why fictional killer merch isn't as bad as real killer merch
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2024
- the comments on my serial killer tattoo video brought up a great conversation that we should have on why I don't think fictional killer merch/tattoos are as bad as real killer merch/tattoos etc. (although I think it's obvious.)
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Saying that you shouldn’t wear a shirt about leatherface because it was (loosely) inspired by ed gein is like saying you can’t use anything about Star Wars because of it’s similarities with the nazi Germany, it’s just ridiculous!!!!!!
How is Star Trek similar to Nazi Germany?
@@ActuallyDoubleGuitars star wars not Star Trek
@@unusunus4613 Ha, I read that wrong my bad.
Same with the Dalek’s in doctor who. Also loosely inspired by the nazi’s
Same with pretty much any Slytherin Harry Potter merch.
Slytherins were the “pure blood” house and also inspired by nazis.
Also not to mention that fictional characters and fictional media are forms of art, so wearing merchandise of fictional killers is just you expressing appreciation for the art. Not a glorification of murder or real life killers.
I had the exact same thought. I buy movie merch to express my love for the art form, not to glorify problematic characters.
Yes!!!👏❤
Thank you!!!
@@MustaineIsGod I appreciate them as characters not as people no. I
How dare you wear that Chucky pin when he has taken the innocent lives of so many 😏
IM SCREAMINGGGG 😂😂😂😂😂
was honestly expecting this video to be 4 seconds long and you’d just say “fictional killers don’t kill real people :)”
Do a damn podcast girl I wanna listen to your opinions while I do my makeup in the morning
RIGHT?!
Hazel Beddows good idea wow
"Based on true events" is even in movies such as supernatural style movies. Don't ever believe that line lol.
might just mean "there was a guy named pete" lol but that line used to get me!
There is some movies where that line is true but it’s rare
As Steve "Uncle Creepy" Barton from DeadCentral.com one said on their podcast Dinner For Fiends about true story or based on a true story Hollywood "10% truth 90% Hollywood horse shit".
I've noticed common sense seems to be lacking in people nowadays lol love your channel girl!
Not so common...
Commom sense is the less commom of senses in humanity
I don't think it's an issue so much of common sense as difference in opinion. It's like she said in the video, some people think wearing tshirts or whatever that depict killers on them is in a way glorifying murder (even though that's obviously not the wearers intention) and that's a completely valid opinion to hold. It's not one that I, or you by the sound of it, agree with, but still it's a valid opinion to hold. It may not be offensive because there are no previous victims, but whether or not TV programmes, films, games, etc depicting murder and murder methods inspires real killers is disputed - it's definitely not cut and dry, so I think people thinking those tshirts are wrong to wear is a completely legitimate thought to have and we shouldn't just dismiss them :)
@@katie6384 damn, that's a good comment.
@@cyborgsaiko Aww thank you 😀 and damn that's a good profile pic 😜
you have a tattoo of jefree dahmer.
i have a tattoo of jason voorhees.
we are not the same.
crabby bitch wow how disrespectful to jason voorhees many victims 😔
Factsss👀👀👀
I’ve got Michael Myers on my leg
I’m less than 4 seconds in and I’m already thinking are these people daft?
No but most people think Texas chainsaw massacre was based on a real story.
no offense to Sarah but I feel like it’s kinda obvious why it’s not offensive and she shouldn’t have had to make this video
I was surprised with how many people asked the question are fictional killers as bad as real killers!
For some people you've just gotta pretty much hold their hand and walk them through stuff, no matter how obvious it may be.
There were just too many comments for her to not address it. If her making this video can help just one person realize that getting a tattoo of a real serial killer is classless, then I think it warranted
short answer: no real life victims so there’s no disrespect for anyone
Common sense, on the internet? Impossible. Especially in youtube comments.
By the way great video and topic, and you look stunning!
