You do have to be careful as adjusting the on-axis might not result in the idea estimated room response. It depends on your room and your positioning, but EQ with some caution.
Erin - appreciate you breaking down your definitions and the added diagrams. Really helps clarify, on access, tow-in, distance from wall. Many other reviews make too many assumptions :)
@@ErinsAudioCorner Also appreciate the pragmatism. If people are buying bookshelf speakers, typically space is a constraint, otherwise we could opt for towers. So the measurements and space from wall tips really help, especially when in a non ideal listening space.
I have the B6.2's, the tweeter was always holding that speaker back. Glad they changed the tweeter. My B6.2's are back in the box in mint condition. Now rocking Klipsch. Great review thanks.
As always, amazing video. Great info straight to the point. Thank you for this man you are the only channel providing such high quality, non biased information. Never stop bro.
Have owned these speakers for 3 weeks now and feel they are just starting to get broken in. Very happy with them great starter set to get into the brand motivating to look at ELAC's next level speakers.
I bought a pair of these DB63 speakers in September 2024 after hearing them at the THE Show. I have them in my living room, being driven by a Proton AA-1150 power amplifier (which can deliver up to 400WRMS/ch on dynamic peaks, but 50WRMS/ch normally). My living room is huge- about 40' wide with a cathedral ceiling. I have the Elac speakers paired with a Velodyne F-1200 servo subwoofer to handle the bottom of the bottom octave. In short, this system sounds ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL for this price point! The sound certainly is dependent on the source material, but for some of the music I've done in my own studio and played back at 24bit/48kHz, the soundstage image is no kidding the full 40' wide by 10' high with excellent depth. It is really hard to believe that the sound I'm hearing is coming out of those little bookshelf speakers. When people come over for a demo, I tell them to close their eyes and listen, because the visual of what they are seeing in front of them doesn't at all match the audio soundstage they are hearing. Interestingly, the Proton amp never goes into Dynamic Power on Demand mode even when I have these cranked (which means it is putting out 50WRMS/ch or less). I can HIGHLY recommend these Elac speakers for their outstanding price/performance ratio. I am an Electrical Engineer and an Audio Engineer.
I bought a pair along with the center. I did do an A1 evo audyssey calibration, which brought them into a very flat response and really enjoying these. Personally, I can't hear a 1-2db difference like you show in your in-room responses. In fact I've never seen any speaker not have 1-2db dips or peaks. I definitely don't hear hallow or loss of detail and that was comparing to Klipsch RP-150, and SVS ultra evolution nano's. Thanks for your review.
First of all, man you know your stuff!! It’s a level of knowledge and confidence that I relate to but in a different domain. But when I listen to you I can feel that you like it, and that you think about all this a lot. And that is great, and that is so precious for me as someone who wants professional review! Well done sir!
@@user-a33kixd2wq41 it was just on sale in my country. Also, a new "pro" version should come out. I expect sales coming up to liquidate the stock. Hope this helps 🙂
👍Heyy, thanks for the review Erin.. It still seems to me that the DBR 62 reference is a better bang for the buck for a few more (bucks). Cheers, y'all ! 😉
I have the dbr62 and it was one of the best purchases I've ever made. After trying the Klipsch rm600 and triangle bro03, I finally tried the dbr62 and couldn't be happier.
13:50 Often you'll get surround resonances off the woofer too which typically looks like a dip followed by a peak in the lower midrange. This happens when the rubber surround starts to flap out of phase with the cone.
Measurements dont look too bad... Its ok for its price range. I can see why some people like it from that on axis and EIR graph, its inoffensive and will in no way sound fatiguing. MD is rather high at a sensitive region though, so it will sound shouty when cranked up.
To be honest, I have a hard time with Klipsch the Fives with the piercing hurt on my ears. Then I understand I will never enjoy the bright speakers for rest of my life. I switched ELAC Debut 3.0 today and couldn’t be happier. The mid range is so impressive, and my ear doesn’t hurt on the highs. Anyone hesitated if you see this video, I will give you my honest feedback based on my experience. Science matters, your actual hearing matters too.
My Dynaudio Emit M10's are 6 inches away from the back wall! Not ideal but the room isn't wide enough for any more. Sometimes practicalities have to outweigh other considerations. They still sound great to me, although I don't play them that loud.
Thank you for the review. However, I didn't quite understand, despite reading all the comments, whether it would be worth switching from Elac Dbr62 to Db63. Opinions are welcome.
he basically said, if you have money itching to be spend, you might get a minor upgrade, so sure go ahead. If you don't really have extra money it might not be worth it, since its just a minor upgrade
You may have answered this before, but I might have missed it and I'm kind of curious but Why do resonances show up in the impedance graph? I thought impedance was more about how hard the speaker is to drive rather than the sound it produces.
Hi Erin, I purchased the 62 based on your excellent review. At $225/pair they were a bargain. I do not hear sibilance? The 52 has boosted bass & my fear was the 63 would go the same way but no. The 62 & 63 have the same 750Hz resonance. The 62 xover has a notch filter across the midbass driver to tame the resonance. It is only partially successful. Perhaps a peak is better than a dip, considering the shelf that precedes it? Danny's 62 YT video shows stored energy at 750Hz, Danny did not identify the source, midbass driver or cabinet?
I have just discovered your channel ! Thank you so much for existing, I am really impressed by your test rig and the complete experimental protocole you are running through with each speaker you are testing ! I have also watched your complete playlist about the measurements understandings. Very well done ! I was just wondering you are planning to make one on impulse response (I may have missed it) ? Just to explain how difficult it is to find a trade off between ported and sealed speakers for low bass qualitative response. Again thanks for this work and for making your data and script accessible ! A home-theater enthusiast from France ;)
These look very good for the retail price and certainly the price will be discounted further for the holiday's. Nice job here. Some flaws but no deal breakers IMHO.
I'm not sure why the comment section has been so down on this speaker. It's an Interesting speaker. The looks are a definite upgrade from the 6.2. Distortion, compression, multitone, and on-axis linearity are good for its class. In room response is good. However, the resonance at 650hz and the directivity at 2 and 5 khz aren't well controlled. This seems like a good contender if your budget is fixed below $500, but Elac, Revel, Wharfdale, and KEF's step-up options are very compelling and imo very much worth the investment.
The low mid dip is a real problem for many types of music. As are the upper frequency issue. KEF q150 or even q350 can be had for less and don’t have the problems of these and image wonderfully. Or The Polk es series and at this price the Polk r1 seem better performing overall, though with issues, and also image well.
