As I’ve grown older I’ve fully given up on making my pc look fancy. I like the black box with clean cables and great airflow. No RGB no water cooling, just pure simplicity
I've never really been into that "rgb fancy". I did try to make my setup a bit nicer when I turned 15 (replaced stacks of books and set-top boxes with a proper triple-monitor VESA mount, cut some holes into my desk for cable management, etc.) But the computer underneath was a plain black box for a really long time. I replaced it recently, so now it has a red stripe on the front, but that's it.
Jay's channel always leaves me feeling like he really cares about his viewers. Like he's really putting in the effort to make sure none of us get ripped off.
@@warking4257 Cool theory, but wrong. Not everyone is looking for "high end". Budget is a bigger market than high end. Steam statistics show most people aren't gaming on high end computers.
Yes! It’s tough when you’re seeing all these crazy builds and new CPU reviews from Phil, Jay, & Linus, but especially if you’re doing your first build it is 1000% ok to start cheaper and smaller (and just live vicariously through them to see 3D Mark numbers or something)
@@blai5e730 Check out his stealth builds. It's a difference of having a game PC for fun personal gaming vs streamer gaming which he does. Plus he is big on water cooling which now is not really necessary unless you want to show off or a silent PC.
@@JohnCiaccio - It was being hyperbolic. I have 2 water cooled builds, one with a 9900k and SLI'ed 1080TIs and the other is a 12900k/3090 in a Hero Z690. I did have a laugh regarding the fans though as I use Lian Li AL120's and Corsair ML120 Elites.
Big takeaway: Don't let your consumerism habits / thinking patterns get the best of you---keep them at bay. The better you do that, the happier your wallet and experience will be when upgrading your systems. (Saved me from going overboard and sinking in excitement, thank you)
people need to be very very very careful. those tech companies have people (not just one) who learn psychology for life, and their only job is to manipulate you to spend money on some bs.
why? People who like buying shit, getting obsessed over how the shit looks are just this way. Like, I can tell someone they are idiots for buying shiny crap, all that RGB bullshit, ruining the market for everyone else who wants functional quality things, but they will simply say that they like it, it's simply that they like it. And I totally understand. Like, who am I to say you're stupid for collecting physical media, buying expensive art, buying a mechanical watch, smoking, etc. etc.... But if someone thinks they've been brainwashed to buy all that shiny shit, well, they are morons. They can't think for themselves. So no point in trying to educate them, because all you'd be doing is pushing your point of view, and they would still be none the wiser.
@flowerofash4439 it's not just tech companies, most of the biggest companies in most industries are constantly figuring out ways how to manipulate consumers to spend more $$
Just to let you know, the DDR5 timestamp is incorrect, a correct one would be 14:30 I clicked it and thought it was a joke from your part because he doesn't talk about DDR5 thinking "is this a joke because it's still not out yet?" With that said I've been in a cave for the past few months regarding pc stuff so you don't need to tell me it's out, I know...now, been forever since it was announced
I'll add my notes from 2 of his videos: RAM 3000 mhz or 3200 mhz (instead of more mhz) ddr4 (instead of new ddr5) PCIE4 (instead of PCIE5) CPU with 4 cores, or 8 cores for gaming (midrange)
@@millanferende6723 Using CL14 or 16 3600MHz will boost you a lot especially with Ryzen cpus, especially over some 300MHz kits, and especially dual rank. And the whole core thing is not very relevant, it depends on the overall capabilities of the cpu rather than core count. It's better to check benchmarks than to choose based on core count. You wouldn't want Ryzen 5 1600 6core over an i3 12100 4core.
This guy is my first stop when researching any gaming computer topic, and it's gutsy to critique an industry that you are part of, appreciate the honesty.
I'm in the process of building a new rig and Jay has been giving me sound information, since the last PC I built was in 2013-2014. I didn't skimp out either: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X, ROG Strix B650-A, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Gaming OC w/ 8GB GDDR6X, 32GB DDR5 5600MHz CL36, 2TB WD Black SN770 M.2 SSD, Corsair RM850 power supply in white, Arctic 240mm AIO, all packed neatly into a Fractal Focus G case, also in white.
Just finished my pc rebuild. You were so much help. It's smoking fast and runng cool. Thanks to you I saved tons of money I don't have. Keep up the great work.
I agree that the upsale on cooling is absolutely insane these days. At some price points, I can literally buy a dozen fans for the price of a premium RGB of the same size.
I have learned the hard way that you don't want to cheap put on 200mm fans 😶 The really cheap ones are LOUD. But yeah you don't have to go overboard for sure.
As for me, I've learned that I've most enjoyed spending excess money on the peripherals - Quiet fans that I don't hear, a nice computer chair, a mechanical keyboard with switches that I like the sound and feel of, a mouse that fits my hand, nice speakers, a good camera, a wireless doc for my cell phone, a good monitor. Basically, it's all the things I come into contact the most, but don't consider, when building a PC that I'm going to use for the next 7 years.
Yeah it’s actually hilarious when I think about it. I had to really convince myself to splurge on computer parts. In the end I didn’t even need a computer that fast. But I for some reason have no qualms purchasing a peripheral that’s insanely expensive. Something like the happy hacking keyboard with a heavy grail metal case and custom keycard. Or a pointless 150 dollar lemo connector sleeved and coiled cable. Ends up costing as much or more than the computer. Lol
@dj Kplus I used my Logitech MX518 V1 at least for 15 years. I changed to a different one a couple years ago, but not because it broke. I can still plug it in and it works fine.
I agree with the RGB. I wanted a system with 0 RGB but that is literally impossible to find once you pass a certain price point. So all my RGB is just white for a clean look.
@@humanity_3 Well I think that choosing a motherboard because it doesn't have RGB is as bad a reason as choosing one because it's drenched in unicorn puke. Most motherboards I've used that had RGB also had someway to turn it off without having to install any software. Currently the only thing with RGB I can see is the mouse. That one I dialed back to a very discrete blue that matches the light on my keyboard that only has that blue back light. I think there's RGB on the graphics card, but I'm not sure as the case has a solid steel side. No window or anything like that. As I'm constantly looking at what's available in case I or someone I know would be looking to build a new computer I feel a bit frustrated by the lack of cases without massive RGB and side windows or TG side panels. Thing is I'll never build a computer for myself that's intended to be a spectacle. Besides I've seen several computers where the TG panels has been cracked or smashed. It's just something I don't feel I want in any way shape or form. I'm perfectly happy with a solid panel instead. Unfortunately with a few exceptions case manufacturers simply doesn't make their better designs available without excessive RGB and TG side panels. And the cases that are available with solid steel panel versions are often very hard to find, and sometimes you have to buy the steel panels separately adding to the cost of the case. I've been playing with the thought of just spray painting the inside of any TG panels when I build my next computer. But even that goes against my philosophy as it would be an added cost for no other reason than making the case look solid. Fortunately simple fans without a single led are still easily available as is HSF and AIO CPU coolers, and yes they tend to be cheaper than the RGB and ARGB versions.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Be Quiet! Makes a really good case called the Dark Base Pro 900 with an option for a TG or solid metal side. I use the TG side version because I like looking at my water cooling components
I love when new tech comes out because "last" gen gets extremely cheap and gets insane value. especially if its a generation switch like DDR5 and PCIe 4 or 5.
Has this ever happened with motherboards, graphics cards and processors I have seen ram, storage stuff get cheaper but I myself haven't seen the main hardware get cheaper on the first hand market
@@aidenyeager5066 yeah, like he mentioned in the video about motherboard pricing, it seems like they've been jacking the prices up on them while not discounting last gen. I don't understand these high end boards at all, they seem to exist to justify higher prices on the base models, I can't imagine they are selling very many in the $400 and up range.
@@pauldavidson9267 seems like a guy like me can't dream of getting good hardware. Even if I wait years for current hardware's price to go down I'll most likely be slapped in the face with a price increase instead Like how even a shit GPU like 710 went up in price like $10-$15 (in the first hand market of course, 710s go cheap in the second hand market)
@@aidenyeager5066 sure does, bought a 9900 when the 11th series launched got the KF SKU dirt cheap and processor is still decent compared to current gen stuff. For GPU's you just get the top cards and flip them every year or so staying on top of it is cheaper because price degradation increases with time.
When I started rebuilding my pc last month, you became the main guy I relied on for the most up to date and factual information. You have yet to let me down. Thank you for always giving the best info
unbiased opinions based off of a "do what you want" mentality, are usually just called facts. too many people try to say these videos are opinionated. Especially based off a sponsor. You cant buy a review from a big name, just by sending them parts. You have to send good parts, to get a good review. Confident companies send stuff out, and we end up with reviews from channels like this
4:42 Large coolers on midrange cards do help in regions with room temperature above 30°C, which is more commonplace than you think. Temps on GPUs ain't always about power consumption. Even with good airflow, low end 3060Tis tend to hit 80°C easily during summer where I'm from. Room temp can hit 36°C easily.
Preach! I say the same stuff to my friends and others in discussions all the time. Everyone online is such an elitist and it's so draining. Everyone is clout chasing and wants to have the best and be the coolest. The first two questions I ask when helping someone are; "What are you tying to do on it?" and "What is your budget?". Thank you for trying to humble some people online. It's much needed.
same thoughts, especially on so called PSU tier lists, thats how the market got crap like ROG Thor and people defensive of absurd innovation must know that if I am calling ROG Thor crap, its a really good crap that high end pc elitist seem to enjoy
I genuinely got upset when the cheapest RAM within my chosen parameters had RGB. Same with my CPU cooler, the only reason it has RGB is because it was the only confirmed LGA-1700 compatible, CPU cooler under $120 available at that time. RGB can absolutely visually enhance a system, but only if it's designed with that in mind. In a mostly solid black case with some mesh it just becomes an annoying distraction.
Once i ended up having a red/black scheme on all my components. Wasnt planned out, but with the pricing and performance I ended up with those exact components. Kinda funny if you think about it.
@@rebelonionfn With all due respect, why not just save money and disable the RGB on the cheaper parts? Many of my components (RAM, mobo, GPU, fans) have RGB built in, but I just turned it off and called it good.
Second that notion. I hate RGB, in fact if I wasnt FORCED to run LED on my pc I would clip each individual power line to them and run it totally blacked out besides the cpu cooler with the lowest possible light option " to indicate the damn thing is even cooling." I hate it. Why do we need a RAVE PARTY which is sucking up power and helping contribute to additional light pollution in our homes ? Why is RGB control a PREMIUM option and I have to shell out more money just to turn the f things off? Why is it the software and control modules are so finicky that it wont even remember that I turned it off half the time. It is unnecessary and totally frustrating for people . . . I have a matching color scheme inside AND simply dont want the lights to go with it. LED and RGB use to cost a premium and now it is the inverse? IT IS MADDENING.
Stop wasting your money on this stuff: 2:00 1. PCIe Gen 5 - Current GPUs don’t come close to saturating Gen 4, no consumer grade products fully supported yet 4:40 2. Large Coolers on Mid-Range Graphics Cards - Your 3060 Ti with gddr6 memory doesn't need a 450w cooler, AIBs are using these to overcharge 7:37 3. Excessive Power Phases on Motherboards - Most consumers come nowhere near requiring this except in niche use cases when trying to push OCs as high as they can. Nice to have but not a necessity. 10:25 4. Expensive High Core Count CPUs - manufacturers pushing core density rather than speed, 4C8T with hyper-threading is enough to meet the demands of the average consumer/gamer 14:12 Common sense point - consider opportunity cost and spend more on what has the most impact for your use case. For gaming, it may be better to spend less on the CPU/motherboard and allocate more of your budget towards the graphics card 14:30 5. DDR5 - doubling of data rate/speed isn't worth it at current prices for the average consumer unless they're doing something that uses a lot of system memory 17:00 6. Expensive Fans - Look at performance gains to price, performance and reliability of the fan ultimately relies on the bearing type. 19:13 7. RGB - RGB should not be a deciding factor when purchasing components
One key take away from my end is "NEED TO HAVE" Vs "NICE TO HAVE" comparison is must when we buy some new hardware. Thank you Jayz for another great video.
The reason I like Jay is because his recommendations are more realistic and down to Earth. Not a fan of the "must have the best" hype other channels push their viewers to buy. Just figure out what you need from your PC and build accordingly. I've seen so many people buying the highest spec components and crazy things like 64GB RAM for a UA-cam and Facebook machine. More people need to watch Jay videos to have more realistic goals building their PCs.
There are other channels like Toasty Bros, Nerd on a Budget, Tech YES City, and OzTalksHW that have also been showing down to Earth and affordable builds. Most of which are at least under $500.
@@willn8664 Yes but those are very small in comparison to Jay. The problem is LTT is huge but willingly steering PC builders towards most expensive and most powerful models without explaining what each component does and how much power you need for your use. A gamer will not need 64GB of RAM nor 12 cores CPU. Gamers need powerful single core CPUs more than core 12 with 3.5GHz. Linus is a rich tech snob who only knows the most expensive is the best. His entire channel shifted towards the fancy stuff instead of helping the common people. The "tech tips" part became more like a fancy tech brag. Who the hell is going to buy a $900 router? Not even rich people would go for that. Then he started talking nonsense about apartment people loving this thing as if they can afford it. Maybe they'll love it in 10 year or more. 5GHz routers are still in the $300 range despite the technology remaining unchanged.
It's hard to know who to trust anywhere & especially in the PC business but JayzTwoCents is that guy. He puts out videos that could be detrimental to his business & profitability but has the moral character to do it anyway. I always take what he says as near gospel. You're the real OG Jay.
This video proves why Jay is a powerful and reliable voice and mind in the tech-space. He hits us with the realness we all need; tells us peons if we really need that shiny stuff that we always see them play with. The crucial questions. Is that feature a need? or a nice to have? Do you need it to be stable? or are you okay with adapting to the quirks of new-gen tech?
But, shouldn't he be practicing what he preaches then? Oh, that's right! He can't. Why? Because he's under contract with these manufacturers/vendors to help market the products that they send him to "review". Do he not have 8+ Lian Li UNI fans in that Specter case? Do he not build these "over the top" PC's to tug on the viewer emotional urge to buy buy buy? He's a YT "influencer". And his job is to influence the audience. I believe that some people that make videos for the "less fortunate" is from having a guilty conscience.
Yea except I recently upgraded from a 7600k to a 13600k and the core difference is SO huge, 4 cores I could barely play a game newer than 2019 and it would bottleneck my GPU because of it, a cpu of the 7th gen is probably worst case scenario I would say because it got outdated after just barely 3 years. Didn't mean to shit on your CPU, I loved my 7600k, but we probably use our CPUs for completely different things but in my case intel really fucked me up with 7th gen
@@sarcosmos7623 The 4c4t on the 7600k is REALLY slow, modern games moved past that ages ago, it would totally max out at 100% usage in any game I played, and if I tried to squeeze in some background programs?,nah buddy.. So yeah, for me, the core difference is huge. Have you tried Warzone 2 & BF on a 4c4t?
you just don't need all the new bells and whistles for most games. It's nice to have some of them so that other things can happen and you don't ever notice a performance lag for background tasks, but the 12 series chips are the first chips in a while that actually show improvement. I've been waiting for ddr5 to become fully supported and useful before I even think of upgrading.
I feel totally validated as someone who usually waits a couple of years to buy something "new" like the rig I bought a few months back would have cost 4 times the amount just two years ago and it does a fine job for what I need, basically some games and an entertainment centre. I really enjoy this channel and the tips are super useful for someone who used to be into PC's heavily about 10 years ago and just started to get back into it. Things have changed and you explain it so well. Thanks.
Yeah, and these days it's not even that bad to be a generation or 2 behind. Unless you have to game at 4k ultra a decent 30 or 20 series or something will run most games just fine.
@@zwenkwiel816 Honestly I'm happy at 1080p. I have a 4K TV but it looks glorious to me at 1080p! I started out with an Atari 2600 and the graphics of today are a tiny bit better. Easy to be ungrateful and always want more but I'm honestly fine with the extra money sitting in my bank.
Whenever someone comes to me and wants advice on buying or building a computer, I have 3 questions that I ask: 1) How much money do you want to spend? This is one of the few industries out here that you get what you pay for, (well, it USED to be anyway). 2) What are you going to use the computer for? It makes no sense to spend a crap ton of money to get the latest and greatest only to surf the net and do e-mail. And, in my opinion, the most important question: 3) What are you going to use this computer for 5 years from now? If you have to upgrade your system in less than 5 years, then you bought/built the wrong system to begin. I've used this standard since I started building systems back in the 90's and I haven't had ONE customer/family member have a problem with their systems or upgrade paths.
@@slactweak Your '1)', while being spot on, often got me into a conversation that would go something like "well I don't know how much they cost so that's why I'm asking" "Ok. But I'm betting you're well aware that there are $500 and $2500 systems and a few in between at BestBuy, right" "yeah, but I don't know the difference..." "so you're asking a question of which you kinda know the answer to. now, if you're expecting me to work some magic in that I can build the $2500 alienware for the price of the $500 HP then I think you have an issue with expectation management" "but the system you build for $500 would be better than the $500 i could buy, right" "enough you'd notice any difference? no. look... I don't find it worth my time to play around with $500 builds because they're really uninteresting. I am uncomfortable playing with $2500 builds because I lack the backing of owning my own custom PC business should things go wrong. I really don't want to at-all risk having to tell you your PC will be delayed, possibly multiple times, while we wait on an RMA. we're back to that whole 'expectation management' thing. sorry" "fiiiiiiiine" Now that I'm an electrician with a good number of years it goes something like "so... I need a computer. you still know how to build them, right?" "I would rather crawl around in your attic and remodel you in a complete up-to-code smoke detector system right now, in July, in the late afternoon" "for free?" "ehhh... no. so what's the budget for your computer?" "$700" "mmm hmmm. I can fit a smoke detector system in that budget" "huh? wait a minu...." "and if you cheap-out on your computer it might very well burn up. gonna need that smoke detector system. think of your family" "nevermind"
Part of my addiction in building PCs was being able to build a gaming powerhouse that could do virtually all of what you can get from the highest end parts for a fraction of the cost. One of the difficulties at the moment is that currently budget and mid range stuff = last gen. We're only getting very high end/ high cost parts on next gen. It's far less exciting to build.
