Maybe, I was considering upgrading to a 5800x3d but it was going to cost 600 for the CPU, really questioned the wisdom of sinking serious $ into a EOL platform. At the time a am5 b650 mbd and then new 7600 CPU cost 750 , I ended up going am5 because it was a new platform with options to upgrade in the future and the 5800x3d was the best CPU for am4 and it couldn't be expanded to anything better......
One thing that makes AM4 viable is upgrade to 5800X3D. You don't have to get it right now but its there when you need it. I recently upgraded from a 2600X/5600XT to a 5600 non X Micro Center open box $103 and a used 6700XT 12GB eBay $260 ($290 after shipping+tax). When I need the 5800X3D it will be much cheaper and i will need it, 6 core will be over in two years. I forgot, i added two more stick of RAM for $26 used for 32GB total.
@@Stikkzz I'm on a 3700x, comments like yours make it real tempting to get a 5800x3d. Than again I'm mostly playing csgo and various indie titles atm. I really don't need it, but still I want to XD
I'm on a 2600x($80CAD used) / Rx 5700($170 CAD used) I thought about upgrading to the 5700x($240 CAD) but I think I'll wait until am5 is cheaper in the next few years cause my cpu hasn't been lacking at all in the workload I do
I think going am5 is crazy for gamers... unless you have not budget constrains, am4 should be the only recommended path, most of the money should be spent on the graphics card, no the motherboard or the ram imo
@@IskanderVFX true, thing is though if you're building new buying into AM4 you're kind of buying into a dead end. you're going to have to go AM5 eventually if you ever want to upgrade your cpu, which would mean buying a new mobo and ram anyway. best would be to wait until AM5 prices come down a bit more. though I guess it does depend on your use case, cuz the most recent AM4 cpu's should be good for some years unless you need to have the best of the best or something.
For that price I got the most premium ASUS itx b550 board which already has double premium on it since ASUS "ROG" brand and ITX is also always super expensive
I went through this decision a few months ago. I decided to stay am4 and get a 5800x3d. I also upgraded my old b350 board to an x570, mainly for more m.2 slots and pcie gen 4. I figured I'd let am5 and ddr5 mature a bit. Maybe even skip am5 all together if the 5800x3d ages well. I play at 4k so it should be fine for a few more years.
Of course, one nice thing about the 5800X3D is that you don't really need to upgrade your RAM, even if it's a bit on the slow side, such as 2933 MT/s CL 18 (though you probably do want 32GB). At the end of the day, an AM4 system with a 5800X3D and 32GB of RAM or an AM5 system with a 7600 or 7700X and 32GB of RAM are both excellent options with some pros and cost to go with each. The speed of the RAM you use with a non X3D CPU on AM4 or AM5 would matter more, but as long as you get RAM with a good balance of price and performance for the CPU you're using, a 5700X, 7600, or 7700X are all great value options for a system upgrade, as well as for a new system, right now. While the 5600 is also a great value CPU, I don't mention it because I think that the time has come where a 5700X is likely to offer better value over the next 2-3 years. That being said, the 5600 still gives better value right now in virtually any game, and upgrading again to an 8-core CPU is probably not that hard for most people who are already willing and able to put together their own CPU in the first place.
I have a 3900x Im waiting for the next 900 class cpu that's 3D and doesn't have core parking destroy its performance. Hopefully, the 8900X3D is that. My 3900x is getting long in the tooth though.
I'm having some dilemma thoughts right now. Should I put more money in AM5 and of course get more performance but in reality I'm not going to need the best performance out there as in a year we're going to get another CPUs announcement and it's not going to be as tempting anymore. So I figured I'll probably upgrade 5600x to 5800x3d for the time being and a better ram which is cheap right now. That will of course change once crypto bull run happens again. So probably it's better to spend fraction now and be sorted our for years to come and then upgrade to idk AM6 or so something
Went AM5 back in March. Came from an Intel 6th gen i7. Massive improvements everywhere. Have had 0 stability problems. Boot times have been fast on my Gigabyte board. No complaints and I dont feel like a guinea pig. First AMD build too.
Did nearly exactly the same (6600k --> 7800x3d), with similar experience. Stability was good, but not perfect: For some reason the gigabyte board does not like the trusty GTX 1070, won't boot into BIOS with it and shows VGA problem LED, but otherwise works fine, so ok. Going to replace it with a Sapphire 7900 XT now on sale.
Went AM4 in 2017 with X370 and R7 1700. Upgraded CPU to 5700X last year. That was a very significant improvement for relatively little money (I waited for 5700X to drop in price before buying). So from longevity and upgradability perspective, it was totally worth it. And I'm not in any hurry to jump on AM5. I'll wait for second generation, I think. But prices are an interesting topic. I paid €310 or R7 1700, which is about the same what 7700 costs today. 32 GB of DDR4 cost me €270 back then. I can buy DDR5 today for half that (6000 CL30). But that X370 motherboard was just €130 back then and today, there's no B650 mobos anywhere close to that price. So same class AM5 system today costs about the same as AM4 was back in 2017 (around €650-700). But same class AM4 system is basically half that price (~€340). So yeah, AM4 is great value today.
I built 2 pc's two month ago for my home office/man cave. Cpu: sale 5900x and 5800x3d 225usd each Gpu: used rtx3090 600usd rx5950xt 500usd Mb: 2 used msi b550m pro vdh wifi 120usd Ram: 32gb cl14 100usd 64gb cl16 100usd Cooler: bought 3 peerless assassin 120se last year on sale for 75usd I'll upgrade to am5 in few years when it's more mature and cheaper.
As most of use probably use AM4 for a while, it's not worth the upgrade at the moment...but for those who can afford and doesn't have a PC yet, go ham with AM5.
I went with AM5 as i plan to upgrade my cpu in about 3 years (2 generations after zen4) which i will be able to do. Picked up a higher end X670E board with Gen 5 SSD and Gen 5 PCIe support so i’m set for the future. People look at B650E and X670E like if they were X370 and B350 which is honestly really not case as those boards offered nothing new compared to Intel while also had terrible VRMs for future CPUs. X670E and B650E boards now are pretty much top notch with the best features and VRMs you can have and is going to support anything you throw at them.
@@kerotomas1 I'm planning to wait for affordability for DDR5 and AM5 boards and a much faster CPU (Ryzen 9000). Hopefully I can get 9800X3D for next gen and I have a 4070ti and 5800X3D combo that should last very long for 1440p gaming, might be a bit overkill.
@@CasualG-mer I don't think DDR5 is expensive nowadays at all as i used to buy good B-die DDR4 kits and not the cheap junk and compared to those my DDR5 6000cl30 kit was cheaper. Also i wouldn't expect AM5 boards become more affordable at all as inferior Intel boards cost the exact same as AM5 does. I don't think the 4070Ti with a 192bit 3060 like memory bus and only 12gigs of vram for 800 dollars is good value and good card for multiple years to come at 1440p ultra but to each to their own i guess haha The 5800X3D should be plenty though for most cases :P
The existence of the 5800X3D is proof that AM5 is worthwhile. Coming out on a 5 year old platform and being so competitive with the next was outstanding. I had the 5950X before the X3D was released. I care about gaming perf, but not only gaming perf, so I didn't want to give up my threads for it. Definitely the way to go if you're fine with 8 cores. I already knew I'd be getting the 7950X3D. I'll be good until at least the next EOL lineup on AM5.
If someone is building a new rig and has access to a Microcenter, I found that taking advantage of their bundle deals will allow for an AM5 7700X build that is comparable in cost to an AM4 higher end build. Of course a bundle deal limits your choice of the mobo and ram but the options they offer seem reasonable.
The thing these companies dont like to hear is that you absolutely do not need to upgrade CPU for good 6-7 years if you are just gaming, maybe just replace GPU every 3 years depending on your needs. You could get like ryzen 7600 now with solid MB and high end ryzen x900 or something at the end of AM5 but you don't really need to id you just take more expensive CPU at the beginning.
Upgraded from an i7-7700k platform that I built 6 years ago. Only needed a CPU upgrade since it was starting to bottleneck my RTX 3070 that I bought a year ago on newer game, but of course Intel platform support is laughable at best, shitty at worst so I decided to go for AM5 this time knowing perfectly that in 4-5 years they'll launch the last generation of CPU supported by the AM5 platform, which I'll upgrade too, giving another 5 years of longivity to my system.
Do people often factor reselling your old components into the equation? I'm in the position of choosing between the 5800X3D (drop in upgrade) or spending more and doing a full rework to AM5. I've settled on going the whole hog and moving to AM5 because the way I see it, in a couple of years if I wanted to upgrade my CPU it would be a lot easier to find customers looking for a 7800X3D on a current socket rather than the smaller market for the 5800X3D on a deprecated platform (AM4).
I got a 5800x 3d and decided to lock in to am4 for another 2 or so years due to pricing etc I’ll upgrade when I can get most of the am5 tech for much cheaper and the gains from the Amd 3d CPUs are much better on am5
Same moved from a 2700x to 5800x3d. I think that most people that switched to am5 at the moment are just beta testing like the 1st generation of Ryzen that were miles behind the 2nd
@@poustimou lotta people upgrade due to hype it’s Like iPhone owners upgrading once a year xd I was on a 5600x and moved to the 5800x 3d cos it was the best for gaming and that’s all I use my comp for really
i was gonna build new AM5 build with ryzen 9 7900 with asus b650 rog strix e-f mother board but after these chip and motherboard burning thing i stopped should i go with asus motherboard or i use different motherboard i really want ryzen 7900 cpu build
AM4 is a blessing for gamers on a really tight budget. R5 5600, B450 motherboard and 16GB of ddr4 can be bought new for $250. So if you are at $600 budget(not counting the case, psu, storage, monitor, mouse and keyboard, random meme led lights, etc. ) you have $350 for the gpu. And at $350 especially in the used GPU market you can find much much better deals than at $190, you would be left over with if you get a 7600, b650 mobo and ddr5. Its like RX 6700 or RX 6500xt or RTX 3060 12GB versus RTX 3050. Or a used 2080 ...
I've got a good AM4 motherboard and recently upgraded to 5800x3d with Radeon 6950xt more than happy with gaming performance. No hurry to upgrade to AM5 yet. Probably in couple of years I will.. With all 7800x3d issues that will give enough time those issues to fully resolved.
I went from a 3600 4.5gh 16gb ddr4 3600mhz, to a 7700x stock with 32gb ddr5 6000mhz and it was such a big difference. I would recommend am5 from Microcenter bundles. What sold me is that the 7700x was as fast as the 5800x3d in games and was upgradable in the future to the next 8800x3d if I feel like performance is lagging in the future.
memory and boot problems galore with ddr5, after spending 2 days searching for solutions my system is finally running, the problems do not appear to be motherboard manufacturer specific my MBR (master boot record ) got corrupted but my system would not allow me to access a windows 10 usb - it kept dying after a few seconds. It would show the drives but no boot partitions. It would not acknowledge my boot drive after it was set active and working on other hardware. Boot discs could not access my data drives - tested one at a time. It wouldnt even boot with no peripherals. after a bios update POST got better but still no boot. someone figured out that the usb and onboard video did not play well together so i threw a gpu back in and it booted properly repeatedly, I installed a second DIMM and the MBR was buggered again on reboot. I took out the second DIMM and it has booted fine since then. No idea why these would be affecting the MBR. I had 2x32GB (max allowed per slot) 5200MHz RAM but disabled all XMP and boost options. I recommend people drop their RAM size and speed down to minimum. check the RAM manufacturer "spd latency".
6:05 This point is probably the most relevant for the most people-doubly so for those hobbyists who may want a more production-tier, high core count CPU for things like rendering or PS3 emulation, and upgrading to AM5 8-12+ core may be right out, whereas with an AM4 system they can break the total system performance threshold they need with both higher end CPU and have enough money to also match it in GPU.
The thing is, I feel the 600 series motherboards/platform is heading to be the same thing as the 300 AM4 series motherboards... sure, they support the whole AM4 stack (they did eventually), but as the first gen platform, there were MASSIVE improvements to be had, quirks, missing tech, (stuck on PCIe 3) etc. We saw all of those corrected/implemented on 400, and refined on 500. I did build a B650-based system, and found it to be too quirky. Boot times were outrageous. Returned everything and went 13th gen. Rock solid, stability and refinment of a mature platform. I'm very happy. "Upgrade path" doesn't affect me, as I change system every 2-3 years, so even if I had stuck with AM5, I very likely would've changed motherboard then anyway.
