I think the cpu made the biggest difference in improved performance here. The 4060ti isn't actually too much better than the 3060. In a real world situation like this i would say it's only worth the jump in performance if you go for a 4070 or above
The reason I tested at different resolutions and game settings was to make sure I could heavily load the CPU and GPU. So at 1080p with low settings the CPU was heavily loaded in games whereas at 1440p with medium/high settings the GPU was heavily loaded. That means when you look at the data, 1080p will show the improvement due to the CPU whereas 1440p will show the improvement due to the GPU. With that in mind you are correct that the CPU change results in a larger improvement in gaming performance however there is still a large and meaningful improvement due to the 4060Ti ... it is a significant upgrade over the 3060.
@@blackbirdpctech yes you do definitely see a noticeable improvement with the 4060ti. But personally if it was me making the upgrade it just wouldn't be worth it. If it was me I would upgrade to the 5700x3d first, then save up some more and go with a 4070 Super or 7800xt if I wanted to spend less. This would also allow me to jump from 1080p to 1440p. So for my money I've completely transformed the experience I'm getting, rather than just having a noticeable improvement in fps. To be fair, the 4060ti made more of a difference in your benchmarks than I originally expected. If people want to make smaller upgrades but more often, then fair enough it's their money. But for my money I would make larger improvements less often
That makes sense … I specifically avoided the 4060Ti 8GB model and went with the 16GB version … the bandwidth is still limited but at least you will have some longevity.
It is amazing ... back in the day I used to use a flashlight with a directional head but it would never be shining light where I needed it ... these head mounted ones are awesome for PC builders ... especially as you get older 😉
@@blackbirdpctech I use a 20x magnification headset that also has a directional light built into it. I bought it for working on watches but it's amazing for PC building. One secret ingredient that I've discovered as a Canadian PC builder (that you may not have heard of) to make life so much easier is to use Robertson screws instead of Phillips. OMFG, Robertson screws make everything a breeze! It's the ultimate life-hack for a PC builder! If you don't know what it is, just look up "Robertson Screws".
Hi and Welcome back, my brother upgraded his gpu last year from the rx 570 8GB to the 6750XT 12GB but the CPU was the r5 2600 so I upgraded it to the r5 5600 and the gpu performance went up by almost 50%. nice video
@@blackbirdpctech isn't the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D better? sadly it seems to be out of stock , at least any new ones , all I could find was a 2nd hard one on ebay which I do not want to do.
@@michaelhawkins7389 it's now three generations old ... they only created the 5600X3D and 5700X3D to use up all of the silicon that didn't quite make it to the 5800X3D standard ... once that has gone then I doubt they will make more, since they now have two generations on AM5.
Very nice upgrades. I noticed that there is either a poster or maybe a desktop wall paper of the SR-71A BlackBird. My all time favorite plane. I have a SR-71A BlackBird picture as my desktop wallpaper. So much of the tecgnology and engineering that was needed to make the BlackBirds is now incorporated into newer planes. :) I have a alternate " nick-name " for the SR-71's ; I call it the { DAGGER } since it slices through the air and even has a dagger like shape.
Yes, it's my favorite artwork of the aircraft ... it has been my favorite aircraft for a long time so I decided to name this channel after it. I worked at Lockheed for a long time and I worked closely with the Skunk Works during my time. Recently took my daughter to the Air & Space Museum at Dulles Airport near DC to see it in person. Cool name 😉
There's an easier way to automate startup. Create a copy of you PBO2 shortcut, rightclick it and add a "space" after the string in "Target" and the negative offset for every core. In my case " -30 -30 -30 -30 -30 -30 -30 -30" (without the "" of course). Save and put in your startup folder. Done!
Good video. Perhaps do a follow up video where you swap the video cards to see which is the bigger upgrade, the video card or the cpu at the 3 resolutions: 1080p, 1440p & 4k.
Good idea … I could put the 3060 back in to check my testing strategy. I typically test just one component at a time to isolate the performance change however the reason I tested at 1080p/low settings was to load the cpu and 1440p/high settings to load the gpu. I didn’t test at 4k because these gpu’s struggle at that resolution.
Having had a Ryzen 7 5800X3D for almost two years now, I can safely say that it is DEFINITELY worth it! I have absolutely NO compulsions to upgrade to AM5 and I by the time I really am ready to upgrade, it will most likely be an upgrade to AM6.