@@ManFromLaBamba the Q150 is discontinued and discounted to ~350/pr and has great directivity but elevated treble and less output capability. The discontinued Q350 retails for 800/pr and can be had new at a discount for ~50 percent more than this speaker. For sure, though, you can compare any speaker to any other speaker.
@@socksgratecheese the q150/350 aren't discontinued they're still available on all audio sites and kef has nothing about it being discontinued on theirs, those are the actual prices they just raise the prices to make it seem like a deal the 90% of the time
Great review as always. I can’t understand why anybody would intentionally design a speaker to have 500-1000hz suck out that these have. Lowering response in the 2500-4000hz region is often found, and is often called “British sound” or BBC Sound. A slight boost at 150-350 or so can also compensate for a small speaker’s limits below 100hz (gives an impression of low end fullness and can raise a port response for increased low end from it. But the dip these Elacs have are going to do bad things to many recordings, especially vocals in that range.
They are going to fill near a wall. Many people will place these very close to the wall so not a bad design IMHO. For folks with more hifi intentions you'll have peq so just do that thing up.
In most rooms putting a bookshelf speaker 3 feet from the wall will maximize the SBIR dip…which is above subwoofer crossover and is difficult to treat with bass traps.
I'm no acoustician but I'll try. Soundstage depth, firstly, is arguable between listeners' setups. Some people say it's fake, or that it is real. I think it has to with the speakers frequency response/directivity, size of the room, distance of the back wall to listener and speaker, and listener's distance from the speakers. The further the speaker is from the back wall, the more dispersed the sound will be. The "wider" dispersion will make the original sound quieter. Additionally, the greater distance between the speaker and backwall will delay first and second order rear reflections. As we know, early side reflections can ruin soundstage width, so it's safe to assume that soundstage depth will also be affected. The listening position also needs to be away from the rear wall as well to delay reflections. Directivity applies to reflections in order to keep the speaker's soundstage and imaging accurate. Frequency response in my experience may matter. Bloaty bass can mask frequencies used for sound localization. This is why some speakers need to be moved away from boundaries to achieve soundstage depth. But by pulling out the speakers far into the room and removing low-end may help unmask localization cues. I think it's bad speaker design in some cases such as bass is masking sound, tweeter distortion, bad crossover design, or unsmooth frequency response. The information I used here is not 100% objective. It is from my own listening experience. I do suggest listening to speakers nearfield at low volume to decrease the effect of room reflections, and with your eyes closed. I achieved a very odd effect of soundstage width, and a little depth from crappy laptop speakers with EQ to remove the bass bloat. If you have any questions, I'd love to try to answer because I'm bored. Cheers. @seanb3303
@@authenticNL2 thanks for sharing. Magnepans generate amazing depth perception as dipoles do…so i think we can agree that it’s the loading of the dipole that creates an effect or coloration. If we wall mount the speaker like a high end studio does, recordings that don’t have depth spatial cues will sound flat and that sucks…but my guess is they can still have depth if it’s in the recording…which kind of gets back to the listening to your hi-fi vs listening to a facsimile of a recording debate…and I’m going to say that pulling your speakers 3 feet into the room to add extra depth is a very hi-fi thing to do as is ignoring SBIR consequences 😉
Great video! I found your explanation about the use of subwoofer and low frequencies really good You compared them to the DBR62, but how would they compare to the UBR62, which are supposed to be in a higher level?
I think Erin did the comparison to DB62 not the DBR(eference)62. Sounds like DB63 is not quite on a level of either DBR62 or UBR62, if using Erins previous reviews and comparisons as reference.
You really have detailed reviews to make it easier for people to decide, because it's really not possible to test all speakers live before buying. I'm looking for bookshelf speakers for a 3.1 system that will stand near the back wall. Which would sound better, the KEF Q150 or the Elac debut DB53, the price is currently practically the same. Thanks
You gave more information and did a great work with presenting this amazing speaker then Pfizer ever gave info about the vaccine. Thanks for this you are amazing. I am now tempted to buy
Very informative review.. Thank you. It would be really cool if you would review the smaller DB53 version to see how it measures and compares in sound quality. Randy, 'The Cheap Audio Man' likes the DB53 better. Have a good one.
I know a reviewer who is neck deep with Elac and promoting them waayyy too hard... I already know who is cursing now 😂 cheapsomethingsell or similar 😂 Thanks Erin for being objective!
He’s the only salesman (I mean reviewer) I’ve actually unsubscribed from due to his blatant profiteering. I enjoyed his early videos as he really sold the ‘ I’m salt of the earth’ schtick. Then out came the Mcintosh gear and sponsored trips to Europe by his supplier friends.
DB63 sounded "thin" to me so after listening to a dozen other speakers I went with Polk ES20 instead and to my ear it's perfect AND it's almost half the price of these Elacs. I wonder why no review for ES20 a hidden gem IMO.
I have the Heco 300's. I love them. I have the Elac db53's, the smaller brother of these new Elacs. The 53's are pretty darn good. But the Heco's are another level above IMO. I did have the Heco 200's but returned them. The 200's only reproduced about 70 percent of what the 300's could do. I may try these db63's at some point. That would be a head to head you're looking for but I thought I would throw that out there. At the same time though. I'm keeping the Elac DB53'S. They're good if you like a laid back, refined, Elac budget "house" sound
How close to the wall would you say is the limit? Reason i ask is im shopping for my next speakers. Would be a 5.1.4 system and im searching for atmos and rear surrrounds to match. Front would be towers. My rear surrounds need to basically sit on a shelf against the wall.
So after all that testing and interpretation of the results. What did they sound like? I know its in the ears of the beholder and other factors....but did you like them? Would be nice to know.
Looking for a close-to-back-wall, truly on a bookshelf, speaker. Stereo, w an SVS sub. I currently am trying these ELACs and am enjoying them a lot. I do feel like I'm missing some "warmth" so hoping someone has advice on what I might try or like?
This speaker really disappointed me, and the Erin professional test results solidified why. I had bought a pair from Crutch and returned a week later, just something about them.
@@Carl-bd1rf Oh boy not Danny, its probably got some real cheesy parts in it ROFL, He wants you to buy his $400 crossover network upgrades for a $300 speaker though.