I have always been a Mac user but have become fed up and considering attempting to build a PC for things like MS Flight Sim and XPlane. Is it difficult to get the system programs up and running? I know I can build it but doing all of the OS and BIOS systems up and running (properly).
@@AllenPortman-n1d Well, I've been using Windows my entire life, both personally and professional as a programmer, so a question like "Is it difficult to get the system programs up and running" seems really extravagant. It's like me asking you: "Is it difficult to get the system programs up and running on a Mac?"... I mean there's nothing simpler than that if you are used to it.
This video helped me alot. Im gathering the parts for my first build. I only have the PSU and graphics card so far. Both are highly regarded and well reviewed and took out more than half my budget. But im learning and being patient. Thank you for the solid advice and expertise you dish out. Its helps people more than you know.
@@christinaedwards5084 I know for sure. I'm very close, almost done. One more week of patience. Then it's PC gaming awesomeness. Mostly it was taking time to learn a lot of info that I was missing, and making it financially doable.
My PC is the result of my inner child that screams "BUT I WANT THIS!" not having an inner adult that simply walks away with the child dragged behind...
I cant help but think a lot of this stuff does stem from the youtube tech influencers and such. People are going to emulate what they see these people doing. Like Jay ripping on RGB with his whole RGB setup in the background. All the UA-cam people doing these Gucci builds and people want to emulate that.
THIS! I love these videos, Jay. Bless you for cutting through the "SHINY!!" and helping people get what they NEED. I'm still rolling a 2700X on a TUF B450, 32GB, and until just recently I had a 1070Ti. I'm not a bleeding edge performance guy, and I NEVER do a complete rebuild, opting for crawling through upgrades a few parts at a time. I was holding on RTX through 20-series because it wasn't matured yet, and then GPU-pocalypse hit. I only NOW just picked up a 3070Ti FTW3 for retail cost because I waited. I'll probably either go final-gen AM4 when it gets cheap after AM5, or I might bite the bullet and leap to AM5 once I find out more about longevity. Carefully considered and planned upgrades have always been my favorite way to grow.
A 3070ti would go great with a 5700X. I got a 3080 ftw ultra and a 5800X. Runs great. I’d wait before jumping on the new gen as it always gets better down the line ;)
Im basically in the same boat as you. 2700x on a Asrock Steel Legend and a 1070. Just ordered a 6600xt and that's probably where my upgrade path ends for awhile.
this is the smart way to do it. you've probably saved a lot of money this way. I have a similar cost-limiting approach but with one major difference: I really don't like the hassle of upgrading and tinkering with a build constantly, so I aim to have a high-end beast that lasts me at least 5-6 years with minimal interference. but the philosophy is the same: select the right parts at the right prices that offer maximum performance to cost and last as long as possible. it also helps that I don't really care how my PC looks, it will always be a black box out of sight.
This has been the case since the 90's. Pushing new tech upgrades, but waiting for a year and a half for the adoptions to start showing up supporting the new tech. It's an endless cycle that never changes. JayzTwoCents, don't ever change, I love your videos! If only you were a politician, we would vote for you, because of your honesty to the public.
I am building a new high end PC and have made it a point to get everything without RGB. I don't need a night club. I will be looking at the nice framerate not at my case.
This advice is such a breath of fresh air amidst the torrent of rah-rah techno hyper-consumerism that many tech channels and web sites promote. Suggestion for the list of things to not waste your money on: Gaming mice that claim 25000 DPI and 8 KHz polling rates, among other absurd specs.
I've used higher end mice but I'm now using a Logitech M100R workhorse - or workmouse :). At a fraction of the cost, it serves me just as well for all purposes. The fact that it's fixed at 1000dpi rather than being upwardly variable to some absurdly high number makes zero difference to me, in practice. Admittedly, I'm not into fast paced competitive gaming, and those who are might consider me an ignorant philistine :)
@@fred_2021 I've mostly used the crap $5 mice that came with my PCs (Dell, HP, etc.). Last year, I finally decided that I would treat myself to a gaming mouse -- not for the gaming features, but just to get something with better quality and ergonomics. I was willing to spend $100 or more on the "best" mouse, but I ended up getting a $50 Logitech G502 and, other than wishing it were a little bigger to fit my hand better, it's all I could want in a mouse. I do like the variable DPI, but I use settings between 1200 and 3000 DPI, not the 16000 (or whatever) it's capable of. I agree with you that the higher-end mice *might* have some benefit for professional gamers, but for 99.9% of people (including myself), even the G502 is way overkill.
@@code8986 It's satisfying to use quality items, though. I'm a Logitech fan - I used their cheapie K120 for years. Finally went mad and got my G813. Solid and booti-ful :)
Yeah i love the g305 and g604 as a daily(former g700s). Logitech g hub is too good of a program comparatively to SS or razer...and its supported programs/custom hotkey/profiles including aspects like photoshop, or making photoshop macros on the g604. Even my blue yeti mic can access BLUE software etc through g-hub which is nice....Compared to a steelseries equipped msi laptop that has SS software+ logitech+razer(keyboard)....XD....yes i infact HAVE ran all 3....by virtue. And yes its as terrible an experience as you would imagine.
Well, if that's the case then shouldn't he request the "budget friendly" mobo's/CPU's/GPU's from these manufacturers for review to show the viewers instead of reviewing the the "top of the line" mobo's/CPU's/GPU's? By him saying this is one thing but by him doing it is another.
One question I'm always asking is "What do you want to do with it?" I can remember so many cases of fantastically over-powered machines used by people who are basically browsing. But beyond that basic level, the question is important to me because I'm not a gamer, but I am a video editor. So, I'm paying attention to processor, RAM, and a fast SSD as well as the parallel-processing aspects of the video card, not so much on FPS or other gaming metrics (looking more at workstation cards as opposed to gaming cards).
This. Very particular things 95% of people don't need: Bloated modern operating systems and gamer-caliber hardware to be able to run them. It is sad though that also websites have become horribly bloated, unnecessarily requiring overkill hardware for daily tasks. Plus, those very same websites tend to utilize those completely frivolous crappy state-of-the-art web technologies requiring newest-or-almost browsers, and there are few choices of them, all horribly bloated too.
90% of anyone using a PC can get by with a laptop with something like an i3 10110 and never have any problems. 95% can get by with a decent APU like R5 4300 It's only maybe that last 5% of users that need anything more.
A guy at a store tried to get my mother who'd browse facebook and maybe watch netflix a 1500$ laptop...Luckily I informed her before hand to not by anything before she checks with me. That's so disgusting to me because she doesnt understand it so the guy tried to exploit it.
Thank you for all your content. It's really nice to see someone tell it like it is. I haven't built a new since 2012 with an AMD A6-5400K Dual core on a AsrockFM2A78M Pro3+ board. It still runs to this day. It is a little sluggish with the newer games like Subnautica and OSIRIS but it is not to the point where i wanted to upgrade. Now with VR and the newer games i am forced to upgrade. Your video helped me decide what i wanted to upgrade to. Thanks for the help, even though this video is 11 month old.
One trap I feel I might be falling into myself is trying to buy silenced everything. Silent fans, silent coolers, silenced case etc., all the while planning on using mid-to-low range components that won't draw that much power, and so are probably not even going to generate enough heat to need noisy cooling in the first place.
A friend of mine went down the same way as you, the only difference is, he has a pretty toasty GPU. Now he lives with the sound dampening front plate removed from his case otherwise his system suffocates.
@@CezarHernandez 😂 thats great honestly i kinda was like this on my first build but i learned after that i like better temps so i tend to be a bit aggressive on fan curves so i quit all that junk got a mesh case and some be quiet! silent wings 3 high speed version fans and boy am i happier than ever its never noticeable over my fan in the room lol
If you want silence, don't spend on "silent" fans... Spend on a custom loop instead. There is something to be said for a system that is completely quiet at anything below full load.
It is all about heat output. The more power the more heat, therefore more cooling and larger cases. There are great guides online and videos on how to choose components to minimise noise to an acceptable level without blowing the budget.
I like this video because it's educating people on how to not unknowingly over spend. There are so many videos where people are showing so many sick builds but not educating people on what is needed based on what your doing. I am an IT professional who usually builds something every 2 years or so. I just replaced my cougar conqueror case build with one using the Thermaltake P90 case. On my latest build I bought the corsair i150 GPU cooler with LCD ($289 plus tax) is over priced especially since I did not need a liquid cooler just wanted it for the screen and the look. I know I over paid to get the look I wanted. Knowing over paying is different from buying something you think you need and paying way to much for it and unknowing overpaying for something sucks. Glad your educating people who need to know the difference on what the difference is. Keep up the good work
My wife and I live in state without Microcenter, so finding graphics cards was tough. We were in a state with one, and she wanted a mid range card. The best deal we could get was a Strix 3060, which definitely is overkill, but the next step up of available cards were 1,000+ dollar cards😭 Sometimes you gotta get what you can get
Gotta think, maybe... just maybe it will last you longer ? Probably not though. I bit the bullet on a 3070 and now they're already talking about 40 series cards. Lol.
I got an AMD RX6600 for pretty cheap a month ago. The prices came down another $20 since I bought it but it's still a pretty nice GPU with significantly less markup than an RTX 3060 (which is the nearest Nvidia equivalent). Yeah I know raytracing performance isn't as good but I don't really need that so...
I drive past Microcenter literally every day on the way to work, and guess what! It's STILL tough to find graphics cards. 😄 At least the ones you want.
Best advise NEVER jump on the first round of a new platform. As someone who does Blender animations on a Ryzen 9 3800X the new AM5 stuff looks sweet but I will wait till in matures a bit.
100% agree, a better upgrade is a used 5900x or 5950x and get a noticible improvement in blender. If I was building a friend a new build I'd get them a 5600 because it will cover most people's work loads
Assuming AMD supports AM5 the same way they supported AM4, I could see buying a slightly more pricey board with pcie gen 5 so as to not need a mobo upgrade a few years from now when gen 5 might be a nice thing to have. Once again assuming they don't go the Intel route of effective only 1 cpu generation supported by mobos.
I just remembered that all the chipsets for the new AM5 socket are going to have a gen 5 storage slot which is the thing that's going to be useful first. That makes my above point kinda moot since GPUs aren't going to need more than gen 4 anytime soon.
@@tilapiadave3234 you sound like a Intel fangoy nobody here said they are a amd fanboy Just out here fighting nothing shut up anyone that favors one over the other bc of the brand are idiots
I wanted 16gb DDR5 with a 12700K but after looking it up I ended up getting 32gb DDR4 with a 12600K and I have no regrets. The money I saved helped me get a 3070ti faster.
Nice! I just upgraded from an i5 2500k (DDR3) so I wanted to go all in and went with an i7 12700k and 32Gb of DDR5. It made little sense to me to upgrade to DDR4 when DDR5 is already out.
My son who works for me turned me on to your channel. We do IT work. I have a higher end music studio and you are SO RIGHT about single core. When I am maxing my CPU for VST (Virtual Intruments) they mostly tax the single core capability. They also run in RAM (which is why I have 48GB RAM). So, when building I focused on that and as you stated, the guys obsessed with multi-core specs find their CPU spiking on large VST instruments and samples and wonder why. Homework homework homework. STOP HYPE STOP HYPE Good work sir, I hope people listen.
Hi, I am finding the same problem running VSTs and am about to increase my RAM to 32 GB for that reason. I was wondering what sort of PC allows you to run 48 GB ? DO you keep your VSTs on an internal or external SSD? What sort of processor works best for DAW? Yours curious at.
I love that Jay always says, I tell you something, but it's only my opinion, my point of view, my experience. But go on and check other UA-camrs, forums, inform yourself and build your own experience. This is what our world needs, adults that actually educate themselve and not just believe everything someone says. Not only in fancy computer stuff or things like that.
yeah quad core systems are getting long in the tooth which means a 8 core is all the power you need 10 12 16 or more cores just a waste of money for now
@@jesh879 yeah the cpu makers just put more cores into the cpu to try and get suckers to buy them like amd now making 24 core cpu's the new main stream cpu cause 16 wasn't overkill enough
What pisses me off is that sometimes, no RGB stuff is more expensive than stuff with RGB, and its harder to find. No, I don't want my PC to look like a children's toy and I have to pay more for it apperantly
@@Napoleon_Blownapart Personally I like RGB but I completely agree with you , if you are paying more for RGB , then it makes sense to buy without RGB. You can turn it off but you spend more on RGB , this is something we have to hope companies will understand. Not everyone like RGB lights. Even tho I love RGB , there is point where it gives me severe OCD. I would go as far to put black tape on my monitor green light or power bar red light because I get easily distracted , but now I'm used to it and RGB should be more of personal choice than forced on any product. I don't think it's childish to get one tho .
Putting together a pc for the first time and honestly, I'm mostly doing it so I can have myself a solid production/gaming rig that doesn't have *any* RGB in it lol. I personally don't like all the fancy schlock marketed towards gamers, and it's saved me quite a bit of money avoiding it.
I gotta thank you for this video (and your straight up approach for it). It's honestly appreciated because when one does start shopping for bits and pieces we often get bogged down by the marketing and "what's popular to have", which really fogs up what we really need. It hit home for me when you mentioned the fans...like I didn't even know that there's different bearing systems but I can tell you one thing: I've become quite familiar with the plethora of RGB software/controllers. It's annoying when you gotta think about your budget but there's no real guide as to this is what you ought to look for in fans, motherboards and reliable cooler on GPU. So thanks a bunch man, I'm gonna be building a new system soon and considering going back to Intel (I jumped on Ryzen when it came out and it's carried me well).
Regarding the psu/power supply 🙄 mentioned, I use *Sea Sonic*, it's a US company, and they have a calculator for what to get, my psu is over 10 years old, and touch wood I've had zero problems with it, they are guaranteed for 7 years.
I agree with a lot of these points, especially RGB, but generally when I build a pc I'm trying to make it as quiet as possible, so those bigger coolers and expensive fans do make a difference to me - not because they're big and shiny (the fans are normally noctua, not something covered in RGB) but because some of them are a lot quieter than others
but there are still others out there with nearly the same secs than noctua but at a way better price point. running a bunch of p12 in my system for the price of about 2 noctua fans. and i guess the bionix versions of them are even more quiet than the noctua ones. Dont get me wrong here noctua makes good fans but i dont get the point in buying them if there are alternatives out there that are just a bit bader but just cost a third.
Always love your takes and no nonsense approach. Looking out for consumers/subs. It is the reason I watch your content & use it as a reference point before looking for new equipment before I do any upgrades. I'm my own worst fiscal enemy and having you temper my purchases with common sense is greatly appreciated. Keep up the great content!
Recently bought the last pieces for a pc case, mobo and power supply ive bought around 3 years ago. And honestly, i could not make a better decision since i've spent a lot for me (2k) but with that i've not only completed the rig but alsogot myself an L shaped desk, all the peripherals (streamer mic, headset, keyboard, mouse and a nice monitor with a higher refresh rate that had nice reviews) For a 20 year old, i am proud, hopefully i wont break something while putting it together lol
I pay extra to not have any RGB in my stuff. I'd probably have the Fractal case with no window and the Filco keyboard anyway, but being solid black with no LEDs is a must-have.
I like your style, I completely agree I also have a fondness for sleeper builds built in old office cases I just do not like the "gamer" looking cases I always liked professional metal cases.
I would say all the light is a bonus, so the version without should be cheaper. Especially if it simply means not having the option to enable it. I'm not fond of it myself. Especially if they want you to pay for it if you don't need/want it. It just costs more money and draws more power, which in turn costs more money in the long run.
BuT tHe RaInBoW lIGhTs MaKe YoUr SyStEm FaStEr! It's the rules! I don't mind RGB, I frequently do a lot of stuff on my PC in the dark at night. Light is nice & if it can be fun, even better. But I hate that RGB stuff is more expensive. Paying more to have NO RGB is just ridiculous :D (I have a feeling you're not 100% serious that you do that) because you can usually just disable it or set it to 1 single color. But from what I've seen, many RGB components are more expensive but have less performance, so it's a waste.
I've been using corsair fans for years, finally did a build with less rgb and used some diyfab fans, 17$ for like 5. And honestly the fans are much better built, and perform at the same speeds with less noise. I love them and will probably step away from rgb fans in the future. Save me like 300 bones on my builds lol
Same. I stepped away from making my rigs look like a discotech a long time ago. In fact, I use cases with no see thorough features or lights (if I can find them!) - It helps save time and money on obsessing over all ridiculous nonsense that manufactures use to increases cost.
That's what happens when more importance is applied to appearance than functionality. I buy a high quality black fan rated for 50,000 hours over a pretty RGB fan that won't last a month at five times the cost any day.
@@databloom70 That's why I keep my old all metal cabinets and re-paint them for new builds. They also keep all the RFI inside and out of my amateur radio gear.
I just bought a 3 pack of deepcool fans in ARGB for the front 3 intake only. I like how the ring and the blades have separate led's. But, if I don't want the RGB they are invisible behind the grill. All of my exhausts and cooler fans are just plain black.
My 2600k and 2500k work as well as ever, but I guess it's getting close to upgrading time. I haven't followed the world of components closely in along time so these types of videos are very valuable to me. Plextor m5 Pro from 2013 is getting sketchy too... :P The GTX 580 unfortunately gave up after almost 10 years, but fortunately I managed to find a 3070. After several months...
I just upgraded from an old 2550k and built a new one with am5 7600x and gave the old one to my kid. I'm more for the clean no frills look. I have no extra RGB or LED that isn't on the motherboard.
@@vossman5 I totally feel ya, flashy lights are infuriatingly distracting. I hate pointless bling. Bling - for me - is something of pragmatic value. To each their own, I suppose.
Regarding RGB I find it harder and harder to get (quality) components without it, and that bugs me as I want my system to be streamlined and with no unneeded lights at all. My main system right now has 1 green led for power on and 1 red for hd/m.2 activity, anything more... waste of energy.
One thing about the RGB component of it. Kids really do care about it and it is important to them. I know when I built my daughters gaming PC I was excited because it got a 3060 GPU a 5600X CPU and 32 gigs of RAM. She was excited because it played video games and it was pretty to look at.
So true. I still can remember when my 10 y.o. cousin saw my PC and was going nuts with "oh wow! it lights up all red! it must be so powerful" and I was like: it's fine for a 2 y.o. PC - that was like 4 years ago.