These days I spent some time fiddling with my desktop and I discover that my R7 2700X and GTX 1650S can still give me locked 4k30 and locked 1080p60 in CP2077. Provided I can live with low settings. I was thinking about getting a used RX6600 for under 200 euros, but I'm not sure it is worth it quite honestly. I guess I didn't find a game I want to play on my PC that is a problem for me, yet. I also really want the PS5 Pro, so I'll save for that one and we'll see what the future holds! Cheers mate.
better options out there you can usually find a rx 6750 for similar price in europe xfx and usually if your case can fit that monster lol. in uk you can usually find new rx 6800 for like 350 pounds.
@@jamv2122 what do you mean for similar price? I couldn’t find anything on eBay for less than 280 euros. 350 pounds (410 euros) is way over budget for me and I would probably have to buy a new PSU as well. The only thing vaguely reasonable is a used RX6600, maybe the RX6600XT if I get lucky. It ain’t worth it. Unless I find a game I want to play on PC that is not working decently on the GTX 1650S. Cheers mate.
@@DavideDavini then try 6650 or depending on where you are located. also at the top of your budget 200 euro i would assume euro 199.99 6600 fighter power colour topachat is the site. what is your psu ? and do you have cex stores ? its more reliable then ebay. other thing you can look for is a 2060 super used. which is quite energy efficient as a 6600 can be found just as cheap.
Great question and I should have explained this better in the video. The reason I tested at different resolutions and game settings was to make sure I could heavily load either the CPU or GPU. So at 1080p with low settings the CPU was heavily loaded in games whereas at 1440p with medium/high settings the GPU was heavily loaded. That means when you look at the data, 1080p will effectively show the improvement due to the CPU upgrade whereas 1440p will show the improvement due to the GPU upgrade. So the answer is around 50% on average, which is super impressive … and that’s without an undervolt applied.
Going from 1600af to 5700x3d. Rx 470 8g at the moment. lol. Will upgrade the GPU when next gen is all clear. However the Mobo is MSI b450 Tomahawk Max, so only PCIE Gen 3. Should go for a 16 lane card or is 8 lanes enough?
PCIe 4 x8 is enough because it's equivalent to PCIe 3 x16 however I wouldn't buy that way ... I would buy with the intention that you will upgrade your motherboard in the future.
@@blackbirdpctech Thanks for the comment. Since I have a Pcie 3 Mobo, it seems that a x16 card would be good for current Mobo and future Mobo. Is this correct?
How is your performance in most of the games? im running 2600x + rx 580 8gb and im thinking of getting 5700x3d since i only have budged for one component, and planning to upgrade gpu later so im curious how is ur performance.
Hey i bought a prebuilt pc on a am 4 motherboard. It has an amd ryzen 7 5800 and a rtx 3060. I recently bought myself a samsung odyssey g9 ultrawide monitor and noticed my gpu struggles with that big monitor. What upgrades would you recommend?
At the resolution of that monitor (dual QHD), combined with the refresh rate, I would simply recommend buying a 4080 Super or 7900 XTX (I reviewed them a while back). Upgrading will not make a meaningful difference at such high resolutions, but upgrading to a high-end GPU will make a huge difference.
I am planning on staying with AM4 and skipping AM5 for AM6. Currently I have a ryzen 3600 / rtx 3060 12gb / 2x8gb DDR4 / 650w EVGASuperNovaG2. I ordered a 5700x3D and looking into what GPU to go for next (7800XT / 7900 GRE / 4070super). However, I am worried about the 650w PSU as I have seen as split that it should be fine vs to upgrade it. Any tips?
It really depends on the GPU that you end up buying. Use a PSU calculator (the one from BeQuiet is good) to estimate your power needs for each of the three GPU options and your PC configuration. If your total power estimate is 550W or less then you should be fine.
If you look at the 1440p/medium benchmark results you will see the increase in performance due primarily to the GPU upgrade whereas the 1080p/low results will show the improvement due to the CPU ... hopefully that helps.
It's usually a good idea when attempting to be sarcastic to understand the data and how PC's function. At 1080p/low settings the load on the CPU is high (~100% in most games), so the relative performance shown is for the CPU. At 1440p/medium settings you get more of a mix. So yes, if you look at the 1080p/low benchmark data you will see the improvement going from a 3600X to a 5700X3D.