Hey Erin. I noticed you did speaker eq based upon the on axis response. I think I noticed in the past you did speaker eq based upon the in room response. Can I ask what changed your mind? I'm interested because I do speaker eq on my Revel M106 - and there is a peak around 4.5 - 5k in the on axis response which doesn't show when the in room response is calculated.
The eq suggestions translate to all axes due to the pretty good directivity in those regions (except the 2-3kHz area). The suggestions therefore translate to the EIR. Hope that helps.
What I see, is a little to mild baffelstep compensation. If you ignore the resonance at 750hz, there is a step below 1khz-isj.. Most likely a "voicing" decision done, because most of the buyers will use this near a wall..
@Erin. It would be nice if you could take things a step further and take the speaker apart to show how well it is built inside. I know GR Research does this as well as a couple others. I like it because it does help to justify the build quality vs price and to know if I am getting a good deal or I am just being trolled.
So if you have the cash, it looks like it’s still quite a step up to get the DBR62. I wonder if they’re going to refresh the reference model pretty soon as well.
Erin, I just picked up a pair of the XT20 and have not even unboxed them for $200 new. I have access to a pair of the DB63 for about 400. Is it worth the upgrade? I have a Wiim amp and plan to do some serious room correction.
Nice review! Quick question… Is it possible that the room correction on the WiiM can damage speakers? It seems my Klipsch RP600Ms sound lifeless after running the room correction. Even with room correction off or on.
Not true. Depends on what is causing the response problems, as erin noted in the review. You can’t fix problems stemming from directivity for example. Or many crossover issues. And please…there are MUCH better, More precise and flexible and sonically superior ways to apply eq than that berringer. In software or software/hardware. And 31 bands are ok but will never be as good as proper parametric eq.
You speak of setting up an equalizer at specific frequency points. Where do you get an equalizer these days and how would I hook it up to my integrated amplifier with turntable, CD player and a streamer? I haven't seen an equalizer for sale since the '70s
You can buy something like the miniDSP. Or as I said in the video use something from WiiM’s product line which has built-in EQ options. If you want to go high end with EQ then there is the DEQX brand of products.
@@ErinsAudioCornerIs that how everyone is doing that? Wiim products are popular but I can't imagine that every one of your viewers owns a wiim or the other product you mentioned.
@@greenbeginner9221 Many (most?) people are listening to music through streaming (Spotify, Tidal) or music files (FLAC, mp3) and not physical media (CD's, vinyl) anymore. So people have access to EQ through their streamer like the WiiM, through PC music playing software (foobar2000), or the miniDSP products. Schiit Audio sells analog EQ products (Loki, Lokius) similar in function to those from the 70's, but the digital ones are more precise.
@@greenbeginner9221well another option is to buy speakers you won’t need to eq…or at least not like these need to be. WiiM is just an example. However, I recommend checking out one of the Wiim preamp/streaming devices that has a phono input and phono preamp built in. Of course it also has at least one line level rca input for your cd player and a couple digital ones if your cd player has a digital output. For very little money that little Wiim likely matches and outperforms the preamp section of your integrated. Alternatively, as erin mentioned, if your integrated has preouts between the preamp section and power amp section (usually with jumpers across rca jacks) you can put a minidsp device between them and everything you run through the integrated will have whatever eq or dsp you set it up with. You can even do room measurements etc. Or you could put a minidsp device before the preamp one one input and use a passive signal switcher to switch inputs. Some of the devices can accommodate more than one source and have multiple channels of output. But that’s is a mess of cables! The mini dsp devices will let you eq anything, including turntables and cassette tapes to your hearts content. The analogue signals are first converted into digital, then eq is applied, and then output. I’m sure the idea of converting a turntable signal to digital will be horrifying to some, but these days if done right you will never know and in any case and degradation will be far less than an old analog eq. Old analogue graphic equalizers are obsolete. We are in the golden age of eq, dsp, etc. without ANY signal degradation. Capabilities now goes far beyond basic eq, you can compensate of time delays, many room reflections, etc. Though as erin notes: you cannot eq or dsp away every issue, and some speakers eq well and others do not. Most decent streaming devices have eq , some better than others. If using a computer as a source, with software like roon etc you can eq to your hearts content. Most AVRs have at least some sort of rudimentary manu al equalizer you can use. And any decent one will have now have decent auto measuring dsp protocols (audessy, Dirac, etc) . Not using those with an avr is like trying to drive a car without a suspension.
It's primarily done in software these days, not hardware. Most people use digital sources so it is straightforward to do so. Pro audio world still has analog PEQ boxes.
Erin, you keep menitoning the March audio amplifiers which are Purifi based. I am looking to purchase the new stereo amplifier once it is available. Can you please do a review of these or comment here on how they perform, especially this versus their stereo models or versus other class D or AB amps in the same price range. I know they are also releasing a new stereo model. You could end up putting march Audio (a small western Australian company) that genuinely makes good products at a good price on the map and I am totally here for that!
There’s a directivity mismatch that is “baked in” to the design where the on-axis response differs from the off-axis a good bit in the crossover region. And since you cannot separate on axis from off axis response you cannot EQ them separately. Which means you can’t “EQ away” those kind of issues. Not without sacrificing something else in tonality. This was more prevalent in the previous model. Not this one.
Since you said most people would have these in a living room setting, what do you look for in a speaker for a setup like that? Of course the bass shelf like on the KEF, but other than that, is it just good directivity, flat on-axis response, and low bass extension? Also do you have a list of the best speakers at certain price points? For example based on your reviews, for $400 I would definitely get the Kali LP-6v2 over these ELACs. But then I'm left wondering if there are even better speakers than the LP-6v2's for the same or less money 🤔
Those are what I’d be looking for, yes. 👍 I do have a few different videos at different price points. I believe I did one last fall for under $500. And I’ve had others sprinkled in.
Still have to watch the full video (doing now) but I ordered a pair last week (they didn’t arrive yet) but I have the feeling I should cancel the order.. Will update/comment once I finished watching the video.
Well I think for me personally I’ll keep them. They still seem like nice speakers for the price point. And I’m sure after running Audyssey and my custom REW script afterwards I can get rid of some of the issues you mentioned.
Not speaking for Erin but I think he summed it up pretty good. If you have the ability to eq it's got good bang for the buck. Also don't forget the sub to bring up that low end.
