Which is Better? Budget Bookshelf Battle Elac Debut 3.0 DB63 Vs. Klipsch RP-600M II

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  • @wynkoop2000
    @wynkoop2000 Місяць тому +31

    I have both. I can confirm most of these observations, but I think room plays a bigger role than many realize. I have mine in a fairly small room and have a been happy with both. For example, both are able to throw sound effects out to my side when watching movies, although I think the Elac does a slightly better job of this. I do get a decent phantom channel run my Elacs, but it is a little more distinct from the Klipsch. In my observation, the Elacs do create the described large soundstage at the front plane of the speakers, but do throw sound from movies beyond that plane. The Klipsch sound like the sound is coming from a couple feet in front of the speakers (I’m guessing that’s the horns at work) and are also capable of 3D effects. Tonality, there is a really interesting distinction. The Elacs have the full spectrum of sound, but the Klipsch feel a bit hollow in the midrange during AB testing (I suspect EQ could help this). For example, while AB testing I was listening to Johnny Cash Solitary Man, Johnny’s vocals sounded artificially low on the Klipsch compared to the Elacs and Tom Petty’s harmonies sounded thinner and more shrill. The Klipsch also feel like someone turned up the reverb. I heard one reviewer compare different speakers saying using one is like listening to the music while the other is listening to the speaker, which in my experience applies here. If I were to sum up their differences, I would say listening to the Elac’s is like listening in close quarters in the same room as the performer, where the Klipsch feel like in in a concert listening through a good PA system. Both are great, just depends on whether you want to have an up close and personal (and accurate) experience with your music or if you want to relive your last concert. Honestly, you really can’t go wrong with either.

    • @MasterofPlay7
      @MasterofPlay7 Місяць тому +2

      It really depends on your amp

    • @FoxGhost7
      @FoxGhost7 Місяць тому +1

      What about the bass on the Elac? Like the old Debut series was kinda lofi HiFi round while the 600m-ii have really precise, tight bass. Drums are simply amazing in definition and impact and Electronic beats can hit so hard it makes me sweat. I could live with the lower treble/mid resolution of the old Debuts, which have a lovely tonality, but definitely not with the bass.

    • @wynkoop2000
      @wynkoop2000 Місяць тому +4

      @ The 3.0 have excellent bass, fairly similar to the 600m ii. To put how I feel about each speaker in perspective, I also own the OG Elac Debut B5s and was super impressed with them until I bought the Klipsch 600m ii. I was totally in love with the Klipsch until I bought the Debut 3.0. Now I almost exclusively listen to the 3.0s. I find both speakers to be precise, the Elac’s handing the mids just a bit better (in my opinion). I would like to grab a warmer amp and see what that does for my Klipsch… I’ve heard it can make a big difference. In the end, I really think it comes down to personal taste. If you love your 600m ii then no need to change! But, the Debut 3.0 really are SO GOOD!

    • @FoxGhost7
      @FoxGhost7 Місяць тому +2

      @@wynkoop2000 Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I love the 600m-ii but they are a bit cold. I mean, that's already high praise when tonality is the only real complaint but I want to find something I can wholeheartedly also recommend to others.
      Will sell my old Elac stuff and get the 3.0 eventually and then get back with my own impresssions. Plus I will build something with Alu-Ceramic drivers this spring so will also be interesting how that trio compares to each other.

    • @Left-handed-hammer
      @Left-handed-hammer 10 днів тому +1

      So what one would be better for a larger area?? It seems like possibly the rp-600 ii would be better especially with a powered sub???? Right now I’m leaning that way.

  • @klasanderlinable
    @klasanderlinable 24 дні тому +3

    I truly appreciate you taking your time because I'm very interested in both models. Keep up the good work.

  • @ericwarlick1444
    @ericwarlick1444 29 днів тому +3

    Thank you for doing an actual sound comparison for us to hear as well besides just your opinion of what you were able to hear and then try to explain it. These bigger name UA-camrs could learn something from you for sure!