@@Iconic11111 That was my experience though. Plenty of AM5 users have had a problem-free experience, and are happy with their decission. You never know! But then again, maybe that's the point... we should be ABLE to know what to expect from a platform...
@@emp1985 am going for 7600x instead of 13500 only because my purpose is only gaming and 7600x is far more better than 13500 in terms of gaming as i seen on plenty of youtube comparison videos
I had a ten year old 4770k so it didnt make sense for me to go for am4 and for the same price as a am4 pre build I could ordered am5 parts and I am happy with the results and the longevity .
Me too. Sad to see the 4770k retire, because it still packs a punch, even ten years later. It was a truly great CPU. But my motherboard died, so it was time. Let's see if AM5 can last as long.
Sitting here with my reliable Asus Rog Strix B450-F Gaming II board that I bought new for £99 and it's run 2600, 5600x and now 5800X3D perfectly, with an RTX 2060S, 3070 and currently a 3080 + 32GB 3600Mhz RAM. I was going to go AM5 but I'm not until I see what 2nd Gen AM5 is like. I see no point yet not just because of the silly prices but also because of the problems with new tech.
I hesitated a long Time going AM5 but with the RTX4090 i was limiited too much using the 5950x I play FPS@1440p and the 7800x3D with DDR6000c28 is just on another Level in Games like Pubg I buy a lot of second Hand Stuff from my local Shop Hardware that some Cretin wasnt able to run stable like the 32gb gskill6600 for 110$,not much more than good DDR4 b-Die... Since i tune all Timings myself i dont need xmp or Expo Profiles just a few Hours of Research and Testing I also see Upgrades as Education because you learn new Stuff and get in touch with new Technology And i like the smell of new Hardware ^^
Still using the 1800x and I am happy with its performance if I start playing Tarkov again I may upgrade to a 3700x but till then the 1800x is doing just fine for my needs.
I went from 8th gen intel, to AM4 late last year, and am glad i did. I wanted the best AM4 instead of being a AM5 tester for AMD. Next year or year after? maybe i will go with AM5 depending on how it works out, or intel.
I went from an old 4th Gen i7 4770 to a 7700x. The differences are (were) incredible. Though I've been out of the build for 3 months now due to motherboard RMA... Then after testing, NOW the CPU RMA. Can't wait to get it back.
@@deivytrajan You get some hw failures with every brand no matter what lol it's not really a deterrent imo as you'll have failures at some point with whatever you choose to go with so just go with whoever is better for your money. Fanboys are always sad to see when both companies are trading blows with each other I really don't understand it.
@@WyattOShea tbh I am more an Intel fanboy but boy did we get burnt when Sandybridge was launched over a decade ago. AMD MUST do what Intel did then and kick their board partners hard and fund the Recall. Ultimately it's AMD fault and they need to admit it and fund motherboard recalls and shipping in both directions. SandyBridge was a massive success despite its problematic birth. AMD would do well to learn lessons from it.
@@clansome I'm all for getting stuff replaced through warranty tbh as it's bs to buy something brand new and not your fault and to have it be dead quickly or DOA when you get it lol. I also have nothing against intel at all every build I've had except for my last 2 builds had been on intel and I had a generally great experience. Also loved my sandy bridge cpus (2600 and 2600k) :P . They were beasts back in the day.
I think right now a 5800x3d or 5600x is unbeatable in terms of value, and those cpu will remain relevant way beyond currentl chipset or even the next one, slower than the top of the line sure, but if you put price difference into the video card you will still be ahead against going am5
Unless you play video games that are actually CPU heavy and nobody is testing. The Ryzen 5600 can feed a graphics card in an optimized mainstream game, but it doesn't have a potential to do much else.
@JAnx01 i play allot of racing sims and the 5800x3d is a total gamechanger for that use case. I was already on AM4 with R5 3600 + 2070S. So i upgraded to 5800x3d with 7800XT. I think this might last me to AM6 lol. If you build new then go with AM5 though.
I went with AM4 on my first build a month ago. Ryzen 5900X 336$, 32 GB (2x16) 3200 Mhz Teamgroup T-Create Expert RAM 59$, MSi B450-A Max Pro motherboard 79$, the GT 1030 from 2019 new for 79$ back then and 1 Adata 120 GB SSD for about 18$ which I used a bit on my emergency Dell small laptop. 4 x Arctic F12 case fans for around 22$ (pack of 5), 600 Watt PSU I sourced locally, Gamemax Gamma 500 CPU air cooler (120mm fan) sourced locally and the XPG Invader case I sourced locally as well new. You will not regret is since Enlisted uses only 6 cores on this 12C/24T CPU. Since the air cooler can cool this 5900X only down to 3.7 Mhz clockspeed on an 70 Degrees Temperature limit set in the BIOS, any 5+ Ghz AM5 CPU is worthless since they can not be cooled by air anyways to their full performance unless you let them run constantly at Tjunc max temperature which I am doing in no way. So, if your system must run cool then AM4 is the way to go since you get only similar clock speeds on AM5 processors for the same temperature. If you do not care for temperature, obviously let the CPU run all the time on Tjunc max temps and change the CPU and Motherboard once it burns out. If you do not care about temperatures, AM5 processors have an much bigger performance so go for that. All I am saying that you get with air coolers not even on this 5900X the maximum on performance if you want to hold it 20 degrees Celsius below Tjunc max. So the same with the 7900X with even way more wasted potential. However the better process node performance is worth AM5 if you maintain it cool.
I personally went all in in a b550 system, yeah end of generation for that socket, but the Intel offerings at the time were pretty much pathetic in comparison when it came to value, so am4 it was (and is, still happy with it) It was either a 5600x or a 10400/11400 (they are pretty much the same thing), and the Intel boards tended to be more expensive, although I could get away with less expensive ram. Also it was my first AMD system so I wanted to see what it was like.
But always consider: There will be AM5+ at some time. And the DDR5 6000 your CPU can run now is going to be obsolete in a year, or two. If gaming is the max workload your computer does than there is no point in going broke for bleeding edge performance parts. Don't get overhyped.
It's hard to justify an upgrade for me right now as an AM4 user. One day, sure, but for now the AM4 platform is performing so well. I just upgraded my CPU instead. If I was getting a full new PC then sure, I would go AM5 and spend the extra, as AMD have a good history of supporting a platform for a longer period. I'm hoping AM5 will also end up being a solid, longer term investment.
What CPU did you have and which one did you upgrade to? I’ve had my Ryzen 3600/X570 system with 16GB of 3600 MHZ RAM and RTX2070s for 3,5 years and I’m deciding between either 5600 or 5700X for the upgrade.
@Irregular John I had two machines running 3600. One upgraded to 5600x the other to 5800x. They were both effective upgrades. On today's prices I think the 5700 is a better option than 5600.
The problem with AM5 is that it has so much "bug" right now. If it isn't the motherboard itself, it is the connectivity to the CPU or the Ram. Honestly, I think it is better to get AM4 right now and wait for AM5 to settle down with more updates and clean ups before upgrading.
There is no problem with AM5. The problem is those broke folks who try to justify everything and want to stick with a dead plaform (AM4) thinking that it would still be great in the next year or two, which clearly is not lmao.
Went from a 1700 to a good priced 5800x. The only problem I have is I am running out of 16GB memory and fast m.2 slots. DDR4 memory is almost the same price as DDR5 here, so I do not really want to buy 32GB DDR4 now as a band-aid and throw them out in 1-2 years. AM5 will also double my game SSD speed and 5 times faster OS drive because of the faster M.2 slot instead of a Sata OS disk. A lot to think about, pictures of burning 7800x3d and high VSOC voltages has paused everything for me for some time, until further tests and bios are ready.
@@Muldeeer With Asus choicing 1.3V manually gives around 1.34V at the chip, so some calculations are needed. Gigabyte also has problems with overvolting and in some cases ignoring user settings.
Looking forward to upgrade my current build (5700 XT, 3700x & 2x8gb ddr4 @3733mhz) to an 6950 XT, 5800x3d & 2x16gb ddr4 @3600mhz. Built my system with an x570 board back then just because I wanted to be able to simply swap out the CPU in the future & with the current prices I'm just waiting for the next sales.
After selling my am4 build, I paid an extra 300$ for 7800x3d+b650e mobo and 32gb ram 6000mhz cl30. At the upgrade time, the 5800x3d costed more than 400$ where I live so…it was cheaper to get a new am5 build.
I had to pull the trigger since I'm interested to play at 1440p High-Ultra settings (with RT) at more than 100-120 FPS, so I had to switch to AM5 since I get a better experience in comparison to the most powerful gaming CPU in AM4 besides of productivity stuff. AM4 will be a worse option as new GPU comes out, I mean is already not good enough if you are planning to keep playing in 1080p/1440p at a really high refresh rate. In a side note I'm "liking the AM5 platform", for example, my B650 AORUS ELITE AX has a really cool mechanism to put M.2 drives on it, which I found really nice to have, and then, something that really blown my mind was the inclusion of some kind of adapter for the front panel cables, that things were incredible to use. Also, the ability to use up to 3 NVMe drives without worrying about the PCI lanes, since all of them work nicely. I had some issues like a few boot loops, and today my PC wasn't working so I had to reconnect all my USB devices and it worked, not something that should be forgiven or accepted, but that's the early adopter stuff.
I currently have a dell optiplex 7010, i5-3470, 32gb ddr3, 1tb ssd, 3tb HDD, and gt710 (2gb gpu). Used an NVMe and i5-10thgen at work for the first time and was shocked to see how much faster it was. I use my PC for my career, converting files, rendering/editing videos&audio, storing/transferring large files, etc. More creator applications vs gaming, but I like to emulate games on the weekend. I have the same question; to build a fulling loaded am4 for $1,300 or build a mid-range am5 for $1,500. My take - by the time I'm ready to upgrade again, pcie 5 will be a standard offering. (8 years or so) Spend a couple hundred more now and not have to upgrade for a while. The only thing I can see having to upgrade is an ethernet port to 5gb/s vs the 2.5gb/s am5 offers now, which can be done with a PCIe card at some point. Thoughts?
The last PC I built was an i5 Ivy Bridge, yes it is that long ago. Currently I'm building another since it died...I delidded it, put liquid metal as cooling, which I now regret. And try getting a motherboard after such a long time. The LGA 1700 will be replaced by the LGA 1851 socket. AM4 already replaced by AM5. To me, its a no brainer to just go with the new. At least an upgrade path for the next few years, if I so choose. So, currently waiting for the 7700 to arrive.
Went from 3600xt to a 5800x and loved it, however with with my 7900x on the am5 platform I have had nothing but inconsistency. Long boot times, ransoming crashing, missing drivers. This is the one gen where I can’t recommend amd at the moment.
I think it very much depends on your intended use case. If you use your computer for WORK (graphics design, video production, etc.), you should upgrade. More performance = more productivity = more $$$. Your AM5 computer will pay itself off, sooner rather than later. If you are building an ultra budget computer for as cheap as possible and you won't upgrade it ever, AM4 will be cheaper. AM4 cpus are gradually starting to go down in stock (but not price that much), so it's going to get harder to come across reliable upgrades, and it really won't be worth upgrading in the long run; by the time you are ready to upgrade such a computer, we'll be deep into AM5 where you have much more performance. But that requires spending more money, which is supposedly against the goal here If you are building a longterm rig and you want to eventually upgrade parts or reuse the pc for other means, I wouldn't build a NEW AM4 computer. I'd go to AM5. If you ignore AM5 now and want to upgrade in 4-5 years, I think you'll regret still being on AM4.
Tbh if I build a computer today, by the time I'd be willing to upgrade it completely, we will probably already be on AM6 or AM7 (or whatever equivalent naming scheme AMD/Intel comes up with).
@@ElladanKenet @ElladanKenet yeaah.. i had my previous PC for about a decade and that was a low end i3 from 3 years ago at that point without any dedicated graphics. Pretty sure I would be able to manage an upper midrange AM4 CPU with external GPU for at least that long. That is if they don't die out on me before that.