Hey everybody! That made me laugh! A couple of thoughts on this one and something for you to consider or try.... I'd love to see you add a spectral decay to your measurements. This speaker is a good example of how that will give you some very useful and telling information. That big peak in the response at 650Hz could be a number of things. If it is a resonance then it will show stored energy at that spot and it will show up in the spectral decay as an area that takes longer to settle. Or it could be more of an amplitude peak with little to no ringing. Typically a peak like this will be ringing, but the spectral decay will show how bad it is. It could be ringing a little or a lot. We also sometimes see a dip and peaked area in the 800 to 1,100 region that is actually a reflection or diffraction from the inside edge of the woofer through hole if it was not radiused with a rounded or chamfered edge on the inside. This diffraction will cause issues in the response like that but it will not have the ringing of a resonance. That problem is also solvable with a special round over bit for a router that will round off the inside edge. It would also be interesting to see the spectral decay before and after you apply the EQ to fix it. EQ is basically turning it down in the peaked area. If it is a resonance then it turns the level down a little, but the resonance is still there and there will still be ringing, and still be audible. So it could be a band aid and not a real fix. Also, a bad resonance will often show up in the impedance curve. That will confirm the resonance.
Haha. Glad you got a laugh out of it. Thanks for the recommendations on the other stuff. In the past I’ve taken out drivers to make sure the issue isn’t that (basket resonance, surround resonance, etc). I need to go that more often in cases where we see these high-Q resonances. Take care!
I would love to see you review the Evoke 30 speakers as it is a speaker i am seriously considering but i have no means to listen to it and even if i could i would still wait till you make a review on it.
Interesting Not surprised that all the UA-cam reviewers said this was punching 10x above its price point 🤔 Thank you for doing all this work and putting out the review You do the community a great service At some point Danny will be asked to do an upgrade As one comment noted, they bought from Crutchfield and did an in home demo and returned
@@AndrewB23 Danny/GR Research are fine by me so my opinion is contrary to your opinion I do believe that he will end up with a pair of these speakers for upgrade Because the owner thought they were buying a great speaker and did not, or were not, able to do an in home demo to see if they liked them Some I expect would be just fine owing these speakers and be happy and that is all that matters 10% of Danny’s business is speaker upgrades Snake oil to me is shilling sub-optimal components on UA-cam
I love you adding the EQ walkthrough! This should be on all speaker reviews where applicable!!!
Yes that’s a great idea…
You do have to be careful as adjusting the on-axis might not result in the idea estimated room response. It depends on your room and your positioning, but EQ with some caution.
I love the data behind your observations. Objective with the subjective. Thanks for the consistent quality reviews.
which one is a better buy Debut 3 DB63 or the DBR62?
Erin - appreciate you breaking down your definitions and the added diagrams. Really helps clarify, on access, tow-in, distance from wall. Many other reviews make too many assumptions :)
Glad it was helpful!
As well as having entirely different ideas of what those terms represent.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Also appreciate the pragmatism. If people are buying bookshelf speakers, typically space is a constraint, otherwise we could opt for towers. So the measurements and space from wall tips really help, especially when in a non ideal listening space.
I have the B6.2's, the tweeter was always holding that speaker back. Glad they changed the tweeter. My B6.2's are back in the box in mint condition. Now rocking Klipsch. Great review thanks.
As always, amazing video. Great info straight to the point. Thank you for this man you are the only channel providing such high quality, non biased information. Never stop bro.
Have owned these speakers for 3 weeks now and feel they are just starting to get broken in. Very happy with them great starter set to get into the brand motivating to look at ELAC's next level speakers.
I bought a pair of these DB63 speakers in September 2024 after hearing them at the THE Show. I have them in my living room, being driven by a Proton AA-1150 power amplifier (which can deliver up to 400WRMS/ch on dynamic peaks, but 50WRMS/ch normally). My living room is huge- about 40' wide with a cathedral ceiling. I have the Elac speakers paired with a Velodyne F-1200 servo subwoofer to handle the bottom of the bottom octave. In short, this system sounds ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL for this price point! The sound certainly is dependent on the source material, but for some of the music I've done in my own studio and played back at 24bit/48kHz, the soundstage image is no kidding the full 40' wide by 10' high with excellent depth. It is really hard to believe that the sound I'm hearing is coming out of those little bookshelf speakers. When people come over for a demo, I tell them to close their eyes and listen, because the visual of what they are seeing in front of them doesn't at all match the audio soundstage they are hearing. Interestingly, the Proton amp never goes into Dynamic Power on Demand mode even when I have these cranked (which means it is putting out 50WRMS/ch or less). I can HIGHLY recommend these Elac speakers for their outstanding price/performance ratio. I am an Electrical Engineer and an Audio Engineer.
I bought a pair along with the center. I did do an A1 evo audyssey calibration, which brought them into a very flat response and really enjoying these. Personally, I can't hear a 1-2db difference like you show in your in-room responses. In fact I've never seen any speaker not have 1-2db dips or peaks. I definitely don't hear hallow or loss of detail and that was comparing to Klipsch RP-150, and SVS ultra evolution nano's. Thanks for your review.
Thanks for the review Erin!
First of all, man you know your stuff!! It’s a level of knowledge and confidence that I relate to but in a different domain. But when I listen to you I can feel that you like it, and that you think about all this a lot. And that is great, and that is so precious for me as someone who wants professional review! Well done sir!
Great review ! Thank you for providing the EQ as most would set these up with a WiiM amp or another value oriented product 👍
wiim amp is really a game changer. Unfortunately, it's still quite expensive in the used market.😂
@@user-a33kixd2wq41 it was just on sale in my country. Also, a new "pro" version should come out. I expect sales coming up to liquidate the stock.
Hope this helps 🙂
Wiim streamers also have peq :)
@@Karto86 Wiim Pro + Steoro Amp (Fosi/Ayima) cost the same as Wiim Amp, but no Arc input and no sub-out. I think Wiim Amp is a better choice.
How can you eq gain setting on wiim amp? I see some eq for speakers say something like -2db gain before eq
Wow great review. They way you can show what you’re hearing by implementing the graphics helps explain things so well. Nicely done sir. Subscribed
👍Heyy, thanks for the review Erin..
It still seems to me that the DBR 62 reference is a better bang for the buck for a few more (bucks).
Cheers, y'all ! 😉
I agree.
I have the dbr62 and it was one of the best purchases I've ever made. After trying the Klipsch rm600 and triangle bro03, I finally tried the dbr62 and couldn't be happier.
Or DF63! 3 woofers instead of 1, for only +$100!
