That is seriously awesome once the motor gets to a certain rpm, at least on my computer screen, it starts to synchronize its vibration to the refresh rate of my monitor and looks almost completely still. Also nobody thinks you don't know what your doing, your videos are the great experiments that most with a mind for these mechanics, could only dream or wish of accomplishing. Love this channel, I appreciate it being English dubbed!
Imagine building it to withstand that rpm you are talking about and then building the car and transmission around the engine. So it’s always constantly at that engine rpm but you control the speed with a clutch and gears hahahhaa
Carburettor is sized to only feed one cylinder's demand at a time. Having all 4 sucking at once makes the carbs too small. One on each cylinder would be a great test.
Not just the carb, the whole intake was only designed to feed one cylinder at a time. Same with the exhaust manifold and pipe, only designed to expel one cylinder at a time.
This, loose the exhaust manifold do four straight pipes, and the same with the intake with a carb for each cylinder. Also adding another clutch plate to the front to act as a fly wheel, this would smooth it out and lower the idle rpm.
Still being a 4-stroke, it seems to me it makes perfect sense it has no torque--the engine has to rely strictly on momentum for 1.5 out of 2 rotations of the crankshaft. With the presumably-undersized carb, it may as well be a 4cyl running on just one cylinder. I'm amazed it ran at all, at least without revving the piss out of it lol. Easily one of the most creative channels I've encountered. Always excited to see what they come up with!
Ive seen already a wisconsin engine that had two pistons popping up and down simultaneously, never seen it run but i know it existed. I should add too that it had different timing for each cylinder, so they didnt fire simultaneously, the pistons just moved simultaneously
I think this is due to all cylinders pulling in air at the same time, when all of the valves close the at the same time that air hits a brick wall and has to go back out the intake through the carb.
@@nilssjoberg2522 yes, same thing lawnmowers do with the air filter off. You will see fuel spraying back out the carb a little bit with high speed camera.
You need more carb! The cylinders are all fighting for the same air and fuel at the same time, then the valves all shut at the same time and causes reversion. Fuel injection would be better.
Lawnmowers that do this is from crankcase pressures, is why most used oil out of em smells like gas. Excess will blow by the rings and create pressure in the case which will vent off back into the carb. I think excess gas in the carb is because of efficiency or lack thereof. Fuel injection would blow by and feed out exhaust if pressure got high without any pcv system.. but i dont fully understand how egr systems work as with pcv systems so i could be completely wrong.. good learning point tho..
It needs separate exhaust per cylinder since the pipe size is designed for each cylinder to push out exhaust separately, one cylinder after another. If the exhaust is not separated, it would need 4 times bigger pipe to get similar restriction as stock.
Technically the stroke is when each operation of the piston occurs. A one stroke would have intake, power, compression and exhaust in 1 movement of the piston which isn't possible. The closest is this ua-cam.com/video/ceyQvUldiBk/v-deo.html imo at that isn't 1 stroke
@@cudwieser3952 you can actually build an engine that has the intake, compresion, power and exhaust in a single motion. it's called a turbine. pistons need at least 2 strokes to work.
your channel really showcases the fact that even though we come from different worlds, we are not so different. I enjoy seeing this kind of content and the way you present it gives me some nostalic feelings of some of my favorite silly television shows tinkering and inventing outlandish things with junk. I hope we could all one day focus on the things we have in common rather than our differences and work together for a greater future of mankind, and maybe in some small way these glimpses into what makes us all human you provide in your show can help bring us all together!
You will need a massive fly wheel to keep the engine momentum on the intake and exhaust cycles. Also each cylinder needs to have its own carburetor to compensate for every cylding asking for fuel and air on the same stoke. There is no torque due to a majority of power being used to turn the engine to the next firing cycle. With a heavy fly wheel turning the engine through the no power stoke and carbs on each cylinder you may have something.
@@olekdah you have 4x more friction and 4x more compression to overcome after all that friction, that's why a larger flywheel would help. I don't think I have to explain the other point he made about the carb being half powered right?
@@olekdah Then explain how a 4 cylinder 4 stroke engine where it normally fires pistons 1 and 4 on first stroke , then 2 and 3 on third stroke, being made to fire all 4 on the same stroke is not doubling the required volume of fuel and air from the carburetor?
@@olekdah yes I do still think you're a troll because you're completely ignoring the context, this is no longer functioning as it would a normal 4 cylinder 4 stroke. It is a 4 stroke still but it does not fire twice within one full cycle. It only fires once, all at the same time, therefore the carb is a choke point as all four cylinders are demanding fuel and air at the same time vs only two every half cycle. It's like you didn't even watch the video you just go around and comment about how you know about engines. Random people online are not who you should seek approval from.
I came here purely to find this comment as it's exactly what I thought when they put that in the thumb nail. For someone with so much tech expertise, making a mistake like that surprised me!
We need a part two, with this car having a HUGE carburator, a HUGE exhaust, and a little adjust in the valve timing, and, I guess it would be the torque moster we are all waiting it to be. (and maybe some surprises)
What is so great about these guys they are doing all the crazy stuff the rest of us have or may have thought about doing. But did not have the time, money or resources to do it! Thank you for this great entertainment! 🤠
I feel like the camshaft profile might have something to do with the lack of power. It is somewhat crude, though it's very impressive that it even runs and stayed in one piece!
Yup, that's exactly the reason! A ton of airflow needed (so a lot of vacuum) at the power stroke, but carby can only provide 1/4 of that, since it's only designed to feed one cylinder at a time
Here’s the thing. It will easily make more power if the exhaust pipe is either removed or replaced with a straight pipe exhaust as there is way less restricted air flow from the exhaust stroke
I saw that crankshaft welding video. You got some real skills on the welder. Impressive. Not everyone can successfully weld with that level of accuracy. Good job
Y'all are some crazy Russians but I love it. Never heard of anyone intentionally setting up an engine as such. A lot of work went into it and I appreciate the efforts. I will continue to watch your videos.
@@joelaw728 its effectively one large piston though the carb is undersized and it would require a larger volume of fuel and air to run properly and a larger crank to maintain momentum
The crank welding was the most impressive, getting all four to move as one. It wouldn't have taken much to reprofile the cam and get 2 cylinders to fire alternately. Giving a power stroke every 360. Just like a double fiat 500 engine.
