Dont get me wrong this is by far my favorite youtube channel, they could be makin way more money with the brains in that shop, but it wouldnt be as fun thats for sure
Back in the day in a communist country if you got the opportunity to have a car you kept that car on the road any way you can. It's how they have skills like this and that gets passed down. In a country like the US or Japan cars are much more disposible. My uncle who was a street sweeper mechanic and worked for the city and motor pool in the military HE had skills like this. Anyone working on regular cars in the US would just buy a new crack or a new car because they are so plentiful and available. A lot of these old cars you see in Cuba are like this, hardcore hack jobs but because of that they have no real value on the international classic car market.
The cross plane crank in motorcycle applications was intended to help the drive tire have improved traction by controlling the power pulses released by the engine. Instead of the power pulses with the standard firing order assaulting the tire and making it harder to control, the cross plane crank allowed a pause in the firing and this allows the tire to gain traction.
@christopherdesbaux5950 Triumph uses the same principle with their Tiger dual sport. Their triple has an altered firing order so it runs more like a big twin
Not quite, that ISN'T the reason the dual plane was designed, it was to counter the MECHANICAL torque fluctuations from the inertial fluctuations, which had much higher spikes than the actual power impulses - but you are correct in the intent being to give better drive traction. I had thought of having a proper conversion done, with custom crankshaft and camshaft grinds, for a 4 cylinder car, but there is no point because the issues it was designed to counter don't exist in that application. Well, maybe a BIG 4 cylinder, like THOR?
Other than the possibility of the cam lobes and crankshaft throws being slightly off, the problem with the engine not revving lies in the intake manifold. It was designed for a flat plane crankshaft, and it was manufactured to flow well with that crank setup. Make a pair of manifolds with two runners each and a single carb on each manifold. The engine will rev until the crank falls out.
The intake has four individual runners. It is not going to make any difference if its a flatplane or crossplane engine. It doesnt rev because the crank- and camshaft are complete junk, literally welded together from pieces. They should be turned and balanced, and even then you're missing a balance shaft, which is going to be a pretty diffcult issue to solve.
@@CatrikI agree that the intake has 4 individual runners, but it is fed from a common plenum . The center two cylinders would run rich, because the carb is directly across from them, and those runners are shorter, so they make those runners smaller in diameter to lean the mixture. The outer runners are longer and of a different diameter. They were designed for that particular firing order, which has dramatically changed, which will make a different intake manifold design necessary. There are cam grinders that make a cam for Ford 351W engines to change the firing order. More horsepower results, but the stock intake manifold must be changed or two cylinders (I don't recall which two) run rich with the new firing order.
@@Catriknew engines make camshafts like this with the lobes simply pressed on. These ones are at least solidly attached unlike a lot of brand new machines
I think the vibration is what keeps the engine from revving. The original crank counterbalances need to be completely shaved, and a counter shaft needs to be added somehow (externally).
It’s a lot of them already done on rus segment of youtube. Even 700+ hp ladas existing. Niva, on factory engine with turbo that beats nissan gtr, and many others. This guys do things that never been done before.
@@Hi---There almost every experiment they do would be more fun if they had more than 70hp... They make neat things but a Lada can barely get out of its own way...
@@mac24seven several years ago they put three engines straight. It was fun indeed. 6 cylinder engine, welded from two 4 cylinder. I showed more power… and been shown to neighbour auto repair shop. Reaction was really fun. 8))) 0_o ??? 6 cylinder lada engine???
@@mac24sevenMaybe a Toyota engine in a Lada could work. Japanese reliability + Eastern European ruggedness = perfection. All the Lada needs is some German interior.
Hahaha! The old cross-plane crank I4. Yamaha did that for the R1 motorcycle a few years ago. The noise is the same as that of a V4 (such as my VFR800). The sound of a V4 or cross-plane I4 is fantastic! Welcome to my world whenever I get my bike out for some play time! 😁
Have never seen Garage 54 use a dyno before. Hopefully the guys (and gals) who are a part of G54 can get themselves a dyno. Would love to see the HP and kW of each car.
Y'all are amazing cobbling together a distributor for a custom crank an cam and it firing right over is on another level...if garage 54 said hey we're gonna build a diy stealth jet I would genuinely believe they could do it 😅😅😅
This is the greatest Lada engine mod yet. That sound is incredible. Sounds so much like a V8 I can't believe it. Had to keep rewinding it and listening to it. And the revs those welds handled is impressive.
Damn!!!! Sounds like a Small Block Chevy!! Sounds incredible! If you just heard the sound, and didn't look under the hood, you would swear someone stuffed a V8 in that thing! I bet you guys have every Lata withing a 50 mile radius shaking in their boots! None of them want to wind up in your shop!!