Hey nothing wrong with RGB I wasn’t a huge fan until my 2yo son saw my PC with a couple light and he was so happy. So I built a new PC getting all of the RGB I could and he goes nuts every single time I turn it in and it makes me smile. Also my daughter who is 1 just stares at it haha. Totally worth the extra $ for the happy smiles from my little ones :)
Kids have always loved RGB. We feel it is ridiculous when we see mouse pads with RGB or things like that. But if you think about it... Kids have had RGB yo-yos that blink when used, and RBG shoes that blink with every step for decades. There is something awesome about blinking lights when you are a kid.
With YEARS of experience, I have never seen where extreme cooling pays off for overclocking purposes. The cost of the cooling will allow you to get the better CPU you are trying to over clock to.
Yeah, but things have kinda changed now. People were never puting 12, 13, 14 fans in a cases before like it was nothing. I'm almost tempted to overclock simply just because of how cool all those fans keep everything
On water I struggle to keep my 5950x under 85c lol. And on my plex server (3950x) also water cooled....when I hit around 4 or 5 4k transcodes...things runs pretty toasty as well lol. My 5950x is overclocked but my 3950x is stock and runs above 80c often. Hell I have been struggling to keep my HDDs cool in my NAS lol, those Ironwolf's when stacked all together run pretty damn hot.
My Corsair RGB lights for my rad fans stopped working like a month in. Fans work great still. Funny enough I ended up turning off all the RGB in my build because I find it distracting.
I'm genuinely struggling on picking parts for a new build where i have little to no rgb. The only time i've found it desirable was when i found a way to make my gpu light change based on temp, but that was more for diagnostics/monitoring
You can turn off RGB in the bios for Asus boards. In a lot of gpus you can just unplug the lights. Ram can be bought without RGB. Same with fans. Artic water coolers come in all black and are a good price/performance
It's really hard to do, I specifically wanted as little lighting as possible in my rig because A) bright light annoying and B) meh and C) excessive costs Yet my system still has some rainbow vomit coming off the GPU and no I don't wanna take it apart just to unplug the LEDs lol.
Agreeing! I was never fussed on RGB...but its become something of a comfort thing as I have gotten into the habit of looking to see if all the fans are spinning and nothing is on fire inside! I just run a solid dim light torquoise colour to keep check of everything visually. Hate flashing strobing nonsense
I absolutely loathe rgb. It’s infuriating how most high end gaming parts are saturated with it. It is all but impossible to find high end ram with fast clocks and low latency in white or silver without rgb. It’s impossible to find a high end beefy gpu that doesn’t look like it belongs in a unicorns bowel movements. Want a white fan or aio without rgb? Too freaking bad. Same with motherboards. They just assume everyone wants that garbage all over everything. And then I look at the new stuff and see they are still trying to push black and red boards, weird black and gold boards, and basically nothing that looks good. And when you do finally see something that looks good, it has a ridiculous 1000-2000 dollar price that can’t be justified.
The biggest upgrade I ever did was getting a VRR display (freesync, g-sync). Because it removed the hunt for "greater hardware" if I couldn't reach 60fps in AAA games (due to vsync stutters/latency/tearing). With VRR, I am honestly still satisfied using my old core i7 4770k-rig and a 6600XT. I can easily run multiplayer games at 120fps+ at 1440p, AAA games generally run at 60-90fps. Meanwhile the most demanding CPU-bound titles like Cyberpunk I can choose an arbitrary fps-cap like 50fps and Instead use the GPU overhead to super sample the image using 4K and the game's built-in dynamic resolution scaler. This results in substantially better image quality, hoverering around 1600p-1800p, super sampled down to 1440p. 50fps is still very responsive and 60fps-like enough to feel smooth and responsive. So yes, you can definitely get away with aging hardware, enjoying the latest and greatest titles out there. VRR has been a godsend in that regard. When thinking about upgrading I usually go by the idea "is this use case/game worth the extra expense?" Because, usually, it's not since I already have a "good enough" experience. I think I will wait until there is a broad adoption of the Unreal 5 Engine in games. And of course, that there are several demanding games I ACTUALLY want to play. Then I will consider upgrading. Because right now upgrading will really just result in a small incremental improvement. (not theoretically in static benchmarks, but perceptually during everyday use, it won't be that much of an upgrade)
I was hoping someone was going to mention this...out of all the upgrades and effort trying to get more performance, Trying my PC on an LG OLED tv/monitor with a HDMI 2.0 cable opened up the entire system! My Mid range monitor sits collecting dust for over a year now... The performance of OLED and VVR is outstanding!
@@NwaHp3 Yeah, the screen is something I would encourage the PC crowd to spend their money on instead of that weird notion that they require the latest "platform". Heck, the 4770k rig is something I dug out of a electronics recycle dumpster 2 years back. xD The only thing that was bad was the GPU fan (because of this somebody threw the whole system away o_O). I took it apart, cleaned all the components (until they looked new), re-pasted the CPU, added my own cooler, nvme SSD (using a PCIe adapter), chassi and PSU. Honestly, it looks new, it feels new and very snappy. It's kind of crazy of how much e-waste western countries throws away, either because they think it's broken or they want the latest shiny stuff.. I never took the plundge to OLED though. I mean, I know how great it is. But I live in a tiny studio apartment and mostly do desktop tasks on my computer. Unfortunately the large size of OLED screens and burn-in makes it a no go for me. But at least I can enjoy VRR on my high quality 170Hz 1440p IPS monitor :)
@@TheSinkingGarage Yeah that as well. i still don't use FSR (except cyberpunk as a way to utilize dynamic resolution scaling to super sample the image). I still haven't found an application for it yet (most games run great at native 1440p with a 6600XT). But with the advent of FSR 2.0 I believe it will result in me keeping my 6600XT comfortably for much much longer. I just hope that the GPU manufacturer would supply game ready drivers for like 10 years. Generally AMD has been better than nvidia at this, because usually the performance of nvidia cards plummet in newer games, especially if a GPU is 3 generations or older.
@@PixelShade Burn is a myth on modern oleds now... LG have multiple features that stop it and if you do your part like pixel refresher (only takes 5 minutes every month) and pixel mover on and auto dim is on you will never get burn-in.. Ive had mine for over a year and not one hint of it..and i leave it on stationary screens all the time...it will actually turn the screen off, if left to long Yea your right about the waste that comes from peoples ignorance! Fair play for breathing new life into that discarded hardware.. love stories like that!
I use openRGB software to control the RGB lighting in my computer and peripherals it works with almost all brands very lightweight software highly recommend
In keeping with the theme of this video I would like to give a shoutout to Microcenter, I was choosing components and had not built or kept up with motherboard tech over the last 5 years or so and needed some pointers. The build your own pc tech at MC pointed out that all the boards they carried had the same bus overheard and the only major difference was over clocking functionality which I had no interest in, making my choice and their recommendation super easy, cheapest board they had on the shelf and I’ve been super happy with it. 😊
There are minor differences in motherboard that should not be overlooked: Size: EATX, ATX, MATX, ITX. Matx boards are usually the cheapest, but you lose expansion slots. Slot layout. Maybe you want to add a sata card to do raid. Maybe you want thunderbolt. Maybe you need 4G/5G cellular connectivity. Make sure the slot layout meets your needs. M.2 slots. How many M.2 SSDs do you need to connect? If you have leftover SSDs from older computer, you might need more slots. Wifi + bluetooth. Some boards don’t have them. USB ports. Does it have the quantity and speed you need? There’s a lot of ports on motherboards these days, but if you need USB-C or 20Gbps ports, make sure they are there in a convenient location (front vs back ports) Audio chip. Newer, better chip have better SNR and lower distortions. Also audio jacks / spdif that your sound system needs. Fan headers. Do your case support many fans? Make sure you have enough fan headers for your case / setup.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: case and power supply matter more than anything else. Get a quality case with plenty of airflow and a quality power supply with plenty of wattage FIRST. Then worry about everything else.
For budget GPUs, Worst part is PCIe Gen 4/5 is important to the far budget end, which previously did not have access to Gen4/5 as those cards have cut down PCIe lanes causing actual performance differences. New budget builders should have this problem.
yes! we buy overkill. who the fuck needs 32gbs of ram for gaming!!!! pornhub tabs maybe... but not gaming lol i took advantage of prices rn and down graded to 16 gbs but faster clockspeed 40$. guess what still buttery smooth. i really overpaid for 150$ two years ago for 32gb ram i wont use. smh
@@yol_n I played RDR2 on a 16GB ram laptop with RTX 3070 ti. Never seen ram usage higher than 9 Gigs. But some unoptimised mess would eat up a lot more. So I beg to differ. And I based my opinion/standards on RDR2. And I used to write simulations that benefit from the extra ram, hell even two desktop RTX 2080s on SLI (not sure if correct on the term, I forgot if they still use SLI), coupled with 48 gigs of ram really struggles when writing proprietary simulation instead of using systems like Physx by Ageia.
Hey Jay, I’ve been a long time follower and you helped me with so many PC builds and I think you for that! I’ve kind of lost my love for gaming unfortunately but you’ve taught me PC skills that will last a lifetime! Your a great guy and a great dad! Keep up the good work. Godspeed
Little sidenote to the PCIe 5.0 preamble: While I agree that PCIe 4.0 is not needed for GPUs for the most part, it must be noted that there are some edgecases where PCIe 4.0 vs. 3.0 does result in a significant performance difference. GPUs with both limited VRAM and PCIe lanes have been shown to significantly drop in performance on gen 3 when they need to frequently swap data in and out of VRAM. The most prominent example for such a card would be the RX 6500 XT. I know this was not the focus of the point made in the video, since it's more about PCIe 5.0, but PCIe 4.0 vs. 3.0 was mentioned as well and I think this is a necessary disclaimer to the sentiment of not trusting anyone who tells you that PCIe generation does matter.
The problem with the RX 6500 XT is that it uses only 4 lanes of the PCIe bus. So it needs PCIe 4.0 to have enough bandwidth, especially when running out of VRAM. If it used 8 lanes or more it would've been ok and PCIe 4.0 would've not made a difference. Still, a valid point you made.
im speaking as someone with a gen 3 drive...that really isnt in a rush to get a gen4 drive or use/enable SAM with my 3070 as it is. I equally have no rush to run an ALL GEN 5.0 on CPU lane system either...im not a working professional with my system nor do i work with content creation or massive file transfers/backups etc. I really dont see the need personally or justification for these x670 E boards...or a board with 4 HDMI 2.1 outs...as i highly doubt ill be using an IGPU that extensively simultaneously with a dedicated GPU.
I feel what JayzTwoCents is forgetting sometimes when he recommends not getting the newest technologies, is there are people out here holding on to their computers for 6-7 years. I'm still rocking an i7-4790K. If I'm getting a new machine, I'm not getting one that's going to be out-dated in two years.
Also on an i7-4790k. I only want to upgrade for additional cores for emulating PS3. In my case, as many cores as possible at a reasonably high base clock is a good choice
You won't need more than 8 cores anytime soon, just the highest possible clock speeds On zen4. I'm on a 5820k, still doing well in gaming and doesn't bottleneck my 3090 at 4k.
I upgraded my 4790k a few months back to a 5800x... The difference is huge so next gen will be crazy upgrade for you, the bugger is it's new mb, CPU and ram....
@@firedrapeon6012 Well, I use my computer for 3D rendering and simulation. I can practically utilize as many cores as I can pay for. But that's not my point, my point is, if I'm not buying a new computer every 2 years and trying to flip my systems. Buying a CPU and motherboard that supports DDR5 is really just trying not to be too far behind the curve in 5 years. Buying DDR4 now, in a system I expect to use for high end applications for the next 5 years, doesn't seem like the best course of action.
I remember a Tech Tuber I watch was suggesting these Scythe fans because a 3 pack was ~$15 and they sold out crazy quick. I'm glad I scooped them up because they have been really solid. I don't care about RGB, just want the cooling.
@@bertracoon1884 I've gotta admit, i I tried the Arctic p14 and p12, but they had a very annoying hum around 800-1000 rpm, so i switched them out for the stock fractal fans again. Next time im buying Noctua
Only thing I can say about high core count, while it may not be necessary now, it might be before you upgrade the next time. Back when I upgraded from 2000 series to 6000 series Intel, I was torn between the i7 and i5. I really wanted the i7 for more cores\performance\etc...However, every publication eviewer always said the same thing, "You don't need more that 4 cores for gaming. Most games only use 2 cores anyways... i7s are just for production workloads." So I got the i5 and saved $100. Fast forward a few years, and games do use more than 4 cores. That i7 was still a top tier gaming CPU, but the i5 had fallen quite a bit down the charts. The i7 probably could've lasted me a few more years, but instead I felt I need to upgrade sooner. Not saying it's always the case, and you may not see the benefit right away. BUT... spending an extra $100-$200 might extend the life of your system a couple years and actually save you money log term if you aren't upgrading every couple years.
Yes, thank you. When I finally upgrade from my 4 core 4 thread i5, I'm going at least 6 core but probably 8 core. I don't need 16 cores, that's for sure, most games don't utilize 8 cores, let alone the 16 threads the chip has available, so I feel like it's a decent option for longevity. By the time you need more than that it will be time to upgrade.
Just waiting for 13th gen to drop the 6700k finally. Some games really do hate that processor but 90% still work great. I always buy top of the line-ish and then sit on it for 5-7 years. If I get a 13900k on launch, I am sure in a couple years as the tech matures I'll be happy I did.
More cores means you can have more crap running in the background without impacting main user application performance. Trust me on this. It does make a difference. Now if all you do is discord and then some gaming with chrome open, then yeah, 6-8 cores will do you plenty. 4 is stretching it nowadays. Again depends entirely on your use case. I develop stuff, CAD, simulations, renders, gaming, some video editing, and more cores is always welcome for my general workflows. I transitioned from a delidded 4790k (maxed out to the walls in terms of memory cl10 2400 with stupid fast subtimings ~36ns latency and samsung 960 pro ssds) to a 5950x (with cl16 3733 and the same ssds) my immediate response after loading into windows was, "huh, the system feels slower". I can't say if it actually was but that was the first impression I got from just browsing around the ui of windows. It took a $350 optane cache for that "slowness" to disappear. However, the difference became immediately noticeable once more than 1 resource heavy applications started to be used. Don't go for less than 8 cores if you plan on not upgrading your system in ~2 years.
I am buying new parts for my pc right now and was struggling to chose what i should buy.. That video was really helpful because i had the exact same thought about my motherboard and processor.
The one exception to "Big Coolers on Mediocre GPUs" I will approve of is noise. A dual 120mm fan running at 50% is way quieter than a single 80mm fan running at 100%. My Nvidia Founder's edition blower card is 10x louder than my FTW triple fan card at 100% load.
Great job pointing out these! Consumers need to be the one controlling the market. But companies would try to create unnecessary hypes to get their products/services be the necessities we don't need but want to get. It should reach a point in technology history when computers and smart devices get really affordable with performance standard that are accessible to everyone on the planet.
I totally agree with you on DDR5 and changing for PCIe5, there is a small benefit of PCIe5 that you can use less lanes per device as devices come available
"I've never once experienced a CPU that seem like it was being held back by putting it on a lower end motherboard" You should try to put even a 12600k on a "officially supported" B660 lower-end board, like some of the ASRock ones. But do it Jay, try it. And you'll be surprised by the results... very unpleasantly surprised. HWB did test this, and even a 12600K was choked off of 20% of it's performance by insufficient power delivery.
@@johnhb123 I do not think Intel have to take all the flak for this. Sure, their 12th Gen CPU are furnances comparing to AMD's offering, but still... Mobo manufacturers are to blame too, trying to save every tenth of a penny on all but extreme high-end mobos... Maybe if Intel was more strict regarding power delivery of their platfoms...
Is that 20% reduction in it's single threaded performance(that everyone uses) or 20% reduction in it's multi-threaded(that only content creators etc. use) performance? Is it really being held back if most people won't notice the difference in multi-core performance? Is every non hardcore computer being held back because they are not being excessively overclocked with the use of liquid nitrogen cooling?
@@longdang2681 Man, when a CPU throttle itself because of not enough power being fed to him, there is no "single core" or "multi core". It's plain performance. your shiny new 12700k can become a 12400 if choked hard enough, while you, the user, still have payed 12700k money.
The part about the excessive power phases, its kinda funny because I did the exact opposite when I built my current PC and got a really cheap motherboard with very few power phases that don't have any heatsink on them and they get stressed hard every time I hit my Ryzen 5 2600 processor with a heavy load. Initially they hit 100+C and after adding some tiny heatsinks, better airflow, and undervolting they still peak at ~70C. Should have spent a bit more money on a better board in the first place honestly because of the all headaches I had to go through to keep temps under control aren't really worth it looking back at it.
Yes, I'd like to know what a good number of power phases on the MB would be. Maybe 8 to 10 for overclocking? Could we go as low as 6 if not overclocking? I'm out of touch with modern hardware, I'm still using an overclocked Ryzen 5 1600 with a 6-phase MB and VRM heatsink and it runs cool and stable but it held me back a small bit on the OC of the CPU - I got to 3.8 GHz easily but couldn't go higher and stable without a massive increase in voltage.
I have got a asrock b450 pro 4 with my 1600, overclocked the crap out of it to 4ghz about 1.4 voltage and from 2666 to 3400 mhz on the ram, about 1.39 voltage, works great, have been using it for over an year
Look at reviews of motherboards and if they include temperature testing of the motherboard PCB itself. Review sites should have those to give you a good idea of how well power is handled on them and you can make a more informed decision from there.
@@Roman8707 That is solid advice and one that I failed to do when I got motherboard haha. It was a bit of a rushed purchase at the time as I didn't have a working computer (old one gone wonky apart from hard drive failing) and didn't have the time to do research and look at reviews, but despite that I should have splurged a bit more on the B450 board instead of the weird crappy one that's called a A320 (but actually has a B350) I got. Needless to say I'll be doing my research moving forward.