Are people this du- you know what ima stop.🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
My disappointment is disappointed
Hannah Shark that’s exactly how I feel right now lmao
What about AHS's portrayals of serial killers/victims? I personally dont find it offensive as the show as a whole is so fake but, they definitely exploit the black dahlia case. It's not something I would have ever thought about before this video but, its definitely something I'm going to be thinking about🤔
I thought about that too!
This is an interesting point. I've never seen AHS, but one of my favorite musicals is Assassins. I think sometimes how distant it is in history and how far the fictional story removes the people/events from reality. I think it's a complicated thing; and interesting to think about.
After watching this I can’t help but think about that now. I mean the first season has Tate shooting up a school which is very obviously inspired by the Columbine shooting.
Tbf I thought that too, in the most recent season they made Richard Ramirez a hippy sexy young serial killer that everyone wanted to bang :/ ugh I just didn’t like it, and funny enough my all time favourite seasons is either apocalypse or coven cos with the witches they aren’t out to kill or harm they are like the hero’s of the ahs universe, and with apocalypse I felt the real battle of good and evil the good being the witches and the evil being Michael the Antichrist I thought that theme was really mature but all in all I love AHS but this new season was a bit ugh
The Black Dahlia case was 100% exploited for the show in my opinion as it didn’t have to be referenced for the plot. It was just another side story for the sake of shock value.
i’m early!
i definitely thought this was common sense though, i’m a little confused as to why people would think fictional serial killers are just as bad as real serial killers.
I 100% agree with everything you said here! Also on a random and.unrelated note your eyes look so pretty in this video!
Girl you’re being nice for speaking in such a calm tone ,I’d have been pissed in the first place.
i love your toned down makeup look. and your lip color is pretty :)
0:13 you can’t wear a doctor who shirt with Daleks on it because they were inspired by the nazis
I think another big difference is that the (purely) fiction was created to be art. The murders were performed to inflict pain. However, when it gets into the "based on a true story"/fictionalised versions it's kinda case-by-case, and that can pose some important questions and spark conversations that we should be having.
I can't believe this even needs to be explained to anyone... let alone that many people. But you handled it very well.
I completely agree! Liking horror movies is about loving a fictional plot that gives a thrill. There is no real murder, violence or victims. Liking a fictional killer is about enjoying a thrill from a well written character, not at all about condoning and promoting real violence.
Can't believe this even needs explaining...
All I can say is: Omg, people... 🙄🤦🏻♀️
I love horror too, but I wouldnt even hurt a fly if I can help it. I'm not a fan of real life murders or violence AT ALL. I do think true crime research is interesting, to try to understand why and how and how to recognize red flags. But bottomline: Fictional vs real life = different, DUH. And I can really like a movie, but I wont ever glorify a fictional murderer either. 🤷🏻♀️
Interesting topic, Sarah! I completely agree with you but for some reason during the whole video I thought about Elephant (2003) which was about school shooting and possibly loosely inspired by Columbine shooting. I mean, it's fictional in the same way that Texas Chainsaw Massacre is fictional but somehow I don't think twice about anybody wearing Texas Chainsaw Massacre t-shirt but I wouldn't sit beside a kid who wears Elephant merch on a bus. Possibly because Texas Chainsaw Massacre was meant to be an entertainment but Elephant was always meant to be terrifyingly real. It just shows that grey area exist because art is sometimes grey, but yeah in general I agree with you.
that titanic in your face HAD ME WHEEZING. always love your opinion videos, far behind on my watch later-list though >.
Me: *Has known of and done research on Ed Gein for my entire life*
Sarah: *pronounces it Ed GINE*
Me: 🤯 🌀
i would pronounce it like this as well
or "gain" maybe
Aiza Breathe ive always said “GEEN”
@@bridgettebeard7917 it is pronounced geen.
@@sonnyweaver8536 i'm pretty sure 'gine' is right actually
@@sonnyweaver8536 its actually pronounced Gine! It's a German last name and in German, when an I comes after an E, you pronounce the I but not the E.
