I think the Fallout series works as an adaptation (where other game adaptations failed) because it doesn't try to retell or adapt an existing story but instead tells it's own story but in the same world.
all game adaptations that failed did the same "it doesn't try to retell or adapt an existing story but instead tells it's own story but in the same world"
@@nonnoze0478 i know right lol the only reason it works in fallout is the world lore is consistent but each iteration of fallout is a new story with new lore, its predisposed, by design to allow artistic liberty. Other IPs are usually specific to one story or follow one character specifically. Halo isnt Halo without master chief, and master chief better act like master chief or its not Halo. My interest in anyone else in the Halo verse outside of master chief is peripheral at best. If its centered or even split between other characters its not going to be as interesting. Master Chief may be a part of the world of Halo but Halo is also centered around Master Chief, there isnt much room to share the lime light. Each game is about the character but overall fallout is really about the world of fallout.
Nah that's not it. You see countless times how adaptation from books or games has always been criticised to not being faithful. Most of the time they will try to tell their own story, but within thr same universe but if it sucks it just is, and people would say because they try to be different and not stay faithful.
@@nonnoze0478exactly. Not just games, books too. The no1 complain when it doesnt work it is that it shouldve been more faithful to the source. I think even for last of us, when it went well, many people say they are pretty faithful to the source that's why it's good. I dotn ay the game so I wouldn't know to what extend but these being faithful or never really the issue.
6:33 The people Muldaver had with her in the first episode were not simply Shady Sands / NCR survivors, they were legit raiders. It's possible that some of them had lived in Shady Sands before Hank bombed it and then became raiders later but they were actually raiders, not simply NCR remnants. The actual NCR remnants were with her at the observatory in the final episode and weren't anarchist raiders like the group she took into the vaults in the first episode.
True. What got me thinking is how does she convince Raiders to work with her? Unless she just told them that they’re going to Rob vault together so they’re not hostile towards her.
I think what Oxhorn said in a video is the best answer that the people caught and kept as prisoners in vault 33 were raiders hired by Moldaver, while the 2 people we see escort her in the slow Mo scene are NCR troops as they look much more professional. Before leaving vault 33 Moldaver blew the path between 33 and 32 essentially trapping the raiders inside while escaping with few of the "professional" looking people, there's not much sense in intentionally leaving behind NCR troops considering the state the NCR is in.
Yeah I didn’t understand how he didn’t realize who she actually was. Like towards the end of the season it seems like they knew each other before the start of show. I maybe misunderstood but this plot wasn’t my favorite part of the show.
To be fair, they always held elections for overseers so despite some kind of mental conditioning and propaganda, it’s not impossible that a non Bud’s Bud would be elected overseer, especially if the previous overseer died unexpectedly and happened to be the only Bud’s Bud in the vault at the time.
I don’t think the people from Moldavers crew that were left behind were actually remnants. I think they were actually raiders. You can clearly see the people closest to her act like displined soldiers while others in her group were really just there as a distraction to cause mayhem.
this should be linked to the fact by that time some raiders groups may be integrated in the ncr in order to prevent caesar's legions and to assure the ncr foothold in the mojave
I'm very excited to see more of Moldaver next season. Presuming she's dead in the "present" of fallout-show, I do still think she'll play a major role in flashbacks both to pre-war (we have to see how she got in a vault - probably -, what happened to cooper's family - im thinking he found his wife and gave her his daughter to go in a vault, that's how he knows they're in one) and also flashbacks to shady sands, her and rose's (I definitely interpreted as romantic) relationship, the building and destruction of shady sands, the time between that and getting into vault 33. so much to explore with this character.
Might be a wildshot but I'm wondering could she have been cloned? Because we can see Hank was pre-war but has also aged significantly since we saw him pre-war. Plus given Moldaver's history she has been around for a while clearly, yet (maybe I just have poor perception) it seems like Moldaver hasnt aged much! I was just thinking as there is a canon case of clones within the series, albeit it didn't go well.
@@renipede835 Certainly a possibility! Could be a difference in how long they were in cryo, but also she seemingly spent most of her post-cryo time in the wasteland and Hank in a vault, so based on that he'd stay looking young longer. It would be interesting to see an expansion of the cloning thing since all we have of cloning in the fallout universe is an event and many identical men that all live in our nightmares. Or what about this - she's a version six synth. I do think just cryo, as the simplest answer is probably the right answer, as they're being very gentle with fallout lore in the show (which i think is a great idea). But also it could be a way to add in a new thing. See! So much to think about with her specifically, not to mention literally every other character!
one thing I don't think the show said straight up they dropped the bombs but that they were willing to if need be, this still might mean they did but till 100% confirmed there's still the possibility they didn't
Yeah personally I very much think vault tec didn't drop the first bomb, but it's fascinating to have canon confirmation that they absolutely were willing to, and pretty soon. Though it's possible they didn't, that's not the side I fall on
@@favouriteghost Vault tec were closely linked to the Enclave so perhaps they were going to influence the US gov to begin the great war. But either the US or China beat them to the punch. ether way both Vault tech and the Enclave knew the bombs would be soon as by the time the great war had started, the Vault tec staff were safely sealed away, the Enclave were in their bunkers and on the oil rig, and the president had gone missing, presumably on the oil rig or other bunker.
Maybe Vault Tec somehow convinced the Chinese that the United States was about to launch nuclear weapons in their nation and therefore tge Chinese decided to "prevent" this dropping the bombs on them first
@@bowez9 what are some the issue with the show, since I've played most the games and know most the lore and I've never noticed any except for how ghouls work
@@shajubee8374 location of Shady Sands, Vault 4, 13, 15. Character of the BoS. The lack of development in the NCR (which would be at least Shady Sands, to LA to Las Vegas at a minimum). Also the fall of Shady Sands doesn't work. Perfect example is the fall of Rome is given as 476 AD when it was sacked not 64 AD when it burned under Nero,
I thought it was a wonderful show but I don't even remember them talking about oil. And the meeting where they agree to drop nukes was odd. It was a comical parody of capitalism. In the games it was just inevitable that they would start fight when other nations ran out of oil. They cud have mentioned lore like the Europe vs middle east conflict. I would love to hear house mention his brother or family situation in response to Lucy. Just as a fan-servicey thing. If he's alive he's gotta bring it up. Family is one of the biggest themes in the show, I'd love to see it.