Ikr? When it comes to manipulating the automobile, they do stuff that we wouldn’t dare waste our money, time, or risk our lives on. But at least, through them we get to see what exactly WOULD happen if you did.
For decades there is a reason why these were never built, they don’t work for crap. As an experiment it was interesting, but the outcome was already known by anyone that has worked with engines.
Something was lost in translation, proven at 8:50 when Vlad say he doesn't recall a single cylinder 4 stroke, whereas that may be the most common engine ever built. From your lawnmower to ATV these are everywhere. This modified engine remains a 4-stroke. At any rate, this is very entertaining and I laughed until my face hurt once it was running!
At first I was wondering wth they were talking about with the title in this video. Once Vlad started talking it made sense, but that title..... edit: just a thought to add to what the original comment said, a 1 cylinder 4 stroke engine might also be the first gas engine that many people were exposed to back in the day via stuff like old generators and even providing the tumbling/turning movement in old clothes dryers.
17:42 the reason is they fire at once, and there's time before they do again, and at that point, the engine doesn't produce power, and so it has a good time to stall.
Carburator is for each cylinder individually, needs one big enough to feed all 4 cylinders at once or 4 individual ones. Also needs a huge flywheel for the inertia to keep it going like an old hit and miss engine.
Well thats pretty impressive or something. Really great free hand welding on those crank and the cam. Being an old motorcyclist I have seen numerous single cylinder bike up to 600 cc. I suspect the less than amazing performance could be helped out by a bigger carb and a plenum chamber. No way the stock carb is going to handle this well since it only has the same intake time as a single cylinder as before. If I ever want to do something terrible to an engine but still have it run, I have found my guys.
make a cross plane crank lada engine next, it amazes me how resilient that little engine is; being cut in half, welded to no reognition, crank and cam welded and it still drives!? awesome content guys! :D
My guess for the lack of torque in general... on an inline 4, you have the 4 firing events clocked 180 degrees for 2 rotations of the crank. On that, you've got 1 firing event per 2 rotations. So you *may* have the same torque but it's coming out in 1 huge pulse while the rest of that 720 degree cycle will have none.
Not only is it in one huge pulse, but the entire second rotation is operating on momentum. I'm wondering how it would be if you kept the same crankshaft, but changed the cam and ignition to fire alternating pairs of cylinders (i.e., 1&3, 2&4).
Theoretically if they had a flywheel opposing the weight neutralising the imbalance then I think it would be driveable, but let’s not forget the camshafts are also out of balance, it’s just horrible to think about what that poor engine is going through 🤕
Wouldn't the exhaust be a real problem too? All four cylinders trying to cram out the air at the same time? Probably would do a lot better straight with no manifold.
I think the same. One carburetor is enough for four cylinders, but at the old setup, only one cylinder needed the fuel at once. But now all four cylinders need the fuel in the same time, so that carburetor can not deliver enought fuel-air mixture!
New Merch idea: I love my shirt that says, “Enough talk, let’s do this!” But now I need a shirt that says, “I don’t know what I’m doing, but everything’s okay.”
Actually, they changed the meaning a bit translating from Russian to English. He really said: "I anticipate they're gonna say (in the comment section): "he understands nothing", but don't worry that's ok, I'm sure many mechanics will be interested in figuring out how it works too". He meant it was very special knowledge and lots of mechanics who worked with this engine didn't know it too.
@@maratbabayan9332 Good insight, brother. Thanks for the translation, it makes sense given what they were working with. Drawing from my own experiences working with engines… well, I’m way more like BMI’s translation! As an amateur, I usually have no idea what I’m doing. But with a wrench, a manual, and the confidence these vids give me… I know I’ll get it running eventually.
You need a heavier fly wheel to carrier the momentum through to the intake stroke. compression stroke the ignition stroke then the exhaust stroke see in single cylinder engine you need a heavier fly wheel to convert the rotating momentum to torque , the fly wheel then ads in helping through the three non power strokes . it is easier to slow down a plastic wheal than a metal wheel of same size because the plastic wheel has less mass. In short make the fly wheel heavier old big bore engine all have massive fly wheels!!!!!! You have a big bore in theory when they fire all at the same time.hop this helps
Guys you are the BEST !!!! listen up, I do not have a workshop and funds to try to make a 12 cylinder engine 4x3 at 120 degrees, if you manage to do that I believe you will get somewhere, of course every 4 piston firing at the same time but on 120 degrees each bank of 4 !!! you are the only one that can do it, then I will buy the engine !!! thanks
I love how the engine vibrations keep going in sync with the frame rate, it seems to just be floating around. Can you try flipping the cam timing for two of the cylinders around? So that it fires two, then fires two on the next revolution. It'd probably sound really interesting.
Your videos remind me of when I was younger and I would "modify" my toys to see what happens (they would all break). Great stuff and the narrator is an integral character too.
Fellas, you'd have had more success if you gone for a two-by-two cylinder conversion. One problem you have overlooked in this version, is that the carb is calculated to feed one cylinder at a time, not four at once. One carb per cylinder might be more successful, but it'll never run smooth. I'd take the two-by-two option any day.
Kind of.... 2x2 would be alot better... but....The carburetor is calculating fuel per air volume. It may be underrated for the peak air flow at revs but it will still be aiming for the same air fuel ratio regardless of number of cylinders. There may also be some preference in manifold flow that starves the end cylinders of air fuel volume comparative to the center cylinders. The main issue that your 2x2 idea would solve is the lack of inertia the 1x4 system has. The lack of inertia means the spark timing had to be retarded and as such a lack of good flame front would have hindered max rpm. With a 2x2 system the flame front can be a bit more advanced as the inertia will carry it past tdc allow a more successful power stroke due to a more health flame front. Generally it takes about 6ms for a flame kernel to propagate to useful power stroke so spark fires 15-40' before tdc. When this is done counter rotation forces are applied to the crankshaft at about 20% of the power strokes force. The other cylinders and stored inertia in the fly wheel over come this and compress it to be store as potential energy in the compressed gas until the cylinder passes TDC where it assists in the power stroke. But with all the cylinders firing at the same time the counter rotation force is too high and wants to stall the engine, or slows it enough that usable power stroke has already been mostly expended. A very aggressive centrifugal advance may assist this as the low speed low inertia timing could be very retarded but at higher speed the timing could advanced more than usual to counter the initial retarded timing to aim for gradiant to 30btdc at 3500rpm.
i was thinking about that. Maybe if they used forced induction and injectors it would open up possibilities for it actually make some tourqe?? i don't know, just thinking out loud
@@shanewilson3653 whilst that may be true, the fact remains that for this to run, the carb and intake (before the 4 branches) needs to be around 4x larger. The fuel ratio may not be out of tune, but the maximum flow is nowhere near what it needs to be. Wide open throttle is barely giving each cylinder 25%, even without flow starvation. The vacuum advance on the distributor is no doubt incorrect too! Exhaust has a similar issue, back pressure must be immense!