Not really. More performance only equals more $$$, if you are limited by the performance of your PC, and not by anything else. Generally that kind of logic only works for server farms. If you are a youtuber, will a PC twice as fast result in you uploading twice as many videos? Probably not. You probably won't see a big improvement in productivity from AM4 to AM5. A bit smoother video editing, a bit faster renders. It won't "pay for itself" unless your previous rig was a potato, but it may be worth the extra money if you can afford it. You can just as well reuse your existing DDR4 memory now (unless, again, your previous rig was a potato) instead buying DDR5 in hope of reusing it 4-5 years later, so that argument just doesn't make much sense. And AM5 will have to become more affordable in the future (at least if AMD plans to sell anything but its most expensive chips) so rather than regretting it, you'll be glad you waited, and don't have an overpriced 4-5 year old motherboard, that you plan on reusing, but it doesn't support USB-5, or any new features.
Is AM5 Stable yet ? - I have been holding off until I felt it would be a reliable option. I have been led to believe AM5 Motherboards are still having BIOS problems that could make it an unreliable option ?
If there's no clear answer, it is best to spend small for now. Money is the better thing to keep compared to tech that you're not gonna use now. Mid AM4 aren't bad at all and there's still a lil bit of upgrade path.
I just recently bought a second hand 5600x and replaced my 3600X. I got new 4000mhz RAM and have my fabric cloth at 2000 and all core 4.65ghz at 1.156V needless to say this was a much better upgrade for the money versus getting an entire new build. GPU is a 3070 Ti but the VRAM problem is incredibly depressing. I'm hoping nvidia will use their new compression technology to allow nvidia RTX owners to process and compress game textures to allow less strain on the vram
with cars and computers ,its basically always a better option to go with older models. I also think gaming pcs are like cameras in the sense that on a camera, the most beneficial component to invest in is overwhelmingly the lens and not the camera. you can put a 3000$ lens on an 18 megapixel camera and its going to shred an iphone. The same is true for Gpus imo. An am4 gpu with a current gen gpu like a 4070ti is going to blast through games for the next 5 years, even in 1440p. by the time your pc is getting winded by current gen games, theyll have am6 chips
I went to AM5 early because I got a work bonus and wanted to hop to the new platform before prices bottomed out on my used stuff. I feel like AM4 will be relevant for a while. I personally haven't had issues with AM5 after getting booted and updating my bios. It's been pretty smooth for me.
i wish i could say the same haha, i went from am4 5800x3d to am5 7800x3d, first off all with expo enabled at its rated speed 6000mhz i could not get windows to post i had to manually lower it to 5600mhz just to get to windows since then i have had bsods i am not running it without expo just at its stock speeds which are 4800 and its stable, i did buy corsair that wasnt on the motherboard qvl list so i wonder if i am one of the people thats hit unlucky and need a qvl kit i dont know but i am currently sending the corsair kit back and have bought some g.skill 6000 thats on the qvl so i pray that sorts it haha
@@ksweew7476 it got it running 6000mhz but the whole experience was very stutters in windows and games so I sent the motherboard back and sold the 7800x3d and went to i7 14700k I play at 1440p ultrawide anyway so the difference in fps small but so far I find the whole intel experience but smoother
I went with AM5 7800x3d for a new build since I was stuck on a old Intel platform i7-2600k (legendary chip for it’s time) That CPU lasted a decade for me lol. No question in my mind if I was leveraging the AM4 platform I would not be upgrading as the 5800X3D is such a bargain right now. My parts arrive tomorrow to begin this build and this old dude is excited. This time I went Team Red including the 7900 XTX.
@@jmangames5562 Thank you for asking! The great news no issues at all. No doubt there was a bios issue that I was aware of with AM5 and this particular chip. When I did the build I just updated the bios and thankfully zero issues pertaining to voltage or memory instability. I have this paired with a 7900 XTX and I could not be happier with performance.
I just upgraded my 3700x to a 5800x3d, for the price of the 7800x3d, I bought a 5800x3d and a crucial p5 plus 2tb. Later in the year I'm going to upgrade my old 1070ti
I'm going to wait for a $600 AM5 budget build. I'm still using pentium g3258 w/ a xfx radeon gpu which I bought 8 years ago. Was planning on upgrading to 5600g this month but decided not to.
I think people should wait until the end of 2023 before they jump to AM5, black friday deals will come and who knows what deals will come, like for example, the ryzen 9 7900 non X could be less than 400 dollars which would be a great deal
or wait with your money to see how hard the gpu market gets hit between now and then, might get great deals on a gpu that will last years and can wait another years to upgrade or wait for next socket.
The problem with CPU upgrade is that the old CPU will end up doing nothing, or you would have to go through the hassle of selling it. It's not the case for upgrading to a newer GPU. You can slap in any kind of GPU onto any motherboard nowadays as long it's PCIe, long gone those days of AGP. You may have an AMD CPU laying around because you have just swapped it out for a new one, but you won't necessarily have another motherboard ready to pair it.
I faced this dilemma recently. My 8700k was getting too old and needed an upgrade, if I had bought AMD at the time I could have just slotted in a 5800x3d and been fine for a few more years, instead I needed a new CPU/mobo/ram. Buying Intel this time would have given me better performance now but I decided to go with AM5 this time and bet on AMD supporting this platform for at least 4-5 years. So hopefully when it comes time for an upgrade I can slot a future 11800x3d into my existing system and be good for another few years.
As someone already with a PC, I'm waiting on 14th Gen & Zen 5 to arrive with updated chipsets, motherboards and just better CPUs. My 5950x with 3600mhz Cas 14-16 RAM is doing just fine. I'm getting 7.5Gbs W/R on my pcie 4 ssds and I doubt it's significantly limiting my current gaming experience; playing games at 4k@60fps maxed out with my 7900 XTX either. I don't like getting "too far behind". So, I'll dive into a new platform on the next tick tock go round. Compete for my $$ Intel & AMD. I don't want to see any insane power draw or burnt chips from either of you! 😅
Coming from an Intel platform so have no existing AMD parts. Using the Microcenter combo deals I wasn't able to price out an AM4 build that beat the special on the AM5 stuff.
I have been having these thoughts recently. I game at 2k or 1440p for a while now and have been running an MSI B450 Pro Carbon Wifi, Ryzen 3700X, Sapphire Nitro+ RX6800, and 16GB GSkill Neo 3600 CL16. I am considering upgrading to a low-budget AM5 or getting another 16GB of memory and a Ryzen5800X 3D for the next 2 to 5 years, maybe longer. I keep my custom PC builds for some time. I believe I am CPU-locked at the moment.
The CPU cost isn't an issue. High end 32GB 6000 cl30 DDR5 is $140 now. The problem is still the motherboard. $200 is a horrid price for a basic board that lacks any expansion slots. But I keep boards for 10 years. I need a board that can be upgraded. So I went AM5. But that price...youch
Who is very tight will not ask this question am5 vs am4 but rather the person who can get a am5 with a 7600 will ask this to either be able to save the difference or put it against a better gpu...
Hi, I am looking to buy/build a good budget-friendly PC. I have a monitor & other accessories like Monitor, HDD, etc... My current budget amount is- 50-60K Can you please suggest which build would be better? I am confused about Intel or Ryzen. I am also looking for the latest motherboard & components that would support future upgrades for RAM, etc., and if I can install a good GPU on this same budget, that would be great. I am not looking for a very high-end PC or 1440p or 4K gaming rig. But would like to play recent games on decent fps/resolution Please suggest some configurations for both Intel & AMD. Please help It's a request and please reply. PC would be used for gaming & work Thanks & Regards
I feel like i jumped the wagon too fast when it comes to DDR5 ram, as i went with G.Skill Trident Z 6000Mhz 16GB CL36 x4, and man.. I wish i had EXPO versions of those.
My AM5 build is amazing. So fast. I just wish I could diagnose this one super obscure problem. Everytime I turn it on, the first boot will ALWAYS BSOD. All the I/O will glitch out and constantly disconnect and reconnect. M.2 drives will drop in and out and everything connected to USB glitches up and the audio crackles and it's just a huge mess. Only happens after the first 10 minutes of it being on, or sooner if I'm running cinebench. Then after it "warms up" it will be stable as all heck. I cannot even attempt to get it to crash. Sometimes I have to hard power off the computer because during the glitchy part, one of the m.2 drives will completely disappear until a full power cycle but then it comes back like it was never gone.
I still have an X470 motherboard and a 2600X. Just got my RAM upgraded to 32gb. Now I'm planning to upgrade to a 5700X (or 5800X3D if they get cheaper) for Flight Sim, gaming and work. I still have an RTX 2060 Super. I'm saving for a new GPU in 2 years. I'll wait for AM6 or something after AM5 since my system is still okay for more years. We'll see what the future holds. o7
Performance per watt wise the 5800X3D even beats the 7800X3D. And idle power also seems to be better with similar quality motherboards. It really depends on what you want and need. But I do agree if you van afford AM5 with decent 32GB DDR6000 go for it. But a friend of mine plays a lot of stellaris X3D is king there. The 5800X3D is 60% faster compared to the normal 5800X in that game. The AM4 combo was quite a bit cheaper the 7800X3D is still expensive but also the memory and board where more expensive. The 7600X and 7700X would have been slower in that game. And now he has a nice MSI B550 Tomahawk with a good onboard audio chip that is way better compared to what 70-130 euro more expensive AM5 boards offer and he was able to upgrade his 280X to a 6700XT. But now he is maxed out cpu wise but then again this will Probably keep him happy for the next 5 years anyway. And if you upgrade something it will probably be the gpu first.
Escape from Tarkov is also 60-70% faster on a 5800X 3D compared to 5800X with the same config. The worse the game is coded/written, the more you gain with the extra cache.
They are bare bones with few features. No overclocking Don't support gen 5 ssds No wifi/bluetooth Vrm and cooling can't be that good either just guessing. I have 3 msi b550m pro vdh wifi mb's . new there 100usd and used 60usd. They have more features and cooling than the new am5 cheap Mb.
@@Tainted79 I get worried about that vrm cooling. They have no heat spreader on them. I don't really care about gen 5 ssd. The difference between loading a game that takes an additional 10 seconds, I can wait. The overclocking seems like too much of a pain to learn about and do. I just want something that will last until at least a while into am6. I am going to build my first gaming pc probably around this time next year, hopefully by then I can get the same equivalent motherboard you have for around $75 to $85. I am trying to keep the price under 500 dollars.There will also be a lot more used components, and probably cheaper better graphics cards.
@@bansheezs You want an Unlocked bios, especially if you have a socket melting hot CPU. You can undervolt with an unlocked bios. It might be important to you.
I build for today's needs. Dropping in a new CPU on a Windows system usually means all sorts of software licensing issues as well as the possibility of destabilizing a production system. I do increase RAM, add SSDs and upgrade video cards on the same machine periodically. There is nothing wrong with AM4 even for power users and it is a much better value. Just my take, there are always more than one side of the issue.