I have the RPM600 and I'm debating between the triangles and the Elac DBR62's.. why did you settle on those? @@pkdude5334
Yep as already mentioned extra points for the eq recommendations will help many who may not have the ability to test.
How would you compare these to the DBR62.
13:50 Often you'll get surround resonances off the woofer too which typically looks like a dip followed by a peak in the lower midrange. This happens when the rubber surround starts to flap out of phase with the cone.
Yeah. Usually these are closer to 1kHz on a 6.5” driver (wavelength of effective radius).
Measurements dont look too bad... Its ok for its price range. I can see why some people like it from that on axis and EIR graph, its inoffensive and will in no way sound fatiguing. MD is rather high at a sensitive region though, so it will sound shouty when cranked up.
To be honest, I have a hard time with Klipsch the Fives with the piercing hurt on my ears. Then I understand I will never enjoy the bright speakers for rest of my life. I switched ELAC Debut 3.0 today and couldn’t be happier. The mid range is so impressive, and my ear doesn’t hurt on the highs. Anyone hesitated if you see this video, I will give you my honest feedback based on my experience. Science matters, your actual hearing matters too.
I am upgrading from the Edifier 1280DB to these , still hunting for an amp , can't wait to get them!!!!
yet another stellar review amen
My Dynaudio Emit M10's are 6 inches away from the back wall! Not ideal but the room isn't wide enough for any more. Sometimes practicalities have to outweigh other considerations. They still sound great to me, although I don't play them that loud.
We are all better off for having your analysis in this hobby. Thank you.
I have rp600m bookshelves for home theater use in 5.1.4 using Dirac. What’s the upgrade route from here ? 😂
Thank you for the review. However, I didn't quite understand, despite reading all the comments, whether it would be worth switching from Elac Dbr62 to Db63. Opinions are welcome.
he basically said, if you have money itching to be spend, you might get a minor upgrade, so sure go ahead. If you don't really have extra money it might not be worth it, since its just a minor upgrade
I would be curious to listen to those new db63, but there aren't hifi shops nearby, unfortunately they all closed.
Q350 vs db63?
Loved the review! Are you planning to review any of the higher priced Elac offerings like the Vela VBS404.2 GB that retails for $3,499?
You may have answered this before, but I might have missed it and I'm kind of curious but
Why do resonances show up in the impedance graph? I thought impedance was more about how hard the speaker is to drive rather than the sound it produces.
Hi Erin, I purchased the 62 based on your excellent review. At $225/pair they were a bargain. I do not hear sibilance? The 52 has boosted bass & my fear was the 63 would go the same way but no. The 62 & 63 have the same 750Hz resonance. The 62 xover has a notch filter across the midbass driver to tame the resonance. It is only partially successful. Perhaps a peak is better than a dip, considering the shelf that precedes it? Danny's 62 YT video shows stored energy at 750Hz, Danny did not identify the source, midbass driver or cabinet?
Infinity used the same style/type of tweeter wave guide.
Many have. It’s an interesting one.
@@ErinsAudioCorner make sure you get this posted to r/budgetaudiophile
I have just discovered your channel ! Thank you so much for existing, I am really impressed by your test rig and the complete experimental protocole you are running through with each speaker you are testing !
I have also watched your complete playlist about the measurements understandings. Very well done ! I was just wondering you are planning to make one on impulse response (I may have missed it) ? Just to explain how difficult it is to find a trade off between ported and sealed speakers for low bass qualitative response.
Again thanks for this work and for making your data and script accessible !
A home-theater enthusiast from France ;)
These look very good for the retail price and certainly the price will be discounted further for the holiday's. Nice job here.
Some flaws but no deal breakers IMHO.
I'm not sure why the comment section has been so down on this speaker. It's an Interesting speaker. The looks are a definite upgrade from the 6.2. Distortion, compression, multitone, and on-axis linearity are good for its class. In room response is good. However, the resonance at 650hz and the directivity at 2 and 5 khz aren't well controlled. This seems like a good contender if your budget is fixed below $500, but Elac, Revel, Wharfdale, and KEF's step-up options are very compelling and imo very much worth the investment.
The low mid dip is a real problem for many types of music. As are the upper frequency issue. KEF q150 or even q350 can be had for less and don’t have the problems of these and image wonderfully. Or The Polk es series and at this price the Polk r1 seem better performing overall, though with issues, and also image well.
@@ManFromLaBamba the Q150 is discontinued and discounted to ~350/pr and has great directivity but elevated treble and less output capability. The discontinued Q350 retails for 800/pr and can be had new at a discount for ~50 percent more than this speaker. For sure, though, you can compare any speaker to any other speaker.
@@socksgratecheese the q150/350 aren't discontinued they're still available on all audio sites and kef has nothing about it being discontinued on theirs, those are the actual prices they just raise the prices to make it seem like a deal the 90% of the time
@@AndrewB23 The q150/350 have been replaced by the Q1 Meta and Q3 Meta, as you can see yourself on their website.
it looks like it is just a worse DBR62 at a similar price.
thank you very much! How do they compare to the Kali LP-UNF?
Great review as always. I can’t understand why anybody would intentionally design a speaker to have 500-1000hz suck out that these have. Lowering response in the 2500-4000hz region is often found, and is often called “British sound” or BBC Sound. A slight boost at 150-350 or so can also compensate for a small speaker’s limits below 100hz (gives an impression of low end fullness and can raise a port response for increased low end from it.
But the dip these Elacs have are going to do bad things to many recordings, especially vocals in that range.
They are going to fill near a wall. Many people will place these very close to the wall so not a bad design IMHO. For folks with more hifi intentions you'll have peq so just do that thing up.
In most rooms putting a bookshelf speaker 3 feet from the wall will maximize the SBIR dip…which is above subwoofer crossover and is difficult to treat with bass traps.
Sure. But that’s not my typical audience (I’ve polled them). It’s good to have other options. 👍
@@ErinsAudioCorner acousticians can’t really explain why pulling speakers from the front wall creates the illusion of depth. Do you have any theories?
I'm no acoustician but I'll try.
Soundstage depth, firstly, is arguable between listeners' setups. Some people say it's fake, or that it is real. I think it has to with the speakers frequency response/directivity, size of the room, distance of the back wall to listener and speaker, and listener's distance from the speakers.
The further the speaker is from the back wall, the more dispersed the sound will be. The "wider" dispersion will make the original sound quieter. Additionally, the greater distance between the speaker and backwall will delay first and second order rear reflections. As we know, early side reflections can ruin soundstage width, so it's safe to assume that soundstage depth will also be affected.