@@jakubukleja2553 true, it'd need a relatively heavy flywheel to keep the spin happening. an option would be a twin firing super thumper, firing 1+3 and 2+4 alternating. crankshaft is already there, cam needs a redo. it'll still be a jackhammer, but might actually run up some rpm with torque
It work with just one carb too if that'd be easier. The old 360 degree crank twins from English motorcycles can work with just one carb because even though they both go up and down together only one is sucking at a time. Very bad engine balance. I didn't watch the entire video, just noticed typing this they didn't set it up were each piston is doing a different stroke of the cycle. That'd of been better. All moving at once but doing one of the four strokes each. That's how the old British twins are I mentioned already. This is basically running like a single, not smooth at all.
Looking at the way the engine vibrates I can imagine Rolls-Royce engineers looking at this and face-palming themselves (for those who don't know, RR engines are said to be so smooth that you can balance a coin on top of them when running and it won't topple over).
every engine with natural balance is infinitly balanced, for example i6 engines or v12 engines are all by there nature naturally balanced, so a 2jz or nissan skyline or bmw e36/46 all have perfectly smooth running engines with no vibrations except from rocking left and right when pressing the gas from the torque (which every engine has)
I've really just got to take my hat off to this one....the relatively slap stick method of the simplest way is the way to do it is really next level on this build, awesome content👌👌
I did think the exh manifold would be choking at the massive rush of air at once. I reckon the cam was not spot on or the valves didn't close fully causing backflow through the carb. Interesting video tho
I think if you guys work on timing and make the cam shaft more accurate, I think this will work very well. (Your intake valves seem to be open during your compression stroke )
Refine your cam shaft and give each cylinder a separate exhaust. The stock firing order pushes exhaust out one at a time. If the exhaust of all cylinders is pushing through at the same time, the cylinders may be putting pressure on each other, preventing efficient flow unless they are separated.
I was thinking same thing with the exhaust. Most cams have a little bit of overlap and that's a lot of exhaust back pressure bouncing back from the restricted manifold designed for separate pulses.
Agreed. I'd go for a single electric motor and rock one of those industrial ac unit motors welded directly to the transmission. If an old Honda can drive with 80hp a Lada can haul ass with an ac motor. Lol
Damn I'm only 5 minutes into the video and already I see so many problems and solutions popping up in my head. This is genius. You guys are basically scientist's. You have a theory and your experimenting to prove it true or false. Don't forget some vodka when you go on break.
This is weird. The starter might have worked at 24v. You hook two batteries together for the starter terminal. What year was the red Vaz? It looks really rust free.
@@footprint_594 Old or over-discharged battery's need a parallel to output cranking current. Adding a second battery in series straight to the starter will just make more RPM. Help's with a really troubled engine if you don't want to bump start it.
@@mackenzienikula3231 it makes more amps and volts. I know it sounds odd but doubling the voltage to a brushed motor will quadruple the wattage. It has twice the voltage for the same winding resistance therefore doubles the amperage.
Seeing as how everything is firing at once it might need more fuel and air than the carburetter wants to give it because it’s filling the chambers all at the same time rather than one right after another
The quality of the welds on the crank are absolutely unbelievable! That's some serious abuse having all the pistons hammering and still not fracturing the weld.
The spark system works like a waterhammer. As soon as contact is broken in a flowing circuit, the electricity sees a HUGE voltage spike. Just like shutting off a flowing hose will cause a huge pressure spike as all that water is forced to slow down nearly instantly.
It seems to be a great start to put the engine to work the sane admission and exhaust time for pistons 1-4 and 3-2. Just need to change the camshaft. And the engine wil be balanced
I can only think of one statement made by a great man... "Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!” God Bless Lloyd and Harry. And God Bless Garage 54.
You guys are the best! I love how you will try anything automotive. Keep up the good work! People don't realize what it took to make all that happen in one stroke.
Next project should be a V8 or V6 with the pistons in each cylinder bank welded like this, then each cylinder bank opposing the other being on the opposite side of the crank.
This is seriously one of my fave car related UA-cam creators. Even though it’s a lot of stupid-ass shit, I’m impressed with what these guys come up with. Love this channel
Need to separate the intake and exhaust so they aren't fighting each other. You've got four cylinders pumping exhaust into an area designed to take two cylinders worth at a time.
Actually only one at a time the other piston is coming up on compression when one is coming up on exhaust then the crank rotates 180 degrees and repeats. The two inner pistons come together then the two outer ones. They alternate with one is firing.
@@routtookc8064 flywheels are pretty heavy, in there 5 fly wheel video it struggled to start but with a small amount of extra weight the current unbalanced crank should be able to keep running with the momentum
I watch this video and I think to myself: "But why tho?". At the same time I still wanna find out what it runs like despite guessing it already. We are just men here and they make great content for us.
Bolt the 5 flywheels to it. I'm still trying to work out the o's to bolt on a massive balance weight on though, your going to need like a whole flywheel weight in just 45 o's, you will no doubt need as much weight on the front pully to. I'm going to guess of the top of my head put all the weight at about 170 0's
You guys are amazing. You keep doing the cool stuff we all think but never talk about. It just seems impossible but everytime you guys somehow make it work. Incredible, keep going :D
You guys need to redo this and try and refine it. I've always wanted to try to get 2 out of the 4 cylinders to fire at the same time and see how that would work, this is similar.
@@MrSleepProductionsInc Not really, boxer engines still only fire one at time. Back in the day MotoGP races used a big bang style engine, basically a v4 motorcycle engine that fires two cylinders at the same time.
The smoothest engine in the entire soviet union
Hahaha!!