Yessss girl!!! I 100% agree with you! Real killers and fictional killers are completely different. Your chainsaw shirt is dope, and you should wear it whenever you want! Oh and you're hair is getting so long and it looks gorgeous!!!!! Sending love from indiana!!!😘😘😘
This is so random but you would be such a good like high school teacher or college professor you are genuinely interesting to hear from
I can't believe you have to explain the difference. So a fictional character from a movie = an actual, real serial killer...huh? Omg
As the great Stephen king once quoted, ”We make up horrors to help us cope with the real ones”, I have a shelf full of Michael Myers masks, Freddy Krueger gloves and so forth these iconic slashers....they didn’t actually go killing people, the scary movies that we all know and love were created by young film makers who were having the time of their life shooting these films they win awards they inspire people and everyone was having a good time no one is harmed and everything is great and everyone wins ❤️🎃 and that’s the difference between fake horrors and the real horrors, in the real horrors everything is real everyone is scared everyone is depressed and everyone loses.
Hell yeah, the miniseries, Chernobyl was so good
I wanted you to touch this subject! I'm a fan of horror and its merch, that includes the not-so-nice characters in them, and some ppl don't get the difference...
I'm watching cause I love you but wow this was an unnecessary explanation
as for wearing merch of fictional killers based on real killers, i guess my gauge would be to consider facing the victims of the real killer, and if they would be upset by the association. i guess that's hard to know, but i would probably err on the side of caution. it'd be really interesting to hear their opinions on the topic, as they are probably the most important people to consider. i guess it's quite a grey area, and you could make assumptions based on how far removed the fiction is from the real thing 🤷♀️
Victims voiced not liking chernobyl diaries and she still doesn't give a shit she just wants to judge others shit.
I’ve legit never met anyone who understood liking horror and it not immediately being a taboo demonic thing. You hit the nail on the proverbial head saying that there has to be a balance between understanding fiction is fiction and reality is just that - real life. And there are victims. And those victims have families. There have been exploitive movies, series and books that I’ve stayed away from out of respect for the victims and their families. There is a line and it’s just something you have to approach carefully and gauge with your moral compass. You did such an amazing job of voicing this. Really. Couldn’t agree with you more. And I don’t think it was in bad taste to wear a movie tee when talking about serial killers. Sadly we live in an age where it takes so very little to be offended vs taking the discussion in with an open mind.
i totally agree with you. you handled these criticisms with such dignity and intelligence, it really reminds me why i love your channel in the first place!!!!
0:21 "Ted Gein" omfg xD
I think people just want what’s offensive to be black and white, but it’s not. There are different things you have to take into account and I think you did a really good job of defining those.
As someone who cosplays fictional killers, I can't agree with you anymore!! Well said 👏
The passive-aggressiveness of zooming in on Titanic is fucking brilliant and I love it.
You don't gotta worry about it if you get *anime* villain tattoos.
I can't figure out why this even needed to be explained! It seems pretty logical, I feel like our brains kind of have us react differently when we know its real. I mean a few months ago I binge watched Dexter and felt sympathy and such for the character without feeling guilt, but then when I watched the Netflix Ted Bundy movie every time any sympathy popped up I felt super icky like nonono don't do that.
I think the easiest way to make the distinction is picture wearing the shirt in front of victims families or anyone effected. Scream is very loosely based on the Gainesville Ripper. I lived in Gainesville a good chunk of my life, and I don’t think anyone in the entire town would give a shit about a ghost face tattoo or T-shirt. I haven’t talked to the families themselves, but if I ever had I wouldn’t second guess wearing a Scream shirt in front of them. But I sure as shit wouldn’t have a Danny Rolling shirt on. It’s about being respectful to those effected and not glorifying the horror a real person did. I feel like it’s pretty damn simple.