  • @iamchesco
    @iamchesco 6 днів тому +1

    I've have the Klipsch since they were released and so far I have really liked them. I have been hearing a lot of good things about the Elac's so this review really put me at ease and prevented the urge to go spend more money. Thanks for the review. I've been thinking about starting a channel reviewing audio gear like you, you might have just giving me the push I needed to start.

  • @tonysilva2654
    @tonysilva2654 Місяць тому +2

    Thanks for the excellent review. I have the Elacs in a fairly large room and I'm blown away by the sound stage given their size. I think they're a really good bookshelf speaker for the money.

    • @luvblenko
      @luvblenko 21 день тому

      How big is your room. I have a 20x20 and wondered if these will be ok for that

  • @joshblank1
    @joshblank1 Місяць тому +9

    You kept your promise in comparing these. Thank you!!

  • @jds6000
    @jds6000 Місяць тому +10

    Great review Sir. I was torn between these speakers. They are both EXCELLENT. I opted for the 600M-II and purchased them for $380 on Black Friday. I paired them with an Onkyo NR7100 and Klipsch SW12 Subwoofer. Let me tell you this. They are FABULOUS! I have ZERO regrets and I’m sure that I’d feel the same had I purchased the AWESOME offering from Elac. They are both EXCELLENT choices!

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому +4

      For sure, thanks for the positive feedback. Also Love the attitude, it seems like most people on the internet think everything must go one way or the other and can't appreciate when both options are good and it sometimes is just about preference that decides one way or the other.

    • @johngnipper8768
      @johngnipper8768 Місяць тому +1

      I have just purchased the Klipsch and they are still in the break in phase . I like them very much !

  • @alwayspushing2031
    @alwayspushing2031 Місяць тому +4

    I was able to grab the 600's a few months ago on a flash deal, brand new from BH Photo for $299.00!!! So for my budget style system in a small room 10'x9' are perfect for myself. WiiM Ultra-fosi V3 monos- 600's and no sub (yet). Strictly music and mostly lower volumes (80% of the time) for reading and relaxing.

  • @billb4567
    @billb4567 Місяць тому +3

    good comparison, thanks. I'm not using headphones, just my Bose computer speakers and I could clearly hear the difference. Elac was definitely more "vague", with less energy, Klipsch much more bright. No surprise really Klipsch has always been known for brightness. You would have to hear them in person to decide which you like best.

  • @jasoncaruso8518
    @jasoncaruso8518 Місяць тому +6

    I have both, and I prefer the elac.

  • @scottlowell493
    @scottlowell493 Місяць тому +7

    Irony: 20 years ago, you'd be describing $4,000 a pair speakers. Not kidding.

  • @trekkis
    @trekkis Місяць тому +3

    Perfect work. This two models are two entry level most obvious candidates, and such detailed comparison should be a must for each serious audio channel. It's very valuable and needed comparison for anyone who is looking for this segment grear.
    It is a shame that there is lack of such comparison in other channels and media. Robinson spent few seconds for such comparison which was joke. For Randy this comparison should be obvious to perform, but there is none. On other channels also. So at the moment this "small" channel did something what larger ones were not able, despite this should be first thing to do for each.
    Very good work and very interesting conclusions. Tanks for your great work :) like and sub well earned :)

  • @Crusher91
    @Crusher91 Місяць тому +4

    Appreciate the sound demos, very useful to listen the comparison between different speakers to be more sure at which one to buy. I don't know if you have listened the Elac DBR62, im thinking of it as an option aswell, if you tried it would you say it's worth it to go for that instead of the Debut 3.0?

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому +1

      It just depends on the price, the DB62 is not as good of a speaker in my opinion, that front ported design seems like the bass is just not there.

    • @geovuk4808
      @geovuk4808 Місяць тому

      @@AV-Obsessed In my country elac dbr62 and db63 cost the same. Which are the better buys. Which ones would go better with the denon 3800h?

    • @dereky3095
      @dereky3095 Місяць тому

      I’m also interested in dbr62 (not db62). I hear dbr62 has better bass response but may sound brighter. I also want to know the image of dbr62. To me db63 done a great job of full spectrum natural sound but imaging is something can be upgraded.