The listening position also needs to be away from the rear wall as well to delay reflections.
Directivity applies to reflections in order to keep the speaker's soundstage and imaging accurate.
Frequency response in my experience may matter. Bloaty bass can mask frequencies used for sound localization. This is why some speakers need to be moved away from boundaries to achieve soundstage depth. But by pulling out the speakers far into the room and removing low-end may help unmask localization cues. I think it's bad speaker design in some cases such as bass is masking sound, tweeter distortion, bad crossover design, or unsmooth frequency response.
The information I used here is not 100% objective. It is from my own listening experience. I do suggest listening to speakers nearfield at low volume to decrease the effect of room reflections, and with your eyes closed. I achieved a very odd effect of soundstage width, and a little depth from crappy laptop speakers with EQ to remove the bass bloat.
If you have any questions, I'd love to try to answer because I'm bored. Cheers.
@seanb3303
@@authenticNL2 thanks for sharing. Magnepans generate amazing depth perception as dipoles do…so i think we can agree that it’s the loading of the dipole that creates an effect or coloration. If we wall mount the speaker like a high end studio does, recordings that don’t have depth spatial cues will sound flat and that sucks…but my guess is they can still have depth if it’s in the recording…which kind of gets back to the listening to your hi-fi vs listening to a facsimile of a recording debate…and I’m going to say that pulling your speakers 3 feet into the room to add extra depth is a very hi-fi thing to do as is ignoring SBIR consequences 😉
Great video! I found your explanation about the use of subwoofer and low frequencies really good
You compared them to the DBR62, but how would they compare to the UBR62, which are supposed to be in a higher level?
Literally a completely different league with ubr62
I think Erin did the comparison to DB62 not the DBR(eference)62.
Sounds like DB63 is not quite on a level of either DBR62 or UBR62, if using Erins previous reviews and comparisons as reference.
@@AndrewB23 UBR62 is not in a completely different league. The coaxial in the UBR62 has draw backs and many prefer the dbr62.
Loving the EQ info
Are these good value for a Home Theater Setup?
Which model sounds better between the ELAC debut 3 or the Elac Uni-Fi 2.0 UB52? thank you
so these debut 3.0 are not significantly better than the previous debut 6.2? this statement is holding me back to buy this ones...omg
You really have detailed reviews to make it easier for people to decide, because it's really not possible to test all speakers live before buying. I'm looking for bookshelf speakers for a 3.1 system that will stand near the back wall. Which would sound better, the KEF Q150 or the Elac debut DB53, the price is currently practically the same.
Thanks
I haven’t heard the DB53. So for that reason I’d default to the Q150.
@@ErinsAudioCorner honest answer 😉Do you recommend any other brand or model in this size and price range that you tested?
You gave more information and did a great work with presenting this amazing speaker then Pfizer ever gave info about the vaccine. Thanks for this you are amazing. I am now tempted to buy
Could you please consider reviewing the new Dali Rubikore 2 bookshelf speaker? I'd love to see some objective measurements. Thanks
Very informative review.. Thank you. It would be really cool if you would review the smaller DB53 version to see how it measures and compares in sound quality. Randy, 'The Cheap Audio Man' likes the DB53 better. Have a good one.
I know a reviewer who is neck deep with Elac and promoting them waayyy too hard...
I already know who is cursing now 😂
cheapsomethingsell or similar 😂
Thanks Erin for being objective!
I used to enjoy his stuff until he got a taste of the high end and even started promoting power cables 😂
that cheapsomethingsell only provide some entertainment value if some one finds his video has entertainment value for some viewer's.
He’s the only salesman (I mean reviewer) I’ve actually unsubscribed from due to his blatant profiteering. I enjoyed his early videos as he really sold the ‘
I’m salt of the earth’ schtick. Then out came the Mcintosh gear and sponsored trips to Europe by his supplier friends.
@@stormtrooper9404 Mr SSCS5 himself.
@@4thewinir344Some folks have a word for those who so clearly sell their integrity like that.
Great review! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
DB63 sounded "thin" to me so after listening to a dozen other speakers I went with Polk ES20 instead and to my ear it's perfect AND it's almost half the price of these Elacs. I wonder why no review for ES20 a hidden gem IMO.
I'm trying these ELACs now and while I like them I also find them "thin". Not sure I will keep them.
Toe them in and you will hear a difference
excellent review and EQ tips, thank you
Can anyone compare the Elac DB63 with Heco Aurora 300?
I have the Heco 300's. I love them. I have the Elac db53's, the smaller brother of these new Elacs. The 53's are pretty darn good. But the Heco's are another level above IMO. I did have the Heco 200's but returned them. The 200's only reproduced about 70 percent of what the 300's could do. I may try these db63's at some point. That would be a head to head you're looking for but I thought I would throw that out there. At the same time though. I'm keeping the Elac DB53'S. They're good if you like a laid back, refined, Elac budget "house" sound
Heco aurora series measures really well, there are reviews on UA-cam with measurements
Hecos look way better imo.
@@MrWslindsay Thanks for you feedback, dude! I'm using the Heco 300 Aurora as well - they sound great!
How close to the wall would you say is the limit? Reason i ask is im shopping for my next speakers. Would be a 5.1.4 system and im searching for atmos and rear surrrounds to match. Front would be towers. My rear surrounds need to basically sit on a shelf against the wall.
So after all that testing and interpretation of the results. What did they sound like? I know its in the ears of the beholder and other factors....but did you like them? Would be nice to know.
thanks for the review, can someone out there help me with how the elac behaves in comparison to the triangle br03. thanks
Looking for a close-to-back-wall, truly on a bookshelf, speaker. Stereo, w an SVS sub. I currently am trying these ELACs and am enjoying them a lot. I do feel like I'm missing some "warmth" so hoping someone has advice on what I might try or like?
Would the Kef Q3 Meta be a better choice?
This speaker really disappointed me, and the Erin professional test results solidified why. I had bought a pair from Crutch and returned a week later, just something about them.
*Interesting* I'm just listening to the intro now, but I was going into the video kinda expecting these to perform "pretty OK".
Must be the cheesy crossover!!😜
@@Carl-bd1rf Oh boy not Danny, its probably got some real cheesy parts in it ROFL, He wants you to buy his $400 crossover network upgrades for a $300 speaker though.
@@CinnabonMcTasty
Lol, exactly!
