1, 2, 5, 4, 3 Sydney may have had the least screen time in 5 but it was my favorite portrayal of her. She's sick of the s**t. It's a spiritual vibe I feel with her.
Except she didn’t follow through and shoot everyone in the kneecaps!!!! If she did that… amazeballs. I prefer her “F you” attitude in Scream 2 third act when she declares she killed Billy and then slices Mickey with her necklace.
23:50 I first saw Jenna Ortega in season 2 of the show YOU, and then Scream 5, but yeah it's crazy how much stuff she's been in this year. (Especially in horror. She's becoming a new horror queen.)
Sam character is annoying as f. Yes she inspires that level of reaction in me . Jenna seems to carry their relationship/ scenes. It’s like that dig at Gale that without GF she’s scared that she could fade into oblivion. Same may be true of Sam/Tara dynamic. Btw was I the only one that caught the shade throne at Neve,old school fans and possibly critics, throughout film? Or maybe it was my loyalty to Neve that made me overly sensitive?
I don't hate Scream 5 but Scream 6 will define whether I trust or don't trust the writers. Maybe Scream 5 didn't work as well because they were trying to mimic Wes Crave instead of doing their own thing. Hopefully Scream 6 will change that and it will be something different. We'll get to see a Radiosilence Scream. And I'D LOVE a cliffhanger.
Yeah, I was one of those that at first glance thought Amber lifted him, but when someone argued that she didn't and I actually went watched just that scene I admitted I was wrong. She doesn't lift him. It's how she stands and the camera lowers to give the esthetic, but she doesn't lift him.
Sam told Tara about Billy being her father because Richie said "Do you know why someone would attack your sister?" And so she felt like someone attacked Tara BECAUSE of Billy being her father. Also, Sam wouldn't have necessarily returned to Woodsboro. In fact, if anything, it would purposely make her avoid Woodsboro. If she thinks a killer is targeting her (and therefore killed her sister) she would be dumb to return to Woodsboro. However, keeping Tara alive basically guarantees Sam's return. She would want to protect her sister. Besides, a funeral wouldn't happen right away anyway because their mother was out of town. So I definitely believe they purposely kept Tara alive. Even IF Sam would have returned if Tara had died, there was no guarantee for the reasons I already stated. So keeping Tara alive pretty much guarantees Sam returns. Dewey wasn't inept in his death scene. Once he got the killer down, his goal was to get the others to safety. Once they were in the elevator, he knew he had to shoot the killer in the head or they'd came back. I don't think it was contrived at all. Makes perfect sense. As for looking at his phone, it wasn't a conscious choice. As Eddie said, the phone ringing made him turn his head on instinct and Ghostface jumped up a spilt second later. It wasn't like Dewey stared at his phone for 30 seconds before he was killed. It was almost instant. Personally, Dewey's death is my favorite death of the entire franchise. I thought it was a badass way to go out and Ghostface looked really cool in it. The death was brutal AND the lines of dialogue were awesome. And thank you, Zack, for saying Amber doesn't lift Dewey. I'm tired of hearing people say that. The people who think Stu (or Dewey) is returning are just setting themselves up for disappointment. I've already seen people say they were pissed Stu wasn't the killer in Scream 5. A movie could absolutely use a fictionalized version of Sidney. Do you think Team America World Police got permission from all of those actors? Or do you think those were real events that they were allowed to use? Family Guy and South Park depict real people all the time without their permission and without it being a real life scenario. And those are just SOME examples. There are many, many more.
Adding in the new one, my take is 1,2, 4, 3, 6 then 5. The last two are trash. The Carpenter sisters are awful, though Chad and Mindy have potential. The killers in 5 and 6 have been terrible with Richie and Amber being the worst. I normally like Dermot Mulroney but I found his character way too over the top and unbelievable and having 3 killers was just a desperate grasp to make it "different" than the other movies.
Truly amazing analysis/review, as always! So many great points from both of you. I agree that Scream 2022 at times has the leaziest writing, or the least careful. It doesn't make the movie weak though, mostly due to huge directors passion for the franchise, and due to the huge, huuuuuuge emotional impact that legace characters brought to this movie! Dewey on the phone with Syd, interactions between him and Gale, between Gale and Syd, Dewey's death, Jesus, it was all so moving! Cheers guys!
My thoughts exactly. 4 did everything that 5 was attempting to do, but competently. It hit all the marks. Great social commentary that doesn't rely soley on the Stab movies, great horror scenes and atmosphere, great dialogue, effective kills. 5 isn't bad, it's just the 5th best
Amazing episode! Scream is my favorite franchise so I always get extra excited when you guys cover the franchise. I agree Neve did the most she could with the limited screen time & delivered a great performance as Sidney. Can’t wait for VI and hope she is back for VII
Great podcast. Love ❤️ all the scream episodes. My ranking is: 1,3,4,5,2 Scream 3 is 2nd on my ranking for Parker Posey alone. Parker Posey needs to have a cameo in the next movie.
I’m a huge SCREAM fan and I enjoyed this video. It was refreshing to hear some not so popular opinions of the movies. I think the writers are on the fence about the Sam character. They almost wanna make her a killer because of who her pops was, but they wanna make her one of the good guys because she’s Tara’s sister and she’s doing all she can to submit to the urges.
The reason the Scream franchise is my all time favorite (not just in horror) is because the first film is literally the only film to scare me. I first saw it when I was 10 and by that point I'd seen SOOO many horror films. Scream actually scared me AND on multiple viewings. So that always stuck with me. Also, the writing, directing, acting, characters, etc is all top notch. When it comes to the sequels, I look at the whole franchise as one big story. Like you would a tv series. So when I talk about my favorite movie, I lump all of the films together. I don't have a ranking. There are things about each film that I love over the others. So I enjoy them all equally. Also, everything Zack said are his reasons for hating Amber are my reasons for loving her. I just genuinely enjoyed Mikey Madison's performance. Not to mention how aggressive her Ghostface was.