The reason I show multiple resolutions and settings is to allow viewers to isolate the performance change due to the CPU or GPU. So to see the impact of upgrading the CPU, simply look at the 1080p/low data where the CPU is heavily loaded.
i still use the 3600x with an 6800xt on a 32:9 setup = 3600x is a legend, cheap and still powerful
I think the cpu made the biggest difference in improved performance here. The 4060ti isn't actually too much better than the 3060. In a real world situation like this i would say it's only worth the jump in performance if you go for a 4070 or above
The reason I tested at different resolutions and game settings was to make sure I could heavily load the CPU and GPU. So at 1080p with low settings the CPU was heavily loaded in games whereas at 1440p with medium/high settings the GPU was heavily loaded. That means when you look at the data, 1080p will show the improvement due to the CPU whereas 1440p will show the improvement due to the GPU. With that in mind you are correct that the CPU change results in a larger improvement in gaming performance however there is still a large and meaningful improvement due to the 4060Ti ... it is a significant upgrade over the 3060.
@@blackbirdpctech yes you do definitely see a noticeable improvement with the 4060ti. But personally if it was me making the upgrade it just wouldn't be worth it. If it was me I would upgrade to the 5700x3d first, then save up some more and go with a 4070 Super or 7800xt if I wanted to spend less.
This would also allow me to jump from 1080p to 1440p. So for my money I've completely transformed the experience I'm getting, rather than just having a noticeable improvement in fps.
To be fair, the 4060ti made more of a difference in your benchmarks than I originally expected. If people want to make smaller upgrades but more often, then fair enough it's their money. But for my money I would make larger improvements less often
That makes sense … I specifically avoided the 4060Ti 8GB model and went with the 16GB version … the bandwidth is still limited but at least you will have some longevity.
I love using my Head-Light flashlight when working with my computer.
It is amazing ... back in the day I used to use a flashlight with a directional head but it would never be shining light where I needed it ... these head mounted ones are awesome for PC builders ... especially as you get older 😉
Yeah, me too. It's a literal godsend!
@@blackbirdpctech I use a 20x magnification headset that also has a directional light built into it. I bought it for working on watches but it's amazing for PC building.
One secret ingredient that I've discovered as a Canadian PC builder (that you may not have heard of) to make life so much easier is to use Robertson screws instead of Phillips. OMFG, Robertson screws make everything a breeze! It's the ultimate life-hack for a PC builder!
If you don't know what it is, just look up "Robertson Screws".
Hi and Welcome back, my brother upgraded his gpu last year from the rx 570 8GB to the 6750XT 12GB but the CPU was the r5 2600 so I upgraded it to the r5 5600 and the gpu performance went up by almost 50%. nice video
Yes, I think a lot of people don't realize just how much your CPU can hold you back.
@@blackbirdpctech isn't the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D better? sadly it seems to be out of stock , at least any new ones , all I could find was a 2nd hard one on ebay which I do not want to do.
@@michaelhawkins7389 yes it is, it has a higher boost and base clock, but unfortunately AMD does not produce the 5800X3D anymore.
@@blackbirdpctech why did they stop making it? any idea?
@@michaelhawkins7389 it's now three generations old ... they only created the 5600X3D and 5700X3D to use up all of the silicon that didn't quite make it to the 5800X3D standard ... once that has gone then I doubt they will make more, since they now have two generations on AM5.
Very nice upgrades. I noticed that there is either a poster or maybe a desktop wall paper of the SR-71A BlackBird. My all time favorite plane. I have a SR-71A BlackBird picture as my desktop wallpaper. So much of the tecgnology and engineering that was needed to make the BlackBirds is now incorporated into newer planes. :) I have a alternate " nick-name " for the SR-71's ; I call it the { DAGGER } since it slices through the air and even has a dagger like shape.
Yes, it's my favorite artwork of the aircraft ... it has been my favorite aircraft for a long time so I decided to name this channel after it. I worked at Lockheed for a long time and I worked closely with the Skunk Works during my time. Recently took my daughter to the Air & Space Museum at Dulles Airport near DC to see it in person. Cool name 😉
There's an easier way to automate startup. Create a copy of you PBO2 shortcut, rightclick it and add a "space" after the string in "Target" and the negative offset for every core. In my case " -30 -30 -30 -30 -30 -30 -30 -30" (without the "" of course). Save and put in your startup folder. Done!
