DCS VR - RIFT S vs QUEST 2!
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Lets dive once again into the mystical world of DCS, this time, lets explore is the Quest 2 is a viable option, and see how it holds its self against the Rift S! At $299, the Quest 2 is very appealing, but is it good enough?
00:00 Greetings!
02:30 Clarity
04:10 Image Quality
05:50 Comfort
07:35 Practicality
10:25 Performance
12:00 Rift S Ground
14:00 Rift S Super Carrier
15:15 Quest 2 Native Ground
17:20 Quest 2 Native Super Carrier
18:50 Quest 2 SS Max Ground
20:55 Quest 2 SS Max Super Carrier
23:20 Getting a New GPU
24:57 Quest 2 SS Max Super Carrier New GPU!
Current Specs:
R9 3900X
32GB RAM @ 3200Mhz
GTX 1080......RTX 3090
3 Monitor set-up @1440p
Oculus Rift-S + Quest 2
Track-IR 5 + PRO Clip
T16000M Hotas + Rudders
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I love you all! Thank you for the continuous support! - Ігри
I’m sorry to hear that man, I hope you are all doing well.
Thank you c: The world keeps spinning!
Fantastic comparison. I've been waiting a long time for someone to do this.
Glad you liked it!
OMG you back :D Im so sorry for your family member and I wish you all the best...
Thank you so much!
i read that wrong and i thought it said "im so happy for your family member"
I am so sorry for your loss and that you are back. Great video as always
Thanks Jamezski!
3.40 in the morning, picks up a 3090 in "the corner store", are you kidding me? 😂
:P
@@XCHECK I'll be honest, I'm a little jealous 😂
But then again, losing a family member is never pleasant, my condolences 😉
Everyone else: RTX 3090 sold out everywhere.
This guy: Let me run to the cornerstore at 3am in the morning and buy a better graphic card for you guys so I can continue this review. Buys a RTX3090.
@@TrainerAQ Obviously he had that stuff pre-ordered last year 😂
I thought it a great touch to the vidy! Nice chance to see the butterfly too ; )
Sorry to hear about your loss mate. Thanks for the video.
My condolences on your loss. Glad your back at it and God speed...to us all : )
so happy to have you back...and so sorry for your loss.
Thanks Mark! Happy to be back c:
Welcome back x check! Hope with time it will heal those difficult feelings! Thanks for this video!
I hope so too! Thank you so much.
Thanks for putting this together. I think a lot of current Rift S owners are contemplating this upgrade decision.
Sorry to hear of your loss. I hope the best for you and your family in these times.
Thank you! Appreciate it c:
sorry for your loss brother, enjoying the video
Glad to see you back man. Hope you've been well!
Hey, thanks!
Glad to see you back man!
Thank you Jose!
I'm really sorry for your loss, stay strong king!
OMG!. The ending was the killer.
Sorry for your loss, good to hear from you.
Thank you! c:
Sorry for your loss, man. Glad to see you back, we've missed you.
EDIT: Got to the end of the video and I lost it 🤣🤣
lol! Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the ending lol
I'm so sorry for your loss. Hope you and your family are well.
I am sorry for your family member. Nice to have you back
I appreciate that Hugo c:
Its crazy, from the reviews and just the look of the stock Quest 2 strap. I was expecting it to be very bad, but for me it doesn't even bother me and fits pretty well. Had no real issues with it besides if you rilt your head to one side 90% and the heavy front starts resting on your nose, or the fact that it just doesn't "feel" as secure so I am a bit more careful to not swing my face around real fast to look around. But generally the Quest 2 strap has been better than expected for me, good fit and doesn't rest on my ears like other reviewers have said it does.
3090! Lets go! Officially now a subscriber :)
I missed you man, Im so sorry for your loss.
That ending though! Hahaha! This video was GREAT!
:D
Sending best wishes, keep up the good work.
I AM SORRY FOR YOUR FAMILY I LOST MY GRANDMOTHER 2 YEARS AGO AND I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. REAST IN PEACE
Thanks man! Life keeps going!
@@XCHECK life do be like dat sometimes but you have to be strong and fly your planes, do it for those who can't.
Unfortunately i know that feel too... My grandpa died 2 years ago after being hit by truck on damn... parking lot! It's even more sad if you know that he won fight vs cancer.