    • @Crusher91
      @Crusher91 Місяць тому

      @@AV-Obsessed Thank you, im thinking of expending around 400-500, i listen to a wide variety of genres like edm, pop, metal, rock etc which bookshelf speaker do you recommend in this price range? it would be to listen in a small bedroom at my pc desktop nearfield if that helps.

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому

      I like using powered speakers on a desktop, I have been using HiVi Swan M200 for years and they sound great. I got mine on amazon but it looks like they are no longer available there just aliexpress. Best Buy has the Edifier S1000 which is their competitor model and is supposed to be equally good.

  • @PartySpock
    @PartySpock Місяць тому +5

    Klipsch RP 600 with the Reisong A10 tube amp is a match

  • @Ylm-r9g
    @Ylm-r9g 6 днів тому +1

    I love the ELAC's. Good Review!

  • @1981trippin
    @1981trippin 28 днів тому +2

    Thank you, for this review. nice work.Any chance to do a review of these Elacs against JBL Studio 530?

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  27 днів тому

      No plans on that one but I'll keep my radar up of the Studio 530s.

  • @liamporter1137
    @liamporter1137 Місяць тому +2

    Great review and comparisons. I like Klipsch sounds but can be fatiguing at times. They can make others speakers sound flat and boring. I tow them out, ie straight out, and I find their sound stage good and they disappear. Tow them in and I find them too bright.

  • @hattorihanzo2814
    @hattorihanzo2814 Місяць тому +2

    Sound demos separate you from other channels. You could do 1 review video and separate video of the sound demos linked. I have both of these speakers and the Elacs gives me an experience I do not get from the Klipsch..which I like too.
    Common Blue by Warpaint is a good test track for me bc the instruments are recorded really forward, great bass, drums and has dreamy female vocals.

  • @Thedarkdj4450
    @Thedarkdj4450 Місяць тому +2

    Bought the klipsch last week for 450 and returned them. Sound crisp and good just no low end. Kinda regret taking them back though

    • @pedecia
      @pedecia Місяць тому +7

      I use a Yamaha sub with a 150W per channel Old Pioneer Amplifier with them and they sound Amazing. I think all bookshelf should be coupled with a Sub.

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому

      I think you might like the Elacs better unless you have a very large room and the speakers are more that 1.5ft from the wall, then you just need towers and or a sub.

    • @scottross9327
      @scottross9327 9 днів тому

      @@pedecia no doubt, I have the polk r200 and an elac sub.

  • @alwayspushing2031
    @alwayspushing2031 Місяць тому +2

    Not that I need a direct comparison but what are your immediate thoughts on the new Kef Concerto vs the Klipsch 600 ii? Concerto grabbing a lot of attention, but for myself it would be a $1,300 or so upgrade, unless I sold the Klipsch.

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, the Concerto is in a whole different league with deeper and better bass much more clarity in the mids and more natural highs, also with better imaging. The concerto is a great speaker but yes is much more expensive.

    • @geovuk4808
      @geovuk4808 Місяць тому +1

      In my country elac dbr62 and db63 cost the same. Which are the better buys. Which ones would go better with the denon 3800h?

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому +1

      If they are the same price defiantly go for the DB63.

    • @geovuk4808
      @geovuk4808 Місяць тому

      ​@@AV-Obsessed Thank you very much. 😀

    • @geovuk4808
      @geovuk4808 Місяць тому

      Also for 80$ more than elac db63 I can buy dali oberon 3 and focal theva no1. Are they better buy?

  • @robertquan5572
    @robertquan5572 Місяць тому +5

    As you mentioned, the ELACs surrounds you but it isn't as precise in placement whereas the Klipsch is more precise in placement of the vocals and instrumentals.

    • @wynkoop2000
      @wynkoop2000 Місяць тому +1

      Do you have both?

    • @MasterofPlay7
      @MasterofPlay7 Місяць тому +1

      How do you know? I feel klipsch is muddy on instruments placement as well

    • @wynkoop2000
      @wynkoop2000 Місяць тому

      @@MasterofPlay7 I notice this when there is a lot going on in a song, especially one that relies on midrange. When it’s just guitar & bass they sound pretty good.