This is a perfect video that completely outlines all the actual ties from the show into deeper lore, as well as what certain scenes mean, not to point out the obvious... Either way, great work! I'm sending this to everyone that I made watch the show so they understand since it's only 9 minutes long as well. :)
this show took me back to new vegas, 50 more hours on and off since the series released on a new save file. I love that game, so much content to rediscover, thanks to the show
Timeline is little bit inaccurate: Great Plague of 2277 was likely a cover up for Rose (and maybe some other) going out. Same year, Norm, Lucy were back (according to Lucy's short memory of the Sun that she "realized" was Vault light only after her mom was gone just about when Lucy was 6yo), but Shady Sands got nuked 5yrs after all that.
Thank you! I’m new to Fallout and it’s hard to get all the ins-and-outs of the show. This was very simply put and now I get some stuff that didn’t connect the first time.
There's a bit that really doesn't make any sense. Overnight the single old lady was able to clean up the entire destroyed vault implying that she got assistance from the people in the third vault. When they open the third vault, everyone was in cryo sleep. Are we to assume that everyone thawed out of cryo to clean up the vault overnight only to re enter cryo sleep after doing so?
@@casschoemakerr possible, yeah. Just very unlikely and impractical while not making sense with how big nose later gained access to and found the state of the third vault.
I hated Moldaver so much Good buildup but bad first impression with “eVeRyOnE kNoWs WhO i Am” If they introduced her better i prob would be all for her Just one of the small criticisms of the fallout show, it’s still pretty good tho
I don't understand one thing. If Maclean knew that Vault 32 was now dead, and this is why he close "connections", how he did manage the wedding? and when he seen this people came from 32(raiders) why he wasn't surprised?
The only thing he knew was that the previous overseer was dead. He didn’t know how or what happened to the rest of vault 32. Which is why he is not surprised when moldaver claims to be the new overseer
Vault tech did indeed come in possession of some nukes. As he said in the video it's very likely vault tech launched their bombs in America. Also in fallout 3 there is a settlement built around an undetonated nuke which has vault tech sign on it .
how does lucy not remember leaving the vault as a kid. i remember disney world at 4.5 years old. leaving the vault would have been the most extreme experience of her life
Thats interesting. I took the deaths of vault 32 as some kinda of toxin that vault 31 released to make them all go mad and kill eachother. But this makes more sense lol. Still confused how the vault 32 overseer died as it seems like he died smiling. Almost like he was laughing maniacally like an insane man or something
There were NCR i.e. what ever Moldaver soldiers has. And some raiders (not fully insane ones cause they waited for the signal to strike), later, Moldaver abandoned them, and left with her soldiers only.
But if Bud didn't inform vault 33 that the whole of 32 was a graveyard, doesn't that pose the question why? Or why did Hank or Betty not recognise Muldaver after she was publicly disgraced in the pre war? Or why the supposed good guy NCR hired a bunch of raiders to slaughter a bunch of innocent vault dwellers to get to one evil prick? I had such high hopes for this show, and it was really fun to watch, but if you think about it for more than a few seconds it all falls apart
Out of curiosity, why would Hank or Betty recognize Muldaver? At best, they heard about her through fellow contacts pre-war. She wasn't like a big deal pre-war, except to those who went to her "communist" meetings (Which were really just anti-Vault Tec meetings). When Hank gets taken by Muldaver in the beginning he says "I THINK I know who you are." As in, he's not certain. There's really nothing to suggest that she was publically disgraced pre-war. Simply that her company was bought out by Vault-Tec and they shelved her research, which pissed her off as her research would essentially be a peaceful solution to the Great War. As for why the supposed good guy NCR hired a bunch of raiders to slaughter a bunch of vault dwellers... Revenge. Plain and simple. Humans aren't exactly simple creatures. Even a person working for "the good of the people" can take a chance for some relatively petty revenge when given the chance. Hank destroyed her city with all the people inside it. So she destroyed his vault. Pretty cut and dry. As for Bud not informing people, we don't know why. The show isn't concluded. It could be something they reveal in a future season. Or it isn't plot relevant to the current story, which is why it didn't come up. Maybe they had an entire reason written out, but it ended up on the cutting room floor because it didn't add anything. Frankly, it's a very minor detail.
although I am a fan of the fallout games, this is a really well done adaptation that is even better than the games. It is simply a really good script and the sets are well done, the characters are interesting and diverse. Although the lead character is the Vaulty Lucy.. it is easy to get into the Ghoul that has a deep past due to his being alive for over 200 years. And the actor Walton Goggans did an amazing job with it.(stole the show in my opinion)
I’ve been looking up lore and such and even though it happens in 2077 for the life of me I can’t figure out why everything seems to be stuck in the 1950’s tech design. Unless somehow the Cold War stopped progression and design and that’s where our timeline diverge or if it boils down to the devs just like the aesthetic more than modern designs 😅
Wow, I didn’t know that was Bud. Thank you, I don’t know how you got so much insight from watching the show. Did you get this yourself or read it from an official source?
Their plan is so stupid. I like everything about the show except that the central premise is so dumb. Why would Vault Tec do all that just to control society? Why would it take so many risks and introduce so many variables for such a small outcome? In the games, Vault Tec never thought their vaults would ever actually be used, so they sold out the vaults to the highest bidder as experiments never dreaming that they'd ever come to fruition. The idea that they decided to nuke the entire world is so stupid and first year college worthy is ridiculous.
Todd Howard: “It just works!” Yeah, I agree that Vault Tec actually wanting to rule the world is a dumb idea that only Todd would improve of. But hey, need to wipe the franchise clean from Interplay’s influence, right? Just like what they did to Shady Sands.
@@jeremiahwallace2275 In the show, they specifically had a scene where Vault-tec pitched the vaults to the other major corporations for their own experiments. Vault-tec's longterm plans still don't make sense to me, but we can see if they can make it make sense..... also, enough with the "Bethesda hates Obsidian/Interplay and is mad they made a fallout game". The background and flavor of FNV is the major setting for the whole series.