Hahahaha. Yeah I thought they vacuumed-up every old lada in the state; and have their eye on the next one too. They must have a yard full of all their freak creations !. Hahahaha
I love your curiosity and your willingness to go through complex procedures to test your ideas. You are a talented group of gentlemen. This is always an interesting place to visit. Thanks for recording.
You might want to actually look at Lada prices in the USA before you say that... They need to be 25 years old to import, and good used examples of that age are not exactly leaving Russia in huge numbers. By the time they're shipped here by a used car dealer specializing in that type of import auto you're looking at minimum $30k.
@@tilen3266Even then the standard flat plane order is just inherently better at balancing itself. While it is possible to do well, there's less margin for error and still an inferior setup at the end of the day. It can make sense for a high power race bike since the power pulses to that single rear wheel can be safer and more predictable for the rider when accelerating out of a corner. The more trust the rider has in such a machine, the faster they'll be comfortable running it on a track. There's a reason even Yamaha didn't do this for models right below the R1. It's a complex setup that sounds awesome but really only makes sense for niche situations.
LOL, it sounds like an old V4 Wisconsin industrial engine. I didn't think that a cross-plane would have disturbed the normal 180 degree firing order, but I guess it does. Pretty crazy stuff!😆
@@gabrielv.4358Hah hah, thanks. I wish I still had mine. I've been reduced to an '85 Toyota 'soccer mom' van. Same general feel, but it ain't a VW bus!😄
Would love to see this run 2-3k kilometers and then have the engine oil checked for metal shavings, as well as engine tear down to check the rod and cam bearings for wear. Someone else posted that the cams and crankshaft were not properly balanced after fabrication causing a lot of the vibration and I would tend to agree. Saw another comment saying the intake runners would need to be adjusted and that would be another great follow up video. Thank you for sharing, very interesting!
Good effort! You are half way there. Now do one in a different way : cut the crank in the middle only, and rotate one half 90° away. You will see that Yamaha has done it wrong. This way, it can operate without balancer shafts, same as an URS engine.
I've been waiting for a different channel to finish their version of this for years, and these random Russians just go and DO IT in a frickin weekend. Hats off, fellas. This is badass.
You can check some of their previous shenanigans like plastic pistons, transparent crankcase, or beer cans for tires. I'm not sure if they had been dubbed in English though...
literally just like cutting n american V8 in half, and putting it in a lada. got that same sound. and imo, small displacement V configuration engines with multiple cylinders and a cross plane crank, like a slant six from an old muscle car sound good.
EXCELLENT!! You've answered a question I've always had since Yamaha came up with their cross plane engine for their motorcycles. It really does sound like a small V8. I think a change of exhaust tailpipe would really make a difference to the sound 👍
You guys are making science with old Lada platforms never cease to amaze me, pure quality content at finest Recreating the Yamaha's crossplane crank for Lada engine is a job for mad geniuses Next time try with a custom made billet crankshaft with full 8 counterweighs to reduce vibrations and NVH levels to the minimum acceptable levels, a custom cam with better profile will help for revving the engine up to stock redline or better performance, test it in a dyno and you can show the results These videos are fun and educational at best, keep this great work
Much respect for the upload fellas, awesome work, very enjoyable, thank you! And thanks BMI Russian for the voice over and translation, big love from the UK.
So a 4 cylinder sounds like a v8 and a v8 in the same configuration sounds like a 4 cylinder😂 Absolutely love you guys. The creativity and the talent you all have that goes into all of this fun stuff is amazing👋👍. Greetings From Norway😊
I think I would be awesome to take this to the next level. Next time have a machine shop do the cutting and balancing anything out. Then put it to a long term test!
I guess I’m referring to an extremely advanced machine shop that can truly balance cranks, use dial micrometers to clock and rotate the cams and crank shaft. Basically actually build the engine like they were factory or aftermarket parts that are perfectly clocked and balanced. I love that they do stuff like this. But taking a flat plane crank to a cross plane with no adjustments to the counter weights on the crank is going to cause huge vibrations, like what broke the bell housing. It would be super cool to see a “built” cross plane Lada engine that they could put on dynos and take racing.
@@joesutton3181 there may be easier ways of fixing the broken bellhousing issue, such as using a gearbox for a larger engine, using longer bolts and a reinforcing steel frame, using a dual mass flywheel from a tdi etc.
My first thought listening to the intro pitch was thinking a custom ground crank and cam then saw the rapid prototyping and loved the solution it might not last for 100’s of Km but works for the proof of concept
The reason yamaha used the crossplane in the r6 was to change the firing spacing. Normally, the spacing is even but with the crossplane you get 2 cylinders firing in quick succesion then a breif pause the idea was the 2 quick pulses would accelerate you out of the corner while the small pauses give the tires a break keeping from exceeding the grip of the tires. Quick edit: This is why the cross plane motors were called big bang motors . The 2 quick power pulses acted as a bigger power pulse.
exactly, except it was the R1 not the R6. It gives the rear tire a chance to keep traction when on the side of the tire. It was used on the M1 yamaha in Motogp, where they get 300 hp out of 1000cc engines, no turbos, bore limit of 78mm and limited fuel and they stlll make insane hp
Bro speaking like it takes an eternity for 2 quick succession bangs inside an engine, and that the pause also has any significant time delay to do anything of whatever bullshit he tried to describe. Where dafuq do these people come from? 😂😂😂
Balance shafts would have to be redesigned. Fluidampr would help, and, as mentioned, twin Weber 2-barrel carbs would even out mixture at each cylinder.