  • @LexusAllTerrain1
    @LexusAllTerrain1 Місяць тому +2

    ELAC all the way. Except for center image. Home theater? Can they hit 105 dbs??? Without distortion?

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому +1

      As long as they are crossed over at least at 60hz they should be able to handle short durations at 105db but full range they distort at 90db.

  • @LexusAllTerrain1
    @LexusAllTerrain1 Місяць тому +2

    So can we use the ELACS as mains in home theater crossed over at 80 Hz

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому +1

      Fore sure, I'd actually probably go to 60hz even.

  • @luvblenko
    @luvblenko 20 днів тому +1

    You mention ..” The kind of music I like “, what do you like?

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  19 днів тому

      I like a lot of genres, but my favorite is modern flok like Fleet Foxes, Avett Brothers, and I really like Andrew Bird lately.

  • @loe7717
    @loe7717 Місяць тому +1

    I'm considering replacing the active speakers with passive Elac Debut 3.0 DB63 but I'll have to keep the wiim ultra for streaming music from Tidal which I would also use. I'll need an inexpensive amp, what do you recommend for under $500 that will work well with these speakers and the wiim ultra streamer?

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому +1

      I don't want to spoil my next review but I would use the new Rotel A8

    • @loe7717
      @loe7717 27 днів тому

      Wow! The Rotel A8 was really on my shortlist and I really wanted to hear a recommendation from you. So I'm ordering it. Thanks and regards.

  • @worfrozhenko4032
    @worfrozhenko4032 Місяць тому +2

    The Elacs do image well with the big soundstage... hmmm

    • @LexusAllTerrain1
      @LexusAllTerrain1 Місяць тому +1

      @@worfrozhenko4032 He mentioned it lacks center stage

  • @Slickman2006
    @Slickman2006 Місяць тому +6

    Polk R200 is the budget king in my opinion.

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому

      I really would like to check those out but they've been out for years and the video probably wouldn't do that well.

    • @rayr4320
      @rayr4320 Місяць тому +1

      The polk Signature Elite ES20 are tough to beat at 270 dollars a pair. I think they sound better than many speakers in 3 to 400 dollar range. You pay a little more you get the martin Logan B1s. I know that JBLis not fancy enough for most audiophiles but the hdi-1600 is what I have settled on. They have really good bottom end sound and they play great at high volume. No distortion, even with complex sounds. That hdi speaker line has satiated my need to upgrade any further. the B1s I moved to my office at work, because the JBL will whoop anything in 1000 dollar range that I have listened to.

    • @perolsson4344
      @perolsson4344 25 днів тому

      @@rayr4320 I have the Polk Signature Elite ES20 and have not found any speaker below the 600$ mark that comes close to the energy, base and fun i get out of them. And i do listen to many different genres of music.

  • @thelowprofile9767
    @thelowprofile9767 Місяць тому +2

    I thought you were an angel because of the wings at your back.

  • @jordanking9744
    @jordanking9744 Місяць тому +1

    What bookshelf speakers would you put as best under 1000 for pair or less

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому +1

      Martin Logan Motion Foundation B2 is the best sounding speakers I've tested so far for under $1000 USD per pair.

    • @jordanking9744
      @jordanking9744 27 днів тому

      @AV-Obsessed do u think they be good for home theater

  • @jhondoe3001
    @jhondoe3001 Місяць тому +1

    In my country kef q350 are actually cheaper than elac 6.3, do you recommend them over elacs? Thank you

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому

      I owned the Q150 a long time ago along with the q950 towers and the q650c center channel for a 5.1 surround but was never a big fan of that generation of KEF Q series so I would recommend the Elacs over them unless the deal on the Q350 is too good to pass up.

    • @jhondoe3001
      @jhondoe3001 Місяць тому

      @AV-Obsessed thank you very much, I've got a deal of 359 $ for elac's.

  • @logo1628
    @logo1628 2 дні тому +1

    Anyone compared these to Emotiva XB2?

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  День тому

      I would like to, I have to find an economical way to acquire them first.