I just watched this video a year after release and find two take away gems. First, I agree with pretty much everything you said, which is unusual in itself, and gives me confidence I have caught up with the key aspects of modern computer tech after a decade or so away from keeping up to date. Second gem is nothing has really changed in a year. The advice in this video is just as relevant now as it was a year ago. Maybe high speed USB etc connectors could be added to the list of unnecessary features? Only one aspect I have a mildly differing opinion, and that's the oversize coolers on graphics cards. I like my computers silent and for years I have put up with low power but 100% passive cooled graphics cards. When I saw cards costing 100's of dollars with three fans I laughed and rejoiced in my 100% silent card that runs the occasional game at 1080p and no more for my old eyes wont be tell the difference! It took being donated a graphics card to find that these extra fans are actually used to spin slower and quieten things down. Not to make as much noise as possible as the old graphics cards fans used to do! When was this change made? So anyway, if an oversize cooler helps quieten things down, then that is a cost paid once, and the benefits enjoyed every time the computer is used for non-gaming purposes in particular. I suggest that your comparison with a Ferrari with Honda engine is a little harsh, since there is an actual real world benefit with that oversize cooler. It's quite possible for anyone who uses their computer for mainly productive reasons may find that the extra quiet operation benefits far exceed a tiny frame rate increase they could barely perceive with old eyes not remotely interested in the burden of unnecessarily high resolution displays! That's another thing to add to the list of unnecessary tech! Ultra high rez displays. Astonishing power requirements to move so much memory around so quickly whose greatest effect can be seen on the electricity bill and the planet. Imagine Greta's face! Maybe an updated video Jay, to show how little actually needed updating. That is a powerful insight in itself in my opinion.
I've been saying exactly this about CPU's/core counts for years now, especially in the realm of laptops! The laptop market is the worst for it... They keep throwing in i7s and even i9s and the ryzen equivalents into MIDTIER gaming laptops where 80% of those cores/threads will never be needed not to mention they'll end up thermally throtteling due to the higher wattage of those chips. Instead it would be much better if the extra money spent on those fancier cpus were spent on things that might make a real difference like better GPU, higher quality screen, higher frequency ram in the case of ryzen models, etc
SCREENS. So many laptops still ship with potato class TN panels. Especially in the budget to lower midrange tier. I think you can still get potato class TN panels in thousand-dollar hardware! Especially with display tech prices coming down, there's no excuse anymore. Even my dad's potato 2 in 1 has a good screen in it, while my Lenovo Ideapad that probably cost twice as much has a potato screen that my 15 year old laptops can outperform. Why does my Pentium 1 laptop from 1999 still have a better screen than my factory perfect $500 budget thin and light?
@@pbiza Enlarging the cache will definitely improve performance in a lot of tasks. For tasks that aren't well optimised for multicore execution it'll do more than increasing the core count would.
That's pretty much what I concluded too on PCIe 4.0 when the B550 was announced, that we don't really need em' anytime soon But then AMD (and eventually Nvidia too) started gimping out on PCIe lanes on lower-end GPUs What's to say that it won't happen again in the near future? Maybe some PCie 5.0 x2 graphics card is already in the works years down the road...
If that happens nobody will buy it but OEMs with proprietary board designs like Dell. So on the consumer market it is a clear cut what is the market to sell and there you have PCIe 3.0 in like the majority 75%+ systems and a slowly increasing changeover into 4.0 So we might see more of the 8x 4.0 but nobody with a brain cell left will buy them. And for that these cards are dead on arrival for the do it yourself pc builder market, which the majority of AIBs cater too. Nopp it will not happen and who makes it happen will get punished by a undersold product and never do it again.
i mean B550s also had cattawumpus PCI/SATA priority so if you had too many sata/ports populated you could potentially force your GPU to be 8x on pci-e.....SO even if you wanted a multi drive system...and a single nvme drive for OS etc...you could potentially force that build/system into 8x on gpu...depending on how many/which sata ports were populated. MEANWHILE "MODERN" future computing is headed towards sam/direct storage access/utilization be it sam/win11 etc....PUSHING more or less....an EMPHASIS on a contingent drive to gpu orientation or board/feature set....in order to support this "BARELY SUPPORTED" in games currently "FEATURE". MUCH LIke amd hitting the "SCENE" with gen 4 support "FIRST".....as if the majority of those builds/systems were worth writing home about...let alone worth using a gen 4 drive in..outside of working professionals/content creators.
I actually really like my Liani Li fans. I didn't necessarily buy them for the performance (even though it's excellent) i bought them because they look perfect with my system. I also had the money to spend so it wasn't a big deal paying up a bit for what i really wanted. Absolutely no regrets.
thank you jay, i am considering myself well and truly educated after watching this video. i always find your videos very insightful, i am a complete novice when it comes to pc builds and i am currently researching all the components i want in my gaming rig. i love all the points you raised and arguments for and against the latest and greatest tech... thanks to this video alone i am no longer considering the ddr5 route and i will stick to ddr4 instead as u have highlighted i probably wont come close to utilising what ddr5 will bring for my end user needs. keep doing what you do..i alone appreciate your knowledge when it comes to all things pc :)
I agree with you, mostly. The maglev fans run -forever- though, and are well worth the money. You still have to clean the dust out every once in awhile, but even if you don't they'll last way longer than any contact bearing. Either way, us greybeards know that you can build way cheaper than if you forgo the RGB nonsense, and spec your motherboard for what you want to do (power/features/etc).
A normal rifle bearing fan can run forever too if it's reasonably balanced. I have some cheapies that have worked for 20 years with maybe one or two grease replacements. FDB should have pretty much no metal on metal contact in operation, and rifle bearing is like the cheaper intermediate step of that idea. I actually have installed a Sunon maglev on my 3D printer and I kind of regret it, it's weirdly vibration sensitive, which is not great being slung around. It kind of starts rubbing which tells me the whole non contact thing is a bit of a myth. I killed a sleeve bearing fan previously so I thought this would be a good upgrade, but then also the electronic control needed to be reworked because Sunon Stall Guard is weird and kept getting triggered. Next time I'm putting in a double ball bearing fan, which might be a noise compromise nominally but for a radial high pressure fan not really, and it's the standard and recommended solution for machinery.
nah really just tempered glass cases....these days a glass panal case can end up choking the airflow because it wasn't designed with airflow in mind. (i.e. having a glass panel in front instead of a mesh)
I'm buying parts to build my first pc now (piece by piece, hoping that things like gpu and cpu will drop) and I thought that the nzxt h510 flow was pretty high end.... It's like 80 euros or something, which is the less cheap version bc I thought the flow would be a lot better over the normal version. Nonetheless, I thought this was a premium, high tier case and that this explainedwhy I payed 80 euros for it. Only for me to watch this video and read your comment talking about 200-300 usd/eur cases... I can't even imagine what you're getting for that
My last build was in 2018 and is still running strong, I left behind childish concepts of funky lights, it's a black box, clean cables, no manufacturer stickers, it feels like a matte black stealth bomber where you can't tell how powerful or weak it is, and that's part of the mind-game, inconspicuous. The only "rgb" in it is the GPU and I've set it to glow white, that's it.
"I'm gonna tell you about crap you don't need that they're peddling." ...then advertises NZXT that comes with parts that won't work unless you run their horrible data-mining software. 😂 Still love your channel :D
I always buy basic fans first, see if they are great, then go for the rgb version of those same fans later. It's usually the same tech with just a bonus "fps increase" attached to it. :P
Nice to see you here I just dont have enough money to buy a new pc. I just use the old pc i bought from a friend. Its like 6 or more years old, but its enough for me, because i dont care that much about the potencial, because i just dont need it
I always buy Noctua and forget about buying fans ever again. Totally worth the premium. If I ever want to change the fans, I put the Noctuas back into their box and store them for later builds, they last a lifetime.
If you have a program that crashes on you, odds are it's down to multithreading. It's one of the hardest things in programming. (Cache invalidation is a close second, in my opinion.) If someone is making a game and they wanted to use all the available cores, those games will need to work with anywhere from 4 cores to 24 cores. IF the game works fine with 4 cores, why not only ever use 4 cores? To put this in context - programming is just making a painfully detailed todo list. Multithreading is having lots of people to do bits of the list (sub lists, if you will), but in order to work you often can't continue until you have all of the sub-lists completed. The threads can't communicate with each other without 'synchronizing' which basically means that one thread stops and waits for the other to have finished changing something, then it can do it's bit. Synchronizing isn't cheap - if you end up having to synchronize too much, it'll be slower than just doing all the work on one thread. If the programmer made a mistake and a bit of memory is read by one thread while it's being written by another, that's when you get a crash. Really difficult to catch because there are no tools that can automatically check this sort of thing for you, multiple programmers will work on a bit of code, and it may work fine 99% of the time, so testing is a nightmare. Multi-core processors are great if you are doing something which really lends itself to multithreading, or doing lots of separate things (e.g. running a bunch of VMs), but for the majority of PC users you will notice no difference between a 6 core and a 16 core processor, other than your wallet will be lighter.
@@slartibartfasttynsol420 As an aspiring programmer myself and former Best Buy/Future Shop computer salesman I really appreciate your comment. I spent years at Best Buy explaining to customers the difference between multi threaded performance and single threaded performance so I could show some basic benchmarks and know my customers were understanding the numbers they were looking at. I would often explain it fairly similar to your own explanation. That most tasks the computer does must happen in order, especially if its a rather interactive program. If its waiting for you to tell it to do something, does it, then waits for the next thing; probably mostly single threaded application. Multi threading is simultaneous computation at parts of a problem or task. It's important that order doesn't matter, like multiplication, compression, decompression, what part of the screen gets rendered first, etc. These types of tasks would benefit from multithreading. Not to say that multithreading is not useful, just rarely used to the extent that our computers are capable of. Task manager can be rather informative about this kind of thing if you know where to look.
Yeah...i agree comepletely. I upgraded just a few weeks ago to R5 5600, ROG Strix B550-F, 1 GB Samsung 980 M.2, and moved a 1080, a couple of SATA SSDs and 16 GB of 3200 DDR4 over from the old system. It might not be flashy, but performance pr $ is great and it is actually plenty powerful enough to do some real work too. That system would be enough for 99% of non-enthusiast users. Certainly enough for me.
To add: Adobe says (IIRC) that its software can take advantage of multiple cores, but once you get more than eight cores you don't get much more performance by adding cores.
8 cores (really 4 core pairs) for the application. A couple of additional cores give the operating system (and other applications running with lower priority) a place to run where they will not distract the 8 cores running the high priority application.
Adobe stopped being relevant years ago when they locked their applications and file formats behind overpriced subscription bundles. They only exist as a dying monopoly that still control access to some of their old stuff such as their editor file formats.
Been doing a lot of back and forth on this topic too recently. But I finally decided to stick AM4 and build a beast rig in current gen. I am upgrading from a Ryzen 1800x and GTX 1080 to an entire new build with Ryzen 5950x and 3080 Ti. It will be for multiple tasks (music production/streaming/gaming) As a music producer I want my DAW to be able to run with no CPU hesitation, which is why I opted for such a powerful one. A lot of Plug ins now a days (like Soothe 2) can be extremely intensive on the Processor and I am going to see how much of a difference in latency I’ll experience coming from my old rig. I’ve always looked to your videos for wisdom and always appreciate what you have to say! Thanks Jay!
Great decisions, but be wary of pc dogshit elitist. Mf start flaming me for bought a new pc( mind you this was my first build ever since i live, never had any pc system before) and they said why wouldn't you wait bla bla bla. Motherfucker expect i have 5000 usd sitting in living room.
I’m working on a similar build. I’m coming up from a 3600X and a 1050ti on X570. I’ve already gotten my hands on a 5950X. Just gotta get a new PSU and get some money aside for the GPU.
@@guillaumejoop6437 Yep, it's one of the reasons I opt to go with Ryzen 9 5950X instead of waiting for the next gen. I did this a few months ago. I also recently upgraded my 7 year old GPU to XFX RT 6900 XT Limited Black Edition and it's a kick ass card for under $1k!
Slapped a RX 6600 into my pc the other day, considered getting a new CPU but thought I'd try the 3400g I already had, and yeah, it powers through most games. 4 core is still a powerhouse, I will eventually go for a 6-8 for future proofing but the system is running 1080p nicely
@@gasterd5528 I had i5-9600k. CPU bottleneck in cyperpunk was huge, and I have Vega 64 playing 1440p res.😂 I couldn't get more fps when lowering settings. Upgraded the cpu to 5800X3D on black friday. That game is pretty heavy on cpu...and gpu ofc.
I have to admit, I’ve had the same thoughts and absolutely agree 99% with everything you said. These are the same list I would have said myself. These youngsters are driving up prices with their marketing-driven unnecessary purchasing power. It’s shocking to me what’s become popular due to how unusable it generally is.
As I’ve grown older I’ve fully given up on making my pc look fancy. I like the black box with clean cables and great airflow. No RGB no water cooling, just pure simplicity
A voice of reason!
I've never really been into that "rgb fancy". I did try to make my setup a bit nicer when I turned 15 (replaced stacks of books and set-top boxes with a proper triple-monitor VESA mount, cut some holes into my desk for cable management, etc.) But the computer underneath was a plain black box for a really long time. I replaced it recently, so now it has a red stripe on the front, but that's it.
Same here! I hate RGB, it only raises the temp in the box.
Based username
@@jebhank1620 trying to work out whos name is based :')
Jay's channel always leaves me feeling like he really cares about his viewers. Like he's really putting in the effort to make sure none of us get ripped off.
jays helping get rid of budget components that big companies cant sell due to customers wanting highend card/cpu ect ect...
@@warking4257 interesting take, almost feels conspiratorial, but I can't say you're wrong I just don't know.
By him saying don’t buy these expensive things, people do the opposite and go buy them because he said don’t buy them. Lol
@@warking4257 Cool theory, but wrong. Not everyone is looking for "high end". Budget is a bigger market than high end. Steam statistics show most people aren't gaming on high end computers.
@@paximilian4037 true
I like seeing the extravagant builds, but these realistic advice videos get a double thumbs up from me.
Yes! It’s tough when you’re seeing all these crazy builds and new CPU reviews from Phil, Jay, & Linus, but especially if you’re doing your first build it is 1000% ok to start cheaper and smaller (and just live vicariously through them to see 3D Mark numbers or something)
Yeah but people like Jay don't practice what they preach.
@@blai5e730 Check out his stealth builds. It's a difference of having a game PC for fun personal gaming vs streamer gaming which he does. Plus he is big on water cooling which now is not really necessary unless you want to show off or a silent PC.
@@JohnCiaccio - It was being hyperbolic. I have 2 water cooled builds, one with a 9900k and SLI'ed 1080TIs and the other is a 12900k/3090 in a Hero Z690. I did have a laugh regarding the fans though as I use Lian Li AL120's and Corsair ML120 Elites.
Indeed
Big takeaway: Don't let your consumerism habits / thinking patterns get the best of you---keep them at bay. The better you do that, the happier your wallet and experience will be when upgrading your systems. (Saved me from going overboard and sinking in excitement, thank you)
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people need to be very very very careful. those tech companies have people (not just one) who learn psychology for life, and their only job is to manipulate you to spend money on some bs.
why? People who like buying shit, getting obsessed over how the shit looks are just this way.
Like, I can tell someone they are idiots for buying shiny crap, all that RGB bullshit, ruining the market for everyone else who wants functional quality things, but they will simply say that they like it, it's simply that they like it.
And I totally understand.
Like, who am I to say you're stupid for collecting physical media, buying expensive art, buying a mechanical watch, smoking, etc. etc....
But if someone thinks they've been brainwashed to buy all that shiny shit, well, they are morons. They can't think for themselves. So no point in trying to educate them, because all you'd be doing is pushing your point of view, and they would still be none the wiser.
@flowerofash4439 it's not just tech companies, most of the biggest companies in most industries are constantly figuring out ways how to manipulate consumers to spend more $$
1:54 PCIe 5
4:44 GPU coolers
7:34 Motherboard power phases
11:54 CPU cores
22:10 DDR5
17:00 Fans
19:13 RGB
This honestly should've been in the timestamps. Something Jayz can work on. Most tech channels do that already.
Just to let you know, the DDR5 timestamp is incorrect, a correct one would be 14:30
I clicked it and thought it was a joke from your part because he doesn't talk about DDR5 thinking "is this a joke because it's still not out yet?"
With that said I've been in a cave for the past few months regarding pc stuff so you don't need to tell me it's out, I know...now, been forever since it was announced
best comment down here
I'll add my notes from 2 of his videos:
RAM 3000 mhz or 3200 mhz (instead of more mhz)
ddr4 (instead of new ddr5)
PCIE4 (instead of PCIE5)
CPU with 4 cores, or 8 cores for gaming (midrange)
@@millanferende6723 Using CL14 or 16 3600MHz will boost you a lot especially with Ryzen cpus, especially over some 300MHz kits, and especially dual rank. And the whole core thing is not very relevant, it depends on the overall capabilities of the cpu rather than core count. It's better to check benchmarks than to choose based on core count. You wouldn't want Ryzen 5 1600 6core over an i3 12100 4core.
This guy is my first stop when researching any gaming computer topic, and it's gutsy to critique an industry that you are part of, appreciate the honesty.
I'm in the process of building a new rig and Jay has been giving me sound information, since the last PC I built was in 2013-2014. I didn't skimp out either: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X, ROG Strix B650-A, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Gaming OC w/ 8GB GDDR6X, 32GB DDR5 5600MHz CL36, 2TB WD Black SN770 M.2 SSD, Corsair RM850 power supply in white, Arctic 240mm AIO, all packed neatly into a Fractal Focus G case, also in white.
Amen to that
Totally agree.
same! Here's to Jay and the crew.
Run 'The last of us' at 1440 on high settings on your 3070 ti and consider the result...
Just finished my pc rebuild. You were so much help. It's smoking fast and runng cool. Thanks to you I saved tons of money I don't have. Keep up the great work.
Welcome to the cult
PCs aren't supposed to smoke, you might look into that
@@kaldo_kaldo Lol
@@kaldo_kaldo beat me to it
To save money you first need to have it. :)
I agree that the upsale on cooling is absolutely insane these days. At some price points, I can literally buy a dozen fans for the price of a premium RGB of the same size.
I think it depends on the type and life expectancy of the fan. for instance, magev type fans are epected to live way longer
Yeah but this guy also advertises them on his channel when they come out
I still buy arctic fans. A pack of 5 costs less than one rgb mag lev from Corsair lol
I have learned the hard way that you don't want to cheap put on 200mm fans 😶 The really cheap ones are LOUD. But yeah you don't have to go overboard for sure.