It’s supposed to represent the short-sighted profit-driven motives of our major corporations in America. Long-term, it doesn’t make sense at all to blow up the whole damn country. But short-term, they’ll sell a lot of vaults and make a lot of money. They are so blinded by greed and power that, yes, their motives seem nothing but sinister. But look around you. Are we not surrounded by corporations who would do anything, even kill, if it meant providing “shareholder value.” Off the top of my head, the pharmaceutical and military-industrial complex in this nation are built on the graves of many. It’s a bit hyperbolic, but its Fallout - Vault-Tec is a satire of how American corporations run themselves.
correction *using the inhabitants of the vaults to do so. including all vault tech AND Enclave personnel who dwelled within. pretty sure president was on the moon or some shit. possibly even explains why aliens came here. in the lore~
I'm interested to know how much work has been done to suppress cold fusion progression (IRL). 🤔 Unlimited energy doesn't fit into the US' true capitalist society
So, this all drives me nuts. 3 questions are not answered. 1) how does a vault have a nuke/how did they nuke Shady Sands? It’s just hand-waved away, but I actually want to know, how does a vault overseer happen to have what I presume is a remote detonation nuclear bomb or a nuclear missile in his back pocket? 2) How does Vault 32 get cleaned up so quick. HOW. A small army of Protectrons and/or Mr Handy’s? Like, if that’s what’s revealed to be the case, cool, that would be wild. But seriously, it’s portrayed as within a few days the vault’s completely cleaned up and restocked on supplies. 3) How does Hank not recognize Moldaver the minute she shows up in the vault. HOW. She’s the primary driving force behind his wife wanting to stay on the surface. How would he not recognize her. I for one HATE Moldaver as a character as they had all the building blocks there to make her a SUPERB villain and then it feels like the last episode they bait and switched us so she is this super altruistic good guy, which flies in the face of the entire point of Fallout and the show’s messaging which it gets fairly right. Altruism fails where enlightened self interest succeeds. You CAN do good things, you can be merciful, you don’t have to profit from every interaction, but the only when you know you are safe first and foremost. You don’t get a thing besides a bullet in the skull for being the good guy, and Moldaver flies in the face of that. In fact, no, here, I’ll fix Moldaver without changing a single story beat. Easy. Prewar: Moldaver was on the verge of her energy breakthrough, but needed more funding, so she sold her tech to Vault-tec in exchange for the funds to finish the job. Vault-tec on the eve of the breakthrough proceeds to give her a golden parachute to shut her up and boots her from the company, hoarding her research. She realizes she could have become the absurdly wealthy and sues unsuccessfully to reclaim her research, and then proceeds to use the golden parachute to turn her own group of followers into a quasi anti-corporate cult, targeting specifically individuals married to those of power and influence, tearing families apart in order to try and gather enough blackmail material to force Vault Tec to give back her research. The Ghoul’s family was just one of many she destroyed in her pursuit. The enclave gets ahold of the energy research in the process of setting up for the apocalypse, and tucks the data away in its rocky mountain research station where it languishes for years until one of their scientists manages to recreate the breakthrough including the, uh, reactive plasma? The blue crap. Moldaver is alive because some of the data her turncoats stole included the cryo freezing designs as well as the location of a vault which had been abandoned due to budget cuts. Her cult sets her up as a kind of frozen prophet to reawaken one day and lead the world back to prosperity without sinful corporations. She is reawakened by descendants of her cult once the NCR has reached a populous enough point for her to be able to ply her skills at manipulation and infiltration as a cult leader, and one of her top targets is the wife of a vault overseer who came to the surface. She uses her same prewar skillset to convert the wife to her side, using her as bait to get the overseer out of the vault so she can capture him; she managed to scavenge examples of her tech out of Vault City itself, promising the authorities she could make it work and provide the region energy, but she needed a voiceprint ID of an original Vault Tec employee of sufficient rank to make the machine activate. She new thanks to her prewar spying vault tec’s plans for vault 31, 32, and 33. The NCR is left bloodied but not unbroken after Hank used his own vault’s tech that was causing the artificial famines to hit the NCR’s crops causing a regional famine that collapsed the local government, which in turn is why the local region is devoid of settlements. By that time during the chaos Hank had retrieved his kids and shot his wife; Moldaver was away because she wasn’t close personal friends with his wife, she was just another converted cult member. Moldaver spends the next several years converting the surviving NCR residents in the region that hadn’t fled south or north into a small army of followers, and sees this at the perfect opportunity to fill the power vacuum; the brotherhood of steel was still too small, so if she could get energy flowing soon she could set herself up as the california wasteland’s undisputed ruler. Using her same creepy manipulative skills to convert an enclave spy the ncr captured into a double agent, she uses the double agent to reach out to an enclave scientist to convince him to defect to the NCR with the blue goo which is the other piece of the puzzle. Her raid on vault 33 to capture the overseer isn’t done by raiders but a select group of followers, and so she sets off the chain of events in the show, sitting idle because she has her fortress, she has the reactor ready, and she has her vault tec employee, she can just let the blue goo come to her and the other sides bleed themselves dry because its useless without the other two pieces she holds.
To answer your first question, hank is tied up with vault tec. Perhaps he messaged bud to launch nukes since the experiment was going wrong or maybe he did it himself since at the end of the show he is seen going to a some sort of city which could have some vault tec high rankings? For the second question, I got no idea. I wonder the same thing. Perhaps I missed something in the show? In their defense the renovation was done quickly as you can see imperfections but yea, cleaning a vault that quick is very questionable. As for your third question I think hank did not know who moldaver is since he never met her. He went to the surface took the children and nuked the city.
I have one problem with the story. How is it that Moldaver is conveniently not only living, but also in charge of the NCR group at this time? This plot hole bugs the crap out of me.
Theres a plot hole in your explanation. If mclean knew about vault 32 being dead why would he prepare a wedding and open the door. Whoever is on the other side is not the residents
All he knew was that the old overseer was dead and he presumed that the old one was replaced with a new one. That was the extent of his knowledge, he was not informed by Bud Askins about the revolt in Vault 32.
Neglected!! really!? Neglected?? Makes no sense what so ever.. A vault system that is a litteral conspiracy experiment shady business just negelects something laike that for 2 years till shit hits the fan.. And even then, Hank.. Bud, and everyone form 31 are oblivious😮 of the raid 😂😂😂 I loved this show but I need someone to make this make sense plz!!