  • @Thedarkdj4450
    @Thedarkdj4450 Місяць тому +2

    Which speaker stands are those?

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому +1

      I made these stand in my garage out of solid oak.

  • @Sasq90
    @Sasq90 Місяць тому +4

    I hear more sounds with Elac....in the sound comparison....Elac are always best product for price. I have DBR62 and also Carina BS243.4 but I'm waiting to use It in the house where I will go living.

  • @JR-ho5qm
    @JR-ho5qm Місяць тому +3

    Would you have any interest in doing a GR Research upgrade kit to any of your speakers? It’s a fun process with good rewards. And I think it would make for fantastic content. Thanks!

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому +2

      I would for sure be into doing that, I have watched quite a few of his videos and the way he is able to fix the frequency response of some of these speakers is amazing.

    • @JR-ho5qm
      @JR-ho5qm Місяць тому

      @ I think this would be great for your channel. If your not far from Texas you could send him any one of your speakers. He will measure and correct free of charge providing you buy the new parts from him 👍🏻

    • @traviswilke6051
      @traviswilke6051 Місяць тому +2

      I have the 600 m1, and I lined the inside of the cabinet with automotive sound deadening, and then acoustic foam. Really made a big difference.

    • @LexusAllTerrain1
      @LexusAllTerrain1 Місяць тому

      Everything he touches is bad 😅

    • @JR-ho5qm
      @JR-ho5qm Місяць тому +2

      @ no I just think everything he touches is made better

  • @JoeAnshien
    @JoeAnshien Місяць тому +1

    Thanks - Good review sir.

  • @fatboyvin
    @fatboyvin Місяць тому +1

    why not simply buy the polk r200 over these?

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому

      I may have to check those out even though the video won't perform very wall.

    • @fatboyvin
      @fatboyvin Місяць тому +1

      @AV-Obsessed Please do so, you will be pleasantly surprised.

  • @pedroortiz9744
    @pedroortiz9744 6 днів тому +1

    I like more the Kilpsch sound, the Elacs its to much neutral to me

  • @nexus4googleplay612
    @nexus4googleplay612 Місяць тому +1

    Carbon fiber is not the same as aramid fiber. Aramid fiber is cheaper and far less stiff, and so bass frequencies tend to feel much slower than they would through a carbon fiber driver.

  • @christlover2877
    @christlover2877 Місяць тому +2

    Great speaker the Klipsch. But 538 euro is called budget speaker?? LOL!

  • @StrangeBrewReviews
    @StrangeBrewReviews Місяць тому +2

    Cerwin-Vega LA165 ftw

  • @salvourzi1641
    @salvourzi1641 Місяць тому +4

    Klipsch

  • @samsneediii1793
    @samsneediii1793 Місяць тому +2

    I'd say get both but don't listen to me I have a small problem with audio addiction.😂

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому +2

      Me too, we should start an AV-Obsessed support group.

    • @samsneediii1793
      @samsneediii1793 Місяць тому +1

      Heads up Upscale Audio has a brand from France called Cabasse. You NEED to get the Minorca MC40. It is awesome!

  • @nedeljkokopikopac1516
    @nedeljkokopikopac1516 Місяць тому +1

    I Like more Elac

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому

      Me too, and I would like to do more Elac videos, they seem to perform very well.

  • @DYLANBLACK88
    @DYLANBLACK88 Місяць тому +2

    ELAC SOUNDS MORE NATURAL AND BALANCED KLIPSCH ARE HIGHLY DIRECTIONAL SOUNDING 2 BRIGHT TOEING THEM OUT OR SIMPLY TONE DOWN THE TREBLE WOULD MAKE FOR AN INTERESTING COMPARISON

  • @myplacerighthear3691
    @myplacerighthear3691 Місяць тому +1

    The thing about by wiring or having two separate connections for both upper frequencies and lower frequencies IS AN ABSOLUTE EXTRA BONUS.. IT GIVES YOU OPTIONS YOU CANNOT GET WITH THE OTHER SPEAKER.. BOSE SPEAKERS COME IN PAIRS IN ONE BOX. JUST THINK ON IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND REMEMBER BE PATIENT AND YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND BOTTOM DOLLAR PRICE

    • @anxiousappliance
      @anxiousappliance Місяць тому

      caps are always a good way to make a point.....