1, 2, 4, 5, or vise versa (depending on the day), and finally 3. If it wasn't for Parker Posey and Patrick Warburton and also Carrie Fisher, Scream 3 would be unwatchable. Thank you for the vid!
1, 2, 3, 5, 4. i know it's out of whack from popular opinion, but i love what i love! I love the series as a whole! I love them all, but i find each movie completely different depending on my attention and my love for each movie after the ending. I also have seen every single one in the theater since the first. Im showing my age, but they all mean the world to me.
However, not to the popular opinion, I LOVE SCREAM 3, it changes the trajectory so much to everything Scream! I loved that switch up. 4 was good, but my love for the first trilogy can't be swayed.
36:10 - Wrong. Sidney and Gale never intended to have the killers arrested. They wanted the killers dead. Which is why in the hospital scene with Sam, Sidney and Gale, Sid says to Sam "I won't rest until he's in the ground. I want you to help us kill him."
My ranking is 1,4,2,3,5 I like 4 cus it’s the first movie I was old enough(or even alive for) to see in theaters. And it’s the first time I actually was a fan of the actors and knew them. (Like I had no clue who the guy was that played Roman or the lady who played Mrs.Loomis so both those reveals seem so random to me. But I get that they are big names so it was cool that they were killers.) 2 and 3 switch up a lot for me but I think Scream 2 has one of the best Act 1 and 2 but the least rewatchable Act 3/killer reveal and with Scream 3 I think only the two Gales make it rewatchable BUT it has an amazing Act 3 imo, I love everyone running around the mansion maze getting killed off. But also has the worst killer reveal haha 5 just doesn’t really have anything special in it. It’s fine for a Scream movie, and a tribute to Wes but it didn’t just take a breath and give us a good suspenseful scene or chase.
Though I've long enjoyed Zack's work, this is my first exposure to The Cherry Picker. My main takeaway is that Eddie is amazing. Such good insights, and a fun persona. Edward is truth, indeed.
40:12 this applies to Halloween Ends as well lol. 59:36 everyone knows how mad Gale's bangs were and the movie even acknowledges this, when Sam and Ritchie enter Dewey's "house" Gale says 'bangs again, stage an intervention'. 1:27:32 Luckily Gale and Sydney were frozen in time in the kitchen while Sam fought with Ritchie and conveniently walk out once she kills him lol then Tara is just conveniently standing there with a gun just waiting for Amber to come back alive? Ok. 1:32:44 lol. Agree that Dewey's kill was contrived, also really dislike Sam's dumb smirk when the elevator opens up right before Dewey shoots Ghostface. 2:25:26 this line was made because the writers were probably aware that Neve wouldn't return and so this is about Scream not Stab, as she will have been in every movie except the last one (Scream 6). 2:39:05 yea I'm not on the ride for act 3, so much nonsense lol. 2:44:27 no one would say what Ritchie says as they're getting stabbed to death, stupid line and then it's topped with the "I still prefer the Babadook." 2:44:43 if she were to be good in 5cream doesn't change that she wasn't great (being nice) in Scream 5. Oh and when at the Meeks place where we see pictures of Randy there is a picture of the cinema showing and the movies are 'A Nightmare On Elm Street, The Hills Have Eyes, The Last House On The Left' Great podcast as always, I know Eddie won't watch the trailer but Scream 6 looks so much better than 5cream.
I find myself talking with myself watching these as if I’m talking with you guys and it gave me an idea, don’t know how well it would work out. But have you ever thought about adding a tier to your patreon where me, the listener, can join you for a few hour podcast talking about a horror movie we agree on?
1, 4, 5, 2, 3. I just look for a fun story and characters, and a shocking ending. I didn’t care for any of the new characters in 2 and only Jennifer in 3. And nothing tops the Jill reveal
1, 4, 2, 5, 3 in terms of which ones I like to rewatch and see UA-camr reactions to the most. I am so excited for 6! Between this and Evil Dead Rise it really looks like horror fans are in for a less horror-comedy centric year than 2022 was.
The first three Stab films had the main character of ‘Sidney Prescott’. Played by Tori Spelling and whoever replaced Angelina in Stab 3. They could’ve easily made Stab 4, 5, 6 and 7 with the main character being named ‘Sidney’ and make no reference to her last name. From a legal perspective, it’s easily attainable. Depending on the contents of the films themselves, it may be arguable that Sidney could sue for them using her likeness. But if the actions of the character within 4-7 don’t match with what Sidney is actually like, that is a point the studio could argue saying it is a separate character and not a representation of Sidney Prescott. I completely agree that it is messily written and massively overlooked but from a legal perspective it is possible.
Yeah. Movies depict real people without their permission. Harold & Kumar Escape Guantanamo Bay had a depiction of George Bush and I doubt they asked Bush about it. Team America depicted a bunch of celebrities and they definitely didn't get all of their permission.
I do like your alternate idea of having them frame Sam and that other guy who was related to Stu, Zack. Having him disappear and pop up in the last act kidnapped would have invoked Neil Prescott from the first movie.