@@CinnabonMcTasty With all due respect, it makes sense to me: that way I can enjoy a pair of speakers for $700.00 with $2,000.00 performance...
Great review! Are you also going to review the DB53? I'm really curious how they compare.
Hey Erin. I noticed you did speaker eq based upon the on axis response. I think I noticed in the past you did speaker eq based upon the in room response. Can I ask what changed your mind? I'm interested because I do speaker eq on my Revel M106 - and there is a peak around 4.5 - 5k in the on axis response which doesn't show when the in room response is calculated.
The eq suggestions translate to all axes due to the pretty good directivity in those regions (except the 2-3kHz area). The suggestions therefore translate to the EIR. Hope that helps.
What I see, is a little to mild baffelstep compensation. If you ignore the resonance at 750hz, there is a step below 1khz-isj.. Most likely a "voicing" decision done, because most of the buyers will use this near a wall..
Hi Erin,I would be glad if you review Mission Qx5 Mk2.Thank you
@Erin. It would be nice if you could take things a step further and take the speaker apart to show how well it is built inside. I know GR Research does this as well as a couple others. I like it because it does help to justify the build quality vs price and to know if I am getting a good deal or I am just being trolled.
Would you consider the Polk XT20 better than these?
Hmmm. I’d need to go back and evaluate but there’s a lot of positives for the Polk, for sure.
@@ErinsAudioCorner The Elac DB63’s have much better build quality than the Polk XT20. Also the Elacs have magnetic grilles! So a win win all round!
@@ErinsAudioCornerthat would make for a nice comparison. They both seem very equable.
Isn’t the Polk es20 or even r1 (often on sale for $400-500) a better comparison?
Hi! I have the Elac Debut Connex (The small active ones). While they sound good,
anyone have any idea how Debut 3.0 compares?
So if you have the cash, it looks like it’s still quite a step up to get the DBR62. I wonder if they’re going to refresh the reference model pretty soon as well.
I am going to use your link to buy the center speaker
Well, thank you.
Would you recommend these with the towers for a starter 5.1 system then add onto it?
Erin, I just picked up a pair of the XT20 and have not even unboxed them for $200 new. I have access to a pair of the DB63 for about 400. Is it worth the upgrade? I have a Wiim amp and plan to do some serious room correction.
What about the ELAC SW1225, which is the most bang for your buck?
Hi Erin! Do you have plans to review Mission 700 or 770, or maybe new Leak sandwich? All of them are designed by Peter Comeau
Hello 👋🏼
What about the 3.0 Towers?
Nice review! Quick question… Is it possible that the room correction on the WiiM can damage speakers? It seems my Klipsch RP600Ms sound lifeless after running the room correction. Even with room correction off or on.
Any frequency response problems can easily be fixed with a Behringer 31 band EQ. .
Not true. Depends on what is causing the response problems, as erin noted in the review. You can’t fix problems stemming from directivity for example. Or many crossover issues.
And please…there are MUCH better, More precise and flexible and sonically superior ways to apply eq than that berringer. In software or software/hardware.
And 31 bands are ok but will never be as good as proper parametric eq.
@@ManFromLaBamba ok but most frequency response problems can be fixed with EQ
@@dangerzone007 Not necessarily.
You speak of setting up an equalizer at specific frequency points. Where do you get an equalizer these days and how would I hook it up to my integrated amplifier with turntable, CD player and a streamer? I haven't seen an equalizer for sale since the '70s
You can buy something like the miniDSP. Or as I said in the video use something from WiiM’s product line which has built-in EQ options. If you want to go high end with EQ then there is the DEQX brand of products.
@@ErinsAudioCornerIs that how everyone is doing that? Wiim products are popular but I can't imagine that every one of your viewers owns a wiim or the other product you mentioned.
@@greenbeginner9221 Many (most?) people are listening to music through streaming (Spotify, Tidal) or music files (FLAC, mp3) and not physical media (CD's, vinyl) anymore. So people have access to EQ through their streamer like the WiiM, through PC music playing software (foobar2000), or the miniDSP products. Schiit Audio sells analog EQ products (Loki, Lokius) similar in function to those from the 70's, but the digital ones are more precise.
@@greenbeginner9221well another option is to buy speakers you won’t need to eq…or at least not like these need to be.
WiiM is just an example.
However, I recommend checking out one of the Wiim preamp/streaming devices that has a phono input and phono preamp built in. Of course it also has at least one line level rca input for your cd player and a couple digital ones if your cd player has a digital output. For very little money that little Wiim likely matches and outperforms the preamp section of your integrated.
Alternatively, as erin mentioned, if your integrated has preouts between the preamp section and power amp section (usually with jumpers across rca jacks) you can put a minidsp device between them and everything you run through the integrated will have whatever eq or dsp you set it up with. You can even do room measurements etc.
Or you could put a minidsp device before the preamp one one input and use a passive signal switcher to switch inputs. Some of the devices can accommodate more than one source and have multiple channels of output. But that’s is a mess of cables!
The mini dsp devices will let you eq anything, including turntables and cassette tapes to your hearts content. The analogue signals are first converted into digital, then eq is applied, and then output. I’m sure the idea of converting a turntable signal to digital will be horrifying to some, but these days if done right you will never know and in any case and degradation will be far less than an old analog eq.
Old analogue graphic equalizers are obsolete. We are in the golden age of eq, dsp, etc. without ANY signal degradation.
Capabilities now goes far beyond basic eq, you can compensate of time delays, many room reflections, etc.
Though as erin notes: you cannot eq or dsp away every issue, and some speakers eq well and others do not.
Most decent streaming devices have eq , some better than others. If using a computer as a source, with software like roon etc you can eq to your hearts content.
Most AVRs have at least some sort of rudimentary manu
al equalizer you can use. And any decent one will have now have decent auto measuring dsp protocols (audessy, Dirac, etc) . Not using those with an avr is like trying to drive a car without a suspension.
It's primarily done in software these days, not hardware. Most people use digital sources so it is straightforward to do so. Pro audio world still has analog PEQ boxes.
Erin, any chance of you getting Ascend Accoustics too Bookshelf speaker any time soon
these vs debut reference. are the reference really better than these?
Erin, you keep menitoning the March audio amplifiers which are Purifi based. I am looking to purchase the new stereo amplifier once it is available. Can you please do a review of these or comment here on how they perform, especially this versus their stereo models or versus other class D or AB amps in the same price range. I know they are also releasing a new stereo model. You could end up putting march Audio (a small western Australian company) that genuinely makes good products at a good price on the map and I am totally here for that!