Nice, appreciate the suggestion!
Awesome video. I loved the “how to undervolt a 5700X3D” section
Thanks ... I thought that would be a cool bonus section to include 😉
Good video. Perhaps do a follow up video where you swap the video cards to see which is the bigger upgrade, the video card or the cpu at the 3 resolutions: 1080p, 1440p & 4k.
Good idea … I could put the 3060 back in to check my testing strategy. I typically test just one component at a time to isolate the performance change however the reason I tested at 1080p/low settings was to load the cpu and 1440p/high settings to load the gpu. I didn’t test at 4k because these gpu’s struggle at that resolution.
Having had a Ryzen 7 5800X3D for almost two years now, I can safely say that it is DEFINITELY worth it! I have absolutely NO compulsions to upgrade to AM5 and I by the time I really am ready to upgrade, it will most likely be an upgrade to AM6.
It’s a great cpu, was a breakthrough technology when first introduced.
What is your next gpu upgrade?
These days I spent some time fiddling with my desktop and I discover that my R7 2700X and GTX 1650S can still give me locked 4k30 and locked 1080p60 in CP2077. Provided I can live with low settings.
I was thinking about getting a used RX6600 for under 200 euros, but I'm not sure it is worth it quite honestly. I guess I didn't find a game I want to play on my PC that is a problem for me, yet. I also really want the PS5 Pro, so I'll save for that one and we'll see what the future holds!
Cheers mate.
The push to upgrade often is really driven by marketing … the smart thing to do is make your own decision based on your own needs, as you’ve done 😉
better options out there you can usually find a rx 6750 for similar price in europe xfx and usually if your case can fit that monster lol. in uk you can usually find new rx 6800 for like 350 pounds.
@@jamv2122 what do you mean for similar price? I couldn’t find anything on eBay for less than 280 euros. 350 pounds (410 euros) is way over budget for me and I would probably have to buy a new PSU as well. The only thing vaguely reasonable is a used RX6600, maybe the RX6600XT if I get lucky. It ain’t worth it. Unless I find a game I want to play on PC that is not working decently on the GTX 1650S.
Cheers mate.
@@blackbirdpctech my budget is basically non existent, I can’t afford to follow the hype. 🤣😂💀
Cheers mate.
@@DavideDavini then try 6650 or depending on where you are located. also at the top of your budget 200 euro i would assume
euro 199.99 6600 fighter power colour topachat is the site. what is your psu ? and do you have cex stores ? its more reliable then ebay. other thing you can look for is a 2060 super used. which is quite energy efficient as a 6600 can be found just as cheap.
How will the gaming performance of the PC change if you replace the Ryzen 5 3600x with the Ryzen 5 5700x3D while the VGA is still RTX 3060 ?
Great question and I should have explained this better in the video. The reason I tested at different resolutions and game settings was to make sure I could heavily load either the CPU or GPU. So at 1080p with low settings the CPU was heavily loaded in games whereas at 1440p with medium/high settings the GPU was heavily loaded. That means when you look at the data, 1080p will effectively show the improvement due to the CPU upgrade whereas 1440p will show the improvement due to the GPU upgrade. So the answer is around 50% on average, which is super impressive … and that’s without an undervolt applied.
@@blackbirdpctech can't wait for a video about it .. thanks
@@dharmawanadinata chill man, your answer is already answered lol
Going from 1600af to 5700x3d. Rx 470 8g at the moment. lol.
Will upgrade the GPU when next gen is all clear.
However the Mobo is MSI b450 Tomahawk Max, so only PCIE Gen 3. Should go for a 16 lane card or is 8 lanes enough?
PCIe 4 x8 is enough because it's equivalent to PCIe 3 x16 however I wouldn't buy that way ... I would buy with the intention that you will upgrade your motherboard in the future.
@@blackbirdpctech Thanks for the comment. Since I have a Pcie 3 Mobo, it seems that a x16 card would be good for current Mobo and future Mobo. Is this correct?
@@Meltyhead yes, a pcie 4 X16 graphics card will be good in newer motherboards
How is your performance in most of the games? im running 2600x + rx 580 8gb and im thinking of getting 5700x3d since i only have budged for one component, and planning to upgrade gpu later so im curious how is ur performance.