I am really sad to hear that and may the dead rest in peace .Also, hope you've been well!
Thanks! c:
welcome back and sorry for your loss
Thanks man!
So sorry for your loss!
Firstly my condolences to you and your family, I am so sorry. I really enjoyed this video and in many ways,.this is the most important point you can make with modern hardware not being utilised properly in our sims. Take care!
I'm late but sorry to hear that man.
Great video by the way!
I personally bought the Rift S because I wanted PC power only
I wasted my time getting the Quest 2. I sent it back and got a refund and bought the Rift S yesterday.
@@colebiggs7296 why was it a waste in your opinion?
@@Gamen4Bros it had blurry lenses. It was faulty. It gave me headaches and the microphone didn't work. Felt like I received an unfinished product. It was terrible.
@@colebiggs7296 I just got my quest 2 and I really like it. Works like a dream and the higher ress definitely helps. Using it with my headset for proper audio and mic
I have RTX2080 Super, and 9900ks at 5GHz, our performance match basically... Same 22 - 23 FPS in most normal scenarios... Thanks for the video!
Thanks for sharing, it seems like we are pushing DCS limits here lol
Hi I’m so so sorry to hear about your loss in the family I my self lost my Nan through the coronavirus I was very close to her 😥 but as they say you have to keep going forward in life other wise if we go backwards we trip up !!! but all the time we think of them they say they are still with us in our minds & thoughts 💭 in life. If that makes sense . It’s so nice to see you back 👍⭐️ take care & (STAY SAFE)
Thanks for the warm words, sorry to hear about your loss. Indeed, there is nowhere else to go but forwards! Godspeed.
Condolences man. Covid19 really sucks. You take care of yourself!
Thanks Marc! You do too c:
@@XCHECK Dodged the bullet for now - I just need to hold out until the vaccine trickles down. I'm only medium risk but that's not a risk I want to take. This damn disease can leave the survivors with lasting damage and my lungs are already scarred from playing with ... let's just say chemicals that I shouldn't have been experimenting with as a teenager!
These last few years have been one hell of a ride. Let's hope things start to settle down a bit!
Hope youre doing well pal sorry to hear about what happend
Thanks man! Doing better each day!
Just a quick note - for the ground you choose an unfortunately unlucky spot, the Senaki-Kolkhi with the F/A-18C. There is something really botched there, it's either the machines on the ground or something in the hangar that is dropping frames really really hard. Usually game works better than that, haven't tested after the 2.7 update yet. I talked about it when I did the DCS in VR on a 3080 vid. Batumi doesn't have this kind of performance problems for example. As for supercarrier - same thing: remove all the airplanes from the deck, and you'll suddenly hit 60fps. I suspect the static F18 isn't optimised well. As for VRAM - when I had 1080Ti, it seemed to allocate around 8 to 9 GB of VRAM out of 11GB available.
Got a quest 2 this weekend. The comfort level is likely its worst feature, the default strap collects all the weight on the back of my head exactly where my spine and skull joins and its incredibly painful after 30 minutes. Thankfully I ordered the 'elite' strap and switched to it after the first day and its a lot better, but its still not what I would call comfortable, I still would prefer wearing an old pot style helmet (and I hated those) over time.
As far as performance goes, despite the mobile nature of it and compression, its a fantastic beginner vr headset. For your money I am hard pressed to see a better set to start VR with, even with the 'elite' strap tax. The inside out tracking also works perfectly, no base stations required which is also fantastic for a beginner setup.
The link cable was sold out and I'm waiting on a proper usb 3.1 C cable, so ive been playing wireless and it's doable but dont move your head too fast. I learned what synthesized frames were pretty damn fast. I'm also playing on a 1060 3gb card... its still playable but I suspect people with less resistance to motion sickness shouldn't apply I guess. I got a Radeon 6800xt in shipment together with the link cable coming in eta 2 weeks so I'm looking forward to see the difference.
lol that end 👌
:D
you should have compared it with the 72hz and 80hz options also on the Q2
Here i am still on the original Rift waiting for a Rift 2 that will never come lol
Will probably upgrade when the Index 2 come out or something like that i guess.