Noctua fans are the only fans I’m comfortable splurging on
As for me, I've learned that I've most enjoyed spending excess money on the peripherals - Quiet fans that I don't hear, a nice computer chair, a mechanical keyboard with switches that I like the sound and feel of, a mouse that fits my hand, nice speakers, a good camera, a wireless doc for my cell phone, a good monitor. Basically, it's all the things I come into contact the most, but don't consider, when building a PC that I'm going to use for the next 7 years.
That thing is actually noticeable and lasts much longer. Nice
Good on ya, I'm basically the same. Computer will last and the more money you can put into the basics. The better it'll be
Yeah it’s actually hilarious when I think about it. I had to really convince myself to splurge on computer parts. In the end I didn’t even need a computer that fast. But I for some reason have no qualms purchasing a peripheral that’s insanely expensive. Something like the happy hacking keyboard with a heavy grail metal case and custom keycard. Or a pointless 150 dollar lemo connector sleeved and coiled cable. Ends up costing as much or more than the computer. Lol
@dj Kplus I used my Logitech MX518 V1 at least for 15 years. I changed to a different one a couple years ago, but not because it broke. I can still plug it in and it works fine.
It's the little things that matter 😌
I agree with the RGB. I wanted a system with 0 RGB but that is literally impossible to find once you pass a certain price point. So all my RGB is just white for a clean look.
Msi has unify series mobos. And it’s absolutely blacked out. That’s the reason I had 3 of them lol
@@humanity_3 Well I think that choosing a motherboard because it doesn't have RGB is as bad a reason as choosing one because it's drenched in unicorn puke. Most motherboards I've used that had RGB also had someway to turn it off without having to install any software. Currently the only thing with RGB I can see is the mouse. That one I dialed back to a very discrete blue that matches the light on my keyboard that only has that blue back light.
I think there's RGB on the graphics card, but I'm not sure as the case has a solid steel side. No window or anything like that. As I'm constantly looking at what's available in case I or someone I know would be looking to build a new computer I feel a bit frustrated by the lack of cases without massive RGB and side windows or TG side panels. Thing is I'll never build a computer for myself that's intended to be a spectacle. Besides I've seen several computers where the TG panels has been cracked or smashed. It's just something I don't feel I want in any way shape or form. I'm perfectly happy with a solid panel instead.
Unfortunately with a few exceptions case manufacturers simply doesn't make their better designs available without excessive RGB and TG side panels. And the cases that are available with solid steel panel versions are often very hard to find, and sometimes you have to buy the steel panels separately adding to the cost of the case.
I've been playing with the thought of just spray painting the inside of any TG panels when I build my next computer. But even that goes against my philosophy as it would be an added cost for no other reason than making the case look solid.
Fortunately simple fans without a single led are still easily available as is HSF and AIO CPU coolers, and yes they tend to be cheaper than the RGB and ARGB versions.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Be Quiet! Makes a really good case called the Dark Base Pro 900 with an option for a TG or solid metal side. I use the TG side version because I like looking at my water cooling components
Or you can just turn them off
You can turn the RGB off, there is no avoiding it anymore unfortunately.
My computer: that GPU won't fit.
Me : say hello to angle grinder
GPU brand : say hello to my friend warranty void ! ^^
I love when new tech comes out because "last" gen gets extremely cheap and gets insane value. especially if its a generation switch like DDR5 and PCIe 4 or 5.
Has this ever happened with motherboards, graphics cards and processors
I have seen ram, storage stuff get cheaper but I myself haven't seen the main hardware get cheaper on the first hand market
@@aidenyeager5066 yeah, like he mentioned in the video about motherboard pricing, it seems like they've been jacking the prices up on them while not discounting last gen. I don't understand these high end boards at all, they seem to exist to justify higher prices on the base models, I can't imagine they are selling very many in the $400 and up range.
@@pauldavidson9267 seems like a guy like me can't dream of getting good hardware.
Even if I wait years for current hardware's price to go down I'll most likely be slapped in the face with a price increase instead
Like how even a shit GPU like 710 went up in price like $10-$15 (in the first hand market of course, 710s go cheap in the second hand market)
@@aidenyeager5066 sure does, bought a 9900 when the 11th series launched got the KF SKU dirt cheap and processor is still decent compared to current gen stuff. For GPU's you just get the top cards and flip them every year or so staying on top of it is cheaper because price degradation increases with time.
@@pauldavidson9267 Perhaps when inflation really kicks in and people don't have much 'spare cash', last gen will perhaps get to be more affordable.
When I started rebuilding my pc last month, you became the main guy I relied on for the most up to date and factual information. You have yet to let me down. Thank you for always giving the best info
unbiased opinions based off of a "do what you want" mentality, are usually just called facts. too many people try to say these videos are opinionated. Especially based off a sponsor. You cant buy a review from a big name, just by sending them parts. You have to send good parts, to get a good review. Confident companies send stuff out, and we end up with reviews from channels like this
I followed his recommendations when I built my PC two years ago. Enjoy your PC.
@@john-paulhunt6943 Here?
@@CloudyMcRowdy please ungrey your read more. How am I supposed to read it all?
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4:42 Large coolers on midrange cards do help in regions with room temperature above 30°C, which is more commonplace than you think. Temps on GPUs ain't always about power consumption. Even with good airflow, low end 3060Tis tend to hit 80°C easily during summer where I'm from. Room temp can hit 36°C easily.
people must enjoy the watercooled RTX 7040 for the sake of technology fr and I am all in for that
Preach! I say the same stuff to my friends and others in discussions all the time. Everyone online is such an elitist and it's so draining. Everyone is clout chasing and wants to have the best and be the coolest. The first two questions I ask when helping someone are; "What are you tying to do on it?" and "What is your budget?". Thank you for trying to humble some people online. It's much needed.
same thoughts, especially on so called PSU tier lists, thats how the market got crap like ROG Thor
and people defensive of absurd innovation must know that if I am calling ROG Thor crap, its a really good crap that high end pc elitist seem to enjoy
I genuinely got upset when the cheapest RAM within my chosen parameters had RGB. Same with my CPU cooler, the only reason it has RGB is because it was the only confirmed LGA-1700 compatible, CPU cooler under $120 available at that time.
RGB can absolutely visually enhance a system, but only if it's designed with that in mind. In a mostly solid black case with some mesh it just becomes an annoying distraction.
Once i ended up having a red/black scheme on all my components. Wasnt planned out, but with the pricing and performance I ended up with those exact components. Kinda funny if you think about it.
Yep I ended up spending more on components so that they wouldn't have rgb.
@@rebelonionfn With all due respect, why not just save money and disable the RGB on the cheaper parts? Many of my components (RAM, mobo, GPU, fans) have RGB built in, but I just turned it off and called it good.
@@rgr980 the rgb is priced in. that's what bothers us
Second that notion. I hate RGB, in fact if I wasnt FORCED to run LED on my pc I would clip each individual power line to them and run it totally blacked out besides the cpu cooler with the lowest possible light option " to indicate the damn thing is even cooling." I hate it. Why do we need a RAVE PARTY which is sucking up power and helping contribute to additional light pollution in our homes ? Why is RGB control a PREMIUM option and I have to shell out more money just to turn the f things off? Why is it the software and control modules are so finicky that it wont even remember that I turned it off half the time. It is unnecessary and totally frustrating for people . . . I have a matching color scheme inside AND simply dont want the lights to go with it. LED and RGB use to cost a premium and now it is the inverse? IT IS MADDENING.
Stop wasting your money on this stuff:
2:00 1. PCIe Gen 5 - Current GPUs don’t come close to saturating Gen 4, no consumer grade products fully supported yet
4:40 2. Large Coolers on Mid-Range Graphics Cards - Your 3060 Ti with gddr6 memory doesn't need a 450w cooler, AIBs are using these to overcharge
7:37 3. Excessive Power Phases on Motherboards - Most consumers come nowhere near requiring this except in niche use cases when trying to push OCs as high as they can. Nice to have but not a necessity.
10:25 4. Expensive High Core Count CPUs - manufacturers pushing core density rather than speed, 4C8T with hyper-threading is enough to meet the demands of the average consumer/gamer
14:12 Common sense point - consider opportunity cost and spend more on what has the most impact for your use case. For gaming, it may be better to spend less on the CPU/motherboard and allocate more of your budget towards the graphics card
14:30 5. DDR5 - doubling of data rate/speed isn't worth it at current prices for the average consumer unless they're doing something that uses a lot of system memory
17:00 6. Expensive Fans - Look at performance gains to price, performance and reliability of the fan ultimately relies on the bearing type.
19:13 7. RGB - RGB should not be a deciding factor when purchasing components
i agree with everything but rgb......... everyone know RGB makes everything atleast 5% faster XD
Sometimes all they ever talk about are RGB 🤔
thx
The real mvp for posting this comment
Saved me 20 minutes of my time, thanks
One key take away from my end is "NEED TO HAVE" Vs "NICE TO HAVE" comparison is must when we buy some new hardware.
Thank you Jayz for another great video.
The biggest waste of money is buying $30 fans with NO rgb. Noctua A12 black comes to mind.
14:58 I remember when DDR2 was a new thing and now I feel even older than I did before.
I remember systems with kilobytes of ram that wasn't even ddr!
The reason I like Jay is because his recommendations are more realistic and down to Earth. Not a fan of the "must have the best" hype other channels push their viewers to buy.
Just figure out what you need from your PC and build accordingly. I've seen so many people buying the highest spec components and crazy things like 64GB RAM for a UA-cam and Facebook machine. More people need to watch Jay videos to have more realistic goals building their PCs.
There are other channels like Toasty Bros, Nerd on a Budget, Tech YES City, and OzTalksHW that have also been showing down to Earth and affordable builds. Most of which are at least under $500.
@@willn8664 Yes but those are very small in comparison to Jay. The problem is LTT is huge but willingly steering PC builders towards most expensive and most powerful models without explaining what each component does and how much power you need for your use. A gamer will not need 64GB of RAM nor 12 cores CPU. Gamers need powerful single core CPUs more than core 12 with 3.5GHz. Linus is a rich tech snob who only knows the most expensive is the best. His entire channel shifted towards the fancy stuff instead of helping the common people. The "tech tips" part became more like a fancy tech brag. Who the hell is going to buy a $900 router? Not even rich people would go for that. Then he started talking nonsense about apartment people loving this thing as if they can afford it. Maybe they'll love it in 10 year or more. 5GHz routers are still in the $300 range despite the technology remaining unchanged.
I highly doubt someone that only uses UA-cam and Facebook would even know what or which highest end components are, so I'm calling bs on that, lol.
Love videos like this.
The tech market is full of "Buy this! It's so fast! So neat! So shiny!" and this helps keeps people grounded.
It's hard to know who to trust anywhere & especially in the PC business but JayzTwoCents is that guy. He puts out videos that could be detrimental to his business & profitability but has the moral character to do it anyway. I always take what he says as near gospel. You're the real OG Jay.
I don’t search for RGB, I get stuck with it.
Blame the normal customers, lol
This video proves why Jay is a powerful and reliable voice and mind in the tech-space. He hits us with the realness we all need; tells us peons if we really need that shiny stuff that we always see them play with. The crucial questions. Is that feature a need? or a nice to have? Do you need it to be stable? or are you okay with adapting to the quirks of new-gen tech?
His 6900XT review was utter garbage though.
Agreed! He explained very well on reconsidering the needs of the current overwhelming tech
But, shouldn't he be practicing what he preaches then? Oh, that's right! He can't. Why? Because he's under contract with these manufacturers/vendors to help market the products that they send him to "review". Do he not have 8+ Lian Li UNI fans in that Specter case? Do he not build these "over the top" PC's to tug on the viewer emotional urge to buy buy buy? He's a YT "influencer". And his job is to influence the audience. I believe that some people that make videos for the "less fortunate" is from having a guilty conscience.
Thank you for making this video. You have made me appreciate my 5 year old i7-7700k again.
Yea except I recently upgraded from a 7600k to a 13600k and the core difference is SO huge, 4 cores I could barely play a game newer than 2019 and it would bottleneck my GPU because of it, a cpu of the 7th gen is probably worst case scenario I would say because it got outdated after just barely 3 years.
Didn't mean to shit on your CPU, I loved my 7600k, but we probably use our CPUs for completely different things but in my case intel really fucked me up with 7th gen
@@olivere7 Are you sure it was actually the extra cores and not the large difference in single thread performance you were noticing?
@@sarcosmos7623 the 4 cores on the i3 12100 is really good for gaming
@@sarcosmos7623 The 4c4t on the 7600k is REALLY slow, modern games moved past that ages ago, it would totally max out at 100% usage in any game I played, and if I tried to squeeze in some background programs?,nah buddy.. So yeah, for me, the core difference is huge. Have you tried Warzone 2 & BF on a 4c4t?
you just don't need all the new bells and whistles for most games. It's nice to have some of them so that other things can happen and you don't ever notice a performance lag for background tasks, but the 12 series chips are the first chips in a while that actually show improvement. I've been waiting for ddr5 to become fully supported and useful before I even think of upgrading.
I feel totally validated as someone who usually waits a couple of years to buy something "new" like the rig I bought a few months back would have cost 4 times the amount just two years ago and it does a fine job for what I need, basically some games and an entertainment centre. I really enjoy this channel and the tips are super useful for someone who used to be into PC's heavily about 10 years ago and just started to get back into it. Things have changed and you explain it so well. Thanks.
Yeah, and these days it's not even that bad to be a generation or 2 behind. Unless you have to game at 4k ultra a decent 30 or 20 series or something will run most games just fine.
@@zwenkwiel816 Honestly I'm happy at 1080p. I have a 4K TV but it looks glorious to me at 1080p! I started out with an Atari 2600 and the graphics of today are a tiny bit better. Easy to be ungrateful and always want more but I'm honestly fine with the extra money sitting in my bank.
@@zwenkwiel816
Hey
Whenever someone comes to me and wants advice on buying or building a computer, I have 3 questions that I ask:
1) How much money do you want to spend? This is one of the few industries out here that you get what you pay for, (well, it USED to be anyway).
2) What are you going to use the computer for? It makes no sense to spend a crap ton of money to get the latest and greatest only to surf the net and do e-mail.
And, in my opinion, the most important question:
3) What are you going to use this computer for 5 years from now? If you have to upgrade your system in less than 5 years, then you bought/built the wrong system to begin.
I've used this standard since I started building systems back in the 90's and I haven't had ONE customer/family member have a problem with their systems or upgrade paths.
@@slactweak Your '1)', while being spot on, often got me into a conversation that would go something like
"well I don't know how much they cost so that's why I'm asking"
"Ok. But I'm betting you're well aware that there are $500 and $2500 systems and a few in between at BestBuy, right"
"yeah, but I don't know the difference..."
"so you're asking a question of which you kinda know the answer to. now, if you're expecting me to work some magic in that I can build the $2500 alienware for the price of the $500 HP then I think you have an issue with expectation management"
"but the system you build for $500 would be better than the $500 i could buy, right"
"enough you'd notice any difference? no. look... I don't find it worth my time to play around with $500 builds because they're really uninteresting. I am uncomfortable playing with $2500 builds because I lack the backing of owning my own custom PC business should things go wrong. I really don't want to at-all risk having to tell you your PC will be delayed, possibly multiple times, while we wait on an RMA. we're back to that whole 'expectation management' thing. sorry"
"fiiiiiiiine"
Now that I'm an electrician with a good number of years it goes something like
"so... I need a computer. you still know how to build them, right?"
"I would rather crawl around in your attic and remodel you in a complete up-to-code smoke detector system right now, in July, in the late afternoon"
"for free?"
"ehhh... no. so what's the budget for your computer?"
"$700"
"mmm hmmm. I can fit a smoke detector system in that budget"
"huh? wait a minu...."
"and if you cheap-out on your computer it might very well burn up. gonna need that smoke detector system. think of your family"
"nevermind"
Part of my addiction in building PCs was being able to build a gaming powerhouse that could do virtually all of what you can get from the highest end parts for a fraction of the cost.
One of the difficulties at the moment is that currently budget and mid range stuff = last gen. We're only getting very high end/ high cost parts on next gen. It's far less exciting to build.
That's the fun is stretching your dollar to get the most out of the least! Applies to every hobby
Only thing seeming reasonable on this gen is the cpu's.
@@lankythedanky not warhammer it doesnt xd
I have always been a Mac user but have become fed up and considering attempting to build a PC for things like MS Flight Sim and XPlane. Is it difficult to get the system programs up and running? I know I can build it but doing all of the OS and BIOS systems up and running (properly).
@@AllenPortman-n1d Well, I've been using Windows my entire life, both personally and professional as a programmer, so a question like "Is it difficult to get the system programs up and running" seems really extravagant. It's like me asking you: "Is it difficult to get the system programs up and running on a Mac?"... I mean there's nothing simpler than that if you are used to it.
This video helped me alot. Im gathering the parts for my first build. I only have the PSU and graphics card so far. Both are highly regarded and well reviewed and took out more than half my budget. But im learning and being patient. Thank you for the solid advice and expertise you dish out. Its helps people more than you know.
I hope you got the rest of the parts by now, seems silly to sit on parts you can’t use today, that’d be cheaper when you could use them
@@christinaedwards5084 I know for sure. I'm very close, almost done. One more week of patience. Then it's PC gaming awesomeness. Mostly it was taking time to learn a lot of info that I was missing, and making it financially doable.
Jay on realistic advice videos: "You don't need these!"
Jay on his extreme build videos: "You gotta have these!"
you gotta and you need are two separate things. in first case, there's "it's cool and fast and*whatever*!" and in second case - "it's optimal"
My PC is the result of my inner child that screams "BUT I WANT THIS!" not having an inner adult that simply walks away with the child dragged behind...
He said right at the beginning, need and want are 2 different things...
I cant help but think a lot of this stuff does stem from the youtube tech influencers and such. People are going to emulate what they see these people doing. Like Jay ripping on RGB with his whole RGB setup in the background. All the UA-cam people doing these Gucci builds and people want to emulate that.
