review and is an integral tool if you plan to dedicate a channel to speaker comparisons.
I do alway level match to compensate for sensitivity differences but yes, a quality speaker switcher would make it easier.
Sometimes the precise placement within the imaging and soundstage is not what I am looking for, especially when listening to choral music recorded in a church. Even when attending a live performance in an echoey cathedral, the precise imaging stops making sense...
Wharfedale Super Denton vs KEF concerto Meta wouldn´t that be a good one? It's the one I am thinking about...although that Blue Indigo of the R3 Meta...pfffff soooo good looking (but I won't do it). The Super Denton wins on the finish for sure (Concerto has a cheap finish). But what about the sound comparison?
I haven't heard any Wharfedales, but definitely would like to.
For Rock & Metal, do you recommend ELAC Debut 3.0 or RP600?
I have Emotiva B1+ and it’s too linear / tame for me. I want more excitement
This is a common misconception about speakers, having a speaker that is "exciting" doesn't mean that it has to be non-linear, it actually has to do more with better dynamics than anything else. I've not heard the Emotiva speakers but the Klipsch is very dynamic because of it's sensitivity.
@@AV-Obsessed would you consider the ELAC Debut 3.0 dynamic or exciting?
The Elacs do seem to be a very dynamic speaker but the klipsch is more efficient so it will sound more dynamic with lower powered amps because the Elacs take some power to get the most out of them.
@ was this RP600 or RP600 ii?
RP-600M II
KEF Concerto Meta vs ELAC Unifi UB5 (both 3 way speakers and both 4 ohms impedance).
It has been a long time since I heard the UB52 and it was not in my own room but I think the UB52 is a much warmer sounding speaker.
Love from India!
I'm planning to upgrade my JBL stage A130 so was checking the Debut 3.0 DB63/Polk ES20/R100(though its not in my budget) going to pair with Denon PMA600-NE
Could you please help me to select the speaker.
And if possible share a budget music streamer.
Many thanks & keep the good work go on.
I would go with the Elacs over the polk every day. Also a budget music streaming setup that sounds great is a WiiM Mini plugged into an SMSL SU-1 DAC. As a bonus, you can run the WiiM and SU-1 off of a portable battery bank for power with absolutely no noise and get an extremely clean and clear signal out of it.
The most dazzling attribute for me is imaging performance. Speakers disappearing, sound stage depth, width, and instrument placement precision. I have heard a lot of speakers. The vague nature or shall I say fuzzy placement of instruments from the Elacs... How would you say they compare to SS-CS5's or low budget JBL bookies ? I have some JBL 570's and 590's and have been considering the next jump up.
JBL studio 5 series continue to dazzle me.
The imaging if ,I remember right, of even the new JBL Stage 250s was better than with the Elacs, but that is not enough to make them worth buying. The shouty mids and overall sub par frequency response is too much of a deal breaker with those, but the Studio 690 is a lot better.
@@AV-Obsessed I haven't heard them but my hunch is their Stage a130's were better. I have some, they seem fine.
@@AV-Obsessed Thanks for the info. I am not a purist so I can address tonality with EQ but there hasn't been a dial adjustment invented yet that can effect imaging performance.
I already have 590's and 570's so my next thing should probably be some kind of Kef for imaging or what I think may be the end gamer for me... Source Point 888
Hi , great interesting video, so the kefs is a bigger enclosure so get more bass, I have a similar issue with my old B&W dm602s3 compared with my Elac ubr62 and my B&W 606s2 anniversary, I use a energy 8s sub with the elacs, the other speaker with better bass is the moniter audio silver100 7g, but elacs had good reviews only I bought open box £499 abs currently £649, the silver 100 now £799 in the Uk. What put me off a bit that the he silver 100 has plastic speaker spider cage.The new db62 at is price point extremely good price abd very good audio response I had hope that new kef would be veneer at that price. Interesting that my old B&w is actually veneer. The reason I want to change my speakers as I have a small listening area and old B&w are really large about 1/3 bigger over the elacs a 1nd overpowering. I use Rotel a11 tribute and has 2 sets of speakers outputs regards mark
The weight difference is in the extra driver in the KEF - I would say the ELAC is better built at a lower price point judging by the weight of the ELAC and dimensions compared to the KEF 🧐
I’m strongly considering the ELAC DF63 towers to replace my Polk 265-RT in-walls in my budget 5.2.4 home theater, but I noticed the Q750 is on sale for $449 right now which is $100 less than DF63! I can’t afford a whole KEF setup but I could do two towers. What would you recommend?
I would go with the Elac's, I was not a big fan of the last gen KEF Q Series.
For music listening, do u think using intergrated amp is better than av amp?? Or no different.
That is too broad of a question, a low cost AVR will not sound as good as a mid or upper tier integrated, but a high level AVR like my Marantz will sound better than a lower of mid tier integrated.