I will just wait until my next pc build in a few years to go for am5 mobo… plus newer tech (windows 11, new high end ryzen cpu’s, etc..) have their problems when it is brand new and usually takes a few months to a year or so to fix
The elephant in the room is use case and early adopter concerns, not just budget. There's no doubt that 7000 series line is significantly faster on paper than the 5800X3d. There's no doubt that it benchmarks better. There's no doubt that for frame chasers, there's a noticeable difference in high intensity workloads. There's no doubt that eventually the CPU will become a major bottleneck in common applications and that DDR4 will become a limiting factor. But that's all synthetic. That's mostly benchmarks. That's all raw stats. And the elephant in the room is that as hardware and software get better, the actual difference between generations in real world use declines. "But didn't the 7800X3d benchmark out as providing 20-30% more frames?" In some games, yes, but we're talking at 1080p in most circumstances, and some of the games that provided that number in those cases are largely running in the 200-400 frame range depending on video card. As an autistic person, I can see 200FPS, but only barely. The average person? There's no way they're telling the difference between 120 and 200FPS. Not really, and even if you can tell the difference the actual impact to play is almost non-existent because as frame rate goes up, the difference between view and response diminishes. Diminishing returns is a significant factor we have to account for, and benchmarks tell the wrong story here. What about getting limited at 4K? Well, most people aren't using 4K, and that's for good reason: We're not playing on 50-80 inch TVs across the room, we're playing on 24-30 inch monitors a foot or two in front of our faces. Diminishing returns again factor in here, and if I'm going to put compute power into optimization at this range, I get more return by turning up texture fidelity and resolution and engine upscaling to 4K than I ever will from trying to run a native 4K resolution and incurring that heavy cost. The latency impact from that is not that significant. 1080p and 1440p are, in all actuality, just fine with the bells and whistles turned on. Windows boots in like 4-6 seconds on my 5800X3d. Most program loading is basically instantaneous, and once in a program everything is nice and speedy, even doing development work, database testing, and testing virtualization workloads. Compilation's reasonably fast. I haven't run into anything on my 5800X3d yet where I would say that we're anywhere close to having a faster chip producing a significant difference in outcome for my use case. I don't do video editing, and that is a place where I think a major difference might emerge. But OK, maybe you're future proofing. In exchange, you have to worry about your chip exploding, or maybe the frame on your chip bending because it's not designed for a modern cooler (looking at you, Intel)... the chip manufacturers are rushing now, and quality is going out the door as they chase cycles and push thermals up. I was in a situation where I had an AM4 motherboard and was ready to pull the trigger on current gen, and when I started to look at designs I knew there was stuff in the latest gen that was not QA'ed well. It just was just too much change too fast. I was ready to pay the $3k to build a current gen system like normal, but the thermal results, and some of the jank in the design methods just screamed "there be dragons." I've been doing this for 30 years and have developed a gut feeling for when the market is over-extending. If I didn't have the AM4 motherboard already (from a deal where I got a 3080 Ti a couple of years ago at MSRP) and good RAM and good storage, I might have been more inclined to experiment, but we should not wash over the risks of early adoption. So 7000 series chips exploding because of poor voltage regulation is not a surprise to me. In fact, I'm glad for people who went that route this probably (mostly) has a BIOS fix angle to it. It could be (and might be) a lot worse down the line. They WILL eventually get the bugs worked out, but that could take another platform leap (See: Pentium 4, Phenom). But let's say they get it all worked out reasonably in a generation and we have good reason to believe that AM5 is reasonably solid. Well, there's a good chance that with those next gen motherboards, you're going to have new standards, technologies, and motherboard features. The dark reality in the room is that some of the recent chip-exploding news includes problems with current gen AM5 motherboards and bad voltage regulation. Not all of that is going to be in the BIOS, some of it's going to be in hardware deficiencies in motherboard design which will require a hardware shift. And some of those new features in next gen chips may require newer versions of PCIE or other buses to take full advantage of those new chips. New chipset revisions will likely come out, too. So there's a not insignificant chance that that awesome future-proof motherboard you're buying because you don't want to have a bottleneck... will bottleneck you in some way you didn't expect. I've seen it over and over again. Again, diminishing returns, so maybe it doesn't matter as much as before... but we'll find out, and there will be newer motherboards then that have benefitted from maturity. There's no right or wrong answer to this question, per-se. It depends on the use case. It depends on where you're starting from. It depends on your needs and the headaches you're willing to put up with. And games that require DDR5 to run reasonably or need more processing than a 5800X3d to be functional at reasonable frames at normal resolutions.... they're not right around the corner in most cases. There might be a few ports and newer games that will put strain on it, but anyone thinking that 2024 will be the year games become unplayable at high frames on an 5800X3d isn't being honest. The question isn't about the answer, it's about the method... and the only right method for determining the system you want to build is your personal use case and whether that's working for you. PCs always obsolete, so guessing at the future is always a bit of a fool's errand. That leaves us with a lot of comparisons using numbers from 1080p frames in games like CS:GO where the difference is like 450 to 600 or something like that... and that's just meaningless. I don't even know why we're talking about performance uplift numbers from cases like that. It's completely meaningless.
Ordered a $348 7800X3D, X670E Tomahawk $190 and 32gb 6000mhz CL30 $100 and planned to sell my X570 Asus TUF, 5900X and 64gb of 3600mhz. But then came across a $239 plus tax open box 5800X3D and opted to just go that route. Selling my 5900X for $260 so it was only about $3 out of pocket to move from 5900X to 5800X3D for 99% gaming use. Not sure how much it really benefited me though as I run almost 4k resolution (5120x1440p @ 240hz) which is 89% of the pixel count as 4k. Also only running a midranged 6900XT Asus TUF. I already have the build on a solid X570S MSI Edge Wifi with currently 4x M2 drives all running at full speed (3x gen4, 1x gen3 in an adapter). I'm very much GPU bound but do want to maintain 240fps when I can.
Ordered a more budget AM5 route with 7600, X670 Aorus Elite AX, 32gb 6000mhz CL30. After selling CPU, RAM and MB I am likely looking about $60-70 out of pocket. Yes performance is very similar to the 5800X3D but a better board, faster ram and better IPC 7600 for $60-70 more, why not. Do plan to OC the 7600 to 7600X levels of perfomance as I have a D15 w/ triple 140mm Noctua fans and excellent case airflow.
I say if your building a new system then yeah get am5 but if you already have a Ryzen 5600x, Ryzen 5700x. Ryzen 5800x, 5900x etc theres no need to upgrade.
It is all come to your expected performance at game resolution and fps, and your time spent on gaming, also how much is your earning. 3600 or even older cpu is still very competent to run a very basic gaming requirement at 1080p 60fps. I would say $200-300 used pc build is the entry price point to start with, then how much more money you're gonna spend to get your ideal gaming performance.
Of course, one nice thing about the 5800X3D is that you don't really need to upgrade your RAM, even if it's a bit on the slow side, such as 2933 MT/s CL 18 (though you probably do want 32GB). At the end of the day, an AM4 system with a 5800X3D and 32GB of RAM or an AM5 system with a 7600 or 7700X and 32GB of RAM are both excellent options with some pros and cost to go with each. The speed of the RAM you use with a non X3D CPU on AM4 or AM5 would matter more, but as long as you get RAM with a good balance of price and performance for the CPU you're using, a 5700X, 7600, or 7700X are all great value options for a system upgrade, and/or for a new system, right now. Personally, I would definitely side with Steve and say that if you're buying a whole new system (with motherboard and RAM) anyway, to pay more and go with AM5, and get either a 7600 or a 7700X. While the 5600 is also a great value CPU, I don't mention it because I think that the time has come where a 5700X is likely to offer better value over the next 2-3 years. That being said, the 5600 still gives better value right now in virtually any game, and upgrading again to an 8-core CPU is probably not that hard for most people who are already willing and able to put together their own CPU in the first place.
Non 3D Zen cpus are very memory speed dependent, the 3D ones are less so. But that does not mean you get no performance out of faster ram with them (and it really depends on the game used). Especially matters for 1% low fps, not averages. Anyway, its not that hard to sell a half config if you go with AM4 and want AM5 later.
If you’re building your first pc then go am5 if your budget allows. If you already have am4 then I don’t think it’ll be that great of a jump esp with the cost replacing your already working am4. Honestly, ddr5 & am5’s been dropping in prices and will continue to do so.. Built my first ever pc and went am5. Zero compatibility issues. Only issue I had was when I tried an amd 6000 series gpu with blackouts so I opted for nvidia 3000 series. Aside from that everything is smooth and fast af. Gigabyte b650 7700x 32gb Tforce ddr5 6000mhz c30 3090fe This will serve me for the next years to come. I only play 1440p 165hz rn and getting too much fps, so planning to buy 4k oled 120hz in the near future just saving up for it.
Im a warzone fan. If I have to build a pc right now in a budget but to run a 4070ti card, which build would you guys suggest for me to consider? Im more into FPS games but warzone is my fav right now.
After 5 years, I was still using i7-8700K just last week. Were I on AM4, I'd have only gone for the awesome 5800X3D, but from the 8700K to the 5800X3D I'd probably only see marginal gains, especially in the 1% lows of frames. I went with the 7800X3D so I hope to not make a huge upgrade for another few years…in case you're wondering-yes, I've upgraded my BIOS and am hopeful the CPU won't start a house fire 😅
It all comes down to budget and what you need the PC for. For example, I plan to build a PC for Blender (3D animation, modeling e.t.c.) so for me, it would make more sense to cut some costs from the rest of the PC build and invest as much as possible to the GPU (provided that I get a CPU that won't bottleneck the card). I'd rather have a DDR4 system with RTX 4070 than a DDR5 with RTX 3060 (due to budget limitations). Not to mention that even this DDR4 system is far superior to the PC I already have.
If you can wait then switch to AM5 when the Zen5 cpus come out. What is really appealing on AM5 is the 64GB DDR5 option with 2 modules (ok, overkill if you are only gaming) and the PCIe5 support for GPU (useless atm). PCIe5 for SSD is nice but still to expensive and still in early development on the SSD side. But I see still room for improvement in the chipset and the mainboards build around them. I don't need the last fps atm, so I will stay with AM4 and wait what will happen in 2024.
In Poland NEW am4 is 2 times cheaper than am5, so for the price of am5 cpu+mb+ram i can get full comlplete am4 system with rx 6600 gpu... (5600+b550+ram+storage+psu+case+gpu)
My problem is that I want to upgrade from a R7 3700x. Do I want to upgrade to a 5800x3d? Or just move on to the new AM5 ecosystem? One is much more expensive than the other as upgrading to AM5 will require all new and more expensive components.
Guys, am4 is going to be great for years to come.
Completely agree. So happy with my 5800x3d. Such a great value upgrade since I already had an am4 system
For someone who can afford 30% better performance am5 is definitely better
Maybe, I was considering upgrading to a 5800x3d but it was going to cost 600 for the CPU, really questioned the wisdom of sinking serious $ into a EOL platform. At the time a am5 b650 mbd and then new 7600 CPU cost 750 , I ended up going am5 because it was a new platform with options to upgrade in the future and the 5800x3d was the best CPU for am4 and it couldn't be expanded to anything better......
only until you are cpu limited.
@@Mewzyc 4090 at 1440p
One thing that makes AM4 viable is upgrade to 5800X3D. You don't have to get it right now but its there when you need it. I recently upgraded from a 2600X/5600XT to a 5600 non X Micro Center open box $103 and a used 6700XT 12GB eBay $260 ($290 after shipping+tax). When I need the 5800X3D it will be much cheaper and i will need it, 6 core will be over in two years. I forgot, i added two more stick of RAM for $26 used for 32GB total.
went from a 3600 to a 5800x3d. in some games like Rust it gave me almost a 100% FPS increase and it runs butter smooth in all games
@@Stikkzz I'm on a 3700x, comments like yours make it real tempting to get a 5800x3d.
Than again I'm mostly playing csgo and various indie titles atm. I really don't need it, but still I want to XD
I'm on a 2600x($80CAD used) / Rx 5700($170 CAD used) I thought about upgrading to the 5700x($240 CAD) but I think I'll wait until am5 is cheaper in the next few years cause my cpu hasn't been lacking at all in the workload I do
I think going am5 is crazy for gamers... unless you have not budget constrains, am4 should be the only recommended path, most of the money should be spent on the graphics card, no the motherboard or the ram imo
@@IskanderVFX true, thing is though if you're building new buying into AM4 you're kind of buying into a dead end. you're going to have to go AM5 eventually if you ever want to upgrade your cpu, which would mean buying a new mobo and ram anyway.
best would be to wait until AM5 prices come down a bit more.
though I guess it does depend on your use case, cuz the most recent AM4 cpu's should be good for some years unless you need to have the best of the best or something.
The problem is motherboard prices, the least expensive ATX b650 motherboard is $189.
ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 Socket AM5 Ryzen 7000 Micro ATX Motherboard $125 on newegg right now.
For that price I got the most premium ASUS itx b550 board which already has double premium on it since ASUS "ROG" brand and ITX is also always super expensive
@@craiglortie8483 remember that’s Mirco ATX though. The ATX boards are expensive
Overpriced for nothing that Intel doesn't already offer
@Rolen you can get gigabyte B650M DS3H motherboard $125 right now. but this is micro ATX
I went through this decision a few months ago. I decided to stay am4 and get a 5800x3d. I also upgraded my old b350 board to an x570, mainly for more m.2 slots and pcie gen 4. I figured I'd let am5 and ddr5 mature a bit. Maybe even skip am5 all together if the 5800x3d ages well. I play at 4k so it should be fine for a few more years.
Of course, one nice thing about the 5800X3D is that you don't really need to upgrade your RAM, even if it's a bit on the slow side, such as 2933 MT/s CL 18 (though you probably do want 32GB). At the end of the day, an AM4 system with a 5800X3D and 32GB of RAM or an AM5 system with a 7600 or 7700X and 32GB of RAM are both excellent options with some pros and cost to go with each. The speed of the RAM you use with a non X3D CPU on AM4 or AM5 would matter more, but as long as you get RAM with a good balance of price and performance for the CPU you're using, a 5700X, 7600, or 7700X are all great value options for a system upgrade, as well as for a new system, right now.