@@NavySeal2k as a child all I wanted was that one pack of bubblegum
THIS! I love these videos, Jay. Bless you for cutting through the "SHINY!!" and helping people get what they NEED. I'm still rolling a 2700X on a TUF B450, 32GB, and until just recently I had a 1070Ti. I'm not a bleeding edge performance guy, and I NEVER do a complete rebuild, opting for crawling through upgrades a few parts at a time. I was holding on RTX through 20-series because it wasn't matured yet, and then GPU-pocalypse hit. I only NOW just picked up a 3070Ti FTW3 for retail cost because I waited. I'll probably either go final-gen AM4 when it gets cheap after AM5, or I might bite the bullet and leap to AM5 once I find out more about longevity. Carefully considered and planned upgrades have always been my favorite way to grow.
A 3070ti would go great with a 5700X. I got a 3080 ftw ultra and a 5800X. Runs great. I’d wait before jumping on the new gen as it always gets better down the line ;)
Im basically in the same boat as you. 2700x on a Asrock Steel Legend and a 1070. Just ordered a 6600xt and that's probably where my upgrade path ends for awhile.
this is the smart way to do it. you've probably saved a lot of money this way. I have a similar cost-limiting approach but with one major difference: I really don't like the hassle of upgrading and tinkering with a build constantly, so I aim to have a high-end beast that lasts me at least 5-6 years with minimal interference. but the philosophy is the same: select the right parts at the right prices that offer maximum performance to cost and last as long as possible. it also helps that I don't really care how my PC looks, it will always be a black box out of sight.
@gimple Oh I love the 3070Ti for sure. It'll be a 3-5 year card for me, most likely.
This has been the case since the 90's. Pushing new tech upgrades, but waiting for a year and a half for the adoptions to start showing up supporting the new tech. It's an endless cycle that never changes. JayzTwoCents, don't ever change, I love your videos! If only you were a politician, we would vote for you, because of your honesty to the public.
I am building a new high end PC and have made it a point to get everything without RGB. I don't need a night club. I will be looking at the nice framerate not at my case.
Well said !
This advice is such a breath of fresh air amidst the torrent of rah-rah techno hyper-consumerism that many tech channels and web sites promote. Suggestion for the list of things to not waste your money on: Gaming mice that claim 25000 DPI and 8 KHz polling rates, among other absurd specs.
I've used higher end mice but I'm now using a Logitech M100R workhorse - or workmouse :). At a fraction of the cost, it serves me just as well for all purposes. The fact that it's fixed at 1000dpi rather than being upwardly variable to some absurdly high number makes zero difference to me, in practice. Admittedly, I'm not into fast paced competitive gaming, and those who are might consider me an ignorant philistine :)
@@fred_2021 I've mostly used the crap $5 mice that came with my PCs (Dell, HP, etc.). Last year, I finally decided that I would treat myself to a gaming mouse -- not for the gaming features, but just to get something with better quality and ergonomics. I was willing to spend $100 or more on the "best" mouse, but I ended up getting a $50 Logitech G502 and, other than wishing it were a little bigger to fit my hand better, it's all I could want in a mouse.
I do like the variable DPI, but I use settings between 1200 and 3000 DPI, not the 16000 (or whatever) it's capable of. I agree with you that the higher-end mice *might* have some benefit for professional gamers, but for 99.9% of people (including myself), even the G502 is way overkill.
@@code8986 It's satisfying to use quality items, though. I'm a Logitech fan - I used their cheapie K120 for years. Finally went mad and got my G813. Solid and booti-ful :)
Yeah i love the g305 and g604 as a daily(former g700s). Logitech g hub is too good of a program comparatively to SS or razer...and its supported programs/custom hotkey/profiles including aspects like photoshop, or making photoshop macros on the g604. Even my blue yeti mic can access BLUE software etc through g-hub which is nice....Compared to a steelseries equipped msi laptop that has SS software+ logitech+razer(keyboard)....XD....yes i infact HAVE ran all 3....by virtue. And yes its as terrible an experience as you would imagine.
This was a great video Jay , your advice is very considerate of the consumers. Love to you and your staff
Well, if that's the case then shouldn't he request the "budget friendly" mobo's/CPU's/GPU's from these manufacturers for review to show the viewers instead of reviewing the the "top of the line" mobo's/CPU's/GPU's? By him saying this is one thing but by him doing it is another.
One question I'm always asking is "What do you want to do with it?" I can remember so many cases of fantastically over-powered machines used by people who are basically browsing. But beyond that basic level, the question is important to me because I'm not a gamer, but I am a video editor. So, I'm paying attention to processor, RAM, and a fast SSD as well as the parallel-processing aspects of the video card, not so much on FPS or other gaming metrics (looking more at workstation cards as opposed to gaming cards).
This. Very particular things 95% of people don't need: Bloated modern operating systems and gamer-caliber hardware to be able to run them. It is sad though that also websites have become horribly bloated, unnecessarily requiring overkill hardware for daily tasks. Plus, those very same websites tend to utilize those completely frivolous crappy state-of-the-art web technologies requiring newest-or-almost browsers, and there are few choices of them, all horribly bloated too.
True, 90% of the tasks i do on my pc i can do it on my 2009 pc as well.
90% of anyone using a PC can get by with a laptop with something like an i3 10110 and never have any problems.
95% can get by with a decent APU like R5 4300
It's only maybe that last 5% of users that need anything more.
A guy at a store tried to get my mother who'd browse facebook and maybe watch netflix a 1500$ laptop...Luckily I informed her before hand to not by anything before she checks with me. That's so disgusting to me because she doesnt understand it so the guy tried to exploit it.
As Gamers give us some recommendation then.
Thank you for all your content. It's really nice to see someone tell it like it is. I haven't built a new since 2012 with an AMD A6-5400K Dual core on a AsrockFM2A78M Pro3+ board. It still runs to this day. It is a little sluggish with the newer games like Subnautica and OSIRIS but it is not to the point where i wanted to upgrade. Now with VR and the newer games i am forced to upgrade. Your video helped me decide what i wanted to upgrade to. Thanks for the help, even though this video is 11 month old.
Damn bro, I thought i was a hold out with 4th gen intel & & rx580 😂 what kinda games you play?
@RhinoYTT my RX 580 is still running MSFS beautifully.
One trap I feel I might be falling into myself is trying to buy silenced everything. Silent fans, silent coolers, silenced case etc., all the while planning on using mid-to-low range components that won't draw that much power, and so are probably not even going to generate enough heat to need noisy cooling in the first place.
A friend of mine went down the same way as you, the only difference is, he has a pretty toasty GPU. Now he lives with the sound dampening front plate removed from his case otherwise his system suffocates.
@@CezarHernandez 😂 thats great honestly i kinda was like this on my first build but i learned after that i like better temps so i tend to be a bit aggressive on fan curves so i quit all that junk got a mesh case and some be quiet! silent wings 3 high speed version fans and boy am i happier than ever its never noticeable over my fan in the room lol
If you want silence, don't spend on "silent" fans... Spend on a custom loop instead. There is something to be said for a system that is completely quiet at anything below full load.
@@fermitupoupon1754 a custom loop would be more expensive than my 3 case fans and my aio lol
It is all about heat output.
The more power the more heat, therefore more cooling and larger cases.
There are great guides online and videos on how to choose components to minimise noise to an acceptable level without blowing the budget.
I like this video because it's educating people on how to not unknowingly over spend. There are so many videos where people are showing so many sick builds but not educating people on what is needed based on what your doing. I am an IT professional who usually builds something every 2 years or so. I just replaced my cougar conqueror case build with one using the Thermaltake P90 case. On my latest build I bought the corsair i150 GPU cooler with LCD ($289 plus tax) is over priced especially since I did not need a liquid cooler just wanted it for the screen and the look. I know I over paid to get the look I wanted. Knowing over paying is different from buying something you think you need and paying way to much for it and unknowing overpaying for something sucks. Glad your educating people who need to know the difference on what the difference is. Keep up the good work
My wife and I live in state without Microcenter, so finding graphics cards was tough. We were in a state with one, and she wanted a mid range card. The best deal we could get was a Strix 3060, which definitely is overkill, but the next step up of available cards were 1,000+ dollar cards😭
Sometimes you gotta get what you can get
i feel that alright. i got a 3060ti for 680$, cause everything cheaper wasnt in stock and everything better wasnt cheaper.
Gotta think, maybe... just maybe it will last you longer ? Probably not though. I bit the bullet on a 3070 and now they're already talking about 40 series cards. Lol.
I got an AMD RX6600 for pretty cheap a month ago. The prices came down another $20 since I bought it but it's still a pretty nice GPU with significantly less markup than an RTX 3060 (which is the nearest Nvidia equivalent). Yeah I know raytracing performance isn't as good but I don't really need that so...
I cant imag8ne spending that much anyways. A pc should cost no more than $1k
I drive past Microcenter literally every day on the way to work, and guess what! It's STILL tough to find graphics cards. 😄 At least the ones you want.
i paid $39.99 for my rgb fans that i got them plus it lights up my room good for nights with my wife LOL
Best advise NEVER jump on the first round of a new platform. As someone who does Blender animations on a Ryzen 9 3800X the new AM5 stuff looks sweet but I will wait till in matures a bit.
100% agree, a better upgrade is a used 5900x or 5950x and get a noticible improvement in blender.
If I was building a friend a new build I'd get them a 5600 because it will cover most people's work loads
Ryzen 9 3800x? Lmao gotta love autocorrect
Yeah I bought a 5950x despite the new CPUs dropping soon. Tried and tested and reliable, and very fast. Will do me fine for several years to come.
@@deadchannelfrom2018 lmao, yes gotta love autocorrections
Shouldn’t you do blender animations on gpu?
I’m curious as to why you’d pick a cpu to do your renders
Assuming AMD supports AM5 the same way they supported AM4, I could see buying a slightly more pricey board with pcie gen 5 so as to not need a mobo upgrade a few years from now when gen 5 might be a nice thing to have. Once again assuming they don't go the Intel route of effective only 1 cpu generation supported by mobos.
Pretty sure they already stated same platform through possibly zen 6.
@@tilapiadave3234 Are you seven years of age? Do you understand basic punctuation?
I just remembered that all the chipsets for the new AM5 socket are going to have a gen 5 storage slot which is the thing that's going to be useful first. That makes my above point kinda moot since GPUs aren't going to need more than gen 4 anytime soon.
@@tilapiadave3234 gr8 b8 m8
@@tilapiadave3234 you sound like a Intel fangoy nobody here said they are a amd fanboy Just out here fighting nothing shut up anyone that favors one over the other bc of the brand are idiots
I wanted 16gb DDR5 with a 12700K but after looking it up I ended up getting 32gb DDR4 with a 12600K and I have no regrets. The money I saved helped me get a 3070ti faster.
great 😀
Nice! I just upgraded from an i5 2500k (DDR3) so I wanted to go all in and went with an i7 12700k and 32Gb of DDR5. It made little sense to me to upgrade to DDR4 when DDR5 is already out.
My son who works for me turned me on to your channel. We do IT work. I have a higher end music studio and you are SO RIGHT about single core. When I am maxing my CPU for VST (Virtual Intruments) they mostly tax the single core capability. They also run in RAM (which is why I have 48GB RAM). So, when building I focused on that and as you stated, the guys obsessed with multi-core specs find their CPU spiking on large VST instruments and samples and wonder why. Homework homework homework. STOP HYPE STOP HYPE
Good work sir, I hope people listen.
Hi, I am finding the same problem running VSTs and am about to increase my RAM to 32 GB for that reason. I was wondering what sort of PC allows you to run 48 GB ? DO you keep your VSTs on an internal or external SSD? What sort of processor works best for DAW? Yours curious at.
@@ianbrown3304Likely 3 x 16GB sticks, which really isn't ideal as Jay said (better always have powers-of-2), but it works! =D
@@Kniffel101 there are 2x24GB kits
I love that Jay always says, I tell you something, but it's only my opinion, my point of view, my experience. But go on and check other UA-camrs, forums, inform yourself and build your own experience.
This is what our world needs, adults that actually educate themselve and not just believe everything someone says. Not only in fancy computer stuff or things like that.
yeah quad core systems are getting long in the tooth which means a 8 core is all the power you need 10 12 16 or more cores just a waste of money for now
Agree. Critical thinking is a lost art.
@@jesh879 yeah the cpu makers just put more cores into the cpu to try and get suckers to buy them like amd now making 24 core cpu's the new main stream cpu cause 16 wasn't overkill enough
What pisses me off is that sometimes, no RGB stuff is more expensive than stuff with RGB, and its harder to find.
No, I don't want my PC to look like a children's toy and I have to pay more for it apperantly
RGB can easily be turner off in software, unplugged, or not plugged in.
@@Aikano9 But why do I still have to pay for it if I simply do not want it?
@@Napoleon_Blownapart Personally I like RGB but I completely agree with you , if you are paying more for RGB , then it makes sense to buy without RGB. You can turn it off but you spend more on RGB , this is something we have to hope companies will understand. Not everyone like RGB lights. Even tho I love RGB , there is point where it gives me severe OCD. I would go as far to put black tape on my monitor green light or power bar red light because I get easily distracted , but now I'm used to it and RGB should be more of personal choice than forced on any product. I don't think it's childish to get one tho .
The PC market needs more of this. Thank you, Jay!
Putting together a pc for the first time and honestly, I'm mostly doing it so I can have myself a solid production/gaming rig that doesn't have *any* RGB in it lol. I personally don't like all the fancy schlock marketed towards gamers, and it's saved me quite a bit of money avoiding it.
I gotta thank you for this video (and your straight up approach for it). It's honestly appreciated because when one does start shopping for bits and pieces we often get bogged down by the marketing and "what's popular to have", which really fogs up what we really need. It hit home for me when you mentioned the fans...like I didn't even know that there's different bearing systems but I can tell you one thing: I've become quite familiar with the plethora of RGB software/controllers. It's annoying when you gotta think about your budget but there's no real guide as to this is what you ought to look for in fans, motherboards and reliable cooler on GPU.
So thanks a bunch man, I'm gonna be building a new system soon and considering going back to Intel (I jumped on Ryzen when it came out and it's carried me well).
Make sure you got a decent power supply, decent case and decent MOBO. A decent case should have good fans.
Regarding the psu/power supply 🙄 mentioned, I use *Sea Sonic*, it's a US company, and they have a calculator for what to get, my psu is over 10 years old, and touch wood I've had zero problems with it, they are guaranteed for 7 years.
I agree with a lot of these points, especially RGB, but generally when I build a pc I'm trying to make it as quiet as possible, so those bigger coolers and expensive fans do make a difference to me - not because they're big and shiny (the fans are normally noctua, not something covered in RGB) but because some of them are a lot quieter than others
but there are still others out there with nearly the same secs than noctua but at a way better price point. running a bunch of p12 in my system for the price of about 2 noctua fans. and i guess the bionix versions of them are even more quiet than the noctua ones. Dont get me wrong here noctua makes good fans but i dont get the point in buying them if there are alternatives out there that are just a bit bader but just cost a third.
Always love your takes and no nonsense approach. Looking out for consumers/subs. It is the reason I watch your content & use it as a reference point before looking for new equipment before I do any upgrades. I'm my own worst fiscal enemy and having you temper my purchases with common sense is greatly appreciated. Keep up the great content!
Recently bought the last pieces for a pc case, mobo and power supply ive bought around 3 years ago. And honestly, i could not make a better decision since i've spent a lot for me (2k) but with that i've not only completed the rig but alsogot myself an L shaped desk, all the peripherals (streamer mic, headset, keyboard, mouse and a nice monitor with a higher refresh rate that had nice reviews)
For a 20 year old, i am proud, hopefully i wont break something while putting it together lol
I pay extra to not have any RGB in my stuff. I'd probably have the Fractal case with no window and the Filco keyboard anyway, but being solid black with no LEDs is a must-have.
I like your style, I completely agree I also have a fondness for sleeper builds built in old office cases I just do not like the "gamer" looking cases I always liked professional metal cases.
yeah, rgb can die and go to hell
I feel you. I have a 50lb black sheet metal case with no windows and sound dampening material on the inside.
I would say all the light is a bonus, so the version without should be cheaper. Especially if it simply means not having the option to enable it.
I'm not fond of it myself. Especially if they want you to pay for it if you don't need/want it. It just costs more money and draws more power, which in turn costs more money in the long run.
BuT tHe RaInBoW lIGhTs MaKe YoUr SyStEm FaStEr! It's the rules!
I don't mind RGB, I frequently do a lot of stuff on my PC in the dark at night. Light is nice & if it can be fun, even better.
But I hate that RGB stuff is more expensive. Paying more to have NO RGB is just ridiculous :D (I have a feeling you're not 100% serious that you do that) because you can usually just disable it or set it to 1 single color.
But from what I've seen, many RGB components are more expensive but have less performance, so it's a waste.
My 980ti with a 4770k and 32 gb of ddr3 is still going strong as my VR machine. I'm waiting a year before doing a high end build.
My 980ti still rocks with a r5 3600.
Rx 590 user here. I'll upgrade when it dies!
Honestly if you aren't trying to game over 1080p you'll be fine for a while, keep saving king
I had 4690 with 1070 16gb ddr4 2666mhz. It was a great machine. Watercooled for only 500 bucks. It think it had worth it 4 years ago. 😍
Csgo at 4k, no problem, 1440p high refresh rate. No problem. Honestly we don't really need more.
I've been using corsair fans for years, finally did a build with less rgb and used some diyfab fans, 17$ for like 5. And honestly the fans are much better built, and perform at the same speeds with less noise. I love them and will probably step away from rgb fans in the future. Save me like 300 bones on my builds lol
Same. I stepped away from making my rigs look like a discotech a long time ago. In fact, I use cases with no see thorough features or lights (if I can find them!) - It helps save time and money on obsessing over all ridiculous nonsense that manufactures use to increases cost.
+300 bones PogU xqcL
That's what happens when more importance is applied to appearance than functionality. I buy a high quality black fan rated for 50,000 hours over a pretty RGB fan that won't last a month at five times the cost any day.
@@databloom70 That's why I keep my old all metal cabinets and re-paint them for new builds. They also keep all the RFI inside and out of my amateur radio gear.
I just bought a 3 pack of deepcool fans in ARGB for the front 3 intake only. I like how the ring and the blades have separate led's. But, if I don't want the RGB they are invisible behind the grill. All of my exhausts and cooler fans are just plain black.