We don't know what Rose and Moldaver were. All we got is quick shot of the two looking and smiling at each other (like that everyone everywhere can be lovers), while Moldaver's LACK of care for Lucy's and Norm's lives is also shown. So lovers definitely NOT confirmed. 🤷 @@JamalSnitchy
@@JamalSnitchy I mean, Lucy and Stephany are holding hands multiple times during ep 1.. As I said: quick shot + lack of content + lack of context = show where some people's head canons jump immediately. We will see, what what is, in season 2 (there will be more backstory about all that happened, pre nukes, Shady Sands, etc)..
Is there a scenario like this is not that far off.. total nuclear Annihilation is on the back burner right now as I speak.. unlike this series we the people will not be on the list.. only the rich ass people friends family and the people that work for them.. I have been hearing about the bunkers the entire cities Underground.. that they are stocked to the rafters and they are still trucking stuff in..they live and we die..
Why wouldn't it make sense? More people to experiment on. They do need to bulk up their numbers and having a larger host of breedable people who's genetics don't intersect with the others is good. Assuming she could actually get them assimilated to vault life. This is Vault-Tec, after all. No need to waste good test subjects.
yeah i'm not sure why she would want to integrate them while steph wants to kill them, if they are both from 31 maybe steph's desire for revenge is greater than her duty to vault tec? but idk that doesn't seem like something an otherwise heartless vault-tec executive would do, and it didn't really seem like she loved her husband anyways
imagine how woke the enclave will be when they are introduced. Or if they are even because in the show they called the WOkehood of Stool the enclave LOL.
Idk why the hell he went to the pods at the end all he had was threatened to mash the tank of fuck with shit and there goes there plan right there end of that storyline
Im sorry guys they will be in New Vegas I was under the impression that the fallout show was covering all the games that's why I thought they was going to do a hole season on the plot of new Vegas game
I think the Fallout series works as an adaptation (where other game adaptations failed) because it doesn't try to retell or adapt an existing story but instead tells it's own story but in the same world.
It also makes you go “oh I wonder what vault-tec was doing in in fallout 4, let go replay the games again!”
all game adaptations that failed did the same "it doesn't try to retell or adapt an existing story but instead tells it's own story but in the same world"
@@nonnoze0478 i know right lol the only reason it works in fallout is the world lore is consistent but each iteration of fallout is a new story with new lore, its predisposed, by design to allow artistic liberty.
Other IPs are usually specific to one story or follow one character specifically. Halo isnt Halo without master chief, and master chief better act like master chief or its not Halo. My interest in anyone else in the Halo verse outside of master chief is peripheral at best. If its centered or even split between other characters its not going to be as interesting. Master Chief may be a part of the world of Halo but Halo is also centered around Master Chief, there isnt much room to share the lime light.
Each game is about the character but overall fallout is really about the world of fallout.
Nah that's not it. You see countless times how adaptation from books or games has always been criticised to not being faithful. Most of the time they will try to tell their own story, but within thr same universe but if it sucks it just is, and people would say because they try to be different and not stay faithful.
@@nonnoze0478exactly. Not just games, books too. The no1 complain when it doesnt work it is that it shouldve been more faithful to the source. I think even for last of us, when it went well, many people say they are pretty faithful to the source that's why it's good. I dotn ay the game so I wouldn't know to what extend but these being faithful or never really the issue.
6:33 The people Muldaver had with her in the first episode were not simply Shady Sands / NCR survivors, they were legit raiders. It's possible that some of them had lived in Shady Sands before Hank bombed it and then became raiders later but they were actually raiders, not simply NCR remnants. The actual NCR remnants were with her at the observatory in the final episode and weren't anarchist raiders like the group she took into the vaults in the first episode.
exactly what i was thinking didnt make sense
True. What got me thinking is how does she convince Raiders to work with her? Unless she just told them that they’re going to Rob vault together so they’re not hostile towards her.
@@Kevine7001she also had caps and her name is also known
I think what Oxhorn said in a video is the best answer that the people caught and kept as prisoners in vault 33 were raiders hired by Moldaver, while the 2 people we see escort her in the slow Mo scene are NCR troops as they look much more professional. Before leaving vault 33 Moldaver blew the path between 33 and 32 essentially trapping the raiders inside while escaping with few of the "professional" looking people, there's not much sense in intentionally leaving behind NCR troops considering the state the NCR is in.
she specifically chose raiders to maximise the kill count. she wanted revenge - you massacre my city I massacre your vault.
Surprised Hank did not know who all the other buds were as to not be tricked in the first episode by a fake overseer.
Yeah I didn’t understand how he didn’t realize who she actually was. Like towards the end of the season it seems like they knew each other before the start of show. I maybe misunderstood but this plot wasn’t my favorite part of the show.
@@sanguis7897Nope, just shit writing.
He obviously knew. @@sanguis7897
To be fair, they always held elections for overseers so despite some kind of mental conditioning and propaganda, it’s not impossible that a non Bud’s Bud would be elected overseer, especially if the previous overseer died unexpectedly and happened to be the only Bud’s Bud in the vault at the time.
@@jones81381 yeah but how did he not realize she was the same woman from the NCR that harbored his wife and kids after they fled the vault?
I don’t think the people from Moldavers crew that were left behind were actually remnants. I think they were actually raiders. You can clearly see the people closest to her act like displined soldiers while others in her group were really just there as a distraction to cause mayhem.
this should be linked to the fact by that time some raiders groups may be integrated in the ncr in order to prevent caesar's legions and to assure the ncr foothold in the mojave
One of those guys took a huff of psycho they were definitely raiders 😂
I'm very excited to see more of Moldaver next season. Presuming she's dead in the "present" of fallout-show, I do still think she'll play a major role in flashbacks both to pre-war (we have to see how she got in a vault - probably -, what happened to cooper's family - im thinking he found his wife and gave her his daughter to go in a vault, that's how he knows they're in one) and also flashbacks to shady sands, her and rose's (I definitely interpreted as romantic) relationship, the building and destruction of shady sands, the time between that and getting into vault 33. so much to explore with this character.
Given that Moldaver held Rose's desiccatde for comfort as she died I'm with you. Those were married lesbians. :')
Might be a wildshot but I'm wondering could she have been cloned? Because we can see Hank was pre-war but has also aged significantly since we saw him pre-war. Plus given Moldaver's history she has been around for a while clearly, yet (maybe I just have poor perception) it seems like Moldaver hasnt aged much!