While the 5600 is also a great value CPU, I don't mention it because I think that the time has come where a 5700X is likely to offer better value over the next 2-3 years. That being said, the 5600 still gives better value right now in virtually any game, and upgrading again to an 8-core CPU is probably not that hard for most people who are already willing and able to put together their own CPU in the first place.
I have a 3900x Im waiting for the next 900 class cpu that's 3D and doesn't have core parking destroy its performance. Hopefully, the 8900X3D is that. My 3900x is getting long in the tooth though.
yes skip it so AMD goes under and you can pay $1000 for intel's worst CPU. not to smart are you?
I'm having some dilemma thoughts right now. Should I put more money in AM5 and of course get more performance but in reality I'm not going to need the best performance out there as in a year we're going to get another CPUs announcement and it's not going to be as tempting anymore. So I figured I'll probably upgrade 5600x to 5800x3d for the time being and a better ram which is cheap right now. That will of course change once crypto bull run happens again. So probably it's better to spend fraction now and be sorted our for years to come and then upgrade to idk AM6 or so something
Going from 2700x to 5800X3D is my plan. Then upgrade to Am 5 when next generation appears.
I'm not an early adapter
Went AM5 back in March. Came from an Intel 6th gen i7. Massive improvements everywhere. Have had 0 stability problems. Boot times have been fast on my Gigabyte board. No complaints and I dont feel like a guinea pig. First AMD build too.
May I ask what video card you added to the system?
Did nearly exactly the same (6600k --> 7800x3d), with similar experience. Stability was good, but not perfect: For some reason the gigabyte board does not like the trusty GTX 1070, won't boot into BIOS with it and shows VGA problem LED, but otherwise works fine, so ok. Going to replace it with a Sapphire 7900 XT now on sale.
@@jerryquesenberry2520 Came from a 1070 to a 3070.
👍 nice bro, I'll be moving to a 7900x from my 5900x very soon.
There are reports of coil whine on some B650 boards coming from VRMs, mainly from Gigabyte.
Did you notice something?
Went AM4 in 2017 with X370 and R7 1700. Upgraded CPU to 5700X last year. That was a very significant improvement for relatively little money (I waited for 5700X to drop in price before buying).
So from longevity and upgradability perspective, it was totally worth it. And I'm not in any hurry to jump on AM5. I'll wait for second generation, I think.
But prices are an interesting topic.
I paid €310 or R7 1700, which is about the same what 7700 costs today. 32 GB of DDR4 cost me €270 back then. I can buy DDR5 today for half that (6000 CL30). But that X370 motherboard was just €130 back then and today, there's no B650 mobos anywhere close to that price.
So same class AM5 system today costs about the same as AM4 was back in 2017 (around €650-700). But same class AM4 system is basically half that price (~€340).
So yeah, AM4 is great value today.
I built 2 pc's two month ago for my home office/man cave.
Cpu: sale 5900x and 5800x3d 225usd each
Gpu: used rtx3090 600usd rx5950xt 500usd
Mb: 2 used msi b550m pro vdh wifi 120usd
Ram: 32gb cl14 100usd 64gb cl16 100usd
Cooler: bought 3 peerless assassin 120se last year on sale for 75usd
I'll upgrade to am5 in few years when it's more mature and cheaper.
As most of use probably use AM4 for a while, it's not worth the upgrade at the moment...but for those who can afford and doesn't have a PC yet, go ham with AM5.
or those upgrading from an insufficient intel system
Agreed. I have a 5600 with a 7900xt. At 4k gaming, the processor is keeping the GPU very well fed.
I went with AM5 as i plan to upgrade my cpu in about 3 years (2 generations after zen4) which i will be able to do. Picked up a higher end X670E board with Gen 5 SSD and Gen 5 PCIe support so i’m set for the future.
People look at B650E and X670E like if they were X370 and B350 which is honestly really not case as those boards offered nothing new compared to Intel while also had terrible VRMs for future CPUs.
X670E and B650E boards now are pretty much top notch with the best features and VRMs you can have and is going to support anything you throw at them.
@@kerotomas1 I'm planning to wait for affordability for DDR5 and AM5 boards and a much faster CPU (Ryzen 9000). Hopefully I can get 9800X3D for next gen and I have a 4070ti and 5800X3D combo that should last very long for 1440p gaming, might be a bit overkill.
@@CasualG-mer I don't think DDR5 is expensive nowadays at all as i used to buy good B-die DDR4 kits and not the cheap junk and compared to those my DDR5 6000cl30 kit was cheaper. Also i wouldn't expect AM5 boards become more affordable at all as inferior Intel boards cost the exact same as AM5 does.
I don't think the 4070Ti with a 192bit 3060 like memory bus and only 12gigs of vram for 800 dollars is good value and good card for multiple years to come at 1440p ultra but to each to their own i guess haha
The 5800X3D should be plenty though for most cases :P
Staying on AM4 , my next upgrade will be the 5800x3d from the 3700x
Great cpu but theres no where to go after that. You're going to have to pretty much change your whole system!
The existence of the 5800X3D is proof that AM5 is worthwhile. Coming out on a 5 year old platform and being so competitive with the next was outstanding. I had the 5950X before the X3D was released. I care about gaming perf, but not only gaming perf, so I didn't want to give up my threads for it. Definitely the way to go if you're fine with 8 cores. I already knew I'd be getting the 7950X3D. I'll be good until at least the next EOL lineup on AM5.
3700x to 5800x3D is a bigger jump than from 5800x3D to 7800x3D and for a fraction of the cost.
@@Ometecuhtli jumping from 3700x to 7800x3d
WOW ,, you sure love selecting worst cpu followed by most over-priced overhyped
If someone is building a new rig and has access to a Microcenter, I found that taking advantage of their bundle deals will allow for an AM5 7700X build that is comparable in cost to an AM4 higher end build. Of course a bundle deal limits your choice of the mobo and ram but the options they offer seem reasonable.
I fortunately live by a Microcenter and I wanted a 7800X3d but settled on the 7900X bundle because I couldnt justify the additional $400
The thought of going for a 7800X3D crossed my mind as well but the benefits of that CPU over the 7700X just did not justify the added cost.
The thing these companies dont like to hear is that you absolutely do not need to upgrade CPU for good 6-7 years if you are just gaming, maybe just replace GPU every 3 years depending on your needs. You could get like ryzen 7600 now with solid MB and high end ryzen x900 or something at the end of AM5 but you don't really need to id you just take more expensive CPU at the beginning.
Upgraded from an i7-7700k platform that I built 6 years ago. Only needed a CPU upgrade since it was starting to bottleneck my RTX 3070 that I bought a year ago on newer game, but of course Intel platform support is laughable at best, shitty at worst so I decided to go for AM5 this time knowing perfectly that in 4-5 years they'll launch the last generation of CPU supported by the AM5 platform, which I'll upgrade too, giving another 5 years of longivity to my system.
Do people often factor reselling your old components into the equation?
I'm in the position of choosing between the 5800X3D (drop in upgrade) or spending more and doing a full rework to AM5. I've settled on going the whole hog and moving to AM5 because the way I see it, in a couple of years if I wanted to upgrade my CPU it would be a lot easier to find customers looking for a 7800X3D on a current socket rather than the smaller market for the 5800X3D on a deprecated platform (AM4).
And you can sell your current platform(rig) you have right now, to invest in the new platform AM5.
The crazed 5800X3D shills don't ALLOW to sell your old motherboard / cpu and ram ,, it highlights how stupid there 5800X3D purchase is
New builders yes go AM5, . Got an existing AM4 system, get a 5800X3D for gaming. I did both😂
I got a 5800x 3d and decided to lock in to am4 for another 2 or so years due to pricing etc I’ll upgrade when I can get most of the am5 tech for much cheaper and the gains from the Amd 3d CPUs are much better on am5
Same moved from a 2700x to 5800x3d. I think that most people that switched to am5 at the moment are just beta testing like the 1st generation of Ryzen that were miles behind the 2nd
@@poustimou lotta people upgrade due to hype it’s Like iPhone owners upgrading once a year xd I was on a 5600x and moved to the 5800x 3d cos it was the best for gaming and that’s all I use my comp for really
@@genehsis Good plan, I need a machine for office use so it wasn't much more to build an AM5 one and use the AM4 one for the office work.
i was gonna build new AM5 build with ryzen 9 7900 with asus b650 rog strix e-f mother board but after these chip and motherboard burning thing i stopped should i go with asus motherboard or i use different motherboard i really want ryzen 7900 cpu build
AM4 is a blessing for gamers on a really tight budget.
R5 5600, B450 motherboard and 16GB of ddr4 can be bought new for $250. So if you are at $600 budget(not counting the case, psu, storage, monitor, mouse and keyboard, random meme led lights, etc. ) you have $350 for the gpu. And at $350 especially in the used GPU market you can find much much better deals than at $190, you would be left over with if you get a 7600, b650 mobo and ddr5.
Its like RX 6700 or RX 6500xt or RTX 3060 12GB versus RTX 3050. Or a used 2080 ...
I've got a good AM4 motherboard and recently upgraded to 5800x3d with Radeon 6950xt more than happy with gaming performance. No hurry to upgrade to AM5 yet. Probably in couple of years I will.. With all 7800x3d issues that will give enough time those issues to fully resolved.
I went from a 3600 4.5gh 16gb ddr4 3600mhz, to a 7700x stock with 32gb ddr5 6000mhz and it was such a big difference. I would recommend am5 from Microcenter bundles.
What sold me is that the 7700x was as fast as the 5800x3d in games and was upgradable in the future to the next 8800x3d if I feel like performance is lagging in the future.
memory and boot problems galore with ddr5, after spending 2 days searching for solutions my system is finally running, the problems do not appear to be motherboard manufacturer specific my MBR (master boot record ) got corrupted but my system would not allow me to access a windows 10 usb - it kept dying after a few seconds. It would show the drives but no boot partitions. It would not acknowledge my boot drive after it was set active and working on other hardware. Boot discs could not access my data drives - tested one at a time. It wouldnt even boot with no peripherals. after a bios update POST got better but still no boot. someone figured out that the usb and onboard video did not play well together so i threw a gpu back in and it booted properly repeatedly, I installed a second DIMM and the MBR was buggered again on reboot. I took out the second DIMM and it has booted fine since then. No idea why these would be affecting the MBR. I had 2x32GB (max allowed per slot) 5200MHz RAM but disabled all XMP and boost options. I recommend people drop their RAM size and speed down to minimum. check the RAM manufacturer "spd latency".
6:05 This point is probably the most relevant for the most people-doubly so for those hobbyists who may want a more production-tier, high core count CPU for things like rendering or PS3 emulation, and upgrading to AM5 8-12+ core may be right out, whereas with an AM4 system they can break the total system performance threshold they need with both higher end CPU and have enough money to also match it in GPU.
Building now and I went with am4, 3800x3D, hoping to last for the next 7 years minimum and skip am5
I'm waiting for Zen5 to upgrade with the new chipset, the first one on a new socket always sucks
This. I learned my lesson on X370… oof
So every intel CPU? :P
The thing is, I feel the 600 series motherboards/platform is heading to be the same thing as the 300 AM4 series motherboards... sure, they support the whole AM4 stack (they did eventually), but as the first gen platform, there were MASSIVE improvements to be had, quirks, missing tech, (stuck on PCIe 3) etc. We saw all of those corrected/implemented on 400, and refined on 500.
I did build a B650-based system, and found it to be too quirky. Boot times were outrageous. Returned everything and went 13th gen. Rock solid, stability and refinment of a mature platform. I'm very happy. "Upgrade path" doesn't affect me, as I change system every 2-3 years, so even if I had stuck with AM5, I very likely would've changed motherboard then anyway.
You are just making me scared bcoz i have made my mind to go for 7600x with gigabyte b650 board 😱
@@Iconic11111 That was my experience though. Plenty of AM5 users have had a problem-free experience, and are happy with their decission. You never know! But then again, maybe that's the point... we should be ABLE to know what to expect from a platform...
@@emp1985 am going for 7600x instead of 13500 only because my purpose is only gaming and 7600x is far more better than 13500 in terms of gaming as i seen on plenty of youtube comparison videos
I had a ten year old 4770k so it didnt make sense for me to go for am4 and for the same price as a am4 pre build I could ordered am5 parts and I am happy with the results and the longevity .
Me too. Sad to see the 4770k retire, because it still packs a punch, even ten years later. It was a truly great CPU. But my motherboard died, so it was time. Let's see if AM5 can last as long.