My 2600k and 2500k work as well as ever, but I guess it's getting close to upgrading time. I haven't followed the world of components closely in along time so these types of videos are very valuable to me. Plextor m5 Pro from 2013 is getting sketchy too... :P The GTX 580 unfortunately gave up after almost 10 years, but fortunately I managed to find a 3070. After several months...
I just upgraded from an old 2550k and built a new one with am5 7600x and gave the old one to my kid.
I'm more for the clean no frills look. I have no extra RGB or LED that isn't on the motherboard.
@@vossman5
I totally feel ya, flashy lights are infuriatingly distracting. I hate pointless bling. Bling - for me - is something of pragmatic value. To each their own, I suppose.
Your 178% slower even at 5ghz
yes yay now i can capture oils again
Regarding RGB I find it harder and harder to get (quality) components without it, and that bugs me as I want my system to be streamlined and with no unneeded lights at all.
My main system right now has 1 green led for power on and 1 red for hd/m.2 activity, anything more... waste of energy.
Yes, however then they would just sit there as a waste. And I have seen systems where they decide to turn on after a winblows update.
Yea LEDs are a huge waste of energy for sure.
One thing about the RGB component of it. Kids really do care about it and it is important to them. I know when I built my daughters gaming PC I was excited because it got a 3060 GPU a 5600X CPU and 32 gigs of RAM. She was excited because it played video games and it was pretty to look at.
So true. I still can remember when my 10 y.o. cousin saw my PC and was going nuts with "oh wow! it lights up all red! it must be so powerful" and I was like: it's fine for a 2 y.o. PC - that was like 4 years ago.
Hey nothing wrong with RGB I wasn’t a huge fan until my 2yo son saw my PC with a couple light and he was so happy. So I built a new PC getting all of the RGB I could and he goes nuts every single time I turn it in and it makes me smile. Also my daughter who is 1 just stares at it haha. Totally worth the extra $ for the happy smiles from my little ones :)
Kids have always loved RGB. We feel it is ridiculous when we see mouse pads with RGB or things like that. But if you think about it... Kids have had RGB yo-yos that blink when used, and RBG shoes that blink with every step for decades.
There is something awesome about blinking lights when you are a kid.
I just built my 70 something year old mom a new candy crush PC. She HAD to have RGB parts......
@@barthez_ Red ones do go faster, after all
With YEARS of experience, I have never seen where extreme cooling pays off for overclocking purposes. The cost of the cooling will allow you to get the better CPU you are trying to over clock to.
Yeah, but things have kinda changed now. People were never puting 12, 13, 14 fans in a cases before like it was nothing. I'm almost tempted to overclock simply just because of how cool all those fans keep everything
Amen
I have been telling this to people. Unless they have a top spec system, just get better components instead of paying a fortune for water cooling.
On water I struggle to keep my 5950x under 85c lol. And on my plex server (3950x) also water cooled....when I hit around 4 or 5 4k transcodes...things runs pretty toasty as well lol. My 5950x is overclocked but my 3950x is stock and runs above 80c often.
Hell I have been struggling to keep my HDDs cool in my NAS lol, those Ironwolf's when stacked all together run pretty damn hot.
My Corsair RGB lights for my rad fans stopped working like a month in. Fans work great still. Funny enough I ended up turning off all the RGB in my build because I find it distracting.
I did NZXT's build a pc online setup about 2 years ago and my pc is still running fantastic. Nothing but good things from them so far!
I'm genuinely struggling on picking parts for a new build where i have little to no rgb. The only time i've found it desirable was when i found a way to make my gpu light change based on temp, but that was more for diagnostics/monitoring
You can turn off RGB in the bios for Asus boards. In a lot of gpus you can just unplug the lights. Ram can be bought without RGB. Same with fans. Artic water coolers come in all black and are a good price/performance
It's really hard to do, I specifically wanted as little lighting as possible in my rig because A) bright light annoying and B) meh and C) excessive costs
Yet my system still has some rainbow vomit coming off the GPU and no I don't wanna take it apart just to unplug the LEDs lol.
@@The_Man_In_Red yeah pretty much the same for me. The only thing that has rgb is the logo on my msi gpu :)
Agreeing! I was never fussed on RGB...but its become something of a comfort thing as I have gotten into the habit of looking to see if all the fans are spinning and nothing is on fire inside! I just run a solid dim light torquoise colour to keep check of everything visually. Hate flashing strobing nonsense
I absolutely loathe rgb. It’s infuriating how most high end gaming parts are saturated with it. It is all but impossible to find high end ram with fast clocks and low latency in white or silver without rgb. It’s impossible to find a high end beefy gpu that doesn’t look like it belongs in a unicorns bowel movements. Want a white fan or aio without rgb? Too freaking bad. Same with motherboards. They just assume everyone wants that garbage all over everything. And then I look at the new stuff and see they are still trying to push black and red boards, weird black and gold boards, and basically nothing that looks good. And when you do finally see something that looks good, it has a ridiculous 1000-2000 dollar price that can’t be justified.
The biggest upgrade I ever did was getting a VRR display (freesync, g-sync). Because it removed the hunt for "greater hardware" if I couldn't reach 60fps in AAA games (due to vsync stutters/latency/tearing). With VRR, I am honestly still satisfied using my old core i7 4770k-rig and a 6600XT. I can easily run multiplayer games at 120fps+ at 1440p, AAA games generally run at 60-90fps. Meanwhile the most demanding CPU-bound titles like Cyberpunk I can choose an arbitrary fps-cap like 50fps and Instead use the GPU overhead to super sample the image using 4K and the game's built-in dynamic resolution scaler. This results in substantially better image quality, hoverering around 1600p-1800p, super sampled down to 1440p. 50fps is still very responsive and 60fps-like enough to feel smooth and responsive. So yes, you can definitely get away with aging hardware, enjoying the latest and greatest titles out there. VRR has been a godsend in that regard.
When thinking about upgrading I usually go by the idea "is this use case/game worth the extra expense?" Because, usually, it's not since I already have a "good enough" experience. I think I will wait until there is a broad adoption of the Unreal 5 Engine in games. And of course, that there are several demanding games I ACTUALLY want to play. Then I will consider upgrading. Because right now upgrading will really just result in a small incremental improvement. (not theoretically in static benchmarks, but perceptually during everyday use, it won't be that much of an upgrade)
There's AMD's FidelityFX Super Resolution as well
I was hoping someone was going to mention this...out of all the upgrades and effort trying to get more performance, Trying my PC on an LG OLED tv/monitor with a HDMI 2.0 cable opened up the entire system! My Mid range monitor sits collecting dust for over a year now... The performance of OLED and VVR is outstanding!
@@NwaHp3 Yeah, the screen is something I would encourage the PC crowd to spend their money on instead of that weird notion that they require the latest "platform". Heck, the 4770k rig is something I dug out of a electronics recycle dumpster 2 years back. xD The only thing that was bad was the GPU fan (because of this somebody threw the whole system away o_O). I took it apart, cleaned all the components (until they looked new), re-pasted the CPU, added my own cooler, nvme SSD (using a PCIe adapter), chassi and PSU. Honestly, it looks new, it feels new and very snappy. It's kind of crazy of how much e-waste western countries throws away, either because they think it's broken or they want the latest shiny stuff..
I never took the plundge to OLED though. I mean, I know how great it is. But I live in a tiny studio apartment and mostly do desktop tasks on my computer. Unfortunately the large size of OLED screens and burn-in makes it a no go for me. But at least I can enjoy VRR on my high quality 170Hz 1440p IPS monitor :)
@@TheSinkingGarage Yeah that as well. i still don't use FSR (except cyberpunk as a way to utilize dynamic resolution scaling to super sample the image). I still haven't found an application for it yet (most games run great at native 1440p with a 6600XT). But with the advent of FSR 2.0 I believe it will result in me keeping my 6600XT comfortably for much much longer. I just hope that the GPU manufacturer would supply game ready drivers for like 10 years. Generally AMD has been better than nvidia at this, because usually the performance of nvidia cards plummet in newer games, especially if a GPU is 3 generations or older.
@@PixelShade Burn is a myth on modern oleds now... LG have multiple features that stop it and if you do your part like pixel refresher (only takes 5 minutes every month) and pixel mover on and auto dim is on you will never get burn-in.. Ive had mine for over a year and not one hint of it..and i leave it on stationary screens all the time...it will actually turn the screen off, if left to long
Yea your right about the waste that comes from peoples ignorance! Fair play for breathing new life into that discarded hardware.. love stories like that!
Man this is some solid advice. I’m doing my build now and it’s making me think what I really need vs what the products will provide.
I use openRGB software to control the RGB lighting in my computer and peripherals it works with almost all brands very lightweight software highly recommend
True, openRGB is the best solution for me (I can also sync my light bulbs Wiz with my setup)
In keeping with the theme of this video I would like to give a shoutout to Microcenter, I was choosing components and had not built or kept up with motherboard tech over the last 5 years or so and needed some pointers. The build your own pc tech at MC pointed out that all the boards they carried had the same bus overheard and the only major difference was over clocking functionality which I had no interest in, making my choice and their recommendation super easy, cheapest board they had on the shelf and I’ve been super happy with it. 😊
it's gonna be Asus either way............................
There are minor differences in motherboard that should not be overlooked:
Size: EATX, ATX, MATX, ITX. Matx boards are usually the cheapest, but you lose expansion slots.
Slot layout. Maybe you want to add a sata card to do raid. Maybe you want thunderbolt. Maybe you need 4G/5G cellular connectivity. Make sure the slot layout meets your needs.
M.2 slots. How many M.2 SSDs do you need to connect? If you have leftover SSDs from older computer, you might need more slots.
Wifi + bluetooth. Some boards don’t have them.
USB ports. Does it have the quantity and speed you need? There’s a lot of ports on motherboards these days, but if you need USB-C or 20Gbps ports, make sure they are there in a convenient location (front vs back ports)
Audio chip. Newer, better chip have better SNR and lower distortions. Also audio jacks / spdif that your sound system needs.
Fan headers. Do your case support many fans? Make sure you have enough fan headers for your case / setup.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: case and power supply matter more than anything else. Get a quality case with plenty of airflow and a quality power supply with plenty of wattage FIRST. Then worry about everything else.
For budget GPUs, Worst part is PCIe Gen 4/5 is important to the far budget end, which previously did not have access to Gen4/5 as those cards have cut down PCIe lanes causing actual performance differences. New budget builders should have this problem.
This is a GREAT video. Many more people should watch it. We are the ones to blame for the price spikes we are experiencing.
yes!
we buy overkill. who the fuck needs 32gbs of ram for gaming!!!! pornhub tabs maybe... but not gaming lol i took advantage of prices rn and down graded to 16 gbs but faster clockspeed 40$. guess what still buttery smooth. i really overpaid for 150$ two years ago for 32gb ram i wont use. smh
@@kimjmarley9674 you do have a case for 32gb ram these days actually
@@yol_n unless you're running simulations. No.
@@abdou.the.heretic before you would buy 16gb ram to future proof these days you buy 32gb ram to future proof since most titles run 16gb anyway
@@yol_n I played RDR2 on a 16GB ram laptop with RTX 3070 ti. Never seen ram usage higher than 9 Gigs. But some unoptimised mess would eat up a lot more. So I beg to differ. And I based my opinion/standards on RDR2. And I used to write simulations that benefit from the extra ram, hell even two desktop RTX 2080s on SLI (not sure if correct on the term, I forgot if they still use SLI), coupled with 48 gigs of ram really struggles when writing proprietary simulation instead of using systems like Physx by Ageia.
Hey Jay, I’ve been a long time follower and you helped me with so many PC builds and I think you for that! I’ve kind of lost my love for gaming unfortunately but you’ve taught me PC skills that will last a lifetime! Your a great guy and a great dad! Keep up the good work. Godspeed
Little sidenote to the PCIe 5.0 preamble: While I agree that PCIe 4.0 is not needed for GPUs for the most part, it must be noted that there are some edgecases where PCIe 4.0 vs. 3.0 does result in a significant performance difference. GPUs with both limited VRAM and PCIe lanes have been shown to significantly drop in performance on gen 3 when they need to frequently swap data in and out of VRAM. The most prominent example for such a card would be the RX 6500 XT.
I know this was not the focus of the point made in the video, since it's more about PCIe 5.0, but PCIe 4.0 vs. 3.0 was mentioned as well and I think this is a necessary disclaimer to the sentiment of not trusting anyone who tells you that PCIe generation does matter.
The problem with the RX 6500 XT is that it uses only 4 lanes of the PCIe bus. So it needs PCIe 4.0 to have enough bandwidth, especially when running out of VRAM. If it used 8 lanes or more it would've been ok and PCIe 4.0 would've not made a difference. Still, a valid point you made.
im speaking as someone with a gen 3 drive...that really isnt in a rush to get a gen4 drive or use/enable SAM with my 3070 as it is. I equally have no rush to run an ALL GEN 5.0 on CPU lane system either...im not a working professional with my system nor do i work with content creation or massive file transfers/backups etc. I really dont see the need personally or justification for these x670 E boards...or a board with 4 HDMI 2.1 outs...as i highly doubt ill be using an IGPU that extensively simultaneously with a dedicated GPU.
Tbf, he only said to run away from someone who tells you that you need gen 5.
Ok, this was a year ago. Is it now time for ddr5?
I feel what JayzTwoCents is forgetting sometimes when he recommends not getting the newest technologies, is there are people out here holding on to their computers for 6-7 years. I'm still rocking an i7-4790K. If I'm getting a new machine, I'm not getting one that's going to be out-dated in two years.
Also on an i7-4790k. I only want to upgrade for additional cores for emulating PS3. In my case, as many cores as possible at a reasonably high base clock is a good choice
You won't need more than 8 cores anytime soon, just the highest possible clock speeds On zen4. I'm
on a 5820k, still doing well in gaming and doesn't bottleneck my 3090 at 4k.
I upgraded my 4790k a few months back to a 5800x... The difference is huge so next gen will be crazy upgrade for you, the bugger is it's new mb, CPU and ram....
@@firedrapeon6012 Well, I use my computer for 3D rendering and simulation. I can practically utilize as many cores as I can pay for. But that's not my point, my point is, if I'm not buying a new computer every 2 years and trying to flip my systems. Buying a CPU and motherboard that supports DDR5 is really just trying not to be too far behind the curve in 5 years. Buying DDR4 now, in a system I expect to use for high end applications for the next 5 years, doesn't seem like the best course of action.
Dude that STILL doesn’t negate what he said. It’s still dumb to buy the very newest components
I remember a Tech Tuber I watch was suggesting these Scythe fans because a 3 pack was ~$15 and they sold out crazy quick. I'm glad I scooped them up because they have been really solid. I don't care about RGB, just want the cooling.
arctic fans are solid too.
@@bertracoon1884 I've gotta admit, i I tried the Arctic p14 and p12, but they had a very annoying hum around 800-1000 rpm, so i switched them out for the stock fractal fans again.
Next time im buying Noctua
@@Hjorth87 you shouldn't really hear much noise when you have a headset on playing games anyway.
Still running my 1600 rpm S-flexes here to =) 11 years now and counting!
Gentle Typhoon, from Scythe (or Nidec)... or one of the many copies, like the Noctua A-series.
Only thing I can say about high core count, while it may not be necessary now, it might be before you upgrade the next time. Back when I upgraded from 2000 series to 6000 series Intel, I was torn between the i7 and i5. I really wanted the i7 for more cores\performance\etc...However, every publication
eviewer always said the same thing, "You don't need more that 4 cores for gaming. Most games only use 2 cores anyways... i7s are just for production workloads." So I got the i5 and saved $100. Fast forward a few years, and games do use more than 4 cores. That i7 was still a top tier gaming CPU, but the i5 had fallen quite a bit down the charts. The i7 probably could've lasted me a few more years, but instead I felt I need to upgrade sooner.
Not saying it's always the case, and you may not see the benefit right away. BUT... spending an extra $100-$200 might extend the life of your system a couple years and actually save you money log term if you aren't upgrading every couple years.
Yes, thank you. When I finally upgrade from my 4 core 4 thread i5, I'm going at least 6 core but probably 8 core. I don't need 16 cores, that's for sure, most games don't utilize 8 cores, let alone the 16 threads the chip has available, so I feel like it's a decent option for longevity. By the time you need more than that it will be time to upgrade.
I grabbed that 4790k back in the day and it beasted for years. Year and a half with a 5900x and I know I can sit for generations with no problem.
Now core count is useless. 4 to 8 cores is more than enough and more is overkill for everything.
Just waiting for 13th gen to drop the 6700k finally. Some games really do hate that processor but 90% still work great. I always buy top of the line-ish and then sit on it for 5-7 years. If I get a 13900k on launch, I am sure in a couple years as the tech matures I'll be happy I did.
More cores means you can have more crap running in the background without impacting main user application performance. Trust me on this. It does make a difference. Now if all you do is discord and then some gaming with chrome open, then yeah, 6-8 cores will do you plenty. 4 is stretching it nowadays. Again depends entirely on your use case. I develop stuff, CAD, simulations, renders, gaming, some video editing, and more cores is always welcome for my general workflows.
I transitioned from a delidded 4790k (maxed out to the walls in terms of memory cl10 2400 with stupid fast subtimings ~36ns latency and samsung 960 pro ssds) to a 5950x (with cl16 3733 and the same ssds) my immediate response after loading into windows was, "huh, the system feels slower". I can't say if it actually was but that was the first impression I got from just browsing around the ui of windows. It took a $350 optane cache for that "slowness" to disappear. However, the difference became immediately noticeable once more than 1 resource heavy applications started to be used.
Don't go for less than 8 cores if you plan on not upgrading your system in ~2 years.
I am buying new parts for my pc right now and was struggling to chose what i should buy.. That video was really helpful because i had the exact same thought about my motherboard and processor.
The one exception to "Big Coolers on Mediocre GPUs" I will approve of is noise. A dual 120mm fan running at 50% is way quieter than a single 80mm fan running at 100%.
My Nvidia Founder's edition blower card is 10x louder than my FTW triple fan card at 100% load.
well, that, and still managing decent cooling after some dust accumulation..
we need more honest reviewers like you.