I was just thinking as there is a canon case of clones within the series, albeit it didn't go well.
@@renipede835 Certainly a possibility! Could be a difference in how long they were in cryo, but also she seemingly spent most of her post-cryo time in the wasteland and Hank in a vault, so based on that he'd stay looking young longer. It would be interesting to see an expansion of the cloning thing since all we have of cloning in the fallout universe is an event and many identical men that all live in our nightmares.
Or what about this - she's a version six synth.
I do think just cryo, as the simplest answer is probably the right answer, as they're being very gentle with fallout lore in the show (which i think is a great idea). But also it could be a way to add in a new thing. See! So much to think about with her specifically, not to mention literally every other character!
@@renipede835Gary! Gary!
Maybe she's in vault 31
This is a small detail but I'm not sure Moldaver and Rose were friends, tho. I think they were """roommates""".
My thoughts exactly.
This got me to play fallout 4 again
Same I used to play in 2016 but this got me into it again for some dang reason
With that being said there’s another settlement that needs your help, here let me ping it on your map.
@@t-loholmes3096 no Preston I sided with the bos
Try 76 you want regret it.. playing now
@@jdubthepharaoh4724 Ngl I played it a while ago it’s a great entry for new ppl now and for me old fans I’m rly happy it’s better now
one thing I don't think the show said straight up they dropped the bombs but that they were willing to if need be, this still might mean they did but till 100% confirmed there's still the possibility they didn't
Based on
Lore from other game I don’t think they dropped it, they were framed, meaning maybe another faction is involved (maybe unclave?)
Yeah personally I very much think vault tec didn't drop the first bomb, but it's fascinating to have canon confirmation that they absolutely were willing to, and pretty soon. Though it's possible they didn't, that's not the side I fall on
@@favouriteghost Vault tec were closely linked to the Enclave so perhaps they were going to influence the US gov to begin the great war. But either the US or China beat them to the punch. ether way both Vault tech and the Enclave knew the bombs would be soon as by the time the great war had started, the Vault tec staff were safely sealed away, the Enclave were in their bunkers and on the oil rig, and the president had gone missing, presumably on the oil rig or other bunker.
The Undetonated bomb in the middle of megaton in Fallout 3 has a vault tec logo on it
Maybe Vault Tec somehow convinced the Chinese that the United States was about to launch nuclear weapons in their nation and therefore tge Chinese decided to "prevent" this dropping the bombs on them first
I've never played a Fallout game, but I watched the show and loved it. Now I'm playing New Vegas and can't stop.
New vegas is the best. I bought it when it was released and have continued playing to this day.
Play anything other than new Vegas, it's the worst one, fallout 4 or fallout 3 are WAYYYY better
@@gummypanda7897Funny
@@gummypanda7897 yeah play the games that have a horrible story writing. Clearly what the OP is looking for /s
@@gummypanda7897unpopular opinion. Every fallout game is good ( except the bos one)
The fallout show was a surprisingly good entry to the series! Im currently on a journey to play all of them
Don’t forget fallout pinball :)
Well if you start with Fallout you will see major issues with the show.
@@bowez9 what are some the issue with the show, since I've played most the games and know most the lore and I've never noticed any except for how ghouls work
@@shajubee8374 location of Shady Sands, Vault 4, 13, 15. Character of the BoS. The lack of development in the NCR (which would be at least Shady Sands, to LA to Las Vegas at a minimum).
Also the fall of Shady Sands doesn't work. Perfect example is the fall of Rome is given as 476 AD when it was sacked not 64 AD when it burned under Nero,
I thought it was a wonderful show but I don't even remember them talking about oil. And the meeting where they agree to drop nukes was odd. It was a comical parody of capitalism. In the games it was just inevitable that they would start fight when other nations ran out of oil. They cud have mentioned lore like the Europe vs middle east conflict.
I would love to hear house mention his brother or family situation in response to Lucy. Just as a fan-servicey thing. If he's alive he's gotta bring it up. Family is one of the biggest themes in the show, I'd love to see it.
This is a perfect video that completely outlines all the actual ties from the show into deeper lore, as well as what certain scenes mean, not to point out the obvious... Either way, great work! I'm sending this to everyone that I made watch the show so they understand since it's only 9 minutes long as well. :)
Thanks for the kind comment! It means a whole lot that you enjoyed it!
I hope Norm starts smashing up the cryopods and forces Bud to let him out
this show took me back to new vegas, 50 more hours on and off since the series released on a new save file. I love that game, so much content to rediscover, thanks to the show
Timeline is little bit inaccurate: Great Plague of 2277 was likely a cover up for Rose (and maybe some other) going out. Same year, Norm, Lucy were back (according to Lucy's short memory of the Sun that she "realized" was Vault light only after her mom was gone just about when Lucy was 6yo), but Shady Sands got nuked 5yrs after all that.
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Norm should’ve just threatened to destroy Bud’s brain. Might’ve just let him out
But then we wouldn't have a mystery that can be resolved in season 2 lol
Thank you! I’m new to Fallout and it’s hard to get all the ins-and-outs of the show. This was very simply put and now I get some stuff that didn’t connect the first time.
Great synopsis. Helped to watch it all play out quickly and sequentially. Really nice job.
Norm is an underrated character
Very well made. Love how you edited the video. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Im so damn hyped for season 2😆😆😆
This got me to play fallout new vegas and fallout 4 again
BIG IROOOOON
Congratulations. What were you playing prior?
This got me to play fallout to begin with. I played shelter but never the other games 🙆♀️
@@ModestestRUST I played a lot of Fallout Shelter, prior I was playing Deep Rock and Helldivers 2 haha
“I caught it”💀
Great vid this explains a lot really well. Thanks
moises arias as norm is such a gem of the show
There's a bit that really doesn't make any sense.
Overnight the single old lady was able to clean up the entire destroyed vault implying that she got assistance from the people in the third vault.
When they open the third vault, everyone was in cryo sleep.
Are we to assume that everyone thawed out of cryo to clean up the vault overnight only to re enter cryo sleep after doing so?