I have told them this before, a 5 cylinder diesel Lada with a modernized interior, GPS, fancy dashboard and new paint job. A luxury Lada with 800 km of range. But Garage 54 has to get through other people's requests. :) I don't drive, but if I did, a modernized 1980s Lada with bleeding edge technology and 5 cylinder modified diesel engine inside would be my dream car. Economy cars are the best.
@@thatguyalex2835 they not do ordinary things. Just swap MB or BMW diesel in lada quite common . A lot of Nivas swaped on diesel. Make 5 cylinder, after they did 6 cylinder and convert to diesel. It will not go 800 even once. Just conversion petrol lada engine in to diesel is already done.
The advantage of Yamaha's cross-plane arrangement, as i understand it, is to stack power stokes so traction will break momentarily when traction is near its limit. This is useful (as feedback) for motorcycle riders as they (we) apply throttle when exiting a turn to accelerate. As the rear tire begins to untermittently slip, the rider can optimally modulate power for the conditions. It seems to me, this mod would only help in a car; 1) if your engine has enough power to break traction, and 2) the car doesn't have ABS/traction control.
Except in a car you have twice the number of tires and the drive train offers more ways to deal with similar issues, other than traction control (I'm not sure how ABS would be relevant here). The feedback you'd get pushing a motorcycle really wouldn't be all that useful in a car and the ones with enough instant power to matter wouldn't be a 4 cylinder anyway.
The original intent of the cross-plane crank was to create uneven spacing of the power pulses as they made it to the rear wheel, this allowed a small moment for the rear wheel to regain traction in a corner, which increased stability at the cost of engine vibration, which is compensated for by using balancing shafts
@@Pavlos_Charalambousу нас сейчас даже "классика" (так мы называем Лады с классическим расположением агрегатов) стали стоить под 1000 долларов. Т. К. дрифтеры их скупают и уничтожают в своих развлечениях😂
This is the best video that I have been waiting for and commented on most of your videos to convert a flatplane to crossplane ❤❤❤❤❤ Love your work... I learn a lot from you guys❤❤❤❤
Badass. That's why i love Garage54 these dudes kick ass. .. ive not missed an episode yet... I've wanted to do this to a Honda B16 motor for ever. Too cool. It makes it half an American V8 and basically running as 2 V twins connected... Kinda like a Triumph or Xs650 with a 277* crank mod. Real cool
A long anticipated episode and one after my own heart. Still cant beleive the welding skill of these guys, Lada must use forged steel (ie not cast iron) in thier cranks for this one to even survive being cranked to life (after chop and weld), let alone the lumpty dump torsional vibration it is subjected to with this firing order. One question answered here is how much low rpm idle vibration there is in a X-plane 4 without balance shafts. Best episode yet and many thanks for playing out a dream. In a dedicated production car all issues would be solved using a 270 degree crank boxer 4 layout, and sticking to a heavily built manual FWD transmission. There's absolutely no advantage to be held in this power dynamic accept acceleration and that head turning sound.
Definitely more time tuning could make that engine peek and a viable mod for Lada. Also, could you try this modification on a diesel Lada to see if anything different happens
Finally! Been waiting for this for years ❤ (A four cylinder with 90 degree crank will sound similar to a V8 due to the uneven firing order creating that epic beat)
This is one of the biggest questions about so many engines of all kinds- basically, changing out the parts you need to in order to change the firing order- very cool video. You guys are great- you do all the craziest stuff and it so neat to see the documentation of it! Did you guys use the stock headers? I have been working as I watched and I skipped back through a bit to see if I'd missed that part but couldn't figure out if you did. If you made custom headers that changed the lengths to match the new firing order so that they phase up just right you could probably get an even better sound and/or more power. This likely seems like a minor project to most folks but this is actually one of my favorite videos you've made- this is very impressive! I think it's neat to see that you almost always use the same engine to compare things- gives a solid baseline for comparing. That said, I'd also love to see you guys do things like this with other Engines too. You will have my attention either way! Thanks again!
As I understand it, the Crossplane engine was designed with the concept that, on a motorcycle, there is a long section with no firing which allows the back tyre to regain grip so the bike handles better at racing speeds
This needs revisiting for more testing! As far as balance I would look at how V8 cranks are designed and loose the counter weights on number 2 and 3 or even the 4 -71 Detroit diesel cranks as they're crossplane too but double counter weight the outer cylinders. High speed lada drifting with V8 sound!