Great job pointing out these! Consumers need to be the one controlling the market. But companies would try to create unnecessary hypes to get their products/services be the necessities we don't need but want to get. It should reach a point in technology history when computers and smart devices get really affordable with performance standard that are accessible to everyone on the planet.
I totally agree with you on DDR5 and changing for PCIe5, there is a small benefit of PCIe5 that you can use less lanes per device as devices come available
"I've never once experienced a CPU that seem like it was being held back by putting it on a lower end motherboard"
You should try to put even a 12600k on a "officially supported" B660 lower-end board, like some of the ASRock ones.
But do it Jay, try it. And you'll be surprised by the results... very unpleasantly surprised.
HWB did test this, and even a 12600K was choked off of 20% of it's performance by insufficient power delivery.
Jay never touches any of these midrange or budget products. He doesn't know how poorly designed they are.
Well, that's Intel being Intel..
@@johnhb123 I do not think Intel have to take all the flak for this. Sure, their 12th Gen CPU are furnances comparing to AMD's offering, but still... Mobo manufacturers are to blame too, trying to save every tenth of a penny on all but extreme high-end mobos... Maybe if Intel was more strict regarding power delivery of their platfoms...
Is that 20% reduction in it's single threaded performance(that everyone uses) or 20% reduction in it's multi-threaded(that only content creators etc. use) performance? Is it really being held back if most people won't notice the difference in multi-core performance? Is every non hardcore computer being held back because they are not being excessively overclocked with the use of liquid nitrogen cooling?
@@longdang2681 Man, when a CPU throttle itself because of not enough power being fed to him, there is no "single core" or "multi core". It's plain performance. your shiny new 12700k can become a 12400 if choked hard enough, while you, the user, still have payed 12700k money.
The part about the excessive power phases, its kinda funny because I did the exact opposite when I built my current PC and got a really cheap motherboard with very few power phases that don't have any heatsink on them and they get stressed hard every time I hit my Ryzen 5 2600 processor with a heavy load. Initially they hit 100+C and after adding some tiny heatsinks, better airflow, and undervolting they still peak at ~70C.
Should have spent a bit more money on a better board in the first place honestly because of the all headaches I had to go through to keep temps under control aren't really worth it looking back at it.
Yes, I'd like to know what a good number of power phases on the MB would be. Maybe 8 to 10 for overclocking? Could we go as low as 6 if not overclocking?
I'm out of touch with modern hardware, I'm still using an overclocked Ryzen 5 1600 with a 6-phase MB and VRM heatsink and it runs cool and stable but it held me back a small bit on the OC of the CPU - I got to 3.8 GHz easily but couldn't go higher and stable without a massive increase in voltage.
I have got a asrock b450 pro 4 with my 1600, overclocked the crap out of it to 4ghz about 1.4 voltage and from 2666 to 3400 mhz on the ram, about 1.39 voltage, works great, have been using it for over an year
Look at reviews of motherboards and if they include temperature testing of the motherboard PCB itself. Review sites should have those to give you a good idea of how well power is handled on them and you can make a more informed decision from there.
@@donkeysunited Actually Hardcore Overclocking is a great source for that kind of info
@@Roman8707 That is solid advice and one that I failed to do when I got motherboard haha. It was a bit of a rushed purchase at the time as I didn't have a working computer (old one gone wonky apart from hard drive failing) and didn't have the time to do research and look at reviews, but despite that I should have splurged a bit more on the B450 board instead of the weird crappy one that's called a A320 (but actually has a B350) I got. Needless to say I'll be doing my research moving forward.
I'll wait for DDR5 to get faster, have better latency while being more affordable. Early adopting sometimes means paying twice, so I'm fine.
Yea i figure im 4+ years away from.even looking at dd5. I have a ryzen 9 and have no reason to upgrade it for that long anyway probably longer
I just watched this video a year after release and find two take away gems. First, I agree with pretty much everything you said, which is unusual in itself, and gives me confidence I have caught up with the key aspects of modern computer tech after a decade or so away from keeping up to date. Second gem is nothing has really changed in a year. The advice in this video is just as relevant now as it was a year ago. Maybe high speed USB etc connectors could be added to the list of unnecessary features?
Only one aspect I have a mildly differing opinion, and that's the oversize coolers on graphics cards. I like my computers silent and for years I have put up with low power but 100% passive cooled graphics cards. When I saw cards costing 100's of dollars with three fans I laughed and rejoiced in my 100% silent card that runs the occasional game at 1080p and no more for my old eyes wont be tell the difference!
It took being donated a graphics card to find that these extra fans are actually used to spin slower and quieten things down. Not to make as much noise as possible as the old graphics cards fans used to do! When was this change made? So anyway, if an oversize cooler helps quieten things down, then that is a cost paid once, and the benefits enjoyed every time the computer is used for non-gaming purposes in particular.
I suggest that your comparison with a Ferrari with Honda engine is a little harsh, since there is an actual real world benefit with that oversize cooler. It's quite possible for anyone who uses their computer for mainly productive reasons may find that the extra quiet operation benefits far exceed a tiny frame rate increase they could barely perceive with old eyes not remotely interested in the burden of unnecessarily high resolution displays!
That's another thing to add to the list of unnecessary tech! Ultra high rez displays. Astonishing power requirements to move so much memory around so quickly whose greatest effect can be seen on the electricity bill and the planet. Imagine Greta's face! Maybe an updated video Jay, to show how little actually needed updating. That is a powerful insight in itself in my opinion.
I've been saying exactly this about CPU's/core counts for years now, especially in the realm of laptops! The laptop market is the worst for it... They keep throwing in i7s and even i9s and the ryzen equivalents into MIDTIER gaming laptops where 80% of those cores/threads will never be needed not to mention they'll end up thermally throtteling due to the higher wattage of those chips. Instead it would be much better if the extra money spent on those fancier cpus were spent on things that might make a real difference like better GPU, higher quality screen, higher frequency ram in the case of ryzen models, etc
Finally someone said it! I remember when I bought my Legion 7i and I saw configurations that had an i9 paired with a 3060.
SCREENS.
So many laptops still ship with potato class TN panels. Especially in the budget to lower midrange tier.
I think you can still get potato class TN panels in thousand-dollar hardware!
Especially with display tech prices coming down, there's no excuse anymore. Even my dad's potato 2 in 1 has a good screen in it, while my Lenovo Ideapad that probably cost twice as much has a potato screen that my 15 year old laptops can outperform.
Why does my Pentium 1 laptop from 1999 still have a better screen than my factory perfect $500 budget thin and light?
Agree, no need for a high TDP part on a thin laptop that will throttle anyway and actually run slower than a model with a cheaper CPU.
Doesn't Intel change cache size with its core counts? would that effect gaming?
@@pbiza Enlarging the cache will definitely improve performance in a lot of tasks. For tasks that aren't well optimised for multicore execution it'll do more than increasing the core count would.
Great video. It's true that a lot of things you can slap into a PC these days are frivolous, unnecessary or complete overkill.
That's pretty much what I concluded too on PCIe 4.0 when the B550 was announced, that we don't really need em' anytime soon
But then AMD (and eventually Nvidia too) started gimping out on PCIe lanes on lower-end GPUs
What's to say that it won't happen again in the near future?
Maybe some PCie 5.0 x2 graphics card is already in the works years down the road...
If that happens nobody will buy it but OEMs with proprietary board designs like Dell. So on the consumer market it is a clear cut what is the market to sell and there you have PCIe 3.0 in like the majority 75%+ systems and a slowly increasing changeover into 4.0 So we might see more of the 8x 4.0 but nobody with a brain cell left will buy them. And for that these cards are dead on arrival for the do it yourself pc builder market, which the majority of AIBs cater too. Nopp it will not happen and who makes it happen will get punished by a undersold product and never do it again.
i mean B550s also had cattawumpus PCI/SATA priority so if you had too many sata/ports populated you could potentially force your GPU to be 8x on pci-e.....SO even if you wanted a multi drive system...and a single nvme drive for OS etc...you could potentially force that build/system into 8x on gpu...depending on how many/which sata ports were populated. MEANWHILE "MODERN" future computing is headed towards sam/direct storage access/utilization be it sam/win11 etc....PUSHING more or less....an EMPHASIS on a contingent drive to gpu orientation or board/feature set....in order to support this "BARELY SUPPORTED" in games currently "FEATURE". MUCH LIke amd hitting the "SCENE" with gen 4 support "FIRST".....as if the majority of those builds/systems were worth writing home about...let alone worth using a gen 4 drive in..outside of working professionals/content creators.
I actually really like my Liani Li fans. I didn't necessarily buy them for the performance (even though it's excellent) i bought them because they look perfect with my system. I also had the money to spend so it wasn't a big deal paying up a bit for what i really wanted. Absolutely no regrets.
read this as i have lian li stuff being shipped to my house. stuff that is really arguably unnecessary
thank you jay, i am considering myself well and truly educated after watching this video. i always find your videos very insightful, i am a complete novice when it comes to pc builds and i am currently researching all the components i want in my gaming rig. i love all the points you raised and arguments for and against the latest and greatest tech... thanks to this video alone i am no longer considering the ddr5 route and i will stick to ddr4 instead as u have highlighted i probably wont come close to utilising what ddr5 will bring for my end user needs. keep doing what you do..i alone appreciate your knowledge when it comes to all things pc :)
I agree with you, mostly. The maglev fans run -forever- though, and are well worth the money. You still have to clean the dust out every once in awhile, but even if you don't they'll last way longer than any contact bearing.
Either way, us greybeards know that you can build way cheaper than if you forgo the RGB nonsense, and spec your motherboard for what you want to do (power/features/etc).
A normal rifle bearing fan can run forever too if it's reasonably balanced. I have some cheapies that have worked for 20 years with maybe one or two grease replacements. FDB should have pretty much no metal on metal contact in operation, and rifle bearing is like the cheaper intermediate step of that idea.
I actually have installed a Sunon maglev on my 3D printer and I kind of regret it, it's weirdly vibration sensitive, which is not great being slung around. It kind of starts rubbing which tells me the whole non contact thing is a bit of a myth. I killed a sleeve bearing fan previously so I thought this would be a good upgrade, but then also the electronic control needed to be reworked because Sunon Stall Guard is weird and kept getting triggered. Next time I'm putting in a double ball bearing fan, which might be a noise compromise nominally but for a radial high pressure fan not really, and it's the standard and recommended solution for machinery.
I think high end pc cases should be added to the list like a 200 or 300 dollar case
nah really just tempered glass cases....these days a glass panal case can end up choking the airflow because it wasn't designed with airflow in mind. (i.e. having a glass panel in front instead of a mesh)
I'm buying parts to build my first pc now (piece by piece, hoping that things like gpu and cpu will drop) and I thought that the nzxt h510 flow was pretty high end.... It's like 80 euros or something, which is the less cheap version bc I thought the flow would be a lot better over the normal version.
Nonetheless, I thought this was a premium, high tier case and that this explainedwhy I payed 80 euros for it.
Only for me to watch this video and read your comment talking about 200-300 usd/eur cases... I can't even imagine what you're getting for that
My last build was in 2018 and is still running strong, I left behind childish concepts of funky lights, it's a black box, clean cables, no manufacturer stickers, it feels like a matte black stealth bomber where you can't tell how powerful or weak it is, and that's part of the mind-game, inconspicuous. The only "rgb" in it is the GPU and I've set it to glow white, that's it.
"I'm gonna tell you about crap you don't need that they're peddling." ...then advertises NZXT that comes with parts that won't work unless you run their horrible data-mining software. 😂
Still love your channel :D
Hes a money grubbing shill... its obvious at this point.
Nzxt should be boycotted... not advertised.
He still has to make money tbf
what a boss 😂
You read my mind
I always buy basic fans first, see if they are great, then go for the rgb version of those same fans later. It's usually the same tech with just a bonus "fps increase" attached to it. :P
Nice to see you here
I just dont have enough money to buy a new pc. I just use the old pc i bought from a friend. Its like 6 or more years old, but its enough for me, because i dont care that much about the potencial, because i just dont need it
I always buy Noctua and forget about buying fans ever again. Totally worth the premium. If I ever want to change the fans, I put the Noctuas back into their box and store them for later builds, they last a lifetime.
I will buy nothing but Noctua.
this is why love arctic fans and coolers , so cheap , and pretty quiet ive found them to be very reliable too
@@jackass315 yes! They are what I install for every pc that comes in to the shop, such a great value.
What's pretty shameful is that a lot of programs can't even use multithreading properly or at all
If you have a program that crashes on you, odds are it's down to multithreading. It's one of the hardest things in programming. (Cache invalidation is a close second, in my opinion.)
If someone is making a game and they wanted to use all the available cores, those games will need to work with anywhere from 4 cores to 24 cores. IF the game works fine with 4 cores, why not only ever use 4 cores?
To put this in context - programming is just making a painfully detailed todo list. Multithreading is having lots of people to do bits of the list (sub lists, if you will), but in order to work you often can't continue until you have all of the sub-lists completed. The threads can't communicate with each other without 'synchronizing' which basically means that one thread stops and waits for the other to have finished changing something, then it can do it's bit.
Synchronizing isn't cheap - if you end up having to synchronize too much, it'll be slower than just doing all the work on one thread.
If the programmer made a mistake and a bit of memory is read by one thread while it's being written by another, that's when you get a crash. Really difficult to catch because there are no tools that can automatically check this sort of thing for you, multiple programmers will work on a bit of code, and it may work fine 99% of the time, so testing is a nightmare.
Multi-core processors are great if you are doing something which really lends itself to multithreading, or doing lots of separate things (e.g. running a bunch of VMs), but for the majority of PC users you will notice no difference between a 6 core and a 16 core processor, other than your wallet will be lighter.
@@slartibartfasttynsol420 As an aspiring programmer myself and former Best Buy/Future Shop computer salesman I really appreciate your comment. I spent years at Best Buy explaining to customers the difference between multi threaded performance and single threaded performance so I could show some basic benchmarks and know my customers were understanding the numbers they were looking at. I would often explain it fairly similar to your own explanation. That most tasks the computer does must happen in order, especially if its a rather interactive program. If its waiting for you to tell it to do something, does it, then waits for the next thing; probably mostly single threaded application. Multi threading is simultaneous computation at parts of a problem or task. It's important that order doesn't matter, like multiplication, compression, decompression, what part of the screen gets rendered first, etc. These types of tasks would benefit from multithreading. Not to say that multithreading is not useful, just rarely used to the extent that our computers are capable of. Task manager can be rather informative about this kind of thing if you know where to look.
people could make everything use it, but more isnt always faster
Yeah...i agree comepletely. I upgraded just a few weeks ago to R5 5600, ROG Strix B550-F, 1 GB Samsung 980 M.2, and moved a 1080, a couple of SATA SSDs and 16 GB of 3200 DDR4 over from the old system. It might not be flashy, but performance pr $ is great and it is actually plenty powerful enough to do some real work too. That system would be enough for 99% of non-enthusiast users. Certainly enough for me.
To add: Adobe says (IIRC) that its software can take advantage of multiple cores, but once you get more than eight cores you don't get much more performance by adding cores.
Yeah feels like once you're at 8 cores the only thing helping is frequency unless you have some software optimized for parallelization
Many cores are very niche, I'd say 3D rendering and virtualization. And even 3D rendering is a lot done by GPUs today.
8 cores (really 4 core pairs) for the application. A couple of additional cores give the operating system (and other applications running with lower priority) a place to run where they will not distract the 8 cores running the high priority application.
Adobe stopped being relevant years ago when they locked their applications and file formats behind overpriced subscription bundles. They only exist as a dying monopoly that still control access to some of their old stuff such as their editor file formats.
Been doing a lot of back and forth on this topic too recently. But I finally decided to stick AM4 and build a beast rig in current gen. I am upgrading from a Ryzen 1800x and GTX 1080 to an entire new build with Ryzen 5950x and 3080 Ti. It will be for multiple tasks (music production/streaming/gaming) As a music producer I want my DAW to be able to run with no CPU hesitation, which is why I opted for such a powerful one. A lot of Plug ins now a days (like Soothe 2) can be extremely intensive on the Processor and I am going to see how much of a difference in latency I’ll experience coming from my old rig. I’ve always looked to your videos for wisdom and always appreciate what you have to say! Thanks Jay!
Even if it's a dead end, you get a matured platform and it will last long enough for the new one to be mature too
Great decisions, but be wary of pc dogshit elitist. Mf start flaming me for bought a new pc( mind you this was my first build ever since i live, never had any pc system before) and they said why wouldn't you wait bla bla bla. Motherfucker expect i have 5000 usd sitting in living room.
I’m working on a similar build. I’m coming up from a 3600X and a 1050ti on X570. I’ve already gotten my hands on a 5950X. Just gotta get a new PSU and get some money aside for the GPU.
@@guillaumejoop6437 Yep, it's one of the reasons I opt to go with Ryzen 9 5950X instead of waiting for the next gen. I did this a few months ago. I also recently upgraded my 7 year old GPU to XFX RT 6900 XT Limited Black Edition and it's a kick ass card for under $1k!
Slapped a RX 6600 into my pc the other day, considered getting a new CPU but thought I'd try the 3400g I already had, and yeah, it powers through most games.
4 core is still a powerhouse, I will eventually go for a 6-8 for future proofing but the system is running 1080p nicely
What about cyberpunk? I'm stuck between an i5-12400f and a i3-12100f, both with the rx 6600, and all of this is mainly for cyberpunk.
@@gasterd5528 I've only got cyberpunk on series s sorry so I dunno 🤣 but from the looks of things should run at medium at 30-60 1080p
@@snuggstcg "it seems I need to do everything myself". Thanks anyway, I will check when I complete the build.
@@gasterd5528 I had i5-9600k. CPU bottleneck in cyperpunk was huge, and I have Vega 64 playing 1440p res.😂 I couldn't get more fps when lowering settings. Upgraded the cpu to 5800X3D on black friday. That game is pretty heavy on cpu...and gpu ofc.
My 6600k at 4.8ghz is absolutely pegged on most games lol. Upgrading it to the 7700x with the sales AMD has going on.
I have to admit, I’ve had the same thoughts and absolutely agree 99% with everything you said. These are the same list I would have said myself. These youngsters are driving up prices with their marketing-driven unnecessary purchasing power. It’s shocking to me what’s become popular due to how unusable it generally is.