@Michael 92 i respect that list and don’t disagree with any of those points senor, honestly for me (and I recently rewatched the series for scre6m..) it’s picking favorites at the end of the day as I love all these films, 3 has always been my favorite cause it offered the most development imo for Dewey and gale. Plus changing the scenery and offering that Hollywood setting. We also get randy cameo back which is my fav character of the series. 4 also followed in 3 footsteps with building gale immensely and that opening is killer. 2 just felt like riding the insane high of the first film which is awesome but I found more in the later installments
Thanks Zack! "The horror" was supposed to be said in the voice lmao. Since watching the pod I've been saying horror and trauma in the voice. I mainly agree with Zack where the movie has fallen for me and I don't think it has a lot of replay value, but I do enjoy certain aspects like Eddie with Amber's zanyness and the impact of the legacy characters. The film is one that I think is better enjoyed at face value and falters when it's deeply dissected. Still enjoy it of course as it is a Scream movie. My ranking is probably 1>4>2>5>3 at the moment.
My favs are 1, 5, 4, 2, 3 but omg when I consider 2 being that low I always reevaluate because I love them so much. I’m still riding the Scream 5 hype. And I know it’s not perfect but how wonderful all those Easter eggs for the big fans. The whole movie is just stuffed with Easter eggs from past movies and I really appreciate it mostly for that reason solely. They definitely overlooked some things but they put some real details on it and it makes my heart happy. I’ll always appreciate it because of that. Ranked intros would be 1, 5, 2, 4, 3. I really dislike the intro in 4 however Scream 3 will always be a level underneath because that damn voice changer. I love it but it will always be my least fav Scream movie (fingers crossed I didn’t just jinx Scream iV for myself)
Today for me: 1, 2, 3, 5, 4…I think that Tara is more of a Gail - part of the equation by her circumstance where as Sam was born into it and will have to redeem herself in spite of who her father was. Sidney had a lot of guilt and shame to work through, being Maureen Prescott’s daughter, especially throughout the first two movies. What do I know?? Very thought provoking to consider 🙌🏽
There once was a film named Scream…The writing was great although their seemed to be somewhat of a plot struggle. This was like a transformers/ Jurassic park movie. Like the bots and Dinos,Ghost face is definitely the star and the cast are incidental. The character with the best lines,screen time and purpose IS Ghostface. It had emotional moments that made me sad for both victim and GF. He seemed fed up. The writing in this film has cut the cord and GF is free to roam at will, legacy/revenge/cults no longer matter.
Jenna Ortega is AMAZING in this movie! This is the first thing I've seen her in and I was SUPER impressed! This new cast makes me feel so confident in carrying on the SCREAM Legacy!
Thinking about your point about the killers being stupid in this movie got me thinking about how every killer in this series is stupid. With Stu, his excuse was peer pressure(like that would hold up). With the 2nd film, Timothy olyphant's character thought to blame the media, Roman was just sad and pathetic and Jill didn't really care about Charlie who wasn't smart enough to realize Jill was using him. So every killer was stupid. 😃
Scream Scream 2 Scream 4 Scream 5 Gap Scream 3 Zach I 1000% percent get where you are coming from because I really can’t say whether 4 or 5 is better than the other I think I just like more characters in 4 than I do 5 Scream 1 2 4 and 5 are all really good and some classics of course. 3 is just.. an okay movie
The voice changer and the killer reveal just completely ruin 3 for me. I only watch it for Parker Posey, the main cast and kills I like better in every other movie.
What if in "Scream 6" instead of Billy Loomis visions for Sam, we get Mrs Loomis visions for Sam (thus get Laurie Metcalf and her amazing crazy eyes back)?
My head canon for the Stab movies after watching Scream 5 was Tori Spelling returned to play Sidney in Stab 3. The character was not part of 4 and didn’t do well at the box office. So for Stab 5 the time travel had Ghostface go back not to stop Sidney from ever being born, but to become her father. Therefore her name wouldn’t be Sidney Prescott and the studio could go on using the character with a different name. Also another lazy writing moment surrounding the Stab films: Tara reveals Vince Vaughan played Stu, but when Mindy is watching Stab that is clearly not Vince Vaughan playing Stu.
It was clear that Tara survived as you could see her in the wheelchair in the hospital, etc You could also see it was clearly Judy being killed in the front yard in daylight as well. You can see her long blonde hair even. The trailer gave away so much. I knew Dewey was going to die in the hospital as well.
With the Dewy kill, it would been cool if Dewy had actually killed Ghostface. Had him come back and deliver the bullet, and just as he’s about to take off the mask and show who it is, a second Ghostface steps out and takes him out. That would have been unexpected and a more satisfying exit. They could have had it as Liv as the 3rd Ghostface
This might be a little TOO meta, but if the Stab 3 that was made is about the events of Scream 3, then that means that all the characters in Scream 3 are also canon to Stab 3, including Jennifer Jolie. Meaning that if she had survived, she would be playing Gale, herself, AND any versions of Gale from previous Stab movies. But would the in-universe version of Scream IN Stab also be called Stab? Or would it be called something else? Slash, perhaps?
I think Sam not knowing whether she did it or not may be a part of the next one based on the confession scene and the holding the mask scene in the trailer
Hey Zack, would you like your next podcast to be dedicated to the original terminator? And yes i think is in many ways a horror film like Alien. It's a perfect combination of sci-fi, action and horror in my opinion as others like Cody leach and Jeremy jahns and sean chandler have mentioned in their reviews. And because it's the only terminator movie where Arnold is the villan, he is a lot more intemidating and a prime example of badasserie, unlike the sequels, which turned him into the comic relief. And we can also make the argument that Sarah Conor is basically a final girl, one of the best in the genre! so why not? And also big mistake by your count to not include the movie in the Every single movie reference in scream 2, whenever they were discussing sequels
I think Tara feels more like Sid too because she seems like the most real character in the film, not having it at all, no camp, just like a real person dropped into this horror movie that wants to get out and reacts immediately and realistically appropriately to the severity of the danger.
Wasn’t Scream 4 always going to have Jenny and Marnie, along with the Stab cameos? The only difference is they kill Jenny first on the couch and then chase Marnie. But that one is so quick and no buildup.