Don’t see why that wouldn’t be possible
@@casschoemakerr possible, yeah. Just very unlikely and impractical while not making sense with how big nose later gained access to and found the state of the third vault.
I figure there’d be automated robots or something cleaning up the place, seeing how brain Bud could operate the facilities by plugging into a wall
@@AzureRook did you watch a different show than everyone else? Bud was a brain on a Roomba stuck against a wall when big nose went into that vault.
@@Loreweavver I also watched the part where that roomba sealed off the vault while being docked into its charger
I hated Moldaver so much
Good buildup but bad first impression with “eVeRyOnE kNoWs WhO i Am”
If they introduced her better i prob would be all for her
Just one of the small criticisms of the fallout show, it’s still pretty good tho
I don't understand one thing. If Maclean knew that Vault 32 was now dead, and this is why he close "connections", how he did manage the wedding? and when he seen this people came from 32(raiders) why he wasn't surprised?
The only thing he knew was that the previous overseer was dead. He didn’t know how or what happened to the rest of vault 32. Which is why he is not surprised when moldaver claims to be the new overseer
New to the fallout universe. Did Hank (and by extension the vaults) have access to nuclear weapons? How was he able to destroy shady sands?
Vault tech did indeed come in possession of some nukes. As he said in the video it's very likely vault tech launched their bombs in America. Also in fallout 3 there is a settlement built around an undetonated nuke which has vault tech sign on it .
how does lucy not remember leaving the vault as a kid. i remember disney world at 4.5 years old. leaving the vault would have been the most extreme experience of her life
Thats interesting. I took the deaths of vault 32 as some kinda of toxin that vault 31 released to make them all go mad and kill eachother. But this makes more sense lol. Still confused how the vault 32 overseer died as it seems like he died smiling. Almost like he was laughing maniacally like an insane man or something
I cant wait to see what decision norm made at the end
Those raiders were not ncr soilders
There were NCR i.e. what ever Moldaver soldiers has. And some raiders (not fully insane ones cause they waited for the signal to strike), later, Moldaver abandoned them, and left with her soldiers only.
@elvisibra I agree. Probably brought vicious raiders to act as revenge for blowing shady sands away.
A new playthrough is in order 😂.
Wait, so what is the main purpose of vault 32 and 33?
To procreate with the “managers” of 31 in order to create children with the managerial traits of Vault Tec employees
I think they did a really great job with the show. I can't wait to see super mutants, the sentry bots and death claws!
But if Bud didn't inform vault 33 that the whole of 32 was a graveyard, doesn't that pose the question why? Or why did Hank or Betty not recognise Muldaver after she was publicly disgraced in the pre war? Or why the supposed good guy NCR hired a bunch of raiders to slaughter a bunch of innocent vault dwellers to get to one evil prick?
I had such high hopes for this show, and it was really fun to watch, but if you think about it for more than a few seconds it all falls apart
Out of curiosity, why would Hank or Betty recognize Muldaver? At best, they heard about her through fellow contacts pre-war. She wasn't like a big deal pre-war, except to those who went to her "communist" meetings (Which were really just anti-Vault Tec meetings). When Hank gets taken by Muldaver in the beginning he says "I THINK I know who you are." As in, he's not certain. There's really nothing to suggest that she was publically disgraced pre-war. Simply that her company was bought out by Vault-Tec and they shelved her research, which pissed her off as her research would essentially be a peaceful solution to the Great War.
As for why the supposed good guy NCR hired a bunch of raiders to slaughter a bunch of vault dwellers... Revenge. Plain and simple. Humans aren't exactly simple creatures. Even a person working for "the good of the people" can take a chance for some relatively petty revenge when given the chance. Hank destroyed her city with all the people inside it. So she destroyed his vault. Pretty cut and dry.
As for Bud not informing people, we don't know why. The show isn't concluded. It could be something they reveal in a future season. Or it isn't plot relevant to the current story, which is why it didn't come up. Maybe they had an entire reason written out, but it ended up on the cutting room floor because it didn't add anything. Frankly, it's a very minor detail.
"cousin stuff"
-rose.
Damn chet. You hit that.
although I am a fan of the fallout games, this is a really well done adaptation that is even better than the games. It is simply a really good script and the sets are well done, the characters are interesting and diverse. Although the lead character is the Vaulty Lucy.. it is easy to get into the Ghoul that has a deep past due to his being alive for over 200 years. And the actor Walton Goggans did an amazing job with it.(stole the show in my opinion)
if there's a triannual trade between the vaults how did they not know everyone in 32 was dead until the raiders showed up?
4:25 the survivors of the surface weren't the ones that rebuilt society it was other vault dwellers
the whole experiment fell apart as well Hank was not suppose to have children
I’ve been looking up lore and such and even though it happens in 2077 for the life of me I can’t figure out why everything seems to be stuck in the 1950’s tech design. Unless somehow the Cold War stopped progression and design and that’s where our timeline diverge or if it boils down to the devs just like the aesthetic more than modern designs 😅
Pretty sure it was a result of the delay in the invention of the transistor.
Wow, I didn’t know that was Bud. Thank you, I don’t know how you got so much insight from watching the show. Did you get this yourself or read it from an official source?
I read the wiki and rewatched bits of it.
Their plan is so stupid. I like everything about the show except that the central premise is so dumb. Why would Vault Tec do all that just to control society? Why would it take so many risks and introduce so many variables for such a small outcome? In the games, Vault Tec never thought their vaults would ever actually be used, so they sold out the vaults to the highest bidder as experiments never dreaming that they'd ever come to fruition. The idea that they decided to nuke the entire world is so stupid and first year college worthy is ridiculous.
Todd Howard: “It just works!”
Yeah, I agree that Vault Tec actually wanting to rule the world is a dumb idea that only Todd would improve of. But hey, need to wipe the franchise clean from Interplay’s influence, right? Just like what they did to Shady Sands.
@@jeremiahwallace2275 In the show, they specifically had a scene where Vault-tec pitched the vaults to the other major corporations for their own experiments. Vault-tec's longterm plans still don't make sense to me, but we can see if they can make it make sense..... also, enough with the "Bethesda hates Obsidian/Interplay and is mad they made a fallout game". The background and flavor of FNV is the major setting for the whole series.
It’s supposed to represent the short-sighted profit-driven motives of our major corporations in America.