The grey area, ish, would be say can you wear an Extremely Wicked shirt, or get a tattoo of Zac Efron as Ted Bundy? Personally I don’t think that is a grey area. It’s not that the movie was bad or disrespectful, but...Before I lived in Gainesville, I lived in Lake City. I have a friend who’s cousin was named Kimberly Diane (last name not mentioned for her privacy) because her mother was friends with the victim before she died. I can’t imagine wearing a T-shirt portraying Zac Efron as Ted Bundy in front of her and having to explain why I felt justified. It’s too close.
But I can see the argument for that being a grey area because it’s still fiction, and it’s glorifying a good movie not the killer himself! But to me it’s too close.
Jason voorhees is based off the killer of a camp in Finland. Where a knife wielding maniac killed 3 out of 4 teenagers that were staying at the camp. The 4th escaped with a broken jaw and a concussion.
Fictional killers - killed *frictional* characters aka no one
Real killers- killed *real* people
The end
This is just kinda self explanatory lol..
The Chernobyl series is absolutely over-dramatisised, if you read the interviews with people who were there and lived through it who compare the mini-series to the actual events, it's clear that they altered a lot to make it better suited for tv- which is fine and cool, it's not a documentary. But people are viewing it as if it were a documentary, and it can be dangerous if people start opposing nuclear power even more than before, when it's one of the best solutions for non-fossil fuel energy if we want a chance at reversing or at least slowing down the damage we've done to the atmosphere.
Thank you for clearing that up! I knew there were a difference but i wouldn't be able to define it like you did in this video. I am happy you made it!
After reading the title I was so confused. Seemed very much like common sense. With fake ones you’re endorsing the movie and with real ones you’re endorsing violent crimes.... jeez. Love you haha sorry you had to deal with this
The screenshot of the “Ted Gein” comment made me lol
the difference is one is a movie where nobody got hurt, the other is real life. if you can’t separate the two you’re the problem
All those people aren't in touch with reality
Thats a really important message. I tend to fight with a friend of mine about Kylo Ren. I know this sounds weird, but her argument why he is awful and should not get a redemption arc, is because he killed so many people. I always try to tell her that movie writing and real life works different. If you kill characters no one has a personal bound to, no one cares in movies and writing, thats completely different in real life. People need to get the difference between art and real life
Same with me! I've also got shamed for loving him. People don't realize the symbolism such movies and characters have
I'm kind of irritated that you even had to make this video, but as always, appreciated your calm and even-handed response to it. Common sense clearly seems to be rather uncommon.
I’m such an idiot. I legit thought to myself, who would get a fictional killer tattoo? Forgetting the fact that I got a little ghost face on my ankle. 😂
I am pretty astounded that you had to break this down for people, for goodness sake! 🤷🏻♀️
You give an awesome and thorough analysis. I also find it puzzling that some of these things actually need a complete explication like you provided. I like to concentrate on the intent thing most, though, I mean like a teenage kid who says something gauche like "My favorite serial killer is...." probably doesn't mean anything cruel or malicious. On a different note entirely, for example, those movies that depict trans characters get things way wrong or make us flat out monsters, and that is disconcerting, but I don't think the directors/producers/writers of Sleepaway Camp, Silence of the Lambs, etc. were malicious, but the depictions are still telling about societal transphobia/othering of trans people.....But again, because the INTENT wasn't cruel, I can still watch and enjoy these movies.....Of course with the real killers the real victims variable gives it almost no wiggle room at all.....
I wear pennywise shirts and I have an harleyquinn tat I enjoy them as characters but they are not the same as real killers.
Also when some say gets a tattoo of a horror movie villain it’s cause they like the movie which is fine when people get a tattoo of say Jeffery Damar it makes it seem like they like him and his crimes
the thing is that a story can be read in many ways, whereas a real-life tragedy cannot be interpreted in a wide number of ways. I get having a serial killer t-shirt, for example, if it is used to critique society or people who glorify them but I think that there would be likely many more people who would wear it to glorify the killer and/or the act, so that is why real-life killers are off-limits and fictional ones are more ok. I understand that for some people making the distinction can be hard, but they could put an effort into reasoning and thinking about it.