When you say that the sibilance is crossover related what do you mean exactly? And why can't it be resolved by equalization
There’s a directivity mismatch that is “baked in” to the design where the on-axis response differs from the off-axis a good bit in the crossover region. And since you cannot separate on axis from off axis response you cannot EQ them separately. Which means you can’t “EQ away” those kind of issues. Not without sacrificing something else in tonality. This was more prevalent in the previous model. Not this one.
Since you said most people would have these in a living room setting, what do you look for in a speaker for a setup like that? Of course the bass shelf like on the KEF, but other than that, is it just good directivity, flat on-axis response, and low bass extension?
Also do you have a list of the best speakers at certain price points? For example based on your reviews, for $400 I would definitely get the Kali LP-6v2 over these ELACs. But then I'm left wondering if there are even better speakers than the LP-6v2's for the same or less money 🤔
Those are what I’d be looking for, yes. 👍
I do have a few different videos at different price points. I believe I did one last fall for under $500. And I’ve had others sprinkled in.
Still have to watch the full video (doing now) but I ordered a pair last week (they didn’t arrive yet) but I have the feeling I should cancel the order.. Will update/comment once I finished watching the video.
Well I think for me personally I’ll keep them. They still seem like nice speakers for the price point. And I’m sure after running Audyssey and my custom REW script afterwards I can get rid of some of the issues you mentioned.
Are the db53's same liniar, does somebody know?
What software did you use? i mean the eq software?
What I showed on screen is REW.
What I used to make the adjustments is in the WiiM Ultra (or the WiiM Amp).
@@ErinsAudioCorner ok i wonder if i can use equalizer apo to do the same?
@@jamestimmons6022 Pretty sure you can.
Speaking of Danny. But he would say .... u will need a 300 to 600 dollars for a upgrade I've heard these speakers and yes it Needs something
Lol yep
I dont understand most of the tech details..In summary it is a good speaker for that price?
Not speaking for Erin but I think he summed it up pretty good. If you have the ability to eq it's got good bang for the buck. Also don't forget the sub to bring up that low end.
Yes
@@yottabyter thank you
Would you buy these over the Wharefeld Lintons 85?
Heck no.
Where can I find that shirt? 👀
Why doesn't anyone review the
ELAC Debut 3.0 DF63-BK Floorstanding Speaker. I see no reviews out there, but you all went crazy on bookshelf version.
You thought I went crazy for this speaker? Are we watching the same review?
@@ErinsAudioCorner Rewatched video. I think you kind of liked them. But I love your data first review style. Strong work! Hope you do 63 floors.
Hi @ErinsAudioCorner, what software calculates EPDR for you? Do you happen to have the formula? Thanks.
I have a formula in matlab that takes the impedance phase and magnitude and calculate it. I don’t recall where I found the equation offhand, though.
Large radius port flares damp pressure wave tuning. Andrew Jones had it right on the original Debuts.
Thanks Erin!!!
In your opinion, is this one better than the Kef q3 metas you recently reviewed?
I wouldn't think so
How are these for near field? Like on a desktop?
Kind of overkill. Check out the Kali LP-UNF. Review here:
ua-cam.com/video/hOkMVbW7Yts/v-deo.html
Well spoken!cheap audio man is just cheap! Where is the old cheap audioman?!
Would you choose the Kali LP6 over these?
Yeah.
@ Thanks!
7.2kg Erin :) Simple math, wight in pounds / 2 and then substract another 20%... or weight in pounds and devide by 2.2 :) thanks for the review btw
Hey everybody! That made me laugh!
A couple of thoughts on this one and something for you to consider or try....
I'd love to see you add a spectral decay to your measurements. This speaker is a good example of how that will give you some very useful and telling information.
That big peak in the response at 650Hz could be a number of things. If it is a resonance then it will show stored energy at that spot and it will show up in the spectral decay as an area that takes longer to settle. Or it could be more of an amplitude peak with little to no ringing. Typically a peak like this will be ringing, but the spectral decay will show how bad it is. It could be ringing a little or a lot.
We also sometimes see a dip and peaked area in the 800 to 1,100 region that is actually a reflection or diffraction from the inside edge of the woofer through hole if it was not radiused with a rounded or chamfered edge on the inside. This diffraction will cause issues in the response like that but it will not have the ringing of a resonance. That problem is also solvable with a special round over bit for a router that will round off the inside edge.
It would also be interesting to see the spectral decay before and after you apply the EQ to fix it. EQ is basically turning it down in the peaked area. If it is a resonance then it turns the level down a little, but the resonance is still there and there will still be ringing, and still be audible. So it could be a band aid and not a real fix.
Also, a bad resonance will often show up in the impedance curve. That will confirm the resonance.
Haha. Glad you got a laugh out of it.
Thanks for the recommendations on the other stuff. In the past I’ve taken out drivers to make sure the issue isn’t that (basket resonance, surround resonance, etc). I need to go that more often in cases where we see these high-Q resonances.
Take care!
I would love to see you review the Evoke 30 speakers as it is a speaker i am seriously considering but i have no means to listen to it and even if i could i would still wait till you make a review on it.
Get a pair of EPOS instead
Previous serie have front reflex now rear...I dont understand why...mah really misterious 😂
Did you screw in the speaker feel? Huge difference!
Kidding. Sorry.
Interesting
Not surprised that all the UA-cam reviewers said this was punching 10x above its price point 🤔
Thank you for doing all this work and putting out the review
You do the community a great service
At some point Danny will be asked to do an upgrade
As one comment noted, they bought from Crutchfield and did an in home demo and returned
Snake oil Danny 😂
@@AndrewB23 Danny/GR Research are fine by me so my opinion is contrary to your opinion
I do believe that he will end up with a pair of these speakers for upgrade
Because the owner thought they were buying a great speaker and did not, or were not, able to do an in home demo to see if they liked them
Some I expect would be just fine owing these speakers and be happy and that is all that matters
10% of Danny’s business is speaker upgrades
Snake oil to me is shilling sub-optimal components on UA-cam
@@middleearthltd You mean like power cables?🤣
Erin please do the arendal 1528 TOWER 8 next please 🙏🙏🙏
3 Ft? Really? I don't have that kind of room anywhere in my home. Why can't they just make them front ported?
Same here. I'm leaning DBR62 because of the front port.