  • @juneguadalupe7376
    @juneguadalupe7376 Місяць тому +1

    I like the Klipsch better for stereo listening

  • @NataLag-b9z
    @NataLag-b9z 27 днів тому +3

    To me the Debut 3.0 sounds like most of the “european” speakers. The 600m II sounds more natural, more detailed and Klipsch is less sensitive to a room size and doesn't need as much power as Elacs. Unlike the Elac, the 600m II feels more efficient and sounds good, more detailed and fuller at lower volume.

    • @thomasschafer7268
      @thomasschafer7268 26 днів тому

      A good joke european sound. Whats about us sound. Loudness pressed!😅😅😅

    • @NataLag-b9z
      @NataLag-b9z 26 днів тому +1

      @@thomasschafer7268 the eu sound = concert sound, the US sound = more realistic and dynamic, the studio sound if you wish, with crispier and more defined highs.

    • @NataLag-b9z
      @NataLag-b9z 26 днів тому +1

      @@thomasschafer7268 the eu sound = concert sound, the US sound = more realistic and dynamic, the studio sound if you wish, with crispier and more defined highs.

  • @Antwon.B.Jameson.the17th
    @Antwon.B.Jameson.the17th 14 днів тому

    8:58 bro could not have picked a worse color than dark blue for a black background graph

  • @thomasschafer7268
    @thomasschafer7268 26 днів тому +1

    Actuall the klipsch are 10€ cheaper in germany.429€/pair.😅😅👍🇩🇪

  • @sungkim742
    @sungkim742 21 день тому +2

    Klipsch sounds better.

  • @TheSodFather09
    @TheSodFather09 Місяць тому +3

    You can tell the klipsch is to bright , just not for me. Elac all the way

  • @WeAreTheHighways78
    @WeAreTheHighways78 Місяць тому +1

    The jbl 630s when on sale at 330 are the best deal far better than the klipsch have not heard the elacs , just my measley opinion .

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  Місяць тому

      That is a crazy sale price, I had those for review a few months ago and liked them better than the Klipsch but I am not sure if I would like them better than the Elacs but at that price grab them!

  • @FoxGhost7
    @FoxGhost7 Місяць тому

    Aramid is nothing exotic. Kevlar has been used in speakers for a long time now.

  • @jeremywhittler8591
    @jeremywhittler8591 7 днів тому

    Elac sucks bro. I bought a pair for my daughter and tested them before i sent them. Awful dull sounding speaker. Jbl 530 if you can get them.

  • @Carl-yx1ww
    @Carl-yx1ww Місяць тому +1

    What a waffle

  • @guermeisterdoodlebug7980
    @guermeisterdoodlebug7980 День тому

    The ‘knock test:” . . . “The Elac just sounds like it’s a bit more solidly built of a speaker.” What a crock of s__t.

    • @AV-Obsessed
      @AV-Obsessed  День тому

      It really isn't, the knock test is a real thing, If you knock on a speaker cabinet and it sounds hollow then some of the frequencies that the speaker will play will also sound hollow because of resonance in th cabinet and if you knock on a speaker and it sounds more solid because of more bracing, better quality wood, more damping materials those frequencies will sound cleaner and not be influenced by the cabinet as much.

    • @guermeisterdoodlebug7980
      @guermeisterdoodlebug7980 День тому

      @ I’m okay with us disagreeing.

  • @myplacerighthear3691
    @myplacerighthear3691 Місяць тому +1

    You must be announced that the eclipse 600m Mark II. Kicks all kinds of a s s s s s s s s. And the Klipsch 66012 have lowered much in price since over the last 2 years.. I'm always look for the bottom dollar price. Be patient it will happen. Personally spent almost 10 grand I'm just the speaker gear in my setup add sweet spot that 13.2 surround sound setup on experiencing that that's all you'll ever need it's the end game. You'll never need to change speakers out ever again. There are very little differences between these two speakers and ultimately it's up to personal preference