Long-term, it doesn’t make sense at all to blow up the whole damn country. But short-term, they’ll sell a lot of vaults and make a lot of money.
They are so blinded by greed and power that, yes, their motives seem nothing but sinister. But look around you. Are we not surrounded by corporations who would do anything, even kill, if it meant providing “shareholder value.” Off the top of my head, the pharmaceutical and military-industrial complex in this nation are built on the graves of many.
It’s a bit hyperbolic, but its Fallout - Vault-Tec is a satire of how American corporations run themselves.
@@jeremiahwallace2275of its them going off the idea of the oroginal fallout TV show.
Its still dumb even back then
This is what happens when what you love is taken. changed and dumbed down for a wider modern audience. The same people who watch Rings of Power...
If I’m Norm I would threaten to eat Bud’s brain.
I have a question. If Lucy's father was thawed out and not a descendant the earlier Vault dwellers, then how is it that Chet is related to him?
Mother side
correction *using the inhabitants of the vaults to do so. including all vault tech AND Enclave personnel who dwelled within.
pretty sure president was on the moon or some shit. possibly even explains why aliens came here. in the lore~
They should've told Bud they didn't Ask-ins.
@Patty_rick what?
I can't wait to watch the show
I wonder how long you can live with a human brain as your food source?
BTW: captioning completely stopped after 7:52
I wonder if they woke up all of the managers to help put down the insurrection in 32 and / or clean up the mess afterwards.
Remember vault 0 fallout tactic Tamar vault tec were exterminated population erased the surface but failed so surface save FOR NOW
"and, oh well" all that wouldn't have happened if they just knew that it was vault tec 😭
How was Moldaver alive for 200 years?
Good question
I never understood why "buds buds" were cryogeniclly frozen bc wasnt the point of vault 111 to test cryogenics long term?
Lol can't believe you put the link on the wrong side.
"Norm would then go with his cousin Chet..." at this point aren't everybody cousins?
I still dont understand the ultimate goal of this experiment
The ultimate goal, was for everyone to get rich, by selling the vaults.
Of the experiment of the vault or the experiment vault tec was making?
great video
7:15
Reminds me of something
who answered the undercover email from vault 31? was it bud?
yes
norm boutta become the main character
And what about Vault 4?
That’s going to be my next video!
Want to play foot ball here you go THROW NUKE. I got it Blows up
Edit There were two parts of the vault raid NCR soldiers and Raiders
I'm interested to know how much work has been done to suppress cold fusion progression (IRL). 🤔 Unlimited energy doesn't fit into the US' true capitalist society
Unlimited energy is impossible in real life. It breaks many laws of physics. So no suppression is made against any free/unlimited energy sources
So, this all drives me nuts. 3 questions are not answered. 1) how does a vault have a nuke/how did they nuke Shady Sands? It’s just hand-waved away, but I actually want to know, how does a vault overseer happen to have what I presume is a remote detonation nuclear bomb or a nuclear missile in his back pocket? 2) How does Vault 32 get cleaned up so quick. HOW. A small army of Protectrons and/or Mr Handy’s? Like, if that’s what’s revealed to be the case, cool, that would be wild. But seriously, it’s portrayed as within a few days the vault’s completely cleaned up and restocked on supplies. 3) How does Hank not recognize Moldaver the minute she shows up in the vault. HOW. She’s the primary driving force behind his wife wanting to stay on the surface. How would he not recognize her.
I for one HATE Moldaver as a character as they had all the building blocks there to make her a SUPERB villain and then it feels like the last episode they bait and switched us so she is this super altruistic good guy, which flies in the face of the entire point of Fallout and the show’s messaging which it gets fairly right. Altruism fails where enlightened self interest succeeds. You CAN do good things, you can be merciful, you don’t have to profit from every interaction, but the only when you know you are safe first and foremost. You don’t get a thing besides a bullet in the skull for being the good guy, and Moldaver flies in the face of that.
In fact, no, here, I’ll fix Moldaver without changing a single story beat. Easy. Prewar: Moldaver was on the verge of her energy breakthrough, but needed more funding, so she sold her tech to Vault-tec in exchange for the funds to finish the job. Vault-tec on the eve of the breakthrough proceeds to give her a golden parachute to shut her up and boots her from the company, hoarding her research. She realizes she could have become the absurdly wealthy and sues unsuccessfully to reclaim her research, and then proceeds to use the golden parachute to turn her own group of followers into a quasi anti-corporate cult, targeting specifically individuals married to those of power and influence, tearing families apart in order to try and gather enough blackmail material to force Vault Tec to give back her research. The Ghoul’s family was just one of many she destroyed in her pursuit. The enclave gets ahold of the energy research in the process of setting up for the apocalypse, and tucks the data away in its rocky mountain research station where it languishes for years until one of their scientists manages to recreate the breakthrough including the, uh, reactive plasma? The blue crap.
Moldaver is alive because some of the data her turncoats stole included the cryo freezing designs as well as the location of a vault which had been abandoned due to budget cuts. Her cult sets her up as a kind of frozen prophet to reawaken one day and lead the world back to prosperity without sinful corporations. She is reawakened by descendants of her cult once the NCR has reached a populous enough point for her to be able to ply her skills at manipulation and infiltration as a cult leader, and one of her top targets is the wife of a vault overseer who came to the surface. She uses her same prewar skillset to convert the wife to her side, using her as bait to get the overseer out of the vault so she can capture him; she managed to scavenge examples of her tech out of Vault City itself, promising the authorities she could make it work and provide the region energy, but she needed a voiceprint ID of an original Vault Tec employee of sufficient rank to make the machine activate. She new thanks to her prewar spying vault tec’s plans for vault 31, 32, and 33.