That's an incredible job, if you can balance the crankshaft and the camshaft, and equipped with individual carburetors, that engine will blow up for sure (in a good way) the sound is amazing ❤
using the distributor from an 8 cylinder engine to get the correct timing was genius
Very good call. I've built custom cars for 35 years and that impressed me lol
Agreed
There’s nothing impossible for these guys
: )
You have to with what you have and that’s exactly what they did
The talent in this garage is amazing.
Honestly its wasted on youtube
Dont get me wrong this is by far my favorite youtube channel, they could be makin way more money with the brains in that shop, but it wouldnt be as fun thats for sure
More like amusing lol
That's russians for you ... super smart people
Back in the day in a communist country if you got the opportunity to have a car you kept that car on the road any way you can. It's how they have skills like this and that gets passed down. In a country like the US or Japan cars are much more disposible. My uncle who was a street sweeper mechanic and worked for the city and motor pool in the military HE had skills like this. Anyone working on regular cars in the US would just buy a new crack or a new car because they are so plentiful and available. A lot of these old cars you see in Cuba are like this, hardcore hack jobs but because of that they have no real value on the international classic car market.
Glorious Yamada
or Lamaha lol
Yalada
i vote ladaha
@@_BaguetteDoggo that was the other option I was considering.
Ladamaha
Sounds amazing. The 8 cylinder distributor was absolutely genius
The cross plane crank in motorcycle applications was intended to help the drive tire have improved traction by controlling the power pulses released by the engine. Instead of the power pulses with the standard firing order assaulting the tire and making it harder to control, the cross plane crank allowed a pause in the firing and this allows the tire to gain traction.
Bingo, hence why motocross bikes always are singles.
@christopherdesbaux5950 Triumph uses the same principle with their Tiger dual sport. Their triple has an altered firing order so it runs more like a big twin
Not quite, that ISN'T the reason the dual plane was designed, it was to counter the MECHANICAL torque fluctuations from the inertial fluctuations, which had much higher spikes than the actual power impulses - but you are correct in the intent being to give better drive traction.
I had thought of having a proper conversion done, with custom crankshaft and camshaft grinds, for a 4 cylinder car, but there is no point because the issues it was designed to counter don't exist in that application. Well, maybe a BIG 4 cylinder, like THOR?
"Cross plane" turned out better than Yamaha's idiotic 5 valve per cylinder engine, but the king of traction is still a V-twin.
Other than the possibility of the cam lobes and crankshaft throws being slightly off, the problem with the engine not revving lies in the intake manifold. It was designed for a flat plane crankshaft, and it was manufactured to flow well with that crank setup. Make a pair of manifolds with two runners each and a single carb on each manifold. The engine will rev until the crank falls out.
The intake has four individual runners. It is not going to make any difference if its a flatplane or crossplane engine. It doesnt rev because the crank- and camshaft are complete junk, literally welded together from pieces. They should be turned and balanced, and even then you're missing a balance shaft, which is going to be a pretty diffcult issue to solve.
@@CatrikI agree that the intake has 4 individual runners, but it is fed from a common plenum . The center two cylinders would run rich, because the carb is directly across from them, and those runners are shorter, so they make those runners smaller in diameter to lean the mixture. The outer runners are longer and of a different diameter. They were designed for that particular firing order, which has dramatically changed, which will make a different intake manifold design necessary.
There are cam grinders that make a cam for Ford 351W engines to change the firing order. More horsepower results, but the stock intake manifold must be changed or two cylinders (I don't recall which two) run rich with the new firing order.
Would love to see this, nice 4 into 2 into 1 straight-pipe and dual carbs
@@Catriknew engines make camshafts like this with the lobes simply pressed on.
These ones are at least solidly attached unlike a lot of brand new machines
I think the vibration is what keeps the engine from revving. The original crank counterbalances need to be completely shaved, and a counter shaft needs to be added somehow (externally).
Turbo Lada build please!
I hope everyone appreciates how good the Garage 54 guys are at fabricating things.
Awesome experiment!
It’s a lot of them already done on rus segment of youtube. Even 700+ hp ladas existing. Niva, on factory engine with turbo that beats nissan gtr, and many others.
This guys do things that never been done before.
@@Hi---There almost every experiment they do would be more fun if they had more than 70hp... They make neat things but a Lada can barely get out of its own way...
@@mac24seven But the ladas vts something ... :)
@@mac24seven several years ago they put three engines straight. It was fun indeed.
6 cylinder engine, welded from two 4 cylinder. I showed more power… and been shown to neighbour auto repair shop. Reaction was really fun. 8)))
0_o ??? 6 cylinder lada engine???