Sitting here with my reliable Asus Rog Strix B450-F Gaming II board that I bought new for £99 and it's run 2600, 5600x and now 5800X3D perfectly, with an RTX 2060S, 3070 and currently a 3080 + 32GB 3600Mhz RAM. I was going to go AM5 but I'm not until I see what 2nd Gen AM5 is like. I see no point yet not just because of the silly prices but also because of the problems with new tech.
I hesitated a long Time going AM5 but with the RTX4090 i was limiited too much using the 5950x
I play FPS@1440p and the 7800x3D with DDR6000c28 is just on another Level in Games like Pubg
I buy a lot of second Hand Stuff from my local Shop
Hardware that some Cretin wasnt able to run stable
like the 32gb gskill6600 for 110$,not much more than good DDR4 b-Die...
Since i tune all Timings myself i dont need xmp or Expo Profiles just a few Hours of Research and Testing
I also see Upgrades as Education because you learn new Stuff and get in touch with new Technology
And i like the smell of new Hardware ^^
Still using the 1800x and I am happy with its performance if I start playing Tarkov again I may upgrade to a 3700x but till then the 1800x is doing just fine for my needs.
I went from 8th gen intel, to AM4 late last year, and am glad i did. I wanted the best AM4 instead of being a AM5 tester for AMD. Next year or year after? maybe i will go with AM5 depending on how it works out, or intel.
I went from an old 4th Gen i7 4770 to a 7700x. The differences are (were) incredible. Though I've been out of the build for 3 months now due to motherboard RMA... Then after testing, NOW the CPU RMA. Can't wait to get it back.
don't buy AMD next time lmao, looks like only problems
@@deivytrajan You get some hw failures with every brand no matter what lol it's not really a deterrent imo as you'll have failures at some point with whatever you choose to go with so just go with whoever is better for your money. Fanboys are always sad to see when both companies are trading blows with each other I really don't understand it.
@@WyattOShea tbh I am more an Intel fanboy but boy did we get burnt when Sandybridge was launched over a decade ago. AMD MUST do what Intel did then and kick their board partners hard and fund the Recall. Ultimately it's AMD fault and they need to admit it and fund motherboard recalls and shipping in both directions. SandyBridge was a massive success despite its problematic birth. AMD would do well to learn lessons from it.
@@clansome I'm all for getting stuff replaced through warranty tbh as it's bs to buy something brand new and not your fault and to have it be dead quickly or DOA when you get it lol. I also have nothing against intel at all every build I've had except for my last 2 builds had been on intel and I had a generally great experience.
Also loved my sandy bridge cpus (2600 and 2600k) :P . They were beasts back in the day.
I think right now a 5800x3d or 5600x is unbeatable in terms of value, and those cpu will remain relevant way beyond currentl chipset or even the next one, slower than the top of the line sure, but if you put price difference into the video card you will still be ahead against going am5
Unless you play video games that are actually CPU heavy and nobody is testing. The Ryzen 5600 can feed a graphics card in an optimized mainstream game, but it doesn't have a potential to do much else.
idk my 5600x seems to do well in Starfield but that also could be the 4070 ti doing a good job@@JAnx01
@JAnx01 i play allot of racing sims and the 5800x3d is a total gamechanger for that use case. I was already on AM4 with R5 3600 + 2070S. So i upgraded to 5800x3d with 7800XT. I think this might last me to AM6 lol.
If you build new then go with AM5 though.
I went with AM4 on my first build a month ago.
Ryzen 5900X 336$, 32 GB (2x16) 3200 Mhz Teamgroup T-Create Expert RAM 59$, MSi B450-A Max Pro motherboard 79$, the GT 1030 from 2019 new for 79$ back then and 1 Adata 120 GB SSD for about 18$ which I used a bit on my emergency Dell small laptop. 4 x Arctic F12 case fans for around 22$ (pack of 5), 600 Watt PSU I sourced locally, Gamemax Gamma 500 CPU air cooler (120mm fan) sourced locally and the XPG Invader case I sourced locally as well new.
You will not regret is since Enlisted uses only 6 cores on this 12C/24T CPU. Since the air cooler can cool this 5900X only down to 3.7 Mhz clockspeed on an 70 Degrees Temperature limit set in the BIOS, any 5+ Ghz AM5 CPU is worthless since they can not be cooled by air anyways to their full performance unless you let them run constantly at Tjunc max temperature which I am doing in no way.
So, if your system must run cool then AM4 is the way to go since you get only similar clock speeds on AM5 processors for the same temperature. If you do not care for temperature, obviously let the CPU run all the time on Tjunc max temps and change the CPU and Motherboard once it burns out. If you do not care about temperatures, AM5 processors have an much bigger performance so go for that. All I am saying that you get with air coolers not even on this 5900X the maximum on performance if you want to hold it 20 degrees Celsius below Tjunc max. So the same with the 7900X with even way more wasted potential. However the better process node performance is worth AM5 if you maintain it cool.
I personally went all in in a b550 system, yeah end of generation for that socket, but the Intel offerings at the time were pretty much pathetic in comparison when it came to value, so am4 it was (and is, still happy with it)
It was either a 5600x or a 10400/11400 (they are pretty much the same thing), and the Intel boards tended to be more expensive, although I could get away with less expensive ram. Also it was my first AMD system so I wanted to see what it was like.
AM4 r5 5600x user here I will try use it until 3rd gen on AM5 show up or even AM6.
I have a massive issue with the name "investment" here. I don't see "Investors" here. Just people who want to play games
That’s true 😂
But always consider: There will be AM5+ at some time. And the DDR5 6000 your CPU can run now is going to be obsolete in a year, or two. If gaming is the max workload your computer does than there is no point in going broke for bleeding edge performance parts. Don't get overhyped.
then there is tarkov... KEKW
@@joejoe5921 i bet you can't even play this KKKKKEKW
@@joejoe5921 5800x3d, simple as.
Upgrade once 8000 series come out. For now 5600/5800x3d covers high and mid/low end
It's hard to justify an upgrade for me right now as an AM4 user. One day, sure, but for now the AM4 platform is performing so well. I just upgraded my CPU instead. If I was getting a full new PC then sure, I would go AM5 and spend the extra, as AMD have a good history of supporting a platform for a longer period. I'm hoping AM5 will also end up being a solid, longer term investment.
What CPU did you have and which one did you upgrade to?
I’ve had my Ryzen 3600/X570 system with 16GB of 3600 MHZ RAM and RTX2070s for 3,5 years and I’m deciding between either 5600 or 5700X for the upgrade.
@Irregular John I had two machines running 3600. One upgraded to 5600x the other to 5800x. They were both effective upgrades. On today's prices I think the 5700 is a better option than 5600.
@@Irregular_John I'd just go with the 5800x3d.
The problem with AM5 is that it has so much "bug" right now. If it isn't the motherboard itself, it is the connectivity to the CPU or the Ram. Honestly, I think it is better to get AM4 right now and wait for AM5 to settle down with more updates and clean ups before upgrading.
I haven't had any issues personally. 7600x, gigabyte b650 32gb ddr5 5600
There is no problem with AM5. The problem is those broke folks who try to justify everything and want to stick with a dead plaform (AM4) thinking that it would still be great in the next year or two, which clearly is not lmao.
Went from a 1700 to a good priced 5800x.
The only problem I have is I am running out of 16GB memory and fast m.2 slots.
DDR4 memory is almost the same price as DDR5 here, so I do not really want to buy 32GB DDR4 now as a band-aid and throw them out in 1-2 years.
AM5 will also double my game SSD speed and 5 times faster OS drive because of the faster M.2 slot instead of a Sata OS disk.
A lot to think about, pictures of burning 7800x3d and high VSOC voltages has paused everything for me for some time, until further tests and bios are ready.
Just don't use auto voltages if you set your XMP. Done in a few clicks and easy to test stability with things like Y cruncher.
@@Muldeeer With Asus choicing 1.3V manually gives around 1.34V at the chip, so some calculations are needed.
Gigabyte also has problems with overvolting and in some cases ignoring user settings.
Looking forward to upgrade my current build (5700 XT, 3700x & 2x8gb ddr4 @3733mhz) to an 6950 XT, 5800x3d & 2x16gb ddr4 @3600mhz.
Built my system with an x570 board back then just because I wanted to be able to simply swap out the CPU in the future & with the current prices I'm just waiting for the next sales.
the point of the x3d chips is that ram doesnt matter
I've had the same system since 2020. I want a complete new build either on black friday, or beginning of 2024.
Am I an upgrader or a long termer?
After selling my am4 build, I paid an extra 300$ for 7800x3d+b650e mobo and 32gb ram 6000mhz cl30. At the upgrade time, the 5800x3d costed more than 400$ where I live so…it was cheaper to get a new am5 build.
I had to pull the trigger since I'm interested to play at 1440p High-Ultra settings (with RT) at more than 100-120 FPS, so I had to switch to AM5 since I get a better experience in comparison to the most powerful gaming CPU in AM4 besides of productivity stuff. AM4 will be a worse option as new GPU comes out, I mean is already not good enough if you are planning to keep playing in 1080p/1440p at a really high refresh rate.
In a side note I'm "liking the AM5 platform", for example, my B650 AORUS ELITE AX has a really cool mechanism to put M.2 drives on it, which I found really nice to have, and then, something that really blown my mind was the inclusion of some kind of adapter for the front panel cables, that things were incredible to use. Also, the ability to use up to 3 NVMe drives without worrying about the PCI lanes, since all of them work nicely. I had some issues like a few boot loops, and today my PC wasn't working so I had to reconnect all my USB devices and it worked, not something that should be forgiven or accepted, but that's the early adopter stuff.
Do you feel any coil whine coming from your Gigabyte's VRMs?
I heard reports about it.
@@TheOdsystem nothing
I currently have a dell optiplex 7010, i5-3470, 32gb ddr3, 1tb ssd, 3tb HDD, and gt710 (2gb gpu). Used an NVMe and i5-10thgen at work for the first time and was shocked to see how much faster it was. I use my PC for my career, converting files, rendering/editing videos&audio, storing/transferring large files, etc. More creator applications vs gaming, but I like to emulate games on the weekend. I have the same question; to build a fulling loaded am4 for $1,300 or build a mid-range am5 for $1,500. My take - by the time I'm ready to upgrade again, pcie 5 will be a standard offering. (8 years or so) Spend a couple hundred more now and not have to upgrade for a while. The only thing I can see having to upgrade is an ethernet port to 5gb/s vs the 2.5gb/s am5 offers now, which can be done with a PCIe card at some point. Thoughts?
i have a 5800x since last year but a 2070 and need upgrade to 4080 or 7900xtx for my 2k and 4k screen
am5 now for 3k gaming....get the 7700x or 7800x3d?
The last PC I built was an i5 Ivy Bridge, yes it is that long ago.
Currently I'm building another since it died...I delidded it, put liquid metal as cooling, which I now regret.
And try getting a motherboard after such a long time.
The LGA 1700 will be replaced by the LGA 1851 socket.
AM4 already replaced by AM5.
To me, its a no brainer to just go with the new.
At least an upgrade path for the next few years, if I so choose.
So, currently waiting for the 7700 to arrive.
Went from 3600xt to a 5800x and loved it, however with with my 7900x on the am5 platform I have had nothing but inconsistency. Long boot times, ransoming crashing, missing drivers. This is the one gen where I can’t recommend amd at the moment.
I think it very much depends on your intended use case.
If you use your computer for WORK (graphics design, video production, etc.), you should upgrade. More performance = more productivity = more $$$. Your AM5 computer will pay itself off, sooner rather than later.
If you are building an ultra budget computer for as cheap as possible and you won't upgrade it ever, AM4 will be cheaper. AM4 cpus are gradually starting to go down in stock (but not price that much), so it's going to get harder to come across reliable upgrades, and it really won't be worth upgrading in the long run; by the time you are ready to upgrade such a computer, we'll be deep into AM5 where you have much more performance. But that requires spending more money, which is supposedly against the goal here
If you are building a longterm rig and you want to eventually upgrade parts or reuse the pc for other means, I wouldn't build a NEW AM4 computer. I'd go to AM5. If you ignore AM5 now and want to upgrade in 4-5 years, I think you'll regret still being on AM4.
Tbh if I build a computer today, by the time I'd be willing to upgrade it completely, we will probably already be on AM6 or AM7 (or whatever equivalent naming scheme AMD/Intel comes up with).