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The smoothest one was the diesel version! Huehueheue
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Lol
Can we recognize how these guys are insanely skilled at everything
@Auto Burn they could do it
Well. . . . If it ain't broke. . . Don't fix it
They could modify it to run on steam also, does'nt mean that they should
Using origional gas tank for water storage, back seat would hold the boiler. . . And just think how warm the driver would be no need for a heater!!!
@@jeremymaas8464 they already did that some time ago
Man, Rolls-Royce could only dream of an engine as smooth as this.
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still smoother than a subaru
@@lostonlongisland6845nah
It's perfect Engine 4 the Vibratory-Rollers !!! 😀
That is seriously awesome once the motor gets to a certain rpm, at least on my computer screen, it starts to synchronize its vibration to the refresh rate of my monitor and looks almost completely still. Also nobody thinks you don't know what your doing, your videos are the great experiments that most with a mind for these mechanics, could only dream or wish of accomplishing. Love this channel, I appreciate it being English dubbed!
it's alive this monster is alive run for it
Imagine building it to withstand that rpm you are talking about and then building the car and transmission around the engine. So it’s always constantly at that engine rpm but you control the speed with a clutch and gears hahahhaa
Carburettor is sized to only feed one cylinder's demand at a time. Having all 4 sucking at once makes the carbs too small. One on each cylinder would be a great test.
yes! this makes a lot of sense
This is the most likely explanation.
Not just the carb, the whole intake was only designed to feed one cylinder at a time. Same with the exhaust manifold and pipe, only designed to expel one cylinder at a time.
This, loose the exhaust manifold do four straight pipes, and the same with the intake with a carb for each cylinder. Also adding another clutch plate to the front to act as a fly wheel, this would smooth it out and lower the idle rpm.
@@jason86768 more tru also the exhaust and intake . can it push all the air out from all 4 same time or do ½-2/3 stay ?
Still being a 4-stroke, it seems to me it makes perfect sense it has no torque--the engine has to rely strictly on momentum for 1.5 out of 2 rotations of the crankshaft. With the presumably-undersized carb, it may as well be a 4cyl running on just one cylinder. I'm amazed it ran at all, at least without revving the piss out of it lol.
Easily one of the most creative channels I've encountered. Always excited to see what they come up with!
Ive seen already a wisconsin engine that had two pistons popping up and down simultaneously, never seen it run but i know it existed. I should add too that it had different timing for each cylinder, so they didnt fire simultaneously, the pistons just moved simultaneously
Parallel twin
Actually, it shouldn't be much different than a single-cylinder engine with equal displacement. I would think that it would considerable vibration.
@@wolfietigerstripes3248 like almost every classic British twin engine.
How do you think a single cylinder motor works lol
Looks like cam timing may have some issues, or one cylinder is breathing backwards. I see a lot of fuel blowing back out the carb.
Hilarious idea!
This would be a good project for the $50 AMC eagle
I think this is due to all cylinders pulling in air at the same time, when all of the valves close the at the same time that air hits a brick wall and has to go back out the intake through the carb.
@@nilssjoberg2522 yes, same thing lawnmowers do with the air filter off. You will see fuel spraying back out the carb a little bit with high speed camera.
You need more carb! The cylinders are all fighting for the same air and fuel at the same time, then the valves all shut at the same time and causes reversion. Fuel injection would be better.
Lawnmowers that do this is from crankcase pressures, is why most used oil out of em smells like gas. Excess will blow by the rings and create pressure in the case which will vent off back into the carb. I think excess gas in the carb is because of efficiency or lack thereof. Fuel injection would blow by and feed out exhaust if pressure got high without any pcv system.. but i dont fully understand how egr systems work as with pcv systems so i could be completely wrong.. good learning point tho..
The fact the home made crank shaft is doing its job and it runs blows my gash dang mind. Unreal fellas!!
You should take the car to an unsuspecting garage and ask them to find out why my engine is vibrating so much.
Yes!!!!
Customer states : Engine vibrating too much!! 😂
That would be hilarious 🤣
Omg. Yes! Do this!
This is a fantastic idea.
Give it a 4 barrel carb and spray it with nitrous. This has been the best experiment in a while, and you guys have done some good ones
Yes! :) done it in my V8.
It needs separate exhaust per cylinder since the pipe size is designed for each cylinder to push out exhaust separately, one cylinder after another. If the exhaust is not separated, it would need 4 times bigger pipe to get similar restriction as stock.
@@jjhack3r imagine how much back pressure there is in it.
@@jjhack3r may also be a little lean as well carb feeding four at once
It’ll be a torque monster
I think this would be called a parallel quad engine, a one stroke would need a firing stroke in both directions
Technically the stroke is when each operation of the piston occurs. A one stroke would have intake, power, compression and exhaust in 1 movement of the piston which isn't possible. The closest is this ua-cam.com/video/ceyQvUldiBk/v-deo.html imo at that isn't 1 stroke
Exactly.
@@cudwieser3952 you can actually build an engine that has the intake, compresion, power and exhaust in a single motion.
it's called a turbine. pistons need at least 2 strokes to work.
@@anonym3017 True, but to split a hair turbines don't reciprocate and use strokes. That said the wankle would meet your definition.
@@anonym3017 yes you can make 1 stroke piston engine if it runs on steam its possible steam engines have double acting pistons
your channel really showcases the fact that even though we come from different worlds, we are not so different. I enjoy seeing this kind of content and the way you present it gives me some nostalic feelings of some of my favorite silly television shows tinkering and inventing outlandish things with junk. I hope we could all one day focus on the things we have in common rather than our differences and work together for a greater future of mankind, and maybe in some small way these glimpses into what makes us all human you provide in your show can help bring us all together!
your car is broken🤣🤣
You will need a massive fly wheel to keep the engine momentum on the intake and exhaust cycles. Also each cylinder needs to have its own carburetor to compensate for every cylding asking for fuel and air on the same stoke. There is no torque due to a majority of power being used to turn the engine to the next firing cycle. With a heavy fly wheel turning the engine through the no power stoke and carbs on each cylinder you may have something.
Exactly! I would think of this engine as one of those single cylinder giants back when oil its self was used for power generation
@@olekdah you have 4x more friction and 4x more compression to overcome after all that friction, that's why a larger flywheel would help. I don't think I have to explain the other point he made about the carb being half powered right?
@@olekdah troll
@@olekdah Then explain how a 4 cylinder 4 stroke engine where it normally fires pistons 1 and 4 on first stroke , then 2 and 3 on third stroke, being made to fire all 4 on the same stroke is not doubling the required volume of fuel and air from the carburetor?