@@mac24sevenMaybe a Toyota engine in a Lada could work. Japanese reliability + Eastern European ruggedness = perfection. All the Lada needs is some German interior.
These guys with a stand alone ECU would be amazing. This engine with efi and computer controlled spark timing would be awesome
Hahaha! The old cross-plane crank I4. Yamaha did that for the R1 motorcycle a few years ago. The noise is the same as that of a V4 (such as my VFR800). The sound of a V4 or cross-plane I4 is fantastic! Welcome to my world whenever I get my bike out for some play time! 😁
You guys are genius. I would love to see dyno tests on these redesigns!
45hp I'd guess.
Yeah without proper balancing and stuff it wouldn't be a fair test. As much as it'd be cool to know more than Vlad's buttdyno results.
@@frankdesbauxis that 45 soviet hp or..?
45 Putin power@@forbiddenera
Have never seen Garage 54 use a dyno before. Hopefully the guys (and gals) who are a part of G54 can get themselves a dyno. Would love to see the HP and kW of each car.
1/2 an American V8. Sounds cool!
Hahahaha sounds like an old ford I had that had a few dead cylinders 😂😂😂
NGL this sound reminds me of a common American 60s V8
And slow.
2/2 yamaha cross plane crank
Its got a nice loap to it.
Y'all are amazing cobbling together a distributor for a custom crank an cam and it firing right over is on another level...if garage 54 said hey we're gonna build a diy stealth jet I would genuinely believe they could do it 😅😅😅
They've already built one but you can't see it
It was a Hangar54 episode
This 🤣@@niftyjig
Blud figured out how the su-57 got made
This is the greatest Lada engine mod yet. That sound is incredible. Sounds so much like a V8 I can't believe it. Had to keep rewinding it and listening to it. And the revs those welds handled is impressive.
Now put on the dual webers, weld the diff and push... ❤️
I’d say 4 yamaha single bike carbs
But yes
Nope, fuel injection.
carb>efi@@v4skunk739
@@v4skunk739fuel injection sucks
@@FedkaSlovanich Not if you want raw power.
Damn!!!! Sounds like a Small Block Chevy!! Sounds incredible! If you just heard the sound, and didn't look under the hood, you would swear someone stuffed a V8 in that thing!
I bet you guys have every Lata withing a 50 mile radius shaking in their boots! None of them want to wind up in your shop!!
Exactly! If a Chevy Cruze sounded like this I’d be sold lol
Hahahaha. Yeah I thought they vacuumed-up every old lada in the state; and have their eye on the next one too. They must have a yard full of all their freak creations !. Hahahaha
You know when you have what if ideas that's hard to do but interesting...these guys do it every week.
Your team is composed of some of the most talented Russians I’ve seen.
Spaceba, from California.
6:50 BMW need to start using Lada timing chains, anything’s better than the Micky mouse ones they currently use 😂
The Volkswagen timing chain are worse than timing belt.
@@GF-mf7mlFord wet belts 🤮
They should go back to the m60 duplex chain and roller sprocket
@@bradykay9322 m30 returned
n20 plastic chain guides flashbacks.
I love your curiosity and your willingness to go through complex procedures to test your ideas. You are a talented group of gentlemen. This is always an interesting place to visit. Thanks for recording.
swapping the distributor amazed me. that made me understood the contacts way better.
That is the most powerful sound I have ever heard from a 4 cylinder engine, ever!! SO EPIC
YESS another awesome Garage 54 video!
I would literally own a Lada simply because you guys are great!!😃👍👍👍🤜🤛
Probably the most reliable cars in Russia . Like an old Datsun . :)
My brother, more than a quarter century ago, owned Lada's; a few of them. They adapted well to our Canadian winters.
I could definitely believe that . :)@@TiborRoussou
You might want to actually look at Lada prices in the USA before you say that...
They need to be 25 years old to import, and good used examples of that age are not exactly leaving Russia in huge numbers. By the time they're shipped here by a used car dealer specializing in that type of import auto you're looking at minimum $30k.
Holy molie ! lol Naaa not worth it guys . lol @@UmmmmmmmWhat
This is my favorite so far, changing the crank angle changes so much, especially the exhaust notes, great stuff.
A team of engineers, works so hard, to get a basic Lada engine reliable, and standardized, Vlad is like: " Hand me a grinder and a welder."
lada engine always runs, just never good lmao.
Lmao a team of engineers, seeing as how it’s a old Lada it was probably one engineer and a bunch of community college kids lol
Man this has to be the new standard for 4 cylinder firing order is sounds sooo good
it's just plain inferior (aside from soundtrack) to the standard, flatplane 4 cylinder for cars, sadly.
Never going to happen because it fires so unevenly. flatplane I4 fires 180-180-180-180 degrees. Crossplane fires 180-90-180-270 degrees.