Glad to see that VR keeps getting better and hoping mass adoption is just around the corner too!
Great ending to the video. Question, do you prefer to play DCS in RV or on your monitor? And, if on VR, which do you use?
Me personally, VR is the option, here’s what you do. Get the latest gen motherboard and processor which is 13900k and get a 3090ti graphics card or a 4090 Graphics card and get the HP REVERB, and you have the best experience in vr
Thanks for your great video. How did you manage to record such a stable VR video without shaking at all?
Great video. Just a note, the Carrier is the most GPU intensive item on the DCS list. It tends to lag even with my HP Reverb G2 and a RTX 3070. The Carrier could probably be optimized better. I just bought the Oculus Quest 2 and I was very happy to hear that it supports DCS. Further, if it supports DCS with relative ease, I can't wait to see how Arizona Sunshine looks! 👍👍
How is the quest 2 compared to reverb g2 ? I got 1080ti and i77700K with 16gb of rams will I be able to handle reverb g2 resolution ?
sorry to hear about your family member man, it'll get better
Thanks, hope it does!
Thank you for the review. Sorry for your loss.
EDIT: seems to me the bug" regarding the usb cables on teh PC based rifts, is 100% software based as Oculus/Facebook is now blacklisting devices because they don't match updated USB standards. My setup that previously worked for nearly 2 years got blacklisted in august and since then Ive had to buy a 130$ USB card with 4 separate 5GB/channel for my 4 lighthouse rift CV1 setup. i know...old, but the OG is awesome and the rift s is not enough of an upgrade to upgrade. but...like i said, usb worked FINE till august update which blacklisted my tow chip-sets on the USB card i bought that oculus suggested, and my motherboard USB. This was a CHOICE by facebook.
Lmao great video man!!
My quest 2 is amazing, sometimes glitchy and head strap is bad and so is the foam head support but that barely scratch’s at the experience and wireless VR is amazing and “for me” wireless is easy and stable using virtual desktop and STILL faster then oculuses new feature of wireless playing
Just watched the end... ROFLMAO!!!
Sorry about your loss. My mother past away from coronavirus.
Ok you got my sub. Very funny ending ahahah
Thanks! And welcome aboard c:
Nice! Comparison with V23 update in Quest 2? Thanks!
There is an after market halo strap for quest 2 for sale on Ebay.
VR Cauldron is going to test it soon.
@@dtz1000 great would love to see how it looks and works .
on that x570, you can probably easily OC that ram. you can try the auto setting, but probably best to use Ryzen DRAM calculator and Thaiphoon. I have an x470 and was able to get to 32gb @ 3333mhz and tight cl16 timings. It is cl 18 3600mhz ram, but the x470 limits me with my 2700x. Once I upgrade, the ram should perform at 3600 cl17...maybe I can squeeze cl16 into it...so you should have some room for improvement there...and Ryzen likes fast RAM.
great video, thank you so much for sharing! I have almost the exact setup, a R9 3900X, 64 Go ram at 3200mhz and a GTX 1080. I am really surprised by the ending with that RTX 3090 with 22fps on super carrier front view... Would be glad to hear more about your experience with that video card, isn't there any improvement on the performance on DCS VR?
Glad I could help! I am making a video comparing the 1080 against the 3090, not much of a difference in performance sadly.
@@XCHECK wow that’s amazing. I guess ED would need to optimize DCS for VR and new graphic cards!
@@XCHECK I found that video of a guy testing DCS on an RTX 3090. He says that there is a huge difference compared to his old 2080Ti... ua-cam.com/video/_SeM0wVRo8g/v-deo.html
Do you notice the compression when looking at distant details on the quest 2? the quality could be so much better still imo
Yup, but still find it very manageable, the upgrade in clarity is worth it in my opinion :P
Its a feature ™. I struggled to understand why in the beginning, but thanks to the compression artifacts plane pixels in the far distance gets distorted and actually appears bigger so its actually easier to spot them.
hello congratulations for the video. but how is this viewer graphically? better than vr for ps4?
I had the Rift S but returned it due to low resolution. I hope the Quest 2 is better.
Well, DCS need serious muti core CPU optimization, which should arrive in second half 2021 with the Vulkan API update.
Ngl I thought you were those text-to-speech robot at the very beginning.