Completely agree, I wear horror movie merch all the time. I have a very large tattoo of Patrick Bateman on my leg and I’ve even been told it’s I’m bad taste. It’s not real, there’s no victims so nobody to offend 🤷🏻♀️
Just to point out, I also agree with the original video, very bad taste to wear/have tattoos of or inspired by real events
I heard the Ed Gien(?) story and saw Texas Chainsaw Massacre and I knew it was loosely based off of it but if I hadn’t been told that I never would’ve put 2 and 2 together. So, what are you guys talking about?
1:39 untrue, my heart is the victim bc bubba isn't holding me
I love the editing in the beginning lol
I just wanna say thank you for helping me understand some stuff(I can't really comprehend stuff easily)
Id also like to mention that someone can like a movie without having any emotional connection to the serial killer in the movie.
I feel like everytime you put up a video, you then have to make another one just to educate people 😂
Damn those chicken nuggets really don't know how to think these days.
Mandy VdV Late late reply but like 90% of the people commenting "bUt yOu LiKe bAd fiCtiOnAL pEoPlE" are just mad that she called them out by saying that glorifying real monsters is wrong. Which is just. Common sense.
I listen to death and black metal about murders, suicide, etc. i aint doing either. it's art. (that said, i won't listen to NSBM. look it up lol)
I recently saw memes of serial killers.. Like "The Night Stocker" instead of "The Night Stalker". What are your thoughts on this?
I think a fictional killer is so much more than that, in reality, a real life killer is a monster, but a fictional one is the creation of someone else. I'm not a fan of horror myself, but there's a lot of credit in creating a realistic character, even if it's barely based on a real person. Idk, to me it's much more than that, it's the story, the characters, the film itself, it's the work a lot of people put into it (actors, directors, etc). But that's just me.
I agree. I feel that it is important that shows and movies 1) respect the victims 2) accurately and sensitively portray mental health conditions
Lots of Disney fans have Snow White and Florian tattooed on them and no one is calling them out for having a tattoo of a pedophile, or Belle and Beast for bestiality, or GoT characters who murder every other person, or James Marsters (Spike from Buffy) and questioning why they have a tattoo of a sexual assaulter. Fiction is NOT the same thing. NOT. THE. SAME.
Seriously?? People were trying to compare REAL serial killers to movie characters? I give up.
Why doesn't anyone in my life have a voice like yours 🙄😒
I know, I could listen to Sarah read a shopping list! I love the depth of her thoughts and original content but I would also be so excited if she did some ASMR or something like that :)
Who even cares about other people getting offended? It’s not that deep
Goshhh I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS literally I've watching all of them (again) for the last few days. You deserved more subscribers! Love ur channel n you. I know this video has been demonized so I'm going to watch all advertisements ❤️
personally i think it depends on the character, its depiction, and, if it's based on real life, how closely it resembles its base. mercy black is in poor taste because they used & heavily sensationalized a real attempted murder for horror factor. texas chainsaw massacre is okay because leatherface only loosely resembles ed gein & the story is completely fictional.
Like it’s not the same if someone has like a shirt of a loosely based killer for
Example: if someone has a penny wise shirt no one should be offended because he only killed fictional people
But if someone has a John Wayne Gacy shirt it is more offensive to the victims because he killed ACTUAL people
Speaking strictly from a movie making perspective, when you buy a shirt with the face of a fictional killer on it, you are not supporting that character’s actions, you are supporting the art and the effort made by countless individuals that worked on that movie. People put in hours of work to piece together these horror films. If I get a shirt with Michael Myers on it, it’s because he is the face of an art piece. You’re also supporting the effort made by the actor that played the killer. For example, I love the movie Terrifier. Art The Clown was a very violent killer, and it was pretty gross what he did. But I love the way the actor portrayed him. I felt like the actor did a great job with the character. So I very much agree that it’s not the same thing as serial killer tattoos. Ok, I’ll get off my soapbox lol
so what do people think about the town that dreaded sundown? (it’s based on the Texarkana murders)
I grew up playing the early MS DOS doom games, and I'm a nonviolent person who likes documentaries and historical/informational things like this video. I don't really play games anymore but that might change once I upgrade my computer and get into it in the winter so I don't feel the inability to camp so much.