I’m not too far into the podcast yet so I don’t know if this gets brought up, but I also don’t think the kills in this movie were all that creative. Not that Scream has ever been anything like a Saw movie level of uniqueness, but there’s always been some level of variety, and in this movie it was literally just he gets stabbed, she gets stabbed, they get stabbed. Like there wasn’t anything that interesting about the way the killer did their thing.
My ranking 1,5,2,4,3. Roman was def the worst killer for me and the cast as a whole is why 5 is so high. Kirby was the best part of 4 and I’m glad she’s back. 2 is really good but man that second act drags
Mine is different also I would say Scream 2 Scream Scream 4 Scream 3 Scream 5 Scream 5 is last for me just because it didn’t really feel like a scream movie, and because Dewey died middle of the movie not the first or last. And I hated the killers because I predicted them from the start.
I want the killers motivations to be interesting, I want the killer to be seen throughout the full movie (looking at you scream 3 😒), I want the friends to be witty and unique, I want good kills, and I want CHASE SCENES.
I'll admit the first time seeing scream(5) I completely forgot Liv got shot by Amber. I even asked my friend "I wonder what happened to that Liv character" haha. That's how forgettable she was lol.
Why am I done seeing new Scream movies come out, but I’m going to watch 6 to see what could possibly happen next? 😂 I think it’s good to move on from the main cast if these continue. The best part of 5 was the build up scene with Wes. The rest was ok. No matter how many times I see 4, I can’t enjoy it. I feel like there is no tension whatsoever. I have a lot of love for the original trilogy. I can watch any of those and feel happy.
I haven’t watched 6 yet. I own it, I just spread my movies out, I’m weird. My rank is probably 1, 2,4,5,3. I liked 5 a lot more than I thought I would. And I think as the years go by I like 4 more every time and 2 less every time,lol. I’ve always thought 3 is for the most part garbage, I remember liking cottons death.
I am choosing the cop to die for a couple reasons. 1. ACAB 2. All he has to do is sit and make sure one person doesn't die, and yet he's horrible at it?? 3. He doesn't even try to make Sam feel better when she's worried about her sister who has just been skewered like a pig
I love Sydney but she may not exist without Laurie. What is it that Sydney says, "Don't F with the original?" Laurie Strode is Yoda, and Sydney Prescott is Obi- Wan. Both rock in their own way but one owes a lot to the other.
2, 1, 5, 3, 4. 4 would be above 3 if it didn’t have such a weak ending. Shots going off in the hospital and no one hears that ? Always took me out of the movie.
@Michael 92 I think the scream 2 original is arguably better. Roger L Jackson and Tara performance were great in the 5 opening. It felt like his best voice work since the first movie.
1, 2, 5, 4, 3 Sydney may have had the least screen time in 5 but it was my favorite portrayal of her. She's sick of the s**t. It's a spiritual vibe I feel with her.
I agree! Something about her being a grown woman with a family that just hits different! I loved it! And Neve is just so damn beautiful! ❤️
Except she didn’t follow through and shoot everyone in the kneecaps!!!!
If she did that… amazeballs.
I prefer her “F you” attitude in Scream 2 third act when she declares she killed Billy and then slices Mickey with her necklace.
The "I'm Sydney Prescott. Of Course I have a fucking gun" is my favorite line of the the franchise
@@DarkJediJoker actually the line is "I'm Sidney fucking Prescott, of course I have a gun".
This is film class, right? Hahaha
@@JessieDee13 you're absolutely right lol my bad. Getting close to binge time and go back through the series before 6
23:50 I first saw Jenna Ortega in season 2 of the show YOU, and then Scream 5, but yeah it's crazy how much stuff she's been in this year. (Especially in horror. She's becoming a new horror queen.)
Sam character is annoying as f. Yes she inspires that level of reaction in me . Jenna seems to carry their relationship/ scenes. It’s like that dig at Gale that without GF she’s scared that she could fade into oblivion. Same may be true of Sam/Tara dynamic.
Btw was I the only one that caught the shade throne at Neve,old school fans and possibly critics, throughout film? Or maybe it was my loyalty to Neve that made me overly sensitive?
I don't hate Scream 5 but Scream 6 will define whether I trust or don't trust the writers. Maybe Scream 5 didn't work as well because they were trying to mimic Wes Crave instead of doing their own thing. Hopefully Scream 6 will change that and it will be something different. We'll get to see a Radiosilence Scream. And I'D LOVE a cliffhanger.
Another 3 hr Scream episode!!! Hell yes!!! This is literally going to get me through today. You guys make my week, and I'm so grateful.
LMFAO Of course it's over three hours long. Your love for Scream is admirable Zack 🤙
Yeah, I was one of those that at first glance thought Amber lifted him, but when someone argued that she didn't and I actually went watched just that scene I admitted I was wrong. She doesn't lift him. It's how she stands and the camera lowers to give the esthetic, but she doesn't lift him.
Sam told Tara about Billy being her father because Richie said "Do you know why someone would attack your sister?" And so she felt like someone attacked Tara BECAUSE of Billy being her father.
Also, Sam wouldn't have necessarily returned to Woodsboro. In fact, if anything, it would purposely make her avoid Woodsboro. If she thinks a killer is targeting her (and therefore killed her sister) she would be dumb to return to Woodsboro. However, keeping Tara alive basically guarantees Sam's return. She would want to protect her sister. Besides, a funeral wouldn't happen right away anyway because their mother was out of town. So I definitely believe they purposely kept Tara alive. Even IF Sam would have returned if Tara had died, there was no guarantee for the reasons I already stated. So keeping Tara alive pretty much guarantees Sam returns.