:D
Great video . Im interested in VR . But its very clear DCS-2.5 is not optimised .
The ending is nail in coffin . Crazy result .
DCS sort your it out .
I would be interested in your setting with in DCS.
Another DCS VR video should be coming soon c:
just to let you guys know the ToS says you agree to waive your right to join a class action suit against them, opting to sue them directly if the need to ever comes up. You also agree to be tracked when you're surfing elsewhere, not even on Facebook or in the headset. They track your entire life...not just Facebook related. You also agree to be recorded...both video and audio...and that even though it's for community moderation, you agree to let them use that footage in commercials, and any art you produce can also be used...without compensation back to you.
And not only is it recording your voice and gameplay...the cameras are recording everything they see as well, including your room, and any 'adult' activities you may enjoy in VR. Zuckerberg's going to have quite the dick pic collection. :p
Yes...the Quest 2 is cheap...but it's being subsidized by your privacy.
That's pretty creepy lmao
Same thing with phones....... yet we all have one still....
You mentioned getting a higher performance is related to both CPU and GPU in the system which was said correctly But at the end you just made an upgrade on your GPU from a 1080 to 3090 without touching your CPU. This is why you are not getting the improvement you expected. I wish you could have an Intel i9 overclocked and rerun the same test for yourself. Anyway, I see some people here are thinking HP Reverb G2 will make a different outcome without understanding that a PC based VR still fully depends on the PC processing power and a headset acts only similar to a monitor!
Did the fps change when u used the Rift S instead of the Quest 2?
Just got the Q2, had rift S before and could almost always get 80 fps stable even with most of the settings on high, but now with the Q2 with everything on medium I can only hit 42 ish, idk if its worth the display clarity tbh.
im guessing its the compression overhead
So I guess its safe to say.. No "Happy endings" here :-)
D:
Wait for the reverb g2, the rift s is being discontinued i think
To give you guys a reference on my rating...
*Image and clarity rating of 10 = similar to using a 24" 1080p monitor at normal use distance (more than 2 feet away).
*Sweet spot rating of 10 = The whole lens is a sweet spot.
*Field of view of 10 means you can barely see the edges or borders of the image both vertically and horizontally.
I had the original CV1 then the Rift S. I also currently have the G2 but not had a chance to use it on DCS. Long story. The CV1 Clarity was sh!t (4 out of 10). Rift S Clarity also sh!t (5 out of 10). The Rift S was slightly better than the CV1 and I mean slightly. The main issue is the resolution. It was just not high enough for both the CV1 and Rift S. So far with a couple of hours of use, the G2 is much better compared to CV1 and Rift S. I will be buying the Oculus Quest 2 soon and I will update this post when I get it.
For me G2 is the minimum acceptable level of both clarity and image quality. My initial G2 ratings... The sweet spot is ok not great (6.5 out of 10). The field of view is also ok nothing great (6 out of 10). Overall image quality and clarity for the G2 to me (8.5 out 10). I will update once I get more use.
Keep in mind there are a lot more variables that go into it. Like comfort, sound, mic etc... I'm just focusing on image clarity from a lay person point of view (meaning an average user).
Thanks for sharing!
Any updates? I'm trying to make a decision between g2 and quest2 at the moment :)
@@orkutozdemirci8767 Sorry I completely forgot about this post. I did get the Quest 2.
My take on it is that picture clarity is good. Assuming you can crank it up to it's maximum resolution. Although not as good as the G2 still. The G2 has better colors and clarity. I have heard of people saying they do not see screen door on the Quest 2... well I do.
The Quest 2 is a front heavy VR. Even with the $50 elite strap I find the G2 is significantly more comfortable still.
The biggest plus on the Quest 2 is that it is a standalone VR and it can also run some PC VR games wirelessly through Virtual Desktop app (this is a BIG plus).
Using the link cable (I'm using the official fiber optic Oculus cable) is also a plus because it's not as cumbersome as the cable on the G2.
The G2 is great for mostly Simulator use (seated use). If you play mainly simulators (racing and Flight) get the G2 and pair it with RTX 3080 minimum for a good experience... I recommend RTX 3090 if you can afford it. It really needs a next generation card (RTX 4000 series?). I'm serious about this. I have seen You Tube videos showing that even the RTX 3090 is not good enough yet for flight sims like MS FS2020 in VR.