The NCR is left bloodied but not unbroken after Hank used his own vault’s tech that was causing the artificial famines to hit the NCR’s crops causing a regional famine that collapsed the local government, which in turn is why the local region is devoid of settlements. By that time during the chaos Hank had retrieved his kids and shot his wife; Moldaver was away because she wasn’t close personal friends with his wife, she was just another converted cult member. Moldaver spends the next several years converting the surviving NCR residents in the region that hadn’t fled south or north into a small army of followers, and sees this at the perfect opportunity to fill the power vacuum; the brotherhood of steel was still too small, so if she could get energy flowing soon she could set herself up as the california wasteland’s undisputed ruler. Using her same creepy manipulative skills to convert an enclave spy the ncr captured into a double agent, she uses the double agent to reach out to an enclave scientist to convince him to defect to the NCR with the blue goo which is the other piece of the puzzle. Her raid on vault 33 to capture the overseer isn’t done by raiders but a select group of followers, and so she sets off the chain of events in the show, sitting idle because she has her fortress, she has the reactor ready, and she has her vault tec employee, she can just let the blue goo come to her and the other sides bleed themselves dry because its useless without the other two pieces she holds.
To answer your first question, hank is tied up with vault tec. Perhaps he messaged bud to launch nukes since the experiment was going wrong or maybe he did it himself since at the end of the show he is seen going to a some sort of city which could have some vault tec high rankings? For the second question, I got no idea. I wonder the same thing. Perhaps I missed something in the show? In their defense the renovation was done quickly as you can see imperfections but yea, cleaning a vault that quick is very questionable. As for your third question I think hank did not know who moldaver is since he never met her. He went to the surface took the children and nuked the city.
This is what you get when chatgbt writes scripts for million dollar shows.
considering each vault had failed ( even some rerare residents survived) vault tec had screw up royally
i thought they killed each other in vault 32 because they were overpopulated and had to fight for survival like that rat thingy
Is the fallout show canon to the video games or its entirely own thing
It's canon... according to Todd H
Fallout game fans will ultimately decide, not Todd Howard or any Amazon executive.
I have one problem with the story. How is it that Moldaver is conveniently not only living, but also in charge of the NCR group at this time? This plot hole bugs the crap out of me.
The same way vault tech employees are alive 200 years after the nukes. She’s definitely an ex employee.
so how did vault tech gain neuclear weapons to drop on the world
i feel like Buds name is a play on words in a way to me its too close to Bud Ass Kiss lmao
Question, who cleaned up the mess in vault 32?
me
Why would norm trade with vault 32 if he knew there was nobody left alive?
Must’ve been a clonaid norm. The real norm is chilling in vault 31 fucking kids with his Freemason friends.
Not all of the enemys in vault ar NCR some raiders amd a couple of NCR
That thumbnail has it labeled wrong. Norm is from 33 not 31, and Steph Harper is from 31
Each scene corresponds to the vault rather than the character
@@Pattyrick ah that makes sense
Don't forget moldevor and rose both were in relationship not as friends. No wonder why he bombed them😆
Theres a plot hole in your explanation. If mclean knew about vault 32 being dead why would he prepare a wedding and open the door. Whoever is on the other side is not the residents
All he knew was that the old overseer was dead and he presumed that the old one was replaced with a new one. That was the extent of his knowledge, he was not informed by Bud Askins about the revolt in Vault 32.
Not remnants but remnents of the LA /sandy sands NCR there ar more citys in the NCR
Why not smash the creepy brain roomba and save everyone else?
Neglected!! really!? Neglected?? Makes no sense what so ever..
A vault system that is a litteral conspiracy experiment shady business just negelects something laike that for 2 years till shit hits the fan.. And even then, Hank.. Bud, and everyone form 31 are oblivious😮 of the raid 😂😂😂 I loved this show but I need someone to make this make sense plz!!
34 had more guns.
Wasn't it proven that vault tech didn't actually drop the bombs?
Skills and talents aren't genetic.
Least not in the real world.
So what’s happening with the rest of the world other than the United states
Maybe this has actually happened?
Wasn't Rose in a lesbian relationship with Moldaver?
It’s not confirmed so I neglected to mention it
@@Pattyrick ah
We don't know what Rose and Moldaver were. All we got is quick shot of the two looking and smiling at each other (like that everyone everywhere can be lovers), while Moldaver's LACK of care for Lucy's and Norm's lives is also shown. So lovers definitely NOT confirmed. 🤷 @@JamalSnitchy
@@elvisibra in the scene that Moldaver dies, she's holding the hand of Rose, which makes it possible, just not confirmed.
@@JamalSnitchy I mean, Lucy and Stephany are holding hands multiple times during ep 1..
As I said: quick shot + lack of content + lack of context = show where some people's head canons jump immediately.
We will see, what what is, in season 2 (there will be more backstory about all that happened, pre nukes, Shady Sands, etc)..
Is there a scenario like this is not that far off.. total nuclear Annihilation is on the back burner right now as I speak.. unlike this series we the people will not be on the list.. only the rich ass people friends family and the people that work for them.. I have been hearing about the bunkers the entire cities Underground.. that they are stocked to the rafters and they are still trucking stuff in..they live and we die..
Makes no sense that Betty would want to integrate raiders if she is from 31
Why wouldn't it make sense? More people to experiment on. They do need to bulk up their numbers and having a larger host of breedable people who's genetics don't intersect with the others is good. Assuming she could actually get them assimilated to vault life. This is Vault-Tec, after all. No need to waste good test subjects.
yeah i'm not sure why she would want to integrate them while steph wants to kill them, if they are both from 31
maybe steph's desire for revenge is greater than her duty to vault tec? but idk that doesn't seem like something an otherwise heartless vault-tec executive would do, and it didn't really seem like she loved her husband anyways
What if fallout was real
Brainchild*
imagine how woke the enclave will be when they are introduced. Or if they are even because in the show they called the WOkehood of Stool the enclave LOL.
Considering the BoS mentioned the Commonwealth being under there control, we can imagine most of the enclave is gone except a few exceptions.
Idk why the hell he went to the pods at the end all he had was threatened to mash the tank of fuck with shit and there goes there plan right there end of that storyline
That's the thing we're not gonna know what happens in season 2 because season 2 is covering fall out new Vegas
Rofl what do you mean? Do you remember who went to new vegas?
Im sorry guys they will be in New Vegas I was under the impression that the fallout show was covering all the games that's why I thought they was going to do a hole season on the plot of new Vegas game
@@michaelschaumleffel-lc5um are u always this dumb?
Imagine being this autistic
The show has so many plot holes, and theyre large enough to drive city buses through..
Urghh. I hate when they change canon lore to fit it into som low effory fem-fest show.
Moldaver was Rose lover, not friend.
I don't know how much of a pick Hank is but you don't take a guy's kids away.