@@olekdah yes I do still think you're a troll because you're completely ignoring the context, this is no longer functioning as it would a normal 4 cylinder 4 stroke. It is a 4 stroke still but it does not fire twice within one full cycle. It only fires once, all at the same time, therefore the carb is a choke point as all four cylinders are demanding fuel and air at the same time vs only two every half cycle. It's like you didn't even watch the video you just go around and comment about how you know about engines. Random people online are not who you should seek approval from.
"it works perfectly fine." Engine: screaming in agony
"kilLLLLL MEEEeeee!"
@@skylined5534 Hahahaha
Those are russians
I'm getting a headache watching the poor thing.... I can't imagine being in the car.
I laughed an uncomfortable amount at this
this is still a 4-stroke, it still has intake, comression, ingnition and exhaust, just all cylinders do the it at the same time
Pretty sure they know that.
My thoughts to, it's one whole revolution without firing. So the engine fights against it's own compression? Until the exhaust valves open 🤷🤔🤔
A rocket is one stroke.
your mums a one stroke
I came here purely to find this comment as it's exactly what I thought when they put that in the thumb nail. For someone with so much tech expertise, making a mistake like that surprised me!
You guys are insane. That was pointless and stupid and so much fun to watch. Thank you. Greetings from Ottawa, Canada!
We need a part two, with this car having a HUGE carburator, a HUGE exhaust, and a little adjust in the valve timing, and, I guess it would be the torque moster we are all waiting it to be. (and maybe some surprises)
Haha yeah torque monster
And a bigger flywheel, I'd say
I'd expect the welded crank to give before it generated too much torque lol not sure. Would definitely be interesting to see though!
Put a giant exhaust so loud it will wake up all the neighbors 😂😂😂😂😆
Why would it produce more torque?
Garage 54: "Lets make a quad 1-stroke engine! We don't know what we're doing, but it'll be fun!"
Lada: "Kill me. Please."
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“Put me out of my misery!” Lololo
😅😂😅🤣😅🤣👍 Poor Lada!
You can not kill a lada!
"Later"
What is so great about these guys they are doing all the crazy stuff the rest of us have or may have thought about doing. But did not have the time, money or resources to do it! Thank you for this great entertainment! 🤠
watched this video and literally thought the same thing lol
@@MrHARDtaHANDLE1 everytime a new video drops from them ai think the same thing
Yeah, totally same. Love to see how it would work when its actually done
I can honestly say I have never thought about doing an engine this way.
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I feel like the camshaft profile might have something to do with the lack of power. It is somewhat crude, though it's very impressive that it even runs and stayed in one piece!
they have it all everyone favorite goodies🤣🤣🤣
I think cam as well. Looks like intake valves were leaking on cylinders 2 3 and 4 on the compression stroke.
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Vlad: It runs perfectly fine
Engine: *Generating a massive earthquake and making a car falling apart*
Lmao
"It's spraying gas!"
"I saw that, it's okay, I have a fire extinguisher.."
😳🤦🏼
"fine"
Thats just it's insane slav harbass swag!
@@iamiam8407 spraying gas and kicking ass
Maybe the cfm on the carburetor is inadequate with all cylinders pumping and firing at the same time.
Yes i agree, needs 1 carb per cylinder or twin carbs at least.
Needs a blower!
Yup, that's exactly the reason! A ton of airflow needed (so a lot of vacuum) at the power stroke, but carby can only provide 1/4 of that, since it's only designed to feed one cylinder at a time
@@hojnikb Thats correct, but i feeds two at a time in most 4 inlines.
Here’s the thing.
It will easily make more power if the exhaust pipe is either removed or replaced with a straight pipe exhaust as there is way less restricted air flow from the exhaust stroke
I saw that crankshaft welding video. You got some real skills on the welder. Impressive. Not everyone can successfully weld with that level of accuracy. Good job
jigging is everything.. but I still dont know how that primitive jig set up worked.. yes indeed, skill and intuition are on display.
I _had_ a grandfather who was pretty good at welding
@@paulg444when you're used to working with pig shit, you start getting good.
Amennn 🙂 🙂 🙂
Y'all are some crazy Russians but I love it. Never heard of anyone intentionally setting up an engine as such. A lot of work went into it and I appreciate the efforts. I will continue to watch your videos.
This channel just totally satisfies so many curiosities, any fella who is into machines gets what they are doing.
Machinists, engineers, car enthusiasts, students...
"IT RUNS!!!" "engine making angry washing machine noises"
That's just normal for a Lada. JK
You've effectively and inefficiently just made a 1 cylinder 4-stroke engine. This is equivalent to one giant piston taking 4 strokes.
and it works badly because on 720 ° of crankshaft it receives once all the torque and all the power then nothing for another 720 ° of crankshaft
@@Amin_846 actually it works badly because there's not enough flywheel mass. Plenty of single cylinder 4 stroke engines exist
@@joelaw728 its effectively one large piston though the carb is undersized and it would require a larger volume of fuel and air to run properly and a larger crank to maintain momentum
Do you think they should have added a ballancer at the front of the engine to lower the vibrations and maybe helping with the full engine cycle?
The crank welding was the most impressive, getting all four to move as one. It wouldn't have taken much to reprofile the cam and get 2 cylinders to fire alternately. Giving a power stroke every 360. Just like a double fiat 500 engine.
And we thought regular Ladas were rough! Seriously, well done, lads. Quality engineering.
This is the best “what if” channel on UA-cam! Love these guys 😂
Ikr? When it comes to manipulating the automobile, they do stuff that we wouldn’t dare waste our money, time, or risk our lives on. But at least, through them we get to see what exactly WOULD happen if you did.
These guys are absolute geniuses! For years I've wondered what this engine would be like, and finally someone with the knowledge to do it, does!
For decades there is a reason why these were never built, they don’t work for crap. As an experiment it was interesting, but the outcome was already known by anyone that has worked with engines.
its not actually one stroke its still a 4 stroke engine
@@Videoswithsoarin exactly right, I don’t know where they came up with one stroke.
Basically turned this 4 cylinder into 1 giant single cylinder. 😂
Exactly, it's still 4 strokes.
With a shit ton of valves!
Chevy just released a 10l V8 Race Engine. One Cylinder has almost 1.3l.