Also the G2 has really good head phone speakers. The quest 2... blah it has sound LOL.
The Quest 2 has a much better controller and I like holding it better compared to the G2. The controller on the G2 is huge (the rings). I don't like it. And I think the tracking on the Quest 2 is much better. Also the G2 controllers goes through battery like crazy. It's not even close to a contest when it comes to battery life on the controllers. Quest 2 wins here by a mile.
Both headset requires a very powerful graphics card to run at their best resolution.
Over all I prefer the Quest 2 for the flexibility with an ok display. And the entry price is much better. And playing wirelessly with Virtual Desktop is nice.
I hope this helps.
@@emvill4520 Thank you so much for clarifying everything in detail.
How do you zoom in view with VR? what is that under on the controls?
Wow a ASW & retro projection review .....
Seriously, it control+Numpad1 holy shit ....
is there one of these video but with a index
I also lost my uncle 2 months ago... Know how you feel Buddy🥺
Have you tried turning off vertical sync?
It most definitely is off!
Thanks for the comparison! Could you do a comparison with the Reverb G2 please?
Sure thing! As soon as it arrives tho -.-
How do you change your voice so much from phone to pc?
My Condolences 💐.
Did u have Version 23 for Oculus 2? they upgraded a lot for oculus link wise and grpahics
Yes he stated that at 3:34
what cable I need to use it with PC/DCS? I have good PC but no USB type C output
as long as you have a USB 3.0 or 3.1 you should be fine. USB 2.0 is technically compatible, but it looks terrible. You just need a compatible USB C to A cable then.
Just built my new rig, finally and ordered the Rift S... Will performance be okay with 3070 and 5600x?
I have the same setup how is it working for you??
@@davidavery6215 Working absolutely fine even in 2.7! No issues, I recommend getting Oculus tray tool for extra tuning also!
@@NorthernGrim thanks a lot I was worried about the vr capabilities with the 5600x so good to hear
Late to the party, sorry to hear about your family member. Best wishes....
Do you need to be hooked up to a PC for this? 🤔
It doesn't go above 40 or 45 because of ASW2.0, you should check what it is, a 3090 won't make you magically go to 90 fps
So the new software update is for pcvr not for the standalone headset itself???
Both really! But indeed this was a super anticipated update for PCVR!
WOW, some great headsets. is either one of them fully wireless? The reverb has big bulky cable...immersion killer.
Get a ceiling pully system, works great
For flight simulators I don't mind the cable :D
@@XCHECK as far as clarity of instrumentation and being able to read the dials, is an HP G2 better than either of these?
@@harpoon_bakery162 Yes! Very much!
@@XCHECK AH, OK, so I made the right decision then on purchasing the G2? I was very worried.
Strangely enough I have more FPS on my Asus RTX 2070 (CPU: i7-8700), gpu-tweak show 45-55 FPS in my F-16C, same in F/A-18. My graphics parameters for Quest 2 are: 90hz, 1.7 rendering resolution (5408 x 2736), in debug tool I have 500Mbps encoding bitrate and 3664 encoding width. Also I have 32 Gb of RAM and M2 SSD drives (samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB). Nothing is overclocked, so there's probably something wrong with your system. DCS settings are High textures, no MSAA, highest water quality, max visible distance, no SS/PD either. Also tested supercarrier - Well, slightly lower FPS (still 55 max, 35-40 average)
AMD that's whats wrong! 😀
I do really think DCS is not a big fan of AMD, but maybe the 5900X can make all the difference in the world.
@@XCHECK Hopefully. But we should keep in mind that DCS has problem with any CPU anyway, as it is still mostly single-threaded according to ED. Though I remember few years ago they had this talk about upgrading engine to multi-threading support, but dunno if they implemented that.
Is the culus rift s better for pcvr?
Or the oculus quest 2 is better for pcvr?
that would interest me too
R.I.P
The GPU is not the bottleneck. It's usually the Processor.
i need some help. I want to buy one of these headsets but im not sure wich one. I only want to play pc vr and my pc can probably run both devices. i have a gtx 1070 and a i7 8700 and i know for sure that i can run the rift s. But wich one should i pick ?