Dewey wasn't inept in his death scene. Once he got the killer down, his goal was to get the others to safety. Once they were in the elevator, he knew he had to shoot the killer in the head or they'd came back. I don't think it was contrived at all. Makes perfect sense. As for looking at his phone, it wasn't a conscious choice. As Eddie said, the phone ringing made him turn his head on instinct and Ghostface jumped up a spilt second later. It wasn't like Dewey stared at his phone for 30 seconds before he was killed. It was almost instant. Personally, Dewey's death is my favorite death of the entire franchise. I thought it was a badass way to go out and Ghostface looked really cool in it. The death was brutal AND the lines of dialogue were awesome. And thank you, Zack, for saying Amber doesn't lift Dewey. I'm tired of hearing people say that.
The people who think Stu (or Dewey) is returning are just setting themselves up for disappointment. I've already seen people say they were pissed Stu wasn't the killer in Scream 5.
A movie could absolutely use a fictionalized version of Sidney. Do you think Team America World Police got permission from all of those actors? Or do you think those were real events that they were allowed to use? Family Guy and South Park depict real people all the time without their permission and without it being a real life scenario. And those are just SOME examples. There are many, many more.
Ranking from best to otherwise:
1, 2, 5, 4, 3.
Been so excited for this. 😁
Adding in the new one, my take is 1,2, 4, 3, 6 then 5.
The last two are trash. The Carpenter sisters are awful, though Chad and Mindy have potential.
The killers in 5 and 6 have been terrible with Richie and Amber being the worst.
I normally like Dermot Mulroney but I found his character way too over the top and unbelievable and having 3 killers was just a desperate grasp to make it "different" than the other movies.
Truly amazing analysis/review, as always!
So many great points from both of you.
I agree that Scream 2022 at times has the leaziest writing, or the least careful.
It doesn't make the movie weak though, mostly due to huge directors passion for the franchise, and due to the huge, huuuuuuge emotional impact that legace characters brought to this movie!
Dewey on the phone with Syd, interactions between him and Gale, between Gale and Syd, Dewey's death, Jesus, it was all so moving!
Cheers guys!
1, 4, 2, 3, 5.
I will never understand why 5 gets so much love, and 4 gets so much hate.
My thoughts exactly. 4 did everything that 5 was attempting to do, but competently. It hit all the marks. Great social commentary that doesn't rely soley on the Stab movies, great horror scenes and atmosphere, great dialogue, effective kills. 5 isn't bad, it's just the 5th best
Dude that's my same ranking for the first 5 movies
Tara Carpenter has asthma she afraid having a asthma attack ❤🎉 37:34
Parker Posey for every Scream film. Bring her back as a new character too.
AHHH I’ve been waiting forever ❤️
Scream 4’s opening wins because of the song on the title card. Something To Die For by The Sounds. Still a jam.
Thanks for reminding me of that song! It really is so catchy
@@Wraiven22 Yeah its great eh? I hope they use it again. maybe when Kirby walks on screen.
Amazing episode! Scream is my favorite franchise so I always get extra excited when you guys cover the franchise. I agree Neve did the most she could with the limited screen time & delivered a great performance as Sidney. Can’t wait for VI and hope she is back for VII
Great podcast. Love ❤️ all the scream episodes.
My ranking is: 1,3,4,5,2
Scream 3 is 2nd on my ranking for Parker Posey alone. Parker Posey needs to have a cameo in the next movie.
Your comment about Vince was so smart! Great podcast!
I rank it 1,2,5,3,4 but my favorite reveal would have to be the one in Scream 4 because that's the only one I didn't see coming
I’m a huge SCREAM fan and I enjoyed this video. It was refreshing to hear some not so popular opinions of the movies. I think the writers are on the fence about the Sam character. They almost wanna make her a killer because of who her pops was, but they wanna make her one of the good guys because she’s Tara’s sister and she’s doing all she can to submit to the urges.
The reason the Scream franchise is my all time favorite (not just in horror) is because the first film is literally the only film to scare me. I first saw it when I was 10 and by that point I'd seen SOOO many horror films. Scream actually scared me AND on multiple viewings. So that always stuck with me. Also, the writing, directing, acting, characters, etc is all top notch. When it comes to the sequels, I look at the whole franchise as one big story. Like you would a tv series. So when I talk about my favorite movie, I lump all of the films together. I don't have a ranking. There are things about each film that I love over the others. So I enjoy them all equally.
Also, everything Zack said are his reasons for hating Amber are my reasons for loving her. I just genuinely enjoyed Mikey Madison's performance. Not to mention how aggressive her Ghostface was.
I also thought of Tree’s mum at the point you were discussing the campfire scaring. Hahaha
I know its not necessarily horror, but are you guys gonna do an episode on The Menu? Would love to hear your take on it!
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1, 2, 4, 5, or vise versa (depending on the day), and finally 3. If it wasn't for Parker Posey and Patrick Warburton and also Carrie Fisher, Scream 3 would be unwatchable. Thank you for the vid!
Been waiting to watch this forever.
My ranking is
1,2,4,3 and 5.
I don't dislike any of them.
Some are just personally more enjoyable.
I don't believe there's a bad SCREAM movie.
1, 2, 3, 5, 4. i know it's out of whack from popular opinion, but i love what i love! I love the series as a whole! I love them all, but i find each movie completely different depending on my attention and my love for each movie after the ending. I also have seen every single one in the theater since the first. Im showing my age, but they all mean the world to me.
However, not to the popular opinion, I LOVE SCREAM 3, it changes the trajectory so much to everything Scream! I loved that switch up. 4 was good, but my love for the first trilogy can't be swayed.