@Mathias Ljünd is
Yep. Just a big single cylinder four stroke.
"You don't know what you're doing..." That is exactly the point. When it is done, you will know what you are doing!
"is did a thing, and learned much from it. So is know what is done. Then we can not know what doing next." much is the wisdom of the soviet mechanic.
"In this episode we will modify an lada engine"
Tell me something I don't know
A trabant would be much better
Aaand... it will work.
Something was lost in translation, proven at 8:50 when Vlad say he doesn't recall a single cylinder 4 stroke, whereas that may be the most common engine ever built. From your lawnmower to ATV these are everywhere.
This modified engine remains a 4-stroke.
At any rate, this is very entertaining and I laughed until my face hurt once it was running!
I was about to comment saying that video title is wrong and thats its still a 4 stroke engine, you kinda bet me to it
Its literally just an unbalanced 4 banger XD
At first I was wondering wth they were talking about with the title in this video. Once Vlad started talking it made sense, but that title.....
edit: just a thought to add to what the original comment said, a 1 cylinder 4 stroke engine might also be the first gas engine that many people were exposed to back in the day via stuff like old generators and even providing the tumbling/turning movement in old clothes dryers.
Yeah I saw the title and immediately thought the same thing. I've only ever seen 1 type of "1 stroke" engine and thats a pylon hammer.
"You don't know what you're doing."
That crank looks like it was OEM. Love this channel.
17:42 the reason is they fire at once, and there's time before they do again, and at that point, the engine doesn't produce power, and so it has a good time to stall.
the carb probably doesn't flow enough to feed all cylinders at the same time to make any decent power.
anyway, this is why we love this channel
Carburator is for each cylinder individually, needs one big enough to feed all 4 cylinders at once or 4 individual ones. Also needs a huge flywheel for the inertia to keep it going like an old hit and miss engine.
And possibly a points ignition instead of what looked to be a Hall Effect rotor.
I love the ingenuity of these guys. They are engineers through and through
Also the overalls are FIRE
Drip-54
Well thats pretty impressive or something. Really great free hand welding on those crank and the cam. Being an old motorcyclist I have seen numerous single cylinder bike up to 600 cc. I suspect the less than amazing performance could be helped out by a bigger carb and a plenum chamber. No way the stock carb is going to handle this well since it only has the same intake time as a single cylinder as before. If I ever want to do something terrible to an engine but still have it run, I have found my guys.
We need to see this tested again with 4 carburetors. It could even accelerate good. :D
Even if they are lawnmower carbs like the smal one it will surly be cheapest and u will get millions of views
im not shure but if u even add weigth to fly wheel it would help? Inline 4 engin has ligth fly wheel because it's pretty balance
Yes the carburetor is for 1 cylinder volume - not 4 ... !!!
and make it 2 stroke and skip the vaules, the carb was spitn thats lost power
It has a carburetor per piston
make a cross plane crank lada engine next, it amazes me how resilient that little engine is; being cut in half, welded to no reognition, crank and cam welded and it still drives!? awesome content guys! :D
I’m starting to think these engines are indestructible
@@peterbuckley3877 yes......yes they are. You understand them, and enjoy their brilliance.
My guess for the lack of torque in general... on an inline 4, you have the 4 firing events clocked 180 degrees for 2 rotations of the crank. On that, you've got 1 firing event per 2 rotations. So you *may* have the same torque but it's coming out in 1 huge pulse while the rest of that 720 degree cycle will have none.
Yeah I figured the same. It's like it's running at the equivalent half or quarter the rpm of the normal set up.
Not only is it in one huge pulse, but the entire second rotation is operating on momentum. I'm wondering how it would be if you kept the same crankshaft, but changed the cam and ignition to fire alternating pairs of cylinders (i.e., 1&3, 2&4).
Briggs and Stratton has an engine called the oppesed which is 2 cylinders firing at the same time. It uses a waste spark type system
Theoretically if they had a flywheel opposing the weight neutralising the imbalance then I think it would be driveable, but let’s not forget the camshafts are also out of balance, it’s just horrible to think about what that poor engine is going through 🤕
Wouldn't the exhaust be a real problem too? All four cylinders trying to cram out the air at the same time? Probably would do a lot better straight with no manifold.
The carburetor is designed to feed 1 cylinder at at time, not 4.
This is a great point.
A carb per cylinder then :P
I bet a vacuum gauge on the intake would go nuts and toss its needle.
Yes-yes!
I think the same. One carburetor is enough for four cylinders, but at the old setup, only one cylinder needed the fuel at once. But now all four cylinders need the fuel in the same time, so that carburetor can not deliver enought fuel-air mixture!
New Merch idea: I love my shirt that says, “Enough talk, let’s do this!” But now I need a shirt that says, “I don’t know what I’m doing, but everything’s okay.”
Я не знаю что я делаю, но всё ХОРОШО! 😎👍
"Enough with the chit chat, let's do this!" Much better isn't it
Actually, they changed the meaning a bit translating from Russian to English. He really said: "I anticipate they're gonna say (in the comment section): "he understands nothing", but don't worry that's ok, I'm sure many mechanics will be interested in figuring out how it works too".
He meant it was very special knowledge and lots of mechanics who worked with this engine didn't know it too.
@@maratbabayan9332 Good insight, brother. Thanks for the translation, it makes sense given what they were working with. Drawing from my own experiences working with engines… well, I’m way more like BMI’s translation! As an amateur, I usually have no idea what I’m doing. But with a wrench, a manual, and the confidence these vids give me… I know I’ll get it running eventually.
You need a heavier fly wheel to carrier the momentum through to the intake stroke. compression stroke the ignition stroke then the exhaust stroke see in single cylinder engine you need a heavier fly wheel to convert the rotating momentum to torque , the fly wheel then ads in helping through the three non power strokes . it is easier to slow down a plastic wheal than a metal wheel of same size because the plastic wheel has less mass. In short make the fly wheel heavier old big bore engine all have massive fly wheels!!!!!! You have a big bore in theory when they fire all at the same time.hop this helps
yes... combine the 5 flywheel video with this one...
Yeah, indeed. I thought the same and searched for "fly wheel" in the comments :))
Guys you are the BEST !!!! listen up, I do not have a workshop and funds to try to make a 12 cylinder engine 4x3 at 120 degrees, if you manage to do that I believe you will get somewhere, of course every 4 piston firing at the same time but on 120 degrees each bank of 4 !!! you are the only one that can do it, then I will buy the engine !!! thanks
I love how the engine vibrations keep going in sync with the frame rate, it seems to just be floating around.