Rift is lower resolution so it will be easier for your relatively old 1070
but why still 22fps on the cv? lol
Condolences
Turn your GTX 1080 into an RTX with a $30 Kraken G12 CPAIO H20 Cooler Mount for GPU!
Thank for saving me 1000 usd😂
More important is a beefy computer!
Hmm, i don't understand why you're not using the Quest 2 to it's full capabilities in this comparison. The Rift S can't do it, but on the Q2 you can go down to 72Hz and enjoy a performance advantage. You will need only 37fps for syncing instead of the full 40fps - granted, it's not that much, but it can give you some latency and resolution back.
Does the hand tracking work in DCS?
No sir!
Darn. That would have been really cool. Hopefully support will come soon
HI . can you show me your best setting for quest 2 in dcs? I have quest 2 but I can't read most of text in cockpit. plesse help me and show me best setting for quest 2. my laptop is ge 76 msi: i9 10980 hk 64 gb ram and 16 gb gpu rtx 3080
Lol. No lies! I hit the auto engine start and then go cook dinner!
sorry to hear about those 22fps damn
lol!
how the hell RTX 3090 gave 22 hz????
Was your graphics card limited by the power supply? I know that thing sucks a lot of juice
It really shouldn't, have the recommended juice.
Lol what are you talking about? He's got a 1080, not a 3080. The 1080 is one of the most efficient GPUs for its class at 180-200W. AMD's counterpart, the Vega 64 was the power hog of that generation.
@@medienprojekt5214 if you look at 24:04 you see he has a 3080 and he puts it on at the end of the video and gets terrible frames.
@@XCHECK if you don't mind me asking, how many watts is your power supply rated to?
@@braydenvernon9649 Actually it is a 3090 :P, and not a problem! Got 850, it is avtually the recommended for 3090s
I am sorry to hear of your loss. That is all that can be said about that. Anyone who has a loss in their family for disease knows how it feels.
Given that you have a 3900x and now a RTX 3090 GPU, it comes down to efficiency of the convoluted sim that is known to be a bit of a mess.
CPU use was mid teens, GPU use was a high thirties.
Two things to look at.
What was the single core CPU use at that point? I will assume that one or two cores was pinned to 100% at 4350Mhz and the rest were mostly idle, so I guess a 5000 series would technically do a bit better. If you can get a utility to lock 6 cores of your system off it may boost higher and get raw speed, because the engine isn't going to do any paralized tasks to the level the CPU is capable of. Does they Threadripper game mode tool work on Zen2/3 desktop CPUs? It basically turns off a CCX unit to allow better boosts.
The graphics card wasn't even trying.
The only thing left is software inefficiencies in the engine. We can't do anything about that except wait.
Keep in mind that even a small change may allow you to lock at full refresh instead of 1/2, or 1/4. If you have your headset set for 90/45/22, you might want to set it to 80/40/20 if you can maintain the 40 most of the time, but not the 45. If you fall under by just 1 fps it has to go down the whole step.
Try adjusting the CPU cores access (or run out and get a 5600x, 5800x, 5900x) if you can/dare to.
Try adjusting the sync rate for the HMD.
Thanks Mike! I will definitely test with lower frequencies, see if I can manage higher sustained framerates. And will also look into adjusting the CPU core access.
Fingers crossed!
@@XCHECK You are welcome!
The 3900x has the following clock speeds: 3.8 base / 4.6 boost. So if you have sufficient cooling you should be able to get it to boost to 4.6Ghz, especially if you are only working 2-4 cores. Maybe a bit higher.
Look up PBO tuning and manual overclocking your CPU. Do not try for an-all core over clock. That is just silly, you are just spending your power/thermal budget on cores you don't need. Your aim is to hit a sustained 4.6+ with up to 4 cores in heavy use, then you can let it down clock at 5-6, 7-8, then 9-10, 11-12 cores in use. I believe this is possible in BIOS.
You can set max multiplier per core.
I just got my first Ryzen so I'm not well versed yet. My brand new 5600x boosts to 4650 on its own. But if all 6 cores are working hard it will drop to 4350 sustained. It only does that under stress test benchmarks though. I haven't played with manually tuning it yet.