@@Dhruv-qw7jf So judging by how long we had AM4, that'd be like 15 years? xD
@@ElladanKenet @ElladanKenet yeaah.. i had my previous PC for about a decade and that was a low end i3 from 3 years ago at that point without any dedicated graphics. Pretty sure I would be able to manage an upper midrange AM4 CPU with external GPU for at least that long. That is if they don't die out on me before that.
Not really. More performance only equals more $$$, if you are limited by the performance of your PC, and not by anything else. Generally that kind of logic only works for server farms.
If you are a youtuber, will a PC twice as fast result in you uploading twice as many videos? Probably not. You probably won't see a big improvement in productivity from AM4 to AM5. A bit smoother video editing, a bit faster renders. It won't "pay for itself" unless your previous rig was a potato, but it may be worth the extra money if you can afford it.
You can just as well reuse your existing DDR4 memory now (unless, again, your previous rig was a potato) instead buying DDR5 in hope of reusing it 4-5 years later, so that argument just doesn't make much sense.
And AM5 will have to become more affordable in the future (at least if AMD plans to sell anything but its most expensive chips) so rather than regretting it, you'll be glad you waited, and don't have an overpriced 4-5 year old motherboard, that you plan on reusing, but it doesn't support USB-5, or any new features.
Is AM5 Stable yet ? - I have been holding off until I felt it would be a reliable option.
I have been led to believe AM5 Motherboards are still having BIOS problems that could make it an unreliable option ?
If there's no clear answer, it is best to spend small for now. Money is the better thing to keep compared to tech that you're not gonna use now. Mid AM4 aren't bad at all and there's still a lil bit of upgrade path.
I just recently bought a second hand 5600x and replaced my 3600X. I got new 4000mhz RAM and have my fabric cloth at 2000 and all core 4.65ghz at 1.156V needless to say this was a much better upgrade for the money versus getting an entire new build. GPU is a 3070 Ti but the VRAM problem is incredibly depressing. I'm hoping nvidia will use their new compression technology to allow nvidia RTX owners to process and compress game textures to allow less strain on the vram
AM4 is a solid choice if you're buying closer to the top of the stack. Below 8 cores the long term value picture starts getting fuzzy.
with cars and computers ,its basically always a better option to go with older models. I also think gaming pcs are like cameras in the sense that on a camera, the most beneficial component to invest in is overwhelmingly the lens and not the camera. you can put a 3000$ lens on an 18 megapixel camera and its going to shred an iphone. The same is true for Gpus imo. An am4 gpu with a current gen gpu like a 4070ti is going to blast through games for the next 5 years, even in 1440p. by the time your pc is getting winded by current gen games, theyll have am6 chips
I went to AM5 early because I got a work bonus and wanted to hop to the new platform before prices bottomed out on my used stuff. I feel like AM4 will be relevant for a while. I personally haven't had issues with AM5 after getting booted and updating my bios. It's been pretty smooth for me.
which cpu?
i wish i could say the same haha, i went from am4 5800x3d to am5 7800x3d, first off all with expo enabled at its rated speed 6000mhz i could not get windows to post i had to manually lower it to 5600mhz just to get to windows since then i have had bsods i am not running it without expo just at its stock speeds which are 4800 and its stable, i did buy corsair that wasnt on the motherboard qvl list so i wonder if i am one of the people thats hit unlucky and need a qvl kit i dont know but i am currently sending the corsair kit back and have bought some g.skill 6000 thats on the qvl so i pray that sorts it haha
@@va02gaming i have the gskill z5 6000 they work perfect
@@va02gaming how is it rn did you manage to get that thing running at 6k ?
@@ksweew7476 it got it running 6000mhz but the whole experience was very stutters in windows and games so I sent the motherboard back and sold the 7800x3d and went to i7 14700k I play at 1440p ultrawide anyway so the difference in fps small but so far I find the whole intel experience but smoother
I went with AM5 7800x3d for a new build since I was stuck on a old Intel platform i7-2600k (legendary chip for it’s time) That CPU lasted a decade for me lol. No question in my mind if I was leveraging the AM4 platform I would not be upgrading as the 5800X3D is such a bargain right now. My parts arrive tomorrow to begin this build and this old dude is excited. This time I went Team Red including the 7900 XTX.
Hope it worked out and you didn't have over volting issues or memory instability that a lot of people are reporting with AM5.
@@jmangames5562 Thank you for asking! The great news no issues at all. No doubt there was a bios issue that I was aware of with AM5 and this particular chip. When I did the build I just updated the bios and thankfully zero issues pertaining to voltage or memory instability. I have this paired with a 7900 XTX and I could not be happier with performance.
I just upgraded my 3700x to a 5800x3d, for the price of the 7800x3d, I bought a 5800x3d and a crucial p5 plus 2tb. Later in the year I'm going to upgrade my old 1070ti
I don't buy 1st gen platform, look at what happened with zen 1 and now with zen 4
How's the 5800X3D compared to the 3700X?
@@Ashurus I got nearly 100% gains on cities skylines on my save. From 25 fps to 50 fps.
Im gonna wait for the second gen am5, i recently got an AM4 b550 and a 5800X3D. I feel like if I wait maybe they will get some of the bugs worked out.
You guys are on my algorithm all the time these days, keep it up
I'm going to wait for a $600 AM5 budget build. I'm still using pentium g3258 w/ a xfx radeon gpu which I bought 8 years ago. Was planning on upgrading to 5600g this month but decided not to.
I think people should wait until the end of 2023 before they jump to AM5, black friday deals will come and who knows what deals will come, like for example, the ryzen 9 7900 non X could be less than 400 dollars which would be a great deal
or wait with your money to see how hard the gpu market gets hit between now and then, might get great deals on a gpu that will last years and can wait another years to upgrade or wait for next socket.
The problem with CPU upgrade is that the old CPU will end up doing nothing, or you would have to go through the hassle of selling it. It's not the case for upgrading to a newer GPU. You can slap in any kind of GPU onto any motherboard nowadays as long it's PCIe, long gone those days of AGP. You may have an AMD CPU laying around because you have just swapped it out for a new one, but you won't necessarily have another motherboard ready to pair it.
I faced this dilemma recently. My 8700k was getting too old and needed an upgrade, if I had bought AMD at the time I could have just slotted in a 5800x3d and been fine for a few more years, instead I needed a new CPU/mobo/ram.
Buying Intel this time would have given me better performance now but I decided to go with AM5 this time and bet on AMD supporting this platform for at least 4-5 years. So hopefully when it comes time for an upgrade I can slot a future 11800x3d into my existing system and be good for another few years.
I have 8700k too, thinking about an upgrade to 7800x3d, did you do the same?
oh you are me, do you also happen to drive a 1080 Ti?
@@the_mastermage i do
5800x3d is the play still or wait until the 7800x3d is $300; save hundreds and miss out on a few fps maybe.
There's been some really good bundles for a 7700x + mobo + 32gb ram for $500 if you keep your eyes out for deals
As someone already with a PC, I'm waiting on 14th Gen & Zen 5 to arrive with updated chipsets, motherboards and just better CPUs. My 5950x with 3600mhz Cas 14-16 RAM is doing just fine. I'm getting 7.5Gbs W/R on my pcie 4 ssds and I doubt it's significantly limiting my current gaming experience; playing games at 4k@60fps maxed out with my 7900 XTX either.
I don't like getting "too far behind". So, I'll dive into a new platform on the next tick tock go round. Compete for my $$ Intel & AMD. I don't want to see any insane power draw or burnt chips from either of you! 😅
motherboard prices kills this for everyone tbh and the cpu literally melting now lmao
Coming from an Intel platform so have no existing AMD parts. Using the Microcenter combo deals I wasn't able to price out an AM4 build that beat the special on the AM5 stuff.
Exampled: 5800X3D was at best just as much as the 7900X
I have been having these thoughts recently. I game at 2k or 1440p for a while now and have been running an MSI B450 Pro Carbon Wifi, Ryzen 3700X, Sapphire Nitro+ RX6800, and 16GB GSkill Neo 3600 CL16. I am considering upgrading to a low-budget AM5 or getting another 16GB of memory and a Ryzen5800X 3D for the next 2 to 5 years, maybe longer. I keep my custom PC builds for some time. I believe I am CPU-locked at the moment.
The CPU cost isn't an issue. High end 32GB 6000 cl30 DDR5 is $140 now. The problem is still the motherboard. $200 is a horrid price for a basic board that lacks any expansion slots.
But I keep boards for 10 years. I need a board that can be upgraded. So I went AM5. But that price...youch
Who is very tight will not ask this question am5 vs am4 but rather the person who can get a am5 with a 7600 will ask this to either be able to save the difference or put it against a better gpu...
Hi,
I am looking to buy/build a good budget-friendly PC. I have a monitor & other accessories like Monitor, HDD, etc...
My current budget amount is- 50-60K
Can you please suggest which build would be better? I am confused about Intel or Ryzen.
I am also looking for the latest motherboard & components that would support future upgrades for RAM, etc., and if I can install a good GPU on this same budget, that would be great. I am not looking for a very high-end PC or 1440p or 4K gaming rig. But would like to play recent games on decent fps/resolution
Please suggest some configurations for both Intel & AMD. Please help It's a request and please reply.
PC would be used for gaming & work
Thanks & Regards
IMO no real point in upgrading from AM4 to AM5, wait for AM6 I guess :P
I feel like i jumped the wagon too fast when it comes to DDR5 ram, as i went with G.Skill Trident Z 6000Mhz 16GB CL36 x4, and man.. I wish i had EXPO versions of those.
My AM5 build is amazing. So fast. I just wish I could diagnose this one super obscure problem. Everytime I turn it on, the first boot will ALWAYS BSOD. All the I/O will glitch out and constantly disconnect and reconnect. M.2 drives will drop in and out and everything connected to USB glitches up and the audio crackles and it's just a huge mess. Only happens after the first 10 minutes of it being on, or sooner if I'm running cinebench. Then after it "warms up" it will be stable as all heck. I cannot even attempt to get it to crash. Sometimes I have to hard power off the computer because during the glitchy part, one of the m.2 drives will completely disappear until a full power cycle but then it comes back like it was never gone.
At this point Steeve sounds like AMD Marketing team, while Tim is more neutral and non biased.
Here I am a year later, going from AM4 to STRX4. No plans to move to anything new for many, many years.
I still have an X470 motherboard and a 2600X. Just got my RAM upgraded to 32gb. Now I'm planning to upgrade to a 5700X (or 5800X3D if they get cheaper) for Flight Sim, gaming and work. I still have an RTX 2060 Super. I'm saving for a new GPU in 2 years. I'll wait for AM6 or something after AM5 since my system is still okay for more years. We'll see what the future holds. o7
Performance per watt wise the 5800X3D even beats the 7800X3D. And idle power also seems to be better with similar quality motherboards.
It really depends on what you want and need. But I do agree if you van afford AM5 with decent 32GB DDR6000 go for it.
But a friend of mine plays a lot of stellaris X3D is king there. The 5800X3D is 60% faster compared to the normal 5800X in that game. The AM4 combo was quite a bit cheaper the 7800X3D is still expensive but also the memory and board where more expensive. The 7600X and 7700X would have been slower in that game.
And now he has a nice MSI B550 Tomahawk with a good onboard audio chip that is way better compared to what 70-130 euro more expensive AM5 boards offer and he was able to upgrade his 280X to a 6700XT.
But now he is maxed out cpu wise but then again this will Probably keep him happy for the next 5 years anyway. And if you upgrade something it will probably be the gpu first.
Escape from Tarkov is also 60-70% faster on a 5800X 3D compared to 5800X with the same config. The worse the game is coded/written, the more you gain with the extra cache.
Why does everyone ignore the $85 a620 boards? Is there something wrong with buying a cheap board? Do they instantly break?
They are bare bones with few features.
No overclocking
Don't support gen 5 ssds
No wifi/bluetooth
Vrm and cooling can't be that good either just guessing.
I have 3 msi b550m pro vdh wifi mb's . new there 100usd and used 60usd. They have more features and cooling than the new am5 cheap Mb.
@@Tainted79 I get worried about that vrm cooling. They have no heat spreader on them.
I don't really care about gen 5 ssd. The difference between loading a game that takes an additional 10 seconds, I can wait. The overclocking seems like too much of a pain to learn about and do. I just want something that will last until at least a while into am6.