Can you try flipping the cam timing for two of the cylinders around? So that it fires two, then fires two on the next revolution. It'd probably sound really interesting.
Your videos remind me of when I was younger and I would "modify" my toys to see what happens (they would all break). Great stuff and the narrator is an integral character too.
I'd like to see thermal imaging on the exhaust to see if all 4 cylinders are actually firing.
Absolutely!!! I don't think all cylinders were lighting off.
That camshaft welding and grinding looked like a nightmare 😂😂😂
@@Nathang2233 honestly didn't look horrible considering the tools used
They are ! Why do you think it’s jumping and shaking everywhere 😂
@@rypdx Rotating mass
2 things that will help this engine a lot: bolt that super-heavy flywheel to it an put an Airfilter or a large pipe (30-40cm long) on the carburator.
Fellas, you'd have had more success if you gone for a two-by-two cylinder conversion. One problem you have overlooked in this version, is that the carb is calculated to feed one cylinder at a time, not four at once. One carb per cylinder might be more successful, but it'll never run smooth. I'd take the two-by-two option any day.
Kind of.... 2x2 would be alot better... but....The carburetor is calculating fuel per air volume. It may be underrated for the peak air flow at revs but it will still be aiming for the same air fuel ratio regardless of number of cylinders. There may also be some preference in manifold flow that starves the end cylinders of air fuel volume comparative to the center cylinders.
The main issue that your 2x2 idea would solve is the lack of inertia the 1x4 system has. The lack of inertia means the spark timing had to be retarded and as such a lack of good flame front would have hindered max rpm. With a 2x2 system the flame front can be a bit more advanced as the inertia will carry it past tdc allow a more successful power stroke due to a more health flame front. Generally it takes about 6ms for a flame kernel to propagate to useful power stroke so spark fires 15-40' before tdc. When this is done counter rotation forces are applied to the crankshaft at about 20% of the power strokes force. The other cylinders and stored inertia in the fly wheel over come this and compress it to be store as potential energy in the compressed gas until the cylinder passes TDC where it assists in the power stroke. But with all the cylinders firing at the same time the counter rotation force is too high and wants to stall the engine, or slows it enough that usable power stroke has already been mostly expended. A very aggressive centrifugal advance may assist this as the low speed low inertia timing could be very retarded but at higher speed the timing could advanced more than usual to counter the initial retarded timing to aim for gradiant to 30btdc at 3500rpm.
i was thinking about that. Maybe if they used forced induction and injectors it would open up possibilities for it actually make some tourqe?? i don't know, just thinking out loud
@@shanewilson3653 whilst that may be true, the fact remains that for this to run, the carb and intake (before the 4 branches) needs to be around 4x larger. The fuel ratio may not be out of tune, but the maximum flow is nowhere near what it needs to be. Wide open throttle is barely giving each cylinder 25%, even without flow starvation. The vacuum advance on the distributor is no doubt incorrect too! Exhaust has a similar issue, back pressure must be immense!
I love how it’s just cut apart with an angle grinder. Makes this channel better
Incredible to see that you got it working, even if it barely puts out any torque.
I have to say, I would love to see the guys develop this engine further, maybe tuning it with bigger carbs etc. to try and make it run better?
You can't make this run better. It behaves like a huge single cylinder engine.
@@jakubukleja2553 true, it'd need a relatively heavy flywheel to keep the spin happening. an option would be a twin firing super thumper, firing 1+3 and 2+4 alternating. crankshaft is already there, cam needs a redo.
it'll still be a jackhammer, but might actually run up some rpm with torque
It work with just one carb too if that'd be easier. The old 360 degree crank twins from English motorcycles can work with just one carb because even though they both go up and down together only one is sucking at a time.
Very bad engine balance.
I didn't watch the entire video, just noticed typing this they didn't set it up were each piston is doing a different stroke of the cycle. That'd of been better. All moving at once but doing one of the four strokes each. That's how the old British twins are I mentioned already.
This is basically running like a single, not smooth at all.
Yes yes yes!! Finally, been asking for a 4 cylinder single thumper for ages, dirt bike style 😁 Thank you @Garage54
Looking at the way the engine vibrates I can imagine Rolls-Royce engineers looking at this and face-palming themselves (for those who don't know, RR engines are said to be so smooth that you can balance a coin on top of them when running and it won't topple over).
This engine shakes enough to sort coins instead
@@BaconEater666lmao💀
every engine with natural balance is infinitly balanced, for example i6 engines or v12 engines are all by there nature naturally balanced, so a 2jz or nissan skyline or bmw e36/46 all have perfectly smooth running engines with no vibrations except from rocking left and right when pressing the gas from the torque (which every engine has)
I was literally thinking about making an engine like this 20 seconds before I scrolled to this video, this is great 😂
Ai read your mind!
I've really just got to take my hat off to this one....the relatively slap stick method of the simplest way is the way to do it is really next level on this build, awesome content👌👌
needs four carbs and separate exhausts.
I did think the exh manifold would be choking at the massive rush of air at once. I reckon the cam was not spot on or the valves didn't close fully causing backflow through the carb. Interesting video tho
Yes! Exactly what I was thinking. Its choking itself when all 4 cylinders are trying to get air and then exhaust it at once with the manifolds it has.
I was thinking about the same thing.
I think if you guys work on timing and make the cam shaft more accurate, I think this will work very well.
(Your intake valves seem to be open during your compression stroke )
I'm impressed that thing runs at all. I expected it to disintegrate itself before even reaching idle.
Refine your cam shaft and give each cylinder a separate exhaust. The stock firing order pushes exhaust out one at a time. If the exhaust of all cylinders is pushing through at the same time, the cylinders may be putting pressure on each other, preventing efficient flow unless they are separated.
I was thinking same thing with the exhaust. Most cams have a little bit of overlap and that's a lot of exhaust back pressure bouncing back from the restricted manifold designed for separate pulses.
@@davisphillips7792 exactly. Also I saw some blow back through the carb, indicating longer duration or to much retard on the intake lobes.
Suggestion: make a electric-Lada using only startermotors attached to the gearbox! Lots of them!!!! TESLADA
Hello Algorithm, this is a good idea, lets push it.