36:10 - Wrong. Sidney and Gale never intended to have the killers arrested. They wanted the killers dead. Which is why in the hospital scene with Sam, Sidney and Gale, Sid says to Sam "I won't rest until he's in the ground. I want you to help us kill him."
My ranking is 1,4,2,3,5
I like 4 cus it’s the first movie I was old enough(or even alive for) to see in theaters. And it’s the first time I actually was a fan of the actors and knew them. (Like I had no clue who the guy was that played Roman or the lady who played Mrs.Loomis so both those reveals seem so random to me. But I get that they are big names so it was cool that they were killers.)
2 and 3 switch up a lot for me but I think Scream 2 has one of the best Act 1 and 2 but the least rewatchable Act 3/killer reveal and with Scream 3 I think only the two Gales make it rewatchable BUT it has an amazing Act 3 imo, I love everyone running around the mansion maze getting killed off. But also has the worst killer reveal haha
5 just doesn’t really have anything special in it. It’s fine for a Scream movie, and a tribute to Wes but it didn’t just take a breath and give us a good suspenseful scene or chase.
Finally the 5cream episode!! Love you guys
Though I've long enjoyed Zack's work, this is my first exposure to The Cherry Picker. My main takeaway is that Eddie is amazing. Such good insights, and a fun persona. Edward is truth, indeed.
40:12 this applies to Halloween Ends as well lol. 59:36 everyone knows how mad Gale's bangs were and the movie even acknowledges this, when Sam and Ritchie enter Dewey's "house" Gale says 'bangs again, stage an intervention'. 1:27:32 Luckily Gale and Sydney were frozen in time in the kitchen while Sam fought with Ritchie and conveniently walk out once she kills him lol then Tara is just conveniently standing there with a gun just waiting for Amber to come back alive? Ok. 1:32:44 lol. Agree that Dewey's kill was contrived, also really dislike Sam's dumb smirk when the elevator opens up right before Dewey shoots Ghostface. 2:25:26 this line was made because the writers were probably aware that Neve wouldn't return and so this is about Scream not Stab, as she will have been in every movie except the last one (Scream 6). 2:39:05 yea I'm not on the ride for act 3, so much nonsense lol. 2:44:27 no one would say what Ritchie says as they're getting stabbed to death, stupid line and then it's topped with the "I still prefer the Babadook." 2:44:43 if she were to be good in 5cream doesn't change that she wasn't great (being nice) in Scream 5.
Oh and when at the Meeks place where we see pictures of Randy there is a picture of the cinema showing and the movies are 'A Nightmare On Elm Street, The Hills Have Eyes, The Last House On The Left'
Great podcast as always, I know Eddie won't watch the trailer but Scream 6 looks so much better than 5cream.
I find myself talking with myself watching these as if I’m talking with you guys and it gave me an idea, don’t know how well it would work out. But have you ever thought about adding a tier to your patreon where me, the listener, can join you for a few hour podcast talking about a horror movie we agree on?
There's the "What's your favourite Horror Film" perk, where you can discuss a film of your choice with Zack.
@@silentsaturn7604 oh my gosh…I don’t know how I missed that!? That’s on me, my bad. Thanks for looking out!!!
It's like you kno when I'm guna have a long drive for work. I'm sure it's solid as usual I'm gassing up and hitting play.
✌️+💜
My favorite podcast, I love to listen in the shower and when I walk my dog
1, 4, 5, 2, 3. I just look for a fun story and characters, and a shocking ending. I didn’t care for any of the new characters in 2 and only Jennifer in 3. And nothing tops the Jill reveal
2:28:22 Hicks was playing Casey's character in the first Stab movie. So technically she was in one of the movies lol
That's Heather Graham playing "Casey" not Marley Shelton
1, 4, 2, 5, 3 in terms of which ones I like to rewatch and see UA-camr reactions to the most. I am so excited for 6! Between this and Evil Dead Rise it really looks like horror fans are in for a less horror-comedy centric year than 2022 was.
The first three Stab films had the main character of ‘Sidney Prescott’. Played by Tori Spelling and whoever replaced Angelina in Stab 3. They could’ve easily made Stab 4, 5, 6 and 7 with the main character being named ‘Sidney’ and make no reference to her last name. From a legal perspective, it’s easily attainable. Depending on the contents of the films themselves, it may be arguable that Sidney could sue for them using her likeness. But if the actions of the character within 4-7 don’t match with what Sidney is actually like, that is a point the studio could argue saying it is a separate character and not a representation of Sidney Prescott.
I completely agree that it is messily written and massively overlooked but from a legal perspective it is possible.
Yeah. Movies depict real people without their permission. Harold & Kumar Escape Guantanamo Bay had a depiction of George Bush and I doubt they asked Bush about it. Team America depicted a bunch of celebrities and they definitely didn't get all of their permission.
I do like your alternate idea of having them frame Sam and that other guy who was related to Stu, Zack. Having him disappear and pop up in the last act kidnapped would have invoked Neil Prescott from the first movie.
1,3,4,2,5 for me😁, another awesome episode yall
@Michael 92 i respect that list and don’t disagree with any of those points senor, honestly for me (and I recently rewatched the series for scre6m..) it’s picking favorites at the end of the day as I love all these films, 3 has always been my favorite cause it offered the most development imo for Dewey and gale. Plus changing the scenery and offering that Hollywood setting. We also get randy cameo back which is my fav character of the series. 4 also followed in 3 footsteps with building gale immensely and that opening is killer. 2 just felt like riding the insane high of the first film which is awesome but I found more in the later installments
Thanks Zack! "The horror" was supposed to be said in the voice lmao. Since watching the pod I've been saying horror and trauma in the voice.