Great review, cut the music shorter they get boring. It should be quicker and more often
hi, have you considered putting in sound treatment / 244 bass traps ? I think it would help the sound a lot as well .. ( I have 10 panels and it helped my room ) all the best :)
That is something I want to do but I rent so I need some that don't need to be glued to the walls.
@@AV-Obsessed the 244 bass traps stand on their own accord I have the standing in my room because I don't want to drill into the walls :)
@@AV-Obsessed They might not be attractive but you can put together floorstanding frames to attach your panels too. I think some treatment company's have their more expensive but nicer looking solutions to that as well. I rent an apartment so I'm likely building some simple stands out of Home Depot Pine.
Me suscribí, buen video y completo. Pero los Kef me parecieron muy superiores, el sonido de los kef me parecen más equilibrados en cuanto a la presencia de graves, medios y agudos. Por el contrario los Elac me parecieron que existia como dos altavoces separados, graves por un lado y agudos por el otro mientras la zona media un poco pobre.
Many years ago,I had Q150 and dissapointed with craftmanship.After that,I always check it out that China made or not whenever I have seen KEF.
I also used to own the old KDF Q series and was not happy with them but the new ones are a huge improvement.
So if u A/B they dont have the same DB rating, hard to soundmatch that way
I adjust the volume as well when I switch the speaker I am listening to, raising the volume 2 db when it's the Concertos and then dropping it by 2 when it's the Debuts, keeping it equal.
Elac sounds so much clearer
Not to me but for the price they are close.
Strange to me that the treble measures quite similarly, but only the kefs subjectively sound kind of harsh.
I think that may be something to do with the recording or youtube compression, there is no harshness with them in person.
What you are hearing is detail, not harshness. But they do sound best with warmer amps.
can u suggest if going for home theather, among this , which is better (1) elac debut 3 (2) KEF Q meta line (3) emotiva (4) studio. Having 2 front channels as full tower and bookshelf for the rest. which has better dyanmic swing and submersive sound?
I think the KEF Q Series Meta would probably be best for that but also most expensive. If the budget allows go for the KEF's but if not you could get a whole system from Elac for less than half the price and it will still sound very dynamic and immersive.
@@AV-Obsessed do u think using musical speaker like "Wharfedale's linton" suitable for movie use? i think the most important for me is the dynamic swing and the sudden explosive effect from movie. i just like the look of the heritage look in my living room...
If i was to chose from this alone, the elacs have better sound to me
The elac sounded smoother, more open, bigger soundstage, more cohesive….😮
I would buy the Elac + a subwoofer instead of the Kefs
Not a bad plan.
To my ears through laptop speakers. The Elacs sound better more pleasing. The Kefs sound more bright and harsh. Now this is probably down to how I'm listening. I suspect more expensive speakers tend to come across as worse over youtube via laptops. Than a more simplistic pair of speakers do. I have noticed this on other review channels. Maybe speakers with better instrument separation and staging struggle more to come across as they would in the flesh.
Yeah, if you have any headphones or earbuds, try that. The difference will be clearer.
I think that the mid , bass are much better on the Kef. They are clearer, high’s are good too , could be toned down a tad. I like them.
You can't tell an accurate difference when you listen to 2 speakers side by side, other than both sounding crappy, because both are in the way of the other. There is a reason why drivers are centered in the middle of the box. The sound waves radiate out from speakers in spherical waves. It wraps around the speakers and you essentially added an extra (reflecting) baffle to one side of each speaker. You also need to level match the volume between the different sensitivities, so how can you "immediately" switch back and forth by only switching A and B? The way you are comparing is pretty much pointless. It's akin to comparing 2 cars for performance and compromising the tests by chaining them together.
These are all things I am fully aware of, there is really nothing I can do about the fact that some of the side wave reflections are compromised with the side by side comparisons but at least both speakers are effected by this method so neither is at a greater disadvantage than the other and as for the level matching I change the volume to match at the same time as switching from one speaker to the other to compensate for sensitivity differential. No comparison method is perfect but I still think this is the best way to do it for now, It is still very easy to observe the differences doing it this way.
Can't hear any different between these speakers
Yeah, it is hard to hear but there is a difference. It is easier if you are watching while wearing good headphones.
elac any day. money would have to be no consideration to buy kefs.
Brewster said it the best; "None Of The Above!"
Metric please ….
'MERICA!
Speakers require break in. Would say Elacs need 100 hours plus, don't know about KEF's, would say if AB testing both pairs should have same break in. If speakers being AB tested have same break in time (10- 25 hours) it would be a inaccurate review, over 100 hours is best.
That is why I run both sets of speakers for at least a week before measuring and making these comparison videos.
Gosh. Imperial measurements like its 1774
Sorry, I'm an american. lol
They both sound muffled..my q 3020is sound way better
I have the 3020is as well..there really hard to beat for there price..I have a azur 851a & wiim ultra to a smsl d300 and svs1000 sub..sounds fantastic
Which speaker's working now?