@@edfx yes i know. But just as a sound thing. And i mean balance shafts do exist sooo…
@@tilen3266Even then the standard flat plane order is just inherently better at balancing itself. While it is possible to do well, there's less margin for error and still an inferior setup at the end of the day.
It can make sense for a high power race bike since the power pulses to that single rear wheel can be safer and more predictable for the rider when accelerating out of a corner. The more trust the rider has in such a machine, the faster they'll be comfortable running it on a track. There's a reason even Yamaha didn't do this for models right below the R1. It's a complex setup that sounds awesome but really only makes sense for niche situations.
LOL, it sounds like an old V4 Wisconsin industrial engine. I didn't think that a cross-plane would have disturbed the normal 180 degree firing order, but I guess it does. Pretty crazy stuff!😆
For real, thats the sound. v4! Nice Kombi also
@@gabrielv.4358Hah hah, thanks. I wish I still had mine. I've been reduced to an '85 Toyota 'soccer mom' van. Same general feel, but it ain't a VW bus!😄
The video we've all been waiting since they first cut and welded the crankshaft.
it takes a great understanding of mechanical timing to do this incredible job fellas
Would love to see this run 2-3k kilometers and then have the engine oil checked for metal shavings, as well as engine tear down to check the rod and cam bearings for wear. Someone else posted that the cams and crankshaft were not properly balanced after fabrication causing a lot of the vibration and I would tend to agree. Saw another comment saying the intake runners would need to be adjusted and that would be another great follow up video. Thank you for sharing, very interesting!
Good effort! You are half way there.
Now do one in a different way : cut the crank in the middle only, and rotate one half 90° away. You will see that Yamaha has done it wrong. This way, it can operate without balancer shafts, same as an URS engine.
THAT sounds great! Imagine a late model GTI attending a cars & coffee event set up like this. Everyone would freak about the soundtrack....
Great job guys it sounds almost like a small block Chevy 350. Very impressive!
I've been waiting for a different channel to finish their version of this for years, and these random Russians just go and DO IT in a frickin weekend.
Hats off, fellas. This is badass.
if you watch their other video, many crazy build in just 1 video
You can check some of their previous shenanigans like plastic pistons, transparent crankcase, or beer cans for tires. I'm not sure if they had been dubbed in English though...
literally just like cutting n american V8 in half, and putting it in a lada. got that same sound. and imo, small displacement V configuration engines with multiple cylinders and a cross plane crank, like a slant six from an old muscle car sound good.
Im astonished this sounds like a bigblock carbie V8 when its a 1.3L i4.
No wayyyyy! They did my idea!! That’s so awesome good work boys 👏
EXCELLENT!! You've answered a question I've always had since Yamaha came up with their cross plane engine for their motorcycles. It really does sound like a small V8. I think a change of exhaust tailpipe would really make a difference to the sound 👍
You guys are making science with old Lada platforms never cease to amaze me, pure quality content at finest
Recreating the Yamaha's crossplane crank for Lada engine is a job for mad geniuses
Next time try with a custom made billet crankshaft with full 8 counterweighs to reduce vibrations and NVH levels to the minimum acceptable levels, a custom cam with better profile will help for revving the engine up to stock redline or better performance, test it in a dyno and you can show the results
These videos are fun and educational at best, keep this great work
I have been wanting to see this for a very long time! thanks fella's. excellent video!
YES! THIS IS IT! THE ONE I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR! OUTSTANDING WORK!!
потрясающе
Same here!
Much respect for the upload fellas, awesome work, very enjoyable, thank you!
And thanks BMI Russian for the voice over and translation, big love from the UK.
I love the sound of a cross-plane engine, always sounds so much meatier than a flat-plane
Not always but yes on a 4 cylinder I agree
@@sc1338Ford flat plane v8 sounds like a brap brap car
Seriously, i cannot thank you enough for doing this! Please do more videos of it driving.
Give it a straight pipe exhaust
So a 4 cylinder sounds like a v8 and a v8 in the same configuration sounds like a 4 cylinder😂 Absolutely love you guys. The creativity and the talent you all have that goes into all of this fun stuff is amazing👋👍. Greetings From Norway😊
It sounds like a normal 4 pot that doesn't have an exhaust.
@@v4skunk739no, nowhere near that
@@v4skunk739 Then you're definitely tone deaf.
Hell yes! Lets find out!
I think I would be awesome to take this to the next level. Next time have a machine shop do the cutting and balancing anything out. Then put it to a long term test!
You CANNoT say someone who can make a custom crank and cam and distributor isn’t a ‘machine shop’
Plenty of ‘machine shops’ can’t even get stock engines to work right first try.
I guess I’m referring to an extremely advanced machine shop that can truly balance cranks, use dial micrometers to clock and rotate the cams and crank shaft. Basically actually build the engine like they were factory or aftermarket parts that are perfectly clocked and balanced. I love that they do stuff like this. But taking a flat plane crank to a cross plane with no adjustments to the counter weights on the crank is going to cause huge vibrations, like what broke the bell housing. It would be super cool to see a “built” cross plane Lada engine that they could put on dynos and take racing.