I mainly agree with Zack where the movie has fallen for me and I don't think it has a lot of replay value, but I do enjoy certain aspects like Eddie with Amber's zanyness and the impact of the legacy characters. The film is one that I think is better enjoyed at face value and falters when it's deeply dissected. Still enjoy it of course as it is a Scream movie.
My ranking is probably
1>4>2>5>3 at the moment.
We had the same rankings! Glad to see another 4 lover ❤
Lauren Lavera from Terrifier 2 acts with the same intensity as Jenna Ortega. Great time to be a horror fan!
My favs are 1, 5, 4, 2, 3 but omg when I consider 2 being that low I always reevaluate because I love them so much. I’m still riding the Scream 5 hype. And I know it’s not perfect but how wonderful all those Easter eggs for the big fans. The whole movie is just stuffed with Easter eggs from past movies and I really appreciate it mostly for that reason solely. They definitely overlooked some things but they put some real details on it and it makes my heart happy. I’ll always appreciate it because of that.
Ranked intros would be 1, 5, 2, 4, 3. I really dislike the intro in 4 however Scream 3 will always be a level underneath because that damn voice changer. I love it but it will always be my least fav Scream movie (fingers crossed I didn’t just jinx Scream iV for myself)
Today for me: 1, 2, 3, 5, 4…I think that Tara is more of a Gail - part of the equation by her circumstance where as Sam was born into it and will have to redeem herself in spite of who her father was. Sidney had a lot of guilt and shame to work through, being Maureen Prescott’s daughter, especially throughout the first two movies. What do I know?? Very thought provoking to consider 🙌🏽
The point is that Gale has grown, that's why she's not acting like 3 or two. She probably started leaving when Dewy warmed her not to come.
There once was a film named Scream…The writing was great although their seemed to be somewhat of a plot struggle. This was like a transformers/ Jurassic park movie. Like the bots and Dinos,Ghost face is definitely the star and the cast are incidental. The character with the best lines,screen time and purpose IS Ghostface. It had emotional moments that made me sad for both victim and GF. He seemed fed up. The writing in this film has cut the cord and GF is free to roam at will, legacy/revenge/cults no longer matter.
I love Eddie's Cult of Ghostface idea because dummies like me would 100% go spend the money to see it in the theater lmao.
1,5, 2, 4, 3 to me 2 and 4 are interchangeable at the moment😅
Personally my list is 1, 5, 2, 4, 3. Although I enjoy all of the movies.
Jenna Ortega is AMAZING in this movie! This is the first thing I've seen her in and I was SUPER impressed! This new cast makes me feel so confident in carrying on the SCREAM Legacy!
Thinking about your point about the killers being stupid in this movie got me thinking about how every killer in this series is stupid. With Stu, his excuse was peer pressure(like that would hold up). With the 2nd film, Timothy olyphant's character thought to blame the media, Roman was just sad and pathetic and Jill didn't really care about Charlie who wasn't smart enough to realize Jill was using him. So every killer was stupid. 😃
Scream
Scream 2
Scream 4
Scream 5
Gap
Scream 3
Zach I 1000% percent get where you are coming from because I really can’t say whether 4 or 5 is better than the other I think I just like more characters in 4 than I do 5
Scream 1 2 4 and 5 are all really good and some classics of course. 3 is just.. an okay movie
Agree with you completely
The voice changer and the killer reveal just completely ruin 3 for me. I only watch it for Parker Posey, the main cast and kills I like better in every other movie.
2:02:30 I would love to see the entire movie voiced over by these guys
What if in "Scream 6" instead of Billy Loomis visions for Sam, we get Mrs Loomis visions for Sam (thus get Laurie Metcalf and her amazing crazy eyes back)?
your stab argument 2:25:00 further proves my theory that the writers for 5cream never saw scre4m -- 5cream is essentially a lesser remake of scre4m
My ranking: 1, 2, 4, 3, 5
My head canon for the Stab movies after watching Scream 5 was Tori Spelling returned to play Sidney in Stab 3. The character was not part of 4 and didn’t do well at the box office. So for Stab 5 the time travel had Ghostface go back not to stop Sidney from ever being born, but to become her father. Therefore her name wouldn’t be Sidney Prescott and the studio could go on using the character with a different name.
Also another lazy writing moment surrounding the Stab films: Tara reveals Vince Vaughan played Stu, but when Mindy is watching Stab that is clearly not Vince Vaughan playing Stu.
It just needed to be the ghost face ringing Dewey to distract him. Not just a coincidence
It was clear that Tara survived as you could see her in the wheelchair in the hospital, etc
You could also see it was clearly Judy being killed in the front yard in daylight as well. You can see her long blonde hair even. The trailer gave away so much. I knew Dewey was going to die in the hospital as well.
My Ranking may get some flack but... Scream2/ Scream / Scream 3 / Scream 5/ Scream 4
With the Dewy kill, it would been cool if Dewy had actually killed Ghostface. Had him come back and deliver the bullet, and just as he’s about to take off the mask and show who it is, a second Ghostface steps out and takes him out. That would have been unexpected and a more satisfying exit. They could have had it as Liv as the 3rd Ghostface
This might be a little TOO meta, but if the Stab 3 that was made is about the events of Scream 3, then that means that all the characters in Scream 3 are also canon to Stab 3, including Jennifer Jolie. Meaning that if she had survived, she would be playing Gale, herself, AND any versions of Gale from previous Stab movies. But would the in-universe version of Scream IN Stab also be called Stab? Or would it be called something else? Slash, perhaps?
I think Sam not knowing whether she did it or not may be a part of the next one based on the confession scene and the holding the mask scene in the trailer
1,4,5,2,3 is my ranking fo shooo!