Hey i bought a prebuilt pc on a am 4 motherboard. It has an amd ryzen 7 5800 and a rtx 3060. I recently bought myself a samsung odyssey g9 ultrawide monitor and noticed my gpu struggles with that big monitor. What upgrades would you recommend?
Two important questions:
1. Are you using your PC primarily for gaming?
2. What is your budget?
@blackbirdpctech mainly for gaming yes. And flexible up to 1,000
At the resolution of that monitor (dual QHD), combined with the refresh rate, I would simply recommend buying a 4080 Super or 7900 XTX (I reviewed them a while back). Upgrading will not make a meaningful difference at such high resolutions, but upgrading to a high-end GPU will make a huge difference.
@@blackbirdpctech thank you so much !
I recently purchased a Newegg combo with this CPU and a nice MSI MPG B550 mobo, saved about 100$, plus they through in a 1TB NVME SSD for free! 😁
You can get some really good combo deals if you are patient!
I am planning on staying with AM4 and skipping AM5 for AM6. Currently I have a ryzen 3600 / rtx 3060 12gb / 2x8gb DDR4 / 650w EVGASuperNovaG2. I ordered a 5700x3D and looking into what GPU to go for next (7800XT / 7900 GRE / 4070super). However, I am worried about the 650w PSU as I have seen as split that it should be fine vs to upgrade it. Any tips?
It really depends on the GPU that you end up buying. Use a PSU calculator (the one from BeQuiet is good) to estimate your power needs for each of the three GPU options and your PC configuration. If your total power estimate is 550W or less then you should be fine.
You should be fine. I run a 5600X3D and a RX6800 on a 650W with no problem.
I’m conflicted, I have 3060 oc asus and 5700x3D - HELP !
If you look at the 1440p/medium benchmark results you will see the increase in performance due primarily to the GPU upgrade whereas the 1080p/low results will show the improvement due to the CPU ... hopefully that helps.
Bringing the PC to some PC service to perform BIOS update is also an option, but never mind me.
You could do that however if you are upgrading your system, why wouldn't you do it yourself?
I went from a R7 2700 + RTX 3050 to R9 5950X + RTX 4070 Ti Super
That’s a huge upgrade … would be good to see the performance boost for that combo 😉
should of got a 4070 super
Why not a 4090?
Quiero unas así pero que me permitan ver UA-cam sin bloquear lo que está de fondo, no cómo las Viture o XReal que son cómo gafas de sol
I don't really understand the link to this video?
@ while I was watching the video I clicked a short about some glasses 👓 and wanted to comment that short, no wonder why it posted the comment here
@@jeanpilgrim8575 ok, that makes way more sense 😉
What if you have 7900xt will this 5700x3d be fine
It depends somewhat on the resolution and game settings that you play at, it should be fine at higher resolutions in most games.
@@blackbirdpctech 1440p
@@blackbirdpctech or would the 7700x be better granted would need MB,ddr5
If I was you I would simply get the 5800X3D, it’s still a great chip
@@blackbirdpctech 5700x3d or 5800x3d I see the 5800x3d for like $450 5700x3d for $179
Rocket Scientist.... The layman term for an aeronautical engineer. 🤣
Aerospace engineer isn’t as catchy 😉
@@blackbirdpctech It is to someone like me who uses the online moniker of "Avro Arrow". 😁
@@AvroBellow you are part of the secret club 😉
Congratulations, you just made a rtx 3060 vs 4060ti video.
It's usually a good idea when attempting to be sarcastic to understand the data and how PC's function. At 1080p/low settings the load on the CPU is high (~100% in most games), so the relative performance shown is for the CPU. At 1440p/medium settings you get more of a mix. So yes, if you look at the 1080p/low benchmark data you will see the improvement going from a 3600X to a 5700X3D.
4060ti? never use rx6800 ist better and cheaper :)
That may be true but as I explained in the video, the owner of the PC wanted to stick with Nvidia and get access to the latest features they offer.
Bro gift a graphics card to me
@@riasatzaman1 you don't deserve it
@@Judge_Jej how can i deserve it
@@riasatzaman1working your ass off and buy your own 🤷🏻
upgraded the GPU to run benchmarks defeats the whole purpose of the test.... 75% or better is probably coming from the 4060ti alone not the cpu
The reason I show multiple resolutions and settings is to allow viewers to isolate the performance change due to the CPU or GPU. So to see the impact of upgrading the CPU, simply look at the 1080p/low data where the CPU is heavily loaded.