@@joesutton3181 there may be easier ways of fixing the broken bellhousing issue, such as using a gearbox for a larger engine, using longer bolts and a reinforcing steel frame, using a dual mass flywheel from a tdi etc.
My first thought listening to the intro pitch was thinking a custom ground crank and cam then saw the rapid prototyping and loved the solution it might not last for 100’s of Km but works for the proof of concept
The reason yamaha used the crossplane in the r6 was to change the firing spacing. Normally, the spacing is even but with the crossplane you get 2 cylinders firing in quick succesion then a breif pause the idea was the 2 quick pulses would accelerate you out of the corner while the small pauses give the tires a break keeping from exceeding the grip of the tires. Quick edit: This is why the cross plane motors were called big bang motors . The 2 quick power pulses acted as a bigger power pulse.
exactly, except it was the R1 not the R6. It gives the rear tire a chance to keep traction when on the side of the tire. It was used on the M1 yamaha in Motogp, where they get 300 hp out of 1000cc engines, no turbos, bore limit of 78mm and limited fuel and they stlll make insane hp
@@aidanlyons1155 Ithanks for the correction I always make that mistake for some reason
the crossplane in the r1 also eliminates some centrifugal forces that make the bike "pull" to the ground in corners. improves handling a ton
Bro speaking like it takes an eternity for 2 quick succession bangs inside an engine, and that the pause also has any significant time delay to do anything of whatever bullshit he tried to describe.
Where dafuq do these people come from? 😂😂😂
@JohnWiku I mean that was the point of the crossplane if you don't understand physics just say so
Ladas are such a great platform for experimentation.
What if Garage 54 team put All of their successful mod put together in a single project. I believe it will be a masterpiece, good work 👍
Balance shafts would have to be redesigned. Fluidampr would help, and, as mentioned, twin Weber 2-barrel carbs would even out mixture at each cylinder.
Next step is to build a 5 cylinder lada and you will see 😂
They already done 6 cylinder engine in 2021. It running good
I have told them this before, a 5 cylinder diesel Lada with a modernized interior, GPS, fancy dashboard and new paint job. A luxury Lada with 800 km of range. But Garage 54 has to get through other people's requests. :) I don't drive, but if I did, a modernized 1980s Lada with bleeding edge technology and 5 cylinder modified diesel engine inside would be my dream car. Economy cars are the best.
@@thatguyalex2835 they not do ordinary things. Just swap MB or BMW diesel in lada quite common . A lot of Nivas swaped on diesel.
Make 5 cylinder, after they did 6 cylinder and convert to diesel. It will not go 800 even once. Just conversion petrol lada engine in to diesel is already done.
I love the exhaust note!!
The advantage of Yamaha's cross-plane arrangement, as i understand it, is to stack power stokes so traction will break momentarily when traction is near its limit.
This is useful (as feedback) for motorcycle riders as they (we) apply throttle when exiting a turn to accelerate. As the rear tire begins to untermittently slip, the rider can optimally modulate power for the conditions.
It seems to me, this mod would only help in a car; 1) if your engine has enough power to break traction, and 2) the car doesn't have ABS/traction control.
It's a lada, it has both 1) and 2), at least on ice.
I was just going to write that about motorcycles but you've captured it better. It is a bit like a hybrid human machine traction control
Except in a car you have twice the number of tires and the drive train offers more ways to deal with similar issues, other than traction control (I'm not sure how ABS would be relevant here). The feedback you'd get pushing a motorcycle really wouldn't be all that useful in a car and the ones with enough instant power to matter wouldn't be a 4 cylinder anyway.
Excellent work once again, Cheers from Montreal Canada.
This channel diserves a LOT OF MORE VIEWS! Like 1 million per video! This is WAY BETTER THAN the sick wistling diesel channel
What these guys do is frickin awesome, I’ve been floating around the idea of doing basically the same thing to the engine in my ‘94 corolla lol
Sounds like it’s bigger 8cyl brother! So cool, it’s like they v8 swapped a freaking Lada.
AWESOME !!!! Much love from Brazil! Been here since the start of the channel of English started
You guys should start dynoing those lada experiments
I hope you guys keep working with this modification . That engine sounds really friggen cool !!
Awesone! Always impressed by your enginuity, and how nothing is too difficult to try out!
now put a turbo in it and see how far you can push it xD
Great result - That Lada sounded fantastic
Best sounding lada anyone has ever heard
I hope you all stay safe and are able to continue making people's lives a little better. I love your content.
7:53 it looks weird because of the piece of sandpaper glued on to close the hole 🤣🤣
Yamaha does use a balance shaft, and the larger the engine, the greater the forces. I'm impressed, honestly.