I am going to build my first gaming pc probably around this time next year, hopefully by then I can get the same equivalent motherboard you have for around $75 to $85. I am trying to keep the price under 500 dollars.There will also be a lot more used components, and probably cheaper better graphics cards.
@@bansheezs You want an Unlocked bios, especially if you have a socket melting hot CPU. You can undervolt with an unlocked bios. It might be important to you.
I build for today's needs. Dropping in a new CPU on a Windows system usually means all sorts of software licensing issues as well as the possibility of destabilizing a production system. I do increase RAM, add SSDs and upgrade video cards on the same machine periodically. There is nothing wrong with AM4 even for power users and it is a much better value. Just my take, there are always more than one side of the issue.
I have a Ryzen 9 5950 so I'm not upgrading that thing for a few years. My previous cpu was the Phenom II 😂
facts. i get mines paired with a 6950xt on a x570 xtreme board.
Ryzen 5 3600 wasn't available in 2017. 😆 BUT yes, there are nice B350 boards in 2017 when Ryzen was launched.
I will just wait until my next pc build in a few years to go for am5 mobo… plus newer tech (windows 11, new high end ryzen cpu’s, etc..) have their problems when it is brand new and usually takes a few months to a year or so to fix
Spend 300 for 6800x3d or spend 400 on am5 7700x , 32 gigs of ram and 650 mb?
I have 3600 and 6800xt so what’s the best route?
The elephant in the room is use case and early adopter concerns, not just budget.
There's no doubt that 7000 series line is significantly faster on paper than the 5800X3d. There's no doubt that it benchmarks better. There's no doubt that for frame chasers, there's a noticeable difference in high intensity workloads. There's no doubt that eventually the CPU will become a major bottleneck in common applications and that DDR4 will become a limiting factor.
But that's all synthetic. That's mostly benchmarks. That's all raw stats. And the elephant in the room is that as hardware and software get better, the actual difference between generations in real world use declines.
"But didn't the 7800X3d benchmark out as providing 20-30% more frames?"
In some games, yes, but we're talking at 1080p in most circumstances, and some of the games that provided that number in those cases are largely running in the 200-400 frame range depending on video card. As an autistic person, I can see 200FPS, but only barely. The average person? There's no way they're telling the difference between 120 and 200FPS. Not really, and even if you can tell the difference the actual impact to play is almost non-existent because as frame rate goes up, the difference between view and response diminishes. Diminishing returns is a significant factor we have to account for, and benchmarks tell the wrong story here.
What about getting limited at 4K? Well, most people aren't using 4K, and that's for good reason: We're not playing on 50-80 inch TVs across the room, we're playing on 24-30 inch monitors a foot or two in front of our faces. Diminishing returns again factor in here, and if I'm going to put compute power into optimization at this range, I get more return by turning up texture fidelity and resolution and engine upscaling to 4K than I ever will from trying to run a native 4K resolution and incurring that heavy cost. The latency impact from that is not that significant. 1080p and 1440p are, in all actuality, just fine with the bells and whistles turned on.
Windows boots in like 4-6 seconds on my 5800X3d. Most program loading is basically instantaneous, and once in a program everything is nice and speedy, even doing development work, database testing, and testing virtualization workloads. Compilation's reasonably fast. I haven't run into anything on my 5800X3d yet where I would say that we're anywhere close to having a faster chip producing a significant difference in outcome for my use case. I don't do video editing, and that is a place where I think a major difference might emerge.
But OK, maybe you're future proofing.
In exchange, you have to worry about your chip exploding, or maybe the frame on your chip bending because it's not designed for a modern cooler (looking at you, Intel)... the chip manufacturers are rushing now, and quality is going out the door as they chase cycles and push thermals up. I was in a situation where I had an AM4 motherboard and was ready to pull the trigger on current gen, and when I started to look at designs I knew there was stuff in the latest gen that was not QA'ed well. It just was just too much change too fast. I was ready to pay the $3k to build a current gen system like normal, but the thermal results, and some of the jank in the design methods just screamed "there be dragons." I've been doing this for 30 years and have developed a gut feeling for when the market is over-extending. If I didn't have the AM4 motherboard already (from a deal where I got a 3080 Ti a couple of years ago at MSRP) and good RAM and good storage, I might have been more inclined to experiment, but we should not wash over the risks of early adoption.
So 7000 series chips exploding because of poor voltage regulation is not a surprise to me. In fact, I'm glad for people who went that route this probably (mostly) has a BIOS fix angle to it. It could be (and might be) a lot worse down the line.
They WILL eventually get the bugs worked out, but that could take another platform leap (See: Pentium 4, Phenom).
But let's say they get it all worked out reasonably in a generation and we have good reason to believe that AM5 is reasonably solid. Well, there's a good chance that with those next gen motherboards, you're going to have new standards, technologies, and motherboard features. The dark reality in the room is that some of the recent chip-exploding news includes problems with current gen AM5 motherboards and bad voltage regulation. Not all of that is going to be in the BIOS, some of it's going to be in hardware deficiencies in motherboard design which will require a hardware shift. And some of those new features in next gen chips may require newer versions of PCIE or other buses to take full advantage of those new chips. New chipset revisions will likely come out, too.
So there's a not insignificant chance that that awesome future-proof motherboard you're buying because you don't want to have a bottleneck... will bottleneck you in some way you didn't expect. I've seen it over and over again. Again, diminishing returns, so maybe it doesn't matter as much as before... but we'll find out, and there will be newer motherboards then that have benefitted from maturity.
There's no right or wrong answer to this question, per-se. It depends on the use case. It depends on where you're starting from. It depends on your needs and the headaches you're willing to put up with. And games that require DDR5 to run reasonably or need more processing than a 5800X3d to be functional at reasonable frames at normal resolutions.... they're not right around the corner in most cases. There might be a few ports and newer games that will put strain on it, but anyone thinking that 2024 will be the year games become unplayable at high frames on an 5800X3d isn't being honest.
The question isn't about the answer, it's about the method... and the only right method for determining the system you want to build is your personal use case and whether that's working for you. PCs always obsolete, so guessing at the future is always a bit of a fool's errand. That leaves us with a lot of comparisons using numbers from 1080p frames in games like CS:GO where the difference is like 450 to 600 or something like that... and that's just meaningless. I don't even know why we're talking about performance uplift numbers from cases like that. It's completely meaningless.
There are higher chance and options to also get pcie gen 5 for gpu and ssd.
Ordered a $348 7800X3D, X670E Tomahawk $190 and 32gb 6000mhz CL30 $100 and planned to sell my X570 Asus TUF, 5900X and 64gb of 3600mhz. But then came across a $239 plus tax open box 5800X3D and opted to just go that route. Selling my 5900X for $260 so it was only about $3 out of pocket to move from 5900X to 5800X3D for 99% gaming use. Not sure how much it really benefited me though as I run almost 4k resolution (5120x1440p @ 240hz) which is 89% of the pixel count as 4k. Also only running a midranged 6900XT Asus TUF. I already have the build on a solid X570S MSI Edge Wifi with currently 4x M2 drives all running at full speed (3x gen4, 1x gen3 in an adapter). I'm very much GPU bound but do want to maintain 240fps when I can.
Ordered a more budget AM5 route with 7600, X670 Aorus Elite AX, 32gb 6000mhz CL30. After selling CPU, RAM and MB I am likely looking about $60-70 out of pocket. Yes performance is very similar to the 5800X3D but a better board, faster ram and better IPC 7600 for $60-70 more, why not. Do plan to OC the 7600 to 7600X levels of perfomance as I have a D15 w/ triple 140mm Noctua fans and excellent case airflow.
I say if your building a new system then yeah get am5 but if you already have a Ryzen 5600x, Ryzen 5700x. Ryzen 5800x, 5900x etc theres no need to upgrade.
It is all come to your expected performance at game resolution and fps, and your time spent on gaming, also how much is your earning. 3600 or even older cpu is still very competent to run a very basic gaming requirement at 1080p 60fps. I would say $200-300 used pc build is the entry price point to start with, then how much more money you're gonna spend to get your ideal gaming performance.
Of course, one nice thing about the 5800X3D is that you don't really need to upgrade your RAM, even if it's a bit on the slow side, such as 2933 MT/s CL 18 (though you probably do want 32GB). At the end of the day, an AM4 system with a 5800X3D and 32GB of RAM or an AM5 system with a 7600 or 7700X and 32GB of RAM are both excellent options with some pros and cost to go with each. The speed of the RAM you use with a non X3D CPU on AM4 or AM5 would matter more, but as long as you get RAM with a good balance of price and performance for the CPU you're using, a 5700X, 7600, or 7700X are all great value options for a system upgrade, and/or for a new system, right now. Personally, I would definitely side with Steve and say that if you're buying a whole new system (with motherboard and RAM) anyway, to pay more and go with AM5, and get either a 7600 or a 7700X.
While the 5600 is also a great value CPU, I don't mention it because I think that the time has come where a 5700X is likely to offer better value over the next 2-3 years. That being said, the 5600 still gives better value right now in virtually any game, and upgrading again to an 8-core CPU is probably not that hard for most people who are already willing and able to put together their own CPU in the first place.
Non 3D Zen cpus are very memory speed dependent, the 3D ones are less so. But that does not mean you get no performance out of faster ram with them (and it really depends on the game used). Especially matters for 1% low fps, not averages. Anyway, its not that hard to sell a half config if you go with AM4 and want AM5 later.
If you’re building your first pc then go am5 if your budget allows. If you already have am4 then I don’t think it’ll be that great of a jump esp with the cost replacing your already working am4.
Honestly, ddr5 & am5’s been dropping in prices and will continue to do so.. Built my first ever pc and went am5. Zero compatibility issues. Only issue I had was when I tried an amd 6000 series gpu with blackouts so I opted for nvidia 3000 series. Aside from that everything is smooth and fast af.
Gigabyte b650
7700x
32gb Tforce ddr5 6000mhz c30
3090fe
This will serve me for the next years to come. I only play 1440p 165hz rn and getting too much fps, so planning to buy 4k oled 120hz in the near future just saving up for it.
Im a warzone fan. If I have to build a pc right now in a budget but to run a 4070ti card, which build would you guys suggest for me to consider? Im more into FPS games but warzone is my fav right now.
After 5 years, I was still using i7-8700K just last week. Were I on AM4, I'd have only gone for the awesome 5800X3D, but from the 8700K to the 5800X3D I'd probably only see marginal gains, especially in the 1% lows of frames. I went with the 7800X3D so I hope to not make a huge upgrade for another few years…in case you're wondering-yes, I've upgraded my BIOS and am hopeful the CPU won't start a house fire 😅
Lol from the 8700k to the 5800X3D marginal gains hahaha omg lived under a stone I recon ;-)
even 9700k is weaker than 5600x and 5800x3d eats it for breakfast and then some.
@@M00_be-r yep, marginal based on all the videos I'd watched…and a dead platform for both, hence investing in the 7800X3D. Wanna do my accounting too?
@@whysoseeryus3053 for gaming, yep
@@ralphmiranda2077sounds like someone is coping about their bad investment, LOL.
It all comes down to budget and what you need the PC for. For example, I plan to build a PC for Blender (3D animation, modeling e.t.c.) so for me, it would make more sense to cut some costs from the rest of the PC build and invest as much as possible to the GPU (provided that I get a CPU that won't bottleneck the card). I'd rather have a DDR4 system with RTX 4070 than a DDR5 with RTX 3060 (due to budget limitations). Not to mention that even this DDR4 system is far superior to the PC I already have.
4:18 Except for boot times lmao. In that regard its way slower. Not paying for more money for worse performance.
If you can wait then switch to AM5 when the Zen5 cpus come out. What is really appealing on AM5 is the 64GB DDR5 option with 2 modules (ok, overkill if you are only gaming) and the PCIe5 support for GPU (useless atm). PCIe5 for SSD is nice but still to expensive and still in early development on the SSD side. But I see still room for improvement in the chipset and the mainboards build around them. I don't need the last fps atm, so I will stay with AM4 and wait what will happen in 2024.
In Poland NEW am4 is 2 times cheaper than am5, so for the price of am5 cpu+mb+ram i can get full comlplete am4 system with rx 6600 gpu... (5600+b550+ram+storage+psu+case+gpu)
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My problem is that I want to upgrade from a R7 3700x. Do I want to upgrade to a 5800x3d? Or just move on to the new AM5 ecosystem? One is much more expensive than the other as upgrading to AM5 will require all new and more expensive components.