May I ask about your opinion on American Horror Story’s depiction of real life characters?
I personally love the movie Zodiac because everything that happens is shockingly accurate to the actual events, and there was little to no dramatization. That’s how it should be done
I agree with your message and don't think wearing fictional killer merch is problematic. However, I do see the other side of the argument. If your validation of wearing a Leatherface shirt is that there are no real victims or families of victims, I think it's worth thinking about the families of victims they were based off of.
For example, if my family member was murdered by a real person who inspired a movie character, and I saw someone casually wearing the character's face on clothing, I would find it very upsetting. Especially if the character is widely known to be inspired by a real killer, such as in this case. Again, no hate, I just think it's worth thinking about this from a victim (or their family's) point of view if that's what you use for justification.
Am I the only one that loves horror movies for their main/final character? I like seen some outsmart a super natural killer
oh phew so i can keep my darth vader and kylo ren shirts :P
I have watched Sarah for literally years and years and years. In high school she was the only person in my entire life I ever related to. I love horror, I wore jeans and band tees and a hoodie every single day and she was just like me and it was so comforting. Sarah I LOVE you but you are saying Gein wrong this entire video and it’s just driving me crazy haha
thank you so much! but I’ve pronounced it both ways over the years and have been corrected each time so what is the truth lol
As a subsequent victim of a murder, it does not entertain me to see fictional characters be murdered. I personally still find it offensive to romanticize or idolize fictional murderers/ serial killers, even if there are no ‘real’ victims. If you find it entertaining at all, what does it matter if it really happened or not? I think we need to stop finding enjoyment in things that are hurtful to so many.
i agree with you. i always wonder if its offensive i wear those types of movie merch, even band merch. so thank u for this lol :)
I have a Friday the 13 th shirt and I love horror movies and killers like Jason and Michael and no I'm not supporting any murderers here XD most of the time movies like this are grotesque like almost funny they die in non realistic ways 😂
I don’t even watch horror movies. I just love your voice and your personality and your insights so I’m watching anyways 🤣
People need to chill JFC. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Sarah Keep wearing what you want, people are going to disagree no matter what. Leave Sarah alone!
Me planning on getting a Michael Myers tattoo soon: oh wow, I hope no ones offended 🤦🏻♀️😂
I HAVE ONE
Even if you limit violent entertainment to stop influencing there’d still be other mediums like the news. There’s still going to be mislead, violent, and/or scary people in the world that don’t need influence to commit such crimes
I'm russian and it was kinda funny how people thought that Chernobyl is realistic, but now it just makes me sad. Do you really think that people WHO LIVED AROUND the fucking station didn’t get what was going on? Of course, the miners were naked and immediately agreed to this because they are so cool that they don’t care about their lives and families at all
The coal minister was over 60 during the events, and he was a miner himself for a long time, no robots on the roof, there are no chances to the second explosion that will be as bad as first was and my favorite no one drank alcohol that time due to the dry law.... do i even need to continue? The writers apparently wanted to add drama, as if it was not enough already
Not related but I didn't realise your hair grew so much!
1:46 I’m so confused as to how people can be that ignorant to believe that real life series killers and fictional serial killers are even close to the same. Like what?
Is there material enough for you to make a video about serial killers or school shooters that were based on movies or books to do their massacres? For example Stephen King's book
At the end of the day it comes down to the victims. No real victims, no bad taste.