Commenting to boost this idea 🔥
Aggree! 👍🏻
Agreed. I'd go for a single electric motor and rock one of those industrial ac unit motors welded directly to the transmission. If an old Honda can drive with 80hp a Lada can haul ass with an ac motor. Lol
Let's go!!!
You guys are always doing stuff I never realize I want to see. Thank you for your commitment!
Damn I'm only 5 minutes into the video and already I see so many problems and solutions popping up in my head. This is genius. You guys are basically scientist's. You have a theory and your experimenting to prove it true or false. Don't forget some vodka when you go on break.
Garage 54 having a lathe scares me more than 40 years of the towering Soviet nuclear threat ever did
Vlad- we don't know what we are doing
Result: reverse engineering engine using only basic tools and on shoestring budget
Just wait until they get a laser cutter or a CNC machine
This is weird. The starter might have worked at 24v. You hook two batteries together for the starter terminal. What year was the red Vaz? It looks really rust free.
Like the old tucker 48s needed 24v to Start because they modified a helicopter engine
I would think you would need more amps, not voltage. Hook 2 batteries up in parallel.
@@footprint_594 Old or over-discharged battery's need a parallel to output cranking current. Adding a second battery in series straight to the starter will just make more RPM. Help's with a really troubled engine if you don't want to bump start it.
@@mackenzienikula3231 it makes more amps and volts. I know it sounds odd but doubling the voltage to a brushed motor will quadruple the wattage. It has twice the voltage for the same winding resistance therefore doubles the amperage.
Seeing as how everything is firing at once it might need more fuel and air than the carburetter wants to give it because it’s filling the chambers all at the same time rather than one right after another
My thought exactly.
The quality of the welds on the crank are absolutely unbelievable! That's some serious abuse having all the pistons hammering and still not fracturing the weld.
You made it like a “hit and miss” motor. You need a very heavy flywheel to maintain the momentum of the motor rotation during dead strokes.
I thought it sounded just like one of those....who would of thought they would learn something watching Dave TV!!
@@foxxy46213 What does Dave TV have to do with hit and miss engines?
The spark system works like a waterhammer. As soon as contact is broken in a flowing circuit, the electricity sees a HUGE voltage spike.
Just like shutting off a flowing hose will cause a huge pressure spike as all that water is forced to slow down nearly instantly.
I think that's actually a 4 stroke with some serious timing issues 😄 Love it.
the engine is in down time 75% of the time so its only natural to only have 25% of the power, it was great to watch :)
It seems to be a great start to put the engine to work the sane admission and exhaust time for pistons 1-4 and 3-2. Just need to change the camshaft. And the engine wil be balanced
yep, I was dreaming about that as an initial stage too. And maybe a dual carb.
I can only think of one statement made by a great man...
"Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!”
God Bless Lloyd and Harry. And God Bless Garage 54.
Need a bigger carburetor if it's going to be feeding all 4 cylinders at the same time.
Think it need individual carbs per cyl
absolute legends!!!! I also appreciate that you guy show the prosses not just the final product.
You guys are the best! I love how you will try anything automotive. Keep up the good work! People don't realize what it took to make all that happen in one stroke.
OUTSTANDING! That is the strangest exhaust note I have ever heard xD
I salute your creativity and imagination!
It's not even a note, it's pure exhaust HARBASS!!!
Good work Might need extra carburettor or two with all four cylinders drawing mixture in at once. Probably not much getting to 1 and 4.
God I love how the camera shutter periodically synched with the romping of the engine.
You need a larger carburetor. Normally one cylinder is being fed at one time. You are getting 4 cylinders at one time
Next project should be a V8 or V6 with the pistons in each cylinder bank welded like this, then each cylinder bank opposing the other being on the opposite side of the crank.
Incredible! This feels like one of those situations 'Oh man, that's a terrible idea, let's do it!'
This is seriously one of my fave car related UA-cam creators. Even though it’s a lot of stupid-ass shit, I’m impressed with what these guys come up with. Love this channel
Need to separate the intake and exhaust so they aren't fighting each other. You've got four cylinders pumping exhaust into an area designed to take two cylinders worth at a time.
Actually only one at a time the other piston is coming up on compression when one is coming up on exhaust then the crank rotates 180 degrees and repeats. The two inner pistons come together then the two outer ones. They alternate with one is firing.
Also a 4-flywheel-long flywheel (they have one lol) so it can turn through the other 540 degrees of crank rotation without stumbling
Thats one of your best videos Vladimir, keep up the good work, and awesome voice over as always by BMI Russian for us Canadians
Try two flywheels that way it keeps momentum better, still love how crazy u guys are
2? more like 5 right !?
@@routtookc8064 flywheels are pretty heavy, in there 5 fly wheel video it struggled to start but with a small amount of extra weight the current unbalanced crank should be able to keep running with the momentum
I watch this video and I think to myself: "But why tho?". At the same time I still wanna find out what it runs like despite guessing it already. We are just men here and they make great content for us.
Instead of one 4 barrel, how about make an intake manifold so each cylinder has a 1bbl?
Bolt the 5 flywheels to it. I'm still trying to work out the o's to bolt on a massive balance weight on though, your going to need like a whole flywheel weight in just 45 o's, you will no doubt need as much weight on the front pully to. I'm going to guess of the top of my head put all the weight at about 170 0's
You'd need to get more carbs, more exhaust pipes AND a bigger breather hole in the crankcase!
You guys are amazing. You keep doing the cool stuff we all think but never talk about. It just seems impossible but everytime you guys somehow make it work. Incredible, keep going :D
I love how excited Vlad got when it first started!
NOW this is the quality stuff other mediocre channels wish they could be
I don't have anything constructive to add, except...LMAO!!!! Absolutely hilarious as usual guys. Well done!
14:34 "it runs perfectly fine"
The engine: BANG BANG CLACK Shudder BANG
Brilliant experiment, great engineering and great entertainment.
You guys need to redo this and try and refine it. I've always wanted to try to get 2 out of the 4 cylinders to fire at the same time and see how that would work, this is similar.
It’s called a Boxer engine. Porsche and Subaru use them.
@@MrSleepProductionsInc
Not really, boxer engines still only fire one at time.
Back in the day MotoGP races used a big bang style engine, basically a v4 motorcycle engine that fires two cylinders at the same time.
Flatplane crank?