Hey Zack, would you like your next podcast to be dedicated to the original terminator? And yes i think is in many ways a horror film like Alien. It's a perfect combination of sci-fi, action and horror in my opinion as others like Cody leach and Jeremy jahns and sean chandler have mentioned in their reviews. And because it's the only terminator movie where Arnold is the villan, he is a lot more intemidating and a prime example of badasserie, unlike the sequels, which turned him into the comic relief. And we can also make the argument that Sarah Conor is basically a final girl, one of the best in the genre! so why not?
And also big mistake by your count to not include the movie in the Every single movie reference in scream 2, whenever they were discussing sequels
I think Tara feels more like Sid too because she seems like the most real character in the film, not having it at all, no camp, just like a real person dropped into this horror movie that wants to get out and reacts immediately and realistically appropriately to the severity of the danger.
Jenna Ortega was also in iron man 3 believe it or not
Zack is it okay if you could do a episode on toxic Adventure 1984 whenever you get the chance to..........
Still find it funny that this movie had to do with requels when Scream 4 was one of the first
Scream: Not in my movie Scream 2: Just in case Scream 3: Stab 3 right Scream 4: Don't fuck with the original Scream 2022: Enjoy that torch
We need Jennifer Coolidge and Audbrey Plaza to join Scream VII
Stu must come back!
1,3,4,5,6,2. Yes that’s my list
The resort 2021 and maleviolence 2004 do one on that whenever you get around to it...........
1,5,2,4,3 for me, but I have only watched 1 more than once so far
Wasn’t Scream 4 always going to have Jenny and Marnie, along with the Stab cameos? The only difference is they kill Jenny first on the couch and then chase Marnie. But that one is so quick and no buildup.
I’m not too far into the podcast yet so I don’t know if this gets brought up, but I also don’t think the kills in this movie were all that creative. Not that Scream has ever been anything like a Saw movie level of uniqueness, but there’s always been some level of variety, and in this movie it was literally just he gets stabbed, she gets stabbed, they get stabbed. Like there wasn’t anything that interesting about the way the killer did their thing.
Scream the tv series did the “every character with mask” thing first! And I’m pretty sure it was season 1
Was first done in nip/tuck season 3, early 2000s ish
@@thecherrypicker The Carver!
My ranking goes
Scream 1
Scream 1
Scream 1
Scream 1
All in that order aswell
My ranking 1,5,2,4,3. Roman was def the worst killer for me and the cast as a whole is why 5 is so high. Kirby was the best part of 4 and I’m glad she’s back. 2 is really good but man that second act drags
Mine is different also
I would say
Scream 2
Scream
Scream 4
Scream 3
Scream 5
Scream 5 is last for me just because it didn’t really feel like a scream movie, and because Dewey died middle of the movie not the first or last. And I hated the killers because I predicted them from the start.
I want the killers motivations to be interesting, I want the killer to be seen throughout the full movie (looking at you scream 3 😒), I want the friends to be witty and unique, I want good kills, and I want CHASE SCENES.
Was Liv actually meant to be related to the Mackenzies (Drew Barrymore’s neighbours)? Or did they just forget about that as well?
I absofuckingloutely on the same page. Tara is Sidney and Sam is Gale. I honestly always thought Jenna resembled Neve a bit
I'll admit the first time seeing scream(5) I completely forgot Liv got shot by Amber. I even asked my friend "I wonder what happened to that Liv character" haha. That's how forgettable she was lol.
@Michael 92 yes it happened so abruptly that we both missed it haha!
Why am I done seeing new Scream movies come out, but I’m going to watch 6 to see what could possibly happen next? 😂 I think it’s good to move on from the main cast if these continue.
The best part of 5 was the build up scene with Wes. The rest was ok.
No matter how many times I see 4, I can’t enjoy it. I feel like there is no tension whatsoever.
I have a lot of love for the original trilogy. I can watch any of those and feel happy.
I haven’t watched 6 yet. I own it, I just spread my movies out, I’m weird. My rank is probably 1, 2,4,5,3. I liked 5 a lot more than I thought I would. And I think as the years go by I like 4 more every time and 2 less every time,lol. I’ve always thought 3 is for the most part garbage, I remember liking cottons death.
1, 4, 5, 2 and trailing 3
I am choosing the cop to die for a couple reasons.
1. ACAB
2. All he has to do is sit and make sure one person doesn't die, and yet he's horrible at it??
3. He doesn't even try to make Sam feel better when she's worried about her sister who has just been skewered like a pig
5 1 2 3 4 lol that’s mine but I feel 1 and 5 swap quite quickly tbh
i’d watch the Batman and Robin Pod
My order is 1,2,5, 3 and then 4. I have my reasons.
I see what Zack is saying about Amber but I feel that way about Richie. I hate him so much and I still get so annoyed that S6 is basically about him
I mean the toxic Avenger 1984 do a episode on that whenever you get the chance to..........
I will never understand how anyone likes Mickey. To me he is the worst killer. I even rank Charlie above him.
I love Sydney but she may not exist without Laurie. What is it that Sydney says, "Don't F with the original?" Laurie Strode is Yoda, and Sydney Prescott is Obi- Wan. Both rock in their own way but one owes a lot to the other.
1,4,5,2,3 🙏
My ranking
LOVE:
Scre4m
5cream
Like:
Scream 1(I personally think it’s a little overrated but I still like it)
Eh:
Scream 2
Bad:
Scream 3
2, 1, 5, 3, 4. 4 would be above 3 if it didn’t have such a weak ending. Shots going off in the hospital and no one hears that ? Always took me out of the movie.
Openings:
1>5>2>3>4
@Michael 92 I think the scream 2 original is arguably better. Roger L Jackson and Tara performance were great in the 5 opening. It felt like his best voice work since the first movie.
@Michael 92 She survived because they purposely left her alive.
This guy could be Randy’s brother