15:17 ...ой... what just happened?
The original intent of the cross-plane crank was to create uneven spacing of the power pulses as they made it to the rear wheel, this allowed a small moment for the rear wheel to regain traction in a corner, which increased stability at the cost of engine vibration, which is compensated for by using balancing shafts
Petition for the translator to say "sus" instead of "suspect"
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I love how every other UA-cam channel talks about this in theory but you guys build it and prove it.
Why do you hate and abuse Ladas so much?😭
I think: they are just the nearest thing to hand when they start to get the feelin' =p
they don't hqte them. they just know them really well, they're extremely common , easy to find, easy to work on and just overall easy cars
Not to mention how cheap they are, In my country you can literally buy one for 200 euros @@AnItalianGuyOnYT
@@Pavlos_Charalambousу нас сейчас даже "классика" (так мы называем Лады с классическим расположением агрегатов) стали стоить под 1000 долларов. Т. К. дрифтеры их скупают и уничтожают в своих развлечениях😂
Oh, i know why!
This is the best video that I have been waiting for and commented on most of your videos to convert a flatplane to crossplane ❤❤❤❤❤ Love your work... I learn a lot from you guys❤❤❤❤
Badass. That's why i love Garage54 these dudes kick ass. .. ive not missed an episode yet... I've wanted to do this to a Honda B16 motor for ever. Too cool. It makes it half an American V8 and basically running as 2 V twins connected... Kinda like a Triumph or Xs650 with a 277* crank mod. Real cool
A long anticipated episode and one after my own heart. Still cant beleive the welding skill of these guys, Lada must use forged steel (ie not cast iron) in thier cranks for this one to even survive being cranked to life (after chop and weld), let alone the lumpty dump torsional vibration it is subjected to with this firing order. One question answered here is how much low rpm idle vibration there is in a X-plane 4 without balance shafts. Best episode yet and many thanks for playing out a dream.
In a dedicated production car all issues would be solved using a 270 degree crank boxer 4 layout, and sticking to a heavily built manual FWD transmission. There's absolutely no advantage to be held in this power dynamic accept acceleration and that head turning sound.
I’m am very impressed by the engineering in your recent videos
I just commented asking for this a couple weeks ago. Great work guys!
This dude is nuts, the great and amazing things done to a Lada are just amazing. Please keep it up!
Very cool sounds from an in-line 4! I’m into American V8s and the sound. Cross plane cranks rule!
Definitely more time tuning could make that engine peek and a viable mod for Lada. Also, could you try this modification on a diesel Lada to see if anything different happens
Finally! Been waiting for this for years ❤ (A four cylinder with 90 degree crank will sound similar to a V8 due to the uneven firing order creating that epic beat)
Best project so far
Thank you for finally doing this video Garage54
Sending love from South Africa❤
I was thinking of doing this on an old Honda EL engine (1982). Nice work!
I love how you just do things..
Watching you weld those shafts in place was inspiring 😅
When a mechanic retires to be an engineer. Love this show with its concepts, r&d, construction. Always an adventure 😁
This is one of the biggest questions about so many engines of all kinds- basically, changing out the parts you need to in order to change the firing order- very cool video. You guys are great- you do all the craziest stuff and it so neat to see the documentation of it!
Did you guys use the stock headers? I have been working as I watched and I skipped back through a bit to see if I'd missed that part but couldn't figure out if you did. If you made custom headers that changed the lengths to match the new firing order so that they phase up just right you could probably get an even better sound and/or more power.
This likely seems like a minor project to most folks but this is actually one of my favorite videos you've made- this is very impressive! I think it's neat to see that you almost always use the same engine to compare things- gives a solid baseline for comparing. That said, I'd also love to see you guys do things like this with other Engines too. You will have my attention either way! Thanks again!
This is really sweet as well as the work put into thinking this all out, well thought out and it worked .
As I understand it, the Crossplane engine was designed with the concept that, on a motorcycle, there is a long section with no firing which allows the back tyre to regain grip so the bike handles better at racing speeds
Sounds incredible. Would be great to do this to a beat up Mazda 3 or a Civic
Garage 54! You guys, are gangster! Very talented and knowledgeable!
Sounds great! That you pulled this off is amazing!
sounds like a overgrown subaru engine Sparks @16:22 hahahah good work!
By far the best mod you guys have done
this is my older request! thanks man for doing it! i love you!
Yes boys giving the subscribers what they asked for ...epic 💪❤
This needs revisiting for more testing! As far as balance I would look at how V8 cranks are designed and loose the counter weights on number 2 and 3 or even the 4 -71 Detroit diesel cranks as they're crossplane too but double counter weight the outer cylinders. High speed lada drifting with V8 sound!
That's an incredible job, if you can balance the crankshaft and the camshaft, and equipped with individual carburetors, that engine will blow up for sure (in a good way